Most Top guys are good looking while powerbottoms are not that pleasant looking?

[alyssats]

Ive noticed from my clientelle most good looking, fit, young and yummy guys are mostly top and active in bed.

While the middle age and mature ones, unfit and not so pleasant looking ones are the powerbottom ones. Why is it like that?

[bte]

LoL...I noticed that too.

[tgirlfansg]

What's a power bottom?

On a sidenote, when're you coming to Singapore Alyssa?

[sunairco]

The unfit and unpleasant guys are the ones that probably fit the personatype of an "undesirable male" by most GG's with low self esteem and most likely couldn't get the attention of a woman if their life depended on it. Most of them tend to be very passive around women and in their minds will do anything they think pleases a woman. The proverbial "nice guy" attitude.

As far as older guys. Guess this can be best explained that being male in the states,Canada,and Britain, by the time you're in your 40's you've been figurtively fucked over from every end for so long that you just as well throw in the towel and take it up the ass literally. Ain't a man's world anymore and you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. No matter what, by middle age you realize the system is stacked against you. Might as well get a pair of kneepads and a jar of vaseline,assume the position, and go along for the ride and learn to enjoy it.

Better a beautiful TS lady then a divorce lawyer, judge, or your ex wife and at least you get something out of it for your money.

[slinky]

Ive noticed from my clientelle most good looking, fit, young and yummy guys are mostly top and active in bed.

While the middle age and mature ones, unfit and not so pleasant looking ones are the powerbottom ones. Why is it like that?

Just to play Devil's advocate, there are plenty of extremely cute, young TS's with big dicks who are "bottom only" and then a couple of years later are "power tops". I think it may have more to do with the change in comfort with one's sexuality as people get older. So the older they guys get, they less they worry about being "gay" by bottoming and the older TS's get, the less they worry about being less feminine just because they top.

[hwbs]

i think people are quick to ridicule what they do not understand ....it is easier to make fun of someone instead of seeing where they are really coming from ....u get a lot of that on here.....

[rockabilly]

Too true buckstrap , alot of assumptions get made around here.

But thats true about life in general , people get judged on everything.

[raiku9909]

some of us are attractive and versatile too. some of us probably spend too much time trying to categorize people.

[buckjohnson]

The last couple of posters are so true. Judging others is so wrong in so many ways.

[alyssats]

by the way just to clarify im not judging my clientelle im just trying to share what ive noticed

and also just to add i said "most" not "all" ok ;)

[alyssats]

What's a power bottom?

On a sidenote, when're you coming to Singapore Alyssa?

hi sweetie i plan to be in Singapore soon May 2 or 3
i miss Singapore food and men deliciousss! :jerkoff

[fred41]

Just to play Devil's advocate, there are plenty of extremely cute, young TS's with big dicks who are "bottom only" and then a couple of years later are "power tops". I think it may have more to do with the change in comfort with one's sexuality as people get older. So the older they guys get, they less they worry about being "gay" by bottoming and the older TS's get, the less they worry about being less feminine just because they top.

...so true.

[alyssats]

Just to play Devil's advocate, there are plenty of extremely cute, young TS's with big dicks who are "bottom only" and then a couple of years later are "power tops". I think it may have more to do with the change in comfort with one's sexuality as people get older. So the older they guys get, they less they worry about being "gay" by bottoming and the older TS's get, the less they worry about being less feminine just because they top.

most TS girls who are "bottom only" before become "power top" in a few years because its where the money and traffic is. 99.99% of TS admirer/chasers are powerbottoms and they look for top and versatile girls ;)

also if your into sex work and mainly bottom that would not last long because too much sex in the ass is not advisable so most TS girls shift to become top so as not to overused their asses ;)

[phobun]

by the way just to clarify im not judging my clientelle im just trying to share what ive noticed


Oh come on now.... you know you're judging a bit. After all, your qualifiers in your statement, "...most good looking, fit, young and yummy guys are mostly top and active in bed. While the middle age and mature ones, unfit and not so pleasant looking ones are the powerbottom ones..." indicate that.

In your heart and mind you're a real girl, and so like the vast majority of girls, you (secretly) look down on the effeminate fatties who are passive bottoms. Those jellyfishes deny you the female role to which you are entitled as a girl, and so you respect and like the strong, younger guys who treat you as a girl should be treated.

Don't be ashamed for what you prefer or for judging... besides, its sort of sexy to guys who think men should be men, and who can't imagine being with a girl who takes the male role in bed.

[NYBURBS]

most TS girls who are "bottom only" before become "power top" in a few years because its where the money and traffic is. 99.99% of TS admirer/chasers are powerbottoms and they look for top and versatile girls ;)

also if your into sex work and mainly bottom that would not last long because too much sex in the ass is not advisable so most TS girls shift to become top so as not to overused their asses ;)


Well, Slinky knows a lot of T-girls hun, so I'm pretty sure he realizes the difference between ones that do it for business reasons and ones who do it for personal preference. There are all different types out there.

[BrendaQG]

I think it has more to do with age. Young fat men can be just as active as young fit men.

[GullyFoyle]

Ive noticed from my clientelle most good looking, fit, young and yummy guys are mostly top and active in bed.

While the middle age and mature ones, unfit and not so pleasant looking ones are the powerbottom ones. Why is it like that?

*bleah* I'm a top and a hideous chud.

[alyssats]

I think it has more to do with age. Young fat men can be just as active as young fit men.

yes thats what im thinking also is it because as guys get older their testosterone level decreases?

[alyssats]

*bleah* I'm a top and a hideous chud.

like i said "most" not "all" ;)

[alyssats]

Oh come on now.... you know you're judging a bit. After all, your qualifiers in your statement, "...most good looking, fit, young and yummy guys are mostly top and active in bed. While the middle age and mature ones, unfit and not so pleasant looking ones are the powerbottom ones..." indicate that.

In your heart and mind you're a real girl, and so like the vast majority of girls, you (secretly) look down on the effeminate fatties who are passive bottoms. Those jellyfishes deny you the female role to which you are entitled as a girl, and so you respect and like the strong, younger guys who treat you as a girl should be treated.

Don't be ashamed for what you prefer or for judging... besides, its sort of sexy to guys who think men should be men, and who can't imagine being with a girl who takes the male role in bed.

OMG im so loving all those strong men who can fuck me more than 5 mins or more than 10 mins please!!! Goshhh!

[serial138]

I think even us "young, attractive" guys like to bottom, just some are scared to admit it. It feels too "gay" when we do or some such nonsense. As you get older, you get more comfortable with your sexuality and sex in general.

And lets face it, as we get older, we usually aren't in as good of shape or don't take care of ourselves as we should. I'm sure there are plenty of out of shape tops out there too.

[yosi]

Alyssa my dear

with a top guy , you see less of him because he is mostly behind you , that's why you probably think tops look better :D;)

[fred41]

LOL...This isn't directed at anyone in particular (mostly) but...I hope this site is around for many, many years..so that one day some of the younger posters on here have spent a significant time out in the real world..and look back at some of their old posts..and realized how some of their preconceived notions about people and things were completely wrong (and sometimes based on either immaturity..or the need to stroke their own insecure egos)...and sometimes made them sound a little bit stupid, even though they didn't think so at the time.

[BrendaQG]

yes thats what im thinking also is it because as guys get older their testosterone level decreases?

I think so. Men of a certain age are more willing to just take it how I want to give it to them. Either topping them, or "on top" straddling them like a GG.

Younger men have a idea of what they want when they come over. A heavyset construction worker or gangbanger can be very aggressive in bed. With lots of muscle just under a bit of fat.

IMO the best clients for me were older men who are fit, experienced, know what they want, have no issues to get over.

[NYBURBS]

LOL...This isn't directed at anyone in particular (mostly) but...I hope this site is around for many, many years..so that one day some of the younger posters on here have spent a significant time out in the real world..and look back at some of their old posts..and realized how some of their preconceived notions about people and things were completely wrong (and sometimes based on either immaturity..or the need to stroke their own insecure egos)...and sometimes made them sound a little bit stupid, even though they didn't think so at the time.

Agreed bro and well said

[MrF]

Well, I think it's an interesting observation (the original post). I don't quite understand why a guy who wants to bottom would hire a TG. If you want dick, why not hire a studly young M4M ? Come to think of it, you can easily find M4M for free if you are at least marginally attractive. But the M4M market is much smaller than the T4M market. I've never quite understood why, but my guess is that being with a TG is, for some guys, like fulfilling a "gay" fantasy without being outright gay. Something like that -- not sure. (????)

As for me, I've never bottomed and have no interest in doing so.

I am curious to know, though, how a TG escort can perform as a top with an unattractive client ? I mean, how do you get it up ? I guess it's a job and you get used to it. Maybe Viagra or something too.

[fred41]

Well, I think it's an interesting observation (the original post). I don't quite understand why a guy who wants to bottom would hire a TG. If you want dick, why not hire a studly young M4M ? Come to think of it, you can easily find M4M for free if you are at least marginally attractive. But the M4M market is much smaller than the T4M market. I've never quite understood why, but my guess is that being with a TG is, for some guys, like fulfilling a "gay" fantasy without being outright gay. Something like that -- not sure. (????)

As for me, I've never bottomed and have no interest in doing so.

I am curious to know, though, how a TG escort can perform as a top with an unattractive client ? I mean, how do you get it up ? I guess it's a job and you get used to it. Maybe Viagra or something too.

As to the first part of your question..I guess the same thing could be asked of a top: Why hire a TS if all you want to do is top...you could just be with a GG for free..or if you need Greek and can't find a GG that will do that for you..there are plenty of GG escorts that specialize in it.

[MrF]

^ Fair point. I guess it gets into the question of why we like TG to begin with; each may have different reasons. And I'm sure it's been discussed on this forum somewhere.

[alyssats]

I think even us "young, attractive" guys like to bottom, just some are scared to admit it. It feels too "gay" when we do or some such nonsense. As you get older, you get more comfortable with your sexuality and sex in general.

And lets face it, as we get older, we usually aren't in as good of shape or don't take care of ourselves as we should. I'm sure there are plenty of out of shape tops out there too.

thanks for the input

like i said "most" not "all" ;)

[alyssats]

I think so. Men of a certain age are more willing to just take it how I want to give it to them. Either topping them, or "on top" straddling them like a GG.

Younger men have a idea of what they want when they come over. A heavyset construction worker or gangbanger can be very aggressive in bed. With lots of muscle just under a bit of fat.

IMO the best clients for me were older men who are fit, experienced, know what they want, have no issues to get over.

i like that too :jerkoff

[alyssats]

Well, I think it's an interesting observation (the original post). I don't quite understand why a guy who wants to bottom would hire a TG. If you want dick, why not hire a studly young M4M ? Come to think of it, you can easily find M4M for free if you are at least marginally attractive. But the M4M market is much smaller than the T4M market. I've never quite understood why, but my guess is that being with a TG is, for some guys, like fulfilling a "gay" fantasy without being outright gay. Something like that -- not sure. (????)

As for me, I've never bottomed and have no interest in doing so.

I am curious to know, though, how a TG escort can perform as a top with an unattractive client ? I mean, how do you get it up ? I guess it's a job and you get used to it. Maybe Viagra or something too.

interesting observation also just last night a client of mine asked me how could i able to get hard to a guy like him(his hairy and unfit) and he said what if a guy is more fat and unattractive than him it might be very hard to TS girls to top them. i just keep silent ;)

[kensterling]

Just so you know, the M4M market is quite large and doing fine. I have been escorting for 13 years and there are still plenty of men seeking men. MF couples hire male escorts all the time for different reasons. In my market, with the TS being more mainstream in the last 5-7 years, my work with female escorts for bi male customers that wanted a M/F together is off. They can get all the want with a TS, top and bottom. Just letting all know what is going on out there.

[MrF]

^ Thanks, Kensterling. It's getting slightly off topic, but I'm curious to know how large the M4M market is relative to T4M ? Because my impression is that the number of M4M ads is smaller than the number of T4M ads, whenever I checked (which was not very often and I admit I have not "researched" it). As far as I can tell, if a guy wants a gay man it's much easier to find for free than a TGirl.

[BeardedOne]

^ Thanks, Kensterling. It's getting slightly off topic, but I'm curious to know how large the M4M market is relative to T4M ? Because my impression is that the number of M4M ads is smaller than the number of T4M ads, whenever I checked (which was not very often and I admit I have not "researched" it). As far as I can tell, if a guy wants a gay man it's much easier to find for free than a TGirl.

From a shopper's viewpoint, the M4M market is hoppin'. One popular site lists over 1500 ads for the US today (And 1330 in China, who'da thunk it?). Larger cities have about 80 ads on average while smaller ones might have only two or three. Though Eros has a section for male escorts I've yet to see one single ad appear there. It depends on where you're looking. There are a fair number of commercial listing sites out there.

@ Alyssa, thanx for clarifying "...some not all...", as I certainly hope that you wouldn't find me fat and unattractive. I'm not fat...well...maybe 'pudgy'...but I'm big-boned. :rolleyes: And I'll attach a pic so you can see my devilishly striking good looks. ;-)

@ Ken, haven't seen you post in quite a while. Welcome back to the locker room. :)

[BlkJewels]

Ive noticed from my clientelle most good looking, fit, young and yummy guys are mostly top and active in bed.

While the middle age and mature ones, unfit and not so pleasant looking ones are the powerbottom ones. Why is it like that?

Careful babygirl, u dont want to hurt your clients feelinz.

[slinky]

Ive noticed from my clientelle most good looking, fit, young and yummy guys are mostly top and active in bed.

While the middle age and mature ones, unfit and not so pleasant looking ones are the powerbottom ones. Why is it like that?



most TS girls who are "bottom only" before become "power top" in a few years because its where the money and traffic is. 99.99% of TS admirer/chasers are powerbottoms and they look for top and versatile girls ;)

also if your into sex work and mainly bottom that would not last long because too much sex in the ass is not advisable so most TS girls shift to become top so as not to overused their asses ;)



Hmmmmmmm...... so in other words, you are basing your premise on the 1 out of ten thousand clients which are "good looking, fit, young and yummy guys (who) are mostly top and active in bed"??? Assuming you'd have to have this happen at least about a dozen times to notice a trend, you've seen 120,000 guys and that's what you are basing your conclusions on?

Well, at least that's what you get when you use your own premise and figures.

[kensterling]

Hi, MrF. You probably don't see too many guy ads if you look in eros or other more mainstream sites. If you go directly to man on man sites, it's like bearded one said, there are ALOT of guys out there. Plenty of competition like the TS. Obviously if you are bi and versitle there is alot more clients to choose from. But there in niche work as well. The biz has been very good to me.
Thanks for the welcome back bearded one, good to see the locker room is open, LOL!

[russtafa]

sex between lovers should be for pleasure and love,there are no rules except not to cause your partner pain

[bte]

Some TS Admirers/Chasers like to bottom and some like to top. When a guy pays for a TS escort, I would think that they would be paying to bottom, based on what most of the guys say on this site. I wouldn't worry about it if I was you as long as you are getting paid.

Although, when I was in my "gay days" I noticed that most mature unfit guys chose to bottom as oppose to being tops. But then again, I noticed the opposite is true, so who knows. It all comes down to preference.

[slinky]

Remember that a surprising amount of TS porn (as can be seen by various surveys over the years on this site) is bought by guys who only want SOLO stuff (and if not that, still TS bottoming; look at the recent thread where a guys asks for clips of TS creampie/guy receiving and the lack of such product found as an answer). I think that there has certainly been a shift from the amount of requests from clients asking to be topped over the years to being bottomed, and the same for the amount of porn being shot (before the Third World Media stuff, it was almost non-existent) but I also think the amount of the shift has been greatly overstated.

And to follow-up on my first post in this thread (where is seems what I stated was largely ignored, and then brought up as a new idea later) - that I think the correlation of "older" to "not buff, good looking, etc" is as high or higher than the "buff, good looking, etc" as top vs "older, less good looking, etc.". As such, I'm not so sure, mathematically, the conclusions being drawn are correct, and stand by my original thesis. (thx to NYBURBS for the support).

[kensterling]

From my experience, when escorting M on M, I never saw the difference in better looking guys wanting to top. I have worked as a muscle power bottom for men, and it seemed to me to be about even. Did not keep statistics, but how a guy was built or what he looked like never seemed to matter.
Another tip for all escort users. As escorts, we may put several ads out at one time. For instance I may run a bi ad for couples, A bottom ad for tops, a recieve oral only ad for cock worshipers, all at the same time. Since I can assume all those roles (not false advertising) you are doing more niche marketing. That is why we might use different names in the same city. I won't advertise as being exclusively a top, bottom, whatever, but it does help if that is exactly what someone is looking for. Just better advertising for biz. I bit off the topic, but thought the guys might want to know.

[GullyFoyle]

From my experience, when escorting M on M, I never saw the difference in better looking guys wanting to top. I have worked as a muscle power bottom for men, and it seemed to me to be about even. Did not keep statistics, but how a guy was built or what he looked like never seemed to matter.
Another tip for all escort users. As escorts, we may put several ads out at one time. For instance I may run a bi ad for couples, A bottom ad for tops, a recieve oral only ad for cock worshipers, all at the same time. Since I can assume all those roles (not false advertising) you are doing more niche marketing. That is why we might use different names in the same city. I won't advertise as being exclusively a top, bottom, whatever, but it does help if that is exactly what someone is looking for. Just better advertising for biz. I bit off the topic, but thought the guys might want to know.

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And knowing is half the battle ...

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[BeardedOne]

I bit off the topic, but thought the guys might want to know.

<Taking notes> What's that number again?

[ilovetgirls36]

ok so let me get this straight ...so it matters a lot to the girls that the paying customer has to be young and fit...wait a minute im the one thats paying right?...im handing you my hard earned money so put on your fake smile and fuck me...if you cant handle your clients not being models start looking for another job.

[alyssats]

lol just to clarify yes i do understand that client pay us but its clearly for time and companship only. but always remember even how much client pay TS girls will always have preference on whos hot and not. we are also human being, we are not robots. the money guys pay us doesnt mean we will get instantly see them as hot and get a hard on. there should be a chemistry and attraction between of us ;)

just my 2 cents worth

and to add im not against unfit guys but it would be better it they would learn how to exercise and be healthy not for other people but for themselves ;)

[Prospero]

Lots of contradictions in this whole business - and that's true of life too, isn't it. Why choose a TG at all if your are 100 per cent a top? Why choose a TG if you prefer to bottom? Well.... I have a preference for being a bottom. Though quite often I top too. I am not sexually attracted to "men" Don't like male looks or physique for a sexual encounter. Tried it. Turns me off. (Though can admire them in the abstract for aesthetic reasons) but I do like cocks and I love women's bodies. Their faces Their touch. So if I were looking to simply be a top I think Id probably pick GGs. No offence. But I do love to be fucked.. I like that special feeing. And i prefer a real cock to a dildo. So I enjoy the physical encounter with T girls for that alone - though i also like to suck cock. So that also. I like both in the end. But for me that res out the third sex - which is men.

But there is more than that . I enjoy the mental outlook of T girls... a broader and different view of things from GGs. So their company is always chalenging as well.

And yes i am older and yes I am experienced. Hopefully not ugly. Certainly not fat.

[kensterling]

I must agree with Alyssa here. When topping if something turns you off, it def effects your performance. As a pro, we try to focus on something else to get the proper results for the client. Also, we are not machines and just cause we charge for sex, does not mean we have to do it with anybody that can come up with the money. If I feel uncomfortable, I turn it down, that simple. I have not turned down a cleint cause of looks, a bad vibe yes, but not looks. I have had some (both men and women) who where heavy or not attractive that got me off in amazing ways and look forward to them hiring me again. So it's not all about looks either. Just some info from my side of the fence, take it for what it's worth.

[Ryz]

i'm not fat, overweight old, and i'm the biggest powerbottom ever

[phobun]

lol just to clarify yes i do understand that client pay us but its clearly for time and companship only. but always remember even how much client pay TS girls will always have preference on whos hot and not. we are also human being, we are not robots. the money guys pay us doesnt mean we will get instantly see them as hot and get a hard on. there should be a chemistry and attraction between of us


You're very diplomatic.
and to add im not against unfit guys but it would be better it they would learn how to exercise and be healthy not for other people but for themselves


This is the understatement of the year!
ok so let me get this straight ...so it matters a lot to the girls that the paying customer has to be young and fit...wait a minute im the one thats paying right?...im handing you my hard earned money so put on your fake smile and fuck me...if you cant handle your clients not being models start looking for another job.


Alyssa, I don't see how you tolerate these fat losers with the consumerist demands. Apart from the lard and the bad smells and the crossdressing that you must endure from these queens, to also have to deal with bad attitudes like this! Perhaps his manner towards you reflects the real reason why the bitch needs to pay for a girl's time and companionship.

Powerbottoms are always indulging from both ends so it is no surprise they're fat and overflowing with nasty shit.

[NYBURBS]

lol phobun don't you think you should work on your own issues before you go tossing stones across the pond.

[fitz207]

Well said Burbs.

[phobun]

lol phobun don't you think you should work on your own issues before you go tossing stones across the pond.


Oh come on Mr. Burbs... I'm not throwing stones at anyone regular here, but you're a gentleman and I bet you'd agree ilovetgirls36's words were a bit unbecoming towards Alyssa. I do sympathize for her, and she probably gets that sort of shut-up-and-fuck-me attitude from unattractive clients and it's got to be tough for her at times.

[BrendaQG]

I have had some (both men and women) who where heavy or not attractive that got me off in amazing ways and look forward to them hiring me again. So it's not all about looks either. Just some info from my side of the fence, take it for what it's worth.

Yes so very very true. But you can never tell them that. :wink:

By the by Ken your avatar was one of the top reasons I still came here. Now that was an in shape ass.

As for the "shut up and fuck me" attitude. The number of clients who have a bad attitude or aren't clean enough is over estimated by many. They have a dick they know how it works. They also have a nose and know how it works. It's the reason that many come over expecting to be able to wash up before and/or afterwards or even shower depending on how intense it gets. So sure you are paying to spend time with a very willing sex partner who needs minimal convincing to actually have sex with you. It's a matter of not unconvincing me by having a bad vibe or smelling like horse manure mixed with monkey ball sweat. Then on top of it all wanting bare back.

[alyssats]

i'm not fat, overweight old, and i'm the biggest powerbottom ever

like i said "most" not "all" ;)

by the way how many times should i clarify "most" not "all"

i think ive clarified it 3 times already ;)

[alyssats]

honestly one of the main reason i come up with this topic because some clientelle are just plain too rude, unrespectful and not understanding to girls like us. arent we TS girls also have the right not to get turn on or get a hard cock for having a clientelle that is rude, smelly, unfit and not so good looking? because some guys will say "owww why are you not getting hard? i taught youre active/top?" when honestly the main reason why we dont get hard sometimes is because they are smelly, unfit and dont know how to take care of themselves! and most of all because they are very unrespectful,cold and rude to us! a "no" is a "no"! we are also human beings my body will only respond with the way you treat me ;)

[slinky]

honestly one of the main reason i come up with this topic because some clientelle are just plain too rude, unrespectful and not understanding to girls like us. arent we TS girls also have the right not to get turn on or get a hard cock for having a clientelle that is rude, smelly, unfit and not so good looking? because some guys will say "owww why are you not getting hard? i taught youre active/top?" when honestly the main reason why we dont get hard sometimes is because they are smelly, unfit and dont know how to take care of themselves! and most of all because they are very unrespectful,cold and rude to us! a "no" is a "no"! we are also human beings my body will only respond with the way you treat me ;)

While this is to some extent true, once you turn yourself from a "person" into a "business", a lot of things change, and you can't pick out the circumstances where you wan to excuse things as "personal choice" when you are acting as a "business" unless you want to change your name to "Denny'sTS".

[rockabilly]

"Denny's TS" i think "IHOP" is more acurate
Irritated
Humper
Of
Powerbottoms

[Bopper007]

honestly one of the main reason i come up with this topic because some clientelle are just plain too rude, unrespectful and not understanding to girls like us. arent we TS girls also have the right not to get turn on or get a hard cock for having a clientelle that is rude, smelly, unfit and not so good looking? because some guys will say "owww why are you not getting hard? i taught youre active/top?" when honestly the main reason why we dont get hard sometimes is because they are smelly, unfit and dont know how to take care of themselves! and most of all because they are very unrespectful,cold and rude to us! a "no" is a "no"! we are also human beings my body will only respond with the way you treat me ;)

No worries Alyssa. If I were with you I would get very excited and hard, so you getting hard, or not, would not be an issue. :D

[kensterling]

Hey Brenda
Thanks for the compliment on my ass, haha! I do work very hard to keep it that way, after all, it's a big money maker for me :)

[alyssats]

No worries Alyssa. If I were with you I would get very excited and hard, so you getting hard, or not, would not be an issue. :D

thanks sweetie my COCK is hard now waiting for you :jerkoff

[alyssats]

Hey Brenda
Thanks for the compliment on my ass, haha! I do work very hard to keep it that way, after all, it's a big money maker for me :)

yeahhh you got nice ass makes my COCK instantly hard!!!

now take it bitch! lol ;)

:jerkoff

[NYBURBS]

Oh come on Mr. Burbs... I'm not throwing stones at anyone regular here, but you're a gentleman and I bet you'd agree ilovetgirls36's words were a bit unbecoming towards Alyssa. I do sympathize for her, and she probably gets that sort of shut-up-and-fuck-me attitude from unattractive clients and it's got to be tough for her at times.

I hear ya dude, and I understand where she is coming from, but I also realize that no one is forcing her to see them. I don't really envy most people that undertake her line of work because I'm sure it opens them up to all sorts of personal and psychological dilemmas.

Anyway, my point is that people should try to remain civilized while disagreeing (on all sides of the issue).

[GullyFoyle]

While this is to some extent true, once you turn yourself from a "person" into a "business", a lot of things change, and you can't pick out the circumstances where you wan to excuse things as "personal choice" when you are acting as a "business" unless you want to change your name to "Denny'sTS".

Even a "business" has the right to not serve a patron. Though I don't think a working girl gives up all her rights like you seem to believe.

[ilovetgirls36]

very materialistic ..that's why the world is so fucked up...but one day you will loose your good looks

[lovesall]

Everyone has a choice from person to person. Yes it becomes a business and that is when services are to be met and some business can be greedy and the services are not up to par. Everyone has a choice on who and what they want, but when it comes to business services should be rendered.
JUST MY 2 CENTS......

[Jericho]

...Only on HA! :rolleyes:

[phobun]

Everyone has a choice from person to person. Yes it becomes a business and that is when services are to be met and some business can be greedy and the services are not up to par. Everyone has a choice on who and what they want, but when it comes to business services should be rendered.
JUST MY 2 CENTS......



"No shower, no six-pack, no service."

A girl should not have to wear a sign that reads, "I reserve the right to refuse service to anyone."

I can't imagine the nerve of some fatass who thinks a girl should be ready to root his smelly, flat, fat zit-butt on demand as if she is the on-call plumber.

And some of those guys, in their middle-age, have become mirror images of the ex-wives they detest... fat, out-of-shape, self-centered and capriciously demanding of someone to do the husbandly duty... "Shut-up-and-fix-the-sink" has become "shut-up-and-fuck-me-in-the-ass"...

Alot of Johns need to invest in bath-water and smaller spoons.

[ilovetgirls36]

then she should advertise that she does not like fucking old fat guys...simple

[Teydyn]

Alot of Johns need to invest in bath-water and smaller spoons.
Either you are just spewing crap like usual or do you speak from own experience? :lol:

[slinky]

"Denny's TS" i think "IHOP" is more acurate
Irritated
Humper
Of
Powerbottoms

You missed the reference.

[slinky]

Even a "business" has the right to not serve a patron. Though I don't think a working girl gives up all her rights like you seem to believe.

Who said I believe that? I guess it's easier to set up a straw man to knock down than discuss the truth. And I don't know where you live, it's not true that "Even a "business" has the right to not serve a patron". There are MANY conditions where businesses Do have to serve patrons, and there is A TONS of case law on it.

But in this particular case, my point was it is one thing the work totally UTR, meet guys at bars or where ever, and only make arrangements with one's who you feel comfortable with.

But if you are putting yourself out there as "open for business" and publicly advertising on Eros, CL, BP or where ever, lot's of things change. Let's go back to the OP:

"Ive noticed from my clientelle most good looking, fit, young and yummy guys are mostly top and active in bed.

While the middle age and mature ones, unfit and not so pleasant looking ones are the powerbottom ones. Why is it like that?"

All that is there is "unfit and not so pleasant looking ones". Well, I'm sorry, but any girl who puts her self out there for the masses has to expect to service "unfit and not so pleasant looking ones" and not only get "good looking, fit, young and yummy guys". That's just not what the business is about, or even realistic.

But when challenged, it has to get escalated to things like "smelly, filthy, gross, etc." to justify some of the behavior that the sex worker wants to exhibit. (NB: the following is a general statement and has nothing to to with Alyssa, it's a general discussion). When a regular guy comes to the door, they expect exactly their stated donation. When some less than attractive guy shows up, all of a sudden there's a lot of "personal choice" etc. which comes up. But if some totally buff, great looking, horse hung client shows up, do girls say "boy, I'm going to enjoy this" and give the guy a discount? 99+% of the time no, and all of a sudden "it's a business, you know" is the order of the day.

So let's stop throwing around only the WORST OF THE WORST clients when it comes to excuses for poor performance: anyone who has been around the block in this business knows there as just many girls who advertise as "fully functional", know they are having a client coming over who is expecting to get fucked, but either they are just plain non-functional, have seen too many clients already that day, or several for any of other reasons KNOW WHEN THEY MAKE THE APPOINTMENT that it doesn't matter if just about as good looking a guy as they could reasonably expect walks thru the door, they ain't getting it up anyway. But that's never the story you hear: what you hear about is that the guy was smelly, fat, or any other number of excuses, and if you look at a girls reviews, it somehow seems that EVERY GUY SHE SEES must be fat, old, smelly or otherwise disgusting.

To some it up, my point is that while there are PLENTY of bad customers (just as many for GG's) an awful lot of the argument you hear on the issue is red herring because if you book an appointment where you know a certain service is part of the deal, and you also know that if the most likely guy to walk thru the door (not HORRIBLE, just average) isn't going to get that service because you aren't able to do it, then all this complaining about the WORST OF THE WORST customers is a bit of BS thrown out to obfuscate the real issue.

[kensterling]

Alyssa, thanks for the compliments on my ass, glad you liked it and it made your cock rock hard. Did I detect a dominant side in you with that last comment? Haha

[Richctdude]

i think most guys like both but are afraid to admit it

[phobun]

The reality is that unreasonable expectations can go both ways. Just as the girl should not expect every client to be her soulmate or a Greek god, the guys are also not expecting every girl to be a goddess.

And the proof of this is to look at the marketplace: scan the girls in any major city and a fair proportion of them are definitely "below par"... yet they remain in business.

Most people understand their own limitations, and that they are not going to be able to walk into the Ferrari dealership and expect to take a test drive. But the corollary is that if a lower-end guy does seek to a ride on the wild side, then perhaps she needs to consider that she is not a Ferrari, just a used Civic with some body modifications.

Society gets the benefit of an invisible hand job when everyone, not just girls, but clients too, acts in their own self-interests... . So the girls should incorporate a little econ into their service philosophy:

"It is not from the benevolence of the client that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities, but of their advantages."

[phobun]

Either you are just spewing crap like usual or do you speak from own experience? :lol:



There was definitely some hyperbole in that one.

[lovesall]

Who said I believe that? I guess it's easier to set up a straw man to knock down than discuss the truth. And I don't know where you live, it's not true that "Even a "business" has the right to not serve a patron". There are MANY conditions where businesses Do have to serve patrons, and there is A TONS of case law on it.

But in this particular case, my point was it is one thing the work totally UTR, meet guys at bars or where ever, and only make arrangements with one's who you feel comfortable with.

But if you are putting yourself out there as "open for business" and publicly advertising on Eros, CL, BP or where ever, lot's of things change. Let's go back to the OP:

"Ive noticed from my clientelle most good looking, fit, young and yummy guys are mostly top and active in bed.

While the middle age and mature ones, unfit and not so pleasant looking ones are the powerbottom ones. Why is it like that?"

All that is there is "unfit and not so pleasant looking ones". Well, I'm sorry, but any girl who puts her self out there for the masses has to expect to service "unfit and not so pleasant looking ones" and not only get "good looking, fit, young and yummy guys". That's just not what the business is about, or even realistic.

But when challenged, it has to get escalated to things like "smelly, filthy, gross, etc." to justify some of the behavior that the sex worker wants to exhibit. (NB: the following is a general statement and has nothing to to with Alyssa, it's a general discussion). When a regular guy comes to the door, they expect exactly their stated donation. When some less than attractive guy shows up, all of a sudden there's a lot of "personal choice" etc. which comes up. But if some totally buff, great looking, horse hung client shows up, do girls say "boy, I'm going to enjoy this" and give the guy a discount? 99+% of the time no, and all of a sudden "it's a business, you know" is the order of the day.

So let's stop throwing around only the WORST OF THE WORST clients when it comes to excuses for poor performance: anyone who has been around the block in this business knows there as just many girls who advertise as "fully functional", know they are having a client coming over who is expecting to get fucked, but either they are just plain non-functional, have seen too many clients already that day, or several for any of other reasons KNOW WHEN THEY MAKE THE APPOINTMENT that it doesn't matter if just about as good looking a guy as they could reasonably expect walks thru the door, they ain't getting it up anyway. But that's never the story you hear: what you hear about is that the guy was smelly, fat, or any other number of excuses, and if you look at a girls reviews, it somehow seems that EVERY GUY SHE SEES must be fat, old, smelly or otherwise disgusting.

To some it up, my point is that while there are PLENTY of bad customers (just as many for GG's) an awful lot of the argument you hear on the issue is red herring because if you book an appointment where you know a certain service is part of the deal, and you also know that if the most likely guy to walk thru the door (not HORRIBLE, just average) isn't going to get that service because you aren't able to do it, then all this complaining about the WORST OF THE WORST customers is a bit of BS thrown out to obfuscate the real issue.

You hit the issue on the mark, you could have not said it any better Slinky!!

[keepingitreal470]

by the way just to clarify im not judging my clientelle im just trying to share what ive noticed

and also just to add i said "most" not "all" ok ;)Honestly, I think you need to GROW UP! Again, I'm not judging you, just sharing what I noticed!

[TsVanessa69]

some of us are attractive and versatile too. some of us probably spend too much time trying to categorize people.
Attractive and versatile sounds good to me!

[Bopper007]

thanks sweetie my COCK is hard now waiting for you :jerkoff

Damn Alysa, just reading that made me hard. :love1

[serial138]

Attractive and versatile sounds good to me!

If that was so easy to find, wouldn't we all be happy now Vanessa?

[BeardedOne]

I'm not even going to visit the fantasy that every client should be a buff Adonis. But the assumption that every provider should be OK with some sweaty-assed, unwashed pig just because they are paying for the ride is ludicrous.

Call them what you will; Companion, escort, GFE, call girl, hooker, street-walker, whore, or lady of the evening (Or gentleman of the evening in recognition of Ken :) ), but they are human beings at the base of it all and deserve some modicum of respect.

Most of my dates have found me well-dressed and well-behaved and =ALL= of my dates have found me sparkly clean and respectful. Just because I'm forking over Benjamins doesn't give me license to abuse my date (Unless that's the sort of thing that you're into and paying for).

How they see me as far as good looks are concerned, eh. It hasn't been an issue. Maybe I choose my gurls based on intestinal fortitude that supersedes any shock value. :shrug

Seriously, everyone wants to have a good day at work, but life doesn't always work that way. Escorts at least have an out via the very basic disclaimer: I reserve the right to refuse service to anyone based on [Reasons]. Is it discriminatory? Yah, pretty much. Is it legal? Hell-OH! You've already stepped over the line of assumed legality just by picking up the phone and now you're going to harp about statutory law?

Puh-Leeze!

[Schimmel]

Honestly, I think you need to GROW UP! Again, I'm not judging you, just sharing what I noticed!
Sounds like this clown is one of the gross, unclean, middle-aged disrespectful types. Dude if you're paying top dollar then you should be happy she's even giving you the time of day, you sick pervert. Shower before you call them, then maybe you won't stink so much.

[tjinla2001]

I prefer to find transvestite prostitutes who walk the streets. I service them in my van give them a few free base hits and they are on their way. These sluts don't rush to the internet and talk about getting sucked by a 50 year old fag.

[serial138]

Watching grown men call each other fags on a tranny website just cracks me up to no end.

[sucka4chix]

You seem obssessed with "power bottoms". I think you started a thread about noticing alot of guys becoming PBs and asking what happened. I think girls need to understand that YOU are what happened. The young guys usually are just getting started in the game and up until a short while have been fucking girls with pussies. After you've been fucking girls with dicks for a while, eventually the opportunity to get fucked will present itself. Whether they like it or not, the THOUGHT of it us exciting. So after being in this situation (with chicks with dicks) you get fucked. It's a natural progression. So in summary most guys were made bottoms by tgirls and if you give the young hotties enough time, they'll be bottoming too. Sorry, it's inevitable. They may not be "power bottoms", as you say, as I think these guys are closeted gay guys. But if you mess around with girls who have dicks all the time, ones gonna end up on your ass!!!

[PokerFace]

I'm a virgin to this world so here's my 2 cents. (I hope you don't mind.)
I'm over 50, raised 4 kids and am divorced. I have never even seen an erect penis other than my own.
I find pretty TS girls erotic and have contemplated a session.
I could never have sex with another man. Doesn't make sense I agree. A TS that looks in every way like a pretty woman with a penis is sexy. So if I was just interested in topping then vagina's would work better. This thread has been very enlightening and helpful. I had assumed that if I was clean and respectful everything would be on the menu if I didn't become too shy. What this thread has taught me is that I need to do a lot more research before I attempt a session.

[sucka4chix]

To veer off topic like everyone else quickly did, I'm sure there are guys who show up to an escort with questionable hygiene. But that's not JOHN specific. Providers can do the same thing! Sometimes THEY are not so fresh. What's up with that??? Personally I'm almost always cleaner (at least as clean) than my provider because I'm self conscious, and I don't want anyone thinking I stink! I actually get disappointed if a girl doesn't say "Damn you smell good". Sometimes, you might be a tourist in a place like NYC, and you have to walk a considerable distance in the summer sun, and break a sweat. Ideally, it would be great if a girl allowed you to shower, but I've only asked one girl to do this. Everyone is not an executive. Hopefully guys don't clean septic tanks and then go see an escort, but most prolly don't soak in a bath, get a manicure and hop in the limo. If you're worried about your clientele, raise your rates and you'll price the peasants out!!

[slinky]

From a moron/asshole with neither the guts nor the brains to say it in public because he knew he would get evicerated again, so I'll let the light in:


Well, I just read your long winded diatribe to my simple one line response. I don't want to resurrect that steaming pile of horse shit thread so I'm messaging you instead.

I lost alot of respect for you from your complete overreaction to my post. I quoted you word for word and then you backtrack by saying "who said i believe that?" If you don't believe it, then WHY THE FUCK DID YOU TYPE IT!!! You're the dumbass who said escorts turn themselves into businesses and don't get to have personal choices anymore. I wonder what Jennifer Paris would say if she knew what you really think of her and her profession.

BTW, if anyone created a strawman argument, it was YOU. You completely misrepresented my argument in an attempt to discredit it. In fact, pretty much every post of yours in that thread is one strawman argument after another. You took a simple and weak attempt at humor by Alyssa and turned it into some great offense to humanity. Get a life. I don't think it's a coincidence that she's pretty much stopped posting after having to put up your bullshit.

[alyssats]

Alyssa, thanks for the compliments on my ass, glad you liked it and it made your cock rock hard. Did I detect a dominant side in you with that last comment? Haha

yes sweetie kisses ;)

[alyssats]

Attractive and versatile sounds good to me!

i like this also! where are ths guys hiding? come to mama *wink wink*

[alyssats]

I'm not even going to visit the fantasy that every client should be a buff Adonis. But the assumption that every provider should be OK with some sweaty-assed, unwashed pig just because they are paying for the ride is ludicrous.

Call them what you will; Companion, escort, GFE, call girl, hooker, street-walker, whore, or lady of the evening (Or gentleman of the evening in recognition of Ken :) ), but they are human beings at the base of it all and deserve some modicum of respect.

Most of my dates have found me well-dressed and well-behaved and =ALL= of my dates have found me sparkly clean and respectful. Just because I'm forking over Benjamins doesn't give me license to abuse my date (Unless that's the sort of thing that you're into and paying for).

How they see me as far as good looks are concerned, eh. It hasn't been an issue. Maybe I choose my gurls based on intestinal fortitude that supersedes any shock value. :shrug

Seriously, everyone wants to have a good day at work, but life doesn't always work that way. Escorts at least have an out via the very basic disclaimer: I reserve the right to refuse service to anyone based on [Reasons]. Is it discriminatory? Yah, pretty much. Is it legal? Hell-OH! You've already stepped over the line of assumed legality just by picking up the phone and now you're going to harp about statutory law?

Puh-Leeze!

very good point ;)

[alyssats]

Oh come on Mr. Burbs... I'm not throwing stones at anyone regular here, but you're a gentleman and I bet you'd agree ilovetgirls36's words were a bit unbecoming towards Alyssa. I do sympathize for her, and she probably gets that sort of shut-up-and-fuck-me attitude from unattractive clients and it's got to be tough for her at times.

such a sweetie *blush*

[phobun]

I prefer to find transvestite prostitutes who walk the streets. I service them in my van give them a few free base hits and they are on their way. These sluts don't rush to the internet and talk about getting sucked by a 50 year old fag.



WTF. Dude you're a weirdo.

[princevince89]

WTF. Dude you're a weirdo.

LMAO, simple response like that tickle me

[JustinTime]

Alyssa i know what you mean.
I feel the same way when i met a chick from online. You really dont know what they look like until you get them naked in PERSON.
And, for me, its difficult to keep my dick hard when the chick has flab everywhere.
Too many chicks nowdays are just letting themselves go.
They all take the most gorgeous pics! How is it possible to hide 100lbs in a pic?
Not cool.

[JustinTime]

And also Alyssa you should come stateside sometime.
We could def have some fun.

[lisaparadise]

Alyssa i know what you mean.
I feel the same way when i met a chick from online. You really dont know what they look like until you get them naked in PERSON.
And, for me, its difficult to keep my dick hard when the chick has flab everywhere.
Too many chicks nowdays are just letting themselves go.
They all take the most gorgeous pics! How is it possible to hide 100lbs in a pic?
Not cool.ya its crazy i used to get that alot so i started putting vidz up worked for me but then again i love being naked

[alyssaluxor]

ohhh my just resurrected my thread...

just few days ago i was talking to a TS friend of mine shes very fully functional no hormones since birth. can get a hard COCK instantly but she told me she just met a client but his so fat. she cant get hard at all because his just so huge and fat. but the client insisted her to put her dick inside him. she said she almost want to puke...

just sharing the story she told me ok ;)

[alyssaluxor]

And also Alyssa you should come stateside sometime.
We could def have some fun.

owwww :jerkoff

:fuckin:

[DarylWashington]

ohhh my just resurrected my thread...

just few days ago i was talking to a TS friend of mine shes very fully functional no hormones since birth. can get a hard COCK instantly but she told me she just met a client but his so fat. she cant get hard at all because his just so huge and fat. but the client insisted her to put her dick inside him. she said she almost want to puke...

just sharing the story she told me ok ;)

Lmfao!

Everyone can't be good looking like me!

[alyssaluxor]

wow your avatar is gorgeous my love!

thanks sweetie baby

[nonnonnon]

I would love to even get rejected by Alyssa

[cyber]

Alyssa, I disagree with your theory. I have been a top most of my life and I'm good-looking, but now a little older. I can't even count how many GG's I've been with, and probably hundreds of T girls. Just recently have I bottomed on occasion just to try something new.

[JustinTime]

ohhh my just resurrected my thread...

just few days ago i was talking to a TS friend of mine shes very fully functional no hormones since birth. can get a hard COCK instantly but she told me she just met a client but his so fat. she cant get hard at all because his just so huge and fat. but the client insisted her to put her dick inside him. she said she almost want to puke...

just sharing the story she told me ok ;)
I feel bad for her....but then again, she prolly makes as much as i do in a week in 2 hours.
:Bowdown:


like my pops always said! http://i56.tinypic.com/121wje8.png http://i52.tinypic.com/63ykg6.png

Exactly fam. None of that anal shit on me.

[JustinTime]

In a deeper response to another post:

I think there are a lot more young Tops, and new guys that refuse bottoming in general because most of them, like myself, aren't gay.
We just want a hot chick....that just so happens to have a piece in between her legs.

There are gonna be a lot more tops, and they'll be young because this is an internet generation.
In the PastTGirls were ugly. Little more than guys in wigs.
Now that some are becoming as pretty as born females, more hetero guys are getting into it.
And being hetero, no way am i letting somebody put anything, let alone a dick, in my butt.
lol

[FreddieGomez]

well i'm confused by trannies who wanna be tops, isn't that defeating the purpose of being a woman?

[steeveX]

well i'm confused by trannies who wanna be tops, isn't that defeating the purpose of being a woman?

Doesn't matter in your case, as if you get any ass anyways :dancing:

[onmyknees]

Alyssa, I disagree with your theory. I have been a top most of my life and I'm good-looking, but now a little older. I can't even count how many GG's I've been with, and probably hundreds of T girls. Just recently have I bottomed on occasion just to try something new.


Modesty........adj. placing a moderate estimate on ones abilities b) neither bold nor self assured c) limited in size, amount or scope d) freedom from conciet or vanity.

I'm just sayin' !!

[MrsKellyPierce]

Really? I find most body builders/those beefy guys are bottom bitches??

[toopretty]

I also think it has alot to do with the time in history that they (middle age men now a days) grew up. I bet they suppressed their sexual fantasies, most of their life, and when they got older, their sexual desire exploded like a warped, perverse volcano. (ie, david carradine hanging himself while jacking off in fishnets). Most guys my age (in their 20's in this day and age) wont be the same way when we are middle age. Most of us have quite a bit of sex. I now that I fulfill 95% of my fantasies on a regular basis. so I wont have suppressed fantasies that become out of control over the decades and I wont become that guy that hires a hooker to show her hole arm up his ass (have you all seen that video , i almost threw up.)

[Dino Velvet]

Lucky for most T-Girl escorts like Alyssa a slob like me is top only. My funhole is more like a hellhole, caked full of dried poop and other unknown debris definitely being exit only.

[DarylWashington]

lucky for most t-girl escorts like alyssa a slob like me is top only. My funhole is more like a hellhole, caked full of dried poop and other unknown debris definitely being exit only.

lmfao!!!!!!