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sizequeen
04-28-2010, 05:34 AM
Earlier this month, Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell (R) signed (http://hamptonroads.com/2010/04/mcdonnell-signs-gun-bills-seeks-funding-tweak) legislation allowing “concealed carry permit holders to bring loaded handguns (http://www.bluevirginia.us/diary/67/mcdonnell-poised-to-sign-dangerous-gun-legislation)” into establishments that serve alcohol. The law allows permit holders to carry guns in restaurants, “as long as the holders do not consume alcohol (http://www.collegiatetimes.com/stories/15048/gun-bill-faces-opposition-ahead-of-vote).” A leading Virginia gun lobby is now arguing that the law unfairly stigmatizes gun carriers as second-class citizens because there is an exception that “allows law-enforcement officers and commonwealth’s attorneys to carry concealed weapons and consume alcohol.” Philip Van Cleave, leader of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, complained, “We’re not allowed to drink, but they (law enforcement officials) can. … That’s two classes of citizens (http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/state_regional/state_regional_govtpolitics/article/GUNS26_20100425-225601/340095/).” But Van Cleave has a solution (http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/state_regional/state_regional_govtpolitics/article/GUNS26_20100425-225601/340095/):
Van Cleave said one proposed bill would allow no one but an on-duty officer doing undercover work to drink alcohol while carrying a concealed weapon. The other bill will say that anyone can carry a concealed gun and drink if they wish, “as long as they are not drunk.”
“Whatever the General Assembly assumes will apply to everyone,” he said. “Police officers and permit holders are all in the same tent; so I say: General Assembly, you choose. But whatever it is, we’re equal.”
In a letter to McDonnell on behalf of the state’s police chiefs, Virginia Beach Police Chief Jake Jacocks, Jr. opposed the new law, arguing: “We can fully expect that at some point in the future a disagreement that today would likely end up in a verbal confrontation, or a bar fight, will inevitably end up with gunfire (http://supgv.org/alert/2010/march/19/virginia-governor-set-sign-bill-allow-guns-bars-and-other-dangerous-measures) if you sign this legislation into law.” The chances of that happening would only increase if the Virginia gun lobby has its way.

russtafa
04-30-2010, 03:15 PM
sounds like insanity

russtafa
05-24-2010, 01:44 PM
sounds a very ineresting idea

rameses2
05-25-2010, 04:02 AM
They say that God works in mysterious ways, maybe this is Darwin's Way of "thinning the herd" of those whose own stupidity is stronger than their self-preservation instinct!

SarahG
05-30-2010, 10:11 PM
They say that God works in mysterious ways, maybe this is Darwin's Way of "thinning the herd" of those whose own stupidity is stronger than their self-preservation instinct!

However stupid people seem to reproduce faster, and if thinned from the heard after reproducing, leave a bunch of kids with no one but the rest of society to pick up the tab.

If the story is true... if it is true that law enforcement can consume alcohol with side arms on their person, that should not be an argument for allowing civilians to do the same. Instead it should be an argument for reforming law enforcement regulations so that they cannot do so either!

trish
05-30-2010, 11:49 PM
Given reasonable cause a police officer will be granted a warrant to search a private residence...something you can't do if you're not a law officer. Does that establish two tiers of citizens, first and second class? If so, should your neighbor be allowed to obtain a warrant to search your house for the garden tool you borrowed but failed to return in a timely fashion?

Your legislators can propose, vote upon and pass new laws. Does that make non-legislators second class citizens. Does a representative republic by definition create first and second class citizens? Or is it simply the case that some jobs require the exercise of greater authority? (Of course with greater authority comes greater responsibilities and greater deterrents against abuse.)