Senate passes 600 billion dollar healthcare overhaul

[deee757]

Dont know where the money is coming from, but it sounds good.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_overhaul

[El Nino]

What do you mean you don't know where the money is coming from?

[deee757]

What do you mean you don't know where the money is coming from?

"But ranking Republican Sen. Mike Enzi of Wyoming argued that the bill would break Obama's promises by adding to the deficit."

Dont see where 600 billion dollars appears out of thin air and does not raise the deficit that Obama has pledged to thin within his first term. I think Sen. Enzi has a point.

[Nicole Dupre]

The economy is already a nightmare. If we're going to spend money that we don't have, let's spend it on our health. Young men and women coming back from the Middle East wishing they were dead is more than enough of a disgrace. Btw, fuck the pharm. co's and the ins. co's HARD in their culos. Overall, they are both fat, greedy vultures.

[Quiet Reflections]

What do you mean you don't know where the money is coming from?

"But ranking Republican Sen. Mike Enzi of Wyoming argued that the bill would break Obama's promises by adding to the deficit."

Dont see where 600 billion dollars appears out of thin air and does not raise the deficit that Obama has pledged to thin within his first term. I think Sen. Enzi has a point.
he has 3 1/2 years left in his first term. he can raise it up some now and still have time to thin it there is still quite some time left before 2012. Did you really think everything was going to be fixed by either candidate in 6 months?really?Alarmists trip me out

[El Nino]

The money is going to be printed out of thin AIR by the private 'Federal' Reserve, loaned to the government with a heavy interest and you and your grandchildren's children will be attempting to pay for it (just like America's Wars)... and as we strggle to pay these taxes, certain individuals will be getting rich from them. Don't you understand how this Country works nowadays? No taxation without representation, my ass. Bow down and kiss your masters asses, slaves!

[SarahG]

The economy is already a nightmare. If we're going to spend money that we don't have, let's spend it on our health. Young men and women coming back from the Middle East wishing they were dead is more than enough of a disgrace. Btw, fuck the pharm. co's and the ins. co's HARD in their culos. Overall, they are both fat, greedy vultures.\


Actually some of the big hospitals and pharmaceuticals want the overhaul because it would effectively give them a monopoly by making it too hard for new companies or small companies to prosper in the industry.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090713/us_time/08599190994600

[raybbaby]

this doesn't sound like it has in fact passed, just simply "made it out od commitee" or whatever. I pay relatively close attention to politics, and it will be a big fight and ongoing news story for weeks when it comes time to do this. I myself would love to see single payer health care, but it ain't gonna happen, not any time soon. So while this thing kinda sucks, it's a damn sight better than doing nothing.

[SarahG]

this doesn't sound like it has in fact passed, just simply "made it out od commitee" or whatever. I pay relatively close attention to politics, and it will be a big fight and ongoing news story for weeks when it comes time to do this. I myself would love to see single payer health care, but it ain't gonna happen, not any time soon. So while this thing kinda sucks, it's a damn sight better than doing nothing.

That would depend on what they end up designing.

It would actually be fairly easy to make a health care system worse then what we already have.

[El Nino]

The economy is already a nightmare. If we're going to spend money that we don't have, let's spend it on our health. Young men and women coming back from the Middle East wishing they were dead is more than enough of a disgrace. Btw, fuck the pharm. co's and the ins. co's HARD in their culos. Overall, they are both fat, greedy vultures.
Agreed

[fred41]

this doesn't sound like it has in fact passed, just simply "made it out od commitee" or whatever. I pay relatively close attention to politics, and it will be a big fight and ongoing news story for weeks when it comes time to do this. I myself would love to see single payer health care, but it ain't gonna happen, not any time soon. So while this thing kinda sucks, it's a damn sight better than doing nothing.

That would depend on what they end up designing.

It would actually be fairly easy to make a health care system worse then what we already have.

Agreed.

[UirCelLanAd]

In my opinion (as a doctor) any form of government healthcare is a huge mistake. It would kill progress in the medical field (the US currently accounts for 90% of the progress in the field due to our free market system). Also, just take a look at the systems in Canada and the UK, if you are being honest with yourself they are terrible. Death due to cancer are through the rough their because people cannot get the care they need and the average wait in an ER in Canada is 23 hours (I man just died recently because he was forced to wait 34 hours in an ER with a serious injury). Our healthcare system needs to be fixed but government intervention is not the solution.

Nothing produced by one man (ex. healthcare) can be the right of another, otherwise you condemn the first man to slave labor.

[SarahG]

In my opinion (as a doctor) any form of government healthcare is a huge mistake. It would kill progress in the medical field (the US currently accounts for 90% of the progress in the field due to our free market system). Also, just take a look at the systems in Canada and the UK, if you are being honest with yourself they are terrible. Death due to cancer are through the rough their because people cannot get the care they need and the average wait in an ER in Canada is 23 hours (I man just died recently because he was forced to wait 34 hours in an ER with a serious injury). Our healthcare system needs to be fixed but government intervention is not the solution.

Nothing produced by one man (ex. healthcare) can be the right of another, otherwise you condemn the first man to slave labor.

People die in our hospitals all the time waiting to get into the ER, otherwise I agree with pretty much everything you mention here.

Not only does one-payer aim to stifle competition and medical breakthroughs, but it also risks making socially controversial treatments further out of economic reach.

More then a dozen democrats in congress have already come forward saying that they will REFUSE to vote for any single payer system that allows people to purchase programs that would cover abortions. This is a problem when most people who pay for abortions in the US, do so using private health care networks, insurance options that employers would have less incentive to provide if people could simply use a tax credit to purchase their own policy.

Needless to say, these politicians probably would feel the same way about contraceptives, certain std treatments, and trans health care (while surgeries usually aren't covered, hrt usually is, and therapy frequently is).

In the United States, the gov has never been able to successfully run any kind of health care scheme without somehow trying to play morality enforcement at the same time. Do you want to be able to decide how your health is treated, or do you want government bureaucrats deciding it all for you?

At least private health care providers have no incentive to try to play morality enforcement, they don't give a shit whether or not you want an abortion, and they don't have their employment determined by biased religious nutjobs who would vote them out of office for providing such coverage...

[Justawannabe]

So there should also be no right to food or shelter or education either, as those are produced.

No right to protection under the law, as police protection is a product of men.

No right to legal representation, as legal advise is a product.

Damn, I know a lot of slaves it seems....

Equating a significant base level of health care under government administration to slavery is blatantly misrepresenting the issue. The government is not taking away your product, it is setting limits on what you can market as health care inside it's own boundaries.

We have done this with any number of private services over time when the market causes the service or product to be distributed in a way that becomes damaging to the general welfare. All the services listed above were at one point or another exclusively private enterprises. All of them continue to be private enterprises, though the government has taken over the bulk of the job in some cases.

Folks need to stop equating government entry into the health care field with the demise of private health care or progress.

[Silcc69]

Supply and demand.........

[droog]

i digress... http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=46880&highlight=

[BLKGSXR]

Well money is technically printed on cotton-So went sent blkhaze into the boonies Lmfao had to...I say they are nitpicking as much money from schools-road reconstruction-etc...

[addicted]

Its all a scam more money being pocketed by the man(pharmicutical fat cats) There will be no improvement and there will never be universal healthcare for all as long as wall street runs america.

I call for experimental drug usage on every politician and member of wallstreet.

[deee757]

Lol, guess that was his contribution to the thread, lol

[trish]

Don't be too hard on the doctor, Justwannabe; he's committed to the hypocrite's oath.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Dear Mr President, I just want a million. Put Kelly Shore on that list thank you :)

[El Nino]

You deserve it Kelly