Georgia School Kicks Out Student For Dressing Too Femine

[timxxx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB4sh1HH8t8

[TsVanessa69]

I went thru the exact same thing.
I think if I would have been given a fair chance in school, things would be different for me now.
So I also dropped out of school.
I did however get my GED 3 years later.
Starts with school
then comes job huntimng
thus no shame in my escorting, and getting what I feel society owes me for treating me like shit for no reason.
Don't let me go to school, or won't hire me to work in a fast food establishment for minimual wage, yet I can get paid $250 to get my dick sucked and fuck guys in the ass.
And I'm the stupid one??
LOL, LOL
This video hit home and brought back bad memories.
But I no longer feel the need to defend or feel bad for being an escorrt.
Members of HA, this video is exactly one of the contributing factors to why my life took the turn it took.

[eclipsemint]

Empathy for you hon'. No one's judging you. I'd have to walk a mile in your shoes, and I just can't walk in high heels.

You're beautiful.

[Willie Escalade]

Geez...does it REALLY matter what you wear when you're trying to get an education??

[TsVanessa69]

Geez...does it REALLY matter what you wear when you're trying to get an education??
Thats what I thought?
I wasnt a dumb student
I even made the honor roll a few times, but I guess eyeliner and earrings impede the brain from learning.

[rockabilly]

Try having spiked hair and wearing a choke chain w/ a padlock and pierced ears.

[eclipsemint]

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[Quiet Reflections]

gotta love the south! but its Georgia so I'm not surprised.

[timxxx]

Isn't 2009 even in Georgia.

At least he is getting support from some of his classmates.

[SarahG]

Geez...does it REALLY matter what you wear when you're trying to get an education??

We're not talking about education, we're talking about schooling.

Schooling is about thought control, not education. Schools exist to mold people into a specific desired outcome, an arrangement fundamentally exclusive from diversity & individuality.

Does clothing matter? The argument they usually take has two paths. In one, they try to argue safety concerns (i.e. baggy pants you might trip on, chains that could be removed & used as weapons, piercings that could be ripped out of peoples faces by bullies). This has become all the more potent after columbine because now some districts want you to use mesh purses, mesh backpacks, and so on so they can see what you're carrying without having to search you. They don't want coats that can easy conceal weapons (cloaks, trenches, whatever).

The other argument, which is the more common one, is the issue of disruptions.

The basic idea, as we were taught on it when I was going for my teaching certificate (back when I was considering going for one) was that anything that disrupts the classroom environment is viewed as a problem that needs to be purged. So if someone comes into class wearing something that causes a disruption (people staring, people talking, people laughing, whatever the case may be), the deviant individual is the one who is forced to change, not their peers. Its far easier to just go "hey, don't wear this to school" than it is to get a classroom full of kids to stop whatever their reaction is, especially since teachers don't have complete oversight over kids and schools have to worry about what happens on the bus, on recess, out in the halls, in the locker rooms, at the bus stops...

If the disruptive clothing causes ridicule, violence, or bullying, usually these "problems" cure themselves by coercing the individual to assimilate (or, forcing them to leave by switching schools or dropping out). But if the person doesn't care, or wants the attention they're receiving (i.e. revealing clothing on girls) then school policy steps in to set "guidelines" on what people can wear.

[Quiet Reflections]

Try having spiked hair and wearing a choke chain w/ a padlock and pierced ears.
I wore that too but I amped it up with my Doc Martens, studded leather jacket, and other assorted spiked accessories. I'd have to say People got used to that style long time before me and you ever considered it. On the other hand people have never been understanding about wearing the clothes of the opposite sex in public school.

[Quiet Reflections]

Isn't 2009 even in Georgia.

At least he is getting support from some of his classmates.
there are parts of the world that time has forgot believe me. Discrimination has its own schedule and does not follow our watches and calenders.

[Silcc69]

I was waiting on the comments to come pouring in from the horn dogs guess that will not be happening. Anyways when i was in jr high kids would get suspended for wearing frizzed jeans or whatever the fuck when you cut the sides of the jeans where the shoes were. It was dumb as hell. But I miss those days lol.

[Nowhere]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB4sh1HH8t8

What exactly are they trying to accomplish by doing this?

I thought schools were to educate, not pass judgement on people's personal lives.

What year is this? 1950?

[Legend]

Instead of doing something about him being bullied the kick him out of school for expressing himself, what a shitty system it gives bullies the impression what they're doing is ok.

[2009AD]

Oh boy. I'll probably get flamed, but here it goes.

Most private schools have dress codes, why shouldn't public schools also have them?

http://www.cobbk12.org/centraloffice/adminrules/J_Rules/Rule%20JICA.htm

Should kids be allowed to wear t-shirts bearing swastikas, the Confederate flag, or sexually suggestive words to school? Most schools will not allow female students to wear bikini tops to the classroom.

If the kid wants to dress like a girl outside of school, fine, he can do so before and after school, on the weekends, and during vacations.

[Legend]

The fact that he wears womens clothing probably suggests he is genderqueer or transgender, expression of gender is in the same field as expression of sexuality and deserves the same protection.

[SarahG]

Most private schools have dress codes, why shouldn't public schools also have them?

Lots of public schools DO have dress code policies, though usually there is little consistency between them and policies can be extremely different district to district.

I don't know why anyone would think that public schools don't have dress code policies, or can't because neither is true.


Should kids be allowed to wear t-shirts bearing swastikas, the Confederate flag, or sexually suggestive words to school? Most schools will not allow female students to wear bikini tops to the classroom.

Except here is where things quickly become problematic. Its never as simple as the obvious stuff like swastikas and confederate flags (for a number of reasons), the least of which being, different people find different things offensive.

What if the atheist students find crosses offensive, should the school's dress code policy then prohibit cross jewelry, crosses/religious symbols on clothing, etc.?

France is extremely strict on this actually, over there you are not allowed to have anything religious in public schools- christian's can't wear crosses, jews can't wear stars of david, muslims can't wear veils or burkas, etc.

Ok, so we could take France's model to heart and prohibit political, religious, or philosophical stuff from clothing in our public schools. Great. Now what if people are being offended by something that is neither? What if a lot of the students in a school find the color taupe offensive, should we ban it too just to appease them? I've never been a big fan of navy, I always thought that people wearing navy should have either worn black or chosen another color entirely... maybe I should have demanded my school add that to their policy just to keep me happy. Or how about whites after labor day? 'cuz that always got on my nerves too. :roll:

At what point would it make sense to just tell people to grow the fuck up and go "ok, so you're offended by what little bobby is wearing- time to be an adult and stop crying over it. If you don't like it, don't wear it yourself. You're going to have to deal with people wearing stuff you don't like at some point or another you might as well get used to it now."? If anything our country could benefit from giving our kids a reality check or two before they become adults, to make them wake up and realize their entitlement "get whatever you want" lifestyle isn't realistic or representative of reality. Oh so little christian stevie is mad because Susie wore a pentigram to school... cry me a river, what is stevie going to do as an adult when he sees someone wearing one at the mall? Go find a mall cop to get the "offending" other shopper thrown out? Do we really want kids to think they should run to an authority figure to whine about things they find offensive to get it banned like that?

And we wonder why so many millions of Americans thought they were scarred for life after seeing Janet Jackson's tit for a full second on live tv... Newsflash, if someone thinks their life has been ruined because they saw a girl's tit on TV for a couple seconds, chances are they've failed at life and aren't going to be all that productive in society, or our country. Same is true if we replace "tit" with a swastika, confederate flag, or a religious symbol.


If the kid wants to dress like a girl outside of school, fine, he can do so before and after school, on the weekends, and during vacations.

This would never work in a dress code policy because you'd have too much trouble in defining, in the policy what "girl clothing" and "guy clothing" is (outside of the obvious stuff like bras, skirts and so on). Even if you did manage to somehow define "guy clothing" and "girl clothing" definitively, then what would you do to cope with the smart ass guy who decides to only wear white & pink guy-clothing every day to make fun of your policy?

And if your policy ends up allowing girls to wear "guy clothing" when guys can't wear "girl clothing" then you've just set your already budget-strapped school up for a costly lawsuit for being discriminatory.

Because that IS the other dimension to these things. Our society usually lets girls get away with whatever they want as far as presentation goes. Girls can have long OR short hair, manicured OR cut nails, makeup OR no makeup, skirts OR pants, pierced ears OR not, and so on. Whenever schools try to enforce societal gender noms like those, what usually happens is the policy causes an expensive lawsuit, and almost always- it ends up getting shot down in the end for unfairly regulating guys while letting girls do whatever they want. And considering how strapped most schools are for money, this makes dress code policies potentially worse then not having them in the first place.

[BrendaQG]

I know just how that kid feels. My school had the exact same kind of dress code. One for girls, which basically said they could wear whatever they wanted, one for boys which was really draconian (and only introduced after they got a load of me.) I mean boys could not even wear V neck t's, shorts shorter than three inches above or longer than three inches below the knee, only when it was above 80 degree's on school grounds...and so on.

I stayed in school and did not give them the satisfaction of chasing me away. Eventually I won enough support to hang in there and graduate. Damm anything else.

I saw this on Headline news and sent an email. I said s/he should not wear the blazer, wedges, and such to school. That instead they should wear what the girls wear, something more casual. I mean they wore a pink wig to school.... depending on the wig, even I'd say that's a bit much for a school day. Save that for the weekend.

The administrators may try to trump up another reason to get rid of a "disruptive" individual. The truth will see him through that.

[phobun]

I know just how that kid feels.
Hontas, he considers himself a male and hasn't even bothered to use a female name. He's not transgender, just a some garish gayboy trying to get some mileage on the Chris Crocker bandwagon.

This dude is all about being disruptive, and I doubt that he has any goal of trying advance understanding about transgender teens.

His 15 minutes of flame could ultimately be very damaging to some other transsexual high school student in the future.

[Legend]

His 15 minutes of flame could ultimately be very damaging to some other transsexual high school student in the future.

How so?

[BrendaQG]

I know just how that kid feels.
Hontas, he considers himself a male and hasn't even bothered to use a female name. He's not transgender, just a some garish gayboy trying to get some mileage on the Chris Crocker bandwagon.

This dude is all about being disruptive, and I doubt that he has any goal of trying advance understanding about transgender teens.

People don't always know with clarity how they want to live their lives by the ripe ol age of 16. Some people take a bit more time to think about it. The realities and practicalities of it.

I do know this kid spoke on headline news of using the girls bathrooms habitually. Furthremore according to him at his school in Miami he dressed that way, all the time, without incident. Gay men don't do that. One more thing.. technically anyone who transcends or transgresses gender boundaries in any way is transgender. By that definition Johnathan is transgender as hell. (Just not a transsexual)

[phobun]

His 15 minutes of flame could ultimately be very damaging to some other transsexual high school student in the future.

How so?
Maybe I'm wrong, but my impression of him is that he is a Chris Crocker type going by the name of Jonathan. In Georgia, people might not make a distinction between him and a real transsexual high school student, one who would seek to live and be known as a female, despite not yet having had a formal change of legal name.

[SarahG]

One more thing.. technically anyone who transcends or transgresses gender boundaries in any way is transgender. By that definition Johnathan is transgender as hell. (Just not a transsexual)

I disagree completely. Transgender is not a term that applies universally to people who violate gender norms.

Lots of people violate gender norms without being transgender. A GG who likes to shave her hair off would not be considered transgender for that reason alone, yet in our society women very rarely like to keep their hair shaved.

Most people violate a few gender norms here and there. Very few people embody every gender role in their society. If we were to use a definition that liberal, virtually everyone in the world would be TG.

[eclipsemint]

I have a dream, where all people are created TG, and every man will have the love of a TG of his own, and we shall mount our GGs and go riding off into a golden sunset, as though at one, at last.

[Nicole Dupre]

Maybe I'm wrong, but my impression of him is that he is a Chris Crocker type going by the name of Jonathan. In Georgia, people might not make a distinction between him and a real transsexual high school student, one who would seek to live and be known as a female, despite not yet having had a formal change of legal name.

Once again, you've taken it upon yourself to pontificate on the topic of who is and isn't a "real" transsexual. :roll:

"Physician, heal thyself".

[Silcc69]

I know just how that kid feels. My school had the exact same kind of dress code. One for girls, which basically said they could wear whatever they wanted, one for boys which was really draconian (and only introduced after they got a load of me.) I mean boys could not even wear V neck t's, shorts shorter than three inches above or longer than three inches below the knee, only when it was above 80 degree's on school grounds...and so on.

I stayed in school and did not give them the satisfaction of chasing me away. Eventually I won enough support to hang in there and graduate. Damm anything else.

I saw this on Headline news and sent an email. I said s/he should not wear the blazer, wedges, and such to school. That instead they should wear what the girls wear, something more casual. I mean they wore a pink wig to school.... depending on the wig, even I'd say that's a bit much for a school day. Save that for the weekend.

The administrators may try to trump up another reason to get rid of a "disruptive" individual. The truth will see him through that.

I think wearing a pink wig to school on a normal school day is what probably did it.