ok i have to ask this

[tsparisangelline]

what is the attraction of men that claim to be tslovers and "str8"

to transwomen with stick bodies muscular limbs and abdomens and masculine faces

i thought they wanted a woman with a penis not a man with implants and long hair

[NYBURBS]

I don't think you'll find a satisfactory answer to that question here; tastes are quite varied on this site. The whole muscular/square jaw thing doesn't do it for me, but I figure to each his own.

Now, I'm gonna sit back and watch the inevitable "You're a fag because ______, but I'm straight because _______" fight that comes with these questions.

[CORVETTEDUDE]

Mss Hollywood Barbdie, I prefer a lady that has fully transitioned or working toward that goal. Are you still swinging? And, if so, do you plan to stay that way or complete the trip?

[scubaman]

This smiley needs to be added for threads like this

[BellaBellucci]

This smiley needs to be added for threads like this

The old HA is alive and well. Just in a slightly different form. :geek:

~BB~

[TsVanessa69]

Mss Hollywood Barbdie, I prefer a lady that has fully transitioned or working toward that goal. Are you still swinging? And, if so, do you plan to stay that way or complete the trip?
This is 2010 and its sad to see blantant ignorance.
Transitioning is by each girls choice and how she lives her life.
I am fully transitioned and 8 functional inches.
I dont think transition is about what between your legs, but if you are comfortable in the skin your in.
However its just your preference.
Guys always have preferences, but funny they want us to meet there preference, YET they can never meet ours!

[giovanni_hotel]

what is the attraction of men that claim to be tslovers and "str8"

to transwomen with stick bodies muscular limbs and abdomens and masculine faces

i thought they wanted a woman with a penis not a man with implants and long hair

I've only seen glimpses, but very few tgirls have an ultra fem body like yours, that said, every girl's body type is different.

I assume you're referring to tslovers like myself who find a girl like Gloria hott!!??
Well, since I have a jonez for fitness/FBB chicks ( some not all), there are just certain girls who can pull off an extremely athletic, muscled look.
In part I think it's the androgyny that guys like myself find alluring in nearly all transgendered women, and also because I have an appreciation for athletic females.

But I agree it's not a good look for all girls, just a few.

BTW, your body is ridiculous, Barbie. IMO you shouldn't hold it against other girls who simply aren't built like you.:Bowdown:

[tsparisangelline]

Mss Hollywood Barbdie, I prefer a lady that has fully transitioned or working toward that goal. Are you still swinging? And, if so, do you plan to stay that way or complete the trip?



hmmm would i want a vagina that cannot self lube?

would i want to pay a ton of money for something and i still cant have kids?

hmmm

that is a very OBVIOUS answer dear

[tsparisangelline]

This is 2010 and its sad to see blantant ignorance.
Transitioning is by each girls choice and how she lives her life.
I am fully transitioned and 8 functional inches.
I dont think transition is about what between your legs, but if you are comfortable in the skin your in.
However its just your preference.
Guys always have preferences, but funny they want us to meet there preference, YET they can never meet ours!

vanessa why even look for a tgirl if they dont like the SHEMEAT we are packing

lol these men betray themselves

[tsparisangelline]

I've only seen glimpses, but very few tgirls have an ultra fem body like yours, that said, every girl's body type is different.

I assume you're referring to tslovers like myself who find a girl like Gloria hott!!??
Well, since I have a jonez for fitness/FBB chicks ( some not all), there are just certain girls who can pull off an extremely athletic, muscled look.
In part I think it's the androgyny that guys like myself find alluring in nearly all transgendered women, and also because I have an appreciation for athletic females.

But I agree it's not a good look for all girls, just a few.

BTW, your body is ridiculous, Barbie. IMO you shouldn't hold it against other girls who simply aren't built like you.:Bowdown:

my body is not that amazing im 5 10 lol

i mean the MASCULINE ones

not a athletic chick

[bte]

I like tgirls with feminine features. I don't care if they are post or pre-op. Although I do not like tgirls with muscular bodies with 6 packs and big dicks. Not my kind of thing. Gimme a tgirl with a feminine body with a small to medium dick any day.

[CORVETTEDUDE]

You asked the question and I gave you my answer. neither you, TSVanessa, nor anyone else has to like it.

Vanessa, with all due respect, if I don't meet your standards, you wouldn't want me. Likewise, if you don't meet mine, I wouldn't want you. Double standard...I don't think so.

[rameses2]

my body is not that amazing im 5 10 lol

i mean the MASCULINE ones

not a athletic chickYou don't think your body is great, fine but I know a lot of men, myself included, think you've got a fan-frickin'-tastic bod! As to the masculine transwomen, to each his own, n'est-ce pas? It all depends on what you've got between your ears: what you find attractive in your mind.

[alyssats]

honestly when i first join transsexual forums this question also arise in my mind. because me and my TS friends always want to be soft and feminine to the eyes of people yet ive noticed most TS admirers/chasers like also TS girls on the hard side.

i remember before a client of mine wants me to refer to him a TS who is very functional and prefer not into hormones. so we dont have a choice so i refer him to a gay guy friend of mine. we just put wig and make up on my gay guy friend and the client really likes him a lot. the client suck his dick so good and stick the gay guys cock in his ass lol

believe me even dennis rodmans dick will be very popular in this forum as long as you put wig on him and tons of make up lol ;)

i think it all boils down to preferences

[serial138]

This is 2010 and its sad to see blantant ignorance.
Transitioning is by each girls choice and how she lives her life.
I am fully transitioned and 8 functional inches.
I dont think transition is about what between your legs, but if you are comfortable in the skin your in.
However its just your preference.
Guys always have preferences, but funny they want us to meet there preference, YET they can never meet ours!



TS women are just like GG women, they have varying tastes and standards. It is hard to meet your preferences because you are all at heart female (at least I believe so) and like most women, are hard for men to figure out.



i remember before a client of mine wants me to refer to him a TS who is very functional and prefer not into hormones. so we dont have a choice so i refer him to a gay guy friend of mine. we just put wig and make up on my gay guy friend and the client really likes him a lot. the client suck his dick so good and stick the gay guys cock in his ass lol


This is not representative of most guys on this board i would think. Most of us do indeed like cock and to bottom, but we want a woman to do it. in all her lovely forms. The swagger, the emotion, the touch and taste of a woman. Otherwise we would simply be gay and go with a bunch of hard bodied men. I personally have tried this, and its not my thing. I want soft and sensual, i want curves, long hair and sexy nails. I want the whole package.

[yodajazz]

what is the attraction of men that claim to be tslovers and "str8"

to transwomen with stick bodies muscular limbs and abdomens and masculine faces

i thought they wanted a woman with a penis not a man with implants and long hair
The answer is simple. "Straight", or str8, is a pass/fail test, concept. you dont need 100% to pass the test. Some men just like skinny women. Or maybe she had a nice smile, or a way of tilting her head. I tend to like woman with more substance, so their tastes means there is more left for me. So its all good.

[alpha2117]

what is the attraction of men that claim to be tslovers and "str8"

to transwomen with stick bodies muscular limbs and abdomens and masculine faces

i thought they wanted a woman with a penis not a man with implants and long hair


I dont think it is so much with TS's but with culture in general. Back in the 50's Mailyn Monroe and Jayn Mansfield were sex symbols now they would be labeled fat. Culturally slim seems to be in and slim tends to mean less fat on faces so harder faces also you look at singers and actresses and they are pretty buff.

[pnwguy24]

Well seeing as I dated one of the curvier and passable girls around (TS Morgan), id say that I am hardly the type to like stick bodies and masculine faces.

That being said, sexually I consider myself bi I guess, although I have no attraction towards men and I do not bottom for anyone tgirl or otherwise. That being said, I am very attracted to trans girls and have been since about age 15.

I don't think anyone can be put into a box sexually and it is hardly as simple as being straight, gay, bi etc.. People are diverse and as such what we like and enjoy is diverse as well.

[phobun]

The answer is simple. "Straight", or str8, is a pass/fail test, concept. you dont need 100% to pass the test. Some men just like skinny women. Or maybe she had a nice smile, or a way of tilting her head. I tend to like woman with more substance, so their tastes means there is more left for me. So its all good.


Or maybe she has all these things, in addition to a functional cock, male levels of testosterone but at least an attempt at depilation and some make-up. Like you said, "you don't need 100% to pass the test." Just like in schools nowadays, so long as a kid wants to pass the test, then he's going to pass the test and be honored in his own way, regardless of the score. And likewise, every girl is pretty and a prom queen, and every queen is pretty and a girl.

Effectively, there is no "straight", no "pass", no "gay" and no "fail". There are no standards or criteria to distinguish one person from another. So it's all good.

[phobun]

honestly when i first join transsexual forums this question also arise in my mind. because me and my TS friends always want to be soft and feminine to the eyes of people yet ive noticed most TS admirers/chasers like also TS girls on the hard side.

i remember before a client of mine wants me to refer to him a TS who is very functional and prefer not into hormones. so we dont have a choice so i refer him to a gay guy friend of mine. we just put wig and make up on my gay guy friend and the client really likes him a lot. the client suck his dick so good and stick the gay guys cock in his ass lol

believe me even dennis rodmans dick will be very popular in this forum as long as you put wig on him and tons of make up lol ;)

i think it all boils down to preferences


This gets to the heart of the matter. Alyssa is a smart girl, very observant and 100% correct on all her points. She's also very diplomatic in her word choice at the end: "preferences". Yes, preferences. A perfect word to sum up two aspects that used to be considered independent and discrete: gender and sexual orientation. In a post-modern world where everyone is straight and everyone in a skirt is female, "preferences" is how we must parse the nuances that identify but don't distinguish anyone.

[slinky]

I like tgirls with feminine features. I don't care if they are post or pre-op. Although I do not like tgirls with muscular bodies with 6 packs and big dicks. Not my kind of thing. Gimme a tgirl with a feminine body with a small to medium dick any day.


How about genetic girls with muscular bodies with 6 packs and big clits?
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=29522

[slinky]

This is not representative of most guys on this board i would think. Most of us do indeed like cock and to bottom, but we want a woman to do it. in all her lovely forms. The swagger, the emotion, the touch and taste of a woman. Otherwise we would simply be gay and go with a bunch of hard bodied men. I personally have tried this, and its not my thing. I want soft and sensual, i want curves, long hair and sexy nails. I want the whole package.

Which explains the popularity of the "Club Kid" and Pretty Boy" threads?

[slinky]

i remember before a client of mine wants me to refer to him a TS who is very functional and prefer not into hormones. so we dont have a choice so i refer him to a gay guy friend of mine. we just put wig and make up on my gay guy friend and the client really likes him a lot. the client suck his dick so good and stick the gay guys cock in his ass lol

And a decent amount of TS working girls only top for money - but all their clients think they are tops, because to them they are.

But also, what did your friend look like? Was he small framed, smooth, non-muscular, etc.? (of course I'm making a big assumption he is Asian - I apologize if this is incorrect). I know I've seen an awful lot of Asian CD/TV's who were more passable than a lot of other White, Black or Hispanic transitioning girls (and heard an awful lot of complaints from them about how it was so unfair that Asians had "such an advantage").

[slinky]

i thought they wanted a woman with a penis not a man with implants and long hair

I have often said guys who see TS's are looking for a "chick with a dick" but end up getting "a man with tits". But I'm not talking about, on the outside: I'm talking about pumped out, rib cracked, brow lowered, implanted, hormone injected ..... I could go on. There are an awful lot of TS who look more feminine on the outside, but are even more masculine in their behaviour (note I didn't say "it doesn't matter", or "all TS are still men on the inside" or anything else like that which people are going to ascribe to my statements). This isn't "across the board", I'm just pointing out that when a guy sees any escort, attitude can be as important as looks. And a lot of times the shy, beginning transitioning, nervous about how they look, etc. girls end up acting more feminine as a result. there are also a decent amount of TS girls who have pretty much transitioned except for SRS who's sessions have been described - instead of GFE (girlfriend experience) as closer to the "prison rape experience".

OTOH, I would never argue that there aren't plenty of guys who are out there specifically looking for "a guy in a wig", but that's just choice: like seeing fat girls, very skinny girls, very tall girls, very short girls (and what I mean by choice is that we've already accepted that the guys are seeing TS and consider themselves str8 or whatever).

[alyssats]

also i think one of the main reason why alot of TS admirer/chasers like hard bodied TS is because they think they are more functional and can get hard easy and fukc well in bed. do you know that some of TS admirer/chasers kick me out of bed because im so soft looking and passable? they said they think i may not get a hard on because im so soft looking and ultrafeminine and might be taking a lot of hormones.

approximately 99.99% of TS admirer are into COCK so much and are powerbottoms lol just joking

kisses
Alyssa Luxor

[pman618]

Interesting thread. Straight/gay... Not sure it even matters any longer. I look at it this way, I am not attracted to "men", but I am attracted to tgirls. No idea why, I just am. If a tgirl is too masculine (ignoring the all too obvious cock) then it doesn't work for me. I don't get turned on if I see guys in the shower at the gym. I don't fanatasize about being with guys, but I get very turned on by a very attractive, femine tgirl with a huge cock. If asked, I would say I am str8. I don't think that being attracted to a girl with a cock makes me gay. I think that being attracted to 'men' would make me gay. Sorry for the ramble...

PS. Alyssa, I wouldn't kick you out of bed!

[bte]

How about genetic girls with muscular bodies with 6 packs and big clits?
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=29522

I am not into GG with muscular bodies, 6 packs and big clits. Not my kind of thing.

[pokemoon]

lol who wants to get with butch looking girls theyre dirty whats the point if its not a feminine looking lady

btw paris is sexy to the max

[tsparisangelline]

lol who wants to get with butch looking girls theyre dirty whats the point if its not a feminine looking lady

btw paris is sexy to the max

thank you hun

[pokemoon]

no thank you for being so sexy!!!

[DL_NL]

Taste is a matter of taste... I prefer the more feminine-looking girls. Even well-excercised GGs turn me off. I love curves and girly shapes.

[BeardedOne]

Heh @ the line "Are you still swingin'?" :) I'm gonna royt thet wun doon.


also i think one of the main reason why alot of TS admirer/chasers like hard bodied TS is because they think they are more functional and can get hard easy and fukc well in bed. do you know that some of TS admirer/chasers kick me out of bed because im so soft looking and passable? they said they think i may not get a hard on because im so soft looking and ultrafeminine and might be taking a lot of hormones.

Anyone that kicks you out of bed, Ms. Alyssa is a fool and an idiot.

Interesting thought, though.

This entire thread is just a variation of the daily 'amigay' threads that pop up on HA and all of the other T-friendly boards. Let's face it, any guy that is into T-gurls and waves his straight-man flag is lying to someone, be it himself, the gurl he's with, or the world at large.

As long as society sees human sexuality as a cut-in-stone binary concept this nonsense will be an issue. Until humanity, as a whole, views a person's sexuality/sexual preference as something beyond reproach from those outside that person's own relationships, then we will continue to have these goofy-ass diatribes about who likes what because they are claiming to be something they are not.

Speaking for myself, I am openly omni-sexual (As 'bisexual' bows to the norms of a closed-minded society). I've had lovers of all varieties without shame or regret. I flow towards people that I am attracted to, whether they 'swing' or not, and seriously can't think of a common denominator among them short of the fact that they tolerate very weird people in their lives.

<Thinking> 'Nuff said.

[irongoddess]

I've only seen glimpses, but very few tgirls have an ultra fem body like yours, that said, every girl's body type is different.

I assume you're referring to tslovers like myself who find a girl like Gloria hott!!??
Well, since I have a jonez for fitness/FBB chicks ( some not all), there are just certain girls who can pull off an extremely athletic, muscled look.
In part I think it's the androgyny that guys like myself find alluring in nearly all transgendered women, and also because I have an appreciation for athletic females.

But I agree it's not a good look for all girls, just a few.

BTW, your body is ridiculous, Barbie. IMO you shouldn't hold it against other girls who simply aren't built like you.:Bowdown:

hey Giovanni,i think you got the words mixed up
figure and fitness athlete we don`t look masculine,Paris said it right
athletic chick;)
masculine is when you look like a guy,muscular is different
you can have muscle and look like a woman
muscle is not male or female
male and females can build it and have it.
figure and fitness athlete we have lean muscles but as you know we don`t go overboard and we like to stay looking feminine,i`m much more curvaceous now than when i was 19yrs.
than for girls in bodybuilding there`s another category called physique
where the girls are very muscular,the big girls;)
i know you are my fan and you are a very sweet guy.
xxGloria
i`ve attached some old pics how i was before i started bodybuilding and some new ones
enjoy

[TGasMutiny]

U R amazing Gloria!

[giovanni_hotel]

I know Gloria, but I think Barbie is equating 'muscular' with looking 'masculine'. I know there's a HUUUGGEE difference, but since she never really provided an example, I'm left to interpret what she meant.

I realize too that the sport of FBB has evolved in the last 20 years into 'figure' competitors and 'physique' competitors; ironically in the 1980s today's figure competitors would have been Ms. Olympia contenders(!!).

Also, I'd put your bod up against anyone, Gloria!! It's not the same as other girls, but nonetheless it's still very sensual and feminine.
To be transgendered and have a such a lean muscled physique, yet still be such a curvy chick and have the outstanding lines that you have, just knocks me out!!!

Just a very rare, sexy bodytype, and I bet much of the reason why you have so many fans here on HA.

[Helvis2012]

Different strokes for different folks.....

[slinky]

Also, I'd put your bod up against anyone, Gloria!! .


Put it up against me!!!!!!!! (and hold it there). ;)

[slinky]

hey Giovanni,i think you got the words mixed up
figure and fitness athlete we don`t look masculine,Paris said it right
athletic chick;)
masculine is when you look like a guy,muscular is different
you can have muscle and look like a woman
muscle is not male or female
male and females can build it and have it.
figure and fitness athlete we have lean muscles but as you know we don`t go overboard and we like to stay looking feminine,i`m much more curvaceous now than when i was 19yrs.
than for girls in bodybuilding there`s another category called physique
where the girls are very muscular,the big girls;)
i know you are my fan and you are a very sweet guy.
xxGloria
i`ve attached some old pics how i was before i started bodybuilding and some new ones
enjoy

As I think you can even see in this thread, some guys don't even want "fitness" types because they see them as "too masculine" (example.... I think ... is Madonna - I don't see her as being big at all, but guys still find her too..... I'm not sure? Is it too cut?). As others have said, you can't argue taste. For me one of the big lines is vascularity: you can have two girls with fairly similar bodies but one with zero vascularity and the other with extreme vascularity and for a lot of guys not only will the vascular one look more masculine, but if see separately they will remember her as being bigger (subconsciously).

I'm sure there are at least a decent amount of guys who would look at YOUR pics and wonder "why did she do that? She looked better before" because they really WANT soft girls and even totally non-muscular, but just "very tight" girls aren't feminine enough for them.

Personally I find most people are way too "type" oriented: they have (often serially different) "types" they are attracted too. I know I'm always asked what my "type" is, but I really don't have one. The only thing I know for sure I'm not into is over a certain "fatness" level. But I've been with stick figure models, very muscular girls, very short, very tall, just about every race, etc. (as long as they are crazy - I like crazy girls ;) ).

As an aside to Gloria: personally, i find your body to be really great, and I'm not an expert, but it seems to some extent you look a bit "between categories" in some of the pics? Too big/cut for fitness and not enough for physique? Or have i just not kept up with the current state of the sport?

[phobun]

i`ve attached some old pics how i was before i started bodybuilding and some new ones
enjoy


I was always a fan of how you looked before... your breasts, butt, curves and face were perfect.

[irongoddess]

I know Gloria, but I think Barbie is equating 'muscular' with looking 'masculine'. I know there's a HUUUGGEE difference, but since she never really provided an example, I'm left to interpret what she meant.

I realize too that the sport of FBB has evolved in the last 20 years into 'figure' competitors and 'physique' competitors; ironically in the 1980s today's figure competitors would have been Ms. Olympia contenders(!!).

Also, I'd put your bod up against anyone, Gloria!! It's not the same as other girls, but nonetheless it's still very sensual and feminine.
To be transgendered and have a such a lean muscled physique, yet still be such a curvy chick and have the outstanding lines that you have, just knocks me out!!!

Just a very rare, sexy bodytype, and I bet much of the reason why you have so many fans here on HA.

thanks sweety
you really understand and appreciate my work, how is difficult if you are transexual and to be a figure athlete to stay feminine.That`s why there are no any other ts figure athletes in the world.
figure(which is the category i am) is all about having lean muscles,symmetry,proportion without going overboard and a pretty face help to be successful on stage.It`s a delicate business.

xxxGloria

[Nikka]

welcome to HA Paris :)

[drock]

what is the attraction of men that claim to be tslovers and "str8"

to transwomen with stick bodies muscular limbs and abdomens and masculine faces

i thought they wanted a woman with a penis not a man with implants and long hair


I don't know but personally i'm into femininity of a woman. I don't care if her dick if functional or not, and I prefer them to have a small dick to me they're more feminine.

[ati tan]

what is the attraction of men that claim to be tslovers and "str8"

to transwomen with stick bodies muscular limbs and abdomens and masculine faces

i thought they wanted a woman with a penis not a man with implants and long hairDo not get insecure about your status in the TS world, in needing to issue vieled lash out against the other TG and their lovers. After viewing your "Ingrid Michaelson song" youtube clip, think your face is one of the most kissable of any TS, very few TG look like I would want ot kiss them for hours, as well as all your mannerisms are cutish, youthful and sexy. you put on ane extremely alluring schoolgirl persona, one that i could kiss and buttfuck for hours and hours, while i jelq whatever size cock you have.

Some TG look to masculine yes, espeically many of the bigdick TG look too muscular, and their asses are too muscled and the skin of their asshole not inviting and clean looking (bleaching maybe?) many of these girls including nefertiti I have no desire to fuck their ass at all. my only desire is too kiss them and perhaps mutual jelqing while kissing.

one thing that makes these girls more attractive is covering up six-pack abs with corsets, and covering up veiny forearms with long gloves. And yes you are right long silken hair and makeup can really make any "less feminine TG" more attractive. especially heavy eyemakeup. we are all suckers for heavy eye makeup.

Do not get insecure as your cute face and thick pigeon-toed build make you one of the better bottom TG's i have not yet seen your cock, but i will asume it is small from the hormones, but so is kimber james and she is one of the favorites also. You are extremely fuckable, very cute just like a thick GG.

[bte]

What is jelqing?

[giovanni_hotel]

What is jelqing?

LOL!! I wondered why he didn't just say 'jerking', but if he's gonna stroke his cock, I guess he wants to use his time productively.

Jelqing is a firmer stroke technique, that if done correctly, allegedly increases the size of the penis.

[bte]

Really? I thought he made that word up.

[giovanni_hotel]

google 'jelq', it's a whole other world!!

[bte]

I googled it and does that really work? Some say it does and others say it doesn't.

[giovanni_hotel]

Well, I've heard if you've done pumping, clamping and stretching with weights, at best jelqing can help you to maintain your length/girth gains. But it won't put on 3+ inches or give you a 7 inch girth!!

[bat1]

to each his own:)

[drock]

hmmm would i want a vagina that cannot self lube?

would i want to pay a ton of money for something and i still cant have kids?

hmmm

that is a very OBVIOUS answer dear


Parisangeline you're off the chain baby.. lol. I like your mindset though..

[tsparisangelline]

my new pic update

[drock]

my new pic update

You're so fucking sexy and 100% passable.. I'd love to fuck the shit out of your sexy ass!!!

[TheToon]

I was asking myself the same question when I saw some of these threads, the masculine Tgirls, thread, some of the guys dressed in womens clothes in the hugely popular CD thread and the manly GG's thread.

Personally I'm attracted to feminity, that includes GG and TS, anything (with the exception of course of the Tgirl cock) that is masculine simply turns me off, that works for both GG and TS.

But I guess each person has their own turn ons, who am I to judge, just stating my likes and dislikes.

By the way ParisAngeline, you're smoking, totally feminine, love those shots.

[tsparisangelline]

You're so fucking sexy and 100% passable.. I'd love to fuck the shit out of your sexy ass!!!

lol thanks hun

[tsparisangelline]

I was asking myself the same question when I saw some of these threads, the masculine Tgirls, thread, some of the guys dressed in womens clothes in the hugely popular CD thread and the manly GG's thread.

Personally I'm attracted to feminity, that includes GG and TS, anything (with the exception of course of the Tgirl cock) that is masculine simply turns me off, that works for both GG and TS.

But I guess each person has their own turn ons, who am I to judge, just stating my likes and dislikes.

By the way ParisAngeline, you're smoking, totally feminine, love those shots.

aww thank u

[Helvis2012]

To each his own.....after all, who cares what people want to fuck?!?!?