I dont get why admirers like TS's to look almost like a real

[indeed]

GG. I dont get it? isnt the attraction that it isnt a girl and that it has a tool? If you want close to real looking why not just go after a real GG? the drama of a TS is far heavier IMO.

I dont know what it is about TS's that i love, but i know i do. I dont bottom. I have rarely sucked, true i dont want a masculine TS but needing to be virtually passable doesnt make sense.

Is because of other peoples perception? If thats the case than isnt that a slight to the TS's?

reaction

[BellaBellucci]

GG. I dont get it? isnt the attraction that it isnt a girl and that it has a tool? If you want close to real looking why not just go after a real GG? the drama of a TS is far heavier IMO.

I dont know what it is about TS's that i love, but i know i do. I dont bottom. I have rarely sucked, true i dont want a masculine TS but needing to be virtually passable doesnt make sense.

Is because of other peoples perception? If thats the case than isnt that a slight to the TS's?

reaction

I'm sorry. I'll try to be more masculine from now on so that chasers will want me.

Some of us just want to be ourselves and not be told how masculine or feminine we're expected to be. What's the point of transitioning if you still let everyone else define you?

~BB~

[rockabilly]

[quote="indeed"]GG. I dont get it? isnt the attraction that it isnt a girl and that it has a tool? If you want close to real looking why not just go after a real GG? the drama of a TS is far heavier IMO.





What do you mean by calling ts "it" ? Sounds like you only see them as sex objects and not people.

[SarahG]

GG. I dont get it? isnt the attraction that it isnt a girl and that it has a tool? If you want close to real looking why not just go after a real GG? the drama of a TS is far heavier IMO.

I dont know what it is about TS's that i love, but i know i do. I dont bottom. I have rarely sucked, true i dont want a masculine TS but needing to be virtually passable doesnt make sense.

Is because of other peoples perception? If thats the case than isnt that a slight to the TS's?

reaction

Not as much as using "it" as a pronoun like that.

[rockabilly]

My point exactly Sarah. No respect

[BellaBellucci]

GG. I dont get it? isnt the attraction that it isnt a girl and that it has a tool? If you want close to real looking why not just go after a real GG? the drama of a TS is far heavier IMO.

I dont know what it is about TS's that i love, but i know i do. I dont bottom. I have rarely sucked, true i dont want a masculine TS but needing to be virtually passable doesnt make sense.

Is because of other peoples perception? If thats the case than isnt that a slight to the TS's?

reaction

Not as much as using "it" as a pronoun like that.

Everything about this guy overwhelmingly says 'troll' to the point that I didn't even notice that. Whoa. Dehumanizing much?

~BB~

[SarahG]

GG. I dont get it? isnt the attraction that it isnt a girl and that it has a tool? If you want close to real looking why not just go after a real GG? the drama of a TS is far heavier IMO.

I dont know what it is about TS's that i love, but i know i do. I dont bottom. I have rarely sucked, true i dont want a masculine TS but needing to be virtually passable doesnt make sense.

Is because of other peoples perception? If thats the case than isnt that a slight to the TS's?

reaction

Not as much as using "it" as a pronoun like that.

Everything about this guy overwhelmingly says 'troll' to the point that I didn't even notice that. Whoa. Dehumanizing much?

~BB~

Sometimes, sometimes using unconventional pronouns I can understand.

If there is one thing that took me a while to notice in trans spaces online, its that its virtually impossible to "always get it right" with pronouns. You can try as hard as you can, and end up offending someone eventually because there's enough people out there who feel "tgirls are a 3rd sex," or that "pronouns shouldn't exist at all," among a huge list of other situations (i.e. andronies, GQ's etc). That's why I try (I don't always succeed, but I try) to use "they" instead of he/she/it in talking about people I don't personally know.

...but in this case none of that really applies.

[indeed]

My use of it was by no means meant to be an insult.

Also I dont question TS's on why they want to be as feminine as possible. i get that.

Nope not a troll either. i post when i am busy on my home computer.

In regards to original post, i have always been curious about this. Yes for me TS's are sex objects. Whether someone takes that as an insult or not thats not on me.

personally i obviously like the feminine nature of a TS but the encounters i have had are usually based on energy between me and the TS. I have never not gotten busy with a TS because she doesnt look exactly like a girl. TS not looking 100% is part of what makes them special IMO

[Alyssa87]

atleast u have a larger demographic to choose from.

[Alyssa87]

and while less passable girls arent usually preferable to most men,
passability is usually inconsequential as long as there are other things that make up for it.

[TheGuard]

Haha

That's funny....true....and sad

Go fuck a CD fella, you're in the wrong place.

[indeed]

atleast u have a larger demographic to choose from.

are you insulted if a guy wants you to be as passble as possible? also would you be insulted if he hide the fact that you are a TS if asked?

i know you want to passable so thats not in the equation

[indeed]

Haha

That's funny....true....and sad

Go fuck a CD fella, you're in the wrong place.
finally an e-thug appears. STFU

[TheGuard]

You're being a contrarian and you know it, just looking for a reaction. If you're into CD's then I understand, but that's a different sexual attraction. Transsexuals are women in mind and soul, and transition their bodies to match. To that end, if your attraction tends towards masculine transgenders then you're not interested in what I would call a true TS, they aren't masculine by design, they're trying to erase that, but some are more successful than others. Some who claim to be TS aren't truly TS, and people are attracted to Transsexuals for various reasons, but masculinity shouldn't be one. Therefore, I surmise that you either are into CDs or you use this as an outlet for your repressed homosexuality, and as a gateway to a beautiful monogamous civil union with a trucker named Chuck.

[Alyssa87]

CONTRARIAN


good one!

[Alyssa87]

atleast u have a larger demographic to choose from.

are you insulted if a guy wants you to be as passble as possible? also would you be insulted if he hide the fact that you are a TS if asked?

i know you want to passable so thats not in the equation

no im not insulted if a guy wants me to be as passable as possible.
and um, i'd be more dissapointed than insulted if he wanted to hide that i'm trans... to important people in his life anyway.

[indeed]

You're being a contrarian and you know it, just looking for a reaction. If you're into CD's then I understand, but that's a different sexual attraction. Transsexuals are women in mind and soul, and transition their bodies to match. To that end, if your attraction tends towards masculine transgenders then you're not interested in what I would call a true TS, they aren't masculine by design, they're trying to erase that, but some are more successful than others. Some who claim to be TS aren't truly TS, and people are attracted to Transsexuals for various reasons, but masculinity shouldn't be one. Therefore, I surmise that you either are into CDs or you use this as an outlet for your repressed homosexuality, and as a gateway to a beautiful monogamous civil union with a trucker named Chuck.
nah. You are just in denial and dont want to come to grips with your reality.

I am personally not into beards. sorry. the TS's I like dont need to look exactly like a girl. if thats the case, why not just go after a girl.

I read where TS's claim to be 100% passable. thats great, thats their trip but why would a guy want one to be 100% passabel? Is it because like you they are ashamed/embarassed/insecure to be OUT with someone who might be looked at as a guy? If a guy is an admirer then it shouldnt matter.

CD's are not quite TS's. What really puzzles me is the guy who wants a post op TS?

Again, I like goodlooking TS's but I have never had sex with one because the TS was or wasnt passable. .

[indeed]

You're being a contrarian and you know it, just looking for a reaction. If you're into CD's then I understand, but that's a different sexual attraction. Transsexuals are women in mind and soul, and transition their bodies to match. To that end, if your attraction tends towards masculine transgenders then you're not interested in what I would call a true TS, they aren't masculine by design, they're trying to erase that, but some are more successful than others. Some who claim to be TS aren't truly TS, and people are attracted to Transsexuals for various reasons, but masculinity shouldn't be one. Therefore, I surmise that you either are into CDs or you use this as an outlet for your repressed homosexuality, and as a gateway to a beautiful monogamous civil union with a trucker named Chuck.

again brains. where did i say masculinity was my attraction? What im saying is that if a guy wants a TS to be 100% passable (impossible BTW) why not go out with a real GG and call it a day? You arent going out with a TS for the ts's feminine qualities, you are going out with one for other factors. One being that its a guy who is a girl (or whatever).

I am curious as to how many admirerers who would tell their work friends, mom, dad etc that their beautiful TS is in fact a TS and not a girl.

If it causes that much drama why not just go after a real GG.

Like i said, TS's are pure sexual for me. i dont hide that as i dont pretend to be with a girl when with one.

[rockabilly]

Maybe they want to look like women because hmm let me think ... they are women.

[BellaBellucci]

Also I dont question TS's on why they want to be as feminine as possible. i get that.


But you forget that so many TS who try be 'as feminine as possible' end up looking like drag queens. 'As feminine as possible' doesn't always equate to 'passable' either.

~BB~

[indeed]

Also I dont question TS's on why they want to be as feminine as possible. i get that.


But you forget that so many TS who try be 'as feminine as possible' end up looking like drag queens. 'As feminine as possible' doesn't always equate to 'passable' either.

~BB~
this isnt from the TS perspective. i get and respect where you are coming from.

I know. i have met guys far more feminine than most Ts's. I also agree, a TS's in jeans and a t-shirt looks more feminine most of the time than one in a dress and heels. However the less is more TS's are few and far between. mostly asian

[BellaBellucci]

again brains. where did i say masculinity was my attraction? What im saying is that if a guy wants a TS to be 100% passable (impossible BTW) why not go out with a real GG and call it a day? You arent going out with a TS for the ts's feminine qualities, you are going out with one for other factors. One being that its a guy who is a girl (or whatever).

You have SERIOUS Foot-in-Mouth Disease.

First: 'impossible?' Since when? There are plenty of girls who you would not be able to 'clock.' Two words: Olivia Love (a good friend of mine). Two more words: Danielle Foxx. Two more words: Kelly Shore. Shall I continue? And that's just the PORN stars!

I don't know about them but I know that I personally struggled with whether or not I even wanted to do porn because frankly I have a regular life in which people REALLY don't know I'm trans and those that do find it inconsequential.

A guy who is a girl? 'Guy' is a gender term - and one for an adult at that. You're not born a 'guy' or even of the male gender - you're born anatomically male and society does the rest.

Just... go away and jerk off to some CGI why don't you? At least CARTOONS aren't real people that you can dehumanize.

~BB~

[Alyssa87]

You're being a contrarian and you know it, just looking for a reaction. If you're into CD's then I understand, but that's a different sexual attraction. Transsexuals are women in mind and soul, and transition their bodies to match. To that end, if your attraction tends towards masculine transgenders then you're not interested in what I would call a true TS, they aren't masculine by design, they're trying to erase that, but some are more successful than others. Some who claim to be TS aren't truly TS, and people are attracted to Transsexuals for various reasons, but masculinity shouldn't be one. Therefore, I surmise that you either are into CDs or you use this as an outlet for your repressed homosexuality, and as a gateway to a beautiful monogamous civil union with a trucker named Chuck.

nah. You are just in denial and dont want to come to grips with your reality.

I am personally not into beards. sorry. the TS's I like dont need to look exactly like a girl. if thats the case, why not just go after a girl.

I read where TS's claim to be 100% passable. thats great, thats their trip but why would a guy want one to be 100% passabel? Is it because like you they are ashamed/embarassed/insecure to be OUT with someone who might be looked at as a guy? If a guy is an admirer then it shouldnt matter.

CD's are not quite TS's. What really puzzles me is the guy who wants a post op TS?

Again, I like goodlooking TS's but I have never had sex with one because the TS was or wasnt passable. .

hm. i think youre looking @ it subjectively. and i guess thats okay, but it limits your ability to see the big picture.--
Which again is okay, especially when this is only a fetish for you.

But by definition, a TS wants her outside to match the inside.
Which usually includes a female soul (believe it or not).

This is of course a long process, and different types of men will be attracted to her thru the different stages of her transition.

You seem to be attracted to a transwoman before she looks female, and thats cool.
But negating other peoples reasons for liking girls at different stages and with different looks does seem to be a bit... contrarian :wink:

[BellaBellucci]

Also I dont question TS's on why they want to be as feminine as possible. i get that.


But you forget that so many TS who try be 'as feminine as possible' end up looking like drag queens. 'As feminine as possible' doesn't always equate to 'passable' either.

~BB~
this isnt from the TS perspective. i get and respect where you are coming from.

I know. i have met guys far more feminine than most Ts's. I also agree, a TS's in jeans and a t-shirt looks more feminine most of the time than one in a dress and heels. However the less is more TS's are few and far between. mostly asian

Natural look? I'm right here honey... but you blew it with me already. Tighten up that game though; someone might be desperate enough to take you. ;)

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

Also I dont question TS's on why they want to be as feminine as possible. i get that.


But you forget that so many TS who try be 'as feminine as possible' end up looking like drag queens. 'As feminine as possible' doesn't always equate to 'passable' either.

~BB~
this isnt from the TS perspective.

PS: I'm TS and that's my perspective. :shrug

~BB~

[indeed]

You're being a contrarian and you know it, just looking for a reaction. If you're into CD's then I understand, but that's a different sexual attraction. Transsexuals are women in mind and soul, and transition their bodies to match. To that end, if your attraction tends towards masculine transgenders then you're not interested in what I would call a true TS, they aren't masculine by design, they're trying to erase that, but some are more successful than others. Some who claim to be TS aren't truly TS, and people are attracted to Transsexuals for various reasons, but masculinity shouldn't be one. Therefore, I surmise that you either are into CDs or you use this as an outlet for your repressed homosexuality, and as a gateway to a beautiful monogamous civil union with a trucker named Chuck.

nah. You are just in denial and dont want to come to grips with your reality.

I am personally not into beards. sorry. the TS's I like dont need to look exactly like a girl. if thats the case, why not just go after a girl.

I read where TS's claim to be 100% passable. thats great, thats their trip but why would a guy want one to be 100% passabel? Is it because like you they are ashamed/embarassed/insecure to be OUT with someone who might be looked at as a guy? If a guy is an admirer then it shouldnt matter.

CD's are not quite TS's. What really puzzles me is the guy who wants a post op TS?

Again, I like goodlooking TS's but I have never had sex with one because the TS was or wasnt passable. .

hm. i think youre looking @ it subjectively. and i guess thats okay, but it limits your ability to see the big picture.--
Which again is okay, especially when this is only a fetish for you.

But by definition, a TS wants her outside to match the inside.
Which usually includes a female soul (believe it or not).

This is of course a long process, and different types of men will be attracted to her thru the different stages of her transition.

You seem to be attracted to a transwoman before she looks female, and thats cool.
But negating other peoples reasons for liking girls at different stages and with different looks does seem to be a bit... contrarian :wink:
No, I like pretty TS's but as i have said there isnt one on the planet who is 100% passable to my eye.

My point was that i dont get guys who want a TS to look 100% passable. It has yet to be explained. this isnt a question for TS's because i get what they are all about. Their mission is to look like a girl.

If a guy wants the supposed 100% passable, why not just get with a ....real effing girl. they want 100% passable for a reason IM. its to hide. nothing more, nothing less. My favorite TS is seren love. You wont get more passable. However when having sex with i never toyed with the idea that it was a girl.

Meghan. Not passable, but great in bed, and great as a person. I never once wished Meghan was more passable

I dont get the guys who want that. I want to get it. i wish someone could be honest, because i think i know the answer but i want to hear it

[tsntx]

GG. I dont get it? isnt the attraction that it isnt a girl and that it has a tool? If you want close to real looking why not just go after a real GG? the drama of a TS is far heavier IMO.

I dont know what it is about TS's that i love, but i know i do. I dont bottom. I have rarely sucked, true i dont want a masculine TS but needing to be virtually passable doesnt make sense.

Is because of other peoples perception? If thats the case than isnt that a slight to the TS's?

reaction

Not as much as using "it" as a pronoun like that.


i was just going to highlight and put the same thing.... but i was gonna add fag on the end lol

[sexyshana]

though I look very much female I love being a transsexual and personally dont want to "pass" through life
I want to live it and and enjoy it.

[BellaBellucci]

I dont get the guys who want that. I want to get it. i wish someone could be honest, because i think i know the answer but i want to hear it

It's the dick. Feel better now?

~BB~

[indeed]

Also I dont question TS's on why they want to be as feminine as possible. i get that.


But you forget that so many TS who try be 'as feminine as possible' end up looking like drag queens. 'As feminine as possible' doesn't always equate to 'passable' either.

~BB~
this isnt from the TS perspective. i get and respect where you are coming from.

I know. i have met guys far more feminine than most Ts's. I also agree, a TS's in jeans and a t-shirt looks more feminine most of the time than one in a dress and heels. However the less is more TS's are few and far between. mostly asian

Natural look? I'm right here honey... but you blew it with me already. Tighten up that game though; someone might be desperate enough to take you. ;)

~BB~

Again im not looking to be taken. i am only interested in sex. For me real GG's are what i roll with TS's are just helluva fun.

Plus I know why TS's want to look 100%. Just like i know why CD's just want to look fem

[BellaBellucci]

Again im not looking to be taken. i am only interested in sex. For me real GG's are what i roll with TS's are just helluva fun.

Plus I know why TS's want to look 100%. Just like i know why CD's just want to look fem

'Helluva fun?' I gotta know: are you a top or a bottom?

~BB~

[Alyssa87]

he said he's a top.

[menacingmethods86]

and while less passable girls arent usually preferable to most men,
passability is usually inconsequential as long as there are other things that make up for it.

like a big penis?

[Alyssa87]

like a big penis

[BellaBellucci]

he said he's a top.

Natch. So he's here because he likes to fuck ass and figures trannies are anal-easy. See? And THAT is another good reason why I've been hesitant to bottom.

Misogynistic asshole.

~BB~

[indeed]

he said he's a top.
I am assuming thats you in your av. 1st off pics are easy to look passable, however dont you think guys who want 100% passable is because they are trying to hide the fact that you are a TS (not you in particular). i am convinced thats the case so isnt that a bit of a slap to TS's? where a guy like me who doesnt need 100% has no problem admitting that its only about the sex and admit i wouldnt go out in public with a TS regardless of how the TS looked.

I am an admirer and treat TS's when with them with all the respect.

[Dirky]

I prefer my girls to have a passibility ratio of 95 to 96.5 %. If she has a nice personality, I will go as low as a 93 or 94%. If I haven't been laid in awhile, I'll accept a girl in the high 80's.

Percentages are very important in these matters.

[indeed]

he said he's a top.

Natch. So he's here because he likes to fuck ass and figures trannies are anal-easy. See? And THAT is another good reason why I've been hesitant to bottom.

Misogynistic asshole.

~BB~
I love to eat the right ts's ass for what its worth. i like to kiss etc. i am a bit more than just fucking. have plenty of times just stroked each other. there is something about being with a TS that i love. in goes in spurts but its fun nontheless

[indeed]

I prefer my girls to have a passibility ratio of 95 to 96.5 %. If she has a nice personality, I will go as low as a 93 or 94%. If I haven't been laid in awhile, I'll accept a girl in the high 80's.

Percentages are very important in these matters.

if you were to go out in public possibly seeing your friends /co-workers etc.

Would you take a less attractive GG or a very pretty TS

[muhmuh]

Misogynistic asshole.

i think hes just trying to help
you know help you find god through anal sex like that ballet woman
hes a real samaritan that way

[BellaBellucci]

he said he's a top.

Natch. So he's here because he likes to fuck ass and figures trannies are anal-easy. See? And THAT is another good reason why I've been hesitant to bottom.

Misogynistic asshole.

~BB~
I love to eat the right ts's ass for what its worth. i like to kiss etc. i am a bit more than just fucking. have plenty of times just stroked each other. there is something about being with a TS that i love. in goes in spurts but its fun nontheless

Ahh. Now you're a romantic? LMFAO!

I'm sure you just wuuuv your wiiiittle TS 'guy, girl, or whatever.' How cute. You don't want to respect a transwoman as a human being but you want to make love to 'it.' Nice. Inconsistency FTW!

~BB~

PS: You'd better bring a better story next time. Some of us around here have a reputation for not taking any shit from trolls.

[Dirky]

if you were to go out in public possibly seeing your friends /co-workers etc.

Would you take a less attractive GG or a very pretty TS

Either one works for me. Most of my friends are open-minded enough and I don't really care what my co-workers might think.

[Alyssa87]

he said he's a top.
I am assuming thats you in your av. 1st off pics are easy to look passable, however dont you think guys who want 100% passable is because they are trying to hide the fact that you are a TS (not you in particular). i am convinced thats the case so isnt that a bit of a slap to TS's? where a guy like me who doesnt need 100% has no problem admitting that its only about the sex and admit i wouldnt go out in public with a TS regardless of how the TS looked.

I am an admirer and treat TS's when with them with all the respect.

I havent given much thought to why a man wants a chick 100% passable.
I dont care. I'm sure there are many different reasons. Your surmising i'm sure exists out there.
But i'm sorry youre hung up on it.

It could be a slap in the face, but i'd be willing to work with a man thats hesitant to announce my T to important people in his life if he's good to me and for me.

However, i avoid men like you at all costs. Since its only about the sex.
I applaud your honesty about it on a porn forum tho.

[rockabilly]

What a D-Bag.

[tsntx]

i dont get why admierer of ts's that are this brain dead feel like they need to converse w/ people

[BellaBellucci]

It could be a slap in the face, but i'd be willing to work with a man thats hesitant to announce my T to important people in his life if he's good to me and for me.

Co-sign. Unless he's HIDING you. That's the line.

~BB~

[ScottyBabe]

GG. I dont get it? isnt the attraction that it isnt a girl and that it has a tool? If you want close to real looking why not just go after a real GG? the drama of a TS is far heavier IMO.

I dont know what it is about TS's that i love, but i know i do. I dont bottom. I have rarely sucked, true i dont want a masculine TS but needing to be virtually passable doesnt make sense.

Is because of other peoples perception? If thats the case than isnt that a slight to the TS's?

reaction

generally speaking, isn't this question unanswerable? different strokes for different folks, that's what makes us interesting. too specific an answer will lead some people to disagree and offer something else into the pot, leading to an endless supply of possible answers. are you not just better saying to yourself that you like TS's and it's not of great importance to you that they are "100% passable". only that they don't look like lumberjacks, nor a GG and that they have a cock?

ask yourself, "would i go for a masculine female?"

if it's a no, then your probably just a cockhound in denial....

[BellaBellucci]

he said he's a top.
I am assuming thats you in your av. 1st off pics are easy to look passable, however dont you think guys who want 100% passable is because they are trying to hide the fact that you are a TS (not you in particular). i am convinced thats the case so isnt that a bit of a slap to TS's? where a guy like me who doesnt need 100% has no problem admitting that its only about the sex and admit i wouldnt go out in public with a TS regardless of how the TS looked.

I am an admirer and treat TS's when with them with all the respect.

Alyssa's adorable. I don't think I'd go there if I were you.

~BB~

[Alyssa87]

he said he's a top.
I am assuming thats you in your av. 1st off pics are easy to look passable, however dont you think guys who want 100% passable is because they are trying to hide the fact that you are a TS (not you in particular). i am convinced thats the case so isnt that a bit of a slap to TS's? where a guy like me who doesnt need 100% has no problem admitting that its only about the sex and admit i wouldnt go out in public with a TS regardless of how the TS looked.

I am an admirer and treat TS's when with them with all the respect.

Alyssa's adorable. I don't think I'd go there if I were you.

~BB~

its cool. i'm not doing another AmericanDream post.


indeed, proceed to GO THERE, questioning her passability is every girls' favorite topic of discussion :roll:

[Alyssa87]

It could be a slap in the face, but i'd be willing to work with a man thats hesitant to announce my T to important people in his life if he's good to me and for me.

Co-sign. Unless he's HIDING you. That's the line.

~BB~

A man that looking to hide me wont get a first date with me.

But i wouldnt bring a man around my friends and family until its serious.
I wouldnt expect him to. and when he does i dont expect him to announce my T.

[muhmuh]

My point was that i dont get guys who want a TS to look 100% passable. It has yet to be explained.

how about because theyre into girls and not just cock as you seem to be at the very least in the eyes of a certain texan girl that has an unhealthy obsession with cigarettes


however dont you think guys who want 100% passable is because they are trying to hide the fact that you are a TS

isnt that a bit of a slap to TS's?

i wouldnt go out in public with a TS regardless of how the TS looked.

so how exactly is wanting a passable girl more of a slap in the face than completely hiding you obession with cock from the outside world?

[indeed]

My point was that i dont get guys who want a TS to look 100% passable. It has yet to be explained.

how about because theyre into girls and not just cock as you seem to be at the very least in the eyes of a certain texan girl that has an unhealthy obsession with cigarettes


however dont you think guys who want 100% passable is because they are trying to hide the fact that you are a TS

isnt that a bit of a slap to TS's?

i wouldnt go out in public with a TS regardless of how the TS looked.

so how exactly is wanting a passable girl more of a slap in the face than completely hiding you obession with cock from the outside world?
no b/c im not trying to kid anyone.

I was just wondering. Its a MB. STFU.

[BellaBellucci]

My point was that i dont get guys who want a TS to look 100% passable. It has yet to be explained.

how about because theyre into girls and not just cock as you seem to be at the very least in the eyes of a certain texan girl that has an unhealthy obsession with cigarettes


however dont you think guys who want 100% passable is because they are trying to hide the fact that you are a TS

isnt that a bit of a slap to TS's?

i wouldnt go out in public with a TS regardless of how the TS looked.

so how exactly is wanting a passable girl more of a slap in the face than completely hiding you obession with cock from the outside world?
no b/c im not trying to kid anyone.

I was just wondering. Its a MB. STFU.

... are you still here? :roll:

~BB~

[indeed]

he said he's a top.
I am assuming thats you in your av. 1st off pics are easy to look passable, however dont you think guys who want 100% passable is because they are trying to hide the fact that you are a TS (not you in particular). i am convinced thats the case so isnt that a bit of a slap to TS's? where a guy like me who doesnt need 100% has no problem admitting that its only about the sex and admit i wouldnt go out in public with a TS regardless of how the TS looked.

I am an admirer and treat TS's when with them with all the respect.

Alyssa's adorable. I don't think I'd go there if I were you.

~BB~

its cool. i'm not doing another AmericanDream post.


indeed, proceed to GO THERE, questioning her passability is every girls' favorite topic of discussion :roll:
Go where. By your pic you are very attractive. it was compliment that you are one of the lucky ones. i get that TS's want to look female. i am not wondering that. So for someone like you by your pic you win that battle.

I also appreciate that you dont want to be hidden. even though you cant really answer my question I respect the fact that you wont let someone
"fake' you around. props

Scotty babe (or whatever)- Its funny, i love muscle chics similar to the reasons I like TS's. its more than a novelty but its more for diiference.


like everyone I prefer ts's to be pretty and femme, my question was why do guys need their TS to be passable to a point of not being checked.

[indeed]

My point was that i dont get guys who want a TS to look 100% passable. It has yet to be explained.

how about because theyre into girls and not just cock as you seem to be at the very least in the eyes of a certain texan girl that has an unhealthy obsession with cigarettes


however dont you think guys who want 100% passable is because they are trying to hide the fact that you are a TS

isnt that a bit of a slap to TS's?

i wouldnt go out in public with a TS regardless of how the TS looked.

so how exactly is wanting a passable girl more of a slap in the face than completely hiding you obession with cock from the outside world?
no b/c im not trying to kid anyone.

I was just wondering. Its a MB. STFU.

... are you still here? :roll:

~BB~
Dont go into thread you dont want to be part of.

Also to the poster who said i am calling out a TS's passability. Huh? i am calling out the guy who wants his TS to look like a girl w/out pause.

[BellaBellucci]

Dont go into thread you dont want to be part of.


You're not getting away that easily. Don't get it twisted. 8)

~BB~

[ScottyBabe]

he said he's a top.
I am assuming thats you in your av. 1st off pics are easy to look passable, however dont you think guys who want 100% passable is because they are trying to hide the fact that you are a TS (not you in particular). i am convinced thats the case so isnt that a bit of a slap to TS's? where a guy like me who doesnt need 100% has no problem admitting that its only about the sex and admit i wouldnt go out in public with a TS regardless of how the TS looked.

I am an admirer and treat TS's when with them with all the respect.

Alyssa's adorable. I don't think I'd go there if I were you.

~BB~

its cool. i'm not doing another AmericanDream post.


indeed, proceed to GO THERE, questioning her passability is every girls' favorite topic of discussion :roll:
Go where. By your pic you are very attractive. it was compliment that you are one of the lucky ones. i get that TS's want to look female. i am not wondering that. So for someone like you by your pic you win that battle.

I also appreciate that you dont want to be hidden. even though you cant really answer my question I respect the fact that you wont let someone
"fake' you around. props

Scotty babe (or whatever)- Its funny, i love muscle chics similar to the reasons I like TS's. its more than a novelty but its more for diiference.


like everyone I prefer ts's to be pretty and femme, my question was why do guys need their TS to be passable to a point of not being checked.

fair do's mate.

the guys that want their TS's to be "passable" want it to be so because they're so insecure with their own desires and what other people think of them that they hide. hopefully the chick tells him to get to fuck cause he ain't worth the bother.

[indeed]

he said he's a top.
I am assuming thats you in your av. 1st off pics are easy to look passable, however dont you think guys who want 100% passable is because they are trying to hide the fact that you are a TS (not you in particular). i am convinced thats the case so isnt that a bit of a slap to TS's? where a guy like me who doesnt need 100% has no problem admitting that its only about the sex and admit i wouldnt go out in public with a TS regardless of how the TS looked.

I am an admirer and treat TS's when with them with all the respect.

Alyssa's adorable. I don't think I'd go there if I were you.

~BB~

its cool. i'm not doing another AmericanDream post.


indeed, proceed to GO THERE, questioning her passability is every girls' favorite topic of discussion :roll:
Go where. By your pic you are very attractive. it was compliment that you are one of the lucky ones. i get that TS's want to look female. i am not wondering that. So for someone like you by your pic you win that battle.

I also appreciate that you dont want to be hidden. even though you cant really answer my question I respect the fact that you wont let someone
"fake' you around. props

Scotty babe (or whatever)- Its funny, i love muscle chics similar to the reasons I like TS's. its more than a novelty but its more for diiference.



like everyone I prefer ts's to be pretty and femme, my question was why do guys need their TS to be passable to a point of not being checked.

fair do's mate.

the guys that want their TS's to be "passable" want it to be so because they're so insecure with their own desires and what other people think of them that they hide. hopefully the chick tells him to get to fuck cause he ain't worth the bother.
you da man. I fall into that category in the sense that i only like to fuck around with TS's behind closed doors, but I also dont make it a secret.

[ScottyBabe]

he said he's a top.
I am assuming thats you in your av. 1st off pics are easy to look passable, however dont you think guys who want 100% passable is because they are trying to hide the fact that you are a TS (not you in particular). i am convinced thats the case so isnt that a bit of a slap to TS's? where a guy like me who doesnt need 100% has no problem admitting that its only about the sex and admit i wouldnt go out in public with a TS regardless of how the TS looked.

I am an admirer and treat TS's when with them with all the respect.

Alyssa's adorable. I don't think I'd go there if I were you.

~BB~

its cool. i'm not doing another AmericanDream post.


indeed, proceed to GO THERE, questioning her passability is every girls' favorite topic of discussion :roll:
Go where. By your pic you are very attractive. it was compliment that you are one of the lucky ones. i get that TS's want to look female. i am not wondering that. So for someone like you by your pic you win that battle.

I also appreciate that you dont want to be hidden. even though you cant really answer my question I respect the fact that you wont let someone
"fake' you around. props

Scotty babe (or whatever)- Its funny, i love muscle chics similar to the reasons I like TS's. its more than a novelty but its more for diiference.



like everyone I prefer ts's to be pretty and femme, my question was why do guys need their TS to be passable to a point of not being checked.

fair do's mate.

the guys that want their TS's to be "passable" want it to be so because they're so insecure with their own desires and what other people think of them that they hide. hopefully the chick tells him to get to fuck cause he ain't worth the bother.


you da man. I fall into that category in the sense that i only like to fuck around with TS's behind closed doors, but I also dont make it a secret.

surely that's a contradiction?

[Ryz]

hay guiz pretty cool thread yea got here

[indeed]

he said he's a top.
I am assuming thats you in your av. 1st off pics are easy to look passable, however dont you think guys who want 100% passable is because they are trying to hide the fact that you are a TS (not you in particular). i am convinced thats the case so isnt that a bit of a slap to TS's? where a guy like me who doesnt need 100% has no problem admitting that its only about the sex and admit i wouldnt go out in public with a TS regardless of how the TS looked.

I am an admirer and treat TS's when with them with all the respect.

Alyssa's adorable. I don't think I'd go there if I were you.

~BB~

its cool. i'm not doing another AmericanDream post.


indeed, proceed to GO THERE, questioning her passability is every girls' favorite topic of discussion :roll:
Go where. By your pic you are very attractive. it was compliment that you are one of the lucky ones. i get that TS's want to look female. i am not wondering that. So for someone like you by your pic you win that battle.

I also appreciate that you dont want to be hidden. even though you cant really answer my question I respect the fact that you wont let someone
"fake' you around. props

Scotty babe (or whatever)- Its funny, i love muscle chics similar to the reasons I like TS's. its more than a novelty but its more for diiference.



like everyone I prefer ts's to be pretty and femme, my question was why do guys need their TS to be passable to a point of not being checked.

fair do's mate.

the guys that want their TS's to be "passable" want it to be so because they're so insecure with their own desires and what other people think of them that they hide. hopefully the chick tells him to get to fuck cause he ain't worth the bother.


you da man. I fall into that category in the sense that i only like to fuck around with TS's behind closed doors, but I also dont make it a secret.

surely that's a contradiction?

true, but it has never been a secret to who i am fucking. When I am with a TS i dont think for a second that they are a GG nor do i expect them to be anyone other than who they are. its just about the harcore sex.

Plus i have made it clear in the past to TS's that i have no interest in anything beyond the bedroom walls. So yes it is my secret, but i am not trying to fool anyone with my intentions

[ScottyBabe]

he said he's a top.
I am assuming thats you in your av. 1st off pics are easy to look passable, however dont you think guys who want 100% passable is because they are trying to hide the fact that you are a TS (not you in particular). i am convinced thats the case so isnt that a bit of a slap to TS's? where a guy like me who doesnt need 100% has no problem admitting that its only about the sex and admit i wouldnt go out in public with a TS regardless of how the TS looked.

I am an admirer and treat TS's when with them with all the respect.

Alyssa's adorable. I don't think I'd go there if I were you.

~BB~

its cool. i'm not doing another AmericanDream post.


indeed, proceed to GO THERE, questioning her passability is every girls' favorite topic of discussion :roll:
Go where. By your pic you are very attractive. it was compliment that you are one of the lucky ones. i get that TS's want to look female. i am not wondering that. So for someone like you by your pic you win that battle.

I also appreciate that you dont want to be hidden. even though you cant really answer my question I respect the fact that you wont let someone
"fake' you around. props

Scotty babe (or whatever)- Its funny, i love muscle chics similar to the reasons I like TS's. its more than a novelty but its more for diiference.



like everyone I prefer ts's to be pretty and femme, my question was why do guys need their TS to be passable to a point of not being checked.

fair do's mate.

the guys that want their TS's to be "passable" want it to be so because they're so insecure with their own desires and what other people think of them that they hide. hopefully the chick tells him to get to fuck cause he ain't worth the bother.


you da man. I fall into that category in the sense that i only like to fuck around with TS's behind closed doors, but I also dont make it a secret.

surely that's a contradiction?

true, but it has never been a secret to who i am fucking. When I am with a TS i dont think for a second that they are a GG nor do i expect them to be anyone other than who they are. its just about the harcore sex.

Plus i have made it clear in the past to TS's that i have no interest in anything beyond the bedroom walls. So yes it is my secret, but i am not trying to fool anyone with my intentions

well, if your comfortable with the way you do things, then who gives a fuck about the way other guys do their things? it's their loss at the end of the day!

[AmericanDream]

Not everyone's the same way you fool. How old are you, 5? You certainly think like one.

Some admirers like them to have more manly qualities and some want them more lady-like.

[indeed]

he said he's a top.
I am assuming thats you in your av. 1st off pics are easy to look passable, however dont you think guys who want 100% passable is because they are trying to hide the fact that you are a TS (not you in particular). i am convinced thats the case so isnt that a bit of a slap to TS's? where a guy like me who doesnt need 100% has no problem admitting that its only about the sex and admit i wouldnt go out in public with a TS regardless of how the TS looked.

I am an admirer and treat TS's when with them with all the respect.

Alyssa's adorable. I don't think I'd go there if I were you.

~BB~

its cool. i'm not doing another AmericanDream post.


indeed, proceed to GO THERE, questioning her passability is every girls' favorite topic of discussion :roll:
Go where. By your pic you are very attractive. it was compliment that you are one of the lucky ones. i get that TS's want to look female. i am not wondering that. So for someone like you by your pic you win that battle.

I also appreciate that you dont want to be hidden. even though you cant really answer my question I respect the fact that you wont let someone
"fake' you around. props

Scotty babe (or whatever)- Its funny, i love muscle chics similar to the reasons I like TS's. its more than a novelty but its more for diiference.



like everyone I prefer ts's to be pretty and femme, my question was why do guys need their TS to be passable to a point of not being checked.

fair do's mate.

the guys that want their TS's to be "passable" want it to be so because they're so insecure with their own desires and what other people think of them that they hide. hopefully the chick tells him to get to fuck cause he ain't worth the bother.


you da man. I fall into that category in the sense that i only like to fuck around with TS's behind closed doors, but I also dont make it a secret.

surely that's a contradiction?

true, but it has never been a secret to who i am fucking. When I am with a TS i dont think for a second that they are a GG nor do i expect them to be anyone other than who they are. its just about the harcore sex.

Plus i have made it clear in the past to TS's that i have no interest in anything beyond the bedroom walls. So yes it is my secret, but i am not trying to fool anyone with my intentions

well, if your comfortable with the way you do things, then who gives a fuck about the way other guys do their things? it's their loss at the end of the day!
i have always wondered. I know why guys like me screw around with TS's
Have always wondered where the other admirers are cming from

[BellaBellucci]

Not everyone's the same way you fool. How old are you, 5? You certainly think like one.

Some admirers like them to have more manly qualities and some want them more lady-like.

Nice avatar. You must be a real expert on how to deal with transwomen since you did so well with her. ;)

~BB~

[peggygee]

Indeed, I don't know you from a can of paint, but I have to say I thank
God, my Momma, myself, my therapist, and my surgeons, that I am post
op, have ecellent self-esteem and will never be behind closed doors with
you and Lord willing ever have to have another conversation beyond this
one with you.

You allege that you are not transphobic but that others are, but from what
I have read in this thread you are the epitome of transphobia and misogyny.

In all honesty I believe the reason that you "allegedely" do not
discriminate against a woman because of her looks is not because "it's"
just a sex thing to you.

But rather I get the sense it's because you are dealig with women who
are either very young, have low self-esteem, or are new to transitioning
and feel that they have to settle for the disrespect you heap upon them.

Because in all honesty, no self respecting woman, trans or natal would
tolerate your behavior.

[BellaBellucci]

Indeed, I don't know you from a can of paint, but I have to say I thank
God, my Momma, myself, my therapist, and my surgeons, that I am post
op, have ecellent self-esteem and will never be behind closed doors with
you and Lord willing ever have to have another conversation beyond this
one with you.

You allege that you are not transphobic but that others are, but from what
I have read in this thread you are the epitome of transphobia and misogyny.

In all honesty I believe the reason that you "allegedely" do not
discriminate against a woman because of her looks is not because "it's"
just a sex thing to you.

But rather I get the sense it's because you are dealig with women who
are either very young, have low self-esteem, or are new to transitioning
and feel that they have to settle for the disrespect you heap upon them.

Because in all honesty, no self respecting woman, trans or natal would
tolerate your behavior.

Ouch. This is gonna leave a mark.

~BB~

[Teydyn]

Off-Topic:
Can you please please please do NOT do the quote-block of death? 1 line answer below 2 screens full of quote is quite annoying.

[indeed]

Indeed, I don't know you from a can of paint, but I have to say I thank
God, my Momma, myself, my therapist, and my surgeons, that I am post
op, have ecellent self-esteem and will never be behind closed doors with
you and Lord willing ever have to have another conversation beyond this
one with you.

You allege that you are not transphobic but that others are, but from what
I have read in this thread you are the epitome of transphobia and misogyny.

In all honesty I believe the reason that you "allegedely" do not
discriminate against a woman because of her looks is not because "it's"
just a sex thing to you.

But rather I get the sense it's because you are dealig with women who
are either very young, have low self-esteem, or are new to transitioning
and feel that they have to settle for the disrespect you heap upon them.

Because in all honesty, no self respecting woman, trans or natal would
tolerate your behavior.
No I dont allege that i am not transphobic. I dont know what you call a guy who only likes sex with TS's. Dont care. My wonder was why guys want a TS to be 100% passable. dont worry about the girls i date. They are cool. proffesional, stable etc. TS's are an outlet, maybe a vice. regardless i try not to think too much about it rather just enjoy it. I have gone years w/out even thinking of screwing a TS and i have gone weeks fiending for one.

LOL at being Post Op and having no issues.

anyway, dont take ish so personal. i embrace the TS nation. Love screwing them and love admiring them.

[BellaBellucci]

No I dont allege that i am not transphobic. I dont know what you call a guy who only likes sex with TS's. Dont care. My wonder was why guys want a TS to be 100% passable. dont worry about the girls i date. They are cool. proffesional, stable etc. TS's are an outlet, maybe a vice. regardless i try not to think too much about it rather just enjoy it. I have gone years w/out even thinking of screwing a TS and i have gone weeks fiending for one.

LOL at being Post Op and having no issues.

anyway, dont take ish so personal. i embrace the TS nation. Love screwing them and love admiring them.

Please do continue to dig that hole deeper. I love watching natural selection at work. :)

~BB~

[muhmuh]

...

need i remind you that you were nominated for sweetest girl on ha a few days ago? http://www.metal1.info/vb/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[peggygee]

...

need i remind you that you were nominated for sweetest girl on ha a few days ago? http://www.metal1.info/vb/images/smilies/tongue.gif

But take note, I kept it civil, got my point across, no "F" bombs, no
profanities and I don't take anything the OP said personally or to heart.

That's what good self-esteem will do for ya. 8)

Which isn't to say I can't / don't / or won't take it to the next level, but
for the most part that's not my steelo on the Net or IRL.

[TsVanessa69]

and while less passable girls arent usually preferable to most men,
passability is usually inconsequential as long as there are other things that make up for it.
I'm not totally passable, I look like a transexual and I attract more men than I can handle sometimes.
I don't mind the fact that I don't look a GG.

[peggygee]

Indeed, I don't know you from a can of paint, but I have to say I thank
God, my Momma, myself, my therapist, and my surgeons, that I am post
op, have ecellent self-esteem and will never be behind closed doors with
you and Lord willing ever have to have another conversation beyond this
one with you.

You allege that you are not transphobic but that others are, but from what
I have read in this thread you are the epitome of transphobia and misogyny.

In all honesty I believe the reason that you "allegedely" do not
discriminate against a woman because of her looks is not because "it's"
just a sex thing to you.

But rather I get the sense it's because you are dealig with women who
are either very young, have low self-esteem, or are new to transitioning
and feel that they have to settle for the disrespect you heap upon them.

Because in all honesty, no self respecting woman, trans or natal would
tolerate your behavior.

Ouch. This is gonna leave a mark.

~BB~

His m.o. may work for him with jump offs, stunts, and skeezers, and
perhaps girls new to this, but if she's been around a minute, playboy will
have to be a payboy, if he says and does the things he has in this thread.

[rockabilly]

In my opinion it's just plain wrong to use a woman for sex.

[BellaBellucci]

His m.o. may work for him with jump offs, stunts, and skeezers, and
perhaps girls new to this, but if she's been around a minute, playboy will
have to be a payboy, if he says and does the things he has in this thread.

I'd go a step farther and say that he's probably already a payboy and he's bitter about it.

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

And another thing: seeing the title of this thread is starting to bug me. What's this referring to GG's as 'real girls' shit?

Are you implying that the rest us are fake in some way? I'm pretty sure I'm real. I'm pretty sure I'm a woman - at least that's what I'm told. I just don't have a vagina. So? Would you be here if we all did?

~BB~

[2009AD]

In my opinion it's just plain wrong to use a woman for sex.

You are a real innocent. You need to get out more.

[indeed]

Indeed, I don't know you from a can of paint, but I have to say I thank
God, my Momma, myself, my therapist, and my surgeons, that I am post
op, have ecellent self-esteem and will never be behind closed doors with
you and Lord willing ever have to have another conversation beyond this
one with you.

You allege that you are not transphobic but that others are, but from what
I have read in this thread you are the epitome of transphobia and misogyny.

In all honesty I believe the reason that you "allegedely" do not
discriminate against a woman because of her looks is not because "it's"
just a sex thing to you.

But rather I get the sense it's because you are dealig with women who
are either very young, have low self-esteem, or are new to transitioning
and feel that they have to settle for the disrespect you heap upon them.

Because in all honesty, no self respecting woman, trans or natal would
tolerate your behavior.

Ouch. This is gonna leave a mark.

~BB~

His m.o. may work for him with jump offs, stunts, and skeezers, and
perhaps girls new to this, but if she's been around a minute, playboy will
have to be a payboy, if he says and does the things he has in this thread.nope. not a payboy. have paid but not for quite a while. Sure they would. they do. Some of the best ones have.

To bella. You dont like the title? WTF? are you that deep in denial

[BellaBellucci]

Indeed, I don't know you from a can of paint, but I have to say I thank
God, my Momma, myself, my therapist, and my surgeons, that I am post
op, have ecellent self-esteem and will never be behind closed doors with
you and Lord willing ever have to have another conversation beyond this
one with you.

You allege that you are not transphobic but that others are, but from what
I have read in this thread you are the epitome of transphobia and misogyny.

In all honesty I believe the reason that you "allegedely" do not
discriminate against a woman because of her looks is not because "it's"
just a sex thing to you.

But rather I get the sense it's because you are dealig with women who
are either very young, have low self-esteem, or are new to transitioning
and feel that they have to settle for the disrespect you heap upon them.

Because in all honesty, no self respecting woman, trans or natal would
tolerate your behavior.

Ouch. This is gonna leave a mark.

~BB~

His m.o. may work for him with jump offs, stunts, and skeezers, and
perhaps girls new to this, but if she's been around a minute, playboy will
have to be a payboy, if he says and does the things he has in this thread.nope. not a payboy. have paid but not for quite a while. Sure they would. they do. Some of the best ones have.

To bella. You dont like the title? WTF? are you that deep in denial

Yes, of course I'm deep in denial. How did you know? :)

~BB~

[indeed]

Indeed, I don't know you from a can of paint, but I have to say I thank
God, my Momma, myself, my therapist, and my surgeons, that I am post
op, have ecellent self-esteem and will never be behind closed doors with
you and Lord willing ever have to have another conversation beyond this
one with you.

You allege that you are not transphobic but that others are, but from what
I have read in this thread you are the epitome of transphobia and misogyny.

In all honesty I believe the reason that you "allegedely" do not
discriminate against a woman because of her looks is not because "it's"
just a sex thing to you.

But rather I get the sense it's because you are dealig with women who
are either very young, have low self-esteem, or are new to transitioning
and feel that they have to settle for the disrespect you heap upon them.

Because in all honesty, no self respecting woman, trans or natal would
tolerate your behavior.

Ouch. This is gonna leave a mark.

~BB~

His m.o. may work for him with jump offs, stunts, and skeezers, and
perhaps girls new to this, but if she's been around a minute, playboy will
have to be a payboy, if he says and does the things he has in this thread.nope. not a payboy. have paid but not for quite a while. Sure they would. they do. Some of the best ones have.

To bella. You dont like the title? WTF? are you that deep in denial

Yes. I'm deep in denial. How did you know? :)

~BB~
its that obvious with your last statement

[BellaBellucci]

Yes. I'm deep in denial. How did you know? :)

~BB~
its that obvious with your last statement

So did you just come here to tell us we're a bunch of men (or not even human as you implied earlier) or did you plan on actually contributing something real to the discussion?

ZzZ ZZz zzZ zZz... boring.

~BB~

[rockabilly]

In my opinion it's just plain wrong to use a woman for sex.

You are a real innocent. You need to get out more.

Maybe ... but it's still not right.

[indeed]

Yes. I'm deep in denial. How did you know? :)

~BB~
its that obvious with your last statement

So did you just come here to tell us we're a bunch of men (or not even human as you implied earlier) or did you plan on actually contributing something real to the discussion?

ZzZ ZZz zzZ zZz... boring.

~BB~
yes thats what I said. Thats the issues /drama that seems to come with a lot of TS's. Shame. Guys like me love TS's....sex with them. Where did i say you werent human? Where did i say you were a bunch of men? I mean reality would say that but i didnt. Contribute? its my freaking thread. i had one guy answer the question. Unfortunately a gang of people got insecure and started to Flame.

Where have I said one negative thing about a TS?

[BellaBellucci]

yes thats what I said. Thats the issues /drama that seems to come with a lot of TS's. Shame. Guys like me love TS's....sex with them. Where did i say you werent human? Where did i say you were a bunch of men? I mean reality would say that but i didnt. Contribute? its my freaking thread. i had one guy answer the question. Unfortunately a gang of people got insecure and started to Flame.

Where have I said one negative thing about a TS?

*I* am insecure? Have you even LOOKED at yourself lately? Keep digging, Cassnova! lmfao

~BB~

[rockabilly]

Think about " IT" i'm sure " IT" will come to you.

[indeed]

yes thats what I said. Thats the issues /drama that seems to come with a lot of TS's. Shame. Guys like me love TS's....sex with them. Where did i say you werent human? Where did i say you were a bunch of men? I mean reality would say that but i didnt. Contribute? its my freaking thread. i had one guy answer the question. Unfortunately a gang of people got insecure and started to Flame.

Where have I said one negative thing about a TS?

*I* am insecure? Have you even LOOKED at yourself lately? Keep digging, Cassnova! lmfao

~BB~
yeah. you are. painfully. But i get that and why

in regards to "it". i posted a while ago that It was not out of malice. It was an accident.

[2009AD]

Most of you are letting the OP play you. He posts a provocative thread, sits back and waits for all the indignant replies.

I'm sure he's having a good laugh.

Nine pages! Bravo "Indeed." You are a Master Troller. :lol:

PS: While I'm at it, might as well send a shout out to HAs champion poster...Rockabilly.

[techi]

GG. I dont get it? isnt the attraction that it isnt a girl and that it has a tool? If you want close to real looking why not just go after a real GG? the drama of a TS is far heavier IMO.

I dont know what it is about TS's that i love, but i know i do. I dont bottom. I have rarely sucked, true i dont want a masculine TS but needing to be virtually passable doesnt make sense.

Is because of other peoples perception? If thats the case than isnt that a slight to the TS's?

reaction

Is that everyones top criteria? I sorta doubt it. Take a look at some of the picture threads in this forum, there's a wide variety of tastes.

[rockabilly]

Most of you are letting the OP play you. He posts a provocative thread, sits back and waits for all the indignant replies.

I'm sure he's having a good laugh.

Nine pages! Bravo "Indeed." You are a Master Troller. :lol:

PS: While I'm at it, might as well send a shout out to HAs champion poster...Rockabilly.


I'm the champ ? What do i win ? lol thanks 2009AD

[raybbaby]

A free t-shirt?

[rockabilly]

Sweet :) lol If Hazel Tucker comes in it ... i've died and gone to heaven.

[2009AD]

Rockabilly
Joined: 23 Apr 2009
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Who da champ? You da champ!




Most of you are letting the OP play you. He posts a provocative thread, sits back and waits for all the indignant replies.

I'm sure he's having a good laugh.

Nine pages! Bravo "Indeed." You are a Master Troller. :lol:

PS: While I'm at it, might as well send a shout out to HAs champion poster...Rockabilly.


I'm the champ ? What do i win ? lol thanks 2009AD

[rockabilly]

Most of that is Word Association though. I think i started maybe 5 threads ... it just added up so quickly. :shrug:

[Legend]

Wow ten pages already, all i have to say is hook, line and sinker.Come on this guy even typed "reaction" at the end of all that garbage.

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

God damn it. I really really don't want to come off the wrong way when so many of you having been so nice to me on this board - I say very little if anything at all on this forum when it comes to the controversial subjects - but fuck me runnin' I'm pretty sure I know what OP is getting at.

Knowing this forum is primarily a extension of the porn industry, I didn't raise an eyebrow at his inquiry. I didn't get offended and as an aside, I've probibly asked myself the same question once or twice.

I knew full well, and was actually kind of excited by the fact that I was going to be viewed as little more than a masturbatory aid when I started all of this. I mean, that is my job right? I knew that my marketability was based on the fact that my gender identity as portrayed on the internet is at best, in a state of flux. as far as I can figure, that fact alone was the key to my meal ticket. Isn't the attraction based on the fact that trannies and shemales are in fact trannies and shemales? Aren't we marketed as an alternative to the mainstream? Are we not offering men an opportunity to augment there sexual pallet?

I thought we were special because we weren't any one particular gender and in many cases beyond the notion of gender all together.

Jeeze, I just can't find the ability to be that upset over this guys post. Am I an asshole? I don't feel like an asshole and I hope I haven't pissed anybody off... if I have, hit me up we'll go out for coffee and maybe I can find a way to make it up to you. I just thought I'd throw a bone out there to the notion if not the OP himself. He may very well just be a jerk. I've said too much... I'm out.

[FREEFALLL666]

Hey most of the famous ones look like a cross between Michael Jackson and The Bride of Wildenstein..

[yodajazz]

GG. I dont get it? isnt the attraction that it isnt a girl and that it has a tool? If you want close to real looking why not just go after a real GG? the drama of a TS is far heavier IMO.

I dont know what it is about TS's that i love, but i know i do. I dont bottom. I have rarely sucked, true i dont want a masculine TS but needing to be virtually passable doesnt make sense.

Is because of other peoples perception? If thats the case than isnt that a slight to the TS's?

reaction
I think I would like to answer the original question. That is why would a man want a passable t-girl vs a gg?

First of all passiblity, implies public perception. That is someone who I would be public or open about. It has several answers. One is a no brainer, in that I, and most people that would go places with a ts woman, would rather not face possible controversy. I have been with a ts woman, and “have someone say, that’s a dude”. I lived through if, but I’d rather not have to go through often.

The other thing for me, is that I get a particular thrill knowing that ts women are being accepted, or not being detected is another view. I recently saw a pic of a t-girl at a party who looked very passible, and I imagined myself taking her to a movie and holding hands walking down the street. Knowing that she passed would be an extra turn on for our private time, in that case.

I love some gg women. I can’t help but acknowledge that many are very attractive. Even though I am in an ltr, there is usually some other woman, that I have a secret crush on. But if I found that that the woman I had a crush on, was ts, even post op, I think I would be even greater attracted to her. There are not enough words to further explain it; that’s just how I feel.

Your interest in the question about passibility, is so because you appear to not be interested in being in public with one yourself. If you did consider having a real relationship with one then you could answer a lot of your questions yourself. But this forum does exist for people to ask questions of those with similar tastes. So feel free to ask more.

[BellaBellucci]

Most of you are letting the OP play you. He posts a provocative thread, sits back and waits for all the indignant replies.

I'm sure he's having a good laugh.

Nine pages! Bravo "Indeed." You are a Master Troller. :lol:

PS: While I'm at it, might as well send a shout out to HAs champion poster...Rockabilly.

I don't think we're being played. I think that's an exaggeration. Sure the OP is a troll but the question is legitimate regardless. It was the way he asked it that I took issue with. I can't speak for anyone else, but I think the conversation was worth having.

~BB~

[anonftwlulz]

Men who have sex with transsexuals and are afraid to admit it don't deserve their dicks. Just sayin'.

[gotchagood]

GG. I dont get it? isnt the attraction that it isnt a girl and that it has a tool? If you want close to real looking why not just go after a real GG? the drama of a TS is far heavier IMO.

I dont know what it is about TS's that i love, but i know i do. I dont bottom. I have rarely sucked, true i dont want a masculine TS but needing to be virtually passable doesnt make sense.

Is because of other peoples perception? If thats the case than isnt that a slight to the TS's?

reactionThe attraction for "me" is the feminine. Unfortunately, I think a lot of today's gg's have a problem displaying that (not all though). Society/feminist have told them you have to snort, be mean and gruff, show no signs of weakness no matter what; be able to hork and spit, drink booze, crush a can on her head, play football, arm wrestle, spin on your head and lift weights like one of the "boys", and that makes you a "strong woman". Well, in my opinion way too many gg's have bought into this ridiculous idea.

In my opinion, the ladies here have more glamour/feminine "output" and they're not afraid to be "female" and I like it. They also have a certain candor that I enjoy. I "enjoy" and respect "them" and what they have done with themselves and when I'm here viewing/admiring or whatever you want to call it, I always leave here feeling like a "M-A- N". That I like as well.

I once heard that dating "today's" woman is like dating your little brother.


Have a great day :wink:

[BellaBellucci]

The attraction for "me" is the feminine. Unfortunately, I think a lot of today's gg's have a problem displaying that (not all though). Society/feminist have told them you have to snort, be mean and gruff, show no signs of weakness no matter what; be able to hork and spit, drink booze, crush a can on her head, play football, arm wrestle, spin on your head and lift weights like one of the "boys", and that makes you a "strong woman". Well, in my opinion way too many gg's have bought into this ridiculous idea.

In my opinion, the ladies here have more glamour/feminine "output" and they're not afraid to be "female" and I like it. They also have a certain candor that I enjoy. I "enjoy" and respect "them" and what they have done with themselves and when I'm here viewing/admiring or whatever you want to call it, I always leave here feeling like a "M-A- N". That I like as well.

I once heard that dating "today's" woman is like dating your little brother.

Have a great day :wink:

Feminism is a ridiculous idea? Oh sorry. I was a bad girl. I didn't mean to question you just now. I'd hate to emasculate you by daring to speak, let alone question your wisdom. Just go ahead and club me over the head and take me back to your cave now. Sorry sir. It won't happen again.

And a good translation for the 'feminine output' of which you speak is that you like the girls who still have a male take on female sexuality - they want whatever you want because they want you to want them because they've been rejected their entire lives - and of course you'd like to exploit that. You'd like a girl who wants a man who, as a girl I know once put it, 'can beat the shit out of (her).' She's a sweet girl albeit thoroughly confoozled.

Yet another misguided misogynist. You fit right in around here.

~BB~

[SarahG]

Feminism is a ridiculous idea?


Some of it surely is.


Just go ahead and club me over the head and take me back to your cave now. Sorry sir. It won't happen again.

That's not what he's saying. IMHO "being feminine" and being a "strong woman" are not mutually exclusive statuses, which I think is what he was getting at.

[johnz2001]

To me, a beautiful, feminine transexual IS a girl, period. I look at these beautiful images and they are girls as far as I am concerned. The more feminine, and the more beautiful her penis, the more I find them so stunning and attractive.

[BellaBellucci]

Feminism is a ridiculous idea?


Some of it surely is.


Just go ahead and club me over the head and take me back to your cave now. Sorry sir. It won't happen again.

That's not what he's saying. IMHO "being feminine" and being a "strong woman" are not mutually exclusive statuses, which I think is what he was getting at.

True and true. But on this board you never know. That's all.

Incidentally, I love that you're the voice of reason around here so often. We should chat soon. :)

~BB~

[SarahG]

Feminism is a ridiculous idea?


Some of it surely is.


Just go ahead and club me over the head and take me back to your cave now. Sorry sir. It won't happen again.

That's not what he's saying. IMHO "being feminine" and being a "strong woman" are not mutually exclusive statuses, which I think is what he was getting at.

True and true. But on this board you never know. That's all.

Incidentally, I love that you're the voice of reason around here so often. We should chat soon. :)

~BB~

It's ironic, isn't it? I mean ME??? I am a voice of reason?

What kind of fucked up bizzaro world are we living in!

[BellaBellucci]

Feminism is a ridiculous idea?


Some of it surely is.


Just go ahead and club me over the head and take me back to your cave now. Sorry sir. It won't happen again.

That's not what he's saying. IMHO "being feminine" and being a "strong woman" are not mutually exclusive statuses, which I think is what he was getting at.

True and true. But on this board you never know. That's all.

Incidentally, I love that you're the voice of reason around here so often. We should chat soon. :)

~BB~

It's ironic, isn't it? I mean ME??? I am a voice of reason?

What kind of fucked up bizzaro world are we living in!

Well it's easy to be that way I guess when you can make people disappear under your house. ;)

~BB~

[SarahG]

Well it's easy to be that way I guess when you can make people disappear under your house. ;)

~BB~


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[rockabilly]

Why am i covered w/ dirt? SARAH! damn it i'm not dead! :cry: I'm just pale . :( lol

[gotchagood]

The attraction for "me" is the feminine. Unfortunately, I think a lot of today's gg's have a problem displaying that (not all though). Society/feminist have told them you have to snort, be mean and gruff, show no signs of weakness no matter what; be able to hork and spit, drink booze, crush a can on her head, play football, arm wrestle, spin on your head and lift weights like one of the "boys", and that makes you a "strong woman". Well, in my opinion way too many gg's have bought into this ridiculous idea.

In my opinion, the ladies here have more glamour/feminine "output" and they're not afraid to be "female" and I like it. They also have a certain candor that I enjoy. I "enjoy" and respect "them" and what they have done with themselves and when I'm here viewing/admiring or whatever you want to call it, I always leave here feeling like a "M-A- N". That I like as well.

I once heard that dating "today's" woman is like dating your little brother.

Have a great day :wink:

Feminism is a ridiculous idea? Oh sorry. I was a bad girl. I didn't mean to question you just now. I'd hate to emasculate you by daring to speak, let alone question your wisdom. Just go ahead and club me over the head and take me back to your cave now. Sorry sir. It won't happen again.

And a good translation for the 'feminine output' of which you speak is that you like the girls who still have a male take on female sexuality - they want whatever you want because they want you to want them because they've been rejected their entire lives - and of course you'd like to exploit that. You'd like a girl who wants a man who, as a girl I know once put it, 'can beat the shit out of (her).' She's a sweet girl albeit thoroughly confoozled.

Yet another misguided misogynist. You fit right in around here.

~BB~My my my, did I hit a nerve?? First, no woman can emasculate me; period. Second, I think feminism in many cases was a good thing. I don't believe in anyone not being able to get an education etc. Although I believe that there can only be one captain in a household, (there are no two kings, queens, head coaches etc.) I believe that a household has it's jobs just like a ship and it can only run smoothly when "all" hands are on deck. I have no problem with women being paid equally for the "same" jobs and amount of work etc. Nor am I intimidated by a woman's looks or mind, why should I be??

Now, you've labeled me and other men on this board misogynists. You say "I'm" one simply because I like "girls" that are "feminine" and display those characteristics openly without fear of being seen "by many feminist" as being weak or somehow being "controlled" by men.

Tell me this, would you think it would be fair to call you or any woman a male hater /misanderer simply because a woman would expect a man to walk, talk, act, look and "behave" like a man???? You see, "today" anything that a man says that doesn't agree with or praises today's women on "anything and everything" they do and say, they just "have" to be a misogynist. RUBBISH.

"How dare a man say Ronnie Coleman can't beat Danica Patrick at arm wrestling!!" He must be a misogynist! And excuse me for not finding a woman's smelly armpits, oily, grimy, dirty busted nails, unkept hair and soiled jumpsuit a turn-on. "I love it honey that you fight in the MMA and I love to see you with black eyes a broken nose and cauliflower ears, it just really turns me on!! Watching the "blood" oozing out of your eyes also really does it for me! Now, put on your "one" good "dress", paint your "nail" and bring your ice pack, so that I can take you to a nice expensive place to eat and then maybe take you to meet my folks!

Feminism is not what it started out to be dear, it's become another kind of monster.


Also, I hate dumb girls, I'd rather have a smart ugly girl than a dumb pretty one, anyday. If I want a puppet, I'll buy one and I don't need a slave deary. I'm also one who works hard to judge others not by their looks (so a pretty face and big tits doesn't influence me)but by their personality and character. Also, my manhood is not dependent on what a woman says or thinks about me, I'm very secure about who I am and my manhood and need no verification of that from anyone; which is why I can come here without fear or guilt or shame.

But, excuse me for thinking you and the other "ladies" look and act like females; I don't want to offend you all and be called a "misogynist". And I guess if liking females to be "feminine" is misogyny, then I guess I may as well turn to men, because that means there is truly no hope.

Well, guess if I turn to guys then I'm not that far off, right??


Nice talking to you
Have a great day. :wink:

[BellaBellucci]

My my my, did I hit a nerve?? First, no woman can emasculate me; period. Second, I think feminism in many cases was a good thing. I don't believe in anyone not being able to get an education etc. Although I believe that there can only be one captain in a household, (there are no two kings, queens, head coaches etc.) I believe that a household has it's jobs just like a ship and it can only run smoothly when "all" hands are on deck. I have no problem with women being paid equally for the "same" jobs and amount of work etc. Nor am I intimidated by a woman's looks or mind, why should I be??

Now, you've labeled me and other men on this board misogynists. You say "I'm" one simply because I like "girls" that are "feminine" and display those characteristics openly without fear of being seen "by many feminist" as being weak or somehow being "controlled" by men.

...

Also, I hate dumb girls, I'd rather have a smart ugly girl than a dumb pretty one, anyday. ...

1. You don't specify who the captain should be - the male or the female? Is that left up to circumstance or gender with you?

2. Is this really true or is it really just that you want a woman who loves you unconditionally as her friends constantly remind her that she's crazy to go out with you because you're too controlling? Or put another way: do you actually give a woman freedom in a relationship or do you just not want to be SEEN as controlling? It sounds like the latter.

There's a fine line between being the woman in a relationship and being the bitch. And feminism isn't playing football and fixing cars; it's about self respect and self worth. If a woman is happy in a traditional relationship then fine, but her man still needs to respect her as an equal and I just don't get the vibe from you that you're capable of that based on your statements.

Your use of quotes around the word 'girl' is also suspect.

3. "If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life... never make a pretty woman your wife." 'Nuff said.

~BB~

PS: No you didn't hit a nerve. I don't understand why everybody thinks I'm upset when I question anything around here. I'm just making a point.

[SarahG]

"How dare a man say Ronnie Coleman can't beat Danica Patrick at arm wrestling!!" He must be a misogynist! And excuse me for not finding a woman's smelly armpits, oily, grimy, dirty busted nails, unkept hair and soiled jumpsuit a turn-on.

That's a relatively unfair way of talking about Danica. Sure, she might be sweaty during & right after a race, sure wearing a helmet might mess up her hair, but fuck its not like she's like that all the time. She cleans up when she's not in a race car and goes out of her way to look like that virtually all the rest of the time. She's certainly not gonna get any dirtier, smellier, or sweatier then a girl who goes to the gym once a day to stay skinny.

That's just life, no one looks flawless 24/7. Sometimes people get helmet hair (not just race car drivers either; presumably you'd want your GF/wife wearing a helmet when in a motorcycle or bicycle), sometimes people get dirty... there's a far cry between that and one of those really masculine girls. That, and the simple act of getting presentable, even to the most traditional of feminine stereotypes, requires acts that look well, unflattering. I doubt most guys are attracted when girls put on a mask before they shower (to say nothing of hair curlers), or girls who are wearing a stained, worn boybeater as they dye their hair once a month.

You don't have to be attracted to someone 24/7, I don't care if you find Danica unattractive during & right after races (just as I don't care if you think a girl is ugly when her face is green with a mask)- but to say that because she's a race car driver, you wouldn't possibly want to be with her, seems irrational to me and unfair. You know what's one of the oldest professions for women? Nursing. Yet nurses get as sweaty or more so, they get covered with blood while on the job, urine, feces, throw up- all kinds of really nasty shit... then they wash it off, change, go home, and that's it.

Are some nurses ugly? Sure. Are some butch? Sure. Are some attractive? Sure... but none of that is because of what job they do.


"I love it honey that you fight in the MMA and I love to see you with black eyes a broken nose and cauliflower ears, it just really turns me on!! Watching the "blood" oozing out of your eyes also really does it for me! Now, put on your "one" good "dress", paint your "nail" and bring your ice pack, so that I can take you to a nice expensive place to eat and then maybe take you to meet my folks!

What makes you think its attractive for us when guys are beat to shit like that? Cauliflower ears? blood oozing out of eyes? nails ripped off? Doesn't exactly turn me on, and I have a reputation for graphic, violent, morbid things...

Suppose a guy made a living doing something that smelled bad, like working at a sewage processing plant. Its a masculine job, but I'm telling you right now its not gonna help him any in dating if he goes around hitting on girls while reeking of crap. Just as it would similarly be hard for a girl to find a date when smelling like that.

Somethings just don't have anything to do with gender norms.

[Beagle]

i mean is this really that difficult to understand?

i believe for most TS lovers it's the contrast.

the most highly rated TSs have supermodel looks with one exception. the cock.

so you take the most gorgeous feminine attributes and have the largest masculine looking cock, you're going to have a winner.

note: this is a generalization and YMMV.

[TJ347]

take the most gorgeous feminine attributes and have the largest masculine looking cock, you're going to have a winner.

Undeniably true based on the posts of many men on this forum, more than a few of whom doubtless regularly engage in rest stop hijinks...

Moving on though, if one doesn't require that a woman, transgendered or genetic, actually look like a woman for him to get aroused, I don't know that I'd feel confident saying that he was attracted to women. Now, if you've gotta take it in the butt to bust your nut, more power to you. It'd just be nice if some folks would stop bullshitting and admit to their "have penis, will travel" policy and stop lying to themselves. Kudos to the OP for being so bold.

[gotchagood]

My my my, did I hit a nerve?? First, no woman can emasculate me; period. Second, I think feminism in many cases was a good thing. I don't believe in anyone not being able to get an education etc. Although I believe that there can only be one captain in a household, (there are no two kings, queens, head coaches etc.) I believe that a household has it's jobs just like a ship and it can only run smoothly when "all" hands are on deck. I have no problem with women being paid equally for the "same" jobs and amount of work etc. Nor am I intimidated by a woman's looks or mind, why should I be??

Now, you've labeled me and other men on this board misogynists. You say "I'm" one simply because I like "girls" that are "feminine" and display those characteristics openly without fear of being seen "by many feminist" as being weak or somehow being "controlled" by men.

...

Also, I hate dumb girls, I'd rather have a smart ugly girl than a dumb pretty one, anyday. ...

1. You don't specify who the captain should be - the male or the female? Is that left up to circumstance or gender with you?

2. Is this really true or is it really just that you want a woman who loves you unconditionally as her friends constantly remind her that she's crazy to go out with you because you're too controlling? Or put another way: do you actually give a woman freedom in a relationship or do you just not want to be SEEN as controlling? It sounds like the latter.

There's a fine line between being the woman in a relationship and being the bitch. And feminism isn't playing football and fixing cars; it's about self respect and self worth. If a woman is happy in a traditional relationship then fine, but her man still needs to respect her as an equal and I just don't get the vibe from you that you're capable of that based on your statements.

Your use of quotes around the word 'girl' is also suspect.

3. "If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life... never make a pretty woman your wife." 'Nuff said.

~BB~

PS: No you didn't hit a nerve. I don't understand why everybody thinks I'm upset when I question anything around here. I'm just making a point.! Sorry, but most men are dominate in any circumstance. It's in our nature. We didn't ask for the job. But I feel that it all depends on the circumstance as to which strength to draw from be it the man or the woman's. For instance, women are great organizers. Not saying that men can't be, it's just that women seem to excel in this area.


2. I'm not a controlling person. I give anyone freedom, as I said previously, if I want a puppet, I'll buy one. But, If I'm cooking, then she can clean the gutters.


3. Women playing football etc. "is" a part of feminism. It's part of the idea that a woman can do anything a man can do etc. I'm glad that women can do alot of these things, I'm fine with because now "she" can get the fix it list and "I" can go golfing on Saturday.

No matter how you slice it, male and female roles will always exist no matter how society tries to change it. Whether you like it or I like it. I'm tired of mine as it is, I have no problem letting a woman run after the burglar for a change and run inside of a burning building, I'm done. I'm the one that will walk away when society calls for a "man". When the ship is sinking, I'm not going down with the ship simply because I'm a "man". I should have "equal" access to a seat as any woman or child.

Trust me, when I see a woman on the side of the road, I try no to pull over because number one, I don't have an S on my chest, 2. I trust that she can handle her situation "herself" 3. It keeps me from wrecking my manicure. "I" do not ever come to the rescue.

Men are wired a certain way, and women are wired a certain way. Both have strengths different from each other in many ways and these strengths work beautifully together when balanced out. I, however tend to see thing on a more even keel, I love to walk in other people's shoes; it gives me perspective.

Also, I didn't think you were mad. From your comments.

Have a great day 8)

[gotchagood]

"How dare a man say Ronnie Coleman can't beat Danica Patrick at arm wrestling!!" He must be a misogynist! And excuse me for not finding a woman's smelly armpits, oily, grimy, dirty busted nails, unkept hair and soiled jumpsuit a turn-on.

That's a relatively unfair way of talking about Danica. Sure, she might be sweaty during & right after a race, sure wearing a helmet might mess up her hair, but fuck its not like she's like that all the time. She cleans up when she's not in a race car and goes out of her way to look like that virtually all the rest of the time. She's certainly not gonna get any dirtier, smellier, or sweatier then a girl who goes to the gym once a day to stay skinny.

That's just life, no one looks flawless 24/7. Sometimes people get helmet hair (not just race car drivers either; presumably you'd want your GF/wife wearing a helmet when in a motorcycle or bicycle), sometimes people get dirty... there's a far cry between that and one of those really masculine girls. That, and the simple act of getting presentable, even to the most traditional of feminine stereotypes, requires acts that look well, unflattering. I doubt most guys are attracted when girls put on a mask before they shower (to say nothing of hair curlers), or girls who are wearing a stained, worn boybeater as they dye their hair once a month.

You don't have to be attracted to someone 24/7, I don't care if you find Danica unattractive during & right after races (just as I don't care if you think a girl is ugly when her face is green with a mask)- but to say that because she's a race car driver, you wouldn't possibly want to be with her, seems irrational to me and unfair. You know what's one of the oldest professions for women? Nursing. Yet nurses get as sweaty or more so, they get covered with blood while on the job, urine, feces, throw up- all kinds of really nasty shit... then they wash it off, change, go home, and that's it.

Are some nurses ugly? Sure. Are some butch? Sure. Are some attractive? Sure... but none of that is because of what job they do.


"I love it honey that you fight in the MMA and I love to see you with black eyes a broken nose and cauliflower ears, it just really turns me on!! Watching the "blood" oozing out of your eyes also really does it for me! Now, put on your "one" good "dress", paint your "nail" and bring your ice pack, so that I can take you to a nice expensive place to eat and then maybe take you to meet my folks!

What makes you think its attractive for us when guys are beat to shit like that? Cauliflower ears? blood oozing out of eyes? nails ripped off? Doesn't exactly turn me on, and I have a reputation for graphic, violent, morbid things...

Suppose a guy made a living doing something that smelled bad, like working at a sewage processing plant. Its a masculine job, but I'm telling you right now its not gonna help him any in dating if he goes around hitting on girls while reeking of crap. Just as it would similarly be hard for a girl to find a date when smelling like that.

Somethings just don't have anything to do with gender norms.You've taken things out of context. My point was that society will call men misogynists if in any way what a woman does is not supported by a man. Of course I know that women can't look like supermodels all day everyday, I wouldn't want a barbie! That's crazy and quite sexist. My point was that sure, you can work on cars and lift weight and box, just don't call "me" a misogynist because I don't support or find the results of these particular careers flattering to women. The whole thing about Patrick was just a metaphor. If a woman doesn't like being around a man who smells like crap after the job, does that make her a male hater or practicing misandry? And personally, I don't see the attraction that some of these women have to some of these guys who fight in the MMA, you'd think they'd be tired of patching them up and seeing them with black eyes and broke noses, and if I were a woman, we'd be having a talk about finding him a new career or I have the choice to walk away. But to each his own I guess.

My point is this, just because a man happens to disapproves or dislikes women's boxing etc. Or think nurses that handle crap all day is not for them no matter what they look like or how they smell afterward, this doesn't make him sexist or a misogynist. You might not like the shoes I wear, but I shouldn't start labeling you a "shoe" hater.



Have a great day

:wink:

[gotchagood]

"How dare a man say Ronnie Coleman can't beat Danica Patrick at arm wrestling!!" He must be a misogynist! And excuse me for not finding a woman's smelly armpits, oily, grimy, dirty busted nails, unkept hair and soiled jumpsuit a turn-on.

That's a relatively unfair way of talking about Danica. Sure, she might be sweaty during & right after a race, sure wearing a helmet might mess up her hair, but fuck its not like she's like that all the time. She cleans up when she's not in a race car and goes out of her way to look like that virtually all the rest of the time. She's certainly not gonna get any dirtier, smellier, or sweatier then a girl who goes to the gym once a day to stay skinny.

That's just life, no one looks flawless 24/7. Sometimes people get helmet hair (not just race car drivers either; presumably you'd want your GF/wife wearing a helmet when in a motorcycle or bicycle), sometimes people get dirty... there's a far cry between that and one of those really masculine girls. That, and the simple act of getting presentable, even to the most traditional of feminine stereotypes, requires acts that look well, unflattering. I doubt most guys are attracted when girls put on a mask before they shower (to say nothing of hair curlers), or girls who are wearing a stained, worn boybeater as they dye their hair once a month.

You don't have to be attracted to someone 24/7, I don't care if you find Danica unattractive during & right after races (just as I don't care if you think a girl is ugly when her face is green with a mask)- but to say that because she's a race car driver, you wouldn't possibly want to be with her, seems irrational to me and unfair. You know what's one of the oldest professions for women? Nursing. Yet nurses get as sweaty or more so, they get covered with blood while on the job, urine, feces, throw up- all kinds of really nasty shit... then they wash it off, change, go home, and that's it.

Are some nurses ugly? Sure. Are some butch? Sure. Are some attractive? Sure... but none of that is because of what job they do.


"I love it honey that you fight in the MMA and I love to see you with black eyes a broken nose and cauliflower ears, it just really turns me on!! Watching the "blood" oozing out of your eyes also really does it for me! Now, put on your "one" good "dress", paint your "nail" and bring your ice pack, so that I can take you to a nice expensive place to eat and then maybe take you to meet my folks!

What makes you think its attractive for us when guys are beat to shit like that? Cauliflower ears? blood oozing out of eyes? nails ripped off? Doesn't exactly turn me on, and I have a reputation for graphic, violent, morbid things...

Suppose a guy made a living doing something that smelled bad, like working at a sewage processing plant. Its a masculine job, but I'm telling you right now its not gonna help him any in dating if he goes around hitting on girls while reeking of crap. Just as it would similarly be hard for a girl to find a date when smelling like that.

Somethings just don't have anything to do with gender norms.You've taken things out of context. My point was that society will call men misogynists if in any way what a woman does is not supported by a man. Of course I know that women can't look like supermodels all day everyday, I wouldn't want a barbie! That's crazy and quite sexist. My point was that sure, you can work on cars and lift weight and box, just don't call "me" a misogynist because I don't support or find the results of these particular careers flattering to women. The whole thing about Patrick was just a metaphor. If a woman doesn't like being around a man who smells like crap after the job, does that make her a male hater or practicing misandry? And personally, I don't see the attraction that some of these women have to some of these guys who fight in the MMA, you'd think they'd be tired of patching them up and seeing them with black eyes and broke noses, and if I were a woman, we'd be having a talk about finding him a new career or I have the choice to walk away. But to each his own I guess.

My point is this, just because a man happens to disapproves or dislikes women's boxing etc. Or think nurses that handle crap all day is not for them no matter what they look like or how they smell afterward, this doesn't make him sexist or a misogynist. You might not like the shoes I wear, but I shouldn't start labeling you a "shoe" hater.



Have a great day

:wink:

[SarahG]

My point was that sure, you can work on cars and lift weight and box, just don't call "me" a misogynist because I don't support or find the results of these particular careers flattering to women.

Oh trust me, if I were going to call you a misogynist I would be pretty blunt about it (and that hasn't happened).

I agree with what I put into bold here. If a guy isn't attracted to muscular women, then of course it would be stupid for him to date a girl who does weight lifting as a career, or has to look like that as a career (i.e. "professional wrestling"). My disagreement is over painting so many careers over with a broad brush like that. Take mechanics for as an example, a career of working on cars won't necessarily alter the way she looks, it all depends on what she has to do and how she does it.


If a woman doesn't like being around a man who smells like crap after the job, does that make her a male hater or practicing misandry?

I thought I said already that some things don't have anything to do with gender roles? This would be one of those times imho.


My point is this, just because a man happens to disapproves or dislikes women's boxing etc. Or think nurses that handle crap all day is not for them no matter what they look like or how they smell afterward, this doesn't make him sexist or a misogynist.

If it has nothing to do with how they look, or how they smell, or how they act outside of work- then its not about whether or not the girl is feminine.

[gotchagood]

My point was that sure, you can work on cars and lift weight and box, just don't call "me" a misogynist because I don't support or find the results of these particular careers flattering to women.

Oh trust me, if I were going to call you a misogynist I would be pretty blunt about it (and that hasn't happened).

I agree with what I put into bold here. If a guy isn't attracted to muscular women, then of course it would be stupid for him to date a girl who does weight lifting as a career, or has to look like that as a career (i.e. "professional wrestling"). My disagreement is over painting so many careers over with a broad brush like that. Take mechanics for as an example, a career of working on cars won't necessarily alter the way she looks, it all depends on what she has to do and how she does it.


If a woman doesn't like being around a man who smells like crap after the job, does that make her a male hater or practicing misandry?

I thought I said already that some things don't have anything to do with gender roles? This would be one of those times imho.


My point is this, just because a man happens to disapproves or dislikes women's boxing etc. Or think nurses that handle crap all day is not for them no matter what they look like or how they smell afterward, this doesn't make him sexist or a misogynist.

If it has nothing to do with how they look, or how they smell, or how they act outside of work- then its not about whether or not the girl is feminine.I understand what your digging at, and I've enjoyed your point of view, but first, my original post was only directed at some, I specifically said "not all". I just feel that alot of gg' have lost their gracefulness and elegance and how to relate and present their femininity or best female qualities. Ever heard the expression "Lipstick on a pig??"

Have a great day

[phobun]

take the most gorgeous feminine attributes and have the largest masculine looking cock, you're going to have a winner.

Undeniably true based on the posts of many men on this forum, more than a few of whom doubtless regularly engage in rest stop hijinks...

Moving on though, if one doesn't require that a woman, transgendered or genetic, actually look like a woman for him to get aroused, I don't know that I'd feel confident saying that he was attracted to women. Now, if you've gotta take it in the butt to bust your nut, more power to you. It'd just be nice if some folks would stop bullshitting and admit to their "have penis, will travel" policy and stop lying to themselves. Kudos to the OP for being so bold.

This pretty much sums it up.

[BellaBellucci]

Sorry, but most men are dominate in any circumstance. It's in our nature. We didn't ask for the job.

Well, if you didn't ask for it, then you shouldn't mind sharing it, should you? ;)


But I feel that it all depends on the circumstance as to which strength to draw from be it the man or the woman's. For instance, women are great organizers. Not saying that men can't be, it's just that women seem to excel in this area.

2. I'm not a controlling person. I give anyone freedom, as I said previously, if I want a puppet, I'll buy one. But, If I'm cooking, then she can clean the gutters.

As I recall you came into this thread with the attitude (although admittedly not the words) that feminine equals submissive and that that is what you appreciate most in a transwoman. Since there are still plenty of GG's out there who are submissive and it's fairly common knowledge that proportionally more TS are than not, it seems to me like what you are doing is looking for a 'bitch,' which should be much easier here than on a forum comprised of cisgendered people.

It has nothing to do with the jobs and responsibilities of each member of a couple. Of course I don't want you to paint your nails and I sure as hell don't want to clean any gutters, but demography turns into misogyny when you feel that cleaning the gutters is so much more IMPORTANT to the family unit that you should be allowed to control it.


3. Women playing football etc. "is" a part of feminism. It's part of the idea that a woman can do anything a man can do etc. I'm glad that women can do alot of these things, I'm fine with because now "she" can get the fix it list and "I" can go golfing on Saturday.

First of all, I think you should do some research into neo-feminism, of which I would consider myself a student. It has nothing to do with sports or carpentry. It pretty much says what I've been saying all along - that men and women should have different responsibilities, but that ALL people should be equal and self-sufficient and that there is just as much power in the feminine as the masculine. If you're not around to clean the gutters for example, I as a member of the family, gender notwithstanding, should be able to do that job if necessary. It's not about competing with men or doing what men do. It wouldn't be practical.

But it's also not practical to RELY on a man to do things for us. It's about 'independence.' Men cringe when we use that word but then they're the first to complain that we're all too 'needy' and that they shouldn't have to take care of us as they have the expectation that we not be able to take care of ourselves. That's just sad.


No matter how you slice it, male and female roles will always exist no matter how society tries to change it. Whether you like it or I like it. I'm tired of mine as it is, I have no problem letting a woman run after the burglar for a change and run inside of a burning building, I'm done. I'm the one that will walk away when society calls for a "man". When the ship is sinking, I'm not going down with the ship simply because I'm a "man". I should have "equal" access to a seat as any woman or child.

Equal means equal. I wouldn't expect you to go down with the ship. The great thing men fail to see about neo-feminists is that it reduces the burden of the expectations of THEM as well.


Trust me, when I see a woman on the side of the road, I try no to pull over because number one, I don't have an S on my chest, 2. I trust that she can handle her situation "herself" 3. It keeps me from wrecking my manicure. "I" do not ever come to the rescue.

Women should know basic auto mechanics. Women should know basic home maintenance. Women should know something about technology. They don't have to know how to operate a jack hammer, but then a lot of men don't either.


Men are wired a certain way, and women are wired a certain way. Both have strengths different from each other in many ways and these strengths work beautifully together when balanced out. I, however tend to see thing on a more even keel, I love to walk in other people's shoes; it gives me perspective.

Also, I didn't think you were mad. From your comments.

Have a great day 8)

So while you claim you're not a misogynist, you use evolutionary theory to excuse a male-dominant world view. Sounds a little contradictory to me.

~BB~

[Quiet Reflections]

for me a girl doesn't have to be 100 percent passable but she does have to be happy with her look even if shes still working on it. I don't like men with tits and i demand femininity in a partner. We can both stand up and piss but only i will have the masculine role in the relationship. Plus i like goal oriented people so if shes headed for full transition(ffs,srs, and anything that goes with it) im more likely to be attracted to her. There is something sexy about a person that finishes what they start.

[alyssats]

I met some guys whos also into not so passable girls and I completely respect .them we all have our own preference and taste in life. Just look at this forum so many guys go gaga once they saw a cock eventhough the TS/TG/TV is *no comment* lol

[giovanni_hotel]

TG = girl, ( emphasis on GIRL) with a dick, IMO, not a dick attached to a girl.

Not a huge difference, and yet, all the difference in the world.

[rockabilly]

Yeah it's the whole package ( no pun intended ) that i'm attracted to , and that includes personality.

[JeniferTS]

Yeah it's the whole package ( no pun intended ) that i'm attracted to , and that includes personality.

R-I-G-H-T :lol:

[rockabilly]

Damn it Jen you caught me . ;) But i like girls w/ humor and charm . Sexiness is just the icing on an already yummy cupcake.

[indeed]

i mean is this really that difficult to understand?

i believe for most TS lovers it's the contrast.

the most highly rated TSs have supermodel looks with one exception. the cock.

so you take the most gorgeous feminine attributes and have the largest masculine looking cock, you're going to have a winner.

note: this is a generalization and YMMV.

thats not the question. Why do guys try to pass them off as real girls? If they want real girls, then go after a real girl. If the guy likes cock dont front to friends family etc and say its a really smoking hot TS.

thats all. we all love pretty shemales. however there are some on here who arent as Fem as others yet i would still bang the hell out of them.

I know there are a lot of guys that would (behind closed doors) yet ask for a passable TS to hide their true feelings

[liisawinklergirl]

GG. I dont get it? isnt the attraction that it isnt a girl and that it has a tool? If you want close to real looking why not just go after a real GG? the drama of a TS is far heavier IMO.

I dont know what it is about TS's that i love, but i know i do. I dont bottom. I have rarely sucked, true i dont want a masculine TS but needing to be virtually passable doesnt make sense.

Is because of other peoples perception? If thats the case than isnt that a slight to the TS's?

reaction

yes this question also baffles me a lot about what translovers really go for?

do they want a girl who looks as close to a woman or do they want a girl who is the ultimate cross between man and woman (a tsgirl who is easily recognizable as a tsgirl)???

for me because I seem to fall into the second category I think this question is best answerable by what TS attraction is to many transgirl lovers...how do they define what real transsexual beauty is? and for sure there are so many elements that contribute to real transsexual beauty...

[pictpixie5523]

GG. I dont get it? isnt the attraction that it isnt a girl and that it has a tool? If you want close to real looking why not just go after a real GG? the drama of a TS is far heavier IMO.

I dont know what it is about TS's that i love, but i know i do. I dont bottom. I have rarely sucked, true i dont want a masculine TS but needing to be virtually passable doesnt make sense.

Is because of other peoples perception? If thats the case than isnt that a slight to the TS's?

reaction

generally speaking, isn't this question unanswerable? different strokes for different folks, that's what makes us interesting. too specific an answer will lead some people to disagree and offer something else into the pot, leading to an endless supply of possible answers. are you not just better saying to yourself that you like TS's and it's not of great importance to you that they are "100% passable". only that they don't look like lumberjacks, nor a GG and that they have a cock?

ask yourself, "would i go for a masculine female?"

if it's a no, then your probably just a cockhound in denial....

I once read somewhere that everbody's sexuality ,male & female is made up from eg 10%hetero 90%homosexual up to 90%hetero10%homo & all point inbetween
I feel different proportions every day!!!!!
I don't want to get drawn into analysing other people but
I think you hit on something there with "would you go for a masculine female"
I consider myself bisexual and find masculine physical traits in some (real)girls I know a big turn on(eg tall, strong jaw, big feet, flat chest narrow hips)
These are the only types of girl I can imagine making love to rather than just fucking

As for transexual/crossdressers unless they are stunningly beautiful, I tend towards the slightly less passable

I must add that where I live & my income make it very unlikely I will ever
find a transexual long term partner so I may eventually settle for a masculine GG who accepts my sexuality(that won't be easy to find either!)
I'll miss having a cock to suck now & again but life's full of compromise

[BellaBellucci]

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[El Nino]

This is the worst and most stupid thread ever to exist

[phobun]

This is the worst and most stupid thread ever to exist
No, you have to go to either the David Icke forums or Abovetopsecret.org, or to a thread you've muddied up in Politics & Religion, to truly appreciate stupidity.

[indeed]

GG. I dont get it? isnt the attraction that it isnt a girl and that it has a tool? If you want close to real looking why not just go after a real GG? the drama of a TS is far heavier IMO.

I dont know what it is about TS's that i love, but i know i do. I dont bottom. I have rarely sucked, true i dont want a masculine TS but needing to be virtually passable doesnt make sense.

Is because of other peoples perception? If thats the case than isnt that a slight to the TS's?

reaction

yes this question also baffles me a lot about what translovers really go for?

do they want a girl who looks as close to a woman or do they want a girl who is the ultimate cross between man and woman (a tsgirl who is easily recognizable as a tsgirl)???

for me because I seem to fall into the second category I think this question is best answerable by what TS attraction is to many transgirl lovers...how do they define what real transsexual beauty is? and for sure there are so many elements that contribute to real transsexual beauty...

Personally i cant explain my attraction. I jut love to screw em, and get downright nasty. however i would never go out in public with a TS. So with that I guess my expectations on how close to a real girl they look is skewed. Again if i want real pussy, i will screw real pussy. Plus i dont get into the "beauty" of a transexual. TS's are just another element that makes the big picture roll. Just like any other person/sexuality.

I just think its hilarious that there are guys who want 100% passable (impossible). I understand that pretty rules, but its not really about that. its so they can live in denial

[rockabilly]

Ok so you screw them but are ashamed to be seen w/ them in public. Thats a pretty skewed outlook indeed. And i think the girls want to be pretty and femminine and whats so bad about that?

[indeed]

Ok so you screw them but are ashamed to be seen w/ them in public. Thats a pretty skewed outlook indeed. And i think the girls want to be pretty and femminine and whats so bad about that?

I know the TS's want to pretty/fem. i get that.

Ashamed? no. Not at all. TS's are clearly a private deal for me. All of us who screw TS's are gay. Period. I deal with that alone. Ashamed though? nah, i just like to hit. I am far more into GG and its not even close. i havent been with a TS in a couple years now. I go in phases. They are like a drug that i occasionally need a fix of

[rockabilly]

Hmmm ok bro , if thats your opinion and outlook than more power to you. I dont agree w/ it but everyone has a right to his or her opinion.

[indeed]

Hmmm ok bro , if thats your opinion and outlook than more power to you. I dont agree w/ it but everyone has a right to his or her opinion.

agree with what? The fact That i like to hit w/out needing wanting any emotional/personal attachment? You know how many TS's i have hit that were probably expecting/wanting the exact same thing.

Or the gay part? its funny how the record player always seems to stop when someone acknowledges that 1+1=2

[rockabilly]

[/quote]

agree with what? The fact That i like to hit w/out needing wanting any emotional/personal attachment? You know how many TS's i have hit that were probably expecting/wanting the exact same thing.

Or the gay part? its funny how the record player always seems to stop when someone acknowledges that 1+1=2[/quote]
Ok but what if she expected more and ended up feeling used. And the gay vs. straight label ... who cares man. :lol:

[phobun]

All of us who screw TS's are gay. Period. I deal with that alone. Ashamed though? nah, i just like to hit.

"I dont get why admirers like TS's to look almost like a real"

You don't understand why the average cockhound wants a TS who looks like a real girl because you are gay by your own admission, and much more of a homosexual than most cockbandits.

[indeed]

Ok but what if she expected more and ended up feeling used. And the gay vs. straight label ... who cares man. :lol:

Yeah ok

the Label? Who cares? Do you date TS's? Do you tell people thats your thing?
Do you disrect the TS's by hiding them?

Who cares? do you

[rockabilly]

Phobun FTW

[nicoleneuman24]

id rather look real anyday sweetie

[Helvis2012]

This is a demented post on several levels, many of which cannot be sufficiently dealt with here. However, considering the author's bewilderment, I would have to say, I'm inclined to think the problem stems from the general idea that the attraction can be defined concretely. The simple truth is that there are many different reasons men are attracted to T-girls. One fellow might like girls with a five o'clock shadow while his buddy goes for the passable types. Everyone is different and everyone has their own turn ons. In the end, what does it really matter, anyway?

[indeed]

id rather look real anyday sweetie

of course you would. I get that.

[TJ347]

All of us who screw TS's are gay. Period. I deal with that alone. Ashamed though? nah, i just like to hit.

"I dont get why admirers like TS's to look almost like a real"

You don't understand why the average cockhound wants a TS who looks like a real girl because you are gay by your own admission, and much more of a homosexual than most cockbandits.

Hilarious, as well as 100% on target. I would be tempted to agree that those who can recognize individual girls by looking at cock pics are gay though, which despite the ambivalence of some to the label is one most men dread. They also resist acknowledging that they'd suck off Dennis Rodman so long as he put on a wig, but I digress.

[TsJANIRA]

It's Ridiculous !!!! Men want a passable Tg so that they could ask them to conceal who they really are , and men also want a Tg who is "Obviously" a Tg?? ....:roll:



There are a Plethora of types of Tg's for you to choose from.


Personally , If a guy wants me to hide who "I AM" , then he aint he "MAN" ENOUGH for me. I am living the life i want and more important being WHO I WANT TO BE , and have sacrificed too much , and have endured tons of ridicule and pain from loved ones / and other people in general just for the sake of being WHO I AM... to have some guy come into my life and ask me to sweep certain aspects of "WHO I AM" under the rug......NEVER!!!!


When it all comes down to it... Passable/ Non- Passable, Beautiful/ Average....... MEN DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT EXACTLY THEY
REALLY WANT!!!!!


Here are some words of wisdom to ease your minds ladies-

“As long as you know men are like children, you know everything!"” - Gabrielle Bonheur "Coco" Chanel






AMEN!

[buckjohnson]

As I read thru this thread several common scenes/themes and or acts played themselves out and prob represented a true pic of the posters personality. BB overreacted and over analyzed, indeed just want to fuck and want to be cosign that the main attraction for a TS is the cock, rockabilly sucked up and phobun is a psychotic in a truly sexy way.

My op, folks just want to fuck and who knows what evolution and genetic drive is the cause of it. I have fucked almost every race and type of female, some for frivolous reason and some for romantic reasons and some for a pure physical attraction and some because for some reason the relationship headed toward becoming sexual. As for wanting passable TS, I think if you are willing to expose yourself to the most personal and intimate act a person can do, it should never be under false premises. And I think some of indeed's comments and theories border on misogyny, hypocrisy, and denial.

[blackrob]

I'm sorry. I'll try to be more masculine from now on so that chasers will want me.

Some of us just want to be ourselves and not be told how masculine or feminine we're expected to be. What's the point of transitioning if you still let everyone else define you?

~BB~


Im thinking that guy might be more into men

[Nicole Dupre]

How do you know about that? lol

[blackrob]

How do you know about that? lol


Nicole I don't know baby but seems like you kinda stalking me you wanna put that toy aside and have me put some real meat in that ass??? lol