I've have $75k to spend on porn...

[GroobySteven]

Ok who has the ideas? The paysite model has waned for many new sites and although we're still opening a few new sites, we're looking at other avenues.
Our blog network is doing well, our sites like http://www.tgirls.com is pretty awesome and our new cam site, http://www.tgirl-cams.com seems to be a success in it's first week.

We have DVD's, VOD's, Mobile, free forums and more ...

... so what do we do next?

I've $75k to invest in projects in the next few months. It could be one project, it could be many. What would YOU buy. What is missing from the TS porn scene. If you had the $75k what would you do with it to make more money, in the adult TS business.

Let's see what we can put together. Anybody with killer ideas who doesn't want to talk about it here but can bring something to the table and looking for partners, you can get me on admin@grooby.com

As mad or mundane as it may sounds. Let's talk.

[NatashaLover]

check your email :-)

[Mac_Hine]

i still love the paysite model. it's easy to sign-up to and has the kind of content that i want. personalized cam shows don't really do anything for me.

what about a site featuring only mainland european tgirls? it seems to be an underrepresented area in the tranny porn market, even though there's a ton of hotties over there.

[rockabilly]

Give Buddy Wood a big budget on his next dvd ..... make it epic.

[Willie Escalade]

Give Buddy Wood a big budget on his next dvd ..... make it epic.
I second this. :D

[partlycloudy]

tap into the israeli market.

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=46838

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=47095

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=34826


:idea:

[dante]

I can spend that money for you

[sunairco]

Are you limiting yourself to the TS market? Aside from needing more representation of other nationalities, most TS productions are pretty much plain vanilla. Scant few mature or non-bdsm fetish productions compared to straight films. The sector with the disposable income isn't the 20-30 y/o crowd that grew up relatively free from many fetishes imposed on them. There's a vast, untapped market that would appeal to 45+ y/o males. It doesn't take genius to look at some vintage erotica boards and take a log of what they seem to be looking for and dislike in current adult media trends. I'm 50+, I haven't bought a single DVD since Joanna's tool video, nor have I joined a pay website. Not because I'm cheap, I just haven't seen very much that I'd be willing to pull out my credit card. I don't see the point into expanding into other risky media venues when what's available isn't meeting expectations. We don't need a mobile app service that locates and recommends available TS venues and provider services on subscription...yet

[GroobySteven]

i still love the paysite model. it's easy to sign-up to and has the kind of content that i want. personalized cam shows don't really do anything for me.

what about a site featuring only mainland european tgirls? it seems to be an underrepresented area in the tranny porn market, even though there's a ton of hotties over there.

Apart from the UK models we get, everytime we try to get Euro shoots it doesn't seem to pan out (models from mainland Europe have actually came to UK to shoot for us). One thing, so many of the tgirls in Europe are actually Brazil/Argie and other S.Americans that it's probably cheaper and easier to go there. Good real European tgirls are harder to find.

Good thoughts though, thanks and will look into expanding more.

[GroobySteven]

Give Buddy Wood a big budget on his next dvd ..... make it epic.

Buddy Wood is the Sam Peckinpah of the tgirl films ... he gets good budgets, shoots incredible content with awesome models and then tinkers and edits himself to the point that I have to take it away from him at gunpoint. A bigger budget would just need a bigger gun.
Morgan Bailey's Bad Day - coming soon (originally scheduled for Dec).

[GroobySteven]

Are you limiting yourself to the TS market? Aside from needing more representation of other nationalities, most TS productions are pretty much plain vanilla. Scant few mature or non-bdsm fetish productions compared to straight films. The sector with the disposable income isn't the 20-30 y/o crowd that grew up relatively free from many fetishes imposed on them. There's a vast, untapped market that would appeal to 45+ y/o males. It doesn't take genius to look at some vintage erotica boards and take a log of what they seem to be looking for and dislike in current adult media trends. I'm 50+, I haven't bought a single DVD since Joanna's tool video, nor have I joined a pay website. Not because I'm cheap, I just haven't seen very much that I'd be willing to pull out my credit card. I don't see the point into expanding into other risky media venues when what's available isn't meeting expectations. We don't need a mobile app service that locates and recommends available TS venues and provider services on subscription...yet

Thanks for the input. Well for us, we are meeting expectations on most of our sites and they also already have mobile services attached which add extra revenue on top. Yes we're mainly looking at TS because we already have the traffic, the contacts and the backbone. I don't deny there is a market for specific niches within the tgirl niche but the potential pool of members is too small for many sub-niches to allow too much investment, which is why Shemale Yum is kind of a catch all for different types of models.

I've been buying up the old Shemale Climax books (Grooby is creating an archive of shemale porn from the past) and I do think they have something but maybe it's just nostalgia. We've somewhat tried to do that with ShemalePornstar (create better scenes, better made up models, etc). I'm not sure where we can go with the "vintage" stuff and ideas, within our area though.

Thanks will keep notes of all you've said.

[atomic1975]

Classic porn. There should be a decent retro shemales site out there

[tsbrenda]

show genitals and breast is considered taboo in japan.
i have been there and all there porn the part or mosaicked out but there are plenty of HJ/BJ bars everywhere

[spunktrumpet]

Seanchai,
First off let me say awesome shoot with hazel tucker this month, as for the new content you're looking for I think a site along the lines of insex.com but with tgirls would be a winner. I love that type of content but I always find myself wishing it was a tgirl in the scenes. I could picture girls like jesse or hazel being up for that sort of thing. Anyway just my opinion but a site like that that regularly updates would definately get my $29.99 a month.

[Matty0960]

I think there is a major shortage of Self Facials in Shemale Porn. Maybe you could do a couple updates with all/some self facial videos :) Would love to see Jezebelle and Mariana Cordoba do self facial videos :)

[phobun]

Ok who has the ideas? The paysite model has waned for many new sites and although we're still opening a few new sites, we're looking at other avenues.
Our blog network is doing well, our sites like http://www.tgirls.com is pretty awesome and our new cam site, http://www.tgirl-cams.com seems to be a success in it's first week.

We have DVD's, VOD's, Mobile, free forums and more ...

... so what do we do next?

I've $75k to invest in projects in the next few months. It could be one project, it could be many. What would YOU buy. What is missing from the TS porn scene. If you had the $75k what would you do with it to make more money, in the adult TS business.

Let's see what we can put together. Anybody with killer ideas who doesn't want to talk about it here but can bring something to the table and looking for partners, you can get me on admin@grooby.com

As mad or mundane as it may sounds. Let's talk.


My impression is that Ladyboypussy.com shot a year's worth of stuff in one go and created a website for the post-op niche market, but it is just recycled now.

There is no one offering that niche new content. That is what I think is missing.

[diggitydawg]

you could do something like the mask for ts lovers. set up a member ship system and choose one lucky member a months to film a scene with one of the models.

[Silcc69]

Well what about a BBW shemale DVD? I'm just sayin though there isn't alot of those out there.

[Jericho]

Most amateur sites are fukkin dire, but, judging by the popularity of this thread:
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=21740

Maybe something along those lines with a bit of grooby elbow polish on it?

[Silcc69]

Lollllllllllllllll

[scroller]

My impression is that Ladyboypussy.com shot a year's worth of stuff in one go and created a website for the post-op niche market, but it is just recycled now. There is no one offering that niche new content. That is what I think is missing.

I wonder why that is? Maybe because it's the dumbest idea ever?

[sunairco]

Steven, do you operate with a target demographic ?

[shemale-411]

I would make a reality show/site. The reason a forum like this is popular is that there is the interaction between the girls these guys love and thier public. The model site format is drying up, has been for some time. The free pics available everywhere almost guarantee it.

I looked at the reaction to the recent pics I posted of Kayla and Heather. I honestly think reality porn, following a girl day to day, someone the guys love would be very interesting and salable. Kayla suggested a house with several girls in it, but then you get the drama that goes along with that, but that what sells also!

As a seed of an idea, to be built on. Follow Kayla as she goes to LA to seek pornstardom and an AVN. Daily VLOGS, webcam appearances, the party scene. Her encounters can be vidoed, uploaded raw in a PPV format, and edited for DVD sale later. Have a couple more girls at differnet carrer levels to round out the house.

Whether it succeeds or not, the content you get alone after a month or 2 would seruiously balance out teh investment.

[tsmandy]

dude, I'm telling you. Hire me to run a g/g site with lots of fetish/bdsm and extreme hardcore.

[MiamiTaylor]

What about some translesbian action of some sort. Most people I have asked have told me they think it is hot.

I know I love to play with other gtirls. Some of the best threesomes I have been involved in had just tgirls and GG's.

Kisses
Miami

[tinamem]

I always thought a private island resort would be awesome. You'd need far more than $75K to set it up though.

Something along the lines of those Jamaican sex resorts, but with all you can eat Trannies for a large nightly fee.

You could sign up all the Grooby models, and punters could select from a pool of girls for their accompaniment at said resort.

Probably a bit far-fetched, but would be cool nontheless.

[Jericho]

I always thought a private island resort would be awesome. You'd need far more than $75K to set it up though.

Something along the lines of those Jamaican sex resorts, but with all you can eat Trannies for a large nightly fee.

You could sign up all the Grooby models, and punters could select from a pool of girls for their accompaniment at said resort.

Probably a bit far-fetched, but would be cool nontheless.

And you could have Ruby the midget running around shout "Hey boss, da plane, da plane"! :lol:

[Inigo_Montoya]

I've said and suggested before that the porn industry (especially t-girl industry) would benefit greatly by going back to the 70's style era of adult FILM. Flicks like Taboo and The Substitute are perfect models for a 'new' direction for the Trans-porn industry.

Aside from that, Seanchai, take a look at what other sites are doing. Lustomic.com is AWESOME, but unfortunately they don't update that often, everyone loves hardcore trans comics, but they're a bit too pricy.
Shooting from the hip, I almost want to say I'd like to see something like Ultimate Surrender for Tgirls.
Anybody else interested in seeing Mandy Mitchell wrestle Danielle Fox, only to be beaten, then strap-on fucked by Danielle?
The problem with most Trans porn is it all still feels as though it's in it's infancy. The stars are always snickering or grinning, so many of the shots are still amateur, and there's rarely anything innovative or even different.
Morgan's Bad Day seems like one of those rare 'innovations' for trans porn, just like Brittney's Transformation almost was, but I'm worried that it'll be another two years before I see anything like it attempted again.
I've got hundreds of ideas, if you're ever interested.

[MiamiTaylor]

I always thought a private island resort would be awesome. You'd need far more than $75K to set it up though.

Something along the lines of those Jamaican sex resorts, but with all you can eat Trannies for a large nightly fee.

You could sign up all the Grooby models, and punters could select from a pool of girls for their accompaniment at said resort.

Probably a bit far-fetched, but would be cool nontheless.

Now that sounds pretty hot. Kind of a great big trannie fuck fest island. Cool sign me up Im there :)

[deadlyray]

A decent amateur transsexual site would be good - models not good enough to make it on SMY may still be good enough to garner an audience... of course you can't pay them like you would a Bee Armitage...

My "Club Kids" thread blew up much to my surprise and I know that those models would not have been good enough to make it on SMY - of course a certain linebacker like bootch would hate you, but hey...

[tinamem]

Now that sounds pretty hot. Kind of a great big trannie fuck fest island. Cool sign me up Im there :)

Exactly....I've had a vision of Thays DuMont waiting on the jetty naked, to show me to my room, where there are some more hot ladies drinking in the spa, waiting for me.

[GroobySteven]

I think there is a major shortage of Self Facials in Shemale Porn. Maybe you could do a couple updates with all/some self facial videos :) Would love to see Jezebelle and Mariana Cordoba do self facial videos :)

Yes always popular but finding models to do it isn't that easy. Will look into it though as I think could have more.

[GroobySteven]

Well what about a BBW shemale DVD? I'm just sayin though there isn't alot of those out there.

Possibilities, we have a http://www.shemalebbw.com blog - I'd have to look at how that does to consider whether it's worth putting out a DVD.
Thanks!

[GroobySteven]

Most amateur sites are fukkin dire, but, judging by the popularity of this thread:
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=21740

Maybe something along those lines with a bit of grooby elbow polish on it?

Been mulling this around for a while but just not sure how to do it right? Def. possibilities though.
Thanks.

[GroobySteven]

Steven, do you operate with a target demographic ?

Yep, potential purchasers of shemale porn!
We have the stats on who our buyers are but we don't do too much testing on ages, income level etc.

[GroobySteven]

dude, I'm telling you. Hire me to run a g/g site with lots of fetish/bdsm and extreme hardcore.

You already have one of them! Why would we need another one?

[GroobySteven]

I would make a reality show/site. The reason a forum like this is popular is that there is the interaction between the girls these guys love and thier public. The model site format is drying up, has been for some time. The free pics available everywhere almost guarantee it.

I looked at the reaction to the recent pics I posted of Kayla and Heather. I honestly think reality porn, following a girl day to day, someone the guys love would be very interesting and salable. Kayla suggested a house with several girls in it, but then you get the drama that goes along with that, but that what sells also!

As a seed of an idea, to be built on. Follow Kayla as she goes to LA to seek pornstardom and an AVN. Daily VLOGS, webcam appearances, the party scene. Her encounters can be vidoed, uploaded raw in a PPV format, and edited for DVD sale later. Have a couple more girls at differnet carrer levels to round out the house.

Whether it succeeds or not, the content you get alone after a month or 2 would seruiously balance out teh investment.

Thanks, I've looked at a few various permutations of this idea and you are right, the amount of content we'd get should negate the big budget this would need - however, the whole idea is fraught with issues. As you know, tgirl models in general would be harder to get to work on this then the porngirl set ups there have been on this. Will investigate ideas further, thanks.

[GroobySteven]

I've said and suggested before that the porn industry (especially t-girl industry) would benefit greatly by going back to the 70's style era of adult FILM. Flicks like Taboo and The Substitute are perfect models for a 'new' direction for the Trans-porn industry.

Aside from that, Seanchai, take a look at what other sites are doing. Lustomic.com is AWESOME, but unfortunately they don't update that often, everyone loves hardcore trans comics, but they're a bit too pricy.
Shooting from the hip, I almost want to say I'd like to see something like Ultimate Surrender for Tgirls.
Anybody else interested in seeing Mandy Mitchell wrestle Danielle Fox, only to be beaten, then strap-on fucked by Danielle?
The problem with most Trans porn is it all still feels as though it's in it's infancy. The stars are always snickering or grinning, so many of the shots are still amateur, and there's rarely anything innovative or even different.
Morgan's Bad Day seems like one of those rare 'innovations' for trans porn, just like Brittney's Transformation almost was, but I'm worried that it'll be another two years before I see anything like it attempted again.
I've got hundreds of ideas, if you're ever interested.

Problem with your content ideas are that the market just isn't big enough to support smaller fetishes in the tgirl niche so unlike the mainstream market, you'd have to do a more catch-all fetish site, which then dilutes the content that the die-hard xxx-fetish or yyy-fetish lovers are looking for.

Did you see "Hazel Does Hollywood" - that had the story as much as the "Morgan Bailey's Bad Day" DVD but these are more a vanity project than an ideal business decision. They cost 2-3 times more to make than a regular DVD yet don't realize 2-3 times the revenue.

[AmyDaly]

Thanks, I've looked at a few various permutations of this idea and you are right, the amount of content we'd get should negate the big budget this would need - however, the whole idea is fraught with issues. As you know, tgirl models in general would be harder to get to work on this then the porngirl set ups there have been on this. Will investigate ideas further, thanks.

Oh i don't know about that, I can think of a few off the top of my head that would be down for this

[tsmandy]

You already have one of them! Why would we need another one?

Because I have a solo site and that limits the scope of my audience to people who find me attractive, whereas a broader girl/girl site would appeal to a much broader range of people who find that sort of content appealing. If I had the money I would launch it in a heartbeat. Sooner or later I probably will. Maybe someone will beat me to it. But you could make money off of it.

[GroobySteven]

Because I have a solo site and that limits the scope of my audience to people who find me attractive, whereas a broader girl/girl site would appeal to a much broader range of people who find that sort of content appealing. If I had the money I would launch it in a heartbeat. Sooner or later I probably will. Maybe someone will beat me to it. But you could make money off of it.


I really don't think paysites especially expensive ones like this would be, are too viable any longer. It's not of my business but I would have thought a certain business woman based not too far from my home city, should have been the first person you went to.

[fordly66]

What about a "caucasian shemale site"? Seems to be the only race without a dedicated site. Just a thought. I also would love a "post-op site", but everyone seems to be afraid to do that. And I know about ladyboyp@ssy, and they screwed that site up with no updates!

[GroobySteven]

What about a "caucasian shemale site"? Seems to be the only race without a dedicated site. Just a thought. I also would love a "post-op site", but everyone seems to be afraid to do that. And I know about ladyboyp@ssy, and they screwed that site up with no updates!

Shemale Yum is almost all Caucasians and they have a post-op section (of whiteys) - I don't think a 100% postop site is sustainable both in terms of getting enough models and members.
Thanks

[tsmandy]

I really don't think paysites especially expensive ones like this would be, are too viable any longer. It's not of my business but I would have thought a certain business woman based not too far from my home city, should have been the first person you went to.

Whether it be paysite, VOD or a series doesn't really matter to me. My point is that this is a vastly under-explored area of TS porn, and one that I think shows a lot of promise if shot and marketed correctly.

I don't know why I would go to anyone asking for money from your hometown. You posted a thread saying you have 75k to spend on porn what should you do.

but sure...have fun with tranny hooker island.com

[rockabilly]

Would the ladies be voted off the island Survivor style ?

[tsbrenda]

you have the data.

you have the power.



Yep, potential purchasers of shemale porn!
We have the stats on who our buyers are but we don't do too much testing on ages, income level etc.

[GroobySteven]

Whether it be paysite, VOD or a series doesn't really matter to me. My point is that this is a vastly under-explored area of TS porn, and one that I think shows a lot of promise if shot and marketed correctly.

I don't know why I would go to anyone asking for money from your hometown. You posted a thread saying you have 75k to spend on porn what should you do.

but sure...have fun with tranny hooker island.com

I said not too far from my hometown, ie; Amsterdam.

I think your idea does have potential and I've told you how much I like your stuff.

[GroobySteven]

you have the data.

you have the power.

People who have money to spend on shemale porn. Why would I give that information away?

[tsmandy]

I said not too far from my hometown, ie; Amsterdam.

I think your idea does have potential and I've told you how much I like your stuff.

Oh. Well she has never asked publicly what kind of porn people would want to see for x amount of dollars.

I plan on continuing to run my solo site, I just have other aspirations as far as porn go.

I would be into doing some directing for a series (like a collection per se) that could be released on DVD or VOD.

I'm fairly certain I could turn a decent profit on $75k depending on how fast of a turn around was required.

[GroobySteven]

Oh. Well she has never asked publicly what kind of porn people would want to see for x amount of dollars.

I plan on continuing to run my solo site, I just have other aspirations as far as porn go.

I would be into doing some directing for a series (like a collection per se) that could be released on DVD or VOD.

I'm fairly certain I could turn a decent profit on $75k depending on how fast of a turn around was required.


Let's continue on email ...

[tsbrenda]

how much is it worth to you?

say 10% of the 75k or 10% of the profits





People who have money to spend on shemale porn. Why would I give that information away?

[the3ra]

i still haven't seen many interracial scenes.
you probably couldn't get much more than a couple DVDs out of the idea, but it's there.
I mean BBC kind of stuff with 10" cocks.

[slinky]

I'm fairly certain I could turn a decent profit on $75k depending on how fast of a turn around was required.

It's funny seeing how much the the industry is still claiming to be doing "great" or "better than ever" when I know it's in the toilet. Even the huge companies with huge budgets, tons of inside/cross sales, lower costs because they have everyone on salary (except the talent) so adding a site is largely the cost of talent for enough content to open the site. But you still have to pay for outside sales, and almost all of them have a PPS model, so even they can't make money on most of the new sites they open. We're actually in the process of pitching them a theme/reality TS site which I think is very unique, but at the same time there is evidence from a few of the other sites which have opened within the last few years, I think it has great potential. But I don't think they are going to pull the trigger because even these guys, who everything they touched turned to gold recently opened a very slick, high $ talent site and it's doing shit. So I think they believe "you can't make money of TS anymore"; what I think is that they haven't followed the arc of TS sites enough to see that TS sites have become as specific as "straight" sites, and the site they put together is technically great, with really well shot and edited content, with a high end talent, it's just too hard in today's environment to sell non-niched TS porn.
But (ironically, since they did one of the first TS sites from a "big company" and they have made a ton of money from it over the years), I don't think they will start ANY new TS site now matter how good the concept is.

I think with the state of the industry being what it is, the most likely outcome for anyone spending $75,000 from the ground up is that they will be out $75,000 in 6 to 10 months.

[yodajazz]

I don't really know the details of how much profit is made in the business, but I know that products which crossover into wider markets generally make more profits. Check out the quality of the scene in this old ts movie.

http://www.spankwire.com/TS-Pamela-fucking-GG-Sharon-Kane/video204062

I have long felt that a ts movie that was had a strong plot/dialogue could be marketed to reach different audiences. Especially if there was enough content to take out the hardest stuff to make a version that could be sold to cable tv/Playboy channel type media. And one genre that is not used a lot is comedy. I think that was part of the success of "Deep Throat". The comedic content helped ease away people discomfort at seeing hardcore sex with their friends.

[BrendaQG]

Have you considered opening a strip club(s) which would employ only transsexuals? As far as I know there is only one such club in the world, Diva's in San Francisco. That shows that such a club can work. You just need the right site and the right people working for you. No rigamarole with credit cards or other internet BS. Cold cash in the hand, the best way to do business.

The hardest part would be finding the right piece of real estate for the club.

Or you could always donate it to charitable causes which would help the transsexual community that played a role in making you money.

[GroobySteven]

Have you considered opening a strip club(s) which would employ only transsexuals? As far as I know there is only one such club in the world, Diva's in San Francisco. That shows that such a club can work. You just need the right site and the right people working for you. No rigamarole with credit cards or other internet BS. Cold cash in the hand, the best way to do business.

The hardest part would be finding the right piece of real estate for the club.

Or you could always donate it to charitable causes which would help the transsexual community that played a role in making you money.

I wouldn't go into bricks and mortar.

My charitable contributions are no business of yours.

[GroobySteven]

how much is it worth to you?

say 10% of the 75k or 10% of the profits

Zero. Not interested in working with you whatsoever.

[BrendaQG]

I wouldn't go into bricks and mortar.

My charitable contributions are no business of yours.


I was just making a suggestion. Doing such a thing would build up goodwill with your labor force. It could also muzzle certain critics of the industry who wear out the ole "porn is exploitative" line. But like you said it's none of our business.

[elleusion]

For the girls.

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

I always wanted to see a site in the style of Max Hardcore for tgirl performers. I'm getting really tired of seeing the same 5 uninspired positions/activities... Can we have something kinda fucked up?

[rockabilly]

Pics Jamie.

Fucked up to one person is tame to another.

[rockabilly]

How bout a tgirl version of Suicide Girls or Burning Angel?

Emo/Goth tgirls w/ piercings and ink , vids done w/ a punk rock edge , live web cam shows etc.

[GroobySteven]

I always wanted to see a site in the style of Max Hardcore for tgirl performers. I'm getting really tired of seeing the same 5 uninspired positions/activities... Can we have something kinda fucked up?
Yeah have you seen any of Max's recent work?

[evil_twin]

How about you give that $75k to Mimi Plastique & Balley Jay so they can each do a hardcore boy girl scene.

[partlycloudy]

How bout a tgirl version of Suicide Girls or Burning Angel?

Emo/Goth tgirls w/ piercings and ink , vids done w/ a punk rock edge , live web cam shows etc.
http://www.shemalepunk.com/

http://punk.hottesttgirls.com/

[rockabilly]

Everything has been done before , the key is to do it better.

[partlycloudy]

coyote some brasilian ts into the u.s.

:idea:

[britneymarkham]

give buddy a budget to do a 420 dvd with me hehe

[MissBStar]

How bout a tgirl version of Suicide Girls or Burning Angel?

Emo/Goth tgirls w/ piercings and ink , vids done w/ a punk rock edge , live web cam shows etc.

I think the newer generation of TGirls are definately gonna be this style. if you went for a SG (suicide girl) idea it would most def have to be international. Free.. and be like a cult following.... It would need to be free for a long time, then take regristration.. then after about a year of building memberships incure 2.95-3.95 AutomaticREcur billing.

I've been thinking about doing edgy TGirl pr0n for a long long time. My site was going to specialize in streaming recorded and live content to people around the world with an edgy modern look.

Anyone out there want to be business partners? I just need a backer ;)

checkout my personal site until then TSBrenda.com (I'm working on it here and there)

[tsbrenda]

or by paying for it from some one with experience such as a consultant.

WHAT YOU ARE ASKING IS SOMETHING FOR NOTHING.

I DON'T THINK SO.
PAY FOR THE INFORMATION YOU WANT!

MARKET RESEARCH COST. SURVEYS COST MONEY AND TIME.

PAY FOR PEOPLES TIME. TIME IS MONEY!

PAY FOR WHAT YOU WANT AND DON'T ASK FOR FREE INFORMATION.


I COULD TAKE $XXX AND INVEST IT RATHER THEN GIVE YOU THE INFO AND YOU make the money with the info and not give up any consideration such as $$$$.


Zero. Not interested in working with you whatsoever.

[pman618]

Get TS Ivy and Jennifer Paris to show their cocks... You'll make a fortune.

[tsbrenda]

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/mba0816l.jpg

why would I give info away that I paid for? either by trial/error basically research
or by paying for it from some one with experience such as a consultant.

WHAT YOU ARE ASKING IS SOMETHING FOR NOTHING.

I DON'T THINK SO.
PAY FOR THE INFORMATION YOU WANT!

MARKET RESEARCH COST. SURVEYS COST MONEY AND TIME.

PAY FOR PEOPLES TIME. TIME IS MONEY!

PAY FOR WHAT YOU WANT AND DON'T ASK FOR FREE INFORMATION.


I COULD TAKE $XXX AND INVEST IT RATHER THEN GIVE YOU THE INFO AND YOU make the money with the info and not give up any consideration such as $$$$.


or by paying for it from some one with experience such as a consultant.

WHAT YOU ARE ASKING IS SOMETHING FOR NOTHING.

I DON'T THINK SO.
PAY FOR THE INFORMATION YOU WANT!

MARKET RESEARCH COST. SURVEYS COST MONEY AND TIME.

PAY FOR PEOPLES TIME. TIME IS MONEY!

PAY FOR WHAT YOU WANT AND DON'T ASK FOR FREE INFORMATION.


I COULD TAKE $XXX AND INVEST IT RATHER THEN GIVE YOU THE INFO AND YOU make the money with the info and not give up any consideration such as $$$$.

[GroobySteven]

why would I give info away that I paid for? either by trial/error basically research
or by paying for it from some one with experience such as a consultant.

WHAT YOU ARE ASKING IS SOMETHING FOR NOTHING.

I DON'T THINK SO.
PAY FOR THE INFORMATION YOU WANT!

MARKET RESEARCH COST. SURVEYS COST MONEY AND TIME.

PAY FOR PEOPLES TIME. TIME IS MONEY!

PAY FOR WHAT YOU WANT AND DON'T ASK FOR FREE INFORMATION.


I COULD TAKE $XXX AND INVEST IT RATHER THEN GIVE YOU THE INFO AND YOU make the money with the info and not give up any consideration such as $$$$.

Boo - hoo, I don't need to buy a used car from you. I'm doing a simple research onto what people want in their porn. Quit your whining - and quit your begging PM's to me.

[pman618]

seanchi - I still think my idea would get you a fortune! haha

[tsbrenda]

you with for any info that makes him richer?


seanchi - I still think my idea would get you a fortune! haha

[marvrage]

fan site... fans can get a shot at the women!!

[fred41]

A 3D TS movie...very cutting edge ,..very Avatar.






....I know , I know - not fiscally possible..but one day the fans will be able to watch their favorite Grooby film with the girl pointing the goods straight at 'em...lol.

[Jericho]

you with for any info that makes him richer?

It's too late to walk away from this with any semblance of dignity (that train's long gone), but really, you should stop now. :neutral:

[tsbrenda]

I won't

what dignity is in giving info away

when some will pay for the info

[tsbrenda]

wait till she goes blind then ask her out on a date



LOL LOL LOL LOL lol lol lol


http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/mba0816l.jpg

why would I give info away that I paid for? either by trial/error basically research
or by paying for it from some one with experience such as a consultant.

WHAT YOU ARE ASKING IS SOMETHING FOR NOTHING.

I DON'T THINK SO.
PAY FOR THE INFORMATION YOU WANT!

MARKET RESEARCH COST. SURVEYS COST MONEY AND TIME.

PAY FOR PEOPLES TIME. TIME IS MONEY!

PAY FOR WHAT YOU WANT AND DON'T ASK FOR FREE INFORMATION.


I COULD TAKE $XXX AND INVEST IT RATHER THEN GIVE YOU THE INFO AND YOU make the money with the info and not give up any consideration such as $$$$.

[Jericho]

I won't
what dignity is in giving info away
when some will pay for the info


My own fault...I forgot who was posting! :shrug

[substanceD]

Seanchai, If I were you I'd put the money towards mobile phone porn. It's a big part of wireless traffic, and in fact, service providers count on gambling and porn to recoup the losses spent on 3/4g networks.
Do some catering to the iPhone crowd, see how it plays out. I'm pretty sure you'd be the only TS porn site for iPhones, which is a big deal, since they can't go to any flash porn site. You'd have an instant monopoly. Same story with iPads.

[TsJennifer]

Get TS Ivy and Jennifer Paris to show their cocks... You'll make a fortune.


lol... Thanks for thinking of me babe.

XOXO~

Jennifer

http://www.JenniferParis.net

[Silcc69]

Jennifer Paris in a in a french setting for a DVD would be good.

[pman618]

JP in any setting would be pretty damn hot... especially my place!

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

Yeah have you seen any of Max's recent work?
Not that I've been keeping up or anything, no. I'm just talking about the general vibe.

I've been trying to get my male talent to take a little more initiative but they always puss out on me, as if I'm fragile or something.

[GroobySteven]

Not that I've been keeping up or anything, no. I'm just talking about the general vibe.

I've been trying to get my male talent to take a little more initiative but they always puss out on me, as if I'm fragile or something.

He's been in prison for the last few months on part of his 46 month stay when prosecuted for obscenity charges, so please be careful!

[GroobySteven]

Seanchai, If I were you I'd put the money towards mobile phone porn. It's a big part of wireless traffic, and in fact, service providers count on gambling and porn to recoup the losses spent on 3/4g networks.
Do some catering to the iPhone crowd, see how it plays out. I'm pretty sure you'd be the only TS porn site for iPhones, which is a big deal, since they can't go to any flash porn site. You'd have an instant monopoly. Same story with iPads.

Thanks - we do already have mobile content!

[GroobySteven]

I won't

what dignity is in giving info away

when some will pay for the info

Hey, don't get the hump up because I don't want to work with you.
You've no credibility - your selling nothing.
Quit being a bitch.

[slinky]

Yeah have you seen any of Max's recent work?

You mean the answers to the Summons and Complaint?

[slinky]

lol... Thanks for thinking of me babe.

XOXO~

Jennifer

http://www.JenniferParis.net

Hey, I've even got some of the content shot for it already. ;).

[GroobySteven]

You mean the answers to the Summons and Complaint?

Yep ... Max Hardcore's Wears The Soap!

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

Oh - that? Yeah I know all about that... Yeah, kind of screwed the pooch there with a distributor that was a little to lax with that community's obscenity ordinance. Kind of a complicated mess but he wasn't really placed on trial for the content itself but the red tape involved with his DVD distribution. Jurors actually apologized to him on the way out of the courtroom, but the law is the law. He's doing his stint here in Texas actually.

I don't release DVDs anywhere so whatever goofy stuff I end up recording in the future should remain pretty safe in the no man's land of the internet.


He's been in prison for the last few months on part of his 46 month stay when prosecuted for obscenity charges, so please be careful!

[GroobySteven]

I don't release DVDs anywhere so whatever goofy stuff I end up recording in the future should remain pretty safe in the no man's land of the internet.

Nonononoonono Jamie. You need to research this. Obscenity laws are on the internet and they will come after you. They follow the money, so even if you had servers in another country they could arrest you in Bumfuck, USA.

You are being a little naive - do your research and only push the envelope if your willing to put yourself in their crosshairs. Unlikely, yes but not impossible.

[phobun]

Hey, don't get the hump up because I don't want to work with you.
You've no credibility - your selling nothing.
Quit being a bitch.


LOL

too funny

[Tepres]

Max will be back doing what he was doing before he got convicted.
And he likely wont get locked up again. There are active pornographers working now, who make MH look tame by comparison. Most, if not all of them, won't do any time either.

Don't be afraid to experiment with the darkside, seanchai.

[tsbrenda]

YOU will laugh at anything you chaser

[SmithXXX]

Seanchai did you get my PM about my idea???

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

You throw around the word 'naive' a little too loosely around me bro. I'm thirty years old have been a hooker for five of those years. I've been homeless, done my fair share of jail time and have seen or been a part of just about every fucked up situation you can think of at some point in time. Fucking a little harder than normal in front of a camera and then selling the results doesn't scare me. Is that really what would qualify me as being naive? Not being scared of selling pictures of fucking? I'm all growed up - I think I can handle it.

[tsmandy]

You are being a little naive - do your research and only push the envelope if your willing to put yourself in their crosshairs. Unlikely, yes but not impossible.

dejavu. Didn't you and I have this same conversation at the tranny awards?

I believe it is possible to shoot activities that have been considered obscene in a manner which is harder to condemn publicly. For instance, Good Releasing - the DVD line for the sex toy company Good Vibrations which is now I believe a subsidiary of Fredricks..., is putting out a squirting series right now, even though John Stagliano is currently facing trial for Joey Silvera's Storm Squirters (amongst other titles). The people at good releasing aren't really all that worried that they are going to get slapped with an obscenity charge. Point being that there are no outlawed sexual activities, simply ways of depicting certain acts which have been deemed offensive.

Now if only our distributors will let me release a movie with fisting, squirting and sex with bondage we will see if my theory is correct.

[GroobySteven]

You throw around the word 'naive' a little too loosely around me bro. I'm thirty years old have been a hooker for five of those years. I've been homeless, done my fair share of jail time and have seen or been a part of just about every fucked up situation you can think of at some point in time. Fucking a little harder than normal in front of a camera and then selling the results doesn't scare me. Is that really what would qualify me as being naive? Not being scared of selling pictures of fucking? I'm all growed up - I think I can handle it.

I'm not your "bro".
What qualifications has being homeless, being a hooker and being in jail give you for knowing the legal boundaries of what you can and cannot do? The only thing that's given you is an attitude and probably poor business skills. I'm trying to give you some free advise, the same as I did the last time your mouth talked you into sounding naive and stupid, but I'm getting tired of.

You are naive in the adult online industry. I'm not talking about "fucking a little harder than normal".
Sure go ahread, be a hero, why the fuck would I care. Take on the US Government, I'm sure with all your amazing life experiences, you are more qualified to deal with it than the way more less experienced, John Stagliano, Max Hardcore and Rob Black. Or you have more experience than I, in running online adult companies.

[GroobySteven]

dejavu. Didn't you and I have this same conversation at the tranny awards?

I believe it is possible to shoot activities that have been considered obscene in a manner which is harder to condemn publicly. For instance, Good Releasing - the DVD line for the sex toy company Good Vibrations which is now I believe a subsidiary of Fredricks..., is putting out a squirting series right now, even though John Stagliano is currently facing trial for Joey Silvera's Storm Squirters (amongst other titles). The people at good releasing aren't really all that worried that they are going to get slapped with an obscenity charge. Point being that there are no outlawed sexual activities, simply ways of depicting certain acts which have been deemed offensive.

Now if only our distributors will let me release a movie with fisting, squirting and sex with bondage we will see if my theory is correct.

Yeah there may be ways around it, there may not and people will certainly try. This government isn't on a soapbox about porn and obscentity like the previous one but that's not to say, some up his ass politician, in your area, is going to want to make an example of you - or that some laws may tighten.

At least you know the laws and the risks, Mandy, unlike some naive "I wanna prove a point, bro." individuals - and can make an informed decision, in fact, you seem to want to push the envelope and test your theory. I've no need to take those sorts of risks, the return on investment isn't there and I've a company with many employees as well as myself to protect.

[tsmandy]

Yeah there may be ways around it, there may not. Certainly this government isn't on a soapbox about it like the previous one but that's not to say, some big up his ass politician, in your area, is going to want to make an example of you.
At least you know the laws and the risks, Mandy, unlike some naive "I wanna prove a point, bro." individuals - and can make an informed decision, in fact, you seem to want to push the envelope and test your theory. I've no need to take those sorts of risks, the return isn't there and I've a company with many employees as well as myself to protect.

I believe the intent and reality of my movies may be misunderstood by the outside observer. The sex I have in my movies, is the sex that I enjoy and practice in my private life. I use my movies as a way for me to have sex with sexual athletes and virtuosos and I like to push myself, but I'm not trying to agitate anyone. I just stand by my right to fuck the way I want to fuck and I'm trying to find a way to make that happen without trouble. I don't think I have a lot to worry about, but if you want someone to worry about just look on down the road and see the girls that are coming.

[Matty0960]

Another thing that I find there is a huge shortage of are group jerk scenes. Just a bunch of shemales sitting around jerking off. With some big name models, I think that would be great. Especially if they are "big shooters" lol

[blue338]

Perhaps a venture featuring mostly athletic models. It is kind of a niche fetish I guess for muscular girls. Just sharing my idea, since I do not think there is a current focus on it in a pay site or dvd manner. :cool:

[HSGear]

Ok who has the ideas? The paysite model has waned for many new sites and although we're still opening a few new sites, we're looking at other avenues.
Our blog network is doing well, our sites like http://www.tgirls.com is pretty awesome and our new cam site, http://www.tgirl-cams.com seems to be a success in it's first week.

We have DVD's, VOD's, Mobile, free forums and more ...

... so what do we do next?

I've $75k to invest in projects in the next few months. It could be one project, it could be many. What would YOU buy. What is missing from the TS porn scene. If you had the $75k what would you do with it to make more money, in the adult TS business.

Let's see what we can put together. Anybody with killer ideas who doesn't want to talk about it here but can bring something to the table and looking for partners, you can get me on admin@grooby.com

As mad or mundane as it may sounds. Let's talk.

open a ts massage parlor

[slinky]

Another thing that I find there is a huge shortage of are group jerk scenes. Just a bunch of shemales sitting around jerking off. With some big name models, I think that would be great. Especially if they are "big shooters" lol

Just remember "group scenes" = multiple talent = High $

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

You know, Stevo - I'm just about tired of this myself. I wrote a very simple response to your thread without any intentions whatsoever of any kind of bickering. I mentioned a controversial name to help describe my suggestion and you had to turn it into something. You have a nasty habit of being as confrontational as possible. It's as if your not happy as long as people are merely talking and not going back and forth like a couple of ninnies.

I brought up a few nasty things in my past to illustrate that I'm not some goody two shoes that has their head in the clouds - I've been around & and although you may not I agree, I know a thing or two.

You can't help but call people names. If I'm so damned naive then where are all the awful consequences that were supposed to have knocked me on my ass by now? If you're so right then why am I so happy? Why is life just fine? Do you really think I get by on luck? I am hands on with everything I do from funding to final render - I don't succeed merely through acquisition. I smooth out rough edges along the way. I'm always learning, improving and never ask anyone to do anything for me.

If I replied to this thread in order to mix it up with you I would have thrown the first punch. I would have called you a douche bag for flaunting your spare change. You're a grown ass man with a multimillion dollar company - don't act as if you don't know how to spend 75 large. And don't give me a bunch of hooey about how your 'sick of it'... no one asked you to be concerned with whether or not I was naive in the first place so don't go getting all upset when someone calls you on name calling.

You want to do something useful with your money? Feed some homeless people, invest in an educational program, pick a charity and run with it. Stop showing off and get back to your friggin' job.




I'm not your "bro".
What qualifications has being homeless, being a hooker and being in jail give you for knowing the legal boundaries of what you can and cannot do? The only thing that's given you is an attitude and probably poor business skills. I'm trying to give you some free advise, the same as I did the last time your mouth talked you into sounding naive and stupid, but I'm getting tired of.

You are naive in the adult online industry. I'm not talking about "fucking a little harder than normal".
Sure go ahread, be a hero, why the fuck would I care. Take on the US Government, I'm sure with all your amazing life experiences, you are more qualified to deal with it than the way more less experienced, John Stagliano, Max Hardcore and Rob Black. Or you have more experience than I, in running online adult companies.

[GroobySteven]

Mentioning you are naive in this industry, is not calling you names, it's suggesting that you don't know the full extent of the industry and the law. It's not about fighting and throwing punches.
You are the one whose confrontational James. Many webmasters won't even work with you because of the way you've handled business and lied on a webmaster board, I tried to give you advise on that and have supported your site across our networks because I think your product is good, because I know you are new and naive to the internet part of this industry and because I thought we could do business together.

Your confrontational and holier than thou, attitude as well as your motor mouth, has soured many to working with you. You've probably just talked yourself out of any future work coming to you, which is a shame, because the edit work you did do for us, was good quality.

You have an overly defensive attitude if someone doesn't agree with you and you will fail in this industry, whether it's through legal issues or simply not getting enough sales, unless you sincerely look at your communication and business skills. You've alienated enough people, why alienate those who were a source of revenue to you, over having to prove what you think you know about the industry.

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

It's your board. I give up. Nothin' I can say at this point... you don't see my day to day workings so you're just not gonna get it.

[Tepres]

It's your board.

seanchai doesn't own this board.

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

Doesn't matter either way - dude likes to cause a stir so I'm out.

[Head]

If you had the $75k what would you do with it to make more money, in the adult TS business.

I'd start a GG&TG site, no hairy ass men.

It would be something like TSSeduction or Shemale Punishers with hot girls. Lorelei Lee for example in a scenario where she is the new student in a girl prep school. But the other girls are shemales and Lorelei gets ravaged by them... You know, the typical futa comic scenario.

And vice versa, a site where a shemale gets gangbanged by several girls. Something like the Divine Bitches site, without the men... A shemale that enters an all girl boarding school and then the others find out that she has a something extra... :D

Or a million other scenarios :)

I think that there is a large gap in the gg/tg niche and I hope that someone is going to fill it real soon. If some one could make a Kink.com/Joey Silvera/Andrea Nobili combo with girls and shemales... Oh boy... :jerkoff:jerkoff:jerkoff

[maximilian]

I think there is a major shortage of Self Facials in Shemale Porn. Maybe you could do a couple updates with all/some self facial videos :) Would love to see Jezebelle and Mariana Cordoba do self facial videos :)

Couldn't agree more. It would be great to see Mariana Cordoba back doing more videos as well. Self facials would be a big plus.

[TheGuard]

Shemale Bangbus

[TheGuard]

Shemale BoozeTits. Inject the mammary gland with tequila, make poor saps drink it then bang a tranny.

[TheGuard]

In all seriousness, I think with the Transsexual market in particular, you're selling a fantasy, so simply put, why not literally sell a fantasy. I'm positive the logistics would be nightmarish, but having the member community involved in the premise or script? I myself miss a bit of the seduction, story, reality, whipping it out and jerking it with no talking or tantalization is a bit too gonzo and over-used for my taste. Try looking at it from the perspective of a guy from a small city, where the only transsexuals we may encounter is the toothless transient near the governor's mansion that tries to stab you then sell you a rock, not crack, just literally a rock they found. I digress. It's not superfluous, I suspect to the majority of your client base, there is a bit of a sense of wonder or mystery, not novelty per se, but exotic, perhaps the reality would demystify? In a way I miss the old 'Tranny Surprise" or tranny "reality" sites. Regardless I think it's amazing that you're seeking input, bravo sir.

[wikid0ne]

well
i might be late to add here
but what about the australian scene

we got a plenty who said theyll work if i could pay em

wat do ya think?

[PapiBear]

I'd use the internet to replecate Japanese "telephone clubs"
At a price/minute let viewers talk to the girls over a camera phone. They could then, potentially, arrange a date. You just act as an expensive phone company for the process.

[GroobySteven]

well
i might be late to add here
but what about the australian scene

we got a plenty who said theyll work if i could pay em

wat do ya think?

If you are a photographer, admin@grooby.com please with details!

[leoberman]

If you were smart you'd put that money towards some sort of collaboration or cobranding or whatever the fuck you call it with Andrea Nobili. This guy has more talent in his pinky finger that all of your U.S. based crew. http://andreanobiliproductions.com/home.php I hate to sound harsh but take a look at his website and you'll see what you should do with that money. Make sure the girls have above-average to large cocks, are fully and completely functional, are able to shoot legitimate, verifiable loads, and are of the mindset that they are in control of the guy or guys. Make it unique by going completely bareback. Think about incorporating some semblance of POV. Bring some elements of Max Hardcore into the equation - piss, bdsm, age-based themes (teacher/student for instance) are already elements in shemale porn. Bring all this together in a themed package w/ DVD's, website etc and you're onto something.

[Jericho]

Given the content, could his videos easily be distributed in the states these days?

[Nicole Dupre]

Given the content, could his videos easily be distributed in the states these days?
Actually CCbill wouldn't let a site launch with piss content.

[Jericho]

That's pretty much what i was thinking (not that i'm into that, but...)

[slinky]

A lot of the big companies don't use third party billing

[Jericho]

Slinky, this is way out of my field.
If you had to take a guess, what % of ts porn uses 3rd party billing, and what % could qualify for top card billing?

[rockabilly]

"Trannies Gone Wild"

Instead of flashing their tits they flash their cocks .... and tits .... then they make out.

[slinky]

Slinky, this is way out of my field.
If you had to take a guess, what % of ts porn uses 3rd party billing, and what % could qualify for top card billing?

Almost impossible to say, because while the vast majority of TS websites use third party billing (because most are run by relatively smallfry), there's really no way of knowing how many sales the big companies do on any of their TS sites. If what you mean by "top card billing" is a Merchant Account? then I think you might be surprised (with the help/payment to an "expediter"/expert) that it's not all that hard to get a Merchant Account... it's just risky because you have to do all your own scrubbing and such, and if you fuck up, you're pretty much barred from getting another one for life.

I'm going to make a very big assumption here and guess that when Grooby went to NATS, they also went from CCBilll to a Merchant Account. (but I'll also bet that they will never admit who was bugging them for months to do so before they did it).

[GroobySteven]

I'm going to make a very big assumption here and guess that when Grooby went to NATS, they also went from CCBilll to a Merchant Account. (but I'll also bet that they will never admit who was bugging them for months to do so before they did it).


Your assumption is in-correct.

[tsbrenda]

what do you mean by "your own scrubbing and such."

DO YOU MEAN CHECK GUARANTEE?




Almost impossible to say, because while the vast majority of TS websites use third party billing (because most are run by relatively smallfry), there's really no way of knowing how many sales the big companies do on any of their TS sites. If what you mean by "top card billing" is a Merchant Account? then I think you might be surprised (with the help/payment to an "expediter"/expert) that it's not all that hard to get a Merchant Account... it's just risky because you have to do all your own scrubbing and such, and if you fuck up, you're pretty much barred from getting another one for life.

I'm going to make a very big assumption here and guess that when Grooby went to NATS, they also went from CCBilll to a Merchant Account. (but I'll also bet that they will never admit who was bugging them for months to do so before they did it).

[sirmartinfrobisher]

as a customer, if it ain't ccbill, I think whoaaa!
As a provider, you might hate them, but look at it from the other side...........
I remember the days, not long ago, when you subscribed to a site, you were contracually bound to remain a member until you were released! Things are different now.........

[tsbrenda]

what do you mean by "your own scrubbing and such."
what do you mean by "your own scrubbing and such."

DO YOU MEAN CHECK GUARANTEE?


what do you mean by "your own scrubbing and such."

DO YOU MEAN CHECK GUARANTEE?



Almost impossible to say, because while the vast majority of TS websites use third party billing (because most are run by relatively smallfry), there's really no way of knowing how many sales the big companies do on any of their TS sites. If what you mean by "top card billing" is a Merchant Account? then I think you might be surprised (with the help/payment to an "expediter"/expert) that it's not all that hard to get a Merchant Account... it's just risky because you have to do all your own scrubbing and such, and if you fuck up, you're pretty much barred from getting another one for life.

I'm going to make a very big assumption here and guess that when Grooby went to NATS, they also went from CCBilll to a Merchant Account. (but I'll also bet that they will never admit who was bugging them for months to do so before they did it).

[luger17]

I'm not sure it can be covered by $75K, but you should get into making sex toys with the likeness of your top performers.

[Nicole Dupre]

what do you mean by "your own scrubbing and such."
what do you mean by "your own scrubbing and such."

DO YOU MEAN CHECK GUARANTEE?:smh

Once again no one knows wtf you're talking about and no one cares. You can't communicate any better than a 2rd grader who watches Sesame Street, and you want a fee for giving business advice? lol

Get back to doing what you do best; being fascinated by bargain basement "surgical" enhancements. And if we need a head count on bottom feeder street hookers, we'll let you know. lol

[slinky]

what do you mean by "your own scrubbing and such."

DO YOU MEAN CHECK GUARANTEE?


If you have over a certain percent of chargebacks, you get heavy penalties and they cancel your account (and in adult, it's a VERY low %. I think right now it's like 0.5%) Scrubbing is the act of rejecting certain sales which are likely to result in a chargeback (like whole countries - specifically China). You may have a list of names who charged back before, you may have some hint that it's a stolen credit card, a lot of different reasons. One of the disadvantages of using 3rd party billing in the first place is that they tend to have a heavy hand at scrubbing, and many experienced webmasters have a better feel for their own sites, watch more carefully for a pattern of chargebacks on their site, etc and are thus able to turn the scrubbing way down. Remember: every scrub is someone who actually joined you site so scrubbing can cost you a lot of money. OTOH, if you don't REALLY know what you are doing, before you know it you have not scrubbed enough, are over the chargeback limit, and.... POOF!!!!!! No More Merchant Accounts for You!!!!! (yes, they are worse than the Soup Nazi).

[slinky]

as a customer, if it ain't ccbill, I think whoaaa!
As a provider, you might hate them, but look at it from the other side...........
I remember the days, not long ago, when you subscribed to a site, you were contracually bound to remain a member until you were released! Things are different now.........


Well................ ummmmmmmm............ to some extent it's going back to the old Wild West days. There are some BIG PLAYERS who are churning and burning, pretending they didn't get the cancellation before the trial period ended, doing cross sales not just with pre-checked boxes, but without even having boxes or notifications of any kind, or notice to the surfer that they just joined a site for $ that's going to recur at $40 a month. And the worst part is they never got a confirmation email, so they don't know who to call or write to, they don't have an account number, so if they try to cancel, they get a huge runaround. I'll let seanchai talk about which one is doing it in the TS niche because I know it's one of his favorite rants ;)

[phobun]

Well................ ummmmmmmm............ to some extent it's going back to the old Wild West days. There are some BIG PLAYERS who are churning and burning, pretending they didn't get the cancellation before the trial period ended, doing cross sales not just with pre-checked boxes, but without even having boxes or notifications of any kind, or notice to the surfer that they just joined a site for $ that's going to recur at $40 a month. And the worst part is they never got a confirmation email, so they don't know who to call or write to, they don't have an account number, so if they try to cancel, they get a huge runaround. I'll let seanchai talk about which one is doing it in the TS niche because I know it's one of his favorite rants ;)


Who does this?

[texas19777]

It seems from the posts and requests on here that there is a large market for a site that has women with larger members that the men they are paired up with.

[tsmandy]

I think I'm going to probably make this the last post I ever make on Hung Angels in regards to my business and the nature of my content (other than maybe occasionally posting photos from shoots).

Less than 24 hours after going back and forth with Seanchai I got a warning from ccbill that I had to remove "objectionable" content from my site or lose my account. I had to pull some of my absolute favorite content I've ever shot, material that I put my heart, soul, and body into more than most TS performers can possibly fathom. The longterm result is that I'm going to have some pretty serious business decisons to make about the future of my site, and I'm kind of bummed about it all right now.

I'm not accusing Seanchai of contacting ccbill, because we have always gotten along well and I like him, and though I run my site through a competing company he has always promoted my material and sent me awesome traffic. But I will say that it seems like the very act of me sharing my thoughts on this subject resulted in immediate consequences, which is very unfortunate. I feel like I've always treated people well in this industry and gone out of my way to introduce people to one another and improve the general quality of pornography available to people and the idea that someone would be so petty as to alert ccbill is really discouraging. Maybe there are some anti-porn christian types who lurk in the shadows... really too bad.

I dunno, maybe its just coincidence. It seems strange to me though, that sets that had been up on my site for months would get questioned within hours of me discussing them here on HA. Maybe the folks at CC bill really love transexual women and feel the need to check up on us.

Regardless, I rarely make the same mistake twice and from here on out my participation on this message board is going to be pretty limited. its been real folks.

xo
Mandy

[AmyDaly]

I think I'm going to probably make this the last post I ever make on Hung Angels in regards to my business and the nature of my content (other than maybe occasionally posting photos from shoots).

Less than 24 hours after going back and forth with Seanchai I got a warning from ccbill that I had to remove "objectionable" content from my site or lose my account. I had to pull some of my absolute favorite content I've ever shot, material that I put my heart, soul, and body into more than most TS performers can possibly fathom. The longterm result is that I'm going to have some pretty serious business decisons to make about the future of my site, and I'm kind of bummed about it all right now.

I'm not accusing Seanchai of contacting ccbill, because we have always gotten along well and I like him, and though I run my site through a competing company he has always promoted my material and sent me awesome traffic. But I will say that it seems like the very act of me sharing my thoughts on this subject resulted in immediate consequences, which is very unfortunate. I feel like I've always treated people well in this industry and gone out of my way to introduce people to one another and improve the general quality of pornography available to people and the idea that someone would be so petty as to alert ccbill is really discouraging. Maybe there are some anti-porn christian types who lurk in the shadows... really too bad.

I dunno, maybe its just coincidence. It seems strange to me though, that sets that had been up on my site for months would get questioned within hours of me discussing them here on HA. Maybe the folks at CC bill really love transexual women and feel the need to check up on us.

Regardless, I rarely make the same mistake twice and from here on out my participation on this message board is going to be pretty limited. its been real folks.

xo
Mandy
wow that is fucking lame

who ever did that is an asshole :angry

[Jericho]

I got a warning from ccbill that I had to remove "objectionable" content from my site or lose my account.
xo
Mandy

What particular content did they find objectionable (and who decided it was objectionable)?

[tsmandy]

What particular content did they find objectionable (and who decided it was objectionable)?

Photos and video of Hollie Stevens holding a knife to my cock, silly fun that turned me on but looked cool. The whole idea of a hot lady making me fuck her at knife point was kind of a turnon. Evidently you can't point a knife at someone in porn.

And then photos and video of me and Princess Donna. They claimed that blood was visible (which by the way, there is no blood in that shoot, just welts from a whip) which is a no no.

Removing the knife scene from the movie I made with Hollie just makes the movie nonsensical, but because of the nature of marks on my chest I might have to cut the entire fucking scene with Donna, where she fucks me to orgasm 7 times, and my favorite photos of me and her.

Just makes me sad. I would really like to believe that its all coincidence, but it seems unlikely.

[rockabilly]

That's terrible Mandy , maybe you could put it on dvd?

[tsmandy]

That's terrible Mandy , maybe you could put it on dvd?

I would like to. I'm currently in the process of figuring out which scenes of mine can be distributed and which cannot.

My hope is a movie with me, Princess Donna, Syd Blakovich, Hollie Stevens, Juliette Stray, and Kimberly Kills. But I'm waiting on word from my company about our distribution guidelines.

All this shit makes me hate porn. Fucking boring.

[rockabilly]

I hope it goes well Mandy.

You put your heart and soul into your work and you love it , your fans love it yet one person can take it away and ruin it.

Sucks Mandy , it really sucks.

[Nicole Dupre]

I thought I was on good terms with Seanchai as well, until very recently when he let my webmaster know that it wasn't the case. I was shocked because we had supposedly let bygones be bygones. And we've had little or no contact since last summer, when he put me contact with PK Vegas. PK asked me to brainstorm with him on content, and after I sent him a bunch of ideas he mysteriously didn't return my emails. So personally, I don't think it's a coincidence.

[tsmandy]

I hope it goes well Mandy.

You put your heart and soul into your work and you love it , your fans love it yet one person can take it away and ruin it.

Sucks Mandy , it really sucks.

No. One person can't. Ultimately I have a choice to make as everyone who shoots porn does, to accept therules that those who control the money make- or not. Or find alternatives.

But with the shoots in question, I honestly thought when we shot the scenes that they were within accepted agreements. The images taken out of context either do violate cc policies (as in the case of the knife photos & vid) or are quick glance judgements that have been made (as in the case of the photos of Princess Donna Dolore and myself). So I have to remove said content while using my current credit card processors. That's just the way things go.

The scenes obviously cause some people discomfort while many more find them really hot.

I guess I'm just kicking myself for blabbing about my opinions (a transexual with opinions... Is anyone surprised? didn't think so) on hardcore sex and SM and resulting annoyances. Maybe I'm a little naive in thinking I'm small potatoes and nobody gives a shit.

[tsmandy]

I thought I was on good terms with Seanchai as well, until very recently when he let my webmaster know that it wasn't the case. I was shocked because we had supposedly let bygones be bygones. And we've had little or no contact since last summer, when he put me contact with PK Vegas. PK asked me to brainstorm with him on content, and after I sent him a bunch of ideas he mysteriously didn't return my emails. So personally, I don't think it's a coincidence.

I really don't think that is true. He has always supported my career and promoted my prOjects. I've enjoyed working closely with his company for years. There are a million different people with their own agendas. Seanchai is not my enemy, that was not what I was ever trying to convey.

[Nicole Dupre]

No. One person can't. Ultimately I have a choice to make as everyone who shoots porn does, to accept therules that those who control the money make- or not. Or find alternatives.

But with the shoots in question, I honestly thought when we shot the scenes that they were within accepted agreements. The images taken out of context either do violate cc policies (as in the case of the knife photos & vid) or are quick glance judgements that have been made (as in the case of the photos of Princess Donna Dolore and myself). So I have to remove said content while using my current credit card processors. That's just the way things go.

The scenes obviously cause some people discomfort while many more find them really hot.

I guess I'm just kicking myself for blabbing about my opinions (a transexual with opinions... Is anyone surprised? didn't think so) on hardcore sex and SM and resulting annoyances. Maybe I'm a little naive in thinking I'm small potatoes and nobody gives a shit.
You're no small potato. You're clearly carving out a niche in TS porn. Someone sees it as competition and wants less of it, whoever they are.

[rockabilly]

Damn the man!

But seriously Mandy good luck.

[Nicole Dupre]

Well he sure as hell did a 180 w/ me, so I guess we'll all just be puzzled. But good luck with your situation.

[tsmandy]

Sorry, I didn't mean to derail this thread. I'm just stressed out right now. Looking forward to my vacation next week like you wouldn't believe.

Oh the irony. I say I wanna take your money and shoot a site and then somehow I'm eating my words before the Internets very eyes.

You guys love me though right? Some of you? I'm working it all out.

p.s. anyone see either the three way with me, Amy and Juliette or the 3 way with me, Kimberly, and Juliette? I haven't seen either of them and I'm curious how they turned out.

[tsmandy]

You're no small potato. You're clearly carving out a niche in TS porn. Someone sees it as competition and wants less of it, whoever they are.

Or someone is repulsed by it. Offended by it. I know I've posted threads about being the "most hardcore" porn star in the industry, which is mostly my way of trying to make light of things.

The movies I make for my website, are almost entirely shot with people I hang out with or have developed relationships with and when we shoot we do things that we like or desire. San Francisco has a tight knit community of people who do porn, its more BDSM oriented, but in many ways it is similar to the LA porn scene. People get to know each other, find similarities and pursue them. None of the movies I make seem extreme to me.

So I guess I just find the whole thing perplexing. Is BDSM really that upsetting to people? Should I be focusing my efforts in the queer/feminist porn world, or the BDSM world and ditch tranny porn?

I like working with other TS girls, and I think I have some really positive things to offer other girls in terms of the way I relate to sex. Makes me sad to think that something that comes from a really genuine place gets people so riled.

Tristan Taoramino shoots high end beautiful videos about Rough Sex for Vivid and is highly acclaimed for it.

Belladonna shoots amazing and bizarre fetish movies with intense rough sex, and she is a goddess to people in the porn world.

I generally take my inspiration from women in the porn industry who really love women and their bodies and I feel pretty tame compared to most of the other women in porn I'm friends with.

What does feel hardcore to me, is worrying all the time about fucking in routine ways and giving the old hard dick + pop shot = success to satisfy people. That shit is hard to make exciting to viewers and my hat goes off to people who are able to do it.

I want to make porn that is beautiful, intense, surreal, funny. I'm just an artist that happened to hustle a contract. People should enjoy it. I'm gonna come up with some good shit, if I don't burn the fuck out.

[AmyDaly]

Sorry, I didn't mean to derail this thread. I'm just stressed out right now. Looking forward to my vacation next week like you wouldn't believe.

Oh the irony. I say I wanna take your money and shoot a site and then somehow I'm eating my words before the Internets very eyes.

You guys love me though right? Some of you? I'm working it all out.

p.s. anyone see either the three way with me, Amy and Juliette or the 3 way with me, Kimberly, and Juliette? I haven't seen either of them and I'm curious how they turned out.

I'll hook you up with a log in so you can see for yourself : )

[tsmandy]

I'll hook you up with a log in so you can see for yourself : )

sweet. email it to me. mandy@mandy-mitchell.com thanks Amy.

Hope its getting a good response from your members.

[AmyDaly]

sweet. email it to me. mandy@mandy-mitchell.com thanks Amy.

Hope its getting a good response from your members.

Not very many comments built up yet, but so far so good!

"I've always liked Mandy. This scene was pretty hot, even if it seemed kind of short, like it's saving all the really good stuff for part two or something. Juliette Stray is amazing. I definitely look forward to seeing you go at it with her."

(the scene isn't short, its just cut up in to two parts since there is so much to show)

But yea, I will send it over to ya when they email it to me :)

[tsmandy]

Not very many comments built up yet, but so far so good!

"I've always liked Mandy. This scene was pretty hot, even if it seemed kind of short, like it's saving all the really good stuff for part two or something. Juliette Stray is amazing. I definitely look forward to seeing you go at it with her."

(the scene isn't short, its just cut up in to two parts since there is so much to show)

But yea, I will send it over to ya when they email it to me :)

I hate busting shoots up, a necessity, but a drag. next time you come up here say hey.

[AmyDaly]

I hate busting shoots up, a necessity, but a drag. next time you come up here say hey.

you know it :cool:

[Tepres]

I think I'm going to probably make this the last post I ever make on Hung Angels in regards to my business and the nature of my content (other than maybe occasionally posting photos from shoots).

Less than 24 hours after going back and forth with Seanchai I got a warning from ccbill that I had to remove "objectionable" content from my site or lose my account. I had to pull some of my absolute favorite content I've ever shot, material that I put my heart, soul, and body into more than most TS performers can possibly fathom. The longterm result is that I'm going to have some pretty serious business decisons to make about the future of my site, and I'm kind of bummed about it all right now.

I'm not accusing Seanchai of contacting ccbill, because we have always gotten along well and I like him, and though I run my site through a competing company he has always promoted my material and sent me awesome traffic. But I will say that it seems like the very act of me sharing my thoughts on this subject resulted in immediate consequences, which is very unfortunate. I feel like I've always treated people well in this industry and gone out of my way to introduce people to one another and improve the general quality of pornography available to people and the idea that someone would be so petty as to alert ccbill is really discouraging. Maybe there are some anti-porn christian types who lurk in the shadows... really too bad.

I dunno, maybe its just coincidence. It seems strange to me though, that sets that had been up on my site for months would get questioned within hours of me discussing them here on HA. Maybe the folks at CC bill really love transexual women and feel the need to check up on us.

Regardless, I rarely make the same mistake twice and from here on out my participation on this message board is going to be pretty limited. its been real folks.

xo
Mandy

Why are you letting CCBill tell you what you can or can't have on your site?
Maybe it's time to seek an alternative?

[tsmandy]

I'm currently pursuing what I believe to be the best solution. And figuring out long term plans.
xo

[Tepres]

Some porn sites use Epoch. I've never had a problem with them as a consumer...don't know how well they treat webmasters/pornographers or how their rates compare to CCBill.

[tsmandy]

I do currently use Epoch. Problem is that I have many members who signed up with ccbill and it would seriously damage the financial integrity of my projects to lose them. So its a bind.

But damn, all I meant to do in this thread was suggest a girl/girl site.

[xon]

i know wat to do with the money!!!...get Ms. Jennifer Paris to appear in a movie :P
that is deffffff something i would pay to see (A) :P

[phobun]

I think I'm going to probably make this the last post I ever make on Hung Angels in regards to my business and the nature of my content (other than maybe occasionally posting photos from shoots).

Less than 24 hours after going back and forth with Seanchai I got a warning from ccbill that I had to remove "objectionable" content from my site or lose my account. I had to pull some of my absolute favorite content I've ever shot, material that I put my heart, soul, and body into more than most TS performers can possibly fathom. The longterm result is that I'm going to have some pretty serious business decisons to make about the future of my site, and I'm kind of bummed about it all right now.

I'm not accusing Seanchai of contacting ccbill, because we have always gotten along well and I like him, and though I run my site through a competing company he has always promoted my material and sent me awesome traffic. But I will say that it seems like the very act of me sharing my thoughts on this subject resulted in immediate consequences, which is very unfortunate. I feel like I've always treated people well in this industry and gone out of my way to introduce people to one another and improve the general quality of pornography available to people and the idea that someone would be so petty as to alert ccbill is really discouraging. Maybe there are some anti-porn christian types who lurk in the shadows... really too bad.

I dunno, maybe its just coincidence. It seems strange to me though, that sets that had been up on my site for months would get questioned within hours of me discussing them here on HA. Maybe the folks at CC bill really love transexual women and feel the need to check up on us.

Regardless, I rarely make the same mistake twice and from here on out my participation on this message board is going to be pretty limited. its been real folks.

xo
Mandy


More likely the timing in relation to this online spat is probably coincidence. Even mentioning his name in the same post as what happened to you sounds absurd to me.

Seanchai seems like an operator with a lot of integrity... from a customer's perspective, you don't have to worry about getting screwed when you sign up for a Grooby website and customer service is a priority. There are a lot of shady characters in this industry but Seanchai is not one of them.

[GroobySteven]

Wow. I've just read this, I wish someone had emailed me to take a look at it earlier.
Given the timing of this, I'd have to agree that this does seem highly likely that this came from this post and also, I'm going to take the same stance as Mandy and discuss these subjects and business with a lot less candour and openess than I have done in the past.
I'm absolutely mortified that the suggestion was put that this could have came from me, so thank you for the clarification Mandy. I've had business with Mandy for many years and as anyone can see, I have banners/links to her site from many properties, from which I happily make thousands a year from, promoting.

CCBill does have VERY stringent rules (Epoch's are worse) and we've been contacted by them over the years to remove various content (usually pee, or wording in the Transexdomination.com site).

It's easy to make assumptions on who could have done this, or who has a bone to pick with you Mandy, it's more likely them then a Christian or Right Wing conspiracy.

I'll drop you an email.
Steven

[GroobySteven]

I thought I was on good terms with Seanchai as well, until very recently when he let my webmaster know that it wasn't the case. I was shocked because we had supposedly let bygones be bygones. And we've had little or no contact since last summer, when he put me contact with PK Vegas. PK asked me to brainstorm with him on content, and after I sent him a bunch of ideas he mysteriously didn't return my emails. So personally, I don't think it's a coincidence.

Gosh, you really are an insidious individual, I personally wouldn't put anything past you.
You were never on good terms with me, you were on civil terms. The business relationship I have with Mandy (and that we've met a few times), is completely different, for whom I have respect and like.

I simply removed your links and banners from all my sites because I don't want to promote your site. This is a business decision as I've seen how poorly it's selling/converting and also I just don't like it. I have a choice to decide which companies I want to promote on my real estate, yours isn't worth it. Since removing your banners, I've been subjected to personal and business attacks from you, which goes to show that I was correct in my assessment of you.

I also have a personal dislike for how you handle yourself in public, which crosses over into my business. You are an incendiary, obnoxious and frankly, dangerous individual. Given your spats online with anybody you disagree with, I don't want to promote your agenda at all, whether you claim that this is just your online persona (marketing?) or otherwise, it doesn't matter. In my opinion, it's only a matter of time before your mouth gets you hurt, or you go and hurt somebody else.

By commenting on this thread, you've once again, not only been in-correct and potentially slanderous but you've shown everybody on this board, your issues and your true intentions just to cause trouble. I'm sure you you'll turn this into yet another one of your threats, personal attacks and make unfounded accusations against me.

[slinky]

CCBill does have VERY stringent rules (Epoch's are worse) and we've been contacted by them over the years to remove various content (usually pee, or wording in the Transexdomination.com site).

And then there's stuff that seems to skate buy that they used to pop people for right and left: maybe they rescinded this rule and i missed it, but i also remember on BDSM sites you couldn't have penetrative sex scenes while someone was bound, so you saw a lot of people being bound/whatever and then they had to get untied for the "sex part" of the scene. But I seem to see this all over the place not.

Ad far as pee, I though that had been so clearly off limits for so long that I couldn't believe when Duke Dollars came out with Yellow Peril, but you don't see it anymore, do you? and they dumped some $ into the content on that site. Most of the pee sites are German that I know of and use Euro billers, but yet you do see sites which appear to meet Visa approval when they are clearly pee oriented: I just could never understand the thought process they go thru, and still can't.

Although my general experience is that part of the problem is that the "rules" aren't CCBill's or Epoch's or whoever: they are Visa rules, and part of what happens is being 3rd party billers (and big one's) they react (or should I say overreact) to any little hints from Visa decisions on anyone's site and then go galloping off on their white horses to find what other sites the are biller for MIGHT be in some way interpreted as falling under the same lawnmower as the site that got hit.

i remember when Wild West Cash preemptively got rid of some of my ATF scenes on Extreme Holly and Extreme Alex just out of fear that they would get a "red letter".

I'll also say that I've seen many times when someone with less than stellar ethics (what? in Adult? I'm Shocked, etc) sees some apparent conflict between 2 of their competitors having a public fallout (or whatever you want to call what happened earlier in this thread, I'm not looking to get caught up in what it was) and see it as an opportunity to throw some shit and make it look like it was one of the parties in the discussion. In this case, 2 companies come right to mind who have pulled shit like this, and I think the real indented target for harm here was probably Grooby, and Mandy was collateral damage.

To Tepres: LOTS of adult websites use CCBill as primary biller and Epoch as secondary, and use cascading billing

[Nicole Dupre]

Gosh, you really are an insidious individual, I personally wouldn't put anything past you.
You were never on good terms with me, you were on civil terms. The business relationship I have with Mandy (and that we've met a few times), is completely different, for whom I have respect and like.

I simply removed your links and banners from all my sites because I don't want to promote your site. This is a business decision as I've seen how poorly it's selling/converting and also I just don't like it. I have a choice to decide which companies I want to promote on my real estate, yours isn't worth it. Since removing your banners, I've been subjected to personal and business attacks from you, which goes to show that I was correct in my assessment of you.

I also have a personal dislike for how you handle yourself in public, which crosses over into my business. You are an incendiary, obnoxious and frankly, dangerous individual. Given your spats online with anybody you disagree with, I don't want to promote your agenda at all, whether you claim that this is just your online persona (marketing?) or otherwise, it doesn't matter. In my opinion, it's only a matter of time before your mouth gets you hurt, or you go and hurt somebody else.

By commenting on this thread, you've once again, not only been in-correct and potentially slanderous but you've shown everybody on this board, your issues and your true intentions just to cause trouble. I'm sure you you'll turn this into yet another one of your threats, personal attacks and make unfounded accusations against me.
There is no accusation. At least not a public one. But the way you've behaved towards me is/was in black and white, and plenty of people have read it and made a mental note. It's not my fault so many of your models don't like you. Models who have worked for you, other than myself, have been badmouthing you for years. People talk. Don't take it out on me. And clearly, in this instance, it was Mandy who implied your involvement here. Then she backpeddled. As for promoting me, you flip-flopped on the issue in your communications with my webmaster. Or are you going to now accuse Ecstatic of lying?

[tsmandy]

I brought Seanchai's name up in the first place because it was having this discussion with him that caused me problems, and I was feeling the need to clarify, because I knew someone would misconstrue what I said.

[GroobySteven]

There is no accusation. At least not a public one. But the way you've behaved towards me is/was in black and white, and plenty of people have read it and made a mental note. It's not my fault so many of your models don't like you. Models who have worked for you, other than myself, have been badmouthing you for years. People talk. Don't take it out on me. And clearly, in this instance, it was Mandy who implied your involvement here. Then she backpeddled. As for promoting me, you flip-flopped on the issue in your communications with my webmaster. Or are you going to now accuse Ecstatic of lying?

The only person who lies is you, Nicole. Mainly to yourself. I pity Ecstatic for having to work with you and what is inevitably going to be a train wreck.

I can't find ANYTHING where I have behaved incorrectly towards you, or other than you brought on? Those same models continue to work with us, as do other models on a regular basis so you have no founding there other than just trying to create a little drama.
You are a failure in about every way and I think most people know this about you.

[tsmandy]

I'll also say that I've seen many times when someone with less than stellar ethics (what? in Adult? I'm Shocked, etc) sees some apparent conflict between 2 of their competitors having a public fallout (or whatever you want to call what happened earlier in this thread, I'm not looking to get caught up in what it was) and see it as an opportunity to throw some shit and make it look like it was one of the parties in the discussion. In this case, 2 companies come right to mind who have pulled shit like this, and I think the real indented target for harm here was probably Grooby, and Mandy was collateral damage.


See I didn't see (and I'm pretty sure seanchai didn't either) the convo we were having as a falling out. Seanchai and I have friendly disagreements and I actually enjoy them. I was just continuing a convo that I was probably too distracted to have with him at the tranny awards.

I think you probably hit the nail on the head though, cause there are a lot of shady people in porn.

[GroobySteven]

See I didn't see (and I'm pretty sure seanchai didn't either) the convo we were having as a falling out. Seanchai and I have friendly disagreements and I actually enjoy them. I was just continuing a convo that I was probably too distracted to have with him at the tranny awards.

I think you probably hit the nail on the head though, cause there are a lot of shady people in porn.

I didn't even think it was a disagreement which is why I was surprised when Jamie took such offense. I think what people don't realize is that when you do see online disagreements between producers, we also usually have each others phone numbers or private emails so if it was something serious, we'd take it there. Mostly, disagreements of this type online serve to advance our own ideals and brands.
I do agree with Slinky that it was probably somebody looking on who decided to be an arse and I know whom I'd point a finger at - but unlikely they'd have the intelligence of forethought that anyone would effect our company or relationship.

[Nicole Dupre]

No. You did. Please don't make a fool of yourself and deny it. You outed my male birth name on a forum because I referred to you as I have always done; by your first name.

You also called my request, to ban a certain member here who threatened both myself and Kelly Shore with physical violence, a "witch hunt. Calling me names, falsely accusing me of being a "liar" and a "failure" won't erase history, and absolves you of nothing. I even apologized for saying some very harsh things to you in retaliation, and you weren't even a decent enough human being to apologize for saying some of the horrible things you've said to me.

As for who isn't saying anything derogatory about you, I can assure you that you've bought more friendships in this business than you've earned. We were on good terms right up until my last Yum shoot with Herman. And for whatever reason, me asking for the mods here to look into some threats brought your wrath upon me. The rest is history. I don't lie. Hate me for saying what you don't want to hear, but you'll have to prove where I've lied. I'm honest to a fault, and that's what you don't like about me. You know this of me. We have very similar opinions on politics, and you know me to be outspoken. But I have never discussed our business dealing or the details of my experiences with modeling for you, because I would rather say nothing than lie and sugar coat them. My conscience is clean.

Now I'll let you get back to debating the other half a dozen people on this thread who have also brought your ethics into question.

[GroobySteven]

Now I'll let you get back to debating the other half a dozen people on this thread who have also brought your ethics into question.


????
Erm, that would be none. In fact, three people and the OP (Mandy) stated it wouldn't have been me because my ethics wouldn't do that.
It's very strange that you think other people have "brought my ethics into question" when they hadn't.

Why don't you get back to whatever your doing when you are not failing to debate people.

[Nicole Dupre]

I'm not debating you, and I never fabricated any smoking guns. It was Mandy who questioned whether or not you reported her to CCBill. I merely shared my own experiences; that one minute you were ok with me, and the next you weren't. In fact, as I said, you just flip-flopped with Ecstatic on whether or not my site was one that you'd promote. It's hardly a debate if you won't address any of my points - not a single one - and need to stoop to accusations and name calling.

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

Just real quick to seanchai. I got a little chip on my shoulder because I've been working my ass off the past two months - between your video edits, my solo album, the website, the music video, graphic design for other people's sites, escorting, ex-girlfriend and a dead beat family members. It didn't feel good to be called a naive failure when all I do sacrifice my day to day life to insure that I don't fail everybody else I work for whether it's you, my clients, customers, band mates, affiliates - the list goes on.

That's enough out of me, I'm out.


I didn't even think it was a disagreement which is why I was surprised when Jamie took such offense. I think what people don't realize is that when you do see online disagreements between producers, we also usually have each others phone numbers or private emails so if it was something serious, we'd take it there. Mostly, disagreements of this type online serve to advance our own ideals and brands.
I do agree with Slinky that it was probably somebody looking on who decided to be an arse and I know whom I'd point a finger at - but unlikely they'd have the intelligence of forethought that anyone would effect our company or relationship.

[tsmandy]

I'm not debating you, and I never fabricated any smoking guns. It was Mandy who questioned whether or not you reported her to CCBill. I merely shared my own experiences; that one minute you were ok with me, and the next you weren't. In fact, as I said, you just flip-flopped with Ecstatic on whether or not my site was one that you'd promote. It's hardly a debate if you won't address any of my points - not a single one - and need to stoop to accusations and name calling.

I was pretty clear that I didn't think Seanchai reported me to ccbill, but that my convo with him caused someone to do it. He would lose money if my site got shut down, prob drops in the bucket to him, but still money.

I think slinky hit the nail on the head.

[Nicole Dupre]

I was pretty clear that I didn't think Seanchai reported me to ccbill, but that my convo with him caused someone to do it. He would lose money if my site got shut down, prob drops in the bucket to him, but still money.

I think slinky hit the nail on the head.
Ok. Then I'm wrong, as usual, in questioning Seanchai ever. Threats being ignored, outed male names, switching up on my webmaster, etc. It's all hunky dory, as long as he says so, and I'll be the whipping girl.

[GroobySteven]

It didn't feel good to be called a naive failure when all I do sacrifice my day to day life to insure that I don't fail everybody else I work for whether it's you, my clients, customers, band mates, affiliates - the list goes on.

That's enough out of me, I'm out.

No no Jamie. Come on. I never called you a failure, I said you were naive in the specific realm and you took exception to it. If I thought you were a failure why would I a) give you on-going work and b) work to promote your website which is awesome.

Everybody has different experiences and education. My point was specific to saying that you were naive in thinking that you couldn't be busted for it.

[tsbrenda]

everyone knows your name,no bc change or dl change cause you are a crossdresser

your dude real name LOL LOL LOL

THIS IS TO FUNNY


No. You did. Please don't make a fool of yourself and deny it. You outed my male birth name on a forum because I referred to you as I have always done; by your first name.

You also called my request, to ban a certain member here who threatened both myself and Kelly Shore with physical violence, a "witch hunt. Calling me names, falsely accusing me of being a "liar" and a "failure" won't erase history, and absolves you of nothing. I even apologized for saying some very harsh things to you in retaliation, and you weren't even a decent enough human being to apologize for saying some of the horrible things you've said to me.

As for who isn't saying anything derogatory about you, I can assure you that you've bought more friendships in this business than you've earned. We were on good terms right up until my last Yum shoot with Herman. And for whatever reason, me asking for the mods here to look into some threats brought your wrath upon me. The rest is history. I don't lie. Hate me for saying what you don't want to hear, but you'll have to prove where I've lied. I'm honest to a fault, and that's what you don't like about me. You know this of me. We have very similar opinions on politics, and you know me to be outspoken. But I have never discussed our business dealing or the details of my experiences with modeling for you, because I would rather say nothing than lie and sugar coat them. My conscience is clean.

Now I'll let you get back to debating the other half a dozen people on this thread who have also brought your ethics into question.

[BellaBellucci]

http://thumb15.shutterstock.com.edgesuite.net/display_pic_with_logo/79101/79101,1253961939,10/stock-photo-teen-age-girl-with-scissors-cutting-her-tongue-that-is-bleeding-on-green-bokeh-background-38488084.jpg

~BB~

[Nicole Dupre]

everyone knows your name,no bc change or dl change cause you are a crossdresser

your dude real name LOL LOL LOL

THIS IS TO FUNNY


Ummm, retard? All of my ID was legally changed shortly after my Yum shoot - DL, birth cert, and passport - over 4 years ago. He just decided to out it because... Well, you'd have to ask him. But I wouldn't exactly call it an ethical or appropriate thing to do. But I'm sure it keeps some of his models in line.

And the police are still looking for you. You should turn yourself in and go quietly, so they won't have to shoot you in your sock-filled bra and pull your girl-mask off.

Here's picture, because we know you're illiterate.

http://gfx.adzooks.co.uk/upl/F/97F2CA4F5B7397C840C13D569B2F2F88.jpg

[Ecstatic]

Lots of opinions flying here and frankly I don't want to be caught in the middle of any of time (or catch shrapnel on the sidelines). I'm too busy managing websites (85% of which are mainstream, not "adult"--a misnomer if ever there was one) to typically get into forum debates. Why butt heads?

I've known Nicole for quite some time, and she and I have spent a good deal of time together. I've always found her a staunch friend, a sweet and engaging person, and a creative soul. She is--by her own admission--an opinionated person at times, and too outspoken, even fiery, on certain issues. But liar? train wreck? No way. I enjoy working with her as her webmaster and we have plans for site redesign which we'll roll out as soon as possible. We've been updating the site every week since launching last December (though I'm a couple of days late this week thanks to being sick last week), and our efforts are evident by the number of affiliates who have signed up. Slow growth? As a new site, yes, but it's building.

I've known Seanchai for some time now, as well, and greatly enjoyed spending time with him in Las Vegas a couple of years back. He and I had a very brief misunderstanding about a specific promotional point for Nicole's site, which passed quickly. It wasn't a flipflop, it was a miscommunication. He doesn't want to support her site, and while I regret that (of course), I also respect his decision to support whomever he wishes. I support the Grooby sites, am a mod on TgirlTalk, and will continue to do so.

Mandy, I think it's outrageous that you've had to pull content from your site due to CCBill rules. Perhaps Epoch will work better for you. From what you say and what I've seen, there does seem to be a bit of a double standard re: BDSM sites and TS sites. Why is what's OK on one not OK on the other? It's wrong, and a bitch, and you should speak out about it.

So what was the original question?!

[stevenb432000]

I would do something dealing with amatuers. The reason why is that a lot of guys like myself love the amatuers because they look more approachable as oppossed to the stars................maybe travel around..........T-Girls gone wild......

[Nicole Dupre]

Thanks, Ecstatic.

And no thanks to any of you silent motherfuckers who sit back and watch girls get threatened. Porn-shmorn. It wasn't cool three years ago, and it's not cool now. Fuck Echimandu/KIR470 in his ghetto ass.

But of course no one really gives a shit about physical harm coming to Kelly, me, or any other girl here. You fucking hypocrites whine about TS murders and violence. But when the unprovoked threats fly here, most of you sit back like little bitches. A good amount of you people seem like latent predator pedos anyway, so I'm not shocked.

Now get back to grooving on these crossdressing Harry Potter-looking motherfuckers you're all getting wood for, and your titless Asian pedo-flavored bullshit. You NAMBLA-ass degenerate faggots know exactly who you are. And, trust me, you sperm-guzzling poofs make ALL women SICK with disgust.

And no, phobun. Being attracted to Asian boys with vaginas still makes you as "gay" as anyone. Get your ass to a pride parade, Tinkerbell.

P.S. Whoever doesn't like me can kiss my ass.

P.S.S. This thread is tacky as hell.