Arianna's offensive banner signature

[Vicki Richter]

Arriana has a very offensive banner on her tag line. It's as bad as someone posting a schwastica or any other hate type of graphic. It never ceases to amaze me at how people on this board are so insensitive to other's religious or political views to the point of totally offending others. I mean here is someone who literally existed and died a most terrible painful death and He's mocked like that. BS. It's just in poor taste. I think any person (especially any T) looking to the world for acceptance should be more tolerant of other cultures and beliefs.

[chefmike]

maybe you'll like this one....

[Legend]

Im a christain and it really offends me, people who read into that kinda crap are devils worshippers!

[Vicki Richter]

Whatever. Fine... Make the board about hate mongering and offend people of other race and religions. That is why this world is so fucked up. People can't tolerate each other and have to go out of their way to offend people. That is why Gwen was killed. Intolerence of others beliefs or who they are. Don't say it's different, because it's exactly the same thing.

[chefmike]

Im a christain and it really offends me, people who read into that kinda crap are devils worshippers!

you can't even spell christian you dumbfuck...go watch some more cartoons...

[Quinn]

Im a christain and it really offends me, people who read into that kinda crap are devils worshippers!

you can't even spell christian you dumbfuck...go watch some more cartoons...

LMAO....

[Legend]

Im a christain and it really offends me, people who read into that kinda crap are devils worshippers!

you can't even spell christian you dumbfuck...go watch some more cartoons...

There is nothing wrong with cartoons,old people can be fucking annoying, stop stalking me in threads man and take your daily dose of viagra!

[Vicki Richter]

Arriana has a very offensive banner on her tag line. It's as bad as someone posting a schwastica or any other hate type of graphic. It never ceases to amaze me at how people on this board are so insensitive to other's religious or political views to the point of totally offending others. I mean here is someone who literally existed and died a most terrible painful death and He's mocked like that. BS. It's just in poor taste. I think any person (especially any T) looking to the world for acceptance should be more tolerant of other cultures and beliefs.Yes. You're absolutely right. What was I thinking when I decided on that? I must have been high on acid or herbal tea. May Mel Gibson forgive me.

So are you denying it could be offensive to others?

[chefmike]

Arriana has a very offensive banner on her tag line. It's as bad as someone posting a schwastica or any other hate type of graphic. It never ceases to amaze me at how people on this board are so insensitive to other's religious or political views to the point of totally offending others. I mean here is someone who literally existed and died a most terrible painful death and He's mocked like that. BS. It's just in poor taste. I think any person (especially any T) looking to the world for acceptance should be more tolerant of other cultures and beliefs.Yes. You're absolutely right. What was I thinking when I decided on that? I must have been high on acid or herbal tea. May Mel Gibson forgive me.

ah, yes...the passion...jeez...it's a concert poster...I hope she doesn't stumble across any really hardcore underground comix...Arianna...go on with your badself...you jersey devil...

[Legend]

Vicki let the old people stick together!

[kennbo]

Vicki, sweet Vicki, why are you being such an instigator tonight? First the Allanah/JWB post, which, I must admit, you were correct in noticing the wierd attribution. Now, you're all over Arianna because she attached a poster advertising a concert by a group that obviously wants to tweek the sensibilities of the programed masses.

[chefmike]

Vicki, despite our many differences, I've always admired your witty, feisty, and intelligent posts...but for someone who has a reputation for controversy, and playing the devil's advocate (pardon the expression)...you're being pretty touchy tonight...

[Vicki Richter]

Vicki, despite our many differences, I've always admired your witty, feisty, and intelligent posts...but for someone who has a reputation for controversy, and playing the devil's advocate (pardon the expression)...you're being pretty touchy tonight...

Nice pun. Heh.

No it just bothers me that she is going out of her way to offend Christians and then basically says "fuck you" when someone brings it up. If someone posted a picture of Martin Luther King or Kennedy being shot it would be also be offensive. But for those of us who honestly believe in God and Jesus, I don't think it's right that we should be subjected to intentionally offensive material.

This isn't a religious debate, it's a moral debate about people who intentionally attempt to offend other's beliefs. Even Jewish people admit that Jesus existed although they consider Him a prophet. So to show someone who died a terrible death for His beliefs (regardless of whether you believe Him to be the son of God) is just in really poor taste and lack of maturity.

I don't believe in a lot of the teachings of organized religion, but attacking someone's religion, particularly a significant social cluster, is just totally wrong.

[Vicki Richter]

Should I use this one instead? Help me out here, because I'm very concerned about this.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v701/pennygrrl/98-0120organ.jpg


Well of course that is clearly less offensive while still getting your youthful message accross.

[yourdaddy]

Don't pay any attention to chefmike. He's the biggest bigot on the site. One typo, and you're automatically a "dumbfuck". Poor little frustrated chefmike.

[kennbo]

Vicki, self identifying as a Christian? Hmmm. What's wrong with this picture? Wasn't it Vicki I saw gagging a chick in a Joey Silvera vid, being rather dominant? Where in the New Testament does Christ say go forth and gag others with your penis? That was hardly (pardon the pun) a loving, Christian way of acting towards one of God's children. Can you say hypocrite?[/quote]

[Adam_Thompson]

I don't respect people that disrespect the dead..no matter how long ago it was. I myself am not into religion, yet I am amazed at people who try to offend some of the religious folks and zealots. People like that remind of those goth kids that were forced to go to church growing upand lash out at religion. Just an opinion...I am not a fan of censorship though so I won't knock the picture especially since I have pictures of bouncing titties and a woman getting knocked out.

[Vicki Richter]

Well that was very cool of you for changing it.

Sincerely,

[chefmike]

This is NOT directed towards Vicki...but to the others that will certainly chime in to this thread, and speak for/defend organized religion, and all it's hypocrisy...

[Adam_Thompson]

ur statement adam seems a bit simplistic, how about if i desrespected hitler?

so obviously u dont mean any dead, but certain dead, where do u draw the line? what if a particular dead guy left a legacy of hate towards certain classes of people? like say mmmmmmm gay people? of which ur apparantly in the very least a subsection of....u know this dead guy u refer to was not a xians, he was a jew, xianity didnt start till a few hundred years later...and guess what... jewish teachings condemn gays to death...mmmm, i should still respect this guy? for what? some magic tricks u claim he did? pen and teller do it too....

please dont make blanket statements unless ur willing to stand behind em...to the tee

well I Knew someone would bring Hitler up after my statement...No shock there. I stand by what I say and since when did say I believed in any religion or care what teachings they have. I studided religion in college and have family members of many religious practices and fully understand what you are saying..which isn't totally correct in the first place for example...30 A.D. is when it started for them according to "them"..."a few hundred years later was the time of Constantine if you know anything about history".

I can get deeper into what I BELIEVE if you want since I apparently made a Blanket Statement..but I think you proved my point with what you just said...see I was never raised in the church and respect everyone's religious beliefs because I undertand it is something some people believe strong in, so I would never disrespect that and compare someone's "G" or "Savior" to Penn and Teller. I believe after this death your spirit lives on, so when you disrespect the dead you are disrespecting their spirit which may not be as "evil" as they once were on earth.
WOW
with that said....Fuck You and also you're right maybe my statement was blankated. I really should have stated that I don't respect people's actions of disrespecting the dead.

[BlackAdder]

I may not agree with what Arianna posted, but she certainly has every right to use whatever avatar she wants...Your being far too PC here Vicki...something must be bothering you?

[GroobySteven]

Fucking Christians. They're the most hypocritic, over-zealous bunch of morons...mormons...no morons around (ok tied with Judaism and Islam).
They should have all been put into a boat and sent to a country where the wolves and winter would have killed them all off. Although a couple of heathens would have probably helped them out and got killed for it later!
Anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-freedom of speach...fuck 'em. Throw them to the lions, dear boy.
seanchai

[Adam_Thompson]

Fucking Christians. They're the most hypocritic, over-zealous bunch of morons...mormons...no morons around (ok tied with Judaism and Islam).
They should have all been put into a boat and sent to a country where the wolves and winter would have killed them all off. Although a couple of heathens would have probably helped them out and got killed for it later!
Anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-freedom of speach...fuck 'em. Throw them to the lions, dear boy.
seanchai

Haven't seen you in a while Seanchai..Glad to see you're back and in a GREAT mood!

[Legend]

Fucking Christians. They're the most hypocritic, over-zealous bunch of morons...mormons...no morons around (ok tied with Judaism and Islam).
They should have all been put into a boat and sent to a country where the wolves and winter would have killed them all off. Although a couple of heathens would have probably helped them out and got killed for it later!
Anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-freedom of speach...fuck 'em. Throw them to the lions, dear boy.
seanchai


Thats kinda cold man,not all christians are alike, i am neither anti-gay or anti freedom of speech, im not even gonna get started on abortion my opinions on abortion!

[chefmike]

Fucking Christians. They're the most hypocritic, over-zealous bunch of morons...mormons...no morons around (ok tied with Judaism and Islam).
They should have all been put into a boat and sent to a country where the wolves and winter would have killed them all off. Although a couple of heathens would have probably helped them out and got killed for it later!

seanchai

LMAO...and just in time for thanksgiving...

bury my heart at wounded knee...

with the real "settlers"...

[GroobySteven]

Haven't seen you in a while Seanchai..Glad to see you're back and in a GREAT mood!

Travelling through Washington, Oregon and Cali.
Christians always put me in a good mood!

Did you know it's illegal to pump your own gas in Oregon - how weird is that?
seanchai

[aTsLiKeN0oThEr]

It's illegal in deleware too I think! That is weird. But anyhoo. Not nice bout christians babe. Very generalized but I don't care.... just an observation. I'm not overly sensitive.

[Legend]

Do you have religions?

[GroobySteven]

Thats kinda cold man,not all christians are alike, i am neither anti-gay or anti freedom of speech, im not even gonna get started on abortion my opinions on abortion!

Then why be a Christian? Everyone else in your group is up for the above 0 surely you must recognise that you're tied in with a bunch of wackos.
I'm mean what could be crazier than believing a terrorist 2000 years ago, second or third hand writings have been re-written by major corportations was actually the son of God and the product of a virgin birth...and he rose from the dead - all while having a funky beard, blue eyes and blonde hair!

Why do you guys wear crosses? Think when he comes back he really wants to see that..."Fuck no, they're going to do it to me again...I'm fucking outta here" (paraphrased of course from the awesome Bill Hicks).
seanchai

[GroobySteven]

Do you have religions?

I do - it's called the Religion of Steven and you all fucking listen to me, or my wrath will come down upon thee and there wilt be no mercy or forgiveness for all you cocksuckers who deny the true one.

But when not subscribing to that, yes I don't have a religion, I have a philosophy which I live my life to. It's individual to me. It doesn't aim to hurt anyone except in the defense of others, it makes me comfortable with who I am and how I relate to people around me. It's called LIFE. Try living you're own instead of somebody elses agenda.
seanchai

[Legend]

Thats what a been taught all my life to be a christian,christains are not wackos but passionate about the bible and upholding its views in gods eyes,the cross reminds people of the sacriface he made for us so thats why people wear it!

[Adam_Thompson]

hey no fair, why can seanchai say what i feel and not get punished? haha...great seanchai, right on...

as to adam...ok sweetie, im gonna try and be nice...u see ur retarded...its not so bad, many retarded people still function well in society, watch I AM SAM...anyway, while christ was alleged to have died in the year 30ad..u see him and his followers were not xians, the term wasnt even invented till many many years later sweetie...u see they were jews, practiced judaism...didnt have sunday off, they had saturdays off, like jews have today..u didnt learn anything about religion now in college did u? lets be honest now, u actually never went to college i bet;) but its ok, we love u anyways...but u have an internet before u, go to google, look up what im saying and save urself from another embarrassing post...xianity was invented many years after jesus' death, hundreds of years after..so i was right, and u my dear friend are special:)

"In the long run nothing can withstand reason and experience, and the contradiction religion offers to both is only too palpable."
..........Sigmund Freud

"Sweetie"..what are we in prison...and many years..is that a few hundred years..or many years..and when Paul changed his name and claimed J was the Savior and Christ...when was that..I said "THEY" believe thats when it started also, not when I believe. Now if you don't mind I have to go to an imaginary meeting for my imaginary University....Thanks for that great lesson in history too...it was so accurate and detailed...I had no Idea they practiced Judaism first....so when they nicknamed Jesus "King of the Jews" they were really saying he was a JEW...wow...thanks for enlightening me and calling me sweetie...who calls someone "sweetie" anyway...joking or not

http://www.ctgilles.net/images/pictars/Georgesays_homo.jpg

[Adam_Thompson]

HEY CAN WE TALK ABOUT POLITICS AND ABORTIONS NEXT???

[GroobySteven]

Thats what a been taught all my life to be a christian,christains are not wackos but passionate about the bible and upholding its views in gods eyes,the cross reminds people of the sacriface he made for us so thats why people wear it!

So you subscribing to something you were taught?
Not so many years ago people were taught that the earth was flat.
Do you believe in creationism?
Pt 1 of the bible was not wrote by Christians Pt 2 (When Chucky Got Lucky) was originally meant to be a fairytale but they marketed it wrong.

Here's my issue Legend and I know not all Christians are bad people and many think they are or intend to be doing good with their lives. You stated you're a Christian because you were taught to be one but why are you one apart from that? If your parents had brought you up to eat babies and make scat movies would you be in that (probably) - but you can change and look at the world objectively. You're no different from zealots brought up to believe one point of view, whether Christian or not. Those terrorists who kill in the name of God, would claim "This is how I was brought up..."

If you are passionate about the bible - then what are you doing on this site? Everything in the bible would point this to being wrong?
So you like to remind yourself that Jesus died for you? Bollocks. You want to show others you're in the club.
seanchai

[Legend]

Thats what a been taught all my life to be a christian,christains are not wackos but passionate about the bible and upholding its views in gods eyes,the cross reminds people of the sacriface he made for us so thats why people wear it!The cross is one thing. But those crucifixes are so over the top; little miniature dead guys around peoples' necks? WTF?


i've never seen anybody wear something like that around there necks!

[GroobySteven]

J you've said on here that you're a Jew right?
Is that a religion or an ethnic background?
seanchai

[Legend]

Man you guys are fringing shocking me, i never ever knew people to be anti-bible, anti-god. Our god shouldnt be ever compare to a terriost's god never.Not all christains dislike gay people and disapprove of them and there lifestyle. im shock all of my life ive never knew people to hate or not believe the bible or its contents!

[GroobySteven]

Man you guys are fringing shocking me, i never ever knew people to be anti-bible, anti-god. Our god shouldnt be ever compare to a terriost's god never.Not all christains dislike gay people and disapprove of them and there lifestyle. im shock all of my life ive never knew people to hate or not believe the bible or its contents!

Idiot - you're showing your ignorance now.

Catholics and Protestants (both Christians) have comitted terrorist acts for years against each other and the establishment in Ireland.

The Serbs in Bosnia were terrorists and Christian.

Northern India has Christian terrorists.

You're God is the same God as these terrorists God.
You obviously haven't read the bible as it clearly states that a man lying down with another man is a sin (as are goats and sheep).

You've never known peope not to believe in the bible? Do you not think that's a little sad. Sit back for one moment and pretend you're in a sci-fic movie where everyone has been indoctrined (look it up on dictionary.com) into one way of thinking and only you know it's the wrong way...

Man, the bible was made by the church to keep women in their places, to keep the people subservient and scared, and to keep money flowing into what I think (?) is the richest corporation in the world!
Fool - wake up, or are you just being very sardonic, maybe, I mean you spell Christian incorrectly and God without a capital G?
seanchai
seanchai

[chefmike]

this is the christian who can't even spell it...

I'm not a mod, don't have access to this info...

but we were told by a mod that the (banned) idiot formerly known as spiderman was back with a new handle...

not that it matters...this is spiderman ...or they are twin morons of different mothers...

[GroobySteven]

It is shocking.
Let's send a DVD of Vicki Richter fucking Joanna Jet in Brazen Shemales (available from http://www.shemale-video-direct.com and an excellent DVD at a good price!) along with a photo of her winning her much lauded AVN award to 100 Christian groups and see the response.
Let's see how many of the Christians on here turn up to her funeral!
seanchai

(before any numbnuts get offended - the above was obviously sarcasm to illustrate a point and not intended to suggest that someone should off Vicki or I have death fantasies over her...or do I :roll: )

[GroobySteven]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051109/ap_on_re_us/evolution_debate

Dumb Da Dumb Dumb Daaaaa!

[chefmike]

nonLegend...you have sinned

you must face the wrath of the LORD GOD...

this is what awaits you...


sex in hell...repent...leave this foul place...

[Adam_Thompson]

just curious...how do you all feel about people being killed in the name of "democracy" ....Political ideologies have been the cause for many deaths, does this make democracy, or any other such belief, bad as a whole

[Overlord Abomination]

This thread blows...

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[Legend]

You guys can call me dumb, idiot,moron oh and a bad speller all you want, i dont care,im not trying to start a fight about this subject on here ,ill just let you guys hate god and his beliefs all you want ,i was always beleive in god not matter what anybody else says!

[brickcitybrother]

I'll abstain on this one ... whew.

[Lafuerza]

To answer Adam Thompson:

No. It's up to the people to show that their ideology works for society. If they do it in a way that ends in chaos, it's the people that've fucked up, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the ideology is bad in theory.

It's just the way that people bring it.....and if it turns out that one has to impose one's ideology to others using violence of any kind, it's a sign of failure. And unfortunately, throughout the history of mankind there have been a whole lot of those.

[Lafuerza]

No. It's up to the people to show that their ideology works for society. If they do it in a way that ends in chaos, it's the people that've fucked up, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the ideology is bad in theory.I agree. But, unfortunately, most Christians do not behave in a very Christ-like manner.

True. But In my perception a lot of these persons who call themselves Christian, don't really know what it means to be a true devotee. Perhaps that's why there's no one in the world who can be considered the true follower of God, not even the pope.

If they can't even manage to create a model-society within their own niche (meaning that there's apparently no single perception of Christianity that's considered to be the truth), then what's the value of having a religion?

[kennbo]

I hate to be picky, but Seanchi said to check dictionary.com for the term "indoctrined", which I was pretty sure was incorrect. I searched and found no match for indoctrined. Indoctrinated is the proper term. Maybe Seanchi should use dictionary.com himself, before self righteously directing others to do so, especially when he's wrong.

[Vicki Richter]

Fucking Christians. They're the most hypocritic, over-zealous bunch of morons...mormons...no morons around (ok tied with Judaism and Islam).
They should have all been put into a boat and sent to a country where the wolves and winter would have killed them all off. Although a couple of heathens would have probably helped them out and got killed for it later!
Anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-freedom of speach...fuck 'em. Throw them to the lions, dear boy.
seanchai

Is this what to expect from the atheists? Hate, contempt, anger, wishing death on an entire - significant - portion of the population? It's very irrational. I used to dial into "dial an atheist" in Tucson while I went to Catholic school and the guy on the line was so angry and hateful we used to laugh at him. He sounded a lot like you.

As a Christian, I don't hate gays, I am pro-abortion (when it's not used for birth control over and over), and am very pro-freedom of speach. You're taking the 10-20% and lumping everyone into that. Americans wouldn't know it, but the Muslims killing and blowing themselves up are probably in that .1% range. A lot of Muslims are good, honest, people.

Seanchai - you of all people should know better than to generalize.

Not that anyone cares, but my foundational religious beliefs are very unfundamental and are morphed from a combination of evolution and Christianity. I definitely believe in a higher power, greater being, etc. I call Him God, some call Him Alah, some call Him Buddah.

Evolution is very scientific and unrefutable on many levels. However, the intracacies of our species, the near perfection of the human form, and the ability for a being to be sentient all calls for something more than chance. So on this rock in the middle of the Universe, by some 1 in a gajillion chance all the stars lined up and poof... There you have it. Life! Then that life morphs into all we have today. Then you have atmosphere. A perfect heated core. Abundant H20. All easily explained scientifically, but not logically. The very people professing atheism are also saying aliens can't exist. Why? Because it is so fucking improbable that another world would line up just as perfect as ours to create life.

Do I believe much of what the old testament says? No... But think about it. How would God choose to get out his message to people thousands of years ago with their limited comprehension? Were they ready for science and evolution or did they need a more plausable immediate explaination to help teach them? Something they could understand. I mean you don't go into first graders and start them out with Calculus. You have to start somewhere where they are developed enough to understand.

I think the New Testament is an awesome book. It teaches tolerence "turn the other cheek". It teaches forgiveness, Jesus forgiving the prostitute. It teaches not to be judgemental "judge lest ye be judged". It teaches that the church wasn't intended to be a marketplace (when Jesus smashed the temple). Where here is the message that professes hate towards groups of people like gays? It's a very positive message all around. I can't really interpret one thing in the New Testament that supports your stance on the religion. What? The improbability of supernatural things happening (water to wine), Jesus rising from the dead, etc - all impossible without the supernatural element - destroy the entire message? I love this one, "Blessed are those who have heard and not seen".

So why would God do the whole sending his son to earth thing? The people, when the Old Testament message started, needed to hear "an eye for an eye" to keep them in line. They needed 10 commandments - which still, even today, hold true to our ideals as a society. However, the people were ready for a much more educated message. They had taken the old testament to literal extremes. They were persecuting people in God's name and that wasn't what was intended. So how do you fix it? You send a messenger to fix it and hopefully people comprehend those messages more clearly as time goes on.

There are also supernatural things that happen that I don't think I could explain or you could explain. Most people who really use a Ouija board can profess that there is a supernatural presence. The first time I ever heard the name Belial or Leviathan was when using the Ouija board with my 9 year old syster (I was 7). And no, she hadn't heard the names either. The first time I ever heard that my grandfather used to call my mom "honeybunch" was when using the Ouija board. Try moving a shot glass up a wall subconsciously with two fingers from two little kids. My mom reads palms... I mean... as crazy as that seems, she is extremely accurate.

Now... Yes... My views are extremely opposed to a fundamental Christian or Catholic view, but never-the-less, I do believe in God. Sorry if I don't hate people because they have different view points, but nobody is going to share opinions just like mine. I also believe that there are many people like me who believe in God but don't live to the letter of the old testament. All you can hope is that you live a good enough life in the big picture. No murdering. No stealing. No raping. The New Testament doesn't tell people not to have sex on camera, not to use condoms, not to get fucked in the ass, not to have sex with the same sex... and I don't see those things in the ten commandments either by the literal interpretation. Covet thy neighbors wife is adultry only.

It would be a really lonely existence to be you for sure. However, I respect your decisions to believe that way and I am not going to degrade you or chastise you because of them.

Also, I am not saying I am a perfect Christian even by my views. However, I catch myself often and try to do the right thing.

Vicki

[AllanahStarrNYC]

lol this thread is quite amusing

[hondarobot]

As strange as it seems, there is a "God", I have no idea what he or she is up to at the moment, or what the purpose of life really is.

Just trust me on this one. It's a wacky idea, but something is pulling the strings. It's complicated but it certainly seems true at the moment.

I've had a crazy life and lately. . .

Well, I won't get into it.

Nobody said life was suppose to make sense.

[Felicia Katt]

Faith can move mountains. Religion can strip mine them. People on both sides of the aisle confuse Being Christian with being religious because its easier to do ritual than it is to do right. You aren't supposed to take the Lord's name in vain, but so much evil is done, by man, in the Lord's name. I respect anyone who is genuinely spiritual in words and in deeds. But the actions of many of the people who profess to be religious make it seem like their fingers are as crossed as their symbols.



FK

[Vicki Richter]

vikki im in shock, ur really intelligent i honestly think ur putting us on...ouija board? im stunned...i expected it from the retards here, but from u? im speechless...i wont even get into it, its like saying u saw ghosts or something, i cant refute it and i cant argue with u, i simply hope ur joking...

as to ur intelligent desgin argument...ur dead wrong...evolution explains all the flaws in the designs of the world...if there was truly an engineer contracted to design the world and he did such a lousy job, he would get fired and def not be called upon to design anything in the future...vestigial organs and such prove that...just to take a simple example...birds have hollow bones for ease of flight reasons...even though they break easier and have its flaws, it pays off for them since it aids in flight...but what about the penguins, who dont fly? an intelligent designer would have given em solid bones since they dont fly and need the strength...but guess what, theyre hollow...evolution can explain that flaw, intelligent design cant...nor can it explain why we have an appendix, why males have nipples, etc etc etc.......


i find u very intelligent vikki and have not resorted to the name calling and put downs i use on the morons here...i hope u acknowledge the logic in my post, kisses

Don't knock it til you've tried it. Look... If I wasn't moving it and my sister wasn't moving it. How do you explain it? Subconscious right? One of us was making it move without knowing it. The force with which it moves when you are so lightly touching it is impressive. I mean, as bizarre as it sounds, there are way too many things I've seen in that space when using one which kids, even intelligent ones, just don't think or say. This wasn't my only rational argument, but the only one which I feel consists of physical proof for those who have heard but not seen.

[hondarobot]

The glass moving up the wall was one thing, and I've got stories that would freak the hell out of anyone.

It's mostly all real. Crazy shit waits just around that corner we dont want to look around.

It really does. We live in a haunted world.

Trust me or not on that, I believe it's the truth.

There's been hundreds of things in my life that couldn't rationally be explained.

[skyler]

i think were a bunch of cells on acid in here debatein whos who :lol:

[Felicia Katt]

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

--From Hamlet

This quote applies evenly to those who reject the supernatural and to those who try to reinject it into the natural sciences. Some things can't be rationally explained yet. Some things are irrational to question.

FK

[GroobySteven]

All fair points Vicky - yet why do you need to be a Christian?
Why do you need to practise your thoughts and doings under a banner which is so flawed and so fictitious (yes I actually used the beloved dictionary.com this time).
Why can't you believe in God without being a Christian?

I never stated I was an atheist. I do however, fucking hate Christianity (and Islam and Judaism and plenty more).

You usage of a Quija board can probably be attributed to selective memory and sub-concious thoughts - not that you are your sister had any reason playing with that thing. I know there is a spiritual world out there and I'm fairly sure they're having a good laugh at the follies of religion.
seanchai

[LG]

seanchai,

I'll agree with you in a sense. I too hate organised religion, with a passion. But Christianity is not the same as the organised Christian religion. Christianity is a way of life based on the teachings of Christ and importantly on just two basic commandements.

1. Love God with all your heart. To follow this commandment you don't even need to be a Chrisitian. God is whatever you wish to call Him, Jehovah, Allah, Manitou, the Great Spirit whatever). Christians however believe that Christ was the son of God.

2. Love your fellow man as you love yourself and treat him as you would wish to be treated.

There are good and bad Christians, Muslims, Jews etc. But Christianity, Islam and Judaism are the teachings that those religions claim to base themselves on, not the religions themselves. The interpretation is often wrong, misguided, twisted for the wrong causes- to justify war (the Crusade and the Jihad) for example. Some people calling themselves Christians interpret the teachings of the new testament in a way to suit themselves, just as Muslim extremists interpret the Koran to find a reason to cause destruction and death.

Here is what I believe;
- All organised religions claim to be based on philosophies which preach goodwill, love, understanding and hope.
- Most organised religions have twisted those teachings into their own dogma which often preaches the opposite of what it should but masquerades itself as the word of God.
- Many religious extremists are bigoted buffoons. Christianity teaches tolerance, yet people who belong the Christian right are amongst the most intolerant.
- None of the three major religions is much better than any other. All teach basically the same things. We subscribe to one or another belief but it would be ridiculous to claim that those who disagree with us are bad people and will find no place in heaven (if there is such a thing).

What you believe is up to you. I don't wan't to preach, I'm just giving you my thoughts. You'll notice that while I subscribe to one philosophy I don't neccessarily claim the others are wrong.

I am just annoyed at how the organised churches and denominations of the world have hijacked the teachings of the religious philosophies and twisted them to meet their needs making it so hard for people to distinguish that there is philosophy of love and tolerance struggling to escape from the piles of dogma, intolerance and hatred for anything different.

Christ was a simple man who hung out with simple people. He befriended prostitutes and helped them, talked to thieves and crooks and helped them, brought hope everywhere he went. The churches which purport to be continuing Jesus' work are ruled by men who live in comfort and have no time for people. Men who preach hatred. The politicians and others who claim to be advancing the word of God are even worse. But go to a small parish church in the UK or visit a monastery anywhere in Europe, or travel to an poor African country to see Christian volunteers helping the sick and you'll find good, kind, tolerant men, full of understanding and the desire to help. They are the true Christians.

There are true Christians, true Muslims and true Jews, all of them good decent people, but they don't make the news on TV or the column inches in papers. But they are what Christianity, Islam and Judaism are really about.

[joyboy123]

Jesus himself was probably not so bad. It's his fucking fanclub that suck.

Best quote of 2005.

[GOOD_PUSSY_BITCH]

I think the New Testament is an awesome book. It teaches tolerence "turn the other cheek". It teaches forgiveness, Jesus forgiving the prostitute. It teaches not to be judgemental "judge lest ye be judged". It teaches that the church wasn't intended to be a marketplace (when Jesus smashed the temple). Where here is the message that professes hate towards groups of people like gays? It's a very positive message all around. I can't really interpret one thing in the New Testament that supports your stance on the religion. What? The improbability of supernatural things happening (water to wine), Jesus rising from the dead, etc - all impossible without the supernatural element - destroy the entire message? I love this one, "Blessed are those who have heard and not seen".
I think the New Testament is an awesome book. It teaches tolerence "turn the other cheek". It teaches forgiveness, Jesus forgiving the prostitute. It teaches not to be judgemental "judge lest ye be judged". It teaches that the church wasn't intended to be a marketplace (when Jesus smashed the temple). Where here is the message that professes hate towards groups of people like gays? It's a very positive message all around. I can't really interpret one thing in the New Testament that supports your stance on the religion. What? The improbability of supernatural things happening (water to wine), Jesus rising from the dead, etc - all impossible without the supernatural element - destroy the entire message? I love this one, "Blessed are those who have heard and not seen". [/quote]



Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Cor 6:9-10)

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. (Gal 5:19-21)

But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. (Eph 5:3-5)

[Vicki Richter]

All fair points Vicky - yet why do you need to be a Christian?
Why do you need to practise your thoughts and doings under a banner which is so flawed and so fictitious (yes I actually used the beloved dictionary.com this time).
Why can't you believe in God without being a Christian?

I never stated I was an atheist. I do however, fucking hate Christianity (and Islam and Judaism and plenty more).

You usage of a Quija board can probably be attributed to selective memory and sub-concious thoughts - not that you are your sister had any reason playing with that thing. I know there is a spiritual world out there and I'm fairly sure they're having a good laugh at the follies of religion.
seanchai

I am Christian because I believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ aka (Christ-ian). I don't find those teachings to be anything short of inspiring or positive. They don't inspire hate or contempt or doing harm upon others. I think my major issues come when radical Christians take the old testament verses to heart despite the fact that they directly conflict with the New Testament's teachings.

Remember things like, "may he who has not sinned cast the first stone."? I mean Jesus had so many insightful thoughts which directly conflicted with the church. He was a real, tangible person, and the events were acurately chronicled by multiple followers. If you can show me one teaching by Jesus which you feel inspire the negative ways that some Christians behave, or the judgements they make upon others, then by all means share. I honestly do believe that if all people lived by the stance of WWJD, the world would be a much much better place and I don't think you could refute that.

Some guy sent me an odd email last week which inspired a response. Here is the thread. As ridiculous as the question was, the answer came from my beliefs to an extent.


John smith <xxxxxx@yahoo.com> wrote: Vicki, what would you do if while on your upcoming visit to NYC you meet Allanah at a club to clear the air but while there she feels dizzy faints and shrinks down to only 3 inches tall? What would you do?

Vicki <vickicali@yahoo.com> wrote: I would use my powers to unshrink her.

john smith <xxxxxx@yahoo.com> wrote: You would not want to keep her as a pet

Vicki <vickicali@yahoo.com> wrote: As tempting as that would be. No.

john smith <xxxxxx@yahoo.com> wrote: Well you are definately hot but now I am not sure if you are mean??????

Vicki <vickicali@yahoo.com> wrote: LOL. Not as mean as some think.

[Vicki Richter]

Arriana has a very offensive banner on her tag line. It's as bad as someone posting a schwastica or any other hate type of graphic. It never ceases to amaze me at how people on this board are so insensitive to other's religious or political views to the point of totally offending others. I mean here is someone who literally existed and died a most terrible painful death and He's mocked like that. BS. It's just in poor taste. I think any person (especially any T) looking to the world for acceptance should be more tolerant of other cultures and beliefs.My name and "swastika" were both spelled incorrectly here btw. But I wanted to point out that, although the swastika was adopted by Hitler and the 3rd Reich, it is actually an ancient mandala. And, aside from that, I think it's a stretch to compare goofing on Jesus with a symbol usually associated w/ the genocidal murder of 6 million Jews. And, even more lofty, is somehow comparing said goofing with the murder of Gwen Arujo. Personally, I find that to be far more offensive, but you're welcome to your opinion.

I spell words incorrectly all the time. I probably have hundreds of misspellings in my postings here. I use to win spelling bee's in elementary school but I have become dependent on spell checkers. Seanchai knows I have issues spelling people's names correctly.

I realize your points. However, IF, Jesus was who Christians believe Him to be, then the sacrifice of being born to die a terrible, painful, unavoidable death was a sacrifice for the ages. To mock that person or people who believe He really did what is suggested He did is just as wrong. What if I had a picture of Gwen on all fours in her death robes with some big boobed judge sitting on her back. It would be pretty offensive right?

The church says that Jesus died for our sins. I say that, from a more practical perspective, Jesus died because, to be remembered, to be truly immortal in the hearts of humans, he had to be a martyr.

[chefmike]

Jesus Saves, Moses Invests.

[Vicki Richter]

Ouija board Bearing a name said to be derived from the French and German words for “yes,” the Ouija board is simply a flat, smooth board bearing the letters of the alphabet, numbers, and often the words “Yes,” “No,” “Maybe,” and “Goodbye.” A hand-sized, heart-shaped device perched upon three short legs, each of which has a pad or wheel to enable the instrument to slide freely across the board, is known as the planchette. This is used as a pointer, the tapered end of the heart shape indicating letters on the board.


The Ouija board and heart-shaped planchette.

One or more operators sit around the board, each lightly resting fingers upon the top of the planchette. It is said that spirits or other entities cause the planchette to move about the board, spelling out messages and answers to questions posed by the operators. (This process is a form of “dactylomancy,” or divination by means of finger motions.)
Actually, the movement is due to the ideomotor effect and this can be shown by the fact that when the operator is properly blindfolded, only gibberish is produced.
The Ouija board was patented in 1892 by a Maryland novelty company.

ideomotor effect This is the psychological phenomenon that underlies dowsing, automatic writing, table tipping, and the Ouija board. Quite unconsciously, the participant is moving the hand enough to make the movement of the involved device occur, though he may attribute the motion to the divine or supernatural force in which he believes. In all these events, nothing in the way of information is revealed to the operator except what he already knows. The effect is very powerful with some personalities, and no amount of evidence will disabuse believers in the magical nature of the phenomenon.

Is this from personal experience or something you read online? It's easy to explain away stuff like this, and of course science HAS to try otherwise it fucks with everything science teaches. Why is it that it always takes two people or more to make it work? Because suddenly you subconsciously think you can get away with it? That's silly. I mean it has a dramatic pulling sensation. You have to try it to understand... but motor-sensors don't explain it. We're talking feather light contact on the device... not resting your hands on it. Literally the skin on your fingertips would have to be responsible for moving it.

[chefmike]

another favorite...

Jesus Is Coming And Boy Is He Pissed!

[BlackAdder]

Vicki, do you believe that the Gnostic documents are true? That the Merovingian bloodline survives to this day? Its not a far jump to hypothesize that the reason the Templars were able to gain power seemingly overnight via papal mandate, was because they had threatened to reveal what they were guarding, namely the descendants of Jesus and the paper documents to prove that claim, along with the gospel documents that never made it into the bible......It seems awfully strange that they were later declared heretics themselves, no?

I find Christianity as a whole now a farce because they refuse to acknowledge there there are more gospels that were supposed to be in the bible then what are printed. Those missing gospels were declared heretical at the time by a male dominated clergy who feared any kind of power given to the lowly female which would upset there dominance. Im firmly convinced now that Jesus intended Mary Magdalene, the female, to carry on the Gospel of Jesus Christ, not Peter.

Do you know that Jesus never said he himself was divine, and that he was "voted" to be the son of god by a council of christians more then a hundred years after the resurrection?

His fanclub does indeed suck lol....

[GroobySteven]

Jesus didn't write that shit Vicky - most of it written 200-300 years after he died and most of it 2nd or 3rd hand.
It was written with an agenda.

There's no reason for you to follow the prescribed agenda.
LG - what is the point of your first rule, "to Love God". Now if you want to both tell me that to love God or to love Christ is to love yourself and fellow man, then I can dig that - just leave out the pointless bit about loving a legendary figure and a nothing (we may as well saying, I love Bilbo and Gandalf). I'm a Bilboian!

By nature, as animals we care about our lives and for each other. There are other animal groups which do the same and you don't see them worshipping, Trevor the God of Hairdos. What is the point of worshipping these unseen entities or stating you're a Christian because you follow "his" writings?
Get your own life and not some pre-inscribed one based on a 2000 yr old comic book that was designed to keep people in their place. This is my issue - you use it as a crutch, as an excuse and as a members only club.
seanchai

[Legend]

You guys need more faith in the bible and god,i dont wanna see you go too hell!

[GroobySteven]

You guys need more faith in the bible and god,i dont wanna see you go too hell!

Explain why I need more faith in the bible and your God and how it would change or enrich my life and the people around me.
You actually haven't managed to explain your points at all yet. So if you don't follow the bible and go to church you go to Hell right? Find Hell in the bible for me and where it states this please.
seanchai

[Vicki Richter]

Vicki, do you believe that the Gnostic documents are true? That the Merovingian bloodline survives to this day? Its not a far jump to hypothesize that the reason the Templars were able to gain power seemingly overnight via papal mandate, was because they had threatened to reveal what they were guarding, namely the descendants of Jesus and the paper documents to prove that claim, along with the gospel documents that never made it into the bible......It seems awfully strange that they were later declared heretics themselves, no?

I find Christianity as a whole now a farce because they refuse to acknowledge there there are more gospels that were supposed to be in the bible then what are printed. Those missing gospels were declared heretical at the time by a male dominated clergy who feared any kind of power given to the lowly female which would upset there dominance. Im firmly convinced now that Jesus intended Mary Magdalene, the female, to carry on the Gospel of Jesus Christ, not Peter.

Do you know that Jesus never said he himself was divine, and that he was "voted" to be the son of god by a council of christians more then a hundred years after the resurrection?

His fanclub does indeed suck lol....

Again, you mistake the belief in Christ with Christianity. There are dozens, if not hundreds of unique perspectives (and derivatives) here. Christians don't universally deny these things. You are getting the whole thing confused with the Catholic church which is yet another derivative of Christianity. Just because Ford says that Goodyear are the only good tires doesn't mean that "automobile makers say Goodyear make the best tires, what morons!!!" Being Christian does not mean that I believe the things you are saying. Therefore, what you are saying is false and created within your own limited perspectives. Not all Christians shake their heads and plug their ears and say, "LA LA LA I can't hear you!!!" when bringing up topics about evolution, etc.

It's ironic because the inquisition was in direct conflict with the teachings of Christ. Why wouldn't they have written/made up more corrupt things to support their agenda? Throw the first stone and judge lest ye be judged don't really mesh with killing people who refuse to believe. It would have been much easier to make Jesus a vengeful individual who struck down the sinful.

[Vicki Richter]

By nature, as animals we care about our lives and for each other. There are other animal groups which do the same and you don't see them worshipping, Trevor the God of Hairdos. What is the point of worshipping these unseen entities or stating you're a Christian because you follow "his" writings?
Get your own life and not some pre-inscribed one based on a 2000 yr old comic book that was designed to keep people in their place. This is my issue - you use it as a crutch, as an excuse and as a members only club.
seanchai

Well if getting my own life means I wish an entire group of believers (of alternate beliefs) to be inflicted with a type of religious genocide, then I guess I'll keep what I have. You've generalized all Christians into one big hateful pot multiple times in your postings. "I hate this, I hate that". If not believing in the divine drives hate, which I have seen time and time again, then I am really happy with my crutch. Again, you have in no way refuted any of the actual teachings of the New Testament or suggested how they conflict with how most good people try to live their lives.

If it was a members only club, by my personal interpretation, then I wouldn't be accepting of Buddhist and Muslim faiths. However, I have already supported that I don't begrudge these people their beliefs either. Live and let live and don't generalize.

[GroobySteven]

...but your ideals don't have to come under the banner of Christianity or following the teachings of Christ? I mean exactly why do you need someone else to tell you:
Don't kill or hurt others.
Be good to people as you'd be good to yourself.
blah blah.

Turn the other cheek? You've a spiteful mouth on this board so where does that come into the New Testament, I see it in the Old Testament ("Do unto others, an eye for an eye, blah blah).
This is why I both hate and love arguing with Christians, they pick the parts of the texts that they want to agree with an leave the rest. Arguing with someone with blind faith both supports how I feel about them but leaves me mystified as to how an individual with individual thought can be so ignorant.

There is no reason for you to have to be a Christian Vicki, you can be all that by just being yourself...and then maybe you truly can turn the other cheek and keep the trap shut when someone supposedly makes a comment about you or you feel the need to jibe another?
seanchai

[lar2564]

You guys want prove of the paranormal. Look at the big cock trend

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=4200&highlight=cock

Now those 10 inchers are paranormal. Can I have my million dolllars now?

[hondarobot]

Honestly, I think dying was the worst thing that could have happened to Jesus. I'm not being silly here, but I don't believe in pre-destination, that would make free will irrelevant. He wasn't meant to die by some divine plan, he got murdered by a bunch of jerks who were scared of him. Had he lived, he could have presumably written down his thoughts and gave the world a 100% accurate record of his view of things. Instead we're left with a collection of books written by his followers, and the ideas presented in those books gets twisted and distorted over and over again to further the agendas of very bad people.

But I also don't believe death is the finite end to existence. I'm pretty sure there are remnants of all living things left behind after the body dies, it just follows the laws of physics. In some fashion Jesus still exists somewhere, he's just not living as a human anymore.

I bet Jesus would have written a much more effective book then the Bible (and I'm not knocking the Bible as a whole), had he had the chance. It would be funny and kinda sexy as well, he probably was a really cool guy.

I also don't think he was "the son of God". The idea that God is an old man who simply thinks about making rules for human beings is ridiculous. God, whatever it is, created Everything, it's as much a bird or a rock or a dinosaur as it is a human. It's the entire universe. Jesus was a wise, powerful person very intune with the world. Could he perform miracles? Maybe, but I don't think it was some magical hocus pocus, it was just existing on a level beyond the rules that ordinarily govern things.

Just my take on things, and who really knows? It's the Big Question, and I suppose if there is a purpose in life it's to figure out a harmonius balance between all the things that are.

[chefmike]

that's an interesting post, honda...and I thought it was just gonna be your usual "leave Vicki alone, she's a saint!" reply... :lol:

[chefmike]

so jesus walks into a motel slaps 3 nails down on the counter and say "hey, could u put me up for the nite?"

LMAO...I have a feeling I'm gonna be using that one...that's worthy of Lenny Bruce or Bill Hicks...

[Brideshead]

What avatar are people writing about?

[Brideshead]

WOULD SOMEONE ANSWER MY QUESTION AND TELL ME WHAT THE HELL PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT?

[Lafuerza]

Wow, you waited a whole 3 minutes.....kudos.

[Brideshead]

Wow, you waited a whole 3 minutes.....kudos.

Get a life you loser.

[Lafuerza]

"ok, now how bout we hear from someone who isnt a complete retard?"

J, I'm afraid people aren't listening. Oh well.

[Brideshead]

"ok, now how bout we hear from someone who isnt a complete retard?"

J, I'm afraid people aren't listening. Oh well.

You will never be known as a wit.

[Roadblock7611]

For anyone who's joining us late, here's the pic in that spawned the thread.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v701/pennygrrl/96-1020ministry.jpg

So all this was over a coop pic of a bride of christ riding jesus?

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Im a catholic and an artist (BFA degree). Im not at all offended with that artwork at all. Its art to me. Some people might objectify to it and give an opinion. But everyone's entitled to have one.

Because artistic freedom of expressions are sometimes mocked (modern masters gone through the same with some of their best works mind you)..like at onetime, an artist in Brooklyn who made christ a woman stir quite a controversy. Art isnt something to be taken literal.

There are enough "Issues" of greater importance around us let alone art to be the focus of everyone else's attention.

~Kisses.

HTG

[Brideshead]

For anyone who's joining us late, here's the pic that spawned this thread.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v701/pennygrrl/96-1020ministry.jpg

I am a catholic,and I love and live my faith, but this is much ado about nothing.

[Brideshead]

There are other more important issues in the world that needs to be discussed and resolved. Why are people wasting their time on this? I don't like the imagery, but I am not going to go spastic over it. How about hate crimes against transexuals maybe we should be discussing how to stop that, or maybe how to help transgendered people become more accepted by mainstream society.

[Brideshead]

There are other more important issues in the world that needs to be discussed and resolved. Why are people wasting their time on this? I don't like the imagery, but I am not going to go spastic over it. How about hate crimes against transexuals maybe we should be discussing how to stop that, or maybe how to help transgendered people become more accepted by mainstream society.

[Brideshead]

There are more important issues to be discussing.

[Quinn]

Man you guys are fringing shocking me, i never ever knew people to be anti-bible, anti-god. Our god shouldnt be ever compare to a terriost's god never.Not all christains dislike gay people and disapprove of them and there lifestyle. im shock all of my life ive never knew people to hate or not believe the bible or its contents!This is a very deep young man. Read, and you just may learn something here... like why abortion is still legal.

LOL... Yes, the “Legend” has become quite legendary during his time here. Now, we call have a much better understanding of what it must have been like to take the short yellow bus to school.

-Quinn

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

There are other more important issues in the world that needs to be discussed and resolved. Why are people wasting their time on this? I don't like the imagery, but I am not going to go spastic over it. How about hate crimes against transexuals maybe we should be discussing how to stop that, or maybe how to help transgendered people become more accepted by mainstream society.

Amen Brideshead. Thats is far more substantial topic to be discussing than splitting hairs about an artwork. I agree! :wink:

~Kisses.

HTG

[tsntx]

For anyone who's joining us late, here's the pic that spawned this thread.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v701/pennygrrl/96-1020ministry.jpg

I am a catholic,and I love and live my faith, but this is much ado about nothing.

im not catholic but i do consider myself christian... and this is retarded this couldnt possibly have offended anyone ON THIS SITE for sure... esp not someone in the adult ent. world

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

few things that have "offended" me on this site................

#1: that shit to mouth topic earlier today..............YUCK, I mean YUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#2: the fake thugs

and last but not least

#3: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/3108/sameagle1.jpg

[Quinn]

LMAO.... I hear your, JWB. Number one and number two (pardon the pun) rate high on my list, but number three is truly onerous.

-Quinn

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

lol, Quinn................so glad we see EYE to EYE

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[MoonAndStar]

LMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOO ..... JWBL you just made my day.... :wink:

[tsntx]

#3 didnt work for me what was it

[Adam_Thompson]

Great Post

http://www.geocities.com/torontodreaming/film/photos/egghead.jpg

[MacShreach]

Im a catholic and an artist (BFA degree). Im not at all offended with that artwork at all. Its art to me. Some people might objectify to it and give an opinion. But everyone's entitled to have one.

Because artistic freedom of expressions are sometimes mocked (modern masters gone through the same with some of their best works mind you)..like at onetime, an artist in Brooklyn who made christ a woman stir quite a controversy. Art isnt something to be taken literal.

There are enough "Issues" of greater importance around us let alone art to be the focus of everyone else's attention.

~Kisses.

HTG

See I thought you were interesting. At the risk of going radically off-topic here, I wonder how many TS/TG have been to art school or had other arts training?


Mac (BA Hons Sculpture)

[MacShreach]

#3 didnt work for me what was it

What browser are you using babe?

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Im a catholic and an artist (BFA degree). Im not at all offended with that artwork at all. Its art to me. Some people might objectify to it and give an opinion. But everyone's entitled to have one.

Because artistic freedom of expressions are sometimes mocked (modern masters gone through the same with some of their best works mind you)..like at onetime, an artist in Brooklyn who made christ a woman stir quite a controversy. Art isnt something to be taken literal.

There are enough "Issues" of greater importance around us let alone art to be the focus of everyone else's attention.

~Kisses.

HTG

See I thought you were interesting. At the risk of going radically off-topic here, I wonder how many TS/TG have been to art school or had other arts training?


Mac (BA Hons Sculpture)

Thanks MacShreach. I have no clue what the statistics are about TS/TG women on getting college education..But Its wise that they "try" atleast. Its a good back up when everything else fails. Just me though. I cant speak for the majority.

~Kisses.

HTG

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Hey Arianna, Good to hear..So what does an autoclave do? I had my eyebrows permanently tattoo'ed to the shape I want (I went to a licensed aesthetician for that). So would an aesthetician who does permanent make up also have an autoclave?

~Kisses.

HTG

[chefmike]

more religious hysteria from miss vicki....

[ezed]

more religious hysteria from miss vicki....

ahhh,....chef? I think this is the wrong board. The last post appears to be November. I think it died.

[OutlawKind]

Vicki, sugar pie, honey bunch, I love you and all that, but there isn't anything on this site that isn't offensive to scumfucks like Phelps, Falwell, Robertson, Bush and those of their ilk who call themselves christians (take as an example my avatar). And, of course, you do realize that it was because of you, me, and everyone who frequents this site that 9/11 happened, don't you? Oh yes it was, just ask Fat Ass Falwell. (but, whatever you do, don't google "Loose Change", K?)
Praise cheeses, t-girl, when it comes to being offensive and really really stupid nobody does it better than those who call themselves christian.

[blackgrendel]

If we are all gonna get hung up about appropraite or not appropriate then Christians out there the name of this place is "HUNGANGELS". Surely that's a sin...mocking if ya like.

Get over your hang ups people. Live life and accept that at times your views are gonna be contrary to others.
As for me...I could not give a toss one way or the other!

[Felicia Katt]

I think people should draw a distinction between Christian and Christianist. The term "Christianist" refers specifically to people whose principal use for Christianity is to advance their secular power, analogous to the way Islamists distort a great religion for political power. Being a Christian is about following the example and teaching of Christ. Christ was never about hatred or intolerance and I think he would be appalled at those wrongs being done in his name.

FK

[plainBob]

Ms. Katt truely a ray of light in our dark times.

[OutlawKind]

I agree Felicia (you beautiful babe, you), hence the lack of capitalization. Too subtle, I suppose. No offense to those who are followers of The Prince of Peace.

[ezed]

I think people should draw a distinction between Christian and Christianist. The term "Christianist" refers specifically to people whose principal use for Christianity is to advance their secular power, analogous to the way Islamists distort a great religion for political power. Being a Christian is about following the example and teaching of Christ. Christ was never about hatred or intolerance and I think he would be appalled at those wrongs being done in his name.

FK

hey Felica, am I on drugs? How the fuck did this thread come alive again, weren't we naked eating popcorn watching this topic on another thread? What the fuck is happening. I feel like I'm at a Grateful Dead Concert.

[OutlawKind]

EZED wrote: "I feel like I'm at a Grateful Dead Concert."

Ramrod just passed away. Lung cancer. R.I.P.

[ezed]

MODERATORS!!!! MODERATORS!!!! RENAME THIS THREAD......THE "TWIGHT LIGHT ZONE"!!!!!!!

HURRAY!!!!!

[Felicia Katt]

aww, thanks Guys, I do try to walk the talk, but trust me, I am no saint :)
Ask anyone who has met me at Peanut and they will tell you if am on my knees, its not to pray LOL

FK