I am not a "birther" or "truther" or dea

[buckjohnson]

But the govt is not always honest. And I kind of like some of the conspiracy theories. Though the collectivism behavior that is required for these theories to be successful is against human nature. Humans mostly function as a solo act. Working together is a social act and against basic human instincts. Unlike Mike, not everybody who believes in one has tinfoil as an appendage, I think a healthy form of skepticism is warranted.

Now, short term, working together as an evildoer might work. But eventually self interests takes over. This is when the secret cabal falls apart. The truth about 9-11 will eventually come out.

Now if I can just find that Kenya BC...and does anyone know how I can join the "death panels". There are some Alaska citizens, ex VP's, Duran Duran members, Michael Jordan (for all the times he beat the Knicks), anybody associated with making that guy from CSI Miami a TV star, etc… that I would like to have an end of life conversation with.

[TJ347]

The sad thing is even though you're telling everyone right here and now, no one will believe you're crazy enough to alert the authorities until you've already done something stupid.

[hippifried]

I have to vehemently disagree that socialization is a clash with human instincts. We're social critters, just like any other pack or herd animal, & there's no evidence that we've ever been anything else as a species. The basic instincts are survival & propagation, & neither is achievable without socialization. We're not endowed with fang, claw, speed, agility, or any kind of exceptional physical strength. Our biggest strength, our intellect, is & has been developed & nutured through our socialization. If we don't communicate ideas among ourselves, we stay stupid.

That said:
There's still enough individuality in the human psyche to make large scale intricate conspiracies extremely difficult if not impossible. The bigger the plot, the more people involved. The more people involved, the harder it is to keep secret. The individuals like to socialize & talk.

So again, all that said:
There's something going on with David Caruso. It has to be a plot. He's gotta go. We're not alone in this. I just googled 'hate david caruso' & got 56,400 results. & I thought Shatner was a ham. The girls can stay. Hotness makes up for lack of talent. But Caruso needs to be buried. I'm willing to join a conspiracy.

[chefmike]

The truth about 9-11 will eventually come out.


Hate to bust your clumsily-contrived conspiracy bubble slick, but....well....actually, it's out, it's been out a while, Lee Harvey....can I call ya Lee Harvey, slick?

Hell, it's been out for quite a dang while now, my patriotically pathological pal... and I mean that only in the best way, ofay....

But all kidding aside....one need only remove one's head from one's posterior to spot it...and apparently that's harder than one might think judging by some of our fellow HA habitues..


http://www.debunking911.com/index.html

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/

I hear tell that they've proved the earth ain't flat either...I'll be danged...

[techi]

Here's a conspiracy for ya:

"a Democratic administration and a Democratically controlled Congress presiding over one of the most regressive wealth transfers in history"
http://www.newdeal20.org/?p=2754

Sweeping problems under the rug is pretty common human behavior(especially for politicians), but in this case unforgivable due to the consequences.

Also, polticians most certainly do conspire... and they sometimes get caught doing it. Nixon-Watergate, Reagan-Iran Contra, Keating 5-S&L crisis.

I agree that conspiracies with too many active players would be messy and difficult to pull off.

But look at control fraud conspiracies that have occured in financial institutions. Only an exremely small handful of people at the top need to actively conspire to gut a company for short term gains. If the CEO and CFO conspire to eliminate quality controls and give employees a perverse set of incentives... the rest will be history. A huge number of employees may end up being unwitting accomplices in the destruction of the company but they really aren't conspiracy insiders.

Likewise, most politicians didn't have to directly conspire with bank executives, they merely needed to deregulate and gut law enforcement. Bush didn't tell the FBI not to investigate mortgage fraud, he just completely destaffed the FBI's financial fraud unit(moved them to terrorism and didn't fund replacements). Bush also had his OCC block state investigations of said fraud.

Despite it's seemingly massive size, the entire fraud could be the conspiracy work of a handful of insiders. And it seems like the fraud is continuing in the form of a bailout/coverup conspiracy.

[El Nino]

lol at those links Chef...

[chefmike]

lol at those links Chef...

Really?

I suppose to a rube like yourself that the factual links that I posted don't have quite the catchy cachet of histrionic prevarication that you and your deluded ilk are used to..... I'm talking about the usual cyberspam propaganda of the typical prisonplant/infowars link that a putz like yourself accepts as gospel, ElNavin...

[El Nino]

Well, if you consider corporate/establishment whitewashing to be factual... I guess you have a point. Keep on cooking up the BS Chef, it is very tasty!

[buckjohnson]

Mike:
No investigation, esp one involving politicians who are used to parsing, misleading, and outright lying, should be considered truthful and complete. And the evil-doers story cannot be completely told until Bin Laden is captured and questioned.

I have done some investigations myself and as a writer I can keep out and put in whatever I want to justify the outcome I want.

I never did this because judges who relied on my reports trusted me that what I wrote was unbiased and not a specific outcome oriented report.

That said, Mike, again I can't say any 9-11 investigation is complete w/o Bin Laden's thoughts.

[trish]

There is a distinction between a complete account and a decisive account. On several points the commission report is decisive. That the twin towers collapsed due to being struck and penetrated by two fully fueled jet airliners is a point on which commission report has encountered no serious contention. Architectural details of the collapse may always be in dispute. But there is no engineering firm, architectural society, or investigation by a professional scientific association that refutes the basic understanding of the commission’s findings. All the noise out there in cyberland to the contrary is the howling of lone wolves running in loose packs.

As to the political motives of the saboteurs we can only have an incomplete understanding. We do know they involved us in two wars in the Middle East that cost the lives of over four thousand soldiers, trillions of U.S. dollars and destabilized our economy. They can surely say, “Mission accomplished.”

[buckjohnson]

TRISH

We do know they involved us in two wars in the Middle East that cost the lives of over four thousand soldiers, trillions of U.S. dollars and destabilized our economy. They can surely say, “Mission accomplished.”


Very wise? That explains the motive. But we cannot say "mission accomplished" yet into the main person is caught. I can't even call the commision report 'decisive'. I am from the East Coast (originally) and very few believe in the national reputation that Rudy has. As such, the commision seem kind of weak in the ? of him. There were alos lots of unexplored reason why the commuications were so poor and the chain of command not followed or not wisley conceptulized.
Finally, while the motive you mentioned above has been realized, we still don't know "why" to many questions, including why Cheney was escorted to a security bunker but not Bush, why so many potential links were not followed up on, and also why can't Bin Laden be found. Aren't you a little curious? I can't even get a good Cuban cigar smuggled in the country, but we can't find the mastermind this act?