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[rockabilly]

Again , have fun Ms. Danielle. ;)

[BellaBellucci]

This is for the people who want to see and get a kick out of it - if you have an opinion about Maury then start your own thread please.

This is for fans only - thank you

HERE IS A SNEAK PEAK -

http://www.mauryshow.com/vid_player.php?cat=&cid=115627

You restarted this thread because people criticized Maury? It must feel like tiny little daggers through your heart whenever someone yells, 'you're a man!' *sigh* But not only do you condone it, you protect it. I'm disappointed in you. :(

~BB~

[Silcc69]

touch.

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[BellaBellucci]

Difference of opinion = hijacked thread? When did this happen?

~BB~

[AmyDaly]

The hijack comes when she makes a thread to promote her TV Appearance and people turn it in to a debate thread.

Regardless of how you feel about the subject, she made a promotional thread, and it should be kept as that. If you want to make a dicussion thread, make a new one.

[BellaBellucci]

The hijack comes when she makes a thread to promote her TV Appearance and people turn it in to a debate thread.

Regardless of how you feel about the subject, she made a promotional thread, and it should be kept as that. If you want to make a dicussion thread, make a new one.

A debate is GOOD for publicity. If what she's doing is so spectacular she should defend it, not censor her opposition - and reap the benefits of the additional time her thread will sit atop the list.

In short, this has nothing to do with hijacking and everything to do with the schoolyard bully screaming out for help when she starts to feel the blowback. She doesn't want to have the debate because it's one she knows she can't win.

She's a big girl and I have no issue with you, so why are you speaking for her?

~BB~

[AmyDaly]

I'm not speaking for her... I'm just sayin'

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[BellaBellucci]

I am not going to have a debate with you Bella because you are right... You win...

Someone who cries out for trans issues and yet takes off her clothes on the internet...

That's enough for a debate right?

Let's start this...

Apples and oranges. You're talking about a studio audience filled with transphobic cisgendered people and a show that profits from them essentially making fun of you.

In porn we all know what we're getting into and our target audience is those who appreciate us, not those who would ridicule us. People know our niche is out there but people in Maury's audience largely don't care. They just get their jollies from the circus-like environment.

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

Don't call me out Bella - I know just which battles I need to pick and with whom...

I just didn't feel that arguing with another TS was really something I wanted to do in public.

So why did you? I sent you a private message back and yet here you are. I was respectful in that email. That could change if you feel the need to escalate what so far has been a pretty good dialog.

That said, I have to seriously disagree with your first statement.

~BB~

PS: We don't all live in glass houses. Speak for yourself only please. I know what my strengths and weaknesses are and I'm quite content with the speed at which I improve myself.

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[BellaBellucci]

If we must rehash private emails, here is my response:


I'm not being a hypocrite. It's one thing for someone to fight another tranny online on a tranny board and quite another for them to be publicly subjected to ridicule in front of a largely transphobic nationwide audience. I still have to question the exposure you think you're getting. I understand that people who matter don't take it seriously, but then people who matter mostly already know you are and many people who truly care won't be watching. So why haven't any of you gone to Maury and just said simply: maybe it's time to change the terminology. Nobody's born 'a man.' They're born 'male.' Is it really that hard to get them to encourage the audience to use a term like 'ts' or even 'tranny' (if they must) instead of having them shout out 'that's a MAAAN!'

There are lots of shows now that showcase transsexuals and very few girls for them to use. If anybody has the clout to change anything, it's you - which is why I'm so upset about it. You don't really NEED Maury anymore - he needs you. And the fact that he personally knows he's catering to the bottom-feeders proves my point - I don't doubt he's a nice man, but he should be happier to accommodate you given that it's his name on the show and people like you helped make it so popular. I don't see a problem with 'guess the tranny shows' themselves, but I can't stand the attitudes they create in others due to the way they're presented. If he agrees, he should act upon that.

I just wish you would have said what have here in your own thread. I wasn't knocking you for doing any of this. I was pissed because you cried victim instead of defending it. You're not a victim. Many of us are actually concerned about what these shows can do to transgendered people, you included. If I'm guilty of anything, it's caring too much. I don't agree with it, but it's not my life. I didn't really get upset until you started crying hijack. Like you said, I have been on boards for a long time and most people I know would not consider what was done a hijack - merely a difference of opinion, and I didn't start it. All I did was agree with another poster that these shows are questionable at best and you flipped out - which didn't even stop others who also agree.

But if you're going to sit here and call people hypocrite (from which I am the farthest thing), you should understand two things about board posting. First, everyone here already knows you so promoting a show here that is intended (in your view) to bring you new fans is like preaching to the choir - and as you could tell MANY people here dislike what Maury does despite the perceived benefits. Secondly, as I said in one of the threads, if you do still want to promote it here despite that, then some conversation about it is surely not bad for business. The difference is that many people here actually care about you.

You made a comment in one re-thread about 'fans only.' I AM a Danielle Foxx fan and I'm trying to be your friend (you don't make it easy chica)... and that's why it bothers me so much. Despite it all I wish you the best of luck always. Just please take care of yourself out there.

~BB~

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[BellaBellucci]

I am not going to have a debate with you Bella because you are right... You win...

Someone who cries out for trans issues and yet takes off her clothes on the internet...

That's enough for a debate right?

Let's start this...

Apples and oranges. You're talking about a studio audience filled with transphobic cisgendered people and a show that profits from them essentially making fun of you.

In porn we all know what we're getting into and our target audience is those who appreciate us, not those who would ridicule us. People know our niche is out there but people in Maury's audience largely don't care. They just get their jollies from the circus-like environment.

~BB~

Appreciates us ??? In what way? The way that matters or as " taboo "?

You are honestly way too naive for your own intelligence woman...

Some of these guys in here do LOVE us, however it is simply ridiculous to say that they care about who we are as people.

They defend us, compliment us, love us behind the PC screen, however when it comes down to it... They have more issues then we do...

Any Transsexual can tell you this - we all go through it

We are talking about rather or not something so immoral and degrading to trans women should be allowed, correct?

So is it right for me to compare the word shemale to being called a man?

It doesn't matter to me how others see me - it is how I see myself! I am a transsexual woman - transgender - shemale - he-she

I am the alpha and the omega - yin and yang

Oh brother. This isn't about people's private attitudes towards us. Do you not think allowing people to call us 'he' or 'he-she' in PUBLIC is a bad thing? It makes what you're talking about THAT much worse. Do you not see how it objectifies us in the context or the 'real world' and not the 'porn world?' I could also care less about some fans' feelings about transsexuals deep down - as long as they don't act on them in public - which is precisely what happens on Maury and makes others think that's it OK to behave that way in any situation involving a transwoman. I don't care what people call me either - on a individual level - but I don't think perpetuating the stereotype that it's OK to disrespect trannies because we're not really people is right either.

As far as you telling me to write to the producers, what do you think that will do other than waste my time? These people care only about ratings - THAT is their feedback. The only way to change things is for someone like YOU - a frequent GUEST on the show - to demand changes. They're not going to happen because some random tranny writes a strongly worded letter. It's about political clout and as the exploited party on the show, it's clear that they know just how much more they're taking from you than providing. It's not even close to a fair trade.

~BB~

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[BellaBellucci]

I agree with your opinion however criticizing me for my choice to do a national television show for money and exposure is like criticizing yourself for taking off your clothes in a shemale pornographic website.

There is no argument or comparison there...

You're right. There is no comparison. I don't subject myself to taunting for the sake of my career. I'm taking my clothes off in a safe, private location to show my sexuality of which I'm not ashamed to gaggles of horny guys who enjoy the sexual thrill of it ALSO IN PRIVATE. All kinds of guys are into it and I'm glad they are.

If being paraded as a freak on national TV was a prerequisite to this job then I'd do something else, but it's not.

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

I will let Candis Cane do the Real World thing - I will stick to cock sucking for now.

You're so convinced that those two things are mutually exclusive and yet you go on a 'real world' show that exploits you worse than porn in order to promote porn. Interesting strategy.

~BB~

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[BellaBellucci]

Potato Potato Tomato Tomato - Let's call the whole thing off

When I retire or Pull a Nadia Styles then I will commence crying out for salvation.

For now I am just milking the system. And it has worked for me and many other girls as well, just because it doesn't work for you it does not make it wrong...

It's just a different path - maybe a rockier one - But it will all get us to the same place - Nakid in front of a camera wondering how the hell is rent going to be payed because I am too lazy to get a real job

Truer words hath never been spoken. I never disputed them. I just know that if someone doesn't put their foot down on stuff like this it's going to be the year 2020 and there will still be no advancement in the trans community. You might be milking the system as you put it, but I am more concerned about the long term prospects of the porn business and frankly, making transsexuals more socially acceptable is going to make for many, MANY more new and OPEN fans.

I'm sure after the show your site will get boku hits, but can you not imagine how many more it would get if so many guys didn't have to hide the fact that they love 'taboo' trannies? Trust me, the business will not only survive but will thrive without the 'taboo' label.

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

at the end who is the babys daddy.. lol smiling

I am NOT the father of that baby! That bitch was sleeping around. It could have been any one of 20 guys (or trannies - she's a kinky bitch)!!!

~BB~

[rockabilly]

at the end who is the babys daddy.. lol smiling

I am NOT the father of that baby! That bitch was sleeping around. It could have been any one of 20 guys (or trannies - she's a kinky bitch)!!!

~BB~

I am ...

[sexyshana]

I dont see how doing porn is any better than appearing on the maury show.

but thats just me.

[Silcc69]

This thread needs more Hara.

[bte]

I dont see how doing porn is any better than appearing on the maury show.

but thats just me.

+1

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[raybbaby]

WHICH NAKED WHORE IS THE HYPOCRITE ?
Is it me? Could it be? What do you think I'd have to do to make the grade???

[BellaBellucci]

I understand your concern Bella but trans porn isn't really sold as " Look at this hot woman she has a penis " kind of thing... It is more like " Look at this taboo shit - isn't it freaky ? "

It feeds off the feeling of " doing something wrong, naughty and taboo "

I am not saying I am correct for doing these shows but if it wasn't for these shows on television I would have not known what a trans woman was.

Roberta Close was idolized for being a man who transitioned into woman. Not a woman who was born with a penis...

It is an empty argument - and honestly - with all due respect

BITCH I AM TRYING TO MAKE MONEY _ STOP FUCKING WITH MY BILLS !!!

I'll only say one thing: just because something is done a certain way traditionally doesn't mean it can't be changed. Time will tell but I don't really think tranny porn is going to be stuck in 'freakshow' status forever. It's less about the marketing and more about society's changing attitudes. It's up to all of us to precipitate that and as I said before I believe it will greatly increase our fan base (i.e. more guys to pay your bills!).

~BB~

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[rockabilly]

What a woman! She is smart , sexy ... and cooks!

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[bte]

It would seem like Danielle and any other TS being on the Maury show would help TS's (in porn) in general. I didn't know about transwomen until I seen an episode about "Is it a man or woman" on these talk shows. A regular straight guy will look at the shows featuring transsexuals and will become fascinated with them. That same guy will go on the Internet and try to find pictures and will join HA or any other forum. That same guy will pay to see pictures and videos. That same guy will invest in other transwomen for escorting purposes or what have you. All because Danielle chose to appear on the Maury Povich show.

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[BellaBellucci]

Watch the show... I look happy, elegant, cheerful, I have poise and above all... I continue to be a strong woman in the face of adversity. Watch the show you will get a kick out of it.

I saw the promo and I won't argue with that. You look great.

~BB~

[raybbaby]

WHICH NAKED WHORE IS THE HYPOCRITE ?
Is it me? Could it be? What do you think I'd have to do to make the grade???

Ray - shuv your mouth with my empanimas and shut the hell up - cock sucka!
Mmmmm, more Ipanemas! When should I head over? LMAO!

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[BellaBellucci]

You would think that makes sense right?

I didn't say it didn't make sense. I merely pointed out that it's a double-edged sword and there are better ways to go about it.

~BB~

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[BellaBellucci]

Telling the Maury producers off would only sever a long standing relationship with a very nice and generous group of people. Maury is also a really nice guy. He loves my tattoo. He asked for it not to be covered during the show.

Anyway,

I respect your views and many other trans women will agree with you, I respect them as well, however... if you chose to walk on earth as a victim with your head down that is your call...

- Call me a man when I am getting payed to be called a man - I will smile and throw you a kiss

- Call me a man on the street and get ready for some serious ass woopin'

I know... I am a hypocrite - what can I say...

Except that I never said anything about telling anyone off. Activism doesn't have to be confrontational. It can be subtle and gradual. I'm not some hippie waving a banner about 'the corporations, the corporations.' I actually KNOW how the corporations operate and I know that some of what they provide is vital to the way we all live.

And I respect your views as well. I can totally understand the 'getting paid to do something' thing, but I reiterate that it's a short-sighted strategy. To each their own. It'll be interesting to see what happens in terms of acceptance over the next few years as it relates to the porn business.

~BB~

[buckjohnson]

I really see no reason why anyone would appear on Maury Povich show.

[Jericho]

Don't post in this thread if you disagree with (whom/whatever!)
Yah, that'll werk on HA! :lol:

As to the debate which this thread has become, appearing on Maury/Sprnger/Reality TV , i think it's a double edged sword.

(This is *not* a criticism of anybody, i'm not siding with anyone. You've got to do what you've got to do, to do what you do, but...)

If you appear on that type of show, yes, you'll get transsexuals into the public consciousness (maybe even gain a new fan base), but, if you're going to appear on that 'type' of show, don't piss and whine when they refer to you as guys with tits! :shrug

[baileyandkc]

I just like the dog in the avatar!

[raybbaby]

I really see no reason why anyone would appear on Maury Povich show. Free trip to New York, and I'm sure there's some kind of monetary compensation

[Nicole Dupre]

As long as she didn't look like an idiot, I wouldn't care... but I just know she didn't, so I'm sure I don't!!!! lol

Beyond that, I can't think of a more silly debate. She's not even a frikkin' shemale anyway. She's a SEX-CHANGE!!!! LOL

Danielle, why're you making waves for us shemales? How can we defend ourselves properly, when we have someone unable to hang below the skirt or sport a bulge, defending our rights... to be marginalized like any other GG or post-op TS? lol

Seriously, I think anything other than girl, woman, lady, miss, ma'am, chica, mama, bitch, etc is offensive. Sure, I identify with "transgender", but thats's for someone else's convenience. Certainly not mine. Honestly, "trans" my ass. I'm not a fucking car. I'm a girl! lol It's no one's fucking business what state of flux my genitals may be in.

But, since I'm making coin off the thing, why would I care? If GG's can be objectified, so can I. In fact, I'm all for it!!!

I'm apolitical anyway, and I have the right to not give a shit. lol

[BLKGSXR]

WHICH NAKED WHORE IS THE HYPOCRITE ?
Is it me? Could it be? What do you think I'd have to do to make the grade???

Ray - shuv your mouth with my empanimas and shut the hell up - cock sucka!
Mmmmm, more Ipanemas! When should I head over? LMAO!Lucky basterd having a sexy lady make you food :lol:

[phobun]

This thread needs more Hara.
Dude you are a riot! LMAO

[yodajazz]

The truth as I see it, is that no one is better than the other. For it's negativity the Maury show does make a positive statement that no one can always tell the difference between a transexual and a genetic woman. It reaches a very wide audience so maybe a few people will learn. It's always funny to me that someone will be absolutely sure that someone is a transexual and it turns out she was not.

I'm sure that the trans women who appear on the show can use it for a marketing tool. If all trans women refuse to appear on the show would their lot in society be any better? I don't think so. If they all stopped doing porn, would thier situation be better? I doubt it. And those that are stealth don't really improve the status of the community either, since most do not know what they have achieved. But each has their own place. By simply living, they change the world, but not better or worse than another. More whores, less wars, is my motto.

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[yodajazz]

The truth as I see it, is that no one is better than the other. For it's negativity the Maury show does make a positive statement that no one can always tell the difference between a transexual and a genetic woman. It reaches a very wide audience so maybe a few people will learn. It's always funny to me that someone will be absolutely sure that someone is a transexual and it turns out she was not.

I'm sure that the trans women who appear on the show can use it for a marketing tool. If all trans women refuse to appear on the show would their lot in society be any better? I don't think so. If they all stopped doing porn, would thier situation be better? I doubt it. And those that are stealth don't really improve the status of the community either, since most do not know what they have achieved. But each has their own place. By simply living, they change the world, but not better or worse than another. More whores, less wars, is my motto.

Ok so should I address the person who obviously have something constructive to say or someone who needs to be on prozac?

Ummmmmm let me see... Since I feel like I need to be on prozac some days I am not going to pass judgment on Nicole...

....

Peace

I disagree with your assessment of Nichole. I would recommend for her Lorazepam, which is a substitute for Ativan. Sure, Michael Jackson was on it when he died, but I would recommend a lower dosage, say 0.5 MG. The other possibilty would be Wellbutrin. Talk about peace!

[MrsKellyPierce]

I don't know if it's good or bad.

I know I had fun.
I enjoyed the paycheck, the audience, and the free trip to New York :)

[BellaBellucci]

I was called by by Bella and I responded. She provoked me when she took a direct personal stab at me. I responded properly.


Provoked you? 'Direct personal stab?' Hardly.

~BB~

[Nicole Dupre]

Girl, I was defending you and disagreeing with Bella, whether you realized it or not, but attack away. Obviously the misinterpretation, if that's all it was that set you off, has you half way there. The truth will set you free.

[Nicole Dupre]

Yodajazz, you are a secret hater. Fuck off HARD.

[YasminLee]

I had a really good time doing this show and here is why. A free trip for my assistant and I to nyc put up in a nice hotel for the week. I get to meet and mingle with my fellow sisters and they pay me a lot of money. As for the political end of it. Personally yes I do find it wrong for any transgender women to be call a man. Like Danielle said, we are second class citizen and are very low in the radar. Peoples perception of the ts girls are pretty much drag queens and cross dressing, etc. Constantly putting ourself out there lets people know that we do exist. Yes they might think and or call us a man but say that to our face when walking down the street and there we would take a quick second to educate them on the correct terms. this show is not meant to be taken seriously.

[SarahG]

If GG's can be objectified, so can I. In fact, I'm all for it!!!


That's an underrated point. It seems there are a lot of trans people, not so much on this board but I've seen it a lot elsewhere, who yell "treat me like a normal girl damnit!"

..only to get all kinds of pissed off when that actually happens, because they don't want to have to deal with the "bad" stuff that "normal girls" have to put up with. They want to live in an ideal world that doesn't exist, never existed, and quite possibly never will exist.

Demanding trans people be treated better than GG's and being seen the same as GG's, are mutually exclusive situations.

I remember a post a long time ago elsewhere, where a girl who had just gone fulltime was going to the store. She pulled into a parking spot and accidentally cut a guy off in the process. After getting out of her car he confronted her and gave her the "girls are crappy drivers, you all shouldn't be on the road" rant and then walked off. The girl was left stunned, not knowing... if she should be happy for being treated the same... or mad because he just said that women were bad drivers and shouldn't be on the road. So which was it? IMHO both... at the same time.

[yodajazz]

If GG's can be objectified, so can I. In fact, I'm all for it!!!


That's an underrated point. It seems there are a lot of trans people, not so much on this board but I've seen it a lot elsewhere, who yell "treat me like a normal girl damnit!"

..only to get all kinds of pissed off when that actually happens, because they don't want to have to deal with the "bad" stuff that "normal girls" have to put up with. They want to live in an ideal world that doesn't exist, never existed, and quite possibly never will exist.

Demanding trans people be treated better than GG's and being seen the same as GG's, are mutually exclusive situations.

I remember a post a long time ago elsewhere, where a girl who had just gone fulltime was going to the store. She pulled into a parking spot and accidentally cut a guy off in the process. After getting out of her car he confronted her and gave her the "girls are crappy drivers, you all shouldn't be on the road" rant and then walked off. The girl was left stunned, not knowing... if she should be happy for being treated the same... or mad because he just said that women were bad drivers and shouldn't be on the road. So which was it? IMHO both... at the same time.

I agree.

Yodajazz, you are a secret hater. Fuck off HARD.
I'm putting it on my 'to do list'.

[Solitary Brother]

Don't call me out Bella - I know just which battles I need to pick and with whom...

I just didn't feel that " debating " with another TS over what is right or wrong for trans women was really something I wanted to do in public..

I am not crying out and I am definitely not the bully here darling... as a matter of fact I am just a pissed off bitch with a lot of time on her hand and I like to go after idiots and point out the fact that we all live in glass houses.

You want to make a difference? Write a letter to the producers of the show and argue with them about it.

But in any case...here is my logical explination... and not that this will satisfy you, since you seem to have called victory on this one...

HERE IS THE PRIVATE MESSAGE SENT TO BELLA:

Stop being a hypocrite for the sake of arguing girl...

I do this for attention, money, exposure... Even bad exposure is good exposure.

Besides, the people that truly matter watch this shit and laugh.

It is not as serious as everyone thinks.

Maury feeds the minorities. Do you think he agrees with these shows he makes? It is all to feed the disgusting side of these animals who call themselves humans.

I have been doing talk shows for over 10 years. Some of my biggest fans started watching me way back when I was still Holly.

This is for them... not for the people who scream " It's a man "

BTW when the cameras weren't rolling we took photos with the audience members and talked to them - it's all a show for TV

I don't think it sets trans girls any further back then a tranny website called shemaleyum or shemalestrokers or shemale-club

The word SHEMALE is already a slap on the face but we cash in on societies insecurities and inability to treat us like humans...

We are subhuman to them, so... let's take their money right from under their feet and do with our lives what we wish.

Is that satisfactory?

If you want to have an adult discussion about a subject it is best to open up your own discussion and not do it in a thread that is geared for advertisement - you have been around the boards longer then I have. It is not a written rule but you get what I am saying

xoxo
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This might be my most controversial post ever so those who dont like me should not read any further.
I do feel that going on Maury or Jerry IS WORSE than doing porn.
If you do porn only the perverts that watch it are affected and chances are they like watching you.
If you go on Maury most of the people that watch it will NEVER see you in a porn so your exposing yourself to WAY more people.
Everyone knows that Maury Povich and Jerry Springer are garbage and they treat trannies like THINGS.
How anyone can find solace in this kind of exposure is beyond me.
You and others like Vaniity and Mimi continue to feed the negative and disgusting stereotypes that these people want to put out there.
Maury Povich is actually WORSE than Jerry Springer in my opinion and here is where the controversy comes in.

You stated

"Maury feeds the minorities. Do you think he agrees with these shows he makes? It is all to feed the disgusting side of these animals who call themselves humans."

I do think he and Springer and all the rest of them do you know why?
They NEVER EVER EVER have any negative stereotypes or portrayals of Jews.

NEVER.

They CHOOSE to portray transexuals and blacks and poor whites and gays as freaks and baboons but never their own group and this is why I have a problem with them and DONT own a TV.

Your being played big time and the people doing it are making money off you and pretending to be your friend which THEY ARE NOT!

And this extends to ALL parts of the media.
In the porno world you NEVER see jews portayed in a negative way but blacks and asians and latinos are and the people doing it are Jews.

Even Marlon Brando said

In an interview in Playboy magazine in January 1979, Brando said: "You've seen every single race besmirched, but you never saw an [unfavorable] image of the kike because the Jews were ever so watchful for that—and rightly so. They never allowed it to be shown on screen. The Jews have done so much for the world that, I suppose, you get extra disappointed because they didn't pay attention to that."[27]

And its true and I am sick of it.
You being used and you are being made a fool of and I hate it because you think its a fair deal with the persons exploiting you and its not.

Some of on this board are jewish and might be offended by my comments
but it was something that HAD TO BE said.

[BellaBellucci]

As long as she didn't look like an idiot, I wouldn't care... but I just know she didn't, so I'm sure I don't!!!! lol

Beyond that, I can't think of a more silly debate. She's not even a frikkin' shemale anyway. She's a SEX-CHANGE!!!! LOL

Danielle, why're you making waves for us shemales? How can we defend ourselves properly, when we have someone unable to hang below the skirt or sport a bulge, defending our rights... to be marginalized like any other GG or post-op TS? lol


She's already admitted that she did the show for the publicity and the money, not for any political reason. If she thought it would help and did the show to advance a positive agenda for us then I'd be right on board with you.

~BB~

[bte]

If you go on Maury most of the people that watch it will NEVER see you in a porn.

I first got exposed to watching shows like Maury and Jenny Jones. So for you to say that the people who Maury will not watch transsexual porn is a lie. Who knows there might be a guy or two in the audience who likes what he sees. Who sees the beauty in transsexuals and may decide to visit pay sites such as Shemale Yum or go and enroll into woman's solo site.

[Solitary Brother]

As long as she didn't look like an idiot, I wouldn't care... but I just know she didn't, so I'm sure I don't!!!! lol

Beyond that, I can't think of a more silly debate. She's not even a frikkin' shemale anyway. She's a SEX-CHANGE!!!! LOL

Danielle, why're you making waves for us shemales? How can we defend ourselves properly, when we have someone unable to hang below the skirt or sport a bulge, defending our rights... to be marginalized like any other GG or post-op TS? lol

Seriously, I think anything other than girl, woman, lady, miss, ma'am, chica, mama, bitch, etc is offensive. Sure, I identify with "transgender", but thats's for someone else's convenience. Certainly not mine. Honestly, "trans" my ass. I'm not a fucking car. I'm a girl! lol It's no one's fucking business what state of flux my genitals may be in.

But, since I'm making coin off the thing, why would I care? If GG's can be objectified, so can I. In fact, I'm all for it!!!

I'm apolitical anyway, and I have the right to not give a shit. lol


I dont know of ANY girls that have any level of respect for themselves who refer to themselves as "shemales".
That term is a fetishsized version of a transexual thought up ONLY to satiate the sexual appetites of men.
I dont know ANY girls who honestly can say they transition to be that.

[Tara Emory]

Allright. What the hell, I'll chime in.

The ONLY way I would do a Maury or a Jerry Springer show is if somehow I overcame my awful, mouth crippling stage fright I suffer from. I'd do it if my wits were razor sharp and I had some intelligent comebacks to some of the audience comments. I'd love to turn their "freakshow" into a thoughtful debate (and I have a feeling that even those kinds of shows are improving in that arena), but I bet they'd want me to wear my most outlandinsh burlesque get up possible.

I do porn. Pretty weird, crazy kinky burlesque-y porn. For money, and it allows me to eat food and live under a roof. I would not expect to be treated on TV like a normal woman, but I can accept it if they treated me like a normal female porn star. But so much of our society sees us, and well, strippers, dancers etc.. as "damaged goods". In the current model, you either work with that (and get called a hypocrite by the true activists) or you disavow it all.

If you deicde to go into politics or something and then someone digs up one dirty picture of you- well it's all over. But that might be changing. I don't know. But I'm not about to go to one of these serious TG conventions though, since I think too many girls will come down on hard on me for what I do.

A while back I recived some flak from a few of my fans (who were fans, so I don't doubt that they were wanking to my photos), who felt that either my transition was sort of stalled, or that my work was drifting away from "a natural girl in society" to more of some sort of fantasy sex object. This has more to do with the simple fact that I do try to out-do whatever I've done before, which makes just posing naked really boring. Sorry, I'm a porn star (though some people will even debate that, saying that I'd need to appear in x amount of DVD's to be called that).

Anyway, when it came right down to it, it was really one or two fans who had that particular problem. Everyone else thought what I was doing was fine. So it said more about them than me. One of the fans was a TS in progress who had (i think?) had the SRS, so perhaps she was projecting her own uncertainties upon me. I don't know.

I'm not sure what this says about the original post. (I tend to ramble and go off on tangents). I like Danielle a lot and I "got" the tounge-in-cheek irony of her original post. I have no problem with Bella either, and I think if there's any argument here, they're arguing tiny minutia of the same point.

Maybe true hypocrites are only the ones who don't realize they are. When you think you're a hypocrite, you're either concioiusly playing the system or questioning yourself.

-Tara

[Tara Emory]

I dont know of ANY girls that have any level of respect for themselves who refer to themselves as "shemales".
That term is a fetishsized version of a transexual thought up ONLY to satiate the sexual appetites of men.
I dont know ANY girls who honestly can say they transition to be that.

While I will say that I don't want to be called a "shemale" in public (or to my face), I don't mind it used occaisionally. I do like it as sort of a fantasy hybrid sort of term, like "unicorn" or "mermaid". Hey, if the "queers" and "dykes" can take back those terms, so can we.. But yeah, it does apply more to something fetishized (which I don't coinsider all that bad)

Plus I'm making a sci fi porn called "Uranus Needs Shemales" and trust me, there no other word than that fit. All the "trans" words sounded horrible there. "Uranus needs Transgendered women" just doesn't flow off the tounge, does it?

Oops. didn't mean to plug my film there. I have a small cameo role for you Danielle! (wink wink contact me!)

And as far as "shemales" satiating the sexual appeties of men, well it's not just men. I just got back from a fetish weekend in Montreal and realized I had a lot of gg fans as well. A lot more than I thought.

-Tara

[needsum]

I saw the clip, but didn't get to see the whole show. From the clip, it lookd like the girls were having a great time on stage and the audience was having fun as well. I mean, its Maury for fuck sake! Granted, the show didn't move the plight of the transgendered any further along, but just the same, it didn't hurt it any either. I can see both sides of the argument here because both sides have valid points.

Danielle knows what I'm about so I think she can appreciate where I'm coming from in taking her side of things. The girls knew what they were signing up for. They took full advantage of what they were offered, they went out and did an amazing job, reaped the hell out of the benefits, and moved on with their lives. Good for them. The Maury show will NOT be the cornerstone of all things "Shemale" from now until the end of time. this, if anything, will be just one small bump in the road to equality.

We have a black president. We have gay marriage in many states. things are changing. Perhaps that shows like Maury, while demeaning to an extent, may also have some merit. Maybe to those who have never had exposure to a transgendered person, this show will open their eyes and allow them to see that they truly are beautiful women, and not just some sort of over glamourized drag queen "faggots" (excuse the harshness but I needed it to try to make my point). For those who are close minded and unaccepting, Im sure a large majority will either NOT watch, or will have forgotten about it in a day or so.

I'm glad you ladies had fun doing the show.

And Danielle, I'm booking my flight to LA so I can taste what you're cooking up..... :D

[Nicole Dupre]

Seriously, tv mostly sucks anyway. I don't see why any TS would deal with such a dog and pony show without coin being the incentive. Whether Danielle appreciates my opinion or not, I'm all for self promotion. I don't care what they want to hype me as. That's their issue, and I wouldn't take it personally. I'm not a crusader. In a perfect world, I'd be born with a vagina and have gone to law school. Oh fucking well. I'm over those things... for now.

But I'm not pissing away my time publicly agreeing with Danielle again. That, I'm on. She can go back to thinking poorly of me in private.

[yodajazz]

Seriously, tv mostly sucks anyway. I don't see why any TS would deal with such a dog and pony show without coin being the incentive. Whether Danielle appreciates my opinion or not, I'm all for self promotion. I don't care what they want to hype me as. That's their issue, and I wouldn't take it personally. I'm not a crusader. In a perfect world, I'd be born with a vagina and have gone to law school. Oh fucking well. I'm over those things... for now.

But I'm not pissing away my time publicly agreeing with Danielle again. That, I'm on. She can go back to thinking poorly of me in private.


For the record, Danielle said she was not judging you. You were not pissing away your time. Your opinion is a valid viewpoint, that SarahG, myself, and I'm sure others agreed with. I just think that Danielle is through with this debate for now. And by the way, I am not legally allowed to dispense medical advice, so don't take my prescriptions seriously. On the other hand, you are legally allowed to tell people to 'fuck off', however I'm still trying to find out how to do it.

[Nicole Dupre]

For the record, Danielle said she was not judging you. You were not pissing away your time. Your opinion is a valid viewpoint, that SarahG, myself, and I'm sure others agreed with. I just think that Danielle is through with this debate for now. And by the way, I am not legally allowed to dispense medical advice, so don't take my prescriptions seriously. On the other hand, you are legally allowed to tell people to 'fuck off', however I'm still trying to find out how to do it.

Seriously, I have no idea what she's getting at, and I don't care. I supported her for the Maury appearance, and tried to kid around with her. I failed. Oh, fucking well. Beyond that, if she has something to say, she can write or call me. But I think she knows that. However, I'm nor sorting through the infinite nonsense on this forum for her explanation. I doubt I'll be impressed.

And I don't the need your simplistic fortune cookie philosophies. You're as vapid as they come. Maybe it's time for you to awaken your Buddha nature in a cave somewhere. I don't know. But, seriously, just leave me alone. You're a phoney and a 'tard.

[buckjohnson]

I don't even understand the "coin" motivation for appearing on Maury. Seems like the audience for Maury, thus the coin and the associated attention, will be the same cats the girls on the board complain about, the stalkers, losers and the lost and demented souls that make the girls life miserable.

So I don't believe that any attention is good attention. I don't know a single guy that watches Maury, it is not an TIVO event and those that have real concerns and interest about TG's and the lifestyle will not be interested in watching a show in which the audience and potentially the host mocks the lifestyle.

[TsVanessa69]

BELLA - THIS IS A PORNOGRAPHY FORUM

AREN'T YOU PART OF TRANS FORUMS GEARED TOWARD ACTIVISM?

I agree with you, these shows are trashy but you are not someone who should be throwing stones girl...

Once you took your clothes off and posed for a SHEMALE website you became a hypocrite. Like it or not - that is the truth.

I agree with your opinion however criticizing me for my choice to do a national television show for money and exposure is like criticizing yourself for taking off your clothes in a shemale pornographic website.

There is no argument or comparison there...

People agreed for the sake of argument... I bet ya all of the people who don't agree with me will start talking right about now.

Drama attracts drama - and I am not going to do this with you in here - so stop calling me out Mary

I know its not my business, but I have to go with Danielle on this one.
I personally am on both sides of the fence.
I do actvism work for trans rights, and I do porn and I would do maury.
Yes cash in on being a shemale.
Somebody one time told me I took being a transexual as being a job and i only transitioned for the money.
I look at it like this.
We are freaks, fucks, expirements.
Guys on the most do not RESPECT us as woman any way.
So yes, any way I can get exposure and money, I'll do it too.
And I speak and fight for trans rights, because too many girls bitch and moan about not having rights, yet they don't get out and fight and be seen.
So I do BOTH.
I just don't critisize girls for making their money, and getting their 15 minutes of fame, over and over and over again.
Both of you girls do the same thing, just on different levels.
So whats the whole point of even fighting?
Thats the problem with us, too much in-fighting.
Make your money, be proud of you body amd fuck people calling you a man, you know your not, so fuck others opinions.
MAKE THAT MONEY! at the end of the day, our money is our friend!

[BellaBellucci]

Make your money, be proud of you body amd fuck people calling you a man, you know your not, so fuck others opinions.
MAKE THAT MONEY! at the end of the day, our money is our friend!

I agree with this statement on an individual basis, but when it comes to transwomen as a whole I believe the time has come that we got a little respect in the media... and we're starting to do so IMHO, the Maury show is just behind the times. It's possible for them make a show with transsexuals that's profitable without marginalizing them. Allanah's appearances on the show are a perfect example of that.

As far as making that money - porn can be a celebration of sex or a form of exploitation. It depends on the people and scenes involved. The Maury show doesn't pay very well for these appearances and even though the exposure is worth more than the cash, I still think it's much more exploitative than porn because as another poster pointed out - at least in porn we're considered women (for the most part).

I still don't think Danielle is somehow a bad person for going on the show but I do feel it's a little selfish. In fact, I only made a big deal out of it because she attempted to censor any opposing viewpoints on 'her' thread. Our threads don't belong to us - they belong to HungAngels. Really I was protesting for freedom of speech, not against Maury. I don't agree with what Danielle did but I never attempted to censor it.

~BB~