Trannies are getting fucked!

[Morgan Bailey]

blah blah blah lol

[rockabilly]

That really sucks Morgan! That is unfair and unjustified.

[SammiValentine]

Sooo... what do we do about it? Some kind of TS models union, this could maybe work in specific countries if all girls stick together and do not work for any less than a set rate - a bog standard minium. This is really difficult to co-ordinate on a global scale thogh I would imagine, simply based on global economy..

Another alternative is stop looking at shoots for websites/DVDS as your "bread and buttah" (danny dyer impression) and look at it more as a get your face out there / advertising and your being paid for the privilege.

If you can work on that basis and concentrate on a solo site that you own / run yourself rather than stuck in a 50/50 deal then you can turn the tables on how this niche works - to a degree. Do not misunderstand me though, I am not saying that I agree with being paid less/low amounts compared to other niches... for hardcore shoots with websites or DVDS :-| See your point totally :)

The best is when you do a "shared content" shoot that is agreed not for DVD and half a year later your on the cover of a DVD... ;O

[Dirky]

If the salaries are correct and I have no reason to doubt you, trans actresses are getting a bum deal. I would have guessed you were making around $1500 to $2000.

But whatever you do KEEP the tits, dammit.

[Morgan Bailey]

Sooo... what do we do about it? Some kind of TS models union, this could maybe work in specific countries if all girls stick together and do not work for any less than a set rate - a bog standard minium. This is really difficult to co-ordinate on a global scale thogh I would imagine, simply based on global economy..

Another alternative is stop looking at shoots for websites/DVDS as your "bread and buttah" (danny dyer impression) and look at it more as a get your face out there / advertising and your being paid for the privilege.

If you can work on that basis and concentrate on a solo site that you own / run yourself rather than stuck in a 50/50 deal then you can turn the tables on how this niche works - to a degree. Do not misunderstand me though, I am not saying that I agree with being paid less/low amounts compared to other niches... for hardcore shoots with websites or DVDS :-| See your point totally :)

The best is when you do a "shared content" shoot that is agreed not for DVD and half a year later your on the cover of a DVD... ;O

Thats just it it's not my bread and butter, I'm a succesful tattoo artist. Point is trannies are being takken advantage of.....bottom line

[Morgan Bailey]

Sooo... what do we do about it? Some kind of TS models union, this could maybe work in specific countries if all girls stick together and do not work for any less than a set rate - a bog standard minium. This is really difficult to co-ordinate on a global scale thogh I would imagine, simply based on global economy..

Another alternative is stop looking at shoots for websites/DVDS as your "bread and buttah" (danny dyer impression) and look at it more as a get your face out there / advertising and your being paid for the privilege.

If you can work on that basis and concentrate on a solo site that you own / run yourself rather than stuck in a 50/50 deal then you can turn the tables on how this niche works - to a degree. Do not misunderstand me though, I am not saying that I agree with being paid less/low amounts compared to other niches... for hardcore shoots with websites or DVDS :-| See your point totally :)

The best is when you do a "shared content" shoot that is agreed not for DVD and half a year later your on the cover of a DVD... ;O

Thats just it it's not my bread and butter, I'm a succesful tattoo artist. Point is trannies are being takken advantage of.....bottom line

if you can't beat em join em right?

anyone want to shoot for me? I'll make a fucking dvd!

[BellaBellucci]

How I haven't already posted on this topic is completely beyond me. Are you going to become an activist too now? lol

~BB~

PS: Crack is whack!

[SammiValentine]

Sooo... what do we do about it? Some kind of TS models union, this could maybe work in specific countries if all girls stick together and do not work for any less than a set rate - a bog standard minium. This is really difficult to co-ordinate on a global scale thogh I would imagine, simply based on global economy..

Another alternative is stop looking at shoots for websites/DVDS as your "bread and buttah" (danny dyer impression) and look at it more as a get your face out there / advertising and your being paid for the privilege.

If you can work on that basis and concentrate on a solo site that you own / run yourself rather than stuck in a 50/50 deal then you can turn the tables on how this niche works - to a degree. Do not misunderstand me though, I am not saying that I agree with being paid less/low amounts compared to other niches... for hardcore shoots with websites or DVDS :-| See your point totally :)

The best is when you do a "shared content" shoot that is agreed not for DVD and half a year later your on the cover of a DVD... ;O

Thats just it it's not my bread and butter, I'm a succesful tattoo artist. Point is trannies are being takken advantage of.....bottom line

if you can't beat em join em right?

anyone want to shoot for me? I'll make a fucking dvd!

:) I'll do it for some crack !! ;) Jokes aside your right re rates and there is no real money in shooting for others in this niche.

[Dirky]

anyone want to shoot for me? I'll make a fucking dvd!

Why don't you do it?

I've often wondered why tranny performers don't cross-over and make their own DVD's. Tara Emory is a great example.

[SammiValentine]

anyone want to shoot for me? I'll make a fucking dvd!

Why don't you do it?

I've often wondered why tranny performers don't cross-over and make their own DVD's. Tara Emory is a great example.

There is more of us doing just that but it is just not that simple, and takes some investment - but it is possible ;)

[TSMissJasmine]

I'm kinda pissed off, ts is the most searched porn online next to straight. All the companies are makking the big bucks and paying as low as they can. I won't mention names but twice in the last month I've been asked to shoot for $250 less than what I would normally get......THAT SUCKS!

Does anyone else care or am I alone in this un-justice mind set that trannies are really getting fucked!

I care, which is why I have started producing content rather than shoot for sites that try to take advantage of my talents.

There are two variables that are driving ts porn pay down. One is since the economy is where it is and escorts are seeing less clients, there are many more ts models to choose from.

The biggest problem is ourselves. Bottom line is certain sites are driving the pricing down and as long as we all agree to work at those ridiculously low prices, we'll continue to get fucked over. They will offer us lower and lower wages and until we say fuck you we won't work, then the price will continue to be driven lower and lower. I personally stopped shooting for other sites with the exception of SheMale-Club since the owner is my partner in my solo site.

Personally I am combating the opportunist's taking advantage of tgirls by shooting productions on my own. Trying to create a brand that will empower girls to be successful. Eventually we can potentially have some type of "union" or "work group" that can even provide health insurance for us. But not until we get our shit together and take the industry back on our own. As long as we have tranny chasers creating TS content, they will get rich and we will continue to have to suck dick and escort to pay our bills.

Keep in mind ladies, TS porn is not only the biggest growth market, but the only growth market. As long as we continue to do $1000 hardcore shoots for dvd series of other sites, they will make bank and you will just be another model. Also for solo site girls, keep in mind that when you shoot for a different site, potential members join that site, not yours. And also remember that those same sites are making money off of your affiliate program when they do link their sets to your site....bad bad bad for business...

Choose your porn partners carefully as everyone out there is trying to make money off of our lives, our transitions...our world.

And then they all want free dick in the process.....

Take back the power!!!!!!!!

[SammiValentine]

I'm kinda pissed off, ts is the most searched porn online next to straight. All the companies are makking the big bucks and paying as low as they can. I won't mention names but twice in the last month I've been asked to shoot for $250 less than what I would normally get......THAT SUCKS!

Does anyone else care or am I alone in this un-justice mind set that trannies are really getting fucked!

I care, which is why I have started producing content rather than shoot for sites that try to take advantage of my talents.

There are two variables that are driving ts porn pay down. One is since the economy is where it is and escorts are seeing less clients, there are many more ts models to choose from.

The biggest problem is ourselves. Bottom line is certain sites are driving the pricing down and as long as we all agree to work at those ridiculously low prices, we'll continue to get fucked over. They will offer us lower and lower wages and until we say fuck you we won't work, then the price will continue to be driven lower and lower. I personally stopped shooting for other sites with the exception of SheMale-Club since the owner is my partner in my solo site.

Personally I am combating the opportunist's taking advantage of tgirls by shooting productions on my own. Trying to create a brand that will empower girls to be successful. Eventually we can potentially have some type of "union" or "work group" that can even provide health insurance for us. But not until we get our shit together and take the industry back on our own. As long as we have tranny chasers creating TS content, they will get rich and we will continue to have to suck dick and escort to pay our bills.

Keep in mind ladies, TS porn is not only the biggest growth market, but the only growth market. As long as we continue to do $1000 hardcore shoots for dvd series of other sites, they will make bank and you will just be another model. Also for solo site girls, keep in mind that when you shoot for a different site, potential members join that site, not yours. And also remember that those same sites are making money off of your affiliate program when they do link their sets to your site....bad bad bad for business...

Choose your porn partners carefully as everyone out there is trying to make money off of our lives, our transitions...our world.

And then they all want free dick in the process.....

Take back the power!!!!!!!!

Nice post :) x

[Morgan Bailey]

I'm kinda pissed off, ts is the most searched porn online next to straight. All the companies are makking the big bucks and paying as low as they can. I won't mention names but twice in the last month I've been asked to shoot for $250 less than what I would normally get......THAT SUCKS!

Does anyone else care or am I alone in this un-justice mind set that trannies are really getting fucked!

I care, which is why I have started producing content rather than shoot for sites that try to take advantage of my talents.

There are two variables that are driving ts porn pay down. One is since the economy is where it is and escorts are seeing less clients, there are many more ts models to choose from.

The biggest problem is ourselves. Bottom line is certain sites are driving the pricing down and as long as we all agree to work at those ridiculously low prices, we'll continue to get fucked over. They will offer us lower and lower wages and until we say fuck you we won't work, then the price will continue to be driven lower and lower. I personally stopped shooting for other sites with the exception of SheMale-Club since the owner is my partner in my solo site.

Personally I am combating the opportunist's taking advantage of tgirls by shooting productions on my own. Trying to create a brand that will empower girls to be successful. Eventually we can potentially have some type of "union" or "work group" that can even provide health insurance for us. But not until we get our shit together and take the industry back on our own. As long as we have tranny chasers creating TS content, they will get rich and we will continue to have to suck dick and escort to pay our bills.

Keep in mind ladies, TS porn is not only the biggest growth market, but the only growth market. As long as we continue to do $1000 hardcore shoots for dvd series of other sites, they will make bank and you will just be another model. Also for solo site girls, keep in mind that when you shoot for a different site, potential members join that site, not yours. And also remember that those same sites are making money off of your affiliate program when they do link their sets to your site....bad bad bad for business...

Choose your porn partners carefully as everyone out there is trying to make money off of our lives, our transitions...our world.

And then they all want free dick in the process.....

Take back the power!!!!!!!!
love it, thanks for caring and not makking a joke of it!

SheMale-Club is a great site and I'm happy to shoot for Isa any day.

[TSMissJasmine]

anyone want to shoot for me? I'll make a fucking dvd!


Sure can we do the "Tranny Cougar throat fucks tattooed party girl." scene?

[tsmandy]

I really love the sentiments behind this post, but I think it is a tad bit innacurate. Many companies pay TS far better than they do female talent. Kink for instance pays TS far higher for their shoots than they do their female models, and their female models are often times getting their assholes and pussy's electrocuted amongst other forms of torture (for 6 or 700 dollars). And I know other directors who pay TS much higher than they pay female performers. Gay porn is even worse, I know guys who are excited to be getting paid 1-300 for a scene.

Generally I think TS are compensated well on a per-shoot basis, we just get offered far fewer roles and we don't often have the power to bargain for a higher fee based on what we do in the scene.

If you think there are alot of TS who will do a scene for drug money it is good to remember that there are exponentially more cisgendered women who are willing to do the same in straight porn. Its just part of the industry. The best thing a girl can do is establish herself and find ways to stand out, and make movies that engage people.

Right now I've started negotiating with some really amazing women I want to shoot who are excited to work for lower wages because they are working for a woman and they understand that I can't necessarily compete with larger companies financially. I think it would be really great if TS started showing that level of solidarity amongst each other, being willing to work for less pay on occasion to support women run projects, and helping each other out with good paying gigs when they are available.

[BellaBellucci]

I really love the sentiments behind this post, but I think it is a tad bit innacurate. Many companies pay TS far better than they do female talent. Kink for instance pays TS far higher for their shoots than they do their female models, and their female models are often times getting their assholes and pussy's electrocuted amongst other forms of torture (for 6 or 700 dollars). And I know other directors who pay TS much higher than they pay female performers. Gay porn is even worse, I know guys who are excited to be getting paid 1-300 for a scene.

Generally I think TS are compensated well on a per-shoot basis, we just get offered far fewer roles and we don't often have the power to bargain for a higher fee based on what we do in the scene.

If you think there are alot of TS who will do a scene for drug money it is good to remember that there are exponentially more cisgendered women who are willing to do the same in straight porn. Its just part of the industry. The best thing a girl can do is establish herself and find ways to stand out, and make movies that engage people.

Right now I've started negotiating with some really amazing women I want to shoot who are excited to work for lower wages because they are working for a woman and they understand that I can't necessarily compete with larger companies financially. I think it would be really great if TS started showing that level of solidarity amongst each other, being willing to work for less pay on occasion to support women run projects, and helping each other out with good paying gigs when they are available.

Very well said.

~BB~

[Morgan Bailey]

I really love the sentiments behind this post, but I think it is a tad bit innacurate. Many companies pay TS far better than they do female talent. Kink for instance pays TS far higher for their shoots than they do their female models, and their female models are often times getting their assholes and pussy's electrocuted amongst other forms of torture (for 6 or 700 dollars). And I know other directors who pay TS much higher than they pay female performers. Gay porn is even worse, I know guys who are excited to be getting paid 1-300 for a scene.

Generally I think TS are compensated well on a per-shoot basis, we just get offered far fewer roles and we don't often have the power to bargain for a higher fee based on what we do in the scene.

If you think there are alot of TS who will do a scene for drug money it is good to remember that there are exponentially more cisgendered women who are willing to do the same in straight porn. Its just part of the industry. The best thing a girl can do is establish herself and find ways to stand out, and make movies that engage people.

Right now I've started negotiating with some really amazing women I want to shoot who are excited to work for lower wages because they are working for a woman and they understand that I can't necessarily compete with larger companies financially. I think it would be really great if TS started showing that level of solidarity amongst each other, being willing to work for less pay on occasion to support women run projects, and helping each other out with good paying gigs when they are available.

with all due respect Mandy I'm very acurate. I'm talking about people in the top of there game. More mainstream than fetish. There might be girls zapping there snatch but thats what they like to do.....right? I personally am not just trying to do a scene here and there, I'm trying to build an empire. Now that being said I'm also limiting myself to who I shoot with from now on aswell. Kink pay's top for tranny but even kink has lowered there rates too. Look if your happy with what your doing and how your being compensated fine, I think your a very beautiful girl and persoanly would love to see you making more money aswell.

[Morgan Bailey]

anyone want to shoot for me? I'll make a fucking dvd!


Sure can we do the "Tranny Cougar throat fucks tattooed party girl." scene?

I'm not sure I know any tattooed party girls? hmmmmm let me think awhile

[Yeah]

THAT DOES SUCK MORGAN; I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT YOU GIRLS WERE MAKING AT LEAST $1000 TO $2000 A SCENE. IT'S DEFINIATELY BULLSHIT, ESPECIALLY WHEN IM BUYIN DVDS AT $38 TO $46. SOMEONES I.E. THE COMPANY IS MAKING SOME SERIOUS CASH. ITS TOO BAD A BUNCH OF YOU GIRLS DON'T GET TOGETHER AND FORM YOUR OWN PRODUCTION COMPANY WITH DISTRIBUTION. ID BUY EM FROM YOU GIRLS, AND I BUY A FEW EVERY MONTH. BY THE WAY MORGAN, IF YOU NEED AN EXTRA GUY FOR A SCENE BEAUTIFUL LET ME KNOW, IT WOULD AWESOME. SEEYA LATER;

CRAIG

[tsmandy]

with all due respect Mandy I'm very acurate. I'm talking about people in the top of there game. More mainstream than fetish. There might be girls zapping there snatch but thats what they like to do.....right? I personally am not just trying to do a scene here and there, I'm trying to build an empire. Now that being said I'm also limiting myself to who I shoot with from now on aswell. Kink pay's top for tranny but even kink has lowered there rates too. Look if your happy with what your doing and how your being compensated fine, I think your a very beautiful girl and persoanly would love to see you making more money aswell.

It's cool, like I said I really love the sentiment behind what you are saying. I just don't think TS are necessarily paid any worse than non trans women in the sex industry. Compared to many female performers we are paid quite well for the amount of work we have to do.

Also the US Transsexual porn industry is far smaller than its straight counterpart, so it is much easier for some girls to become considered a top name in the industry. That doesn't necessarily equate with a top name girl bringing in the kind of income that big name female performers do. GG porn stars often shoot 1-200 scenes a year, you just can't compare a TS who shoots 20-30.

I would be totally happy with 8-1200 a scene depending on what I'm doing, as long as I was getting work steady like non-TS performers do.

[hotmale69]

what are you serious. thats sucks it doesnt even cover their cost
TS should be paid more than the rest

[HP1000]

You girls should start a union and demand more wages. Get a lawyer and have him draw you up a contract that says you recieve 10% royalties on every DVD sold by the publishers.

I don't see how any girl could survive on $200 per shoot! Probably a lot of starving actress's out there right now! :x

[tsmandy]

You girls should start a union and demand more wages. Get a lawyer and have him draw you up a contract that says you recieve 10% royalties on every DVD sold by the publishers.

I don't see how any girl could survive on $200 per shoot! Probably a lot of starving actress's out there right now! :x

Who is paying $200 a shoot in the US?

[Morgan Bailey]

with all due respect Mandy I'm very acurate. I'm talking about people in the top of there game. More mainstream than fetish. There might be girls zapping there snatch but thats what they like to do.....right? I personally am not just trying to do a scene here and there, I'm trying to build an empire. Now that being said I'm also limiting myself to who I shoot with from now on aswell. Kink pay's top for tranny but even kink has lowered there rates too. Look if your happy with what your doing and how your being compensated fine, I think your a very beautiful girl and persoanly would love to see you making more money aswell.

It's cool, like I said I really love the sentiment behind what you are saying. I just don't think TS are necessarily paid any worse than non trans women in the sex industry. Compared to many female performers we are paid quite well for the amount of work we have to do.

Also the US Transsexual porn industry is far smaller than its straight counterpart, so it is much easier for some girls to become considered a top name in the industry. That doesn't necessarily equate with a top name girl bringing in the kind of income that big name female performers do. GG porn stars often shoot 1-200 scenes a year, you just can't compare a TS who shoots 20-30.

I would be totally happy with 8-1200 a scene depending on what I'm doing, as long as I was getting work steady like non-TS performers do.

I can't argue that, I too wouldn't mind if I was shooting 3-4 scenes a week.

[hotmale69]

I got an idea if everyone agrees, why not we all contribute and make a TS porn studio
I am very serious, we will go very good hardcore, 15 to 20 minutes pain and we will make series
The deal will be the stars get 15% of the revenue as incentive

lets do it guys, I am sure we can, if we all gather, there will be ppl all over the world, and we can make movies of TS stars all over the globe+ the company will grow

I can perform as a male star

[tsmandy]

I can't argue that, I too wouldn't mind if I was shooting 3-4 scenes a week.

Yeah, I always feel like I hit my stride after the 3rd scene I shoot in a week. It can be hard to shoot 5 or 6 times in a week and then not at all for a month. But if I were shooting 20 scenes a month I wouldn't even mind $500 a scene cause that would still be 10k a month. But when you only get a couple gigs a month even a thousand a scene is not very much.

[TSMissJasmine]

I really love the sentiments behind this post, but I think it is a tad bit innacurate. Many companies pay TS far better than they do female talent. Kink for instance pays TS far higher for their shoots than they do their female models, and their female models are often times getting their assholes and pussy's electrocuted amongst other forms of torture (for 6 or 700 dollars). And I know other directors who pay TS much higher than they pay female performers. Gay porn is even worse, I know guys who are excited to be getting paid 1-300 for a scene.

Generally I think TS are compensated well on a per-shoot basis, we just get offered far fewer roles and we don't often have the power to bargain for a higher fee based on what we do in the scene.

If you think there are alot of TS who will do a scene for drug money it is good to remember that there are exponentially more cisgendered women who are willing to do the same in straight porn. Its just part of the industry. The best thing a girl can do is establish herself and find ways to stand out, and make movies that engage people.

Right now I've started negotiating with some really amazing women I want to shoot who are excited to work for lower wages because they are working for a woman and they understand that I can't necessarily compete with larger companies financially. I think it would be really great if TS started showing that level of solidarity amongst each other, being willing to work for less pay on occasion to support women run projects, and helping each other out with good paying gigs when they are available.

I don't think the point of this thread is to discuss what girls are willing to work for. As far as comparing gg compensation with ts compensation, its two different worlds. While the straight and gg solo adult porn market is ever shrinking, the TS market is the only expansion segment in the porn market right now (aside from the unbelievable growth market for free porn sites...) For me its not about how much money I net at the end of the month. It's about being part of a growing project and being compensated accordingly to the work put into a production or website scene.

And if a ts seduction is the example, thats a perfect one. 1 year ago tgirls were getting paid 3 grand for their 6 hour shoot day where now they are being offered 1,000 for the same shoot. No less time, no less work. just 30% of the original pay. TS pay site renewals are down 30% due to free sites and repetitive productions.

I think the point is while we do a shoot for 600-1000 and the producer makes 5,000-50,000 or more (on a dvd production), by the time they put our scene on a dvd or our pics on a box cover...because their old product is losing renewals we are to take the income loss?

I think the point of this thread is to remind girls that they deserve to be paid accordingly. Even if that means collaboration with other tgirls/producers and such to create something new and fresh and get compensated accordingly. Whether its back end compensation (no pun intended) such as a percentage of dvd sales or whatever, a girl deserves a cut. If a girl is only concerned with the one time pay off then so be it, take your 600 and let the producers make a shit load on ya. There will always be sites that pay a one time only fee and girls that will continue to work for that.

From what I can see there is a really amazing talent pool in the adult TS industry, I would think the creativity and profits should be earned through collaboration of these brilliant business women and talented performers, simple as that.

[mac.B]

You girls are right! You should unionize and get your money rather than doing what you do for these site owners. I had no idea this was happening and I dont like it at all. I have to say tho, that whole solo site stuff (i.e. kimerjames.com, etc) isnt interesting at all. To me anyway. If you girls pooled your money, started your own site, and advertised it as such without loosing sight of what we wanted to see, then youd be fine. I know that you have to be sick of working with those site owners by now and Im sure you have your reasons if you do. But thanx a lot for what you do. Regardless of how it sounds, I sincerely mean that. :wink:

[SugaSweet]

I have noticed reading such publications as AVN and talking to some adult store owners the rapid rise of interest in trans DVD rentals and purchases.
The adult 'industry' reminds me a great deal of the profressional wrestling industry.You can only ask so many questions then the door shuts:Sort of like the freemasons without the secret handshakes I guess.I would not rule out investing with the right scenario and know excellent camera people who would anonymously work and produce an excellent quality product on the side.I remember when my favorite female adult stars like Heather Hunter or Felecia would do the dance club circuit and (although I think they embellished there revenue estimates) many would say would make $3,000 to $5,000 for weekend strip club work.It would be great to see more clubs where tgirls could pick up extra profit.Mandy,I think you are and will do great during your career.You are cuter than 99.99% of the assembly line females now permeating the adult industry and so are many of the other tgirls on this site.

[raybbaby]

I can't say what the true "average" is. Top TS models commonly make $800-1000 per scene. I've only been in the valley a short time, but as a dude, the most I've ever been paid was $350, and that was for a TS scene. So I know dudes make significantly less than GG or TG performers. I am not sure if this was what your friend was talking about, or what. I can't imagine Tgirls settling for $200-$300 per shoot. Is that what you're saying? We all know the real money is in production. The trick is to make that jump with insufficient funding. Porn used to be a "recession proof" industry. Many people blame the current economic recession for plummeting sales, but I believe it is craptastic producers and directors churning out cookie cutter porn. I've worked for only a handful of directors in my 9 months here, and I can tell when a scene is gonna be hot, and when it's gonna be boring to watch. The point I guess I'm trying to make is that the directors an companies they work for suck for low pay, suck for treatment of talent, and suck for the quality of scenes they shoot. I hope to see new production companies and producers blowing up, making porn of all flavors hot again, and I really want to see these no talent hacks limping out of the valley and back to the poor house.
How's that for a rant?

[SexxxyJade]

I have been in the industry for many yrs now and I will say that nothing comes easy. From my experience if you work hard then you can potentially demand what you want. There are a thousand TS that can suck a cock on film but you have to work hard to stand out and make a name for yourself. From my experience. During my time in the industry I have been paid as little as 200 dollars for a shoot and as much a 5k. And actually I did my very first shoot for free. Yes free. I wanted to get into the industry that bad, I wanted to make a name for myself. You see its not always about getting paid a large sum for a quick shoot. Sometimes you have to think long term. Yes Ill admit I have done shoots for 4 or 500 dollars in the past but thinking long term I was able to network so that I will see profits from that in the long run. You can do all kinda things to invest in yourself. If a producer isnt willing to pay you top dollarintitally, demand that he put your personal website link on the DVD credits, or even give you X amount of copies of the DVD's. There are many ways to network and brand yourself so you can see long term profit.
But one thing you should know is this doesn't happen overnite. You have to work hard and eventually you can basically demand what you what. Producers love girls who are great and hard working on film and easy to work with. These are the girls that that producer will call to work with again. He may give you 500 the first time, but over time like I said eventually with hard work and a good fan base built you will be able to demand what you want... top dollar.

~kisses

[HP1000]

I have been in the industry for many yrs now and I will say that nothing comes easy. From my experience if you work hard then you can potentially demand what you want. There are a thousand TS that can suck a cock on film but you have to work hard to stand out and make a name for yourself. From my experience. During my time in the industry I have been paid as little as 200 dollars for a shoot and as much a 5k. And actually I did my very first shoot for free. Yes free. I wanted to get into the industry that bad, I wanted to make a name for myself. You see its not always about getting paid a large sum for a quick shoot. Sometimes you have to think long term. Yes Ill admit I have done shoots for 4 or 500 dollars in the past but thinking long term I was able to network so that I will see profits from that in the long run. You can do all kinda things to invest in yourself. If a producer isnt willing to pay you top dollarintitally, demand that he put your personal website link on the DVD credits, or even give you X amount of copies of the DVD's. There are many ways to network and brand yourself so you can see long term profit.
But one thing you should know is this doesn't happen overnite. You have to work hard and eventually you can basically demand what you what. Producers love girls who are great and hard working on film and easy to work with. These are the girls that that producer will call to work with again. He may give you 500 the first time, but over time like I said eventually with hard work and a good fan base built you will be able to demand what you want... top dollar.

~kisses


Can I ask what producer paid you $5000 for a shoot? And what kind of profits have you gained from your DVD's?

[steviedresses]

United Artists was started by Charlie Chaplin, Mary Pickering, Douglas Fairbanks, and someone else... in 1919, because they were tired of putting up with producers CRAP. So they started their own studio!

Ladies, You need to be the producers. Why do you let others take the profit? There are many of talented, smart, girls in the Valley that know plenty about how to shoot a porno. So if you don't like the money... Start your own production company. I bet you ladies can make a much better porn than a lot of the crap we get.

[raybbaby]

United Artists was started by Charlie Chaplin, Mary Pickering, Douglas Fairbanks, and someone else... in 1919, because they were tired of putting up with producers CRAP. So they started their own studio!

Ladies, You need to be the producers. Why do you let others take the profit? There are many of talented, smart, girls in the Valley that know plenty about how to shoot a porno. So if you don't like the money... Start your own production company. I bet you ladies can make a much better porn than a lot of the crap we get.
I am of the opinion that the best directors are always performers. They know how to get the hell out of the way and just let the sex roll. Why do you think Joey Silvera's stuff is soooo hot? Or (at risk of dating myself) Seymore Butts. Or Jules Jordan.

[TSMissJasmine]

United Artists was started by Charlie Chaplin, Mary Pickering, Douglas Fairbanks, and someone else... in 1919, because they were tired of putting up with producers CRAP. So they started their own studio!

Ladies, You need to be the producers. Why do you let others take the profit? There are many of talented, smart, girls in the Valley that know plenty about how to shoot a porno. So if you don't like the money... Start your own production company. I bet you ladies can make a much better porn than a lot of the crap we get.

Well said, and I think what you say is exactly what this thread's message is all about. Thank you Morgan for getting the flywheel turning....!

[MrsKellyPierce]

hmmmmm wow 250 :O for a shoot 800 for a shoot :O

cheap lol

[Bunzee]

i mean, this is a market economy, supply and demand, and ppl will not pay anymore than they have to....how many people are working for minimum wage in this country? they are working for min wage because its either that or be homeless...95% of the world is living on like $2 a day anyways...so i think as long as you can make enough money to live decently (in my opinion at least $25,000 -$35,000/yr) consider yourself lucky ....

i am sure a few select porn actresses are makin big bank, just as if you look at actors, very few of them are making huge bux while the majority struggles to even get by....

that's how it works...

[Bunzee]

also, for example i heard in thailand girls do shoots for like $50 so its just that in US the cost of living is very high unfortunately...

[eddie]

I would think Tgirls are a specialized niche with less talent in the market but more viewers per model. I would not pay to watch another regular hot blonde gg girl geting fucked in the ass but I paid to see Mandy's hot action because she is so special looking. There are tons of female porn stars and many more replacements but a very fine tgirl is like a rare find. Like a rare classic car found in a garage, not many around and you have to look hard to find them. That being said there is a market which denots the price and there are only a few large sites that pull in the major money. I deal in exotic car sales and I feel your pain Mz Bailey, I scream that I am underpaid all the time. I hear about people making big bucks but I am always trying to get there. I have bought and sold amazing cars that made a ton of money for the owners of the dealerships I deal with, the response as to why I am underpaid is always the same - not your system, not your equipment/location/risk/money so the house always gets the bulk without providing enough incentive to the talent. The house is where the people go, the talent is what they come to see but they want a variety of talent that covers more scope than one girl has to offer. The house also has huge overhead that they constantly need to feed. I think it is very true that you must get your name out there and brand yourself. A few low cost, almost free, shoots will be necessary just to get yourself out there. But you also must capitalize at the right time in the right way.

Morgan Bailey - just to let you know my experience with watching you... I first saw you on SMY in the video preview section. I love interesting tall skinny white hot tgirls so I was taken aback when I saw your preview, lots of jacking off for me that day. Recently I see you got a more polished look: tan, boobs, hair color, hair cut, peircings, lots of effort which gave you a ton of attention. Everyone including myself is currently enamored with you at the time being. You need to do some awesome content for some established sites then branch off and find a way to capture a larger portion of the money people are paying to see you in action. Either start your own site or team up with someone you really trust to get something going that you have a share in.

I have heard stories about the English guy that owns that big site, sounds like he makes lots of the money just from the cars he is buying, very lavish. I also know a certain ts fetish queen that was doing ok with her site when I did a shoot with her a few years ago and I hope she is doing much better today. The personal site is a lot of work but can generate say $50k/yr to start (am I completly wrong here?). That amount of money will help you live well and providing you are not working too many hours there is room for a side job or project that you feel pasionate about and will eventually make the big/extra money from. It all takes time.

I would love to talk business with you girls sometime or do a shoot with one of my cool cars. Anyone game? I love you: Morgan, Mandy, Kelly... I will do a professional photoshoot with any of you girls for your own content all for free. I specialize in specialty cars so it would help if you wanted pose on a hot car. Tara did and she loved it.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Nice ride hon...


I would like to add this is a business..and unless you have a agent doing your bidding. Then ladies... YOU must take control and play hardcore. If you accept 250 that is stupidity. If you accept 600 that is stupidity. I have never done a shoot that cheap lol It is what it is. The director is a business and you are a business. You must come to an arrangement. If they wont go higher, than hold out..If they don't meet your expectations then maybe you are living in a delusional world and your stuff don't sell. One of the two. Most always the director will negotiate and try to make an arrangement. I have never had this problem. It astounds me some of the ladies posting in here have had this issue.

If a girls name sales then they are more willing to pay high prices. It takes time and effort.

Just my two cents...It's business, it is cut throat, and there is always someone hungrier and more talented coming down the stairs :)


Now lets talk about genetic girl models. Unless they are a contract girl they aren't making big bucks. Even contract girls aren't making as big as bucks as some may think. They have to give a percentage to their agency and agent. It may sound like a high price, but when it's split almost in half it's less than what you think.

Secondly I have worked with many female models that are professionals and have agents. They made 600 to 800 for a hardcore sometimes less.

And I am good friends with Isis Love of Kink and she makes less being a Domme Model than a TS model. We had a talk about that one day.

I did not know Kink went down on it's prices. I would never do a 4 hour shoot of domme for a 1000 bucks. NEVER.

I don't do hardcore anymore, but I never tried to ever go below a 1000 bucks. I would make deals to get a 1000 bucks or more everytime.

It's what you must do.

Jade is correct too...you can have them advertise your website, etc that will also help your site sales... and also get dvds that you can sell with autographs to make a ton more money.

there is ways to make money.

But the economy is bad in porn right now and really our niche is still showing profits compared to straight sites.


Gay models do make a big amount if they are on dvds, but most of them make 600 or less sorry Morgan but that is the truth.

Guys in ts porn make 350 or less in LA and some do it for free because they want to be with their favorite ts pornstar.

I know some that work for a 100.

[hotmale69]

I got an idea if everyone agrees, why not we all contribute and make a TS porn studio
I am very serious, we will go very good hardcore, 15 to 20 minutes pain and we will make series
The deal will be the stars get 15% of the revenue as incentive

lets do it guys, I am sure we can, if we all gather, there will be ppl all over the world, and we can make movies of TS stars all over the globe+ the company will grow

I can perform as a male star

Like I said before, we make a Studio, only TS niche and not only that, we will promote the ones, who never went into the movies.
We can do this, I am very good looking in real life, there are other good looking guys all over the world here.

If we hot ppl make this happen, believe me porn will move to a next level
This is what I am planning

Series
1. TRANSSEXUAL GAPES. this is type of fantasy, we will put guys with large dick or some good fucking with average dick. There will be lots of anal GAPES. (only TS will get fucked in this series, targeted towards ppl who dont like TS fucking) VERY HARD CORE SERIES

2. Beauty TS. Solo to start, stripteasing, guy enters and scene starts. Tranny gets fucked, no guys get fucked. main reason, TS being the beautiful women here.

3. Tranny Solo Honeys: TS jerkoffs

4. Top Shot Tranny Hunny: Beautiful landscapes, outdoor fucking and romance, indoor fucking, on pool table, on different position on the sofa.
Regular very romantic TS yummy sex, Fun type theme

5. Rich Tranny: trannies get the guys for money and fucks them, and make them slave sometimes to get fucked too, but main theme tranny fuck guys.

New Concept
TS LOVE. sth that porn dont do, we will make a story like regualr love stories, and we put sex in, 1hr of fucking and 2 hours of sweet love story. we can give happy endings with marriage, or very romantic romeo juliet type passion sex and so on

But nowadays ppl like to see TS girls getting fucked very hard, we have to maintain that, but we will setup in such a way that it is very comfortable, all about planning

Guys we can do this, I can be in as a director, and give you guys stories and what to do and guidelines

The Best part is, we will get New pretty transsexuals, the unknow hot ones.

[MrsKellyPierce]

^^^ to run a porn empire it takes money to make money.

You have the model to pay.

The photographer.

The website designer.

Editing.

and more.

Unless someone has all these skills in one and have good traffic coming to their site I don't see it being profitable.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Kink has been getting a lot of unhappy members as of late.

Since Isis left in my opinion the directing, photo-shoots, and the artistry and story lines haven't been the same.

I know when I was on set last time. The director spent more face time on Tristan and Tristan and I were laughing. The guys don't pay to see the male model in pain they pay to see the ts model giving the pain.

The director did the same with Lobo and Me. It was the weirdest shoot I have ever done.

I prefer ISIS. She was wonderful. They should definitely put her back in charge and I bet sales would go up.

And the pay rate for the models would also go up.

They got rid of a bunch of directors to save money from paying so many different directors.

I don't know what Kink is paying now, but they were paying 1500 to 3000 per shoot and also covering room stay and flights to and from the studio. They were really an awesome company to work for and always treat you well.

[LibertyHarkness]

i agree with Sammi post at begining...

ultimately these mega sites are nothing more than marketing tools for your own brand of site, DVD label.

DVD release in usa is alot cheaper than compared to the UK simplly put you dont have a classifcation board to submit to that takes 1500 pounds off you just to look at the scenes..

They say models should ask for more money (i agree i would love to be paid lots more) but as JAsmine said if sites (i wont name them) are losing 33% of there monthly income then they dont have the budget to pay top model fees..yet they still need to be shooting multipmple models..to keep the members happy...whats more business viable to pay out one whacking model fee or with that same money pay out 3 girls ...Content is King ultimately...especially with the big paysites that need to be feeding it.

Yes a union of sorts would be fantastic, but ultimately it wil never happen as historically speaking (look at tranny forums) half the TS girls cant get along with each other, how on earth would you expect to get along in a business deal.

As Kelly said some of the bigger named girls that are current flavour of the month can command more money as they are sought after..which means the models breaking in, just trying to establish themselves couldnt command the same money at that point ...

I think the point of holding out is good yes, why sell youvself to cheap but it comes down to the individual girl on how much they want to break into the scene..and lets be honest there is only a handful of companies that shoot this niche anyway....so your options are somewhat limited..

x

[SammiValentine]

Nice ride hon...


I would like to add this is a business..and unless you have a agent doing your bidding. Then ladies... YOU must take control and play hardcore. If you accept 250 that is stupidity. If you accept 600 that is stupidity. I have never done a shoot that cheap lol It is what it is.

Hi Kelly - That is v interesting :) It is possible that things vary country to country. Here in the UK our DVD production and companies shooting DVDS is almost non existent and even the amount of major websites that shoot British girls is very low.. then bare in mind the sites that do shoot here well the number of shoots is usually fairly low anyway..... this all makes it very difficult for new UK girls to play hardball or to get into the biz in the 1st place let alone get better rates. For the more experienced girls you feel you like you do not have a lot of leeway as a "paid shoot" is pretty rare in the 1st place so do you risk all by trying to agree a better deal?

From what I know 600$ is the MAXIMUM we get offered over here before any discussion is started, you can offered be as low as $320 on today's exchange rate :p (AFAIK no UK girl has shot for kink anyway)

[TSMissJasmine]

^^^ to run a porn empire it takes money to make money.

You have the model to pay. The photographer. The website designer. Editing and more.

Unless someone has all these skills in one and have good traffic coming to their site I don't see it being profitable.

Not to mention it takes years to build enough content to sustain profitability, member renewals etc.

[shemale-411]

I got an idea if everyone agrees, why not we all contribute and make a TS porn studio
I am very serious, we will go very good hardcore, 15 to 20 minutes pain and we will make series
The deal will be the stars get 15% of the revenue as incentive

lets do it guys, I am sure we can, if we all gather, there will be ppl all over the world, and we can make movies of TS stars all over the globe+ the company will grow

I can perform as a male star

Like I said before, we make a Studio, only TS niche and not only that, we will promote the ones, who never went into the movies.
We can do this, I am very good looking in real life, there are other good looking guys all over the world here.

If we hot ppl make this happen, believe me porn will move to a next level
This is what I am planning

Series
1. TRANSSEXUAL GAPES. this is type of fantasy, we will put guys with large dick or some good fucking with average dick. There will be lots of anal GAPES. (only TS will get fucked in this series, targeted towards ppl who dont like TS fucking) VERY HARD CORE SERIES

2. Beauty TS. Solo to start, stripteasing, guy enters and scene starts. Tranny gets fucked, no guys get fucked. main reason, TS being the beautiful women here.

3. Tranny Solo Honeys: TS jerkoffs

4. Top Shot Tranny Hunny: Beautiful landscapes, outdoor fucking and romance, indoor fucking, on pool table, on different position on the sofa.
Regular very romantic TS yummy sex, Fun type theme

5. Rich Tranny: trannies get the guys for money and fucks them, and make them slave sometimes to get fucked too, but main theme tranny fuck guys.

New Concept
TS LOVE. sth that porn dont do, we will make a story like regualr love stories, and we put sex in, 1hr of fucking and 2 hours of sweet love story. we can give happy endings with marriage, or very romantic romeo juliet type passion sex and so on

But nowadays ppl like to see TS girls getting fucked very hard, we have to maintain that, but we will setup in such a way that it is very comfortable, all about planning

Guys we can do this, I can be in as a director, and give you guys stories and what to do and guidelines

The Best part is, we will get New pretty transsexuals, the unknow hot ones.

I applaud your enthusiasm and shake my head at your naiveté.

[LibertyHarkness]

yep the fees vary the most i got paid for a dvd scene was four hundred pounds i recall ....

Yep sammi no uk girl has shot for kink, i have mailed them a few times but not had a reply back in long long time.. last year was the last time i got a reply lol back when i last mailed them it was 1600dollars for the day for TS Seduction to be shot in europe ...

As Jasmine says you need deep pockets indeed to launch a suscessful multi site as you would need at least 3months worth of content in the can ...

[Bob's Tgirls]

Hi Morgan. Here's my perspective for what it's worth.

On the average transsexuals get paid more than genetic females. It has been that way the whole time I've been doing this. The top name female stars do make more than the top name transsexuals but that is a relatively low number. There is also a lot more money in straight and gay porn. Transsexual porn is on the rise, but not enough to make up for the economy - yet.

The companies producing DVDs are not making big bucks. DVD sales suck so bad, I will likely not be making any more of them.

A friend who was a manager in dvd production at Devil's Films was laid off 2 months ago.

My distributor informed me that they can no longer afford their warehouse space and that the producers need to pick up their stock before the end of the month or it will be discarded.

Website numbers are way down too.

You know the economy is bad if sex stops selling. I don't know of anyone in the sex biz who is not complaining about earnings whether it be dvd producers, webmasters, actors, prostitutes, prodommes - you name it. I hope we can all ride this recession out along with our customers without anyone being too hurt too bad financially.

[armando57]

Morgan,

TS performers should get double the rate that GG's get. Not only are you sexier, but you're sex scenes are more of a turn on than any boy-girl scene.

Keep the tits girl.

Luv ya

[GroobySteven]

What a great topic and it's so nice to see so many of the girls as well as fans, male performers and producers adding sensible and good feedback (what has happened to this forum !?! :twisted: ).

Morgan, your prices are way off on general talent prices. TS's generally, get paid more than female and male performers unless they are a "household" name and a product is going to make a fortune by featuring that name. There simply isn't the amount of potential customers out there, for the TS niche to make that sort of money back.

The DVD market is dying. Traditionally, a good Evil Angel of Vivid production which may have cost $10,000's to make, would recoup it's money through DVD sales and then selling it to multiple international markets or for TV/hotel type broadcasts. We don't have the ability to do that, we need to make our money back from DVD and VOD sales alone. A typical DVD production can cost us around $17k to make and it can take a year to break even ... and then the following years, the profit hopefully comes in from it.

The website's are finding it harder and harder to make money. I've always maintained that Kink's TSSeduction has probably never made profit because the maths just didn't add up on what they were paying performers, affiliates, photographers, etc. to capture a market share of:
BUYERS OF SHEMALE PORN.
LIKE TO SEE GIRLS TOPPING GUYS.
LIKE TO SEE A DUNGEON STYLE ASPECT.

A site like Shemale Japan cost $10,000's to set-up and probably won't go into profit until late 2010 but continues to have high running expenses.

Because WE (the readers of this forum, site members, models, producers) only work in this niche, we have the impression it's much bigger than it actually is but sincerely, out of the 100's of people who may read this thread how many of you:
1. Bought the DVD or VOD of Hazel Does Hollywood? (20???)
2. Have joined a solo girls site (Jade, Jesse, Kelly, etc? (20-30?)
3. Buy regular shemale porn? (50?)

It's a much smaller industry then you think, there are probably only 5-6 producers working in the USA that are any worth and they're mostly smaller independent companies or one-man bands.

As far as a Union goes, I've repeatedly stated that this was a good idea and would support it, within reason. It would be a good networking tool, could set down rules and limits, health aspects, fair prices, etc. However, if it was simply a tool to squeeze more from the producers, then we may have no choice, to just not work with those models and probably most producers apart from a few newbies who didn't know how to contact models, would follow suite, so it would have to be set up sensibly.
Frankly, if ever it could have been done, it would be now as there are more smart and educated girls in the industry than ever before.


Thanks
seanchai

[2009AD]

I've always maintained that Kink's TSSeduction has probably never made profit because the maths just didn't add up on what they were paying performers, affiliates, photographers, etc. to capture a market share of:
BUYERS OF SHEMALE PORN.
LIKE TO SEE GIRLS TOPPING GUYS.
LIKE TO SEE A DUNGEON STYLE ASPECT.


The folks at TSSeduction really need to mix it up a bit. How about scenes where the tgirl ties the guy up and forces him to fuck her? She's still in control, but from the bottom. That would appeal to men who are not interested in seeing guys getting fucked.

[GroobySteven]

I've always maintained that Kink's TSSeduction has probably never made profit because the maths just didn't add up on what they were paying performers, affiliates, photographers, etc. to capture a market share of:
BUYERS OF SHEMALE PORN.
LIKE TO SEE GIRLS TOPPING GUYS.
LIKE TO SEE A DUNGEON STYLE ASPECT.


The folks at TSSeduction really need to mix it up a bit. How about scenes where the tgirl ties the guy up and forces him to fuck her? She's still in control, but from the bottom. That would appeal to men who are not interested in seeing guys getting fucked.

It would but it's still a very small demographic.
On our site which is in the same niche, Transexdomination.com we've had to change to a system where we have alternative weeks of shemale dominating men or men dominating shemales. The content is fantastic but there simply aren't that amount of consumers looking for this. A few years ago practically any new content site would make money but now it's far, far more difficult.

[Tara Emory]

Factor in the enourmous wealth of free/pirated content and really there's a meltdown in the industry. People can get ther rocks off just looking at the TGP galleries and never join a website.

I would say the GG porn business is due for a meltdown of it's own since there's this trifecta going on. 1: too many generic girls competing since they were told they could make big money quick, 2: less sales and 3: more pirated content distributed illegally for free, but the mainstream porn biz still has enough money still kicking around in business to weather this for a while. I'm under the impression that most tranny porn companies (of which there are many less) are pretty much financed by the producers' own money - or their companies money is tied into their personal finances. I guess what I'm saying is that a big company like Vivid has a big staff and employees and offices, whereas tranny porn producers work out of their home, have few employees, etc..

My website numbers were pretty good 4 years ago.. It didn't make me massive amounts of money, but it was consistent. Around a year or two ago they really bottomed out and that might have as much to do with the economy as with the fact that I slowed down my updates to about one a month- (I was very busy with other things in my life).

Seanchai is right about those tiny double digit numbers. I think people would be pretty shocked if I told them the amount of people who usually belong to my website vs the amount who will belong to like my yahoo group (yahoo group- approx 18,000)

But- over the last few months things are looking up, and I've been keeping my updates pretty regular. Also I've been reigning in the password sharing and pirating while limiting the amount I give away for free. And this is all so that I can get BACK to making the sort of money I was doing 4 years ago!

I also started doing an affiliate program, but in the 2 weeks and 20 or so people that have signed up, it's only gotten me one new member to my site (ooh boy ! $12!). I'm really hoping the affiliate thing doesn't backfire though. If too many affiliates put up too much of my content, then people will have plenty of other places to get off on my pictures for free.

As far as working for other people, the most I had even been paid was about 3 years ago. $1000 for a solo scene that took me less than 2 hours to do, (and I didn't have to fly to California). I'm afraid those days are over, and the current trend is that most producers will get you to work two or 3 scenes in one afternoon. It makes sense for them, to take advantage of the fact that you're in town and have your makeup done professionally just the once. When you look at it that way, it sometimes figures out to be about $250- $300 per scene. And then that producer has content that will last them for months, maybe even a year, so you know you probably won't shoot for him again anytime soon.

Anyway when I work for other people, I do those other scenes mostly to increase my visibility and eventually drive sales to my own site. When I shoot for other people, I often can't control how good the content looks. They may light me wrong or shoot me from angles I'd never do, or advertise me with quotes I've never said or whatever.

My LA/ LV trip was sort of like this, and I understand that's the way it is. I came out on top, but airfare/hotel/car rental made a big dent in what I brought home. I don't think demanding to get paid more will help too much, since a lot of producers have been living a pretty high standard of living and are trying to maintain that. And then up and coming producers like me don't have tons of money to pay girls either, and it's not because I've got payments to make on a Maserati or anything. If US girls demand more money, they're just going to fly to Brazil and shoot girls for $50- $100 per scene. Which in turn will keep flooding the market with titles where the girls don't even speak English, and nothing interesting will be made. This worked a few years ago, but it can't continue. We need more titles like "Hazel Does Hollywood" and "Morgan Bailey's Bad Day" if we're going to keep this genre fresh.

The whole economy has shrunk. Lots of things are affecting this. It seems like the ONLY people making money are either moving traffic to big mega sites, charging membership fees to join sites that contain Usenet content (ahem, stolen shit), or advertising revenue that somehow makes money off thes huge sites. I don't know how this all works, but somehow it's allowing these huge sites to have free areas with complete movies, and yet they're making money?

-Tara

[Silcc69]

And they are getting fucked by:

http://www.freepornstarpix.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/tom_moore.jpg

[Tara Emory]

Ew. don't remind me.

This is sort of why I hate coming to LA to shoot porn. You always end up being paired with the same 3 or 4 guys. I'll be very happy to pick from some untapped meat markets, like the Northeast US.

-Tara

[GroobySteven]

We've just started promoting your site today Tara and we use very little content - I'm sure you'll see our sales will be better than many other sites who use more - but you make a good point.

On our latest, ShemalePornstar.com site, we're experimenting without using any affiliates at all apart from the few models (like yourself) who have appeared on the site, being able to make the sales. I just think paying 50% out to the affiliates (this is something that modes/fans don't think of, when they see us charging $24.99-$34.99 per site) is getting crazy and we're working on getting our own sales.


SO JOIN HTTP://WWW.SHEMALEPORNSTAR.COM AND SEE MORGAN BAILEY, TARA EMORY, KELLY SHORE, TS JESSE, HAZEL TUCKER AND MANY, MANY MORE.

[Tara Emory]

We've just started promoting your site today Tara and we use very little content - I'm sure you'll see our sales will be better than many other sites who use more - but you make a good point.

On our latest, ShemalePornstar.com site, we're experimenting without using any affiliates at all apart from the few models (like yourself) who have appeared on the site, being able to make the sales. I just think paying 50% out to the affiliates (this is something that modes/fans don't think of, when they see us charging $24.99-$34.99 per site) is getting crazy and we're working on getting our own sales.


SO JOIN HTTP://WWW.SHEMALEPORNSTAR.COM AND SEE MORGAN BAILEY, TARA EMORY, KELLY SHORE, TS JESSE, HAZEL TUCKER AND MANY, MANY MORE.



Whoa!

http://www.shemalepornstar.com/tour/?direct=1

For some reason it says "Tamara" Emory. WTF? You gotta change that. I HATE that name, and it's not my name!

-Tara
never Tamara. Never Tammy. ew.. ew. ew..

[LibertyHarkness]

:)

I am all up for championing a TS/TV Model union , this is actually something as it goes I have spoke to a number of the english TS girls about ... as a way of getting the UK models to hit the usa as a singular entity etc ... but yes could work on a global scale with all TS models joining .. the downsides would be getting people to comit to it then getting studios/producers to take it seriusly , then also i guess getting it acknowlided with the likes of AVN etc or bgafd etc.

Seanchai interesting one about affiliates as on 1 hand i agree paying out 50% is high , but bettr to make 50% than fuck all ...as without that affiliate you wouldnt have got that sign up ...

As Tara says the free galleries etc are potentially something ot look at . as some of them dish out like 15 pics showing everything.. hell i know i have done the same with my promo pics just on forums...so kinda of limiting the level of sex people see for free could work in favour, then again it may not..time will tell .

Tara in the UK we have to find all our own models. males/females etc, as there isnt really any guys that work regulary with TS..

So moving on, lets talk about a union then, would be interesting to see how many of the models would want to sign up to something like this ..?

[GroobySteven]

For some reason it says "Tamara" Emory. WTF? You gotta change that. I HATE that name, and it's not my name!



We changed your name.
If you'd been in a union, you'd have rights. As your not, you don't.

You are thence known as Tamara Emara as we liked the sound better.

....
....
oh, go on then, we'll change it and shoot the person who fucked it up.

[GroobySteven]

:)

Seanchai interesting one about affiliates as on 1 hand i agree paying out 50% is high , but bettr to make 50% than fuck all ...as without that affiliate you wouldnt have got that sign up ...


Well that's the argument FOR affiliates Libby and once upon a time it made sense and we will still do it, but be more selective. For example, you are going to be competing with your affiliates for the same traffic. If they beat you to that sale, you've lost $X. At what point would it take you, to have found that same potential member?
You post on HungAngels (and other boards), you have blogs, yahoo groups, you can do search engine, you can swap links with other models with blogs, etc.
Yes some affiliates are needed for sure but many, many others are finding members you could have gotten yourself ... it may have taken a little longer, but they would have found you.

The affiliate model is dying, there are too many affiliates showing too much free content.
Shemale Pornstar is our test, we're working with near to zero affiliates which means every 100 of our members, are worth 200 is we were getting affiliate sales. Do the math - I'll work with you on a campaign when your site is ready to go and show you where you should be promoting or which affiliates you should be using before you give it out to all the droll ones.

[Tara Emory]

For some reason it says "Tamara" Emory. WTF? You gotta change that. I HATE that name, and it's not my name!



We changed your name.
If you'd been in a union, you'd have rights. As your not, you don't.

You are thence known as Tamara Emara as we liked the sound better.

....
....
oh, go on then, we'll change it and shoot the person who fucked it up.

How about Tamara Enema?

[LibertyHarkness]

okies look forward to speaking with you soon about it :)

[Tara Emory]

:)

Seanchai interesting one about affiliates as on 1 hand i agree paying out 50% is high , but bettr to make 50% than fuck all ...as without that affiliate you wouldnt have got that sign up ...


Well that's the argument FOR affiliates Libby and once upon a time it made sense and we will still do it, but be more selective. For example, you are going to be competing with your affiliates for the same traffic. If they beat you to that sale, you've lost $X. At what point would it take you, to have found that same potential member?
You post on HungAngels (and other boards), you have blogs, yahoo groups, you can do search engine, you can swap links with other models with blogs, etc.
Yes some affiliates are needed for sure but many, many others are finding members you could have gotten yourself ... it may have taken a little longer, but they would have found you.

The affiliate model is dying, there are too many affiliates showing too much free content.
Shemale Pornstar is our test, we're working with near to zero affiliates which means every 100 of our members, are worth 200 is we were getting affiliate sales. Do the math - I'll work with you on a campaign when your site is ready to go and show you where you should be promoting or which affiliates you should be using before you give it out to all the droll ones.

I don't think the affiliate model is working that well for me either, though it's too early to tell. I have found that there are quite a lot of people who have heard of me, and in the 7 or so years I've had my site, I've probably had thousands upon thousands of people be members to my site at one point or another. The trick is to have those 1000's to all be member's at the same time, and to keep them interested and keep them renewing their memberships.

I don't think the affiliates are really going to hit all that many people who haven't heard of me already. It might help to show them that I'm more active than I used to be, as nothing turns off members like thinking that a particular model is going to abandon their website or go into retirement.

What I hope to happen with affiliates is that I want people to promote my site in places where I wouldn't normally be able to hit.. Different markets, maybe even in different countries, or different languages. I don't know what the prospects for that could be, but wouldn't it be cool if my stuff was huge in Japan or something? I have no idea at all how to make a portal page in Japanese, but if an affilate does, and that gets me memberships, then great!

-tara

-Tara

[WendyWilliams]

As a producer and talent I have alot of views but dont want to step on any toes or anger anyone so Ill just say I agree with Jade. When I started my company years ago I didnt have money to pay 1000 (going rate then) for a hardcore. So girls like Jade, Danielle, Kourtney, Joanna, Farrah ETC would shoot for cost of travel, x number of dvd's to sell to their fans and copy of the pics for their website. In the long run they could benefit with the mateiral than the quick money. It was ladies like that who thought LONG TERM that were successful. When I started out I did alot of trades, selling of the dvd's, asking for my URL on material or trades because branding my name was more important than the quick cash. If a girl didnt want to do than so be it and alot of girls said NO THANKYOU! However it was those girls I sent referrals to other companies and promote heavily on my blogs as an affiliate. I have been blessed with a steady career of almost 7 years now. Ive worked for content trade, small fee's and been paid up too 6k for a scene but in the long run I have tried to make business decisions for the future of my name branding and my website. Now that Ive established my name I can pick and choose to only work for Shemale Club and Grooby as they pay me a nice rate but PROMOTE me heavily which is more important than paying me some huge number. Even as the AVN Performer of the Year Ive been offered low money for a scene but instead of saying no (unless it was for someone I didnt care to work for) it becomes an negotiation of what ELSE can you do for me.......................

It is YOUR decision to pick and choose your work and what you want out of it, I just dont see $$$ as the only available option for my work. If a dvd company will list my URL on their dvd's and send me 30 copies of a dvd that I can sell to clients and fans for 25 bucks than I have made 750 just from the dvds I got for FREE plus the low 500 for the scene AND future website memberships so in the long term its beneficial for me to just negotiate.

Some girls and producers have said I was "taking advantage" of new girls buy paying a lower fee HOWEVER I have always offered MORE to justify the low money like dvd's, website on their galleries and giving them the pics for their sites. HOWEVER Ive always made it clear as what options I have and if they agree great and if not than no hard feelings.

I would never join a "union" of any sorts as I prefer to negotiate whats good for me and my business.

But you can say whatever you want about my course but apparently its working as Im one of only three Individual ts's to run a successful production company that is known on the ts market along side of Gia Darling and Joanna Jet.

[Adultlexicon]

the transexual niche is by far not as big as the straight niche.

also alot of transexual models who are very poluar are from Brazil and 300 dollar is good money in brazil. so why pay 1500 for a Amrican model who isnt that popular.

believe me there alot girl girls who dont get 1500 dollar for a scene.

You cant compare Big pornstar who have millions of fans to an Transexual model who maby has a few 1000 fans.

no hard feelings and i would like to see it different , but thats how it think it is

[Adultlexicon]

All great post with guys here saying TS should get paid 2K for a scene. Maby you people should start buying Porn instead of leeching it from tubes or other places who share TS content for free.

(ofcourse im talking to the ppl who actually leech)

[SugaSweet]

Adultlexicon,the free uploaded material is what many Industry publications and web sites say is killing them.I am sure that is part of the situation along with the economy in general.
I also blame an industry that has went toward quantity and not quality.I do not see any female porn stars who could touch the beauty of Heather Hunter,Felecia,Barbara Dare,Deidre Holland these days.They look instead like 'cookie cutter' material put together on assembly lines.

[ilove2swallow]

Sooo... what do we do about it? Some kind of TS models union, this could maybe work in specific countries if all girls stick together and do not work for any less than a set rate - a bog standard minium. This is really difficult to co-ordinate on a global scale thogh I would imagine, simply based on global economy..

Another alternative is stop looking at shoots for websites/DVDS as your "bread and buttah" (danny dyer impression) and look at it more as a get your face out there / advertising and your being paid for the privilege.

If you can work on that basis and concentrate on a solo site that you own / run yourself rather than stuck in a 50/50 deal then you can turn the tables on how this niche works - to a degree. Do not misunderstand me though, I am not saying that I agree with being paid less/low amounts compared to other niches... for hardcore shoots with websites or DVDS :-| See your point totally :)

The best is when you do a "shared content" shoot that is agreed not for DVD and half a year later your on the cover of a DVD... ;O

Thats just it it's not my bread and butter, I'm a succesful tattoo artist. Point is trannies are being takken advantage of.....bottom line

if you can't beat em join em right?

anyone want to shoot for me? I'll make a fucking dvd!

Start a tranny mafia like the Brazilians

[alyssats]

All great post with guys here saying TS should get paid 2K for a scene. Maby you people should start buying Porn instead of leeching it from tubes or other places who share TS content for free.

(ofcourse im talking to the ppl who actually leech)

+1 the money will be a big help for TS girls especially for transition, beauty maintenance and paying the bills ;)

so please dont be a cheap charlie

[BellaBellucci]

Start a tranny mafia like the Brazilians

Now THERE'S an idea I could get behind. I wonder who I would recruit for the Bellucci Crime Family. ;)

~BB~

[GroobyKrissy]

Wow... I am not sure how I missed this original topic :( Too late to add in but great to see the topic getting some play :)

Shemale Pornstar Blog (http://shemale-pornstar-blog.com/)

[Tepres]

All great post with guys here saying TS should get paid 2K for a scene. Maby you people should start buying Porn instead of leeching it from tubes or other places who share TS content for free.

(ofcourse im talking to the ppl who actually leech)

Agreed. The Internet save-a-hoes squeal about wanting the girls to be paid more, but then most of them don't want to pay for their porn.

[SexxxyJade]

We've just started promoting your site today Tara and we use very little content - I'm sure you'll see our sales will be better than many other sites who use more - but you make a good point.

On our latest, ShemalePornstar.com site, we're experimenting without using any affiliates at all apart from the few models (like yourself) who have appeared on the site, being able to make the sales. I just think paying 50% out to the affiliates (this is something that modes/fans don't think of, when they see us charging $24.99-$34.99 per site) is getting crazy and we're working on getting our own sales.


SO JOIN HTTP://WWW.SHEMALEPORNSTAR.COM AND SEE MORGAN BAILEY, TARA EMORY, KELLY SHORE, TS JESSE, HAZEL TUCKER AND MANY, MANY MORE. And Sexy Jade?

[jcinva]

You guys should set up some Fair Trade Tranny association and only permit producers to use the sticker if they pay some set minimum wage.

And then ask the "cock hounds" as you so charmingly refer to your fans, to purchase only Fair Trade Tranny porn.

[raybbaby]

I saw the thread title and thought the trannies could use my help. "trannies are getting fucked", really? Any way I can help? They're not getting fucked by me, at least not in recent memory.

[Morgan Bailey]

I've been away for a few days now and can't believe how much activity this thread has gotten.
I'm glad to see that alot of people really voiced some strong opinions. I'm sorry I feel like a bit of a bitch for starting something and not being around to back it up. However I was in a foul mood when I wrote it and feeling a little jealous of others, not an attractive quality and something that I've gotten over now.

Thank you all for your opinions I enjoyed reading them all.

[Morgan Bailey]

I've been away for a few days now and can't believe how much activity this thread has gotten.
I'm glad to see that alot of people really voiced some strong opinions. I'm sorry I feel like a bit of a bitch for starting something and not being around to back it up. However I was in a foul mood when I wrote it and feeling a little jealous of others, not an attractive quality and something that I've gotten over now.

Thank you all for your opinions I enjoyed reading them all.

[erty0]

how much is that bald guy thats so popular making?

[rockabilly]

Which bald guy ? Alot of the male performers are bald.

[alyssats]

how much is that bald guy thats so popular making?

youve just made me laugh so hard :lol:

[rockabilly]

Love the new avatar pic Alyssa. :D

[alyssats]

Love the new avatar pic Alyssa. :D

thanks rockabilly need to update pics guys always ask for my recent look very demanding jeje :wink:

[rockabilly]

You look lovely. ;)

[drock]

Sooo... what do we do about it? Some kind of TS models union, this could maybe work in specific countries if all girls stick together and do not work for any less than a set rate - a bog standard minium. This is really difficult to co-ordinate on a global scale thogh I would imagine, simply based on global economy..

Another alternative is stop looking at shoots for websites/DVDS as your "bread and buttah" (danny dyer impression) and look at it more as a get your face out there / advertising and your being paid for the privilege.

If you can work on that basis and concentrate on a solo site that you own / run yourself rather than stuck in a 50/50 deal then you can turn the tables on how this niche works - to a degree. Do not misunderstand me though, I am not saying that I agree with being paid less/low amounts compared to other niches... for hardcore shoots with websites or DVDS :-| See your point totally :)

The best is when you do a "shared content" shoot that is agreed not for DVD and half a year later your on the cover of a DVD... ;O

Thats just it it's not my bread and butter, I'm a succesful tattoo artist. Point is trannies are being takken advantage of.....bottom line

um yes it sounds like trannys are getting fucked and they're getting fucked again by the producers

[frank]

Only the top contract GGs make that or more. The newcomers or normal models make $250 and up per scene. Solo photos are $500 FOR 3 sets.

The benefit that many GGs have is that they can tour in strip clubs for extra cash.

[tsntx]

I'm looking for a male model for monday right, so I hit up a friend who's a big gay star ( he does straight too ) he asked whats the pay. Average for a male is $150-$300 for guy's. He was all no-way would anyone do it for that, they make $1,500-$3,000 a scene.......WHAT THE FUCK?
Genetic females are makking big bucks too( I won't even say but it's more than guy's ) Anyway I'm gonna put it out there TS only make $250-$800 and thats top pay?

I'm kinda pissed off, ts is the most searched porn online next to straight. All the companies are makking the big bucks and paying as low as they can. I won't mention names but twice in the last month I've been asked to shoot for $250 less than what I would normally get......THAT SUCKS!

If I didn't love doing it I'd be out, which brings up my next point....I'm thinking about getting rid of my tits and become a big fucking gay porn star!

I think the reason t-girls are getting less is because you can get some street hooker to do a tranny porn for a crack rock, why would they pay more? All I'm saying is I find it slightly annoying and lame that ts a re being takken advantage of like this.

Does anyone else care or am I alone in this un-justice mind set that trannies are really getting fucked!

ive been saying that for years morgan.... noone wanted to listen to me and the same will go for you..... why? bc some 18yr old fag in drag will be right there taking pennies on the dollar when you decline

thats why the ts market really isnt anything but a giant pile of cd trash w/ a couple of real ts and ts stars sprinkled in for legitimacy

its disgusting

[TheGuard]

Ideally the pay would be quite a bit more, without sounding like captain high horse, it would be nice if girls didn't have to escort to supplement income.

[Silcc69]

FAG IN DRAG! LOL

[tsntx]

Ideally the pay would be quite a bit more, without sounding like captain high horse, it would be nice if girls didn't have to escort to supplement income.

exactly

[Silcc69]

So Jennifer when are you gonna make that first move with Tom Moore?

http://pic.aebn.net/Stream/Movie/Boxcovers/a6518_xlf.jpg

[guyfromdakota]

I'm looking for a male model for monday right, so I hit up a friend who's a big gay star ( he does straight too ) he asked whats the pay. Average for a male is $150-$300 for guy's. He was all no-way would anyone do it for that, they make $1,500-$3,000 a scene.......WHAT THE FUCK?
Genetic females are makking big bucks too( I won't even say but it's more than guy's ) Anyway I'm gonna put it out there TS only make $250-$800 and thats top pay?

I'm kinda pissed off, ts is the most searched porn online next to straight. All the companies are makking the big bucks and paying as low as they can. I won't mention names but twice in the last month I've been asked to shoot for $250 less than what I would normally get......THAT SUCKS!

If I didn't love doing it I'd be out, which brings up my next point....I'm thinking about getting rid of my tits and become a big fucking gay porn star!

I think the reason t-girls are getting less is because you can get some street hooker to do a tranny porn for a crack rock, why would they pay more? All I'm saying is I find it slightly annoying and lame that ts a re being takken advantage of like this.

Does anyone else care or am I alone in this un-justice mind set that trannies are really getting fucked!

TS only get paid 250 to do a scene some of the make more from fucking on the streets

[Ryz]

I wanna do porn :D :wiggle:

[TSMichelleAustin]

TS Women get more than 250 to do a hardcore scene! Thats what guys get!

[lisaparadise]

TS only get paid 250 to do a scene some of the make more from fucking on the streetsthats not true,i know for a fact that the minimum payment for a ts is 800 bucks and the guy gets 200.thats what i got paid from yum 3 years ago and i suspect its much more now.

[TSMichelleAustin]

thats not true,i know for a fact that the minimum payment for a ts is 800 bucks and the guy gets 200.thats what i got paid from yum 3 years ago and i suspect its much more now.

Yea what i am saying a girl gets more than 250 like he said. In TX for Yum the guy gets 150 for scene. And girl gets 1000.

[lisaparadise]

Yea what i am saying a girl gets more than 250 like he said. In TX for Yum the guy gets 150 for scene. And girl gets 1000.ya im talkin canadian 3 years ago it was 1200 canadian now its tough to get canadian girls to do porn cause our dollar is ahead of yours.

[BellaBellucci]

Great thread! A much-needed chronicle of trans-exploitation. :dancing:

Many producers just LOVE to 'keep them hungry.' :geek:

~BB~

[guyfromdakota]

thats not true,i know for a fact that the minimum payment for a ts is 800 bucks and the guy gets 200.thats what i got paid from yum 3 years ago and i suspect its much more now.

I wouldnt even do it for 200 bucks thats not worth my time or energy. Im just going by what the op stated when this topic was started.

[guyfromdakota]

TS Women get more than 250 to do a hardcore scene! Thats what guys get!

TSMichelle you know youre like the biggest hypocrite in here dont you? Bitching about me pulling up old threads and yet youre posting in them if you dont like them then dont post in them how hard is that to do?

[lisaparadise]

I wouldnt even do it for 200 bucks thats not worth my time or energy. Im just going by what the op stated when this topic was started.ya i quess the op changed her mind cause last time i checked she still has a rack lol

[guyfromdakota]

Great thread! A much-needed chronicle of trans-exploitation. :dancing:

Many producers just LOVE to 'keep them hungry.' :geek:

~BB~

I think its a great thread too BellaBellucci! :iagree:

[guyfromdakota]

ya i quess the op changed her mind cause last time i checked she still has a rack lol

LOL I know shes still doing scenes and getting paid whatever the pay is.

[TSMichelleAustin]

TSMichelle you know youre like the biggest hypocrite in here dont you? Bitching about me pulling up old threads and yet youre posting in them if you dont like them then dont post in them how hard is that to do?

FUCK U! Cuz u posted a ts only getting 250 fuck tard, and FYI Morgan Bailey is one of my bestfriends, so I am interested in a thread she posted FAG!

[lisaparadise]

LOL I know shes still doing scenes and getting paid whatever the pay is.but she is right,the shemale porn industry is so corrupt is crazy,how can we as in trannies make less then genetic girls when there isnt alot of us out there it makes no sence period.

[TSMichelleAustin]

but she is right,the shemale porn industry is so corrupt is crazy,how can we as in trannies make less then genetic girls when there isnt alot of us out there it makes no sence period.

I agree with this statement Lisa. Thats why a lot of girls go to produce and manage their own sites. Meghan Chavliar has said in a lot of interviews girls need to own their own content and the rights!

But it is hard to get to that point in the industry!

[lisaparadise]

I agree with this statement Lisa. Thats why a lot of girls go to produce and manage their own sites. Meghan Chavliar has said in a lot of interviews girls need to own their own content and the rights!

But it is hard to get to that point in the industry!if your young and pretty its not that hard.i hope the future is bright for shemale porn and i hope alot of ts listen to that advice.

[guyfromdakota]

FUCK U! Cuz u posted a ts only getting 250 fuck tard, and FYI Morgan Bailey is one of my bestfriends, so I am interested in a thread she posted FAG!

Sounds like you could use a good fucking. Learn how to act like a woman and I just might fuck the shit out of you with this big hard cock! I dont care what your relationship with her is the point is you're loud and youre a hypocrite those are facts you cant dispute!

[guyfromdakota]

but she is right,the shemale porn industry is so corrupt is crazy,how can we as in trannies make less then genetic girls when there isnt alot of us out there it makes no sence period.

I would think that trannies would make more than genetic girls since there seems too be so much intrest in tranny porn and there are so few girls?

[TSMichelleAustin]

Sounds like you could use a good fucking. Learn how to act like a woman and I just might fuck the shit out of you with this big hard cock! I dont care what your relationship with her is the point is you're loud and youre a hypocrite those are facts you cant dispute!

Fag I wouldnt let u touch me with ur nasty hands!

[lisaparadise]

I would think that trannies would make more than genetic girls since there seems too be so much intrest in tranny porn and there are so few girls?exactly.im not dishing the porn producers aka grooby etc cause there just a stepping stone to get where they wanna go as long as the girls get the rights to there own work.

[BellaBellucci]

exactly.im not dishing the porn producers aka grooby etc cause there just a stepping stone to get where they wanna go as long as the girls get the rights to there own work.

Exactly. I just made a deal with a studio to take a slight pay cut (though I should have asked for more, lol) but share content rights and I have to say I'm quite happy with my decision. Mama didn't raise no fool.

~BB~

[lisaparadise]

Exactly. I just made a deal with a studio to take a slight pay cut but share content rights and I have to say I'm quite happy with my decision. Mama didn't raise no fool.

~BB~oh so you were adopted? lol hahahahahaha couldnt resist chicky lol

[guyfromdakota]

Fag I wouldnt let u touch me with ur nasty hands!

Trust me youd love it!

[BellaBellucci]

oh so you were adopted? lol hahahahahaha couldnt resist chicky lol

I wish. Adoptive parents actually love their kids. :lol:

~BB~

[guyfromdakota]

exactly.im not dishing the porn producers aka grooby etc cause there just a stepping stone to get where they wanna go as long as the girls get the rights to there own work.

Maybe the girls need someone to educate them before they get started I dont think most of them have a clue.

[BellaBellucci]

Maybe the girls need someone to educate them before they get started I dont think most of them have a clue.

They don't want a clue. Trust me. I've tried... repeatedly. Everything I say ends up getting back to the producers in question and now I'm a pariah. Girls are desperate, producers like them that way, and that's all there is to it.

~BB~

[lisaparadise]

They don't want a clue. Trust me. I've tried... repeatedly. Everything I say ends up getting back to the producers in question and now I"m a pariah. Girls are desperate, producers like them that way, and that's all there is to it.

~BB~ya its tough talkin to a kid who knows everything its like talking to a brick wall.

[BellaBellucci]

ya its tough talkin to a kid who knows everything its like talking to a brick wall.

:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead

~BB~

[lisaparadise]

:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead

~BB~now that makes giving head a whole new meaning lol

[GroobySteven]

GENERALLY female performers get paid less than TS performers.
SOME female performers who have a large following get paid more as do SOME TS performers.

[BellaBellucci]

GENERALLY female performers get paid less than TS performers.
SOME female performers who have a large following get paid more as do SOME TS performers.

Maybe, but they also get more work and have more choices in terms of with whom they'd like to work. In that respect, the girls control the market, not the producers. Since there are fewer TS producers, the power shifts the other way.

You of all people know this full well.

~BB~

[TSMichelleAustin]

Maybe, but they also get more work and have more choices in terms of with whom they'd like to work. In that respect, the girls control the market, not the producers. Since there are fewer TS producers, the power shifts the other way.

You of all people know this full well.

~BB~

Yea i see what ur saying here but damn a lot of girls in porn biz. Everywhere u turn a new girl pops up. I know it happens in ts porn to but a lot do just one shoot and disappear. IDK maybe I am wrong.

[BellaBellucci]

Yea i see what ur saying here but damn a lot of girls in porn biz. Everywhere u turn a new girl pops up. I know it happens in ts porn to but a lot do just one shoot and disappear. IDK maybe I am wrong.

Of course studios have more options than anyone, but versus TS's? GG's have more options than we do. That's the simple truth.

~BB~

[GroobySteven]

Yea i see what ur saying here but damn a lot of girls in porn biz. Everywhere u turn a new girl pops up. I know it happens in ts porn to but a lot do just one shoot and disappear. IDK maybe I am wrong.

You are both right. There are so many female models or girls dipping a toe in, that it's very hard for them to get more work unless they really have something special going on. Those who do have something special, can pick and choose who they want to work with.

In TS genre there are far less producers but the pool of models is equally diminished with even a greater ratio. Whereas a new producer for a non-TS production could be up and running have a production turned around fast, the new producer for TS content would have a hard time finding models and getting them to shoot (and certainly nowhere near the price what he/she could pay non-TS models) and with the added complications of working with TS models, which is a much high no-show rate than with non-TS models.

[onmyknees]

I wish. Adoptive parents actually love their kids. :lol:

~BB~

But I love U Bella...does that count?? LOL

[lisaparadise]

Of course studios have more options than anyone, but versus TS's? GG's have more options than we do. That's the simple truth.

~BB~like i said before grooby and the others are just stepping stones for us and thank god for that cause without them it would be a whole lot harder to open your own site period.

[BellaBellucci]

and with the added complications of working with TS models, which is a much high no-show rate than with non-TS models.

I have to give you that one, but the male talent is just as bad sometimes, which of course is part of the reason why there are only like 4 male performers in the whole niche!

... not to mention the stigma of working in 'teh trannie pr0n.' :lol:

~BB~

[TSMichelleAustin]

Exactly. I just made a deal with a studio to take a slight pay cut (though I should have asked for more, lol) but share content rights and I have to say I'm quite happy with my decision. Mama didn't raise no fool.

~BB~

Thats great!

[BellaBellucci]

like i said before grooby and the others are just stepping stones for us and thank god for that cause without them it would be a whole lot harder to open your own site period.

Well... the others maybe. ;) :whistle: :lol:


But I love U Bella...does that count?? LOL

You want to adopt an over the hill, would-be transsexual porn star and industry black sheep? Sure!

~BB~

[lisaparadise]

I have to give you that one, but the male talent is just as bad sometimes, which of course is part of the reason why there are only like 4 male performers in the whole niche!

... not to mention the stigma of working in 'teh trannie pr0n.' :lol:

~BB~i dunno i dont watch tgirl porn unless its tg on tg but ill take your word for it lol.

[TSMichelleAustin]

You are both right. There are so many female models or girls dipping a toe in, that it's very hard for them to get more work unless they really have something special going on. Those who do have something special, can pick and choose who they want to work with.

In TS genre there are far less producers but the pool of models is equally diminished with even a greater ratio. Whereas a new producer for a non-TS production could be up and running have a production turned around fast, the new producer for TS content would have a hard time finding models and getting them to shoot (and certainly nowhere near the price what he/she could pay non-TS models) and with the added complications of working with TS models, which is a much high no-show rate than with non-TS models.

Very interesting perspective. Thanks for the insight!

[BellaBellucci]

Why people join unions:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/360671/top_reasons_why_people_join_unions.html

~BB~

[onmyknees]

Someone help me out here....Was it correctly stated that a TS would earn about 250 American for a scene shot by a reputable company? Is that accurate?

[lisaparadise]

Someone help me out here....Was it correctly stated that a TS would earn about 250 American for a scene shot by a reputable company? Is that accurate?no lol the mimimum is 800 atleast thats what it was 3 or 4 years ago im sure its much higher now.