The Ashley George you dont need any facial surgery petition.

[Jim Brown]

sign it.

you remember Kimber James, yeah Kimber is still pretty, but she was three times as hot before. Noone told Kimber james she was perfect, well let us now tell Ashley she is perfect and that she doesnt need any lip injection or whatever these kids are doing nowadays...

Ashley you are perfect the way you are(not talking about your cock) and you need to stay away from doctors office.

[BellaBellucci]

sign it.

you remember Kimber James, yeah Kimber is still pretty, but she was three times as hot before. Noone told Kimber james she was perfect, well let us now tell Ashley she is perfect and that she doesnt need any lip injection or whatever these kids are doing nowadays...

Ashley you are perfect the way you are(not talking about your cock) and you need to stay away from doctors office.

Second.

~BB~

[El Nino]

I sign this.... she will ruin her cute, natural, blessed great looks. DONT DO IT

[Willie Escalade]

My signature is here as well. She needs ABSOLUTELY NO SURGERY WHATSOEVER.

[BrassVillanueva]

Signed. No need to alter someone so beautifully created as Ashley!

[JamesHunt]

sign it.

you remember Kimber James, yeah Kimber is still pretty, but she was three times as hot before. Noone told Kimber james she was perfect, well let us now tell Ashley she is perfect and that she doesnt need any lip injection or whatever these kids are doing nowadays...

Ashley you are perfect the way you are(not talking about your cock) and you need to stay away from doctors office.

Second.

~BB~

Third.

~JH~

[Legend]

Anti signs, she should get what she wants done to make herself feel comfortable.You guys keep talking like if she gets something done it will change who she is, if you truly like her you wouldn't care she still gonna be the same person.

[alpha2117]

She can do what she likes as far as I'm concerned but if asked for an opinion I'd tend to agree that she really doesn't need any extra work done.

[JamesHunt]

Anti signs, she should get what she wants done to make herself feel comfortable.You guys keep talking like if she gets something done it will change who she is, if you truly like her you wouldn't care she still gonna be the same person.

You're up late tonight Legend. Shouldn't you be in bed, you've got school in the morning.

[BrassVillanueva]

It's not so much about keeping her from being comfortable with herself, Legend, at least not to me. I signed because I DO care, and I think she would seriously regret it if she went crazy with the silicone. Now, something tasteful that complements her natural beauty; that I wouldn't mind (not that I have a say one way or the other). She's mentioned before that she wants breast implants, and nothing too large, just a size that fits her frame. That seems reasonable to me. It's the over-the-top stuff like lip injections (her lips look just fine the way the are) or insanely unnatural-looking body sculpting (her body, as with her lips, is just fine the way it is) that I signed to request she not do. It's unnecessary and potentially more harmful (self esteem-wise) than any benefit she might derive from such procedures. The ultimate message here is that true happiness and self-worth comes from the INSIDE, not out.

[Intrepid]

Yeah. Stay away from the knife.

[eclipsemint]

+1

She is perfect in every way, just the way she is.

[phobun]

Let's sign a petition... France does not need to waste anymore public funds on nuclear arms!

The fact is, individual girls are going to do what they want anyway. No silly internet porn forum petition is going to stop a transsexual from having cosmetic procedures!

And most of you cockhounds are obsessed with the most superficial aspect of her identity of all. Without that, you probably would not even give her a second thought.

The sooner she invests in SRS, the sooner she can blend into society as a real looking woman and escape all you frivolous cockhounds.

[transmaven]

Kudos to Jim Brown for a brilliant thread. Google "BDD surgeries" Ashley -- and don't let it happen to you.

Don't tamper with exceptional beauty and naturalness.

And please consider a point that no one has mentioned, but that is *overwhelmingly* important: many patients come to regret their excessive and obsessive plastic surgeries because of the alienating effects such surgery has on their loved ones.

Not everything we do is merely "about us." Such a view is ridiculously selfish and stupid.

Again, superb thread -- and I don't care where the insight originates. As long as this truth gets spoken.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Kudos to Jim Brown for a brilliant thread. Google "BDD surgeries" Ashley -- and don't let it happen to you.

Don't tamper with exceptional beauty and naturalness.

And please consider a point that no one has mentioned, but that is *overwhelmingly* important: many patients come to regret their excessive and obsessive plastic surgeries because of the alienating effects such surgery has on their loved ones.

Not everything we do is merely "about us." Such a view is ridiculously selfish and stupid.

Again, superb thread -- and I don't care where the insight originates. As long as this truth gets spoken.

I am sorry but a lof what you just said is a CROCK OF BULL- speaking from someone who has opted for alot of cosmetic surgery and a surged look. OPTED being th KEY word.

I am not going to weigh in on wether this girl should not get surgery or not because as I have ALWAYS argued- that is a personal choice. I will say that she looks very real as is-partly because she is very young , etc. etc. The rest is up to her.

But to make such a gross statement that everyone who has a lot of surgery suffers from BDD is not true. People who have BDD usually focus on one body part or aspect. BDD is when your tits are the size of two watermelons and you see them as golf balls. Now, I have encouteres a few people like this throughout my journey in life but for the most part most girls I have met with extensive surgery have been happy.

As far as alienating loved ones? I have never alienated anyone in my family. NEWSFLASH: Becoming a transsexual probably alienates more loved ones than having surgery. If one had a fear of alienating loved ones, then one would not transition at all.

And one more thing- FIXING yout face, body etc to look the WAY YOU WANT is abosultely NOT a selfish indulgence because NO ONE has to live in your body but YOU, no one has to get up in the morning and look in the mirroe but YOU. You have one life to live it and you should be able to modify your body as you wish- wether it be through surgery, body building, tattoos- it's all body modification to achieve an aesthetic period.

The problem here is that again this becomes an issue of transsexuals and women being obecjtified to get men off. Instead of appreciating her beauty as it- and if she chooses to change it and you don't like it anymore SO BE IT. There are a million girls out there.

But it is HIGHLY rude and offensive to tell someone NOT to do something to themselves with their body when they havent even asked YOU.

We don't live OUR lives for the your sexual satisfaction and that should be noted. It may be some of our business YES, but we stil have a choice to put tits on our back as we so wish- AS CHER ONCE SAID.

So please stop misrepresenting people with a lot of srugery as a nunch of completely unhapppy, suicidal, alienating bunch.

This girl is very naturally pretty as is, AGAIN what she wants to do from here on is her choice.

[kalina]

Ashley is seriously pretty, but some girls don't know how good they got it until they learn for themselves by making mistakes. Case in point: I go for monthly facials at my favorite salon to maintain my skin and one fateful day I switched salons and ordered a pumpkin peel, which is supposed to use pumpkin fruit acids to burn off the top layers of skin on your face. Well, the esthetitian left the stuff on for too long and I had what looked like chemical acid burns. It took three years for it to completely heal. Mistake #1 was switching salons. Mistake #2 was getting overzealous with my skincare.

Skin ultimately heals if it wasn't damaged too badly, so I'm lucky. But plastic surgery? You're leaving it up to chance in many cases. The best plastic surgeons can have good days and bad days. Some post-surgery girls look beautiful in real life, but not so hot in pics, hence all the airbrushing that goes on. If you really really really (50 times) have masculine facial features, then plastic surgery can change your life, but if you have naturally feminine features, don't let any surgeon touch your face!

[transmaven]

I expected to hear from you Allanah. You ask me not to generalize, but then you remark that you have not alienated those close to you. As if that piece of anecdotal evidence speaks to my main point -- which is the fact that *many* plastic surgery obsessives are indeed BDD sufferers who profoundly alienate their families.

I have screened many candidates for plastic surgery. I am *infinitely well aware* of all the issues that they bring to the table.

I am delighted that you have such accepting friends and family. Alas this is not often the case when a man or woman goes under the scalpel too many times. The problem is severe and is by no means confined to transsexuals.

Over 50% of elite plastic surgery practice is *repair.* Those going in for "repair" have often had multiple failed surgeries already. It is difficult to fix what has been so wretchedly ruined.

You have an unusual attitude toward the self, the body, and the legitimate transformation of that body. It's all about you. I get it.

But I have a different view. Perhaps you should review the facts concerning plastic surgery "do-overs" and the epidemic of BDD in our culture. But since it's all about you, why would you care?

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Ashley is seriously pretty, but some girls don't know how good they got it until they learn for themselves by making mistakes. Case in point: I go for monthly facials at my favorite salon to maintain my skin and one fateful day I switched salons and ordered a pumpkin peel, which is supposed to use pumpkin fruit acids to burn off the top layers of skin on your face. Well, the esthetitian left the stuff on for too long and I had what looked like chemical acid burns. It took three years for it to completely heal. Mistake #1 was switching salons. Mistake #2 was getting overzealous with my skincare.

Skin ultimately heals if it wasn't damaged too badly, so I'm lucky. But plastic surgery? You're leaving it up to chance in many cases. The best plastic surgeons can have good days and bad days. Some post-surgery girls look beautiful in real life, but not so hot in pics, hence all the airbrushing that goes on. If you really really really (50 times) have masculine facial features, then plastic surgery can change your life, but if you have naturally feminine features, don't let any surgeon touch your face!

Sorry about your experience with the pumkin peel. Glycolics are much better.

With that being said, you do realize women have different aesthetic goals?

If we were afraid constantly about bad days and chance, we wouldn't be getting in cars, riding planes etc. Accidents and death and somethign bad cna happen at any time. That is what research, careful planning, and vigilance are for to minimize your risk if you choose to do something.

[transmaven]

If we were afraid constantly about bad days and chance, we wouldn't be getting in cars, riding planes etc. Accidents and death and somethign bad cna happen at any time. That is what research, careful planning, and vigilance are for to minimize your risk if you choose to do something.
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That's a ludicrous analogy! There is no comparison between "getting in a car" and getting into the surgeon's chair. None.

Kalina's post is wise.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

I expected to hear from you Allanah. You ask me not to generalize, but then you remark that you have not alienated those close to you. As if that piece of anecdotal evidence speaks to my main point -- which is the fact that *many* plastic surgery obsessives are indeed BDD sufferers who profoundly alienate their families.

I have screened many candidates for plastic surgery. I am *infinitely well aware* of all the issues that they bring to the table.

I am delighted that you have such accepting friends and family. Alas this is not often the case when a man or woman goes under the scalpel too many times. The problem is severe and is by no means confined to transsexuals.

Over 50% of elite plastic surgery practice is *repair.* Those going in for "repair" have often had multiple failed surgeries already. It is difficult to fix what has been so wretchedly ruined.

You have an unusual attitude toward the self, the body, and the legitimate transformation of that body. It's all about you. I get it.

But I have a different view. Perhaps you should review the facts concerning plastic surgery "do-overs" and the epidemic of BDD in our culture. But since it's all about you, why would you care?

I don't suffer form BDD, so if you are trying to analuze mewith your ametur internet psychology you can stop right now.

Darling, transition is about the INDIVIDUAL and no one else. People do it and lose jobs, family, so many things because they choose to be who they are. I have chosen to be who I amand express my aestherics.
How dare you minimilize that.

AND YES, and YES I DO CARE because when a certain person was doing a certian amount of work to herlsef to is very well known I told her many times to not and stop. SHE DID WHAT SHE WANTED TO DO IN THE END AND DID IT, and I respect that.

You don't know me so don't pass your ridiculous judgements like you do know who I am, what advice I give or how I care about the community I live in.

[2009AD]

Sex, food, exercise, shopping, gambling, drinking alcohol, and plastic surgery can all be abused.

Celeste looks like a girl who had cosmetic surgery and knew when to stop.

[transmaven]

SHE DID WHAT SHE WANTED TO DO IN THE END AND DID IT, and I respect that.


There is nothing respectable about doing something obviously stupid.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

If we were afraid constantly about bad days and chance, we wouldn't be getting in cars, riding planes etc. Accidents and death and somethign bad cna happen at any time. That is what research, careful planning, and vigilance are for to minimize your risk if you choose to do something.
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That's a ludicrous analogy! There is no comparison between "getting in a car" and getting into the surgeon's chair. None.

Kalina's post is wise.

I see so making an educated descion about something you are about to do is ludicrious.

CLearly you have some agenda.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

SHE DID WHAT SHE WANTED TO DO IN THE END AND DID IT, and I respect that.


There is nothing respectable about doing something obviously stupid.

Actually, she is my friend so I didnt judge her - UNLIKE you - who are doing so of people you don't even know.

[Belial]

Another signature for the petition. U're already where you need to be...no point in spending money on something u don't need, that is potentially risky.
It doesn't make sense. :smh

[2009AD]

Oh, I forgot to say. This "petition" is stupid. She'll do whatever she wants to her body and/or face. The question is will she know when to say enough is enough? Time will tell.

[JeniferTS]

LOL! this thread is laughable..who are
any of you people to say what ashley
"needs" or "doesn't need"??????

i get this all the time.."Jenifer you don't
need this or that..you look perfect the way
you are"..it's flattering but its NOT about you.

I ENVISION myself in the future and i know
exactly how i want to look..i have set goals
and i will accomplish them whether or not
anybody agrees.

ashley, girl, if YOU feel the need to
add, remove, reshape, etc go ahead mama.
don't let this petition bring you down :roll:
it's YOUR life and YOU'RE the only one who's living it.

and to 2009AD..not every girl is going for the
same look..one may want to look natural but
the other may want to look like an anime character
or something..in any event..it's all down to PERSONAL choice.

[2009AD]

.and to 2009AD..not every girl is going for the same look..one may want to look natural but the other may want to look like an anime character or something..in any event..it's all down to PERSONAL choice.

Please point out where I said that every girl is aiming for the same look.

And no kidding about cosmetic being a PERSONAL choice. I don't need you to point out the obvious.

The point I made was cosmetic surgery can, like dieting, be taken to the extreme.

An ethical plastic surgeon would have refused to perform more surgeries on this woman, but I guess he/she was too interested in the money. It's clear that she tried to deal with her emotional issues through cosmetic surgeries.

And just to be clear, in case you are confused, I don't care what you or any one else chooses to do with their bodies and or faces.

[JeniferTS]

The question is will
she know when to say enough is enough?

she'll know when to say enough is enough
when she looks the way she envisions herself
to be which may or may not be "natural" because,
like i said earlier, not all the girls are going for
the same look..when you may be thinking,
"ok, she's had enough"..the girl may have only
accomplished half the things on her list but what
you think doesn't matter anyway because it's all
down to PERSONAL choice :roll:

and jocelyn wildenstein was going for that look,
extreme or not..as long as she's happy with herself.

[gimmeurblood]

I don't care ifshe does or not. Im reppin Legend. Awesome Alyssa Flash sig. Cheerleader Melissa FTW

[AsiaMei]

Anti signs, she should get what she wants done to make herself feel comfortable.You guys keep talking like if she gets something done it will change who she is, if you truly like her you wouldn't care she still gonna be the same person.

i agree, get what u want done mama.

[kalina]

I agree with Allanah that it's definitely the girl's choice to go for plastic surgery and we really don't have a say in any of this. My opinion was my own and I'm not making a judgement call, but I have too many friends who have had bad plastic surgeries from reputable surgeons. Some don't see their surgeries in the same way that I or others do. That's fine. My point was if you get overzealous with what you do to yourself, bad things can happen. Since cosmetic surgery is arguably an art form, sometimes doing less results in something better than doing something more.

I do agree that doing the proper research will minimize the chance for mistakes and the bad days a surgeon can have, but we're dealing with things that are beyond our control when we entrust someone else to do them. I'm not saying we shouldn't go out and do them because I see my doctors, dentist, and other specialists every chance I get, but these are all for maintenance reasons (a yearly physical, a teeth cleaning, CT scans, etc). The only arguably cosmetic procedure I've ever done was LASIK which I had in August and I did my research on that and waited until I heard just enough success stories to allow me to proceed.

[Bunzee]

doctors will lie to you just to get you to spend money with them on unnecessary plastic surgery ... a lot of girls i think are too naive to believe it ... with any medical procedure, get an opinion from a doctor who is not financially interested in it... that would be an honest opinion ... that usually comes from a doctor who works in a large hospital or something, not in private practice ...

ya life is all about making tough choices ... but ya ahsley looks good as she is now i don't think she needs anythin done ..

[EyeCumInPiece]

of course its up to her in the end, but "no surgery" gets my vote, shes perfect the way she is.

[blonde_sweetheart]

I really don't know where to begin. I guess I'll start by saying the ONLY surgical procedure I PLAN on having is breast implants. A few minor cosmetic procedures to correct some heriditary features I could do without also. I happen to like my look right now. But the same look does get boring. I don't know what I will want to look like 1 year from now or 5 from now. I just don't understand why everyone is OBSESSED with girls getting plastic surgery.And why Kimber gets the most shit for it.Her face is the same just bigger lips and boobs! She happens to look fantastic I think. I don't want to look like her , I want to look like ME , ASHLEY. I completely agree with Allanah's statement. MY body my choice. But for the record I DO NO PLAN ON GETTING EXTENSIVE PLASTIC SURGERY.

[jaybee]

There seems to be a lot of people overly concerned with Ashley's well-being/best interests etc on HA at the moment. I think she is a beautiful young woman, who is doing what she wants to do. She is enjoying herself, and as long as she has the friendship of people like Jasmine Jewels that she can turn to should she need guidance, I think she is gonna do just fine!
Best of luck Ashley. xx

[AllanahStarrNYC]

I really don't know where to begin. I guess I'll start by saying the ONLY surgical procedure I PLAN on having is breast implants. A few minor cosmetic procedures to correct some heriditary features I could do without also. I happen to like my look right now. But the same look does get boring. I don't know what I will want to look like 1 year from now or 5 from now. I just don't understand why everyone is OBSESSED with girls getting plastic surgery.And why Kimber gets the most shit for it.Her face is the same just bigger lips and boobs! She happens to look fantastic I think. I don't want to look like her , I want to look like ME , ASHLEY. I completely agree with Allanah's statement. MY body my choice. But for the record I DO NO PLAN ON GETTING EXTENSIVE PLASTIC SURGERY.

See darling there are these types of guys and I know these types because I have encountered many of them- who want to mold, you, me, anyone to the aesthetic image they value. Example how many times have I read on this site 'before she was damaged by hormones', 'before she over dosed on hormones' (are you kidding me? hormones are an integral part of transition) be it their horniness, desire whatever so many of them seem to forget that we actually have lives beyond their masturbatory pleasure. As Nicole said, that's fine if you want to pay the fee-but if you don't I really dont care to hear your bull. They make these judgements because to at the end they don't know you personally, they don't live with you on your day to day life, and are so far removed from the 'life' that their main contact with it is through a computer screen. You can be an object of their sexual desire, as I have chosen to objetctify myself- but I am totally in control of that and will always will be. On my terms and my time only.

I absolutely love men and love my lifestyle and what I do for work, but I am sure as HELL never have, and never will let anyone dictate what I want to do especially with my body. And I am glad you feel the same way :).

[blonde_sweetheart]

I really don't know where to begin. I guess I'll start by saying the ONLY surgical procedure I PLAN on having is breast implants. A few minor cosmetic procedures to correct some heriditary features I could do without also. I happen to like my look right now. But the same look does get boring. I don't know what I will want to look like 1 year from now or 5 from now. I just don't understand why everyone is OBSESSED with girls getting plastic surgery.And why Kimber gets the most shit for it.Her face is the same just bigger lips and boobs! She happens to look fantastic I think. I don't want to look like her , I want to look like ME , ASHLEY. I completely agree with Allanah's statement. MY body my choice. But for the record I DO NO PLAN ON GETTING EXTENSIVE PLASTIC SURGERY.

See darling there are these types of guys and I know these types because I have encountered many of them- who want to mold, you, me, anyone to the aesthetic image they value. Example how many times have I read on this site 'before she was damaged by hormones', 'before she over dosed on hormones' (are you kidding me? hormones are an integral part of transition) be it their horniness, desire whatever so many of them seem to forget that we actually have lives beyond their masturbatory pleasure. As Nicole said, that's fine if you want to pay the fee-but if you don't I really dont care to hear your bull. They make these judgements because to at the end they don't know you personally, they don't live with you on your day to day life, and are so far removed from the 'life' that their main contact with it is through a computer screen. You can be an object of their sexual desire, as I have chosen to objetctify myself- but I am totally in control of that and will always will be. On my terms and my time only.

I absolutely love men and love my lifestyle and what I do for work, but I am sure as HELL never have, and never will let anyone dictate what I want to do especially with my body. And I am glad you feel the same way :).

Amen! I mean there are parts of my body I don't like so why shouldn't I be able to change it? I will still have a natural look after I get breast implants. And I'm sorry but I wonder about men who would prefer me to have the chest of an 11 year old girl to full adult breasts that I feel like I deserve. I am 18 years old ,if anything my breasts (if they can even be considered breasts) look unnatural being that they are like a Tanner stage II. when I think about them or look at them I want to cry , so I sure as hell am not gonna hold off on having them CORRECTED because some guys tell me not to.

[SammiValentine]

Amen! I mean there are parts of my body I don't like so why shouldn't I be able to change it? I will still have a natural look after I get breast implants. And I'm sorry but I wonder about men who would prefer me to have the chest of an 11 year old girl to full adult breasts that I feel like I deserve. I am 18 years old ,if anything my breasts (if they can even be considered breasts) look unnatural being that they are like a Tanner stage II. when I think about them or look at them I want to cry , so I sure as hell am not gonna hold off on having them CORRECTED because some guys tell me not to.

So true! It is more than possible to get natural looking implants if that is what you desire. LOL at tanner stage II.

Good luck :)

[Jim Brown]

Just sign or shut the fuck up. I never ask for your opinions and shit.





I don't know what I will want to look like 1 year from now or 5 from now. .
That i dont understand but im not a tranny sooo.... You naturally look like a girl where else can you. But is guess thats the tranny culture...evolution, always changing. from male to female and from female to... something else. I thought y'all would stop a female.




But for the record I DO NO PLAN ON GETTING EXTENSIVE PLASTIC SURGERY.
Good to know.

[SammiValentine]

doctors will lie to you just to get you to spend money with them on unnecessary plastic surgery ... a lot of girls i think are too naive to believe it ... with any medical procedure, get an opinion from a doctor who is not financially interested in it... that would be an honest opinion ... that usually comes from a doctor who works in a large hospital or something, not in private practice ...


That is just crazy talk. How many public / government funded maxillofacial surgeons "in large hospitals" are going to take time out from patients who need cancer removal, face reconstruction, cleft lip surgery etc... to give "an honest free opinion" on procedures that the Dr can probably never perform on their Tariff anyway?

That is why these private doctors exist, to provide a service for us girls, to make up our own minds and take whatever path we choose during transition. Not to rob us blind... Some procedures tick the aesthetic box , some don't.

I must admit I was a a bit dubious of the quote that recommended I have 3 pairs of boobs. But I signed the form anyway as I am very naive!!111

[jaybee]

Off topic: I fucking love you Sammi! LOL. xxx

[SammiValentine]

Off topic: I fucking love you Sammi! LOL. xxx

lol aaw thank you hun heheehehe xxx

[Stoked]

Everyones perception of beauty is culturally influenced. No-one can escape that. Our society has become increasingly visual and by extension, more shallow. Plastic surgery for women is commonplace yet I believe there are many men who do not like it, rather than do. Or for better clarification, they like enhancements that do not make the woman look exaggerated or distorted.

Women who get extremely large breasts will be pursued for the most part by men who have a large breast fetish. Those who distort their features will find men who like distorted features like siliconed lips.

So here you have two different perceptions of beauty.. Allanah, where there are no holds barred, and blond_sweetheart who at this time in her life appears to be a minimalist.

Not only do men fantasize about the next hottie they might have sex with, they also fantasize about a lifetime mate. The image of both are usually different. The more natural a girl looks, the more likely he will see her as a mate. When the girl inflates and distorts herself, that fantasy is dissolved... and hey, we dont like losing fantasies. That group will see the change negatively and say so, the other group, who likes that distorted look will be happy to see you come to their side.

In the end as you both have stated, it doesnt matter what we think. That is true, but it does matter with the likelihood of a man you eventually want to partner with.

As transgendered women, your choices of available men for long term relationships or marriage are tiny at best. Decide what you want from life, and/or who, if you even want someone, and transition accordingly. Its nobodies business but your own. But now maybe you understand men a bit more and why we dont like change from our ideal.

As for your small breasts blonde_sweetheart, one of the sexiest and beautiful genetic women I loved was virtually flat chested. It wasnt the lack of breasts that made her that way, it was the self assurance inside her that effervesced outwards. She captured everyones attention. Embrace what you have, dont feel as if breast size is what makes you sexy or attractive. Change them as you feel you need, but remember the real beauty comes from within, no matter what is on the outside. Something that gets lost with excessive surgeries.

[Biscuit]

I think the original point of this thread was not to tell Ashley what she should or should not do, but to encourage her by telling her how beautiful and natural she looks already and there are those of us who feel that she's perfect the way she is.

She's an adult, she can choose to do whatever she wants...

[tsmandy]

Her body her choice. Some of you guys are creeping me out with your whole pedophile/daddy thing going on here. She's not a kid, she's a woman. You have no right to tell her what she should or should not do.

If she keeps her natural breasts then guys will say stupid hateful shit about her breasts being too small as long as she is in the public eye (believe me, I know). If she gets implants than her fans who like her natural will complain.

It sucks as a TS to be in a constant damned if you do, damned if you don't situation with our bodies.

Ashley, I will say I'm so far very happy that I've opted to stay with my natural breasts. I've been on hormones for 6 and a half years and I'm only an A cup, but I really like the way my tits feel and look, but it has been a very slow process. It was 3 years before my tits were even an A cup, staying natural can be a slow process. If you stick it out and let your body develop naturally you might be happy or you might just be pissed that you let 4 years go by with small tits.

Do what makes you happy and ignore all the anonymous people with daddy issues.

[rbiller]

Don't know what number I am, but I totally agree. Don't screw with perfection.

[blonde_sweetheart]

Not only do men fantasize about the next hottie they might have sex with, they also fantasize about a lifetime mate. The image of both are usually different. The more natural a girl looks, the more likely he will see her as a mate. When the girl inflates and distorts herself, that fantasy is dissolved... and hey, we dont like losing fantasies. That group will see the change negatively and say so, the other group, who likes that distorted look will be happy to see you come to their side.



I completely disagree with that part. Being natural hasn't helped me snag any "mates". In fact I've never been in a relationship of any kind. I've been used and abused so many times especially in the last few months , and my heart has NEVER been spoken for. So yes in the end it may be about looks but look who isn't getting any love here.It's me , and people wonder why I have low self esteem. :roll:

[alyssats]

Her body her choice. Some of you guys are creeping me out with your whole pedophile/daddy thing going on here. She's not a kid, she's a woman.


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If she keeps her natural breasts then guys will say stupid hateful shit about her breasts being too small as long as she is in the public eye (believe me, I know). If she gets implants than her fans who like her natural will complain.



so true before when i havent had breast implants many ts admirers/chasers even said i cant be even called a ladyboy or transsexual because for them im just a boy with long hair and now that i had breast implants some guys will prefer if i didnt have those like WTF what are you guys doing to me?

and just to add so many guys now are also telling me that they like big breast shemales and nice if i would have big breast. i posted here before that im thinking of making my boobs bigger but many guys say 'no'. i dont really know with you guys what you really like :lol:

[Merkurie]

"Most people, are not something one thinks about"
Diana Vreeland

Seems like a healthy outlook.

[worldbro]

well if you do anything, at least wait for this public option to go through

[muhmuh]

and jocelyn wildenstein was going for that look,
extreme or not..as long as she's happy with herself.

so hang on you honestly believe that any plastic surgeon who at this point allows him/herself to perform aynthing other than reconstructive surgery (and theres really now other way of calling it) on her has his ethics right?

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Her body her choice. Some of you guys are creeping me out with your whole pedophile/daddy thing going on here. She's not a kid, she's a woman. You have no right to tell her what she should or should not do.

If she keeps her natural breasts then guys will say stupid hateful shit about her breasts being too small as long as she is in the public eye (believe me, I know). If she gets implants than her fans who like her natural will complain.

It sucks as a TS to be in a constant damned if you do, damned if you don't situation with our bodies.

Ashley, I will say I'm so far very happy that I've opted to stay with my natural breasts. I've been on hormones for 6 and a half years and I'm only an A cup, but I really like the way my tits feel and look, but it has been a very slow process. It was 3 years before my tits were even an A cup, staying natural can be a slow process. If you stick it out and let your body develop naturally you might be happy or you might just be pissed that you let 4 years go by with small tits.

Do what makes you happy and ignore all the anonymous people with daddy issues.

I think you hit the NAIL on the head.

I was watching M.Butterfly recently- you know the film , based on the play, based on the opera but turns the roles around. The diplomat falls in love with a Chinese opera singer who he does not know is a man, and by orders of the Chinese he has to seduce him. Well long story short- at one point the opera singer (dressed as a woman) asks him what attracts him to her with h er flat chest- to which he responds "Not flat, they are like about a young girl going through puberty". And that instantly struck a chord with some of the stuff I have read here and with the fascination some men have with the starter girls, the young girls with no implants, and girls with small breasts and no implants in general. Food for thought.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

and jocelyn wildenstein was going for that look,
extreme or not..as long as she's happy with herself.

so hang on you honestly believe that any plastic surgeon who at this point allows him/herself to perform aynthing other than reconstructive surgery (and theres really now other way of calling it) on her has his ethics right?

Hmm, hae you not heard or read about the performance artist Orlan?
Some people use plastic surgery as a form of performance art/self expression.

www.Orlan.Net

"The Reincarnation of Saint-ORLAN
The Reincarnation of Saint-Orlan, which started in 1990, involved a series of plastic surgeries in the course of which the artist started to morph herself with respect to some of the most well known historical paintings and sculptures. Supported by her Carnal Art manifesto, these works were filmed and broadcast in institutions throughout the world, such as the Centre Georges Pompidou in Paris and the Sandra Gehring Gallery in New York. Orlan's goal in these surgeries is to acquire the ideal of beauty as suggested by the men who painted women. When the surgeries are completed she will have the chin of Botticelli’s Venus, the nose of Gerome’s Psyche, the lips of François Boucher’s Europa, the eyes of Diana from a sixteenth-century French School of Fontainebleu painting and the forehead of Leonardo da Vinci’s Mona Lisa. Orlan picked these characters, “not for the canons of beauty they represent… but rather on account of the stories associated with them.” Diana because she is inferior to the gods and men but is leader of the goddesses and women; Mona Lisa because of the standard of beauty, or anti-beauty, she represents; Psyche because of her fragility and vulnerability within the soul; Venus for carnal beauty; Europa for her adventurous outlook to the horizon, the future."

[CaptainGeech]

I like Ashley. No denying that. I like her look. Sweet girl next door. I also like that she seems genuinely kind hearted. And while I agree that Ashley is stunning "as is" I cant help be be confused and troubled by all of the preachy comments made towards her recently. I will admit I was a bit disappointed to see Kimber get her facial work done. I will also admit that its because I am selfish and I preferred her "before" look. Same goes for Hollywood actress's. Nikki Cox, Lindsay Lohan, Meg Ryan. I liked them much more before they had there work or drug problems. Giving someone your opinion when asked is one thing but some of the comments and posts made towards Ashley recently are just weird and make me fearful that she might have some future stalkers out there.

[rockabilly]

She should buy mace ... by the case.

[transmaven]

And that instantly struck a chord with some of the stuff I have read here and with the fascination some men have with the starter girls, the young girls with no implants, and girls with small breasts and no implants in general. Food for thought.


It sure is. So let me get this straight. We should prefer the old and the "surged" to the fresh 18 year old ass? :roll:

BTW, guys. I get vicious rhetoric all the time in NYC from white women whenever I'm with a sweet young asian woman -- they like to insinuate that you're all sorts of *terrible things* if you prefer them. I mean: how could you, how dare you?

I tell them I prefer my pussy with soft skin, no liver spots, and long shining hair. Reality prevails. :P

[Belial]

Some of you guys are creeping me out with your whole pedophile/daddy thing going on here.

Want some candy little girl?

[BLKGSXR]

Ok I admire the Op's intentions But just because you guys do this doesnt mean she will or will not do surgery. But none the less GL to her in whatever she does.

[tsmandy]

I miss that apartment.



Some of you guys are creeping me out with your whole pedophile/daddy thing going on here.

Want some candy little girl?

[bte]

Fuck what all the guys say on this board about her wanting FFS or any surgery. If she wants surgery then she should get it. Its her life.

[rockabilly]

True

You can't please the world , you can only please yourself.

[bte]

True

You can't please the world , you can only please yourself.

Exactly dude. I am sure no girl gets surgery to please the guys, they do it to please themselves.

[rockabilly]

Yeah and as long as she's happy that's all that matters.

[Legend]

It's not so much about keeping her from being comfortable with herself, Legend, at least not to me. I signed because I DO care, and I think she would seriously regret it if she went crazy with the silicone. Now, something tasteful that complements her natural beauty; that I wouldn't mind (not that I have a say one way or the other). She's mentioned before that she wants breast implants, and nothing too large, just a size that fits her frame. That seems reasonable to me. It's the over-the-top stuff like lip injections (her lips look just fine the way the are) or insanely unnatural-looking body sculpting (her body, as with her lips, is just fine the way it is) that I signed to request she not do. It's unnecessary and potentially more harmful (self esteem-wise) than any benefit she might derive from such procedures. The ultimate message here is that true happiness and self-worth comes from the INSIDE, not out.


I don't know i think the ultimate message here is selfishness and people throwing what they perceive as beauty around, if it was about true happiness people would like the girl regardless and support her no matter what.Look at kimber james i've seen some nasty comments thrown at her and those comments are from her suppose fans if any of those guys really liked her they would be like whatever makes her happy is ok with me but its the total opposite, they act like she has gone though a lobotomy and isn't the same person.People really need to stop with these petetions and pleas it's not thier life and really they are the same person no matter what kind of surgery they get.

[speedstick112]

She should buy mace ... by the case.

Haha. Rockabilly, you kind of have a way with words. Agree with the general direction of this topic.

[Nicole Dupre]

You guys crack me up. You weren't there when we began these transitions. In fact, most of you were probably the types who called us "fags" and "queers" when we were kids, just to make yourselves fit into some lame clique at our expense. Because, as we all know, that's basically typical "guy talk". Right? It's never cool when a "dude" acts like a "fag" or a "chick", right? Then you might get labeled a fag along with us, and it wouldn't be worth it.

But if we listened to bullshit like that, most of us wouldn't even have bothered. So, now that we're living our lives the way we want to? Against the odds? And contrary to conventional thinking? Can you guys please just stfu and myob?

Treat your wives and girlfriends better. We'll be fine, "dudes".

[GullyFoyle]

You guys crack me up. You weren't there when we began these transitions. In fact, most of you were probably the types who called us "fags" and "queers" when we were kids, just to make yourselves fit into some lame clique at our expense.

Nope, I was a complete nerd so I was even lower on the totem pole.

[phobun]

I think you hit the NAIL on the head.

I was watching M.Butterfly recently- you know the film , based on the play, based on the opera but turns the roles around. The diplomat falls in love with a Chinese opera singer who he does not know is a man, and by orders of the Chinese he has to seduce him. Well long story short- at one point the opera singer (dressed as a woman) asks him what attracts him to her with h er flat chest- to which he responds "Not flat, they are like about a young girl going through puberty". And that instantly struck a chord with some of the stuff I have read here and with the fascination some men have with the starter girls, the young girls with no implants, and girls with small breasts and no implants in general. Food for thought.
I think that is repulsive and absurd. Maybe some creeps like breast buds, but there is a huge difference between breast buds and full, perky, Tanner Stage V breasts. I (and I suspect most guys) have no interest in breast buds but love mature looking breasts of a woman. Implants can look nice if done well, but this is the exception... too often they are cut-rate and cheap looking oversized balloons that go east-west, even if they cost a lot of money.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

And that instantly struck a chord with some of the stuff I have read here and with the fascination some men have with the starter girls, the young girls with no implants, and girls with small breasts and no implants in general. Food for thought.


It sure is. So let me get this straight. We should prefer the old and the "surged" to the fresh 18 year old ass? :roll:

BTW, guys. I get vicious rhetoric all the time in NYC from white women whenever I'm with a sweet young asian woman -- they like to insinuate that you're all sorts of *terrible things* if you prefer them. I mean: how could you, how dare you?

I tell them I prefer my pussy with soft skin, no liver spots, and long shining hair. Reality prevails. :P

No- you have the right to like whatever you want, wether if be a 'fresh 18 year old ass' or an 'old surged silicone ass' as you put it. Trust me I am not offended by it because I am not 18 and a man that is not attracted to me, oh well-TOUGH SHIT as I am CERTAINLY not offended because I am secure of myself, know that I am certainly not everyone's type have way more men after me that I could keep up with or want. Trust me hunny, I have seen the FINEST man at a ts bar bypass the beauties and get together with a BRICK, so there is indeed something for everyone and no one should tak that personally.


'We' would be a collective term, meaning that all men prefer the same thing or look, which is absurd . Trust me DARLING, 'old' silicone asses, as I happen to posses one- do quittttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttte well.

I'm sorry but trannys don't go get put out to pasture when they turn 25 and get implants. :roll:

[muhmuh]

and jocelyn wildenstein was going for that look,
extreme or not..as long as she's happy with herself.

so hang on you honestly believe that any plastic surgeon who at this point allows him/herself to perform aynthing other than reconstructive surgery (and theres really now other way of calling it) on her has his ethics right?

Hmm, hae you not heard or read about the performance artist Orlan?
Some people use plastic surgery as a form of performance art/self expression.

www.Orlan.Net

i have not and i still maintian that a lot of surgeons need a very quick whack with a very heavy stick across their forehead on the grounds that their ethics can only improve through it
and from what ive been told its no different with surgeons who are in the business of actually healing people

[BrassVillanueva]

I don't know i think the ultimate message here is selfishness and people throwing what they perceive as beauty around, if it was about true happiness people would like the girl regardless and support her no matter what.Look at kimber james i've seen some nasty comments thrown at her and those comments are from her suppose fans if any of those guys really liked her they would be like whatever makes her happy is ok with me but its the total opposite, they act like she has gone though a lobotomy and isn't the same person.People really need to stop with these petetions and pleas it's not thier life and really they are the same person no matter what kind of surgery they get.
Well, let me just say I was explaining about why I was signing. I can't speak for anyone else. My motivations are hardly selfish... I don't know her any better than I know a stranger walking down the street, so what would it matter?

No, what I'm trying to say is that because I DO want her to be happy, I'd hope that she makes smart decisions with her life instead of changing all sorts of things about herself recklessly. When someone looks in the mirror and starts to say, "Look at my body! I hate this and this and this and this and this..." ...that's usually about the time to consider what's going on in that person's head and heart. I'm not at all saying Ashley's doing that, because from what I can tell reading her posts here, she isn't. But it's out of concern for her as a young, up-and-coming star that I think it's appropriate to watch out for her (and anyone else) in that regard.

Now, thankfully, Ashley seems to be an intelligent, happy young woman, and from what I can tell she seems content with herself aside from, as she pointed out, a few minor things here and there. And that's great! That's something for both her and all of her fans to be thankful for! That's not to say that, should she become unhappy with herself in some way, everyone would be justified in scolding her for it. That would be the WORST reaction to have. Instead, in that case, everyone should show their support for her by being there for her, helping her come to the right decision should she choose to take action on it, and standing by her no matter what choice she makes. Not that they should refrain from saying they think she's wrong, but they shouldn't harp on it and reject her simply because they disagree with her. People who truly care would be there for her no matter what.

I think you're right about part of the problem here, however. There ARE people who don't truly care here, voicing their opinions out of selfishness, and that's sad. But I hope I don't come across as one of them. Just like you, Allanah and some others here, I'm just hoping another fellow human being is happy.

[Jim Brown]

ooh, they so sensitive.

Lol, you ppl up in arms about a petition, a petition about whether or not a girl should get facial surgery. Serioulsy? My god. Y'all need to lighten up, not everything is gaddamn life and death. but watever.

[Jim Brown]

........u crazy gaddamn bastards....

....she can removed all of her gaddamn ribs, dont give a fuck, she can get a triple F breast implant, add an extra finger, a gaddamn tail, dont give a fuck. all i'm saying is she beautiful, she needs nothing done to her face. jesus H. christ! ppl.

[alyssats]

Not only do men fantasize about the next hottie they might have sex with, they also fantasize about a lifetime mate. The image of both are usually different. The more natural a girl looks, the more likely he will see her as a mate. When the girl inflates and distorts herself, that fantasy is dissolved... and hey, we dont like losing fantasies. That group will see the change negatively and say so, the other group, who likes that distorted look will be happy to see you come to their side.



I completely disagree with that part. Being natural hasn't helped me snag any "mates". In fact I've never been in a relationship of any kind. I've been used and abused so many times especially in the last few months , and my heart has NEVER been spoken for. So yes in the end it may be about looks but look who isn't getting any love here.It's me , and people wonder why I have low self esteem. :roll:

I completely understand what you feel girl

When i was around 18-19 yrs old i havent done any surgeries yet just hormones i have a very low self esteem escpecially once im with TS girls with breast implants and facial surgeries already. Because once you look at us its very obvious many guys prefer those girls with boobs already and nice sculptured face than mine.

Ive dated some TS admirers/chasers and whenever they see a very nice looking TS girl due to plastic surgery they often say to me and ask me who is that girl. I feel so bad about myself and jealous with those girls who already have breast implants and nice sculpted face. So I promise to myself i will work hard and have boobies also and make myself beautiful and sexy 8)

[Nicole Dupre]

ooh, they so sensitive.

Lol, you ppl up in arms about a petition, a petition about whether or not a girl should get facial surgery. Serioulsy? My god. Y'all need to lighten up, not everything is gaddamn life and death. but watever.

If we started petitions about every faceless cockbandit on this forum, they'd all start crying.

My top recommendation would be...

"Is Phobun a latent homosexual?"
"Does Belial's wife know he jerks off to shemale porn?"
"Should Transmaven do his male bonding in a mens locker room?
"Is Distance capable of getting laid?"
"Does keepingitreal hate white people?"
"Will 2009AD ever admit that he was banned here as "Braveman"?
"Is Jim Brown retarded, or does he just act it on HA?"

I think all of these are worthy.

[2009AD]

"Will 2009AD ever admit that he was banned here as "Braveman"?

LOL, for the 20th time my dear tattoo titted Nicole, I was never banned as "Braveman."

How about this question?

"Will Nicole ever stop talking about things she knows nothing about?"

[eclipsemint]

http://www.youtube.com/user/roseblossoms00#p/u/11/Vf2NCjD9R9I

[JeniferTS]

i love alex..she was definitely blessed.

[Jim Brown]

If we started petitions about every faceless cockbandit on this forum, they'd all start crying.

My top recommendation would be...

"Is Jim Brown retarded, or does he just act it on HA?"


lmfaoooo... ur funny. I want to suck ur cock.

Life's to short not to be retarded. I crack myself up, so it doesn't really matter. lol

[Nicole Dupre]

"Will 2009AD ever admit that he was banned here as "Braveman"?

LOL, for the 20th time my dear tattoo titted Nicole, I was never banned as "Braveman."

How about this question?

"Will Nicole ever stop talking about things she knows nothing about?"

Please. Why don't you deny that you're vickifanindc, from HD, next?

[Nicole Dupre]

If we started petitions about every faceless cockbandit on this forum, they'd all start crying.

My top recommendation would be...

"Is Jim Brown retarded, or does he just act it on HA?"


lmfaoooo... ur funny. I want to suck ur cock.

Life's to short not to be retarded. I crack myself up, so it doesn't really matter. lol

And maybe I'd even let you, but only if you can balance a Bergdorf Goodman catalog on your head while you're doing it.

And, you have to buy me something nice... from Tiffany... and a house... in Alpine, NJ.

[Mac_Hine]

i'll sign this, for selfish reasons

i'm sick of porn bitches (transsexual and otherwise) getting extensive plastic surgery before they turn 20. there's no need. look at the most popular chicks in porn right now: sasha grey, stoya, jenna haze, tori black, etc. all have had little to zero plastic surgery. none of them have huge natural tits or anything, either. a youthful, natural look is in. roll with it while you still can.

[Nicole Dupre]

i'll sign this, for selfish reasons

i'm sick of porn bitches (transsexual and otherwise) getting extensive plastic surgery before they turn 20. there's no need. look at the most popular chicks in porn right now: sasha grey, stoya, jenna haze, tori black, etc. all have had little to zero plastic surgery. none of them have huge natural tits or anything, either. a youthful, natural look is in. roll with it while you still can.

Well, God knows that every girl should be concerned about what a guy who got hit in the forehead with a tampon thinks. ;)

http://i44.tinypic.com/md352e.jpg

And please, brush those teeth!
;)

[droog]

http://www.youtube.com/user/roseblossoms00#p/u/11/Vf2NCjD9R9I
wow. alex's attitude seems pretty chill (based on her youtube videos). to me, that's awesome, and i really dig it.

[JamesHunt]

:roll:

[Jericho]

Fuck everyone else, get that huge nose chiseld down to a button!
(while you're under, you might as well get some double FF's as well, eh?)

[Merkurie]

Not that it matters. But Ashley I think you are Damn good looking and one of the cutiest girls Ive seen. Im sure you will grow into a beautifull woman in your own right and I doubt anyone could improve on what nature has given you.

[bte]

Not that it matters. But Ashley I think you are Damn good looking and one of the cutiest girls Ive seen. Im sure you will grow into a beautifull woman in your own right and I doubt anyone could improve on what nature has given you.

Nature gave her male parts. Nobody can blame her for wanting to get surgery. She wants to become what she believes a female should look like. I say go for it and fuck what everyone else says.

[phobun]

I say go for it and fuck what everyone else says.
I say go for it and fuck everyone.

[gloves259]

pleaase dont

[GullyFoyle]

pleaase dont

please don't ... keep resurrecting this idiotic thread

[pattyboy]

please don't do the srugery i like my shemales all natural

[phobun]

please don't do the srugery i like my shemales all natural
She is not a shemale and she is not your property, dumbass.

[NjTranceAddict]

Ashley, just don't over do it or make any hasty decisions, and you'll be fine. That's all. :)

[ronniej]

I think this is the point people are trying to make....we don't want her to look like this :o

[Silcc69]

i'll sign this, for selfish reasons

i'm sick of porn bitches (transsexual and otherwise) getting extensive plastic surgery before they turn 20. there's no need. look at the most popular chicks in porn right now: sasha grey, stoya, jenna haze, tori black, etc. all have had little to zero plastic surgery. none of them have huge natural tits or anything, either. a youthful, natural look is in. roll with it while you still can.

http://markpknowles.com/wp-content/gallery/funny/jailbait-1-1.jpg

[ronniej]

^^If that one on the left had a cock like Vicki Richter and could blow a load like Peter North...I'd be all over it!

Well when she turns 18! :wink:

[Belial]

I'd bang them both without them having a cock.
The age of consent is 16 in my state,
so I see no need to wait. :cool: