Michael Jackson dancer turned Post Op

[Nautica]

Um.. Please save your ^&*%, worthless comments.

Anyone have info on the Michael Jackson dancer from 'Beat It or Bad' who was on the Oprah Winfrey Show (Late 80's or early 90's I think) that had the sex change? I have googled my azz off. I was a baby, but I remember that show and can't believe google isn't showing anything on it. Strangely enough, I was going to ask this a few days before M.J. passed away.

[BrendaQG]

I have a similar idea for you. Consider the following....

Was Michael Jackson a Castrato? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castrato)

Back in Italy France and other places where they like opera they would take certain boys who sang well and castrate them. To preserve the pitch of their singing voice and as they would grow their voice would become unlike that of a male or female singer. They sang as what would be called a Mesosoprano...certain women can sing their roles (i.e. Carmen from the opera by the same name). Their voices were described as "otherworldly".

Take all of that in and think about it. Could Michael have been castrated or suffered some aliment which did basically the same thing (i.e. the autoimmune condition which caused his skin to radically lightened.)

As we all know a male voice does not sound that way.

[Solitary Brother]

Your not talking about Jeffrey Daniel are you?

[Nautica]

Um.. I don't know about this CASTRATO thing and don't think I care to look furthur into it. Maybe you can make a new post for that.


Jeffrey Daniel. I wonder. I don't remember the name, but I'm going to go and look that up.

[MacShreach]

As we all know a male voice does not sound that way.

It's called "falsetto." Anyone can do it. You probably did it yourself on occasion.

[MacShreach]

Your not talking about Jeffrey Daniel are you?

More likely his brother, Jack.

[Nautica]

That Jeffrey looks effeminate in some of his pics and sounds a little effeminate in his voice undertones in this video. I wonder if that's the person. I thought M.J. created the moonwalk. It dates back to 1943 and earlier.


http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-FuAp4p2_PHE/michael_jackson_jeffrey_daniel_the_story_of_the_mo onwalk/

1 of the original moonwalks (skip to 18seconds):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HW-1pKkvO8

[BrendaQG]

Nautica I'm not trying to hijack your thread. I was going to creat my own thread on this.... but yours is just so simmilar. Think about the reasons you could even write of him as a post op?

He was not fully masculinized.
He had a very high voice and delicate features.
His feminine way, utter lack of muscle, and seeming lack of real sexual interest or ability with women.

If he had a glandular problem all of his particular features could be explained save for his skin color and of course raw talent and ability born of hard work.





As we all know a male voice does not sound that way.

It's called "falsetto." Anyone can do it. You probably did it yourself on occasion.

No what Tiny Tim sang was falsetto. (for example, him singing tip toe through the tulips. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skU-jBFzXl0&feature=related)) What Jackson did was sing in a range two octaves above even that with a felixbility and power that is not chracteristic of falsetto. for example"Working day and nite" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZJH2MGJffw). Compare that to falsetto Tiny Tim who more or less whines a single high note. Michael was a Soprano or Messo Soprano all his life. That doesn't just happen.

[Nautica]

There is a thread that asks if M.J. was TS here>>

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=46547

[SarahG]

(i.e. the autoimmune condition which caused his skin to radically lightened.)


You mean bleach?

[Floyd R]

You mean Vitiligo?



(i.e. the autoimmune condition which caused his skin to radically lightened.)


You mean bleach?

[SarahG]

You mean Vitiligo?



(i.e. the autoimmune condition which caused his skin to radically lightened.)


You mean bleach?

Vitiligo? That wouldn't turn his entire body that white. Vitiligo is a condition of localized patches without pigment.

[alyssats]

so is it really vitiligo that causes him to make his skin white? or he just really want to have a white skin?

honestly me too im thinking he might have a post op or castration surgery he seems to be the type of guy who will do that :roll:

[Nautica]

UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM......................... This thread is about a BACKUP DANCER that is now M2F.

:.)

[Floyd R]

Actually vitiligo can exist as a condition that is localized or generalized.

Here's my proof:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/2007-12-16-vitiligo_N.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mycW3o1R9fk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZGA9gEysHc&feature=related

http://maipecanswirl.blogspot.com/2008/06/today-im-featuring-my-new-friend-lucy.html



You mean Vitiligo?



(i.e. the autoimmune condition which caused his skin to radically lightened.)


You mean bleach?

Vitiligo? That wouldn't turn his entire body that white. Vitiligo is a condition of localized patches without pigment.

[SarahG]

Actually vitiligo can exist as a condition that is localized or generalized.

Here's my proof:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/2007-12-16-vitiligo_N.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mycW3o1R9fk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZGA9gEysHc&feature=related

http://maipecanswirl.blogspot.com/2008/06/today-im-featuring-my-new-friend-lucy.html



You mean Vitiligo?



(i.e. the autoimmune condition which caused his skin to radically lightened.)


You mean bleach?

Vitiligo? That wouldn't turn his entire body that white. Vitiligo is a condition of localized patches without pigment.

I stand corrected, I've never heard of it actually growing to the point of covering all of someone's skin.

[giovanni_hotel]

Who thinks MJ really had vitiligo??

That was just a cover story for the bleaching treatment he'd been given by plastic surgeons.

[Steve-Oh]

Interesting topic, Nautica.
I'm interested in finding out who this person is.
Meanwhile......

[francisfkudrow]

Michael Jackson did have vitiligo, but I believe it was uneven (as I think it usually is) and he decided to artificially lighten the rest of his skin instead of darkening the areas that lost pigment.

[Nautica]

Interesting topic, Nautica.
I'm interested in finding out who this person is.
Meanwhile......


LOL! Just.. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :roll: :roll:

I thought I was clear with my posting. This thread has gone from cutting off balls to bleaching with benoquin or monobenzone.

It's so easy to start a new post for that other stuff.

[BrendaQG]

You mean Vitiligo?



(i.e. the autoimmune condition which caused his skin to radically lightened.)


You mean bleach?

Vitiligo? That wouldn't turn his entire body that white. Vitiligo is a condition of localized patches without pigment.

One way to treat vitiligo is to graft skin in order to make the tone more even. If the vitiligo was strong enough to make so much skin white, it would make sense to just go white. This grafting of skin would explain all of his plastic surgery, his need for pain pills, and his appearance. An autoimune disease causing it would explain the persistence of the lightening. The severity of the autoimune disease would explain why he was so sickly (like an aids patient but without HIV. But in his case his immune system is attacking him), and why he had the voice of a male messo soprano.

Riccardo Muti maestro of Rome's symphony makes the same observation.
This is a google translation of the page. (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.corriere.it%2Fspettacoli%2F09_g iugno_27%2Fgrande_come_farinelli_33634b46-62f4-11de-ac0d-00144f02aabc.shtml&sl=it&tl=en&history_state0=)

Come Farinelli e altri interpreti
del barocco: vittima di eccessi»
«La sua irrequietezza mi fa pensare alle vicende dei grandi castrati (http://www.corriere.it/spettacoli/09_giugno_27/grande_come_farinelli_33634b46-62f4-11de-ac0d-00144f02aabc.shtml)

[BrendaQG]

Interesting topic, Nautica.
I'm interested in finding out who this person is.
Meanwhile......


LOL! Just.. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :roll: :roll:

I thought I was clear with my posting. This thread has gone from cutting off balls to bleaching with benoquin or monobenzone.

It's so easy to start a new post for that other stuff.

I honestly thought you were talking about Michael. Sorry.

[2009AD]

Way to hijack Nautica's thread Hontas. :roll:





One way to treat vitiligo is to graft skin in order to make the tone more even. If the vitiligo was strong enough to make so much skin white, it would make sense to just go white. This grafting of skin would explain all of his plastic surgery, his need for pain pills, and his appearance. An autoimune disease causing it would explain the persistence of the lightening. The severity of the autoimune disease would explain why he was so sickly (like an aids patient but without HIV. But in his case his immune system is attacking him), and why he had the voice of a male messo soprano.

Riccardo Muti maestro of Rome's symphony makes the same observation.
This is a google translation of the page. (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.corriere.it%2Fspettacoli%2F09_g iugno_27%2Fgrande_come_farinelli_33634b46-62f4-11de-ac0d-00144f02aabc.shtml&sl=it&tl=en&history_state0=)

Come Farinelli e altri interpreti
del barocco: vittima di eccessi»
«La sua irrequietezza mi fa pensare alle vicende dei grandi castrati (http://www.corriere.it/spettacoli/09_giugno_27/grande_come_farinelli_33634b46-62f4-11de-ac0d-00144f02aabc.shtml)



I honestly thought you were talking about Michael. Sorry.

Uh? It was clear from the start that the was talking about an MJ imitator.

[MacShreach]

No what Tiny Tim sang was falsetto. (for example, him singing tip toe through the tulips. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skU-jBFzXl0&feature=related)) What Jackson did was sing in a range two octaves above even that with a felixbility and power that is not chracteristic of falsetto. for example"Working day and nite" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZJH2MGJffw). Compare that to falsetto Tiny Tim who more or less whines a single high note. Michael was a Soprano or Messo (sic) Soprano all his life. That doesn't just happen.

Sorry, you're wrong.

Falsetto is produced by the maximal elongation of vocal cords with minimal glottic gap. It can be produced at almost any frequency, but is mostly produced in the upper range for both male and female voices. Originally castrati (castrated males) sang the higher parts when women were not allowed to sing in churches; castrati have unbroken voices. Falsetto, meaning "false voice" was so named when uncastrated men were used to sing these parts.

Jackson was NOT a "Soprano or Messo (sic) Soprano," ever.That would have been impossible, since he was a man, and these are uniquely female voices.

Technically speaking, Michael Jackson, along with many other male singers, eg Robert Plant and Meatloaf, was a countertenor. This is a male voice which occupies the tonal range of the female contralto, up to soprano. It became popular in the 17th century, as the practise of cutting off little boy's bollocks to make the castrati, ran into problems. (Although castrati did exist in the 19th C)


Countertenors use the falsetto for the upper part of their range at least, although they may use chest voice for the lower register--the trick being, then, the modulation between the two, without yodelling. More difficult than it sounds.

Some people speak in falsetto all the time (as well as sing) and it accounts for a certain thin, reedy quality in the spoken voice, which is not always obvious in the singing voice, where the singer is applying more breath control. MJ's spoken voice exhibited these qualities.

Falsetto is widely used in both classical and popular music and to write it off as being "what Tiny Tim did," is BS. Sorry, typical.

[MacShreach]

Sorry, Nautica, I got drawn into Brenda's BS. My apologies.

[yodajazz]

Um.. Please save your ^&*%, worthless comments.

Anyone have info on the Michael Jackson dancer from 'Beat It or Bad' who was on the Oprah Winfrey Show (Late 80's or early 90's I think) that had the sex change? I have googled my azz off. I was a baby, but I remember that show and can't believe google isn't showing anything on it. Strangely enough, I was going to ask this a few days before M.J. passed away.

Maybe this is a different case, but the male dancer in Pebbles video "Mercedes Boy" became a mtf. He's the only male in the video.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x10tn0_pebbles-mercedes-boy_school

Apparently, he was in a Janet Jackson video, "What Have You Done for Me Lately". He also danced with Janet at the 1988 AMA Awards show. And he posed for Playgirl Magazine (as a male) in 1992.

http://www.lipstickalley.com/f4/rudy-houston-janet-jacksons-former-dancer-had-sex-change-88452/

This a blog discussion about it. I do remember seeing the transitioned dancer on Sally Jesse Raphael's show, also. Apparently there was also a rumor that the dancer had died of AIDS. However, someone posted this reply from YouTube about the dancer. She referred to herself as "Lana Rudi"

LanaRudi
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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:23:23 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Janet Jackson's Dancer"Rudy Houston"is alive
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There have been many rumors about the dancer "Rudy Huston" in
"Pebbel's", music video, and "Janet Jacksons"Music videos from the
80's,and 90's as being dead from aids.Well i would like to put
these rumors to rest.For i am the dancer in those music videos
formerly known as Rudy Huston.I now am known as" Lana".l
appreciate all thoughs concerned about me, and i appreciate
your interest in my where abouts.Yes it is true that i have
transitioned from male to female.I begain my transition from
male to female in 1995.I needed time away from the
entertainment industry to find my inner peace, and to embark on my
intense, and wonderful journey to womanhood.I am finnally at peace ,
and comfortable in my skin.I am currently residing in LA where i
work as an artist painting portraits, and abstracts.Although i took
a break from show business, i am contemplating on coming back.I
have in the maket of looking for songwriter/muisic producers to
colaborate with.Again, thanks to all those concerned about my
where abouts.I'm back from the "Dead"
Sincerely,
LANA (aka)Rudy Huston

Here's a funny bit of trivia; a NYC fixture, who uses the name "Ashley Revlon" said that she was on that Sally show with Lana.

[Nautica]

You know, I really REALLYYYYYYY try to refrain from being a BITCH on these boards. Some of these....
Ooooooo....... I had to delete some of what I just typed.

**Pebbles is so lovely. I'm going to look that up Yodajazz.** But, I'll leave this thread to the HI-JACKER and it's FOLLOWERS and start a new post on the original subject.

[FREEFALLL666]

Anyone who has been on the receiving end of MJ'S rare angry moments will gladly tell you his voice dropped down lower than his fathers.. Apparently the change from angry to calm is like Hulk turned to PeterPan.

[Danielle Foxx]

bump

[drock]

You mean Vitiligo?



(i.e. the autoimmune condition which caused his skin to radically lightened.)


You mean bleach?



Vitiligo? That wouldn't turn his entire body that white. Vitiligo is a condition of localized patches without pigment.

true

[tsbrenda]

Jackson did have some Vitiligo spots

he had many spots on his skin even as a child

what he had a doctor do was give him a skin bleach to even his skin tone out


RUMOR

A MEMBER OF SHALAMAR hangs aroud sometime where the TS are in hollywood. I think tJATS WHY THIS RUMOR IS GOING AROUND

SHALAMAR
http://www.jeffreydaniel.com/



http://www.jeffreydaniel.com/images/01.jpg

http://www.jeffreydaniel.com/images/XXXX4.jpg

[BrendaQG]

No what Tiny Tim sang was falsetto. (for example, him singing tip toe through the tulips. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skU-jBFzXl0&feature=related)) What Jackson did was sing in a range two octaves above even that with a felixbility and power that is not chracteristic of falsetto. for example"Working day and nite" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZJH2MGJffw). Compare that to falsetto Tiny Tim who more or less whines a single high note. Michael was a Soprano or Messo (sic) Soprano all his life. That doesn't just happen.

Sorry, you're wrong.

Falsetto is produced by the maximal elongation of vocal cords with minimal glottic gap. It can be produced at almost any frequency, but is mostly produced in the upper range for both male and female voices. Originally castrati (castrated males) sang the higher parts when women were not allowed to sing in churches; castrati have unbroken voices. Falsetto, meaning "false voice" was so named when uncastrated men were used to sing these parts.

Jackson was NOT a "Soprano or Messo (sic) Soprano," ever.That would have been impossible, since he was a man, and these are uniquely female voices.



Your two paragraphs above are self contradictory. First you say that the mezzo soprano voice can be induced in a male via castration, then you call it uniquely female.

Besides. There are quite a few people who agree with me his voice was in the style of a castrato not a counter tenor. (See Google news on the subject (http://news.google.com/news?um=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=Castrato++michael+jackson&as_qdr=w&as_drrb=q&cf=all), Or more specifically Maestro Ricardo Muti (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.corriere.it%2Fspettacoli%2F09_g iugno_27%2Fgrande_come_farinelli_33634b46-62f4-11de-ac0d-00144f02aabc.shtml&sl=it&tl=en&history_state0=) You may well know more about music than me...but I doubt you know more about music than him.)Inspite of a trival spelling error here and there I do know of what I speak.

As for his voice dropping when angry the Legendary castrato Farinelli had a range of 3 1/2 octaves from C3 (131 Hz) to D6 (1175 Hz). Being a castrato would not mean you could not acess the lower tones.

Michael would be aware of the mental effect speaking in a low voice could have. So he could use it to add weight to his protestations, and emphasis that he was at the end of the day paying the cost to be the boss.

I have also dug up this source, it is a Michael Jackson fan board populated by people who also know a thing or two about music, they cite various sources which give his vocal range as from 3.6 (ca 1983) to four octaves. Like Farinelli he gained range as he grew older, gaining lower notes, while not loosing the higher ones.

IMHO That is way more than a mere coincidence.

While I don't think Joe Jackson would castrate his son, and that this would be due to a natural cause... OTOH he is a guy who talked about his record label when he should be grieving. :shrug

[MacShreach]

No what Tiny Tim sang was falsetto. (for example, him singing tip toe through the tulips. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skU-jBFzXl0&feature=related)) What Jackson did was sing in a range two octaves above even that with a felixbility and power that is not chracteristic of falsetto. for example"Working day and nite" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZJH2MGJffw). Compare that to falsetto Tiny Tim who more or less whines a single high note. Michael was a Soprano or Messo (sic) Soprano all his life. That doesn't just happen.

Sorry, you're wrong.

Falsetto is produced by the maximal elongation of vocal cords with minimal glottic gap. It can be produced at almost any frequency, but is mostly produced in the upper range for both male and female voices. Originally castrati (castrated males) sang the higher parts when women were not allowed to sing in churches; castrati have unbroken voices. Falsetto, meaning "false voice" was so named when uncastrated men were used to sing these parts.

Jackson was NOT a "Soprano or Messo (sic) Soprano," ever.That would have been impossible, since he was a man, and these are uniquely female voices.



Your two paragraphs above are self contradictory. First you say that the mezzo soprano voice can be induced in a male via castration, then you call it uniquely female.

No, I did not say anything even vaguely resembling that. You need to sharpen your reading and comprehension skills.




Besides. There are quite a few people who agree with me his voice was in the style of a castrato not a counter tenor.

(See Google news on the subject (http://news.google.com/news?um=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=Castrato++michael+jackson&as_qdr=w&as_drrb=q&cf=all), Or more specifically Maestro Ricardo Muti (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.corriere.it%2Fspettacoli%2F09_g iugno_27%2Fgrande_come_farinelli_33634b46-62f4-11de-ac0d-00144f02aabc.shtml&sl=it&tl=en&history_state0=) You may well know more about music than me...but I doubt you know more about music than him.)Inspite of a trival spelling error here and there I do know of what I speak.



Well, this is what Muti actually said:

"He is, without a doubt, one of the most legendary, controversial and beloved singers of all time," said Muti. "His controversial story, his weaknesses, [his] restlessness and exhausted final days remind me of the lives of the great castrati like Caffarelli or Farinelli, who [also] became objects of adoration and idolatry. And they often became victims of this adoration."

Muti is clearly referring to MJ's lifestyle and not to his bollocks. As usual, traduction, misinformation and the repetition of miscomprehension, is your stock in trade.





I have also dug up this source, it is a Michael Jackson fan board populated by people who also know a thing or two about music, they cite various sources which give his vocal range as from 3.6 (ca 1983) to four octaves. Like Farinelli he gained range as he grew older, gaining lower notes, while not loosing the higher ones.



This source? As in 'This guy?'




IMHO That is way more than a mere coincidence.



Why does that not surprise me?




While I don't think Joe Jackson would castrate his son, and that this would be due to a natural cause... OTOH he is a guy who talked about his record label when he should be grieving. :shrug

Yes folks, we are witnessing the birth of yet another conspiracy theory, destined to be promoted by the weakminded for years.

Whatever. It's BS

[FREEFALLL666]

His voice was NOTHING like a castrato, hell by that logic, Coldplay's lead would be a castrato...

Oh and CASTRATO DONT GET FACIAL HAIR...