Girls who only post here to promote...

[BellaBellucci]

add nothing to the community but thinly veiled advertisements. Some are good, some are bad, and some are practically spammed all over the board by 'teams' of users who are often just one person.

How do you feel about this? Shouldn't everyone here contribute more than self-serving ads?

~BB~

[TheGuard]

In an ideal world, genuine interaction would be wonderful, however given some of the communities members I can't say I blame them.

[rockabilly]

I like it when the ladies engage in discussions or just hang out and chat for a bit.

edit - But TheGuard has a point.

[Ts CinthyaNY]

Well, this is a forum where anyone can say whatever they want, for advertisement I believe we all get some of that depends on how much exposure they pursue... But reality is that a large percentage of gents that come to this site it is because they look for some sort of info on the girls and how to contact us.

I have lost count of how many PM's I had asking for more pics of me showing off, some ask nicely and others just trying to live up their fantasies.

Cin...

[rockabilly]

May i have a pic Cinthya? :D

[Nicole Dupre]

Personally, I love both talking and making money. The more of both, the merrier.

[cadcad]

I'd like much more contribution but it seems like that is the minority on this board. I don't blame any girl that only posts adds after I visited the chat room twice.

One guy told me "shut up they're whores" when I mentioned how disrespectful he was, and when I asked how to mute him I got kicked instead of him.

[Ts CinthyaNY]

Personally, I love both talking and making money. The more of both, the merrier.


Word !! ...


Cin.

[BellaBellucci]

Personally, I love both talking and making money. The more of both, the merrier.

That's cool. But you agree there should be a balance between the two, right?

~BB~

[Nicole Dupre]

Personally, I love both talking and making money. The more of both, the merrier.

That's cool. But you agree there should be a balance between the two, right?

~BB~
There always is balance imho. For every promotional post, there's always plenty of thought-provoking dialogue. But no one here has any personal responsibility to supply either. The only people who don't belong here AT ALL are the haters. :2cent

[BellaBellucci]

There always is balance imho. For every promotional post, there's always plenty of thought-provoking dialogue.

No, no hon. I mean for each individual. Every individual here does NOT post as much conversation as promotion. There are some who even post ALL promos and nothing of any long term interactive value. That's kind of what I'm getting at here.

~BB~

[sucka4chix]

The main reason I came to this board was to get info on parties and what not, because most of us rarely have other opportunities to see large quantities of the object of our affection in one place. So I love the party promotion. The girls marketing themselves, eh, not so much. I agree with both of you-- there should be balance, BUT no one is obligated to provide that balance. However, I must say that girls like Jennifer Paris have done more to promote themselves by being subtle and having other things to say than "look at me", than the market-aholics. I could name a few girls that I was a big fan of but can't stand now, simply because of the way they present themselves on HA.

[SarahG]

add nothing to the community but thinly veiled advertisements. Some are good, some are bad, and some are practically spammed all over the board by 'teams' of users who are often just one person.

How do you feel about this? Shouldn't everyone here contribute more than self-serving ads?

~BB~

If we're going to start asking for people who post promotional material stick around and talk more, that leads us down a slippery slope. What would be next, requiring guys post at least once a week to keep their accounts? Requiring they use their picture in their avatars? This could cause the downfall of civilization if we're not careful.

[Nicole Dupre]

There always is balance imho. For every promotional post, there's always plenty of thought-provoking dialogue.

No, no hon. I mean for each individual. Every individual here does NOT post as much conversation as promotion. There are some who even post ALL promos and nothing of any long term interactive value. That's kind of what I'm getting at here.

~BB~

Oh. In that case, I don't actually care. lol

I do my thing, and people are free to do theirs. Again, I just think that the assholes calling pre- and non-ops "untrue" need to get their bullshit posts jumped on when they talk smack. Haters are scum, and need to fuck off hard. Period.

[dgs925]

Haters are scum, and need to fuck off hard. Period.

talking about yourself?

[tsmandy]

No, I think nobody owes anyone a damn thing here. Guys come here mostly to bust a nut, and for the most part girls come here to make money. The whole idea of cyber community is in my mind a very sad substitute for genuine human community.

I come here to share with the people who are excited to see promotional material that I've been working on and occasionally join in a conversation. For the most part I don't relate to 99% of the discussions and find much of what people discussed to be utterly irrelevant to my daily life or interests. So I occasionally chip in, but mostly I just try to avoid bullshit and unpleasant interactions.

Keep in mind Bella that though it may seem like some of us are only here for promotion, we have also been part of this board for a much longer time than you and participation waxes and wanes. So a girl may seem like she contributes nothing, but often we've burned through every discussion 4x over and it just gets tiresome to have the same discussion with new people.

People who need more should find ways to make real friends and get involved in their communities.

Just my 2 cents

[Dirky]

No, I think nobody owes anyone a damn thing here. Guys come here mostly to bust a nut, and for the most part girls come here to make money. The whole idea of cyber community is in my mind a very sad substitute for genuine human community.

I come here to share with the people who are excited to see promotional material that I've been working on and occasionally join in a conversation. For the most part I don't relate to 99% of the discussions and find much of what people discussed to be utterly irrelevant to my daily life or interests. So I occasionally chip in, but mostly I just try to avoid bullshit and unpleasant interactions.

Keep in mind Bella that though it may seem like some of us are only here for promotion, we have also been part of this board for a much longer time than you and participation waxes and wanes. So a girl may seem like she contributes nothing, but often we've burned through every discussion 4x over and it just gets tiresome to have the same discussion with new people.

People who need more should find ways to make real friends and get involved in their communities.

Just my 2 cents

I do enjoy the contribution you make to the 1% of the topics that do interest you. You're a wonderful writer, bright and articulate. You also have a devilish, sarcastic sense of humor which always amuses me. Even if you didn't have anything to promote and never showed pics, you'd still be very entertaining and fun to read.

[Nicole Dupre]

Mandy gives me both intellectual and physical she-wood.

[Dirky]

Mandy gives me both intellectual and physical she-wood.

I think she should run for president. Our first tranny president. It could happen. Nicole, you'd make a good VP but your tendency to piss just about everybody and their dog off might hurt the ticket.

[tsmandy]

Thanks for the love Nicole and Dirky.

I will never run for office. I see myself more as a priestess of chaos and change. :) in a good way.

[Nicole Dupre]

Thanks for the love Nicole and Dirky.

I will never run for office. I see myself more as a priestess of chaos and change. :) in a good way.

Love you right back, you hot anarchistic cunt. lol

xo

[Dirky]

Thanks for the love Nicole and Dirky.

I will never run for office. I see myself more as a priestess of chaos and change. :) in a good way.

President or priestess, you still have my vote.

(do priestess's get elected?)

[CaptainGeech]

People come here for different reasons. I realize most of the girls post here mainly to promote themselves. I realize most of the guys come here just to bust a free nut. Some people come here to converse with "celebrities". Others come here because they are picture collectors. Some come here to learn more about a culture they aren't familiar with. And a select few seem to come here to be assholes and fuck up other people's day. And Etc......

I probably fall into several of those categories. Or did at one time. I got to be honest, if there were no pictures here and it was only text I probably wouldn't stick around. I cant even remember how I found this place. Probably a "shemale" porn google search. Its not just the sexy pictures I enjoy seeing. I actually thought it was pretty cool to see Kelly Shore post pictures of her engagement ring. I think that is why I have stayed. Not for that reason solely but for things like that. When people who normally would only come here to promote something feel a connection with people and let them into there life a little. Even though it doesn't benefit them in any way. I think that's cool.

In the end its pretty obvious who is hear solely to sell themselves. Even though some are more subtle than others. And those are the people I try to ignore or stay away from. Except for Jennifer Paris. I cant help it. She only posts here about one day out of the month but she is so sweet and subtle I cant help myself.

For this boards health we need posters with multiple agendas. The girls are the reason this site is up. If they want to sell something while they are here than so be it. Just remember you don't have to buy what they are selling.

[Dirky]

Love you right back, you hot anarchistic cunt. lol

xo

:lol:

"anarchistic cunt"?

I'll never be able to read any of Mandy's posts without thinking about that term of endearment. If it's alright with you, I'd like to change it to "our lovable, anarchistic, fuck-bunny cunt"

[tsmandy]

Thanks for the love Nicole and Dirky.

I will never run for office. I see myself more as a priestess of chaos and change. :) in a good way.

President or priestess, you still have my vote.

(do priestess's get elected?)

No they are annointed. :wink:

[tsmandy]

Love you right back, you hot anarchistic cunt. lol

xo

:lol:

"anarchistic cunt"?

I'll never be able to read any of Mandy's posts without thinking about that term of endearment. If it's alright with you, I'd like to change it to "our lovable, anarchistic, fuck-bunny cunt"

fuck bunny? My right eyebrow just arched dramatically. Sometimes lovable, sometimes just a cunt.

[rockabilly]

True Captain , you don't have to buy .... you can rent or lease w/ the option to buy. But nobody gets a test drive.

[Dirky]

fuck bunny? My right eyebrow just arched dramatically.

Is that good or bad? You didn't put some sort of a hex on me, I hope?

[tsmandy]

fuck bunny? My right eyebrow just arched dramatically.

Is that good or bad? You didn't put some sort of a hex on me, I hope?

No, I'm not in the habit of spreading misfortune upon people.

[Dirky]

No, I'm not in the habit of spreading misfortune upon people.

Do spankings and whippings count as "spreading misfortune"?

[tsmandy]

No, I'm not in the habit of spreading misfortune upon people.

Do spankings and whippings count as "spreading misfortune"?

No, those count as training.

[Dirky]

No, I'm not in the habit of spreading misfortune upon people.

Do spankings and whippings count as "spreading misfortune"?

No, those count as training.

Touche!

[flabbybody]

yea ladies, show up on HA once in a blue moon just to promote your dumb ass website. I know. it costs you zip and you get a zillion eyeballs.

But the smart ones hang out and post.

most of the male HA subscriber base has never met a tgirl irl. They just want some sort of cyber interaction.
talk to them instead of just throwing out your marketing bullshit... you'd be surprised

[blacktgirls]

add nothing to the community but thinly veiled advertisements. Some are good, some are bad, and some are practically spammed all over the board by 'teams' of users who are often just one person.

How do you feel about this? Shouldn't everyone here contribute more than self-serving ads?

~BB~ when some avatars only promote the prostitutes , it makes me think pimp or madam ?

[tsmandy]

yea ladies, show up on HA once in a blue moon just to promote your dumb ass website. I know. it costs you zip and you get a zillion eyeballs.

But the smart ones hang out and post.

most of the male HA subscriber base has never met a tgirl irl. They just want some sort of cyber interaction.
talk to them instead of just throwing out your marketing bullshit... you'd be surprised

But who exactly is everyone talking about? And what about people like Seanchai who at this point mostly promote their own sites as well? I don't get why it is ok to single girls out for something that is routinely done by many people.

[Dirky]

yea ladies, show up on HA once in a blue moon just to promote your dumb ass website. I know. it costs you zip and you get a zillion eyeballs.

But the smart ones hang out and post.

most of the male HA subscriber base has never met a tgirl irl. They just want some sort of cyber interaction.
talk to them instead of just throwing out your marketing bullshit... you'd be surprised

But who exactly is everyone talking about? And what about people like Seanchai who at this point mostly promote their own sites as well? I don't get why it is ok to single girls out for something that is routinely done by many people.

She has a point.

[Nicole Dupre]

yea ladies, show up on HA once in a blue moon just to promote your dumb ass website. I know. it costs you zip and you get a zillion eyeballs.

But the smart ones hang out and post.

most of the male HA subscriber base has never met a tgirl irl. They just want some sort of cyber interaction.
talk to them instead of just throwing out your marketing bullshit... you'd be surprised

You can't expect sexworkers to come here for babysitting purposes. Isn't it enough that we come around and try to be cordial? Most of the guys here are cool, but the ones who are haters have carte blanche. No one tolerates loudmouth assholes in a strip club, so why should we on a porn forum?

[JamesHunt]

:!:

[BellaBellucci]

No, I think nobody owes anyone a damn thing here. Guys come here mostly to bust a nut, and for the most part girls come here to make money. The whole idea of cyber community is in my mind a very sad substitute for genuine human community.

Right. Nobody owes anybody anything... but I never said they did. I just think it's irritating when girls come on here talking about this project or that project or brag about how great they look but contribute little to nothing else. It's banal and straight up narcissistic and frankly I for one don't find those traits attractive. If these girls are so great then they should be multi-dimensional and understand that physical beauty fades and also that the mind is the sexiest part of the human body - then they'll truly be beautiful.

Not to mention that there are so many better ways for a girl to receive validation (because let's be honest: it's not even always about business) than buying the biggest boobs and showing them off to anybody who will contribute to her narcissistic supply - on a message forum OR in real life. It's simply not what life is about.

And this place isn't a substitute for a 'genuine human community.' It's merely a supplement. I don't recall anybody saying otherwise.


I come here to share with the people who are excited to see promotional material that I've been working on and occasionally join in a conversation. For the most part I don't relate to 99% of the discussions and find much of what people discussed to be utterly irrelevant to my daily life or interests. So I occasionally chip in, but mostly I just try to avoid bullshit and unpleasant interactions.

I see you're taking this personally. Well, if the ego fits...


Keep in mind Bella that though it may seem like some of us are only here for promotion, we have also been part of this board for a much longer time than you and participation waxes and wanes. So a girl may seem like she contributes nothing, but often we've burned through every discussion 4x over and it just gets tiresome to have the same discussion with new people.

Seniority? Really now? Such a weak argument made by a person who, again, is taking this way too personally. I'm not talking about you and I didn't propose a competition here, but truth be told, I would never bother anyway because I find you to be an unworthy opponent with your fake, barely-political way about you and your obvious passive-aggressive streak once again evidenced by your being condescending to me here in a very thinly veiled way when, I repeat, this thread has nothing to do with you.

I do however suspect that you know who it is about and if I'm right, you can tell her to go fuck herself. She can do that in more ways than two now you know? :twisted:

Plus you're no more right in your mindset that this board has no bearing whatsoever on real life than those who seem to live only to post here, but again, this thread is not about you. You're nobody to me. You're not even on my radar. If I wanted to I could go off on you six ways from Sunday and in a way not nearly as subtle as that in my original post, but frankly you're just not worth it.


People who need more should find ways to make real friends and get involved in their communities.

So everyone here is fake (except you of course)? None of us ever meet each other or do things together in real life? This board can't be used as a communication tool or rallying point for those here who actually do have relationships in real life? Poor Mandy. Poor, poor Mandy. Tell us how you really feel about the members here. I suspect you don't think very highly of us. :roll:

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

People come here for different reasons. I realize most of the girls post here mainly to promote themselves. I realize most of the guys come here just to bust a free nut. Some people come here to converse with "celebrities".

You put 'celebrities' in quotes. I love it! You totally just made my point! :lol:

~BB~

[AmyDaly]

Having so much hostility and fighting on this board is one way to keep people from getting in to conversation here. Everything turns in to an argument and people hating eachother, its rediculous.

This is a porn board anyways...You can't really expect people to spend much time here debating politics or talking about how they feel about the weather. And who really cares anways? Why does it matter?

Some people are also busy and just don't make the time to post here or internet forums are just not their thing. I for one have a normal job plus doing porn on the side AND a w.o.w. addiction makes it hard sometimes. I can only image people's schedules who actually run a business like Seanchai. I hardly even get to attend guild raids anymore : (

[BellaBellucci]

Having so much hostility and fighting on this board is one way to keep people from getting in to conversation here. Everything turns in to an argument and people hating eachother, its rediculous.

I'm sorry hon but I have to disagree. I think the drama on the board, which normally only involves a few people at a time, is merely an excuse for the lazier (and in your case busier) among us to just hock our wares here and then disappear.

No, I take that back. Sometimes people stick around afterwards... just to bump their threads! :lol:

Real promotion involves a dialog with the fans. The business is changing and I pity those who don't change with it.

~BB~

[SammiValentine]

Having so much hostility and fighting on this board is one way to keep people from getting in to conversation here. Everything turns in to an argument and people hating eachother, its rediculous.

This is a porn board anyways...You can't really expect people to spend much time here debating politics or talking about how they feel about the weather. And who really cares anways? Why does it matter?

Some people are also busy and just don't make the time to post here or internet forums are just not their thing. I for one have a normal job plus doing porn on the side AND a w.o.w. addiction makes it hard sometimes. I can only image people's schedules who actually run a business like Seanchai. I hardly even get to attend guild raids anymore : (

I feel your pain amy!!! !!I had to quit the online games i loved a few years ago when I was trying to model,escort and worked as a financial underwriter also. I thought i would get more time when i lost my dayjob but fulltime adult industry leaves even less hours...

sob sob :-(
xx

[LibertyHarkness]

i am here to promote jesus !! problem with that ....see the boss upstairs mkay !!

nahhh i promote myself on here but join in now and then with topics ... but yes i agree with amy there is alot of hostility and twats on the board that deter girls from wanting to join in fully ... and also lets not forget the people that actually interact on the boards are only a tiny amount of the actual people viewing the board ..and most of them the lurkers want to whack off to pics etc ....

adapting your porn site sure thats for your paysite, chat on that cam on that etc whatever extra bonus modules you are going to use ...the key thing that drives someone to your site is a pic/vid link etc they have to be attracted to you in the first place ..

x

[tsmandy]

No, I think nobody owes anyone a damn thing here. Guys come here mostly to bust a nut, and for the most part girls come here to make money. The whole idea of cyber community is in my mind a very sad substitute for genuine human community.

Right. Nobody owes anybody anything... but I never said they did. I just think it's irritating when girls come on here talking about this project or that project or brag about how great they look but contribute little to nothing else. It's banal and straight up narcissistic and frankly I for one don't find those traits attractive. If these girls are so great then they should be multi-dimensional and understand that physical beauty fades and also that the mind is the sexiest part of the human body - then they'll truly be beautiful.

I think people use this board for a multitude of reasons and purposes and I don't really have an opinion on what those may be. You are totally entitled to your opinion, I was just stating mine. You asked if it bothered people, I said I didn't and I don't have any idea who you are referring to.



Not to mention that there are so many better ways for a girl to receive validation (because let's be honest: it's not even always about business) than buying the biggest boobs and showing them off to anybody who will contribute to her narcissistic supply - on a message forum OR in real life. It's simply not what life is about.

I don't believe life is about anything. I believe life is utterly random and oftentimes pointlessly cruel and painful, especially for TS women. Because of this I generally don't have opinions on what people do with their body and how they choose to interact with the world at large unless it directly affects me. I occupy an incredibly different world than the vast majority of the TS sex workers I have interacted with over the years and I certainly don't have much in common with most of the women I meet. I don't really give a shit about commodities, expensive clothes, nice cars, and even more as a porn star I have chosen a very different path with my body. Because of this I often feel a disconnect with most everyone I interact with in the TS porn world. It is important to me to get over that and understand where some of the other women are coming from and try and get to know them as people. For me that means not being quick to judge the decisions they make and hope that they can get to know me as a person and not just view me as a crazy dyke. So far I've been treated really well by just about all of the TS women I know through HA, and even though we have little in common I still have a great time with people.


I come here to share with the people who are excited to see promotional material that I've been working on and occasionally join in a conversation. For the most part I don't relate to 99% of the discussions and find much of what people discussed to be utterly irrelevant to my daily life or interests. So I occasionally chip in, but mostly I just try to avoid bullshit and unpleasant interactions.



I see you're taking this personally. Well, if the ego fits...



I wasn't insulted, I was just responding with my feelings on the subject. I think if you knew me you might interpret what I wrote in a very different lite. I'm pretty friendly and chill and I don't bicker with people.


Keep in mind Bella that though it may seem like some of us are only here for promotion, we have also been part of this board for a much longer time than you and participation waxes and wanes. So a girl may seem like she contributes nothing, but often we've burned through every discussion 4x over and it just gets tiresome to have the same discussion with new people.




Seniority? Really now? Such a weak argument made by a person who, again, is taking this way too personally. I'm not talking about you and I didn't propose a competition here, but truth be told, I would never bother anyway because I find you to be an unworthy opponent with your fake, barely-political way about you and your obvious passive-aggressive streak once again evidenced by your being condescending to me here in a very thinly veiled way when, I repeat, this thread has nothing to do with you.

It's not an argument. Its an explanation. I've been posting regularly on HA since 2006 and there have been long periods when I've been really depressed by the things people say and the way they treat each other and thus have limited my posting to updates to my site, and other times when I'm really enjoying the board. Alot of times I'm somewhere in between. I'm not sure what exactly I said to have you get so riled up, I didn't think this was that kind of discussion. I'm not your opponent Bella.





I do however suspect that you know who it is about and if I'm right, you can tell her to go fuck herself. She can do that in more ways than two now you know? :twisted:

Plus you're no more right in your mindset that this board has no bearing whatsoever on real life than those who seem to live only to post here, but again, this thread is not about you. You're nobody to me. You're not even on my radar. If I wanted to I could go off on you six ways from Sunday and in a way not nearly as subtle as that in my original post, but frankly you're just not worth it.

I had no idea this thread was aimed at someone in particular, guess I missed the memo. I've been a little preoccupied with trying to build a life for myself in a new city to keep up on who you are annoyed by currently.


People who need more should find ways to make real friends and get involved in their communities.



So everyone here is fake (except you of course)? None of us ever meet each other or do things together in real life? This board can't be used as a communication tool or rallying point for those here who actually do have relationships in real life? Poor Mandy. Poor, poor Mandy. Tell us how you really feel about the members here. I suspect you don't think very highly of us. :roll:

~BB~

That's not what I meant, but honestly Bella discussions like these make me sleepy and I'm losing steam. You wore me out. I come here to enjoy myself and this was not a pleasant response to read. You really don't know very much about me and its not very cool for you to speak ill of me in this way. Maybe some of the other girls here enjoy talking shit back and forth but it doesn't really work for me.

[giovanni_hotel]

I find when I don't expect too much from this board, those are the times when I'm pleasantly surprised by the depth and breadth of many posters on HA, especially the girls.

True, there's an undercurrent of sewage that flows through HA, in which case all we can do is try to avoid falling in it, but the girls promoting themselves doesn't bother really me.
Almost every Net board I belong to, non-porn included, has someone trying to sell me something, so IMO it's not that big a deal.

I will say that the girls who I've developed the biggest 'crushes' on, ( a couple who've posted in this thread) are those who reveal a bit more than a random nude pic, and usually those are the ones who share time in my private thoughts when I'm not logged on to HA.

But overall I'm like whateva on HA - the girls simply always turn me on in the pants, sometimes in the head, and rarely, but it does happen, in the heart.

For most guys who don't post, the majority, this forum would be ideal without the text, it's strictly a source of material to jackoff to.
Nothing wrong with that, but I can get more and better elsewhere.

I dunno, I just like sites where I have a chance to interact sometimes with mostly cool chicks.

If they happen to be TG, even better!!

[tsmandy]

Having so much hostility and fighting on this board is one way to keep people from getting in to conversation here. Everything turns in to an argument and people hating eachother, its rediculous.

This is a porn board anyways...You can't really expect people to spend much time here debating politics or talking about how they feel about the weather. And who really cares anways? Why does it matter?

Some people are also busy and just don't make the time to post here or internet forums are just not their thing. I for one have a normal job plus doing porn on the side AND a w.o.w. addiction makes it hard sometimes. I can only image people's schedules who actually run a business like Seanchai. I hardly even get to attend guild raids anymore : (

I feel your pain amy!!! !!I had to quit the online games i loved a few years ago when I was trying to model,escort and worked as a financial underwriter also. I thought i would get more time when i lost my dayjob but fulltime adult industry leaves even less hours...

sob sob :-(
xx

Love your new avatar Sammi, you are looking great. :)

[SammiValentine]

Aaw thanks Mandy, yours always looks great :) x

[BellaBellucci]

No, I think nobody owes anyone a damn thing here. Guys come here mostly to bust a nut, and for the most part girls come here to make money. The whole idea of cyber community is in my mind a very sad substitute for genuine human community.

Right. Nobody owes anybody anything... but I never said they did. I just think it's irritating when girls come on here talking about this project or that project or brag about how great they look but contribute little to nothing else. It's banal and straight up narcissistic and frankly I for one don't find those traits attractive. If these girls are so great then they should be multi-dimensional and understand that physical beauty fades and also that the mind is the sexiest part of the human body - then they'll truly be beautiful.

I think people use this board for a multitude of reasons and purposes and I don't really have an opinion on what those may be. You are totally entitled to your opinion, I was just stating mine. You asked if it bothered people, I said I didn't and I don't have any idea who you are referring to.



Not to mention that there are so many better ways for a girl to receive validation (because let's be honest: it's not even always about business) than buying the biggest boobs and showing them off to anybody who will contribute to her narcissistic supply - on a message forum OR in real life. It's simply not what life is about.

I don't believe life is about anything. I believe life is utterly random and oftentimes pointlessly cruel and painful, especially for TS women. Because of this I generally don't have opinions on what people do with their body and how they choose to interact with the world at large unless it directly affects me. I occupy an incredibly different world than the vast majority of the TS sex workers I have interacted with over the years and I certainly don't have much in common with most of the women I meet. I don't really give a shit about commodities, expensive clothes, nice cars, and even more as a porn star I have chosen a very different path with my body. Because of this I often feel a disconnect with most everyone I interact with in the TS porn world. It is important to me to get over that and understand where some of the other women are coming from and try and get to know them as people. For me that means not being quick to judge the decisions they make and hope that they can get to know me as a person and not just view me as a crazy dyke. So far I've been treated really well by just about all of the TS women I know through HA, and even though we have little in common I still have a great time with people.


I come here to share with the people who are excited to see promotional material that I've been working on and occasionally join in a conversation. For the most part I don't relate to 99% of the discussions and find much of what people discussed to be utterly irrelevant to my daily life or interests. So I occasionally chip in, but mostly I just try to avoid bullshit and unpleasant interactions.



I see you're taking this personally. Well, if the ego fits...



I wasn't insulted, I was just responding with my feelings on the subject. I think if you knew me you might interpret what I wrote in a very different lite. I'm pretty friendly and chill and I don't bicker with people.


Keep in mind Bella that though it may seem like some of us are only here for promotion, we have also been part of this board for a much longer time than you and participation waxes and wanes. So a girl may seem like she contributes nothing, but often we've burned through every discussion 4x over and it just gets tiresome to have the same discussion with new people.




Seniority? Really now? Such a weak argument made by a person who, again, is taking this way too personally. I'm not talking about you and I didn't propose a competition here, but truth be told, I would never bother anyway because I find you to be an unworthy opponent with your fake, barely-political way about you and your obvious passive-aggressive streak once again evidenced by your being condescending to me here in a very thinly veiled way when, I repeat, this thread has nothing to do with you.

It's not an argument. Its an explanation. I've been posting regularly on HA since 2006 and there have been long periods when I've been really depressed by the things people say and the way they treat each other and thus have limited my posting to updates to my site, and other times when I'm really enjoying the board. Alot of times I'm somewhere in between. I'm not sure what exactly I said to have you get so riled up, I didn't think this was that kind of discussion. I'm not your opponent Bella.





I do however suspect that you know who it is about and if I'm right, you can tell her to go fuck herself. She can do that in more ways than two now you know? :twisted:

Plus you're no more right in your mindset that this board has no bearing whatsoever on real life than those who seem to live only to post here, but again, this thread is not about you. You're nobody to me. You're not even on my radar. If I wanted to I could go off on you six ways from Sunday and in a way not nearly as subtle as that in my original post, but frankly you're just not worth it.

I had no idea this thread was aimed at someone in particular, guess I missed the memo. I've been a little preoccupied with trying to build a life for myself in a new city to keep up on who you are annoyed by currently.


People who need more should find ways to make real friends and get involved in their communities.



So everyone here is fake (except you of course)? None of us ever meet each other or do things together in real life? This board can't be used as a communication tool or rallying point for those here who actually do have relationships in real life? Poor Mandy. Poor, poor Mandy. Tell us how you really feel about the members here. I suspect you don't think very highly of us. :roll:

~BB~

That's not what I meant, but honestly Bella discussions like these make me sleepy and I'm losing steam. You wore me out. I come here to enjoy myself and this was not a pleasant response to read. You really don't know very much about me and its not very cool for you to speak ill of me in this way. Maybe some of the other girls here enjoy talking shit back and forth but it doesn't really work for me.

Fair enough. This answer was very diplomatic. Your first? Not so much IMHO. And I hope you don't seriously see yourself as the only outsider around here. It's simply not true. In fact you and I are a lot alike in that way and there are plenty more among us. Not every girl is a contestant in the glam competition of transdom and that is in fact what this very thread is really all about. I'm trying to figure out how you could have missed that.

I hope in the future you discriminate a little less against your own kind and open up to one or two of us on a more personal level instead of writing off this board and everyone on it as a poor substitution for a 'real human community' as I think you put it. I remind you: it's not a substitution - merely a supplement. Get to know some us of. We don't bite.


Ok, maybe a little. :P

~BB~

[2009AD]

1- HA is a porn board. Most men come here to check out pics/vids, get news on working girls, or get info. on parties in their cities.

2- Sure, it's nice when ladies and guys stick around to interact with each other, but that is totally up the the individual.

3- Why do people think that HA is a "community?" HA is no more a community that your local bar. It's not like HA members raise money for charities or take part in public demonstrations.

4- I have no problem with a chick who only posts to promote her projects. What are we going to do? Start keeping track of the type of posts girls make?

[Silcc69]

I wonder who on earth are these "promotion" girls anyways?

[hippifried]

Everybody's hustlin' somethin'. It's nothing new.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyMYu_cAoWA

It can be goods, services, or simply an idea.
Even in the most in-depth conversation, you're trying to sell your point.
Maybe the animosity over self promotion would lessen if we just call it "networking". :)

[sucka4chix]

I'm not really gettin the concept that guys come here to whack off. If that's so, you guys need to learn to master google. There is far more free porn out there than on HA. To me, this is a place to get information.
I don't know who Bella is thinking about, but I know one person who just seems to stink of self-promotion when she just says hello and it IS quite irritating. I would think she's losing more fans than she's gaining, but I realize alotta guys here don't think about shit else but a girls cock, as evidenced by the continued gushing over girls even after they say something ridiculously stupid or offensive.

[tsmandy]

Fair enough. This answer was very diplomatic. Your first? Not so much IMHO. And I hope you don't seriously see yourself as the only outsider around here. It's simply not true. In fact you and I are a lot alike in that way and there are plenty more among us. Not every girl is a contestant in the glam competition of transdom and that is in fact what this very thread is really all about. I'm trying to figure out how you could have missed that.

Actually I think my original post was pretty diplomatic. I simply stated that after being here the last 4 years my interest waxed and waned and I mostly focus on those people I know IRL. I'm sorry if it felt like an attack to you.

Of course I don't see myself as the only outsider, never said I was. My sense of alienation is much larger than HA. My community isn't represented here though, and I still have little in common with people here. Unless there is some sort of radical queer contingent I'm unaware of.




I hope in the future you discriminate a little less against your own kind and open up to one or two of us on a more personal level instead of writing off this board and everyone on it as a poor substitution for a 'real human community' as I think you put it. I remind you: it's not a substitution - merely a supplement. Get to know some us of. We don't bite.



Discriminate? What the fuck are you talking about? Who have I ever discriminated against? I know many people from HA and I never wrote the people who use this board off. I just don't use the internet to get to know people. I have to worry about how much of my life I expose online. I have a need to protect my privacy and safety from stalkers as do many other girls on here, and because of this I keep alot to myself. After years of sharing my body and life publicly I'm at a point where I'm very picky what I feel like sharing with random strangers. I like my secrets. I don't like being attacked for sharing differing viewpoints (which is exactly what happened here) and I know alot of girls who feel the same way.

[werwt22]

I agree with bella for the most part. I dont have a problem with promotion, but like she said, participate every once in a while. You gain so much respect, and attention that way. So many girls on here I didnt like but they grew on me because they used to interact with the people on this forum and now theyre some of my favs. But at the same time, I dont really give a damn...I didnt know you before, so it doesnt hurt not knowing you now. Just saying its beneficial to both sides.

Complaining about haters? So I suppose when you post, everyone is supposed to hop on the bandwagon, "Oh youre so beautiful;When are you gonna be in Texas?; LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!!!" HAHA. Cmon, the spam just gets so damn old, and no one wants to see 1000 replys of how cute you are and what we would do to you.

P.S. seanchai used to be a very active member.

[dgs925]

Bella is a mental midget compared to Mandy, IMO. Maybe if she had something to promote she wouldn't be so eager to start shit with those that do.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I am sorry Bella, but if the girls are trying to make money off the regular posters they are getting ripped off lol since most do torrent sites....or get off on the 2 or 3 minute clip previews.

Secondly, the girls sponsor this board as well as Seanchai, they have a right to post whatever they want as long as it adheres to the guidelines and rules made by Nyce.

Thirdly, I used to post a lot more obviously by post count. But I find the new posts BORING! I have mostly made promotion posts as of late. The threads I have made for discussion turn into DRAMA and/or I am straighter than you competition. Its stupid.

I mostly post here to promote the chatroom, because I do get sign ups from it and I enjoy the people who come in. I only post here now for the older posters I still like. When I see an interesting thread like this one I will post on it. But as Mandy said a lot of us have earned our stripes on this board and get tired of the same drivel over and over. I get tired of the homophobic threads, the am I gay threads, and the hi-jacking threads. I am also tired of people making several phoney names and nothing being done about it. Transsexuals and male posters are guilty of this. Some do it to give themselves compliments or pose as fake clients for a fake review and/or to support their views in an argument. Its so dumb!

These are many of the reasons I don't post, and not to mention a lot of the men act like catty gossiping teenage girls, rather then men. They should get on hormones and get it over with.

Sweet Kisses,

Kelly


Thanks Mr Grech and Mandy has never been about drama.

And I know you are referring to Danielle lol girl so funny!

[Silcc69]

These are many of the reasons I don't post, and not to mention a lot of the men act like catty gossiping teenage girls, rather then men. They should get on hormones and get it over with.

Come on Kelly while some of the guys can be bit of a nuisance on here the most bitter and worst fights are the girl on girl fights that take place on here.

[tsmandy]

Thanks Mr Grech and Mandy has never been about drama.


I'm glad some people notice :) Even when I've had legitimate grievances that probably should be aired publicly I've avoided names and been discreet, and I have never criticized another woman for her looks, friends, or choices. I'm a feminist and I believe in supporting other women in the industry and thats about as far as it goes with me. Anyone who has ever spent time with me will vouch that I'm about as genuine and accepting as it gets, so it sucks to have my character attacked. Anyways, at least this has got us talking.

BTW, congrats Kelly on the engagement. I wish you the very best of luck and love.

[BellaBellucci]

Bella is a mental midget compared to Mandy, IMO. Maybe if she had something to promote she wouldn't be so eager to start shit with those that do.

I'm a lot of things, but insecure about my intelligence has never been one of them. Just because Mandy and I disagree, it doesn't make either of us stupid. Not to mention that I've done my share of promotion around here but also contributed quite a bit and if you don't know that then you don't know what the hell you're talking about. That makes YOU the mental midget.

But whatever, the mighty dgs925 has spoken I guess. :roll:

~BB~

[ALYSINCLAIRxxx]

Honestly, I thought the purpose of sites like this is to promote the new DVD's and website releases. The fact that it is a well used forum to discuss other topics is good, but I would consider secondary. All the forum spawns from the promotion, no?

[Dirky]

Honestly, I thought the purpose of sites like this is to promote the new DVD's and website releases. The fact that it is a well used forum to discuss other topics is good, but I would consider secondary. All the forum spawns from the promotion, no?

No Aly, these forums were started to give us an outlet to discuss the laws of gravity and the meaning of the universe. That, and pondering whether liking transsexuals makes us gay or not.

[ALYSINCLAIRxxx]

Oh, yea, right.

;)



Honestly, I thought the purpose of sites like this is to promote the new DVD's and website releases. The fact that it is a well used forum to discuss other topics is good, but I would consider secondary. All the forum spawns from the promotion, no?

No Aly, these forums were started to give us an outlet to discuss the laws of gravity and the meaning of the universe. That, and pondering whether liking transsexuals makes us gay or not.

[raybbaby]

Honestly, I thought the purpose of sites like this is to promote the new DVD's and website releases. The fact that it is a well used forum to discuss other topics is good, but I would consider secondary. All the forum spawns from the promotion, no? yes, I believe you are correct.

[ALYSINCLAIRxxx]

I don't know, Dirky seems to make a very valid point. Thank you though, Ray!

[peggygee]

For the woman that are here to promote their wares, I do think it would
be to their advantage to chat up the guys, to market themslves, to
seperate themselves from the pack.

That way the guy would get a sense of how the girl would be IRL.

Conversely if she is a bitch, and rude, and negative on the forum, it's a
good chance that she is going to be a bitch when you meet.

In a market filled with pretty faces and hot bodies a woman needs to know
how to appeal to all of a man's senses, she needs to know how to be a
courtesan, not just get the money, suck him, fuck him and kick him out.

Also, perhaps some of the girls don't do alot of convo because English isn't
their first language, and it also may e because of all the flaming, cattiness,
and infighting that they see on the site.

:2cent

[2009AD]

if she is a bitch, and rude, and negative on the forum, it's a good chance that she is going to be a bitch when you meet.

:wink:

[liisawinklergirl]

1- HA is a porn board. Most men come here to check out pics/vids, get news on working girls, or get info. on parties in their cities.

2- Sure, it's nice when ladies and guys stick around to interact with each other, but that is totally up the the individual.

3- Why do people think that HA is a "community?" HA is no more a community that your local bar. It's not like HA members raise money for charities or take part in public demonstrations.

4- I have no problem with a chick who only posts to promote her projects. What are we going to do? Start keeping track of the type of posts girls make?

these are very valid points...

this is a forum and everyone can do anything they want to...and from the many viewpoints i've read YES, how a girl advertises and packages herself in her promotions can also be indicative of her depth, maturity, intelligence and most of all attractiveness to the buyers...

[blacktgirls]

add nothing to the community but thinly veiled advertisements. Some are good, some are bad, and some are practically spammed all over the board by 'teams' of users who are often just one person.

How do you feel about this? Shouldn't everyone here contribute more than self-serving ads?

~BB~ spammed by " teams " of users !!! ... FAKE " asskissing " users , made up by the " girl " whose name is on the thread ... or by her fairy friends !!!!!! i have noticed how some of these guys , not even with avatar pics , only post to kiss some girl's ass ... and have never posted any thoughts on the subject threads :roll: