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[raybbaby]

Really, if you're feeling good, or if you're even just mediocre, you should turn back now. I need to "vent", only that's something I need to do when I'm angry, and I'm not nearly so angry as I am just kinda bummed out. Seriously, stop reading now.

In early January, I moved to the San Fernando valley, affectionately known as "porn Valley" at least by those with an affection for porn. I had a pretty fair chunk of change to live on while I "broke in" and became an established male performer. I have had many an adventure and also misadventure in the past six months. Unfortunately, I haven't really established myself. My money has run out, and I'm gonna have to move back to un-sunny Washington. It's a big time bummer.

I thought I was willing to do anything to stay here and keep pursuing "the dream", but it turns out I have some limits. (who knew) I was talking to a gay porn director about possibly doing some work, but as we started to hash out the details, it occured to me there's pretty much no fuckin' way I will ever be able to do that. I had talked myself into doing what had to be done, but there's just no way. At least I recognized it before I got on set and wrecked a whole shoot.

Anyways, that's my big sad story, and yes, I do feel a bit better now. I guess at least I took the chance and rolled the dice. And I did have a lot of fun. Back to the salt mines for now.

[Dirky]

Hey, at least you gave it a shot. Most guys fantasize about being in porn but are too chicken to actually pursue it. I admire your guts. Who knows what's in store for you in the future? Just because you ran out of funds doesn't mean you can't rebound from it and give it another go.

[rockabilly]

Dude that sucks , but you had sex w/ Hazel Tucker ! HAZEL TUCKER dude thats like my dream goal and you did it. At least you got your shot ( pun not intended ) some of us never will ... HAZEL TUCKER! Good luck though Ray ...

sidenote - sex is not the only thing i would like w/ Hazel ... i would like a ltr and marriage ... love and be loved.

[WendyWilliams]

Have you contacted the following Producers for work?

Joey Silveria
Sammy at shemalestrokers
Steve at Devils
Nick or Isa at Shemale-Club

[timebomb]

Dude honestly I am glad you didn't take the dive into gay porn. Sometimes they say that there is a price for everything. But for a dude who is not gay, I don't think there is a price on your dignity. You could have taken the money, but you stuck by and decided its not for you.

Best of luck bro. And at least we can't make fun of you for taken "one for the team" if you know what I mean ;-)

[BellaBellucci]

Have you contacted the following Producers for work?

Joey Silveria
Sammy at shemalestrokers
Steve at Devils
Nick or Isa at Shemale-Club

I for one have been going crazy trying to find their contact info. Well, except for Isa. These are not easy people to get a hold of. Any suggestions?

~BB~

[tsmandy]

Sorry to hear this Ray.

Couldn't find much straight work either I'm assuming? You should try the directors that Wendy suggested, there are more companies to work for than just grooby.

What about the agencies? Did you try any of them?

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

Hey, at least you gave it a shot. Most guys fantasize about being in porn but are too chicken to actually pursue it. I admire your guts. Who knows what's in store for you in the future? Just because you ran out of funds doesn't mean you can't rebound from it and give it another go.

Said what I was gonna say, well fuckin done

best of luck to you dude, and worse come to worse you can always be a bouncer temporarily in NYC

[raybbaby]

I tried a few agencies, they don't really wanna talk to you unless you've got a fairly long list of shoots, I'd say at least 50 scenes. I've done maybe 10, and that's if you include bukkake and the great American suck off, which are hardly "scenes". And producers/production companies get mobbed by dudes like me all day long, so much so I actually feel sorry for whoever answers the phones and email. I guess I haven't really failed at much, or at least not as completely as I have at this. It fuckin' really smarts!

[GroobySteven]

Sorry to hear that Ray.
We get a load of guys contacting us asking for work and I usually advise them, if they're in the areas that we shoot hardcore (Vegas, Florida, NYC and LA) then we can probably use them but very few actually come through.
I also usually mention that it would be near to impossible to make a good living doing TS only porn (as a male performer) - companies like Grooby only needs about 12 US hardcores a month, the other production companies mentioned probably around the same or less ... so figure if your in LA maybe 40 hardcore scenes a month or less (given hardcores aren't only shot in LA) and they don't want to all use the same guy.
As you said, at least you give it a shot and kept your integrity to what you wanted to do.

[WendyWilliams]

Well most producers dont want every person on the net having email addresses however if you send me your stage name, stats, current photos of face body etcc, contact info (cell and email) and what you are into I will forward the info to the said above producers.

As far as the "straight" side you have to be careful how you market yourself. Dont use ts porn as a reference as sadly you would loose more work than get!

I know right now its just slow period with productions (atleast for me).

If you get that into to me Ray Ill forward it for you!!
hotwendywilliams@aol.com

[raybbaby]

Dude honestly I am glad you didn't take the dive into gay porn. Sometimes they say that there is a price for everything. But for a dude who is not gay, I don't think there is a price on your dignity. You could have taken the money, but you stuck by and decided its not for you.


Yeah, before moving to LA I had never even talked to a TGgirl. After dating one for a month, I started to think maybe sexual preference could be a more fluid, or at least bendable thing. But I know now an attraction to TGgirls is of course absolutely hetero. When that director started asking "do you think you could be into this, or possibly this, or maybe that" I jusy knew there was no way in hell I could ever do that stuff with another man. Maybe when I was younger or something. Then again, maybe not. I just do not dig men. Yech!

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Why not get a day job like most aspiring actors i.e. waiting tables, go go dancing, webcamming and even escorting etc. amongst other things..while in between looking for projects? Won't you hate moving back home somewhat a failure? I mean this is your dream isn't it? To become a porn star? You're already here and got your foot in the door..might as well swim with the sharks if I were you! The only way is forward, not back. ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[rockabilly]

Hara has a point , lots of actors were waiters , bartenders , and worked in ... retail before making it big.

[raybbaby]

Thanks to everyone for their encouragement and especially Wendy for her help! I should have come whining around in here months ago!

[raybbaby]

Why not get a day job like most aspiring actors i.e. waiting tables, go go dancing, webcamming and even escorting etc. amongst other things..while in between looking for projects? Won't you hate moving back home somewhat a failure? I mean this is your dream isn't it? To become a porn star? You're already here and got your foot in the door..might as well swim with the sharks if I were you! The only way is forward, not back. ;)

~Kisses.

HTG
you almost have to get a night job, as most shoots happen in the afternoon. It's not uncommon for a shoot to go from 11:00 AM until 5 or 6 at night, so it's tuff to schedule around it.

[Dirky]

Another thing Ray, you've only been at it for six months. Six months is not exactly a long time to establish yourself in the adult film industry especially with all the competition. I'm sure each and every one of the ladies who post here and also work in porn have had setbacks too. They probably felt like quitting many times too but stuck with it. I'll second the suggestion that you try to get a job so you'll have a steady income and continue to try to find work in porn on the side.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Why not get a day job like most aspiring actors i.e. waiting tables, go go dancing, webcamming and even escorting etc. amongst other things..while in between looking for projects? Won't you hate moving back home somewhat a failure? I mean this is your dream isn't it? To become a porn star? You're already here and got your foot in the door..might as well swim with the sharks if I were you! The only way is forward, not back. ;)

~Kisses.

HTG
you almost have to get a night job, as most shoots happen in the afternoon. It's not uncommon for a shoot to go from 11:00 AM until 5 or 6 at night, so it's tuff to schedule around it.

Th Fairfax district has a lot of bars and clubs. I'm sure you could get a job there as a bouncer, bartender or go go dancer. Clubs and bars open at nights! That's one idea. lol Who know's you might meet some rich matron-fag hag lady over there?!? This is LA after all. ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[rockabilly]

Get a sugarmomma.

[phobun]

But I know now an attraction to TGgirls is of course absolutely hetero.

Yes, the guys into TGgirls are absolutely without a doubt 100% heterogeneous in sexual orientation.

[raybbaby]

But I know now an attraction to TGgirls is of course absolutely hetero.

Yes, the guys into TGgirls are absolutely without a doubt 100% heterogeneous in sexual orientation.
Does heterogeneous mean straight and really smart?

[blonde_sweetheart]

I feel really bad for you!!! I feel like you should stick it out..your already there with some scenes under your belt so why not! Its your dream..i say stick it out and keep trying for it!! Your certainly hot and you dont seem like a douchebag :)))

[raybbaby]

I feel really bad for you!!! I feel like you should stick it out..your already there with some scenes under your belt so why not! Its your dream..i say stick it out and keep trying for it!! Your certainly hot and you dont seem like a douchebag :)))
Thanks, but sticking it out is not an option if there's no money for food, gas or groceries! When you're whooped, you're whooped. I've been hawking guitars and cashing in change jars just to get by.

[phobun]

But I know now an attraction to TGgirls is of course absolutely hetero.

Yes, the guys into TGgirls are absolutely without a doubt 100% heterogeneous in sexual orientation.
Does heterogeneous mean straight and really smart?

Neither, it means varied, but it works with hetero. I believe that some guys who are into Tgirls are gay, some bisexual and some straight. Probably the rougher sorts and hairy TVs and CDs are of more interest to gays on one end of the spectrum, while the post-ops are going to be more likely to appeal to straight guys.

Anyway, I hope a great opportunity comes along for you.

[tsmandy]

Get out of LA while you still can. That's my advice. You know Sammy from Shemale Strokers shoots stuff in Seattle frequently, I bet you could come on back to an occasional gig working for him if you proved yourself, not much in the way of male talent up here in the PNW.

If you could get over not wanting to bottom you could probably get work at TSSeduction as well.

It's prettier up here, the air is fresh and clean :)

[raybbaby]

Get out of LA while you still can. That's my advice. You know Sammy from Shemale Strokers shoots stuff in Seattle frequently, I bet you could come on back to an occasional gig working for him if you proved yourself, not much in the way of male talent up here in the PNW.

If you could get over not wanting to bottom you could probably get work at TSSeduction as well.

It's prettier up here, the air is fresh and clean :)
I know Mandy, but it's sooo boring there. As much as you hate LA, I love it. I cannot stand the thought of living in the PNW anymore. 38 years is enough. Maybe in another 10 years or something.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

I feel really bad for you!!! I feel like you should stick it out..your already there with some scenes under your belt so why not! Its your dream..i say stick it out and keep trying for it!! Your certainly hot and you dont seem like a douchebag :)))
Thanks, but sticking it out is not an option if there's no money for food, gas or groceries! When you're whooped, you're whooped. I've been hawking guitars and cashing in change jars just to get by.

Like I said previously, try and get a day job while waiting for porn bookings. So porn is shot during the day..I'm sure IF you gotten a day job you can call in sick or have a co-worker cover your shift or trade shifts with. If your attitude and way of thinking is to wait or look for a job at night - that's stupid. You're limiting yourself to other possible options. It's not like you'll be shooting porn everyday, right?

Lets face it, our economy isn't that great to begin with. But if illegal Mexicans without a social security numbers can get a job so can you! I think you need a thicker skin and not be picky in terms of jobs you could get. I mean, IF you're eyes are really set on the prize (of doing porn and becoming a porn star) You'll have to make do with what is there for you for the time being. If you start being negative and pessimistic about opportunities the more it will shy away from you. Think about it..when will you ever get back doing porn again if you moved back to Washington? 38 is not 24..Strike while you're still at it. Or you might just missed your boat. My final 2 cents!

~Kisses.

HTG

[tsmandy]

Get out of LA while you still can. That's my advice. You know Sammy from Shemale Strokers shoots stuff in Seattle frequently, I bet you could come on back to an occasional gig working for him if you proved yourself, not much in the way of male talent up here in the PNW.

If you could get over not wanting to bottom you could probably get work at TSSeduction as well.

It's prettier up here, the air is fresh and clean :)
I know Mandy, but it's sooo boring there. As much as you hate LA, I love it. I cannot stand the thought of living in the PNW anymore. 38 years is enough. Maybe in another 10 years or something.

Never take anything I say literallly, I'm often not sure whether I'm being serious or not. Some nights I think I'll go insane if I have to spend another week up here, and decide I'm moving back to California, and then other times I can't imagine ever leaving.

If you want to stay in LA, and you want to do porn, you have to find a side job. Work as a bouncer at a strip club, get a job as a security guard, valet, and do what you have to do. We all have to hustle. Hopefully after another six months things will be really different for you.

Before you give up you should at least give the scenes you shot time to get released, so people get to know you.

[raybbaby]

I think you're right, but I should have been on the stick about it a couple months ago.

[shemale-411]

Raybbaby:
Get a job. Any job.

I followed my dream to L.A. 11 years ago. I worked my ass off. I didnt have a car, rode a mountain bike from Hollywood to Canoga Park 5 days a week to be system operator in a live cam place. ( There was no Red Line under Cahuenga pass back then) When I wasnt doing that, I was doing shipping at a pantyhose fetish place. Then when the day was over, I still had that long ride back home.

Your destination is slightly different than mine was, but I ended up doing videos, ghost writing a book, webmastering for the most famous dominatrix at the time, amongst other things. There were days I didnt know where I would get something to eat, but I couldnt imagine quiting.

I could be wrong, but I don't think you will ever get rich being male talent In TS films. But you have already broken in, and you say its your dream. So get a job, get two jobs. Network, go to gigs, and live your dreams and do shoots when they come up.

Good luck whatever you decide!

[Felicia Katt]

hang (or be hung) in there Ray :) unless you have a solid job to move back to, work is work and you might as well work where you want to also play.

FK

[Jericho]

Stand out from the crowd...Shave yer head, get a whiny voice, grow a goatee...Oh wait, that gig's taken. :shrug
Kudos for having the balls to follow a dream, but, kinda limited shelf life anyway, don't ya think?
Congratulations, you made it happen, time to get another dream.

[alyssats]

Wow the porn in US seems to be such a big industry. Ive read somewhere that even in the internet around 90-98% of websites re porn related.

Raybabby you seem to be a very nice cool guy just keep on trying and trying with your attitude theres a big chance for you in the adult industry.

[raybbaby]

Raybabby you seem to be a very nice cool guy just keep on trying and trying with your attitude theres a big chance for you in the adult industry.
Aww, thanks, I'm afraid you're not judged by your attitude in this business though......

[rockabilly]

There is money to be made on the internet , web cams , and such.

[alyssats]

Raybabby you seem to be a very nice cool guy just keep on trying and trying with your attitude theres a big chance for you in the adult industry.
Aww, thanks, I'm afraid you're not judged by your attitude in this business though......

I see I taught if a person have attitude and attitude problems most people may not book him/her because of her/his attitude?

[alyssats]

There is money to be made on the internet , web cams , and such.

good idea most of my TS friends do webcam shows they do earn a lot. Even their bf also do webcam show but not too much earning on their end but if they do couple scenes more money jeje

[BLKGSXR]

There is money to be made on the internet , web cams , and such.its called Niteflirt. -_-

[Quiet Reflections]

sorry to hear that bro. Good luck with whatever you end up doing.

[raybbaby]

Well, nothing seems to be happening. If you are unaware, "talent" (meaning performers) have to get an STD screen every thirty days. My current one runs out Sunday and I have no plans to renew it. Some people, some from LA and some who've never lived here, hate it, and wonder what the hell a person would move here for. But I loved it. Sadder to leave here than I was leaving my little hometown 7 months ago.

[Star Angel 86]

Well, nothing seems to be happening. If you are unaware, "talent" (meaning performers) have to get an STD screen every thirty days. My current one runs out Sunday and I have no plans to renew it. Some people, some from LA and some who've never lived here, hate it, and wonder what the hell a person would move here for. But I loved it. Sadder to leave here than I was leaving my little hometown 7 months ago.

This I can totally relate to having lived in Los Angeles for 23 of my 44 years of existence.Once you live in LA you find yourself getting accustomed to that lifestyle and it is truly hard to get over.With me my so called luck ran out in 2004 I had to pack up all my personal belongings and then arrange to have a moving company move everything cross country.I know this isn't what you want here right now,but everything does happen for a reason.I know at this moment there really is no right answer.All I can suggest is try and keep a positive attitude.Try to think about all the good things that hometown you came from has to offer you.Also remember you're not leaving LA a failure you did quite well for yourself,you got to pursue your dream which more than a lot people can say.Los Angeles is tough in general no matter what you do because there is so much competion.So many people go there to pursue their dreams.

[tsbrenda]

took off doing porn

was doing really well then crash and burn

they were on top and in demand and like a few years later


business is down demand has gotten to an all time low


LA,CALIF use to have a very high demand for ts porn and magazines then

everything changed here in Hollywood



Sorry to hear that Ray.
We get a load of guys contacting us asking for work and I usually advise them, if they're in the areas that we shoot hardcore (Vegas, Florida, NYC and LA) then we can probably use them but very few actually come through.
I also usually mention that it would be near to impossible to make a good living doing TS only porn (as a male performer) - companies like Grooby only needs about 12 US hardcores a month, the other production companies mentioned probably around the same or less ... so figure if your in LA maybe 40 hardcore scenes a month or less (given hardcores aren't only shot in LA) and they don't want to all use the same guy.
As you said, at least you give it a shot and kept your integrity to what you wanted to do.

[2009AD]

took off doing porn

was doing really well then crash and burn

they were on top and in demand and like a few years later


business is down demand has gotten to an all time low


LA,CALIF use to have a very high demand for ts porn and magazines then

everything changed here in Hollywood

Uh? :?:

[HP1000]

Ray, I've read some of your posts and you're a very smart guy with an All American type attitude like "Apple Pies and Chevrolets"

I just don't see how how a guy in the porn industry can make a fortune making $800-$1200 per shoot in an adult theatre.

I think this industry is more focused on the rising shemale stars and not men.

You're a talented guy and I wish you the best!


HP1000

[droog]

...

[AmyDaly]

Don't go, Ray. Ever think about getting a job as an tv/film extra? It doesn't may much, but its good untill you can get a real job and do porn on the side.

[raybbaby]

OK, just an update, Thank you to everyone for your help and encouragement. I actually got a call to do a shoot this past Saturday, so that will pay for a fresh AIM test, and gas and groceries for another week. Now if I can get some more shoots this week, I'll be stoked. Should be able to, my scene Saturday went pretty well, the director and the female talent seemed really pleased. so, there is still some hope for me....

[rockabilly]

See , Take it day by day. Good for you bro. :)

[Dirky]

OK, just an update, Thank you to everyone for your help and encouragement. I actually got a call to do a shoot this past Saturday, so that will pay for a fresh AIM test, and gas and groceries for another week. Now if I can get some more shoots this week, I'll be stoked. Should be able to, my scene Saturday went pretty well, the director and the female talent seemed really pleased. so, there is still some hope for me....

Great news, Ray. 8)

[rockabilly]

heres a thought , I think Amy mentioned being an extra but how about stunt work? :shrug:

[TheGuard]

Can't you pick up a side job between shoots. Production assistant, waiter, extra, grip?

[Felicia Katt]

good for you, Ray :)

FK

[raybbaby]

heres a thought , I think Amy mentioned being an extra but how about stunt work? :shrug:
Well, it's a matter of me standing by my values. I do all my own stunts, and why shouldn't everyone else? I mean take some responsibility all you "Hollywood tough guys". When it's all said and done, it'll be just me and Jackie Chan standing atop a veritable mountain of pretenders.