Transsexual Women And Their Image Of Feminity

[elo]

After a long time of observance i got the impression that most transsexual women have a certain image of a feminity:A face that is shaped in a certain way
Big boobs
Wide loaded hips
Small shouldersThat is only a small part of reality but it seems to most Tgirls that is the only reality.A lot GG´s don´t have big boobs,wide hips,small shoulders and their face is not shaped the "ideal way".
So i wonder why most Tgirls accept only the above image of feminity?
My assumption is they compensate their feeling of not being feminine or being not enough feminine if they don´t match the cliche of above discribed image.

Any thoughts or comments?Am i right,am i wrong?

I added some pics as examples.

Edited cause i forgot about small shoulders.

[Princessolga]

probably because we pay more attention to our "masculine" traits than GGs. We make our male puberty responsible for every trait, that is not feminine..
I dont know, if i would have ever noticed ,that i have a "Brow bossing" if i would have been born with the right body....

[Legend]

Any thoughts or comments?

Yeah what a bunch of bullshit!!

[EyeCumInPiece]

Any thoughts or comments?

Yeah what a bunch of bullshit!!

':claps'

[elo]

Any thoughts or comments?

Yeah what a bunch of bullshit!!

':claps'Thank you both for the objective comment.

[Legend]

Any thoughts or comments?

Yeah what a bunch of bullshit!!

':claps'Thank you both for the objective comment.

I didn't think there was a need to go into it, anyone with any kind of sense can see through your generalization bs.Some of you guys trip me out you think because you masterbate to tranny porn you can judge them and throw your generalizations on them, news flash you aren't a tranny expert because your into tranny porn.

[TsVanessa69]

I'm Puerto Rican
I grew up in a house where the men always commented on how wide hips and a round ass wre what made a woman a woman.
That was my image in my head of how I should look and I made it happen.

[tsmandy]

I love it when I find GG with smaller boobs than me. I love small breasts.

[farang]

I love small breasts.

Me too ! especially yours.

[BellaBellucci]

I'm Puerto Rican
I grew up in a house where the men always commented on how wide hips and a round ass wre what made a woman a woman.
That was my image in my head of how I should look and I made it happen.

I know what you mean. I was always made fun of as a male FOR my wide hips and round ass so I have to agree: that's what guys see first and foremost.

~BB~

[SarahG]

After a long time of observance i got the impression that most transsexual women have a certain image of a feminity:A face that is shaped in a certain way
Big boobs
Wide loaded hipsThat is only a small part of reality but it seems to most Tgirls that is the only reality.A lot GG´s don´t have big boobs,wide hips and their face is not shaped the "ideal way".
So i wonder why most Tgirls accept only the above image of feminity?
My assumption is they compensate their feeling of not being feminine or being not enough feminine if they don´t match the cliche of above discribed image.

Any thoughts or comments?

I added some pics as examples.

You can nickle and dime away every secondary sex "male" characteristic as something some GG's have from time to time.

Facial hair? Baldness? Small tits? Deep voices? Adams apples? Beer bellies? Lots of body hair? Thin hips? Broad shoulders? High hairlines? Large feet? All that and more can be found in the GG population.

If you're going to look at each of these things individually, find examples where it happens for GG's, and then go "see! You don't need to have these things changed" then you've effectively just said "there is no reason to transition."

So why transition? Because it's got nothing to do with what some GG's look like. Guess what? Some GG's can't pass as girls. Even then, it's fairly rare for a GG to have the "whole package" of looking like your typical guy. The reason for transitioning is to be comfortable in your own skin. What that entails is different for everyone.

Another dimension to this is that GG's look the way they do, often because that's just the way their bodies naturally developed. Unless they decide to get breast implants, what they have came to them on its own.

With someone who is trans, in order to get breasts you have to go out of your way to do something about it- whether we're talking HRT, or implants- or as is usually the case, both. So the big question is "well, if I am going under the knife ANYWAY, why should I go with an A when I could get C's instead? Sure, most girls in my family have A's or B's, but I bet more guys would notice me if I had C's or D's" It's not a predicament that most GG's have to even think about unless they just had a mastectomy from breast cancer.

Same with facial surgery. Ok, so you've got a really pronounced brow and want it shaved off. You're going under anyway, why not have them add cheek implants while they're in there? Why not do a nose job at the same time? Most GG's don't have to worry about getting FFS, so they don't have to make choices about what gets done to their faces.

Or how about facial hair; ok, so some GG's get facial hair. If you're going in to get laser, are you really going to say "oh, be sure to leave a few intact on my upper lip, I see a lot of post menopausal women with facial hair so there's no need to kill ALL of them"!?

Plus for GG's there is no trauma of having to undergo the wrong puberty. There's a lot of emotional baggage there. Sure, GG's have menopause eventually- but most of the changes that brings on (in terms of skin roughening, hair loss, facial hair, etc.) is 1- not nearly as severe (damn few GG's in menopause get full beards or lose ALL their hair), 2- a hell of a lot slower in occurring. Puberty is a fast passed process, if it's going the "wrong way" you're going to notice it in a hurry AND you're not going to have shit to do about it but suffer (because you're a child and don't have control over your own life yet), unlike menopause when you can just go on HRT.

[Mr Dazzle]

They are delusional, but if it makes them happy I say we leave them alone.

[CannibalMan]

I added some pics as examples.

I've seen a lot of TG that look like pics 2 and 3. That's the 'young girl' look, while the first pic is has more of an 'adult woman' look. To guy's eyes, both looks have their attractiveness.

[elo]

Any thoughts or comments?

Yeah what a bunch of bullshit!!

':claps'Thank you both for the objective comment.

I didn't think there was a need to go into it, anyone with any kind of sense can see through your generalization bs.Some of you guys trip me out you think because you masterbate to tranny porn you can judge them and throw your generalizations on them, news flash you aren't a tranny expert because your into tranny porn.First of all i did not judge anybody and i did not generalize as well.I would appreciate it if you would read first and then comment.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

I say, why, WHY must be always be lumped into a group? We all certainly don't want to all look the same way.

All of us are very different and we each have different beauty ideals.
I always admired hyper-feminine women. So that is the path I followed.

Not everyone has the same idea.
There are genetic women with no hips, butts, boobs, big noses, -etc etc.

The best example I can give of this is going to a ts party. There you will find a kaleidoscope of different women with all types of looks, bodys, sizes, etc etc just like you would at any social club of gg women. I mean just look at this board- there are so many different looks the girls have.

What we percieve for ousrselves I think has little to do with thinking what a man may find attractive. At least for me anyway.

[TsVanessa69]

I say, why, WHY must be always be lumped into a group? We all certainly don't want to all look the same way.

All of us are very different and we each have different beauty ideals.
I always admired hyper-feminine women. So that is the path I followed.

Not everyone has the same idea.
There are genetic women with no hips, butts, boobs, big noses, -etc etc.

The best example I can give of this is going to a ts party. There you will find a kaleidoscope of different women with all types of looks, bodys, sizes, etc etc just like you would at any social club of gg women. I mean just look at this board- there are so many different looks the girls have.

What we percieve for ousrselves I think has little to do with thinking what a man may find attractive. At least for me anyway.
I totally agree with Allanah.
When I was getting my work done on my body, men were the furthest thing from my mind.
I felt as though I had found that fairy godmother who was going to make me the girl of MY dreams!

[Legend]

First of all i did not judge anybody and i did not generalize as well.I would appreciate it if you would read first and then comment.


After a long time of observance i got the impression that most transsexual women have a certain image of a feminity


That is only a small part of reality but it seems to most Tgirls that is the only reality.A lot GG´s don´t have big boobs,wide hips,small shoulders and their face is not shaped the "ideal way".


So i wonder why most Tgirls accept only the above image of feminity?


My assumption is they compensate their feeling of not being feminine or being not enough feminine if they don´t match the cliche of above discribed image.

[elo]

First of all i did not judge anybody and i did not generalize as well.I would appreciate it if you would read first and then comment.


After a long time of observance i got the impression that most transsexual women have a certain image of a feminity


That is only a small part of reality but it seems to most Tgirls that is the only reality.A lot GG´s don´t have big boobs,wide hips,small shoulders and their face is not shaped the "ideal way".


So i wonder why most Tgirls accept only the above image of feminity?


My assumption is they compensate their feeling of not being feminine or being not enough feminine if they don´t match the cliche of above discribed image.Thank you,Legend for proofen me right.

[blonde_sweetheart]

SarahG is totally right.

[phobun]

double post

[phobun]

The reason for transitioning is to be comfortable in your own skin. Unfortunately you're not preaching to the choir here. For a lot of cock-bandits, the reason for transitioning is to help absolve them of their cognitive dissonance. They want cock, but can't see themselves with a man, because that would mean they are gay. But if she walks and talks like a chick, then it is okay for love her for her dick.

The cock-bandits are the first the defend a transwoman's desire to be called a woman, because of the implications her choice has for their own lives. But the cock-bandits become quite paternalistic as soon as her choices start to include that insane subject of SRS.

[wbilly]

After a long time of observance i got the impression that most transsexual women have a certain image of a feminity:

A face that is shaped in a certain way
Big boobs
Wide loaded hips
Small shoulders

Who have you observed? Just hookers and porn stars? I know many transgendered women of all races and ages and their faces and bodies cover the whole spectrum of shapes and sizes.

[elo]

I say, why, WHY must be always be lumped into a group? We all certainly don't want to all look the same way.

All of us are very different and we each have different beauty ideals.
I always admired hyper-feminine women. So that is the path I followed.

Not everyone has the same idea.
There are genetic women with no hips, butts, boobs, big noses, -etc etc.

The best example I can give of this is going to a ts party. There you will find a kaleidoscope of different women with all types of looks, bodys, sizes, etc etc just like you would at any social club of gg women. I mean just look at this board- there are so many different looks the girls have.

What we percieve for ousrselves I think has little to do with thinking what a man may find attractive. At least for me anyway.Nobody is lumped into something.I have an impression and wanted to see if i´m right or not.As i said most transwomen follow the said image i did not think 99%,i thought of about 70-75%.And i did not say that transwomen transition in a certain way to fulfill mans desires.

[archineer]

Why critisise trans women's hyper femininity? If you're going to change into a woman then why not be a perfect one? Its why many of us love them.

[archineer]

The reason for transitioning is to be comfortable in your own skin. Unfortunately you're not preaching to the choir here. For a lot of cock-bandits, the reason for transitioning is to help absolve them of their cognitive dissonance. They want cock, but can't see themselves with a man, because that would mean they are gay. But if she walks and talks like a chick, then it is okay for love her for her dick.

The cock-bandits are the first the defend a transwoman's desire to be called a woman, because of the implications her choice has for their own lives. But the cock-bandits become quite paternalistic as soon as her choices start to include that insane subject of SRS.

You really do not understand straight men's attractions.

[farang]

What the fuck is hyper femininity ?

[SarahG]

What the fuck is hyper femininity ?

The opposite of hyper masculinity.

[phobun]

What the fuck is hyper femininity ?

The opposite of hyper masculinity.
Wouldn't hypo- be the opposite of hyper-?

[DeliaTS]

I think it's pretty presumptuous of you to assume that all the gg's in the pictures you posted feel 100% comfortable with their body image and facial features. For all you know the girl with small breasts may be modeling just so she can raise the money for a boob job.

[trish]

You can nickle and dime away every secondary sex "male" characteristic as something some GG's have from time to time.

Facial hair? Baldness? Small tits? Deep voices? Adams apples? Beer bellies? Lots of body hair? Thin hips? Broad shoulders? High hairlines? Large feet? All that and more can be found in the GG population.

If you're going to look at each of these things individually, find examples where it happens for GG's, and then go "see! You don't need to have these things changed" then you've effectively just said "there is no reason to transition."

So why transition? Because it's got nothing to do with what some GG's look like. Guess what? Some GG's can't pass as girls. Even then, it's fairly rare for a GG to have the "whole package" of looking like your typical guy. The reason for transitioning is to be comfortable in your own skin. What that entails is different for everyone.

Another dimension to this is that GG's look the way they do, often because that's just the way their bodies naturally developed. Unless they decide to get breast implants, what they have came to them on its own.

With someone who is trans, in order to get breasts you have to go out of your way to do something about it- whether we're talking HRT, or implants- or as is usually the case, both. So the big question is "well, if I am going under the knife ANYWAY, why should I go with an A when I could get C's instead? Sure, most girls in my family have A's or B's, but I bet more guys would notice me if I had C's or D's" It's not a predicament that most GG's have to even think about unless they just had a mastectomy from breast cancer.

Same with facial surgery. Ok, so you've got a really pronounced brow and want it shaved off. You're going under anyway, why not have them add cheek implants while they're in there? Why not do a nose job at the same time? Most GG's don't have to worry about getting FFS, so they don't have to make choices about what gets done to their faces.

Or how about facial hair; ok, so some GG's get facial hair. If you're going in to get laser, are you really going to say "oh, be sure to leave a few intact on my upper lip, I see a lot of post menopausal women with facial hair so there's no need to kill ALL of them"!?

Plus for GG's there is no trauma of having to undergo the wrong puberty. There's a lot of emotional baggage there. Sure, GG's have menopause eventually- but most of the changes that brings on (in terms of skin roughening, hair loss, facial hair, etc.) is 1- not nearly as severe (damn few GG's in menopause get full beards or lose ALL their hair), 2- a hell of a lot slower in occurring. Puberty is a fast passed process, if it's going the "wrong way" you're going to notice it in a hurry AND you're not going to have shit to do about it but suffer (because you're a child and don't have control over your own life yet), unlike menopause when you can just go on HRT.

That pretty much nails it for me. Nicely done Sarah. 8)

[SarahG]

What the fuck is hyper femininity ?

The opposite of hyper masculinity.
Wouldn't hypo- be the opposite of hyper-?

Not in this context because we are talking about how much masculinity in one case, and how much femininity in the other.

So hyper- (beyond/above) -masculinity would be having great masculinity, and hyper-femininity would be having great femininity.

This assumes masculinity and femininity are two different things and not points on a common line. Hypo-femininity does not necessarily imply hyper-masculinity per say

[archineer]

Hyper femininity- when trans girls exaggerate female features, dress and behaviour, often to the point where they become unpassable.

[phobun]

What the fuck is hyper femininity ?

The opposite of hyper masculinity.
Wouldn't hypo- be the opposite of hyper-?

Not in this context because we are talking about how much masculinity in one case, and how much femininity in the other.

So hyper- (beyond/above) -masculinity would be having great masculinity, and hyper-femininity would be having great femininity.

This assumes masculinity and femininity are two different things and not points on a common line. Hypo-femininity does not necessarily imply hyper-masculinity per say
I meant it as a bit of a joke, but I think I agree overall. I think of it is a continuum with hyper-feminine at one extreme end, and hyper-masculine at the other extreme, and hypo-feminine and hypo-masculine on either side of neuter in the middle.

[tg4me]

Lots of good points and many are written well. Please keep in mind this IS a porn site. If this was a TS awareness forum, many things would be out of line.
I'm not sure a thread saying "only black TS's" is any less insensitive to some.

And if I'm rude for siding with those not fond of the overstated look, then I am just as insulted when I hear the words "bitches, hoes and cunts" used as endearing terms.

[elo]

I think it's pretty presumptuous of you to assume that all the gg's in the pictures you posted feel 100% comfortable with their body image and facial features. For all you know the girl with small breasts may be modeling just so she can raise the money for a boob job.Some maybe are uncomfortable with their small breast and want a breast augmentation.And some maybe are uncomfortable with their large breast and want a breast reduction.
The point is:We never know if a woman on a pic is comfortable with her body.

[SarahG]

The point is:We never know if a woman on a pic is comfortable with her body.

That's probably pretty true. For all we know one of the people pictured in the OP is going to transition as a FtM in the future.

[rockabilly]

Good points but our lives are all about perception. Not only how we perceive ourselves but how others see us as well.

There is pressure on everyone about their looks , everyone has an ideal apperance they'd like to have. :shrug:

[elo]

The point is:We never know if a woman on a pic is comfortable with her body.

That's probably pretty true. For all we know one of the people pictured in the OP is going to transition as a FtM in the future.You are such a joker,Sarah. lol

[SarahG]

The point is:We never know if a woman on a pic is comfortable with her body.

That's probably pretty true. For all we know one of the people pictured in the OP is going to transition as a FtM in the future.You are such a joker,Sarah. lol

You can't be serious ALL the time :D

[muhmuh]

The point is:We never know if a woman on a pic is comfortable with her body.

actually we do
have you ever met a woman who was at ease with her body?

[jp]

can't really comment...but that girl in the first pic is amazingly hot! :D

[Bob's Tgirls]

I agree with you. I've had conversations with some of the girls on this topic.

I just wanted to comment on the samples you posted. I really like them especially the second one. Big boobs are not a big deal for me.