Is feminism genetic racism

[JamesHunt]

There's alot of talk from feminists that women get a raw deal in life and should be given special privileges to compete with men. What do you lot think?

[gotchagood]

There's alot of talk from feminists that women get a raw deal in life and should be given special privileges to compete with men. What do you lot think?LOL!! what raw deal?? Well, IMO, no, they shouldn't have "special" privileges. Women have a warped view of equality, mostly only wanting it "only" if it benefits "ONLY" them.

I just came off a cruise and at the very first lifeboat drill the captain stated that in case of an emergency, women and children first, as if my life or the life of a man is less important. The nerve! You can bet one thing, if the ship had went down, I'd bet my left nut, that you wouldn't have "one" women scream about equality and to let a man have her seat on the lifeboat! IMO, women need to just plain shut up about being treated unfairly and enjoy not being "forced" to sign up for the draft (like men are)and placed on the front lines in Iraq!

Now I know there will be alot of people on here who will call me a misogynist because of my previous statements, but really, I like a woman to be able to have the ability to pay for dinner, clean the gutters, open "my" door for a change, die on a ship, jump in front of the bullet and change the oil in my truck. "TRUE" equality is more of what we need, not special privileges because a person is female.


Have a great day

[JamesHunt]

I like a woman to be able to have the ability to pay for dinner, clean the gutters, open "my" door for a change, die on a ship, jump in front of the bullet and change the oil in my truck.


:lol:

[scroller]

There's alot of talk from feminists that women get a raw deal in life and should be given special privileges to compete with men. What do you lot think?

Hello, 1970 called and it wants its wacky right-wing complaint back.

[trish]

There's alot of talk from feminists that women get a raw deal in life and should be given special privileges to compete with men. What do you lot think?I don't know even one feminist who thinks women should be given special previleges. Not one. I do know women who would like to be financially compensated in a manner commensurate to men for the same job. I know women who would insist the recent Supreme Court ruling on the Ledbetter vs Goodyear case was a travesty of justice. I know catholic woman who lament that the church limits their participation and devalues their spirituality. This complaint would be heard throughout the Muslim world, if woman weren't so completely subjugated by Islam. Woman have to fight continually for their right to their own body, even in this country, as every conservative asshole politician, in his persistent pursuit of the fundamentalist vote, is forever producing legislation to limit reproductive rights. A man can walk into a pharmacy and get viagra, but in some states druggists want the right to deny woman birth control. Yeah, the Earth is a pretty shitty place for women. If you don't want to hear them complain, do something about it.

[raybbaby]

This whole thread will be an enormous fail! Genetic racism?!? Do you even know what those words mean? LMAO at illiterate people trying to weigh in. Hey, "W", is that you?

[JamesHunt]

I don't know even one feminist who thinks women should be given special previleges

:lol:

Here's a woman that thinks every government should have a woman in the mix, as men can't be trusted

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6736142.ece

[2009AD]

This whole thread will be an enormous fail! Genetic racism?!? Do you even know what those words mean?

You should know by now, James Hunt legendary for creating some of the dumbest threads.

[UirCelLanAd]

First, conservatism and republicanism are not the same thing, so the trite slights against conservatism every time a social issue is discussed is, quite frankly, juvenile. I am a conservative because of my fiscal and foreign policy views (based on a life time spent working overseas)...

In terms of sexism, I hope that equality is reached. I am not sure how reliable certain data is regarding the wages of men and women, mainly due to the fact that poor males tend to work in construction jobs, while poor females tend to work in waitressing careers (this of course is a generalization but then again so is any data you quote). Although, both is respectable, a career in construction, male or female, deserves a higher wage.... just a thought...

Finally, I tend to believe that modern and 1960's feminism (not counting the early, true, feminist movement) are more political than anything else. Although I am not a fan and hope that she (Sarah Palin) does not become a conservative figure head, she was exposed to more sexism at the hands of so-called feminist than anyone I can recall in recent memory....

[trish]

First, conservatism is much broader than fiscal conservatism. Almost every politician in America would call herself a fiscal conservative and is. American conservatism includes a set of conflicting and confused stances against a whole set of social issues: gay marriage, choice, stem cell research, evolution, prayer in schools, social security, healthcare, torture, immigration etc. If an American says, “I’m a conservative,” he may not take the conservative side of all these issues, but it’s fair to say he tends to the conservative side of sufficiently many to warrant the label.

I think you’re twisting the attack on Palin to suit your purpose. The objection to Palin, by feminists, was Palin’s sexist policies. Palin is against allowing women the legal right to her own body, even though Palin is proud of the “choice” her own daughter made. Palin’s own popularity is due to sexual stereotyping. I swear, half the men who voted for her did so because she’s a hot milf. Really. :roll:


I am not sure how reliable certain data is regarding the wages...
If you look into these data sets you will see that job equivalencies are factored into the studies. Waitressing is not regarded as equivalent to masonry and construction.


In terms of sexism, I hope that equality is reached.

With this I agree. In the words of Harriet Harmon,
“I think a balanced team of men and women makes better decisions.”

[dgs925]

There's alot of talk from feminists that women get a raw deal in life and should be given special privileges to compete with men. What do you lot think?

Hello, 1970 called and it wants its wacky right-wing complaint back.

:claps :claps :claps :claps

[lochaber]

Yeah, this is a pretty common straw-man argument...

Frequently hear it from the conservatives whenever some oppressed group decides to speak up and demand the equal rights they are due.

You hear it about various minorities, gays, blacks, women, whatever. For the most part, they all want to be treated equally; have equal access to privileges, be treated equally under the law, receive equal pay for equal work, etc.

And as for the front lines bit - do you have any idea how long and how hard some of these feminists have been pushing for the right to serve combat duty in the military? And the women who currently are in the military aren't treated so hot either, there is rampant sexism and outright misogynism in the armed forces, particularly in your more traditional units like the Marine Corps.

For what its worth, I am against the draft. If we can't get enough people to volunteer (misnomer if there ever was one...) for the armed services, then we need to reconsider what wars we are fighting, and how we are compensating our troops. What ever happened to capitalism? If you can't get enough workers, offer higher wages and better benefits (or better yet, stop screwing people out of the benefits already promised to them...)

[gotchagood]

There's alot of talk from feminists that women get a raw deal in life and should be given special privileges to compete with men. What do you lot think?I don't know even one feminist who thinks women should be given special previleges. Not one. I do know women who would like to be financially compensated in a manner commensurate to men for the same job. I know women who would insist the recent Supreme Court ruling on the Ledbetter vs Goodyear case was a travesty of justice. I know catholic woman who lament that the church limits their participation and devalues their spirituality. This complaint would be heard throughout the Muslim world, if woman weren't so completely subjugated by Islam. Woman have to fight continually for their right to their own body, even in this country, as every conservative asshole politician, in his persistent pursuit of the fundamentalist vote, is forever producing legislation to limit reproductive rights. A man can walk into a pharmacy and get viagra, but in some states druggists want the right to deny woman birth control. Yeah, the Earth is a pretty shitty place for women. If you don't want to hear them complain, do something about it.Wow, you said alot. Sorry, but I know a many men who are at work getting paid the same amount of money that a woman is, but doing a greater share of the work. He's toting 100lb. boxes and she 25lbs. but yet she's making the same or better. As far as the Muslim faith goes, alot of their laws are to protect women; you just have extremist who destroy the true meaning of the koran and the West that only wants to focus on the negative. I have a friend who works undercover for the Gov. He said that many of the women "choose" to wear the Burca in Afghanistan and elsewhere. As far as women being limited to pastoral/ leading role in the church is all tangible with scripture, Jesus/ God called on men to lead the church body not women. Also, when a woman is pregnant, it's not just "her" body anymore, and this society seems to forget the fact that it takes two and those rights of the father are all "TERMINATED" until it's time to pay CHILD SUPPORT to some bimbo who got drunk and got pregnant and ended up on Maury or one who tried to "trap" her man, or some lush who can't make it in life so she got pregnant to get on welfare!


Have a great day :wink:

[trish]

I rest my case.

[gotchagood]

Yeah, this is a pretty common straw-man argument...

Frequently hear it from the conservatives whenever some oppressed group decides to speak up and demand the equal rights they are due.

You hear it about various minorities, gays, blacks, women, whatever. For the most part, they all want to be treated equally; have equal access to privileges, be treated equally under the law, receive equal pay for equal work, etc.

And as for the front lines bit - do you have any idea how long and how hard some of these feminists have been pushing for the right to serve combat duty in the military? And the women who currently are in the military aren't treated so hot either, there is rampant sexism and outright misogynism in the armed forces, particularly in your more traditional units like the Marine Corps.

For what its worth, I am against the draft. If we can't get enough people to volunteer (misnomer if there ever was one...) for the armed services, then we need to reconsider what wars we are fighting, and how we are compensating our troops. What ever happened to capitalism? If you can't get enough workers, offer higher wages and better benefits (or better yet, stop screwing people out of the benefits already promised to them...)Before that woman made a big case of joining the all male Citadel, that was a place of honor and guidance. She made a big stink, got the rules changed and then "quit" that citadel has went to hell since, they started having rapes, pregnancies etc. You don't throw the sheep into a lions den. Funny how we don't see women taking to the streets and protesting and burning bras again to fight on the front lines. Yeah, they really want to be on the front lines.......or do they? And I'm sorry, but if I were wounded and had a choice of who to put me over their shoulder and run me to a chopper, someone like Chris Tillman or Sarah Palin, I'm choosing Tillman, now that doesn't make me a misogynist or sexist, it makes me "smart" :wink:

Quite frankly, I say bring our men home and let these so-called tough women fight this war, they've earned it. More for your noodle...


http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-04-28-female-amputees-combat_x.htm


Have a great day

[gotchagood]

I rest my case.The proof is in the pudding Trish. "Women and children first?" isn't that sexism and misandry against men? Trust me, I can go all night. I rest "my" case as well.


Take care :wink:

[SarahG]

I rest my case.The proof is in the pudding Trish. "Women and children first?" isn't that sexism and misandry against men? Trust me, I can go all night. I rest "my" case as well.


Take care :wink:

In a dire scenario, like a post-apocalyptic world, having more women then men is necessary from a logistical view for species sustainability.

It only takes one fertile (hetero) male to keep a mammal species populated, while it takes more females because they have a more limited window of reproductive ability (the whole biological clock thing), and can only reproduce so quickly within that time (and then there is an assumption that not all of the offspring will survive, so more of them are needed to compensate for that).

But in a world where we have, if anything, global overpopulation- you're right, there is no tangible benefit to saving more of one specific sex when we're dealing with a small scale tragedy like a ship sinking. The whole ship can go down with everyone onboard and it's not really going to make a difference in the global population.

[lochaber]

She made a big stink, got the rules changed and then "quit" that citadel has went to hell since, they started having rapes, pregnancies etc. You don't throw the sheep into a lions den.


Please tell me that I misunderstood this and you didn't just go and blame women for "getting" raped...

[russtafa]

i dont go near them i keep the hell away from them thats why god bless trannys.women are a walking talking problem

[muhmuh]

In a dire scenario, like a post-apocalyptic world, having more women then men is necessary from a logistical view for species sustainability.

It only takes one fertile (hetero) male to keep a mammal species populated, while it takes more females because they have a more limited window of reproductive ability (the whole biological clock thing), and can only reproduce so quickly within that time (and then there is an assumption that not all of the offspring will survive, so more of them are needed to compensate for that).

excuse me for breaking up an otherwise serious discussion (not that i want to insinuate that his posts in any way deserve to be taken seriously) but i found that your post is much more fun to read by imagining you repeatedly losing control over your right arm while typing

[Ben]

There's alot of talk from feminists that women get a raw deal in life and should be given special privileges to compete with men. What do you lot think?

I like Laurie Penny.... She is, well, spunky. And gives an interesting little talk here. One can either agree or disagree -- :)

We Are Not All Feminists | Laurie Penny | Oxford Union

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hdVbP0YhL8

[Sulka_bewitched_me]

Wow, you said alot. Sorry, but I know a many men who are at work getting paid the same amount of money that a woman is, but doing a greater share of the work. He's toting 100lb. boxes and she 25lbs. but yet she's making the same or better. As far as the Muslim faith goes, alot of their laws are to protect women; you just have extremist who destroy the true meaning of the koran and the West that only wants to focus on the negative. I have a friend who works undercover for the Gov. He said that many of the women "choose" to wear the Burca in Afghanistan and elsewhere. As far as women being limited to pastoral/ leading role in the church is all tangible with scripture, Jesus/ God called on men to lead the church body not women. Also, when a woman is pregnant, it's not just "her" body anymore, and this society seems to forget the fact that it takes two and those rights of the father are all "TERMINATED" until it's time to pay CHILD SUPPORT to some bimbo who got drunk and got pregnant and ended up on Maury or one who tried to "trap" her man, or some lush who can't make it in life so she got pregnant to get on welfare!


Have a great day :wink:
I agree with your statement about equal work for equal pay. Funny how as long as the male is lifting/carrying a heavier load women don't seem to have a problem with that (as long as they're both earning the same wage). You seldom see them offer to carry/lift the same load. Here's my favorite: "You're a guy, you're built differently and can carry/lift more". Yea? Then I'm doing more/working harder (physical work) and SHOULD be paid more than her. I also seem to notice more women standing around clucking than I do men. Oh and don't get me started on woman who've recently given birth bringing their baby to the workplace and now all of a sudden every woman in the place stops working and now needs to coo at the baby and have lengthy discussions with the mother. Women do just fine in Western society. The only exception that comes to mind is the career woman who doesn't have a child and devotes most of her time to her career. Those women tend to get the shaft when it comes to pay equity with respect to their male counterparts. I also seem to think a lot of women "forget" about men's rights too as stated by other posters like abandoning ship or during a pregnancy.

[Jericho]

women

Fuck 'em! :shrug

[danthepoetman]

Fuck 'em! :shrug
:iagree:
...as much as humanly possible...

[Prospero]

In response to the OP (and his ilk) ...who i had on ignore for months... i offer this song.

hot legs-Neanderthal man. - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo-JcZPZroI)

[Amy Gray]

In response to the OP (and his ilk) ...who i had on ignore for months... i offer this song.

Seriously, I want to have your babies or pass out trying. Some of the misogynistic comments in this thread make my head hurt.

[danthepoetman]

In response to the OP (and his ilk) ...who i had on ignore for months...
A Republican, I would assume...

[Sulka_bewitched_me]

A Republican, I would assume...

Now,now Dan....try to be the dignified Canadian that you are and refrain from slinging mud at your American brethren regardless of political views. I'm a bit surprised, you usually take the high road in these matters.

[danthepoetman]

Now,now Dan....try to be the dignified Canadian that you are and refrain from slinging mud at your American brethren regardless of political views. I'm a bit surprised, you usually take the high road in these matters.
It's the topic that gets me, Sulka! I take exception of a lot of the feminist babble, which in its most radical form is absurd. The worst part for me, down to the wide pop discourse, is the confusion between social equality and proper identity. The differences between sexes is the most beautiful thing life has produce, and it's as if we were trying our best to destroy it. I'm also very much annoyed by the old ideas of the human being as a tabula rasa, only formated by culture. It's an obsolete perspective completely rejected by the most advanced ideas on society today that is still defended with almost rage by some femininsts.
But then again, I'm as far as possibly imaginable from misoginism. I love women. I think they are the highest form of life on this world! ;) And I do very strongly believe in the rights of women, in social equality, and in the fight women have led to have their rights recognized.
As to my views on American politics, Sulka, you know that Canada is the US twin country. Whatever happen in the US has a huge impact on us. There is more exchanges between Canada and the US than there is between the US and all other countries combined! And there's also enormous family links between you and us. So I think we have to be vocal when it comes to politics in your country, we have to also speak our minds. You know how politics can poison family talks; well, I guess sometimes it does happen between us... :)

[Sulka_bewitched_me]

It's the topic that gets me, Sulka! I take exception of a lot of the feminist babble, which in its most radical form is absurd. The worst part for me, down to the wide pop discourse, is the confusion between social equality and proper identity. The differences between sexes is the most beautiful thing life has produce, and it's as if we were trying our best to destroy it. I'm also very much annoyed by the old ideas of the human being as a tabula rasa, only formated by culture. It's an obsolete perspective completely rejected by the most advanced ideas on society today that is still defended with almost rage by some femininsts.
But then again, I'm as far as possibly imaginable from misoginism. I love women. I think they are the highest form of life on this world! ;) And I do very strongly believe in the rights of women, in social equality, and in the fight women have led to having their rights recognized.
As to my views on American politics, Sulka, you know that Canada is the US twin country. Whatever happen in the US has a huge impact on us. There is more exchanges between Canada and the US than there is between the US and all other countries combined! And there's also enormous family links between you and us. So I think we have to be vocal when it comes to politics in your country, we have to also speak our minds. You know how politics can poison family talks; well, I guess sometimes it does happen between us... :)

Dan, I scold you not because I'm American but because I'm Canadian. I too believe in equality but IMHO I believe some of our maculinity has been taken away and we've been feminized. I've lost count on how many ads I've seen where the ads portray the male in the ad as a complete idiot (while the woman is portrayed as coming to the rescue or showing up the male). I'm sick of those ads. Here's the problem as I see it with a lot of todays women. It's not about equal partnership anymore. Women use sex or their "pussy" to control or even dominate a relationship.

[dderek123]

The Big Lebowski is About (Metaphorical) Castration

...According to Rob Ager's film analysis, this Coen Brothers caper about White Russians and bowling also dabbles heavily in "the decline of the masculine male" ... or, you know, "castration." Say, remember the giant scissors in the Dude's trippy dream?

That's such a recurrent image because all the male characters in this movie have been castrated, in a way. Walter (John Goodman), for example, despite his zeal for firearms and militarism, is still a servant to an ex-wife who has clearly moved on from their failed marriage all the way to Honolulu. Not only is Walter wholeheartedly dedicated to this pathetic role, but any evidence of the contrary -- i.e., his Catholicism -- terrifies him.

That's why he treats his ex's dog better than anyone treats Donny.
The "Big" Lebowski, meanwhile, who clearly likes to present himself as the most powerful man in the movie, is literally powerless from the waist down. He's married to a trophy wife he can't control, is living off an allowance provided by his daughter Maude, and even his prior wife appears to have been the true wealth and power behind the Lebowski fortune. In the original screenplay, his last words after Walter drops him on the floor are "You bullies! You and these women! You won't leave a man his fucking balls!"

Another deleted line had him complimenting Walter's surprisingly shapely legs.
The rest of the men in the film helplessly squabble among themselves, trying to outdo each other's masculinity by urinating on each other's property, brandishing swords and pistols ... or literally threatening each other with castration. Meanwhile, others are so weak that they can prey only on the young and the helpless...

...
In contrast, the women in this film are so powerful that they control the entire story. Bunny's "kidnapping" sets motion to the entire plot, and Maude is the one who helps the Dude solve it. Whether they like it or not. In short, the women in The Big Lebowski are veritable goddesses ...


http://www.cracked.com/article_20497_5-great-movies-with-mind-blowing-symbolism-you-didnt-notice_p2.html#ixzz2XFczIRE6

http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/6/7/4/185674.jpg?v=1

http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/6/6/7/185667_v1.jpg

[danthepoetman]

Good post on the Big Lebowski, Derek. I must admit the movie bored me a little and I didn't take the time to try to understand it. That's very interresting. And there's definitely a social trend there.


Dan, I scold you not because I'm American but because I'm Canadian. I too believe in equality but IMHO I believe some of our maculinity has been taken away and we've been feminized. I've lost count on how many ads I've seen where the ads portray the male in the ad as a complete idiot (while the woman is portrayed as coming to the rescue or showing up the male). I'm sick of those ads. Here's the problem as I see it with a lot of todays women. It's not about equal partnership anymore. Women use sex or their "pussy" to control or even dominate a relationship.
Yes, it's true, Sulka, you told me once that you were Canadian and I forgot. I apologize!
Indeed, publicity in Canada, and in my point of view, especially in Quebec, has become completely crazy about this: total reversal of form, and definitely what they would call "positive discrimination" against men, who are always portrayed as stupid or inept. But women live like men, now, and have the same social rights. It was necessary to get there, and it's a good thing, not a bad one. You have to make your own choices in your personal life, and try to find someone who fills your expectations. There's still complementary relationships out there between men and women. But indeed today, we make the rules between us, we negotiate it, in a way, instead of conforming to old, paralyzing models.

[Stavros]

I have seen The Big Lebowski twice, and the only scene I can remember if when the 'Dude' gets thrown out of a taxi because he doesn't like The Eagles. There is a cynicism in the Coen Brothers films that I cannot always connect to, it is the factor that ruins A Serious Man, while a pervading sense of the ridicule of Scandinavian heritage Dakotans in Fargo falls flat. The only film I can watch more than once is Burn After Reading but that only comes in at 60%.

I don't understand the title of this thread or what its purpose is. There was a book published recently on the End of Men, but I don't think it attracted serious attention.
The End of Men: And the Rise of Women: Amazon.co.uk: Hanna Rosin: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51EM2faOuHL.@@AMEPARAM@@51EM2faOuHL (http://www.amazon.co.uk/books/dp/0670922641)



Meanwhile, the majority of women who are murdered are killed by someone they know, that is chilling enough for me; vide the Homicide Index:
Female victims were more likely than male victims to have been acquainted with the principal suspect (78% and 57% respectively). Female victims were more likely than male victims to be killed by a partner or ex-partner (47% and 5% respectively) but less likely to be killed by a stranger (12 % compared with 27%)...
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/116483/hosb0212.pdf

[Jamie French]

That people think gender is a team they play for is ridiculous enough not to engage with complainers on either side of the hetero normative man/women divide. True meaningful power is in the hands of the individual. If you feel your being slighted as a man, women or any variance of the two, do whatever it takes to fix your specific situation and stop worrying about your perceived tribe. There is no us and them there is only all of us.

[Sulka_bewitched_me]

That people think gender is a team they play for is ridiculous enough not to engage with complainers on either side of the hetero normative man/women divide. True meaningful power is in the hands of the individual. If you feel your being slighted as a man, women or any variance of the two, do whatever it takes to fix your specific situation and stop worrying about your perceived tribe. There is no us and them there is only all of us.

And now.........back to reality

[dderek123]

That people think gender is a team they play for is ridiculous enough not to engage with complainers on either side of the hetero normative man/women divide. True meaningful power is in the hands of the individual. If you feel your being slighted as a man, women or any variance of the two, do whatever it takes to fix your specific situation and stop worrying about your perceived tribe. There is no us and them there is only all of us.

Jamie I like you so much more after reading this post. You got a good head on your shoulders.

[dderek123]

I loved The Big Lebowski. I think I've rewatched it too many times to count. It's really quotable.
But I'm weird like that. I really liked Dumb and Dumber and Super Troopers as well.

[trish]

I watched The Big Lebowski innumerable times and absolutely loved it. Now I know why? Thanks for the enlightening post Derrick.

As to the question, "Is feminism genetic racism?" the answer is clearly "No". Every race has both males and females and everything in between. I assume the OP really wants to ask, "Is feminism sexism?" The answer is again clearly, No, though the question itself suggests a hint of sexism and a whimpering note 'reverse sexism'."

[maddygirl]

Yeah of course feminism is racism. Duh. They're so intertwined.

[danthepoetman]

I watched The Big Lebowski innumerable times and absolutely loved it. Now I know why? Thanks for the enlightening post Derrick.
As to the question, "Is feminism genetic racism?" the answer is clearly "No". Every race has both males and females and everything in between. I assume the OP really wants to ask, "Is feminism sexism?" The answer is again clearly, No, though the question itself suggests a hint of sexism and a whimpering note 'reverse sexism'."
Yes, the question is formulated absurdly -surrealistic construction Breton would love. Of course, you're right, Trish; in fact it almost goes without saying, imo. But I think it would be much more interresting if it was revolving around the type of feminism...