Devils Films

[meghanchavalier]

I don't usually have alot to say about many companies...but there is one company in particular I do have a "history" with and that's Devils Films. It was brought to my attention earlier tonight that Devils Films has released their new Tranny Top Model 4 starring a dear friend of mine Olivia Love. I know most of you know Olivia because she has been in the industry for years. She is one of the kindest, most sincere, wonderful people I have ever met and what they've done to her with this new movie is disgusting, vile and they have crossed the line.

The cover of the movie looks great. Gorgeous girls, Olivia Love of course looks fantastic. BUT THEN YOU TURN IT OVER AND ON THE BACK OF THE BOXCOVER IT SAYS...AND I QUOTE..."LOS ANGELES NATIVE OLIVIA LOVE WANTS TO BE IN THE COMPETITION BUT THERE'S ONLY ONE PROBLEM...SHE'S DEAF AND DUMB."

First of all let me tell all of you something. Olivia may be deaf but it has never stopped her from achieving every goal she has ever had in her life. She is far from dumb and the mere idea that DEVILS FILMS/GOODFELLAS would put this on their boxcover is not only revolting, disrespectful and disgusting but it has taken transsexual porn to all new low.

I urge all the girls in the industry to stand up for Olivia Love.

What they've done is tried to make fun of someone who is highly respected and loved by all of us girls in the industry and we're not taking it lightly.


To Olivia Love...you are one of the most beautiful human beings on this planet and don't ever let anyone tell you differently.

[Jericho]

Stick grabbed by wrong end, by any chance?

[hollysweet]

WOW I dont even know what to say about this as iv worked for both and they have only ever been super nice to me and always asked me back. i just dont know what to even say to something like this i know olivia and love her dearly we have been friends since i was 18 and well lets just say its been a while but i am floored something like this would even fly ..... it is very wrong and very tacky but i wonder who had the final say to even put that on the box...i just am kinda stunned about this .....i have never seen a company diss a girl in such a way.....i mean there are separate people who have separate jobs but lol like wow...

[tsntx]

i dont think "dumb" refers to brain smarts

i think its bad marketing but i think the intention was to be more like "can she over come her handicap to become the next top tranny"

kinda like "tocarra wants to be the next top model except shes plus sized"

kinda like "isis wants to be the next top model but she is a transexual"

its just like any other "reality" show trying to create flashy headlines about a character on the show to make you want to watch the show

dont be "dumb" about this

[hollysweet]

ok now i feel dumb lol i so agree with you jenn very well said i didnt know what to think i wasent sure if i t was an attack or just a joke maybe gone wrong but now that you have made it a little more clear to me i so agree thanks so much..
xoxox

[hippifried]

Uh Megan,

Nice rant, but I think misguided. "Dumb" in this context means unable to speak. It's common among the deaf, because they have no reference to the sounds they're trying to create. It takes a lot of special training for them to speak out loud & have anyone else be able to understand it. This is the original meaning of the word. The derogatory use of the term, meaning stupid, is slang & fairly new in usage. I believe, within the last century. "Deaf & dumb" merely means unable to verbally communicate.

I was unaware that Olivia Love is deaf. It's a social handicap, but not insurmountable. It would seem that she has the support of good friends. She definitely has you on her side. Don't get mad.

[meghanchavalier]

Actually ladies, once Olivia comes in and posts the actual conversation she had with the owner of the company you'll see that it was meant exactly the way it was put on the boxcover. There's alot more to this story yet to come including the owner of the company accusing her of being a terroist.

[GroobySteven]

Jeez what decade are we living in ... I'm not a huge fan of overly political correctness but "dumb" !!!!

http://www.nad.org/site/pp.asp?c=foINKQMBF&b=103786

Anyone into TS porn knows that Olivia is deaf, she's never made a secret of it and as been in 100's of movies. I'm all for shock marketing as long as it doesn't disrespect or upset the model.

I heard Olivia asked for them to change the covers ... it's not released yet so there might be time, it only costs about $200 to do the covers so I can't see why they wouldn't just do it?

Very very poor.

[tsntx]

ok now i feel dumb lol i so agree with you jenn very well said i didnt know what to think i wasent sure if i t was an attack or just a joke maybe gone wrong but now that you have made it a little more clear to me i so agree thanks so much..
xoxox


;)

to elaborate some more...

kinda like "olivia love wants to be the next top tranny but her friend is causing a scene off camera... can she overcome her handicap and her friends misguided rants to be americas next top tranny? tune every thursday to see the drama"

[GroobySteven]

Uh Megan,

Nice rant, but I think misguided. "Dumb" in this context means unable to speak. It's common among the deaf, because they have no reference to the sounds they're trying to create. It takes a lot of special training for them to speak out loud & have anyone else be able to understand it. This is the original meaning of the word. The derogatory use of the term, meaning stupid, is slang & fairly new in usage. I believe, within the last century. "Deaf & dumb" merely means unable to verbally communicate.

I was unaware that Olivia Love is deaf. It's a social handicap, but not insurmountable. It would seem that she has the support of good friends. She definitely has you on her side. Don't get mad.

Is this a really good joke ... or are you really, that dumb? :shock: :D

[Felicia Katt]

I don't think they were saying she was dumb as lacking intelligence. Deaf and dumb is a old school politically incorrect way to describe someone who has a hearing impairment that also prevents them from speaking. It might not have been an insult per se, but clearly its a tacky, and classless way to refer to Olivia, who I adore and who is one of the most expressive and communicative people I have ever met.

FK

PS I guess I was late to the party on this one, since several others made the point while I was still making my post. So ignore the redundant clarification, and just focus on my love for Ms Love :)

[meghanchavalier]

To me this about respect. When us girls started out doing movies in the early 90's the film industry was just transistioning from transvestite to purely transsexual movies. Devils Films was one of the first companies to really jump on the wagon with the tranny industry and all of us girls were the first ones there when it started.

There is no reason that they should even put the word DEAF on the boxcover because what does it have to do with the movie? She is not her disability, she is a person..FIRST AND FOREMOST. A human being who overcame her disability to thrive in whatever she did.

I don't care what anyone says about Devils Films, I know what kind of company they are from personal experiences with them since 1996...and they are douchebags.

[Olivia Love]

well Bitches! how does it feel to be called nigger spics jew or any discriminating names on a box cover hmm so heres the conversation with steve from goodfella !
olivialoveoxox: Make the changes on dvds b4 its released?
Svolponi1: LEFT A MESSAGE
Svolponi1:
Svolponi1:
olivialoveoxox: It better not say dumb when it comes out
Svolponi1: you signed a release so it really doesn't matter
Svolponi1: i already spoke with my attourneys
olivialoveoxox: I spoke wth mine too
olivialoveoxox: Relqeases or not still its a ground of lawsuit
Svolponi1: i forwarded all your text messages and there was one in
particular that they were interested in
Svolponi1: the text where you threatened me and said you're not from
here you're from the south
Svolponi1: actually told me to report it as a terrorist threat
olivialoveoxox: Hahaha
olivialoveoxox: Not a terroist threat my gawd
Svolponi1: he wasn't laughing actually
olivialoveoxox: I was born in columbia sc
olivialoveoxox: Grew up in fla
Svolponi1: i don't argue with my guys it is what it is
olivialoveoxox: See u in court
Svolponi1: cool.
olivialoveoxox: If that dumb is still on it
Svolponi1: no prob
olivialoveoxox: Ill have whole deaf community involved
Svolponi1: you do that
olivialoveoxox: I will
Svolponi1: I guess i'll tell my guy to do what he needs to with the
threat then
olivialoveoxox: Its not a terroist threat I requested u to edit
that dumb out
Svolponi1: yeah but you threatened me to do it I have sent ALL the
messages to my lawyer and have them all in print ready to go.
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olivialoveoxox: I was hurt and offended
olivialoveoxox: I thought u wouldn't do this to me
olivialoveoxox: I actually cried when I saw the print
Svolponi1: i apologized and you threatened me as if I did it in a
spiteful way which i didn't at all the text messages show that I was
very apologetic
Svolponi1: i explained that they are the terms i knew I'm 41 years
old
olivialoveoxox: I'm 36
Svolponi1: thats the term for the condition I only known
Svolponi1: so I apologized
Svolponi1: and the print is SO small it's silly
olivialoveoxox: Makes no difference the point u should know
better to ask me no they were in capital letters!
Svolponi1: i meant you NO disrespect at all
olivialoveoxox: U disrespected me and made me look really bad
olivialoveoxox: Thanks a whole alot
Svolponi1: if I wanted to disrepect you i woulda put so Hidieous picture
on the covers and made you look bad, I put together a very classy movie
and everyone including other TS girl on and off the box said how great
you looked and what an awesome cover it is
olivialoveoxox: I loved the pictures
olivialoveoxox: But the wording threw the beauty out of the box cover
Svolponi1: the cover shows I obviously had no intention on making fun
of or making everyone look bad... you are overly sensitive to the name
of the condition and I understand and apologize
olivialoveoxox: Not overly sensitive I was insulted
Svolponi1: it's 2 words in 4 paragraphs
olivialoveoxox: Still in captial letters
olivialoveoxox: Be sure they don't come out like that
Svolponi1: your insulted I apologized, then you threatened me so I
sent the stuff to my lawyers
olivialoveoxox: All u have to do is omit the dumb
Svolponi1: two capital D's
olivialoveoxox: Part
olivialoveoxox: I didn't threaten to endanger ur life
Svolponi1: if they are not done with th eprinting i have no problem with
it but if they printed I would fix on second run
olivialoveoxox: I threatened to sue ur arse off
Svolponi1: thats how my lawyer looked at it
Svolponi1: no you said i better take it off or else and your not from
here you're from the south!
olivialoveoxox: U said I'm ca native on box
Svolponi1: he took it as a threat and it carries a manadatory sentence
of 6 years
olivialoveoxox: Ure wwrong on that part too
Svolponi1: it's fiction it a porn title
olivialoveoxox: I'm appalled at u
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Svolponi1: i'm sorry you are i apologized and you said it wasn't
enough
Svolponi1: i offered to fix it
Svolponi1: still wasn't enough
olivialoveoxox: Throwing me in jail for making a correction of where
I'm from
Svolponi1: thats not how it reads
Svolponi1: it's up to you, I can call david and just say file that
away for a rainy day, and i will fix it on the next run for you. I don't
wanna waste paper and trees for one word on a Porn title it they already
printed
Svolponi1: but if you wanna fight this out legally no prob
Svolponi1: i'd rather be friends with you, but you are being impossible
olivialoveoxox: How can I be friend with someone who calls me
dumb!
olivialoveoxox: And spreaded that to wwhole world
Svolponi1: thats NOT what I meant and you know it!
olivialoveoxox: Still the term is negative
Svolponi1: i've explained it a million times
Svolponi1: i understand that now
Svolponi1: i will never think of it again
olivialoveoxox: Dictionary doesn't say dumb means a person who
can't speak
Svolponi1: listen i didn't create the terms
Svolponi1: they were around longer then both you and I
olivialoveoxox: U used it in wrong way period
olivialoveoxox: And u knew I could speak
olivialoveoxox: Not perfectly clear
Svolponi1: no
Svolponi1: liek i said i'd rather be friends
Svolponi1:
Svolponi1:
Svolponi1: i gave you a big pic on the box and everything picked a
great one to
Svolponi1: made you look Dynamite
Svolponi1: you can obviously have enough intelligence to see that i
meant NO disrespect at all
Svolponi1: I'm a two time TS Award winning producer
olivialoveoxox: I don't care u should have not used sumch a negative
term
Svolponi1: why would i wanna put out something disrectful? Goodfellas
puts out the highest quality TS Porn in the biz
olivialoveoxox: Should have asked me
olivialoveoxox: Totally unprofessional
Svolponi1: well I have no bosses when it comes to MY movies
olivialoveoxox: Still u knew better
Svolponi1: i did the best i could
Svolponi1: no actually i didn't i did what i thought i knew
olivialoveoxox: U ruined my image
olivialoveoxox: And its very damaging
Svolponi1: if they aren't printed i will fix them if not
olivialoveoxox: Please do fix this
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Svolponi1: how is it damaging?
olivialoveoxox: Make fans assume I'm dumb
Svolponi1: it is a Transsexual porno Movie not a Sports illustrated
olivialoveoxox: So
Svolponi1: if your fans assume your dumb then you have Stupid fans!
olivialoveoxox: Cuz u said im dumb
olivialoveoxox: On the box cover
Svolponi1: there are 4 girls on that box you are the only one
complaining
olivialoveoxox: Cuz u didn't call them names
Svolponi1: do you see the size of your font on this IM?
Svolponi1: it's literally 1/2 the size on the box
Svolponi1: nobody reads that crap anyway
Svolponi1: they don't jerk off to the paragraphs they jerk off to
pictures and video
Svolponi1: you're making to much of this
Svolponi1: 1. I apologized
Svolponi1: 2. I rather be friends
Svolponi1: 3. I will fix it for you as a good faith gesture on this run
if possible, if not the second run definately
Svolponi1: if that isn't good enough and you wanna go further
Svolponi1: you do what you have to, and so will I.
Svolponi1: it's that simple
olivialoveoxox: Ok
Svolponi1: i meant NO disrepect AT ALL
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olivialoveoxox: Sure u don't *scoffs* u were making fun of my
deafness about aim test result u positively can't hear
olivialoveoxox: Don't use others disabilities in ur jokes
olivialoveoxox: I have that copy as well
Svolponi1: no problem see you in Jail
olivialoveoxox: Just correct the editing
olivialoveoxox: Less drama
Svolponi1: if I can i will
olivialoveoxox: Ok
Svolponi1: if it's printed think of the trees
olivialoveoxox: Think of my well being
olivialoveoxox: And my image
olivialoveoxox: Also my rights
Svolponi1: i was thats why i picked such an amazing cover shot of you
Svolponi1: made you look like a million bucks and gave you a larger
images than the others
olivialoveoxox: Shouldn't have used that term to ruin a nice cover
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olivialoveoxox: I'm crying again
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Svolponi1: I'm very sorry
olivialoveoxox: I'm soo hurt
Svolponi1: you shouldn't be because i explained it wasn't a direct
slam on you at all
Svolponi1: you are taking it the wrong way
olivialoveoxox: It appears to me it is a direct slam
Svolponi1: it isn't I assure you
olivialoveoxox: No one ever in my life called me deaf and dumb
olivialoveoxox: Til u did
Svolponi1: i respect all the girl including you on my movies
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olivialoveoxox: It shows that u don't respect me on box
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olivialoveoxox: Even my own grandparents wouldn't call me that
Svolponi1: well i never knew the terms to be offensive I'm not gonna
explain this anymore
Svolponi1:
Svolponi1:
Svolponi1: I'm sorry
olivialoveoxox: Should have just said deaf
olivialoveoxox: Not deaf and dumb
olivialoveoxox: Common sense helllooo 1
Svolponi1: i have no more interest in arguing with you
olivialoveoxox: I just lost 2 close deaf friends over memorial
weekend one of em is a pro. Deaf surfer who founded world deaf
surfer association and other one who worked with me in mental
health center where I was an counselor for deaf adults
olivialoveoxox: And this added
olivialoveoxox: To the despair
olivialoveoxox: Its damaging
Svolponi1: I'm so sorry that is horrible
olivialoveoxox: Not even a old italian guys I know would ever call me
that in philly
olivialoveoxox: *sigh*
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olivialoveoxox: I'm highly respected in ts community as welll due to
my deafness and I am an inspiration to many
Svolponi1: i'm sorry you know i love you to death and meant no harm to
you. i think with all thats happened this week you are overly sensitive
about it and are taking it out on me
olivialoveoxox: Nope I'm stronger than u think
Svolponi1: never said you weren't
olivialoveoxox: Marlee maltin is my friend
Svolponi1: thats cool
olivialoveoxox: Using that term dumb isn't a love for me
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Svolponi1: are we going to continue to bicker about this?
olivialoveoxox: Nope all I have to do is wait til it comes out and
check what it says
olivialoveoxox: Then ill decide what to do next
olivialoveoxox: Take care
Svolponi1: you too

Olivia Love--

[Olivia Love]

theres no definition of dumb that states a person who cant hear or speak i speak good but not perfectly! so watch what u say or support girls! its way too degrading and definitely discrimination look up the word audism!

[meghanchavalier]

Audism is a term used to describe discrimination or stereotypes against deaf or hard of hearing people, for example by assuming that the cultural ways of hearing people are preferable or superior to those of deaf or signing culture, or that deaf people are somehow less capable than hearing people. It also can be used to describe the opposite, deaf people who scorn those with hearing.

[tsntx]

neither party looks good at this point

sad all together tho

stuff like this keeps me, and lots of other girls, out of the business

[tsntx]

its really disgusting reading the way he talks to her

[Solitary Brother]

First of all Devil's Film's is a so yesterday company....their best days are behind them and have been for a while.
Now onto the main part of your complaint.

These companies are shady in their business dealing AND RACIST!
Not all of them BUT MANY OF THEM.

They way African Americans are portrayed and have been portrayed for years is a scandal.
The way some African American performers allow themselves to be portrayed is a scandal.
You have to ask yourself this....who are the producers and directors of this stuff and what is THEIR racial and/or religious background because it plays a part in it.

I could say a lot more but dont want to get banned but their is a certain group who is very racist against blacks hispanics,asians and others by constantly using disgusting stereotypes but their group is left alone.

I dont want to say anymore but its a problem and it truly inspires hate.

[Buddy Wood]

It's just shadey and wrong and there's no excuse for it. If the word was used for a "handicap" marketing ploy and in it's very antiquaited sense - it doesn't matter. It's fucked up!!

I'm very good friends with Olivia and see her several times a week and I don't know any sign language (cuz I'm dumb) and we communicate and I understand her just fucking fine. Not that that should be defended but...she's pissed and quite honestly so am I cuz she's a friend and it's not cool.

[RubyTS]

how could they possibly think this was ok to do...
They could have worded that wayyyy differently as to avoid being offensive. I can feel that there is no remorse on his part from the conversation. Sooooo not cool! Its very disappointing that a company which caters to transexuals and their admirers would treat one of their persormers in such a manner, especially one with such a well known name. Not that it would be okay to do it to a new girl, but it just goes to show that they really think she's dumb and they can get away with it.

[Legend]

It's kind of pathetic for anyone to make fun of someones disability like that something they cannot control and then come with smartass comments like "think of the trees" the guy is a first class jackass.This company and the company vicki richter works should be avoided by all cost by you girls unless you want to be hit with a surprise brutal gang rape or made fun of.

[Felicia Katt]

Here is hoping someone at Devil's is listening to this and does the right thing now and makes up for wrong they did to Olivia on the box cover. Like Buddy, I see Olivia all the time and never have any problem communicating with her. After you know her a while, you forget she is hearing impaired. Buddy on the other hand I still don't always understand :)

FK

[Bob's Tgirls]

That is pretty messed up.

Perhaps this illustrates the difference between those in the biz who actually like transsexuals and have them as friends as opposed to those who just shoot it because there is money to be made.

I must add the caveat that I don't know if those involved with this DVD have any involvement in the transgender community or not.

[moose146]

I know the porn industry uses racial terms and wonder if these people really mind as they know the film title before its created. BUT to make fun of a persons disability without there TRUE or any consent is just shit, and for $200 to just reprint the covers and keep the people (stars) that make the film companys the money happy. seems like a simple fix to me, After all the films arent being purchased because of the director or there plots there being purchased to see the cover stars!!! If the director reads this do everyone a favour and just reprint them im sure the cost will soon be recouped by the fans that appreciate the fact you treat your stars well!

[Bob's Tgirls]

i dont think "dumb" refers to brain smarts

i think its bad marketing but i think the intention was to be more like "can she over come her handicap to become the next top tranny"

kinda like "tocarra wants to be the next top model except shes plus sized"

kinda like "isis wants to be the next top model but she is a transexual"

its just like any other "reality" show trying to create flashy headlines about a character on the show to make you want to watch the show

dont be "dumb" about this

I agree with you on the actual intent of the word dumb. Either way, it is a poor choice of words and I'm betting the person who wrote it, didn't consider how it would be interpreted.

[Bob's Tgirls]

Actually ladies, once Olivia comes in and posts the actual conversation she had with the owner of the company you'll see that it was meant exactly the way it was put on the boxcover. There's alot more to this story yet to come including the owner of the company accusing her of being a terroist.

Really, wow. I'm looking forward to reading about this.

[moose146]

Its already been posted Bob on the first page

[RubyTS]

actually 2nd page

[Felicia Katt]

I agree with you on the actual intent of the word dumb. Either way, it is a poor choice of words and I'm betting the person who wrote it, didn't consider how it would be interpreted.

didn't consider? or didn't care? Bob and I might not always see eye to eye (mostly because I am that much taller than him :) ) but he is a respected and respectful part of our community first and a photographer of some girls in it second, who treats people well and does his job with care and consideration. I doubt he would ever have made this "mistake" and I know he would never have refused to correct it to save a little cash or some printing paper. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees!!

FK

[TSMissJasmine]

So its obvious Svolponi1 is a completely ignorant and worthless opportunist in the business to exploit transsexual performers. It also seems between the bad checks I hear he's written and the classless and ignorant way he treats girls, nobody should shoot with he or his performers.

Go away mr Svolponi, nobody is interested in your bs...

[Bob's Tgirls]

I just read Olivia's post of the conversation and I'm floored.

And to add injury to insult, he's trying to claim she threatened him with physical harm and she can go to prison for it. That's quite a stretch.

[Bob's Tgirls]

I agree with you on the actual intent of the word dumb. Either way, it is a poor choice of words and I'm betting the person who wrote it, didn't consider how it would be interpreted.

didn't consider? or didn't care? Bob and I might not always see eye to eye (mostly because I am that much taller than him :) ) but he is a respected and respectful part of our community first and a photographer of some girls in it second, who treats people well and does his job with care and consideration. I doubt he would ever have made this "mistake" and I know he would never have refused to correct it to save a little cash or some printing paper. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees!!

FK

That was nice of you to say. :)

As Steven mentioned it only costs around $200 to print 2500 DVD inserts. So reprinting is not that big of a deal.

That $200 will seem like nothing compared to he grief he'll have if other performers and consumers follow Meghan's suggestions.

[jaycanuck]

I think we can all agree the word douchebag can be used in this instance.

[GIRUGAMESH]

Svolponi1: no you said i better take it off or else and your not from
here you're from the south!

olivialoveoxox: U said I'm ca native on box

Svolponi1: he took it as a threat and it carries a manadatory sentence
of 6 years

weakest bluff ever. I wonder if this guy even has a lawyer. if he's too cheap to spend the $200 to change the box copy, he's probably using google lawyer or something I mean cmon.. nobody would fall for this

lol mandatory sentence

[BLKGSXR]

Svolponi1: no you said i better take it off or else and your not from
here you're from the south!

olivialoveoxox: U said I'm ca native on box

Svolponi1: he took it as a threat and it carries a manadatory sentence
of 6 years

weakest bluff ever. I wonder if this guy even has a lawyer. if he's too cheap to spend the $200 to change the box copy, he's probably using google lawyer or something I mean cmon.. nobody would fall for this

lol mandatory sentencethink before posting...200 to change over 10000+ boxes/cases......there is a fine line here she is being used as an actress in this which I would suppose she signed a contract allowing her image/voice to be used...Basically her service,which he has complete control whichever way now he would like to word the promotional case.....Is it moral hell no.Is it wrong Yes..Do I feel bad for her of course..But the law is a tricky thing and it has its ways of fucking over people at time.
I think the fucker who wrote this is nothing more than a condescending asshole but that just my 2cents. olivia has been just as pretty as she was when she first started off and thats saying something.I mean shes kept a beautiful physique all these years.

[alpha2117]

I read the discussion and to be honest I think that the guy genuinely didn't realise how offensive the term was to Olivia. I think to her it's akin to ... and I am only using this term in reference to it's offensiveness "Nig%^$" to a black person. The post we got only included the stuff after the supposed threats so we cant see those in context but I think it's a case of two people saying stuff in the heat of the moment. Other than those words the box certainly seems to be favorable to Olivia and I think it's more a case of this guys ignorance to the potential offensivness of the term to her than a deliberate slam.

Hopefully both sides can work it out because I'd like to see Olivia getting a push and the rest of the cover definitly did that.

[RubyTS]

he probably thinks that she wont actually bother taking it to court, or that if she does the judge would rule in his favor simply because she's trans. Basically, he just thinks he can get away with it, and thats not right at all. If she's offended by it, he should take the initiative and do the right thing. This is, after all, a BIG industry, ad shes a big name in it with a fairly large fanbase. He just fucked himself, one way or another. No ts girl wants to work with someone like that. I hope she gets the justice she deserves.

[yosi]

the real dumb here is NOT Olivia Love 8)

and they call themselves good fellas ............... :evil:

[Star Angel 86]

All I can say is that I'm glad I don't buy Devils Films,I never a big fan theirs.

[Artmann100]

I can't say that I am a huge fan of Olivia's (sorry, just a personall preference: I admire her ambition, courage, and beauty), but I agree with her 100% that this is garbage.. Devil;s Film should at the very least post a big apology at thier website (I just checked, there isn't one). I am not a huge buyer of porn, but I will definitely be boycotting Devils Film when I do go skinshopping in the future

[Silcc69]

That had to be the worst worded box i have ever seen. I was kinda shocked when I found out she was deaf but I thought Olivia was a good performer but to call her dumb OMG. And really this fool should've known better than to allow it to be released like that.

[bte]

I didn't even know Olivia Love was deaf. I can see where her anger comes from. I have a few deaf friends and they would be angry if someone called them dumb just because they couldn't speak like normal people. I hope she gets the wording changed.

[hollysweet]

FYI i spoke with steve this morning and he said the box covers had been fixed already .. and it was an honest mistake ..
xoxo
Tiffany

[GroobyKrissy]

I urge all the girls in the industry to stand up for Olivia Love. DO NOT WORK FOR DEVILS FILMS OR GOODFELLAS. If they call you to do a shoot for them, turn them down flat and let them know that they cannot disrespect and slander people and think they can get away with it. For the fans...DO NOT BUY DEVILS FILMS OR GOODFELLAS PRODUCTS....

...and this is really the point, isn't it?

Regardless what your opinions of Olivia Love or DF are, it was a simple request by a model to have ONE word removed that was, at best, completely ignored, and, at worst, ridiculed. Contract or no, this shows a complete lack or respect for the model and a disregard of any professional ethics. Not that I'm claiming the Industry is an ethical place to do business (it should be), but it is an Industry that is build upon a symbiotic relationship of producers and models.

Anyway. So, do you read the most, maybe make a comment, and then move on to the next post, thinking, 'oh, that's a shame'. Or do you pause and give this some serious thought. I, for one, will be removing all DF links on any of the sites I own, and will stop promoting their DVD's on my personal Blog. I've also emailed them regarding my feelings about this box cover and their treatment of Olivia and asked that they issue an apology. I've emailed AVN and asked them to also stop promoting this DVD release until a public apology is issued. I will also continue to post about this on my Blog until an apology is issued.

Quite simply, this industry is not as big as you'd imagine and your personal decision to support or not support a producer impacts their bottom line. The TS/TG community is in large part fractured with petty arguments and differences of opinions which are damaging as a whole and contribute to the 'silly trannies' line of reasoning which permeates 'main stream' society.

I'm not asking for a revolution, just that we support those in the Industry who have gone before us in whatever way possible when things like this come up, putting aside personal feelings and monetary gain. There are those who will scoff and say, what is one person going to do against a production company like DF...? To them, I would say, 'Lamborghini.' From farmer and Ferrari supporter to auto mogul in large part because one stupid remark made by a Ferrari representative.

Olivia (and Meghan) is a pillar in the community and has worked hard to break stereotypes. She was influential in my decision to become part of the Industry and I think she deserves my support in fighting this injustice and making sure that it doesn't happen to anyone else.

So, please, if you can, do more than just post a comment saying you agree that this move and treatment by DF was terrible. Get involved personally as Meghan encourages. Be courteous and professional in your correspondence but remain firm that a public apology and reissue of the box cover is needed to make this right.

EDIT:
PER HOLLY'S POST ABOVE MINE: Great news! Thanks for the update!

[ccg218]

yeah, in this context...dumb just means she cant speak...not an insult...

[hollysweet]

just spoke to steve and he cant believe how far this has gone and yes over one word .. he said it was fixed the day she texted and asked.. there was also another text error on ariel's name so he had no problem fixing her text request as well and as many times as he said he was sorry and didnt mean for it to come across that way this whole thread should have never been posted as it was taken car of and already done. i do feel bad for olivia but also when we do sign our release forms where done. what they do and want to do with the content is not up to us .. stop and think for a min how many covers are raciest or depict even GG girls in a bad way IE watch this whore get stuffed in every hole and blah blah blah doesnt mean thats true or how they really are in there personal life ... i dont think it was fair to post that conversation on here for people to try and judge devils films as i have worked for them and most of all the girls have and many even Kimber James have gotten there start with them and nun of us has ever had a problem with them. Its also having a thick skin .... and for god sakes it porn a fantasy .. not real !!! but to the main thing is it was fixed right away and there was just no need for this whole post... im not a fan of people bashing sites and girls or well anyone for that matter its just not right . but at least its all taken care of and done with ..
xxo
Tiffany

[jaycanuck]

FYI i spoke with steve this morning and he said the box covers had been fixed already .. and it was an honest mistake ..
xoxo
Tiffany

I disagree. It wasn't an honest mistake. Based on the conversation posted it was an egotistical producer trying to be "mr. big man" in all of this and "no one's going to tell me what to do". The guy needs sensitivity training. Unfortunately I think he's lived in a world in which PC isn't really thought of much. PC doesn't mean you have to "cripple" your business..but some general common sense should have told him to say this...

"You're right Olivia. I've told the graphics department to fix it. I apologize"

That's all that should have happened. It didn't..and now he's lost clientele. That's bad business sense.

[GroobyKrissy]

just spoke to steve and he cant believe how far this has gone and yes over one word .. he said it was fixed the day she texted and asked.. there was also another text error on ariel's name so he had no problem fixing her text request as well and as many times as he said he was sorry and didnt mean for it to come across that way this whole thread should have never been posted as it was taken car of and already done. i do feel bad for olivia but also when we do sign our release forms where done. what they do and want to do with the content is not up to us .. stop and think for a min how many covers are raciest or depict even GG girls in a bad way IE watch this whore get stuffed in every hole and blah blah blah doesnt mean thats true or how they really are in there personal life ... i dont think it was fair to post that conversation on here for people to try and judge devils films as i have worked for them and most of all the girls have and many even Kimber James have gotten there start with them and nun of us has ever had a problem with them. Its also having a thick skin .... and for god sakes it porn a fantasy .. not real !!! but to the main thing is it was fixed right away and there was just no need for this whole post... im not a fan of people bashing sites and girls or well anyone for that matter its just not right . but at least its all taken care of and done with ..
xxo
Tiffany

Yeah... the 'thick skin' thing just doesn't sit well with me. As a minority myself, I've probably heard every Asian insult there is. I consider myself pretty 'thick skinned' but I'll tell you what, it doesn't stop stinging.

Anyway, I'm glad the cover was reissued and I hope that an apology will still be issued. I do my homework and I realize that many famous models have worked and will continue to work for DF, and that's fine. Heck, if I was expecting a call from them, or had a vested interest in the company, I might even have a different outlook.

Please let me be clear in stating that I am not bashing DF or GF Productions at all. In fact, I quite like their DVD series' and promote them regularly. I don't know about all the other allegations and won't speculate or judge on those.

I just think an apology is in order. Fixing the box was a great concession but as far as I'm concerned, a simple, 'I'm sorry' goes a long way. My parents used to say they're the two hardest words to spit out sometimes but that's why they're so powerful. They messed up and should issue a retraction and an apology. If it truly was an 'accident,' a simple statement saying so would go a long way towards future credibility.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

When I learned about this last night I was really disturbed and sickened.

Everyone who knows Olivia knows that is she is bright, articulate, reads lips, and can talk too. She communicates quite well with those that are not deaf.

This might have been a sick joke for these people, but it was really gross, in bad taste,degrading, and PREJIDUCED & IGNORANT.

NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR THE DEAF:

What is Wrong with the Use of these Terms:
"Deaf-mute", "Deaf and dumb", or "Hearing-impaired"?
To refer others to this page, please use:
http://www.nad.org/deafanddumb


Deaf and Dumb -- A relic from the medieval English era, this is the granddaddy of all negative labels pinned on deaf and hard of hearing people. The Greek philosopher, Aristotle, pronounced us "deaf and dumb", because he felt that deaf people were incapable of being taught, of learning, and of reasoned thinking. To his way of thinking, if a person could not use his/her voice in the same way as hearing people, then there was no way that this person could develop cognitive abilities. (Source: Deaf Heritage, by Jack Gannon, 1980)

In later years, "dumb" came to mean "silent". This definition still persists, because that is how people see deaf people. The term is offensive to deaf and hard of hearing people for a number of reasons. One, deaf and hard of hearing people are by no means "silent" at all. They use sign language, lip-reading, vocalizations, and so on to communicate. Communication is not reserved for hearing people alone, and using one's voice is not the only way to communicate. Two, "dumb" also has a second meaning: stupid. Deaf and hard of hearing people have encountered plenty of people who subscribe to the philosophy that if you cannot use your voice well, you don't have much else "upstairs", and have nothing going for you. Obviously, this is incorrect, ill-informed, and false. Deaf and hard of hearing people have repeatedly proved that they have much to contribute to the society at large.

[Legend]

"an honest mistake" when someone associates the word dumb with someone who is deaf or blind it usually mean that the person is stupid.I love the way hollysweet is defending and making excuses for this guy if someone made fun of something she couldn't help about her i don't think she would have that nonchalant attitude.

[jaycanuck]

If he was honest, the moment he realized that "dumb" was a mistake he should have corrected it and appologized.

Assuming he already knew that....or even if he didn't know that, a good business owner would correct the situation. Not argue and belittle a person.

Again. Not an honest mistake.

[bunzy]

I wanna put my hands and feet on that motherfucker "Svolponi1" for doing this :x

[Olivia Love]

-------------------------------- 7:52 am
--------------------------------
Svolponi1: Just forwarded your post on hung angels.
Svolponi1: Svolponi1 signed off at 7:54 am.
Svolponi1: Svolponi1 signed on at 8:33 am.
-------------------------------- 8:38 am
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Svolponi1: the cover was fixed by the way get your facts straight
before to spout off.
olivialoveoxox: Ok
Svolponi1: i think you owe me an apology
Svolponi1:
Svolponi1:
olivialoveoxox: Ill see when first copy comes out and u
owe me an apology too
Svolponi1: or are you not able to admit when your wrong
Svolponi1: I apologized several times in our text messages did I not?
Svolponi1: It was never meant as stupid and I explained it a million
times
olivialoveoxox: I would never use degrading term to describe a
person
Svolponi1: i'm waiting for you to apologize
olivialoveoxox: I'm waiting to see the first released copy
olivialoveoxox: And changes to be made on the site as well
Svolponi1: not apologizing?
Svolponi1: no prob.
olivialoveoxox: People r trying to help me understand why once I do
and realize that I'm wrong ill apologize
olivialoveoxox: I am an adult enuff to admit my mistakes
Svolponi1: i'm fuckin telling you your wrong
Svolponi1: you made a mistake
Svolponi1: that fact you think I would say that like your stupid is
stupid don't act like you never heard those terms before
olivialoveoxox: Should have thought about it b4 putting dumb that
describe me in first place we wouldn't be into this
Svolponi1: you need to apologize
Svolponi1: Svolponi1 signed off at 8:47 am.

Olivia Love

[jaycanuck]

I think that proves my point.

[mistab]

douchebag is too nice of a term for this twit...Svolponi1 is the ONLY ONE that needs to apologize...truly unbelievable!

[Olivia Love]

FYI i spoke with steve this morning and he said the box covers had been fixed already .. and it was an honest mistake ..
xoxo
Tiffany

Sorry to disappoint u Tiffany he hasnt made the change check this link http://www.devilsdistribution.com/catalog.php?cmd=detail&dvd_id=1707

[bte]

Some people are just ignorant and don't know any better. I hope it changes.

[Danielle Foxx]

Steve Volponi is an asshole, a prick and a user!

Several girls have reported his checks bouncing and having to wait weeks for their money.

He uses content in movies that are not in the original signed model release such as my scene with Vicki Richter for her interactive and also my bonus scene for my interactive - both were used in other productions.

When I confronted Steve about paying a girl less them she was worth a while back he made me look like a total asshole because I was standing up for someone who I thought was a very good selling model. We were close then but after all this happened her and I are no longer close.

In another instance Steve made me go off on Wendy Williams as I thought I was defending him, and yet I had absolutely no clue of how low this asshole was really going to manipulate girls into making his stupid drunk ass money.

As you can read from his conversation with Olivia he just does not give a rats ass about the girl, even if she does have a handicap in this case. I can side with him and say he is a business man and that is his job, but his job isn't to discriminate!

I am sure if he would have told Olivia he was going to print "Dumb and Deaf " she would have refused, it is slander in my book.

Olivia, I have known you for yeaaaaaaars since way back in Orlando. You are a sweet girl. Your handicap only keeps you from hearing this crazy world's bullshit and ignorance. Many people say that being deaf is a handicap however in my opinion being a user, asshole, prick and despicable human being is wayyyyyy more of a handicap.

It is definitely an insult in my book. If you need someone on your side please contact me. I would be more then happy to report on any of my run ins with Mr. Volponi. I would also love to be involved in sewing the fuck face for breach of contract if you would like to consult with a lawyer.

GIRLS DO NOT WORK FOR STEVE VOLPONI AT DEVILS!!!!

I would suggest calling the actual owner of devils and writing a letter. Steve is simply an employee and not the owner.

Thank you Meghan for saying something, I have the reputation for being a cunt and a bitch when I speak for other girls. People usually accuse me of being a drama queen and an instigator, however, when a woman of your intelligence and class speaks up we can rest assure that it is all coming from an honest place - in this case specifically.

I am sorry Olivia, it really sucks when people are assholes, but you are loved by everyone! I don't know anyone who has anything bad to say about you. When I was 10 my painting teacher was deaf and mute. Her name was Raquel. She more then made up for her lack of hearing and voice in many areas of her life. She was an amazing painter, a great strong family woman.

You are a great aura and people gravitate towards you. Your personality is addictive and I respect you immensely.

I am truly sorry for this,

Danie

[yosi]

1. glad to see that HA has some influence........
2. Olivia Love needs to apology for their stupidity? this guy is dumb :lol:

[Danielle Foxx]

-------------------------------- 7:52 am
--------------------------------
Svolponi1: Just forwarded your post on hung angels.
Svolponi1: Svolponi1 signed off at 7:54 am.
Svolponi1: Svolponi1 signed on at 8:33 am.
-------------------------------- 8:38 am
--------------------------------
Svolponi1: the cover was fixed by the way get your facts straight
before to spout off.
olivialoveoxox: Ok
Svolponi1: i think you owe me an apology
Svolponi1:
Svolponi1:
olivialoveoxox: Ill see when first copy comes out and u
owe me an apology too
Svolponi1: or are you not able to admit when your wrong
Svolponi1: I apologized several times in our text messages did I not?
Svolponi1: It was never meant as stupid and I explained it a million
times
olivialoveoxox: I would never use degrading term to describe a
person
Svolponi1: i'm waiting for you to apologize
olivialoveoxox: I'm waiting to see the first released copy
olivialoveoxox: And changes to be made on the site as well
Svolponi1: not apologizing?
Svolponi1: no prob.
olivialoveoxox: People r trying to help me understand why once I do
and realize that I'm wrong ill apologize
olivialoveoxox: I am an adult enuff to admit my mistakes
Svolponi1: i'm fuckin telling you your wrong
Svolponi1: you made a mistake
Svolponi1: that fact you think I would say that like your stupid is
stupid don't act like you never heard those terms before
olivialoveoxox: Should have thought about it b4 putting dumb that
describe me in first place we wouldn't be into this
Svolponi1: you need to apologize
Svolponi1: Svolponi1 signed off at 8:47 am.

Olivia Love


OLIVIA YOU DO NOT OWE HIM ANYTHING!!!! DO NOT APOLOGIZE - HE IS THE ASSHOLE HERE!

He would have not changed the box on his terms. His lawyers and boss probably told him to do it... Of corse bad publicity always helps...

[T-girl hound]

Devil's films suck anyway, after Latin pov 2 they just been shitty

[Danielle Foxx]

That is pretty messed up.

Perhaps this illustrates the difference between those in the biz who actually like transsexuals and have them as friends as opposed to those who just shoot it because there is money to be made.

I must add the caveat that I don't know if those involved with this DVD have any involvement in the transgender community or not.

Bob, you are one of the most adored producers out there - You are wayyyyyyy too sweet of a man. Luv ya to pieces - Amy told me you said hello! Thanks for thinking of me! PM me if you wanna shoot, I maybe ready to pose !

xoxo

[hippifried]

Wow! This sure got blown out of proportion.

This thread is the best argument I've ever seen for having agents & staff separating the talent from the producers. All this animosity could have been avoided.

As a consumer, it's nice to see that competition is alive & well in the industry. I've only been here a couple of years, but I've never seen so many shock & empathy posts claiming to eminate from other producers & distributers in one thread.

[Danielle Foxx]

I urge all the girls in the industry to stand up for Olivia Love. DO NOT WORK FOR DEVILS FILMS OR GOODFELLAS. If they call you to do a shoot for them, turn them down flat and let them know that they cannot disrespect and slander people and think they can get away with it. For the fans...DO NOT BUY DEVILS FILMS OR GOODFELLAS PRODUCTS....

...and this is really the point, isn't it?

Regardless what your opinions of Olivia Love or DF are, it was a simple request by a model to have ONE word removed that was, at best, completely ignored, and, at worst, ridiculed. Contract or no, this shows a complete lack or respect for the model and a disregard of any professional ethics. Not that I'm claiming the Industry is an ethical place to do business (it should be), but it is an Industry that is build upon a symbiotic relationship of producers and models.

Anyway. So, do you read the most, maybe make a comment, and then move on to the next post, thinking, 'oh, that's a shame'. Or do you pause and give this some serious thought. I, for one, will be removing all DF links on any of the sites I own, and will stop promoting their DVD's on my personal Blog. I've also emailed them regarding my feelings about this box cover and their treatment of Olivia and asked that they issue an apology. I've emailed AVN and asked them to also stop promoting this DVD release until a public apology is issued. I will also continue to post about this on my Blog until an apology is issued.

Quite simply, this industry is not as big as you'd imagine and your personal decision to support or not support a producer impacts their bottom line. The TS/TG community is in large part fractured with petty arguments and differences of opinions which are damaging as a whole and contribute to the 'silly trannies' line of reasoning which permeates 'main stream' society.

I'm not asking for a revolution, just that we support those in the Industry who have gone before us in whatever way possible when things like this come up, putting aside personal feelings and monetary gain. There are those who will scoff and say, what is one person going to do against a production company like DF...? To them, I would say, 'Lamborghini.' From farmer and Ferrari supporter to auto mogul in large part because one stupid remark made by a Ferrari representative.

Olivia (and Meghan) is a pillar in the community and has worked hard to break stereotypes. She was influential in my decision to become part of the Industry and I think she deserves my support in fighting this injustice and making sure that it doesn't happen to anyone else.

So, please, if you can, do more than just post a comment saying you agree that this move and treatment by DF was terrible. Get involved personally as Meghan encourages. Be courteous and professional in your correspondence but remain firm that a public apology and reissue of the box cover is needed to make this right.

EDIT:
PER HOLLY'S POST ABOVE MINE: Great news! Thanks for the update!

Great post

[Silcc69]

So this Steve guy isn't even the owner WTF!? I wonder will he get fired over this?

[Dinand]

Mike Rubinstein use to run Devil Films. not sure if he still does but I hate this shit like putting crap like that on the boxcover. I want to see the beautiful Olivia of course but I won't buy it because I don't want to support DF's sale tricks.

[arnie666]

What a wanker. I think ignorance can be forgiven, in these days of PC it seems each year words to refer to a minority becomes offensive that previously were acceptable . Or words which were previously thought PC suddenly become offensive to confuse things even more.

However this guy from his convo comes across as a complete twat. I think it would be pretty obvious that if you refer to a deaf person as dumb they might get a bit pissed off. I thought that term went out in the 1800's! I remember at school being left handed and teachers referring to it as being 'cack handed' and that pissed me off enough.

One would think he would be sensitive enough to ask her opinion on it. And what sealed it for me was his attitude towards changing it. Making out it would be environmentally unsound WTF. He comes across as a cock who wants his own way and a bully.

Well I as a consumer of videos starring girls with massive love rockets will refuse to buy anything from the companies concerned. I dislike people getting mocked for things they cannot help and bullies making threats . Oh and he's changing it now, bit late son.

[Hannibal Lecter]

I don't understand why so much frustration over this? Most of you might disagree but porn IS about humiliation,
degradation, you name it .. Once you are in porn business as an actor then you are supposed to be utilized
by the so called "directors" in many dirty ways in order to provoke ultimate sensual feelings among the broad audience
for some symbolic amount of money that will temporarily make you happy. That's my definition of the whole thing.
You sell your body along with all it's properties and features in a way that will make people get horny in diversity
of ways. Now, if you do not see the thing from that perspective, in other words, if you still do not understand that
as a porn actress you are essentially a subject to humiliation, then you cannot see beyond the end of your own nose,
and if it really is so - then you are dumb. Some directors are less radical then others but it's still about humiliation.
That's porn, and many of you are part of it. Your own choices, your own decisions, so why complain over few details?
Be what you are, be a ho. Oh, no, sorry. Not ho, that's humiliating word. Let's call it model, it sounds more classy
and way more intelligent..

[Danielle Foxx]

I don't understand why so much frustration over this? Most of you might disagree but porn IS about humiliation,
degradation, you name it .. Once you are in porn business as an actor then you are supposed to be utilized
by the so called "directors" in many dirty ways in order to provoke ultimate sensual feelings among the broad audience
for some symbolic amount of money that will temporarily make you happy. That's my definition of the whole thing.

NOT TRUE - in my case at least...

Just because I am a sex worker I get to be less then human??? I am not following your last post

[Bob's Tgirls]

That is pretty messed up.

Perhaps this illustrates the difference between those in the biz who actually like transsexuals and have them as friends as opposed to those who just shoot it because there is money to be made.

I must add the caveat that I don't know if those involved with this DVD have any involvement in the transgender community or not.

Bob, you are one of the most adored producers out there - You are wayyyyyyy too sweet of a man. Luv ya to pieces - Amy told me you said hello! Thanks for thinking of me! PM me if you wanna shoot, I maybe ready to pose !

xoxo

Awwww, thank you Danielle. :D

[jaycanuck]

I don't understand why so much frustration over this? Most of you might disagree but porn IS about humiliation,
degradation, you name it .. Once you are in porn business as an actor then you are supposed to be utilized
by the so called "directors" in many dirty ways in order to provoke ultimate sensual feelings among the broad audience
for some symbolic amount of money that will temporarily make you happy. That's my definition of the whole thing.
You sell your body along with all it's properties and features in a way that will make people get horny in diversity
of ways. Now, if you do not see the thing from that perspective, in other words, if you still do not understand that
as a porn actress you are essentially a subject to humiliation, then you cannot see beyond the end of your own nose,
and if it really is so - then you are dumb. Some directors are less radical then others but it's still about humiliation.
That's porn, and many of you are part of it. Your own choices, your own decisions, so why complain over few details?
Be what you are, be a ho. Oh, no, sorry. Not ho, that's humiliating word. Let's call it model, it sounds more classy
and way more intelligent..

Are you serious? The people that get into the business know why they're there. This "couple of words" had nothing to do with the main subject of the film which is a tgirl model pageant. If the video was "deaf girl makes good" then Olivia would have been notified and could have acted accordingly.

This was an ignorant and blunt attack on her disability. Imagine if it was a handicapped person in a wheelchair (for example)..would you feel comfortable if they used the word "cripple"? It's a simple case of being respectful of everyone employed. A good employer should manage cases of iggnorance. In this case he failed big time and lost business. If he had worked it out in the first place, he wouldn't be losing business.

[Hannibal Lecter]

I don't understand why so much frustration over this? Most of you might disagree but porn IS about humiliation,
degradation, you name it .. Once you are in porn business as an actor then you are supposed to be utilized
by the so called "directors" in many dirty ways in order to provoke ultimate sensual feelings among the broad audience
for some symbolic amount of money that will temporarily make you happy. That's my definition of the whole thing.
You sell your body along with all it's properties and features in a way that will make people get horny in diversity
of ways. Now, if you do not see the thing from that perspective, in other words, if you still do not understand that
as a porn actress you are essentially a subject to humiliation, then you cannot see beyond the end of your own nose,
and if it really is so - then you are dumb. Some directors are less radical then others but it's still about humiliation.
That's porn, and many of you are part of it. Your own choices, your own decisions, so why complain over few details?
Be what you are, be a ho. Oh, no, sorry. Not ho, that's humiliating word. Let's call it model, it sounds more classy
and way more intelligent..

Are you serious? The people that get into the business know why they're there. This "couple of words" had nothing to do with the main subject of the film which is a tgirl model pageant. If the video was "deaf girl makes good" then Olivia would have been notified and could have acted accordingly.

This was an ignorant and blunt attack on her disability. Imagine if it was a handicapped person in a wheelchair (for example)..would you feel comfortable if they used the word "cripple"? It's a simple case of being respectful of everyone employed. A good employer should manage cases of iggnorance. In this case he failed big time and lost business. If he had worked it out in the first place, he wouldn't be losing business.

Yes, i could not agree more with you, my friend, but obviously the director estimated higher selling figures by adding
this bullshit to the movie itself, in this case. And that's exactly what i am talking about here. But this kind of
industry is based on weird relationships between "employees" and "employers", that's a weird world. You can not compare
it to the normal business situation. And if someone is part of it then....i don't know what to say, really. That's about
the people of a special kind. I do not think we will ever understand how they think and act..

[Hannibal Lecter]

I don't understand why so much frustration over this? Most of you might disagree but porn IS about humiliation,
degradation, you name it .. Once you are in porn business as an actor then you are supposed to be utilized
by the so called "directors" in many dirty ways in order to provoke ultimate sensual feelings among the broad audience
for some symbolic amount of money that will temporarily make you happy. That's my definition of the whole thing.

NOT TRUE - in my case at least...

Just because I am a sex worker I get to be less then human??? I am not following your last post

I was never talking about being less human here. All this is unfortunately and obviously a part of being human in the world we are living in.

I am fully aware of your quallities and i do respect you as a human being.

[GroobySteven]

I don't understand why so much frustration over this? Most of you might disagree but porn IS about humiliation,
degradation, you name it .. Once you are in porn business as an actor then you are supposed to be utilized
by the so called "directors" in many dirty ways in order to provoke ultimate sensual feelings among the broad audience
for some symbolic amount of money that will temporarily make you happy.

I completely disagree. I've been working in this industry for over 12 yrs and never seen it as humiliation or degradation except in the case, when your doing a specific project, like Transexdomination that appeals to those looking for that sort of porn. I think your probably projecting what you like in porn, or how you view it (and there is nothing wrong with that) as how everybody views it.

We've always tried to maintain in our sites a show of integrity and personality of the models, in much the same way as somebody like Bob does - or other producers who are into the scenes. This way has served us well amongst customers and the models over the years. If a model says to us ... "I'm the biggest sluttiest whore out there", then we'll publish that ... otherwise we would try and present most models in a more respectful light.

I'm sure you can go through our product and pick out numerous examples of bad words or copy but it's never meant to be degrading or humiliating to transgender performers or any of our performers.

[tstv_lover]

Svolponi1: i respect all the girl including you on my movies

Svolponi1: well i never knew the terms to be offensive

As someone who works with deaf people on a regular basis, I know the need for sensitivity when refering to a physical impairment of this nature. To refer to a hearing-impared person as "deaf and dumb" is incredibly offensive, in a way that most of us cannot imagine.

To state that you respect someone but are prepared to promote them as "deaf and dumb" is absurd. I don't know anything about the porm industry, but I do know about empathy and human decency. This guy needs to get his priorities right.

As for Olivia, this thread has shown the love and respect shown by her friends, colleagues and admirers. She is absolutely correct to confront this type of unthinking and selfish action.

[Hazel Tucker]

I usually would stay out of a thread like this, but I know Olivia personally and consider her a good friend. You can color coat shit by saying that "deaf and dumb" is a term which is in the dictionary...so aren't the words nigger and kyke btw. But we are talking modern times with modern words here.

This is not a marketing issue. You can make all the excuses you want for it. It's not right.

I'm disgusted that Olivia has had to deal with this discrimination. Steve Volponi is what I will call a "bully" for lack of a nicer term.

I have not been in the industry that long, but in the short amount of time I have, I have heard nothing admirable about him or Goodfellas. In fact, I personally have had issues with him. He wrote me 2 bad checks and tried to give me the run-around, which from what I've hear is not an uncommon occurrence for him.

Another thing that I find pretty pathetic is how he markets himself to girls by talking negatively about other companies/models. Even companies who help promote his own work.

I think I've heard and seen enough of this unprofessional bull. I refuse to ever work with that branch of Devil's again. If Devils is smart they will crack down on this before talent and fans start going elsewhere.

[jaycanuck]

If Devils is smart they will crack down on this before talent and fans start going elsewhere.

I think it's too late for that...at least the people in this thread.

[NewAgain]

I feel for Olivia! Stupid fuckers!!! I hate everyone!!!

[rockabilly]

If Devils is smart they will crack down on this before talent and fans start going elsewhere.

I think it's too late for that...at least the people in this thread.
Indeed it is, people let your money do the talking dont buy their products.

[stillies77]

wow thats kinda fucked up I would say

[Bob's Tgirls]

I don't understand why so much frustration over this? Most of you might disagree but porn IS about humiliation,
degradation, you name it .. Once you are in porn business as an actor then you are supposed to be utilized
by the so called "directors" in many dirty ways in order to provoke ultimate sensual feelings among the broad audience
for some symbolic amount of money that will temporarily make you happy. That's my definition of the whole thing.
You sell your body along with all it's properties and features in a way that will make people get horny in diversity
of ways. Now, if you do not see the thing from that perspective, in other words, if you still do not understand that
as a porn actress you are essentially a subject to humiliation, then you cannot see beyond the end of your own nose,
and if it really is so - then you are dumb. Some directors are less radical then others but it's still about humiliation.
That's porn, and many of you are part of it. Your own choices, your own decisions, so why complain over few details?
Be what you are, be a ho. Oh, no, sorry. Not ho, that's humiliating word. Let's call it model, it sounds more classy
and way more intelligent..

Porn by definition is not about humiliation or degradation unless you consider sex to be that. I don't. There are some producers who specifically make porn that way to cater to the audience that wants to see that. There are performers who themselves get off on being degraded on camera. Max Hardcore's style of porn is that style. It's made to degrade women. It's not my cup of tea, but those who like that genre should be able make it and see it as long as everything is consensual.

I like good nasty hardcore porn as much as the next guy or girl. But I don't like to see women (transgender or gg) depicted as being humiliated or degraded.

Scenes depicting domination are not necessarily about humilation or degradation either. It depends on the context, dialog, etc.

So to lump all of porn into one simple statement is ludicrous.

[Celeste]

I looooooooooove Steve @ Devils. Hes the best! Ive NEVER had a problem with him, and he always treats me with upmost respect. Whenever him and his wife are in vegas or im in LA, we all hang out, and go out to eat, have drinks, etc... he tooked such good care of me, when I went to shoot ANTT 3, I had NEVER got that treatment from any other company. Ive only heard a few complaints from a couple girls about him, but all in all, most things are good, that are said. Of course, youll always have those girls who are never satisfied or take things to the next level... You cant win them all :wink:

[jaycanuck]

I looooooooooove Steve @ Devils. Hes the best! Ive NEVER had a problem with him, and he always treats me with upmost respect. Whenever him and his wife are in vegas or im in LA, we all hang out, and go out to eat, have drinks, etc... he tooked such good care of me, when I went to shoot ANTT 3, I had NEVER got that treatment from any other company. Ive only heard a few complaints from a couple girls about him, but all in all, most things are good, that are said. Of course, youll always have those girls who are never satisfied or take things to the next level... You cant win them all :wink:

this isn't about being "satisfied" it's about correcting something that should have been corrected in the first place. No ands ifs or buts.

[Danielle Foxx]

I looooooooooove Steve @ Devils. Hes the best! Ive NEVER had a problem with him, and he always treats me with upmost respect. Whenever him and his wife are in vegas or im in LA, we all hang out, and go out to eat, have drinks, etc... he tooked such good care of me, when I went to shoot ANTT 3, I had NEVER got that treatment from any other company. Ive only heard a few complaints from a couple girls about him, but all in all, most things are good, that are said. Of course, youll always have those girls who are never satisfied or take things to the next level... You cant win them all :wink:

Like what? Telling people that I had all that I needed on set and that I am an ungrateful cunt was "Cool and cute"? Steve may be cool with you because you have not pushed him on respect. It's just a matter of time. I was "cool" with him too however when he did something I disagreed with I turned into a cunt... I call that a really nice guy in anyone else's book but my own.

This is funny shit... He said to someone I know that I had everything I wanted on set - even my favorite candy bar... which is funny because most of the time we were shooting I was getting fucked... AND most importantly, I don't like cheap candy bars. I stick to Belgium or Godiva, it's smoother and richer. And for those porn girls out there. What's the golden rule when doing porn?

DON'T EAT PAST 9 PM THE NIGHT BEFORE - WAIT TO EAT AFTER THE SHOOT!

Anyway, he's Italian and has a temper... Celest is right... you either love or hate the guy but since I don't hate anyone I think he is plainly an asshole.

Can't please anyone by calling a girl Deaf and Dumb these days... That sucks!

[GroobySteven]

I had NEVER got that treatment from any other company.

Let's not get comparitive or competitive ... you've upset Buddy & PK now.

[Danielle Foxx]

I had NEVER got that treatment from any other company.

Let's not get comparitive or competitive ... you've upset Buddy & PK now.

Tell him it's 4:20... At least in California... That should chear him up... LOL

[blacktgirls]

plot lines are for movies, GONZO

[meghanchavalier]

Sisterhood the solidarity of women based on shared conditions, experiences, or concerns

I'm still a firm believer in supporting your sisters when something like this happens. Olivia is my friend. She was very hurt over what happened. It wasn't kind, and it wasn't a moment of "Oops I didn't think this would affect you in any way."

I don't know this guy Steven from Goodfellas personally, but had a run in with him through email this morning, which I won't post, because I don't think it's necessary considering things that were said.

I believe that an apology is in order, but it won't ratify the situation. It's a matter of right and wrong. He was wrong...period.

I take my work with the LGBT Community very seriously and when something like this happens to a friend, it is a matter of sisterhood and sticking by your friends. When you see the hatred that happens within the community on a daily basis and receive letters daily with stories about discrimination, violence, and pain you react to it like a normal person which is what I did in this situation.

A flagrant disregard for a person's feelings is unacceptable behavior.

I'm not on a soapbox, I'm just stating the facts. Is there a way to fix this? I have no idea. That's up to Olivia to decide, but whatever decision she makes I'll stand behind her 100%.

Sisterhood.

[AmyDaly]

Fucked up.


<3 you Olivia - Amy

[Danielle Foxx]

Sisterhood the solidarity of women based on shared conditions, experiences, or concerns

I'm still a firm believer in supporting your sisters when something like this happens. Olivia is my friend. She was very hurt over what happened. It wasn't kind, and it wasn't a moment of "Oops I didn't think this would affect you in any way."

I don't know this guy Steven from Goodfellas personally, but had a run in with him through email this morning, which I won't post, because I don't think it's necessary considering things that were said.

I believe that an apology is in order, but it won't ratify the situation. It's a matter of right and wrong. He was wrong...period.

I take my work with the LGBT Community very seriously and when something like this happens to a friend, it is a matter of sisterhood and sticking by your friends. When you see the hatred that happens within the community on a daily basis and receive letters daily with stories about discrimination, violence, and pain you react to it like a normal person which is what I did in this situation.

A flagrant disregard for a person's feelings is unacceptable behavior.

I'm not on a soapbox, I'm just stating the facts. Is there a way to fix this? I have no idea. That's up to Olivia to decide, but whatever decision she makes I'll stand behind her 100%.

Sisterhood.

That took the ticket! Amen!

[thenicerguy]

They say a picture say a thousand words.

It's photos of Olivia Love that introduced half the people on this site to transsexuals in the first place.

She may not open her mouth and speak, but her work has made her one of the most vocal women in the industry and in the community.

[tstv_lover]

Well done meghan. Hopefully this will lead to greater awareness and sensitivity in the future.

:claps :claps :claps

[yosi]

I looooooooooove Steve @ Devils. Hes the best! Ive NEVER had a problem with him, and he always treats me with upmost respect. Whenever him and his wife are in vegas or im in LA, we all hang out, and go out to eat, have drinks, etc... he tooked such good care of me, when I went to shoot ANTT 3, I had NEVER got that treatment from any other company. Ive only heard a few complaints from a couple girls about him, but all in all, most things are good, that are said. Of course, youll always have those girls who are never satisfied or take things to the next level... You cant win them all :wink:

I wonder if you will write the same lines after YOU will be called dumb all in the intention of making more $$$ , by degrading YOU , something which was never agreed upon before 8)

[Legend]

I looooooooooove Steve @ Devils. Hes the best! Ive NEVER had a problem with him, and he always treats me with upmost respect. Whenever him and his wife are in vegas or im in LA, we all hang out, and go out to eat, have drinks, etc... he tooked such good care of me, when I went to shoot ANTT 3, I had NEVER got that treatment from any other company. Ive only heard a few complaints from a couple girls about him, but all in all, most things are good, that are said. Of course, youll always have those girls who are never satisfied or take things to the next level... You cant win them all :wink:

Are you aiming to be on the cover of ANTT 4? Because after reading that conversation that steve guy sounds like a jackass.

[sucka4chix]

Ok, let me post my apparently unpopular view: I don't think it was meant to be offensive and as a consumer I wouldn't have taken it as offensive. When I saw the cover I thought it meant Olivia could not hear and could not speak. So no, everyone who saw this would NOT think she's not smart. If in fact she was to allow them to mention her condition, how SHOULD they word it? With some long drawn out politically correct definition that no one understands?! THAT would be stupid.
I also was not appalled be the messaging. I didn't see it as rude. He said he apologized etc.. but it wasn't enough. Maybe you could point out all the asshole stuff I missed.I don't think either side has grounds for a successful lawsuit, but I'm no lawyer.
If she wanted it changed, he could've changed it because she asked, just for GP, but the wording wasn't going to damage her career or anything like that. I agree with him that any fan who read that and thought she was dumb, is a stupid fan.
Why the fuck do people always try to relate every thing they consider wrong to the plight of black people in America? Using the word dumb in this instance cannot be compared to the use of nigger. When did nigger ever have another meaning? When was it NOT meant to demean. You chose to compare it to the word nigger simply for shock value. Hmmm, sorta like the pornographer did... Birds of a feather... A more appropriate comparison would be the word oriental. This is a word used in the past that now is seen as insulting. BUT MANY PEOPLE WHO USED TO USE IT, DIDN'T GET THE MEMO. So if an Asian person is called oriental, IT'S AN HONEST MISTAKE. Who the fuck can call someone a nigger and say it's an honest mistake. So drop that stupid analogy!
Finally, as I've said before--- IT'S PORN. It's amazing how many of you expect to find morals, ethics and values in porn! You don't believe in God, you disdain church, yet you think purveyors of filth should follow some moral guidelines. What's more--- it's DEVIL'S FILMS. How fucking ironic!
You guys even Seanchai don't go back far enough in porn. The dark brothers used to put out shit with guys in black face and KKK members fucking black chicks... Now that shit was offensive! But you can't complain about evil shit being evil. It's like dancing with the devil and complaining about the heat!

[chefmike]

Ok, let me post my apparently unpopular view: I don't think it was meant to be offensive and as a consumer I wouldn't have taken it as offensive. When I saw the cover I thought it meant Olivia could not hear and could not speak. So no, everyone who saw this would NOT think she's not smart. If in fact she was to allow them to mention her condition, how SHOULD they word it? With some long drawn out politically correct definition that no one understands?! THAT would be stupid.
I also was not appalled be the messaging. I didn't see it as rude. He said he apologized etc.. but it wasn't enough. Maybe you could point out all the asshole stuff I missed.I don't think either side has grounds for a successful lawsuit, but I'm no lawyer.
If she wanted it changed, he could've changed it because she asked, just for GP, but the wording wasn't going to damage her career or anything like that. I agree with him that any fan who read that and thought she was dumb, is a stupid fan.
Why the fuck do people always try to relate every thing they consider wrong to the plight of black people in America? Using the word dumb in this instance cannot be compared to the use of nigger. When did nigger ever have another meaning? When was it NOT meant to demean. You chose to compare it to the word nigger simply for shock value. Hmmm, sorta like the pornographer did... Birds of a feather... A more appropriate comparison would be the word oriental. This is a word used in the past that now is seen as insulting. BUT MANY PEOPLE WHO USED TO USE IT, DIDN'T GET THE MEMO. So if an Asian person is called oriental, IT'S AN HONEST MISTAKE. Who the fuck can call someone a nigger and say it's an honest mistake. So drop that stupid analogy!
Finally, as I've said before--- IT'S PORN. It's amazing how many of you expect to find morals, ethics and values in porn! You don't believe in God, you disdain church, yet you think purveyors of filth should follow some moral guidelines. What's more--- it's DEVIL'S FILMS. How fucking ironic!
You guys even Seanchai don't go back far enough in porn. The dark brothers used to put out shit with guys in black face and KKK members fucking black chicks... Now that shit was offensive! But you can't complain about evil shit being evil. It's like dancing with the devil and complaining about the heat!

SOMEONE CALLED HER A NIGGER?

[cookiepuss]

They say a picture say a thousand words.

It's photos of Olivia Love that introduced half the people on this site to transsexuals in the first place.

She may not open her mouth and speak, but her work has made her one of the most vocal women in the industry and in the community.

Agree. She introduced me to the TS scene in 2000 with pics of her in a yellow bikini!!! :D I hope to meet her one day.
I wish her all the best!

[GroobyKrissy]

Ok, let me post my apparently unpopular view: I don't think it was meant to be offensive and as a consumer I wouldn't have taken it as offensive. When I saw the cover I thought it meant Olivia could not hear and could not speak. So no, everyone who saw this would NOT think she's not smart. If in fact she was to allow them to mention her condition, how SHOULD they word it? With some long drawn out politically correct definition that no one understands?! THAT would be stupid.
I also was not appalled be the messaging. I didn't see it as rude. He said he apologized etc.. but it wasn't enough. Maybe you could point out all the asshole stuff I missed.I don't think either side has grounds for a successful lawsuit, but I'm no lawyer.
If she wanted it changed, he could've changed it because she asked, just for GP, but the wording wasn't going to damage her career or anything like that. I agree with him that any fan who read that and thought she was dumb, is a stupid fan.
Why the fuck do people always try to relate every thing they consider wrong to the plight of black people in America? Using the word dumb in this instance cannot be compared to the use of nigger. When did nigger ever have another meaning? When was it NOT meant to demean. You chose to compare it to the word nigger simply for shock value. Hmmm, sorta like the pornographer did... Birds of a feather... A more appropriate comparison would be the word oriental. This is a word used in the past that now is seen as insulting. BUT MANY PEOPLE WHO USED TO USE IT, DIDN'T GET THE MEMO. So if an Asian person is called oriental, IT'S AN HONEST MISTAKE. Who the fuck can call someone a nigger and say it's an honest mistake. So drop that stupid analogy!
Finally, as I've said before--- IT'S PORN. It's amazing how many of you expect to find morals, ethics and values in porn! You don't believe in God, you disdain church, yet you think purveyors of filth should follow some moral guidelines. What's more--- it's DEVIL'S FILMS. How fucking ironic!
You guys even Seanchai don't go back far enough in porn. The dark brothers used to put out shit with guys in black face and KKK members fucking black chicks... Now that shit was offensive! But you can't complain about evil shit being evil. It's like dancing with the devil and complaining about the heat!

Your message was reposted on the HD thread and I wrote this response there. Thought it only fair to post it here as well.

Anyway...there are PLENTY of ways to say what they intended... '...but she is deaf and her mouth is so full of cock that...' I could list more right off the bat but I'm sure you get the point. I don't see anyone asking for a 'long drawn out politically correct definition.'

It was unfortunate that the conversation got posted in my opinion. Both sides had their heated moments and probably said some things they wish they could take back. But, the overall tone of the conversation is hardly civil. At best unprofessional, at worst belittling and ridiculing what should have been taken from the start as a serious request.

As an Asian, let me say, if I was featured on a box cover that described me as 'Oriental,' I would do exactly what Olivia did and request it be changed or removed. I would expect my request to be taken seriously, honored (contract or not), and responded to appropriately. This does not seem to be the case here.

Please... do not confuse or bunch together morals, values, and ethics. Completely different subjects. I don't see anyone asking for morals or values to be found in the Porn Industry. Ethics... yes. The Porn Industry is a business and should operate within the confines of every other business in the world. This is an entirely different debate however and not one that I care to enter into at the moment.

I'm sorry but I can't at all see how this was construed to be 'brilliant' (by Vicki Richter on the HD thread). Some fairly faulty logic displayed here and completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. Seems like just baiting controversy.

[Danielle Foxx]

1-Ok, let me post my apparently unpopular view: I don't think it was meant to be offensive and as a consumer I wouldn't have taken it as offensive.
2-If in fact she was to allow them to mention her condition, how SHOULD they word it?
3-IT'S PORN. It's amazing how many of you expect to find morals, ethics and values in porn! You don't believe in God, you disdain church, yet you think purveyors of filth should follow some moral guidelines. What's more--- it's DEVIL'S FILMS. How fucking ironic!

Response to:

1) It wasn't an honest mistake. . It was a mistake by an honestly idiotic and unsympathetic idiot - a cheap nasty attempt at making a joke that obviously no one thought was funny. Talking about dancing with the devil huh?

2) Olivia's hearing impairment isn't something that needs to be addressed to sell her as a porn star. She has proven throughout the years that she can put on a great show. I had the pleasure of working with her for the latest set she did for shemalestrokers.com and she wasn't treated any differently then anyone else we shoot. She was on time, looked great, put on a great show - professional! We don't mention the fact she is deaf as a selling point to her scenes because it is irrelevant to her performance, and we would never try to make her disability a joke, even if it was an honest mistake - we would have corrected it without any question and issued her a apology right away.

3) morals, ethics and values in porn - There are some people who do make honest movies that depict people in a good light such as my boss, steven from yum, bob, even Joey Silvera has his standards. People such as Max hardcore who humiliate women on film are an exception to this of corse.
There is nothing immoral about making adult films. What is set as immoral by society isn't really important because everyone's opinions differs in this manner. You can ask 100 people that question and it will be split 1/2 and 1/2. The truth is, porn production competes even with the movie industry these days. It generates an enormous amount of tax dollars, which help pay for many of the freedoms we have in this country.
The truth question is - if you think that porn is immoral why the fuck are you lurking on a site geared to that specific consumer?

LET'S ALL GET ONE THING STRAIGHT HERE ( I know that is a stretch for most of you in here but... ) THERE IS NOTHING IMMORAL ABOUT PORN! IT IS AN HONEST AND GOOD LIVING!

[TommyFoxtrot]

That's strange, I thought "she looks deaf" from her pics. She isn't lifelong deaf is she? If she only lost her hearing recently I'd be surprised.

[TommyFoxtrot]

1-Ok, let me post my apparently unpopular view: I don't think it was meant to be offensive and as a consumer I wouldn't have taken it as offensive.
2-If in fact she was to allow them to mention her condition, how SHOULD they word it?
3-IT'S PORN. It's amazing how many of you expect to find morals, ethics and values in porn! You don't believe in God, you disdain church, yet you think purveyors of filth should follow some moral guidelines. What's more--- it's DEVIL'S FILMS. How fucking ironic!

Response to:

1) It wasn't an honest mistake. . It was a mistake by an honestly idiotic and unsympathetic idiot - a cheap nasty attempt at making a joke that obviously no one thought was funny. Talking about dancing with the devil huh?

2) Olivia's hearing impairment isn't something that needs to be addressed to sell her as a porn star. She has proven throughout the years that she can put on a great show. I had the pleasure of working with her for the latest set she did for shemalestrokers.com and she wasn't treated any differently then anyone else we shoot. She was on time, looked great, put on a great show - professional! We don't mention the fact she is deaf as a selling point to her scenes because it is irrelevant to her performance, and we would never try to make her disability a joke, even if it was an honest mistake - we would have corrected it without any question and issued her a apology right away.

3) morals, ethics and values in porn - There are some people who do make honest movies that depict people in a good light such as my boss, steven from yum, bob, even Joey Silvera has his standards. People such as Max hardcore who humiliate women on film are an exception to this of corse.
There is nothing immoral about making adult films. What is set as immoral by society isn't really important because everyone's opinions differs in this manner. You can ask 100 people that question and it will be split 1/2 and 1/2. The truth is, porn production competes even with the movie industry these days. It generates an enormous amount of tax dollars, which help pay for many of the freedoms we have in this country.
The truth question is - if you think that porn is immoral why the fuck are you lurking on a site geared to that specific consumer?

LET'S ALL GET ONE THING STRAIGHT HERE ( I know that is a stretch for most of you in here but... ) THERE IS NOTHING IMMORAL ABOUT PORN! IT IS AN HONEST AND GOOD LIVING!


Porn might not be immoral, but there are a lot of immoral people making it. Buying it too I guess. Paying somebody nothing so you step on their neck and spit in their face calling them a worthless piece of trash. Yeah it's consensual but.....

Oh why the hell do I even post. I know this shit has been fought over a million times. There are scumbags in porn, and this Devils Film box is a relatively mild example of porn industry scumbaggotry.

[yosi]

1-Ok, let me post my apparently unpopular view: I don't think it was meant to be offensive and as a consumer I wouldn't have taken it as offensive.
2-If in fact she was to allow them to mention her condition, how SHOULD they word it?
3-IT'S PORN. It's amazing how many of you expect to find morals, ethics and values in porn! You don't believe in God, you disdain church, yet you think purveyors of filth should follow some moral guidelines. What's more--- it's DEVIL'S FILMS. How fucking ironic!

Response to:

1) It wasn't an honest mistake. . It was a mistake by an honestly idiotic and unsympathetic idiot - a cheap nasty attempt at making a joke that obviously no one thought was funny. Talking about dancing with the devil huh?

2) Olivia's hearing impairment isn't something that needs to be addressed to sell her as a porn star. She has proven throughout the years that she can put on a great show. I had the pleasure of working with her for the latest set she did for shemalestrokers.com and she wasn't treated any differently then anyone else we shoot. She was on time, looked great, put on a great show - professional! We don't mention the fact she is deaf as a selling point to her scenes because it is irrelevant to her performance, and we would never try to make her disability a joke, even if it was an honest mistake - we would have corrected it without any question and issued her a apology right away.

3) morals, ethics and values in porn - There are some people who do make honest movies that depict people in a good light such as my boss, steven from yum, bob, even Joey Silvera has his standards. People such as Max hardcore who humiliate women on film are an exception to this of corse.
There is nothing immoral about making adult films. What is set as immoral by society isn't really important because everyone's opinions differs in this manner. You can ask 100 people that question and it will be split 1/2 and 1/2. The truth is, porn production competes even with the movie industry these days. It generates an enormous amount of tax dollars, which help pay for many of the freedoms we have in this country.
The truth question is - if you think that porn is immoral why the fuck are you lurking on a site geared to that specific consumer?

LET'S ALL GET ONE THING STRAIGHT HERE ( I know that is a stretch for most of you in here but... ) THERE IS NOTHING IMMORAL ABOUT PORN! IT IS AN HONEST AND GOOD LIVING!


Porn might not be immoral, but there are a lot of immoral people making it. Buying it too I guess. Paying somebody nothing so you step on their neck and spit in their face calling them a worthless piece of trash. Yeah it's consensual but.....

Oh why the hell do I even post. I know this shit has been fought over a million times. There are scumbags in porn, and this Devils Film box is a relatively mild example of porn industry scumbaggotry.

oh, those poeple who hate themselves for loving porn , but can't do without it.......................so other poeple have to apologise for their own ( intentional? ) mistakes 8)

someone just whispered in my ear that Olivia Love is also a human , realy.

[Danielle Foxx]

Oh why the hell do I even post. I know this shit has been fought over a million times. There are scumbags in porn, and this Devils Film box is a relatively mild example of porn industry scumbaggotry.

I am not disagreeing with you at all, just elaborating on the positive side of porn so that people know that there is honest porn out there and honest people making it and making a living off of it.

You have no idea the length that shemalestrokers.com and partner sites goes through to make sure all is lawful and that no one gets offended. We keep more paperwork on people then the Social Security Office, we have many filters to keep minors off the site, we never show genitals... but pointless is right...

There will always be assholes and there will always be Karma, but as they say - Payback is a bitch!

[SexxxyJade]

I knew that it was only a matter of time before something like this would come out and Steve Volponi would be exposed for is unfair business practices. I have also had a bad experience with Mr Volponi and I SO regret working with him. Im sure some of you remember the falling out I had with Wendy Williams last year, all because Mr Volponi is a money hungry producer who doesn't care about anything much more than a profit. I should have listened to Wendy when she warned me that he was a liar and a manipulator. I wont get into many details about my experience with him because it is long gone and im over it, but to say hes a douche bag or an asshole is n understatement. I encourage all girls in the industry not to work with him until he learns how to respect us and treat us like individuals. This man will literally tell you anything u want to hear to get you to do what he wants, and after its over its kinda like fuck you.
Im sorry Olivia has went thru this but i don't think its even about rather the wording on the box cover was right or wrong anymore. Now its about TS rights in porn. And Steven Volponi needs to learn how to respect those rights and treat everyone he hires fairly. Personally I never intend to work for him again. He has very poor business practices and is basically out to use girls for profit. We cannot allow him to continue to treat us unfairly.

[TommyFoxtrot]

1-Ok, let me post my apparently unpopular view: I don't think it was meant to be offensive and as a consumer I wouldn't have taken it as offensive.
2-If in fact she was to allow them to mention her condition, how SHOULD they word it?
3-IT'S PORN. It's amazing how many of you expect to find morals, ethics and values in porn! You don't believe in God, you disdain church, yet you think purveyors of filth should follow some moral guidelines. What's more--- it's DEVIL'S FILMS. How fucking ironic!

Response to:

1) It wasn't an honest mistake. . It was a mistake by an honestly idiotic and unsympathetic idiot - a cheap nasty attempt at making a joke that obviously no one thought was funny. Talking about dancing with the devil huh?

2) Olivia's hearing impairment isn't something that needs to be addressed to sell her as a porn star. She has proven throughout the years that she can put on a great show. I had the pleasure of working with her for the latest set she did for shemalestrokers.com and she wasn't treated any differently then anyone else we shoot. She was on time, looked great, put on a great show - professional! We don't mention the fact she is deaf as a selling point to her scenes because it is irrelevant to her performance, and we would never try to make her disability a joke, even if it was an honest mistake - we would have corrected it without any question and issued her a apology right away.

3) morals, ethics and values in porn - There are some people who do make honest movies that depict people in a good light such as my boss, steven from yum, bob, even Joey Silvera has his standards. People such as Max hardcore who humiliate women on film are an exception to this of corse.
There is nothing immoral about making adult films. What is set as immoral by society isn't really important because everyone's opinions differs in this manner. You can ask 100 people that question and it will be split 1/2 and 1/2. The truth is, porn production competes even with the movie industry these days. It generates an enormous amount of tax dollars, which help pay for many of the freedoms we have in this country.
The truth question is - if you think that porn is immoral why the fuck are you lurking on a site geared to that specific consumer?

LET'S ALL GET ONE THING STRAIGHT HERE ( I know that is a stretch for most of you in here but... ) THERE IS NOTHING IMMORAL ABOUT PORN! IT IS AN HONEST AND GOOD LIVING!


Porn might not be immoral, but there are a lot of immoral people making it. Buying it too I guess. Paying somebody nothing so you step on their neck and spit in their face calling them a worthless piece of trash. Yeah it's consensual but.....

Oh why the hell do I even post. I know this shit has been fought over a million times. There are scumbags in porn, and this Devils Film box is a relatively mild example of porn industry scumbaggotry.

oh, those poeple who hate themselves for loving porn , but can't do without it.......................so other poeple have to apologise for their own ( intentional? ) mistakes 8)

someone just whispered in my ear that Olivia Love is also a human , realy.


Why are you replying to me with that?

[TommyFoxtrot]

I knew that it was only a matter of time before something like this would come out and Steve Volponi would be exposed for is unfair business practices. I have also had a bad experience with Mr Volponi and I SO regret working with him. Im sure some of you remember the falling out I had with Wendy Williams last year, all because Mr Volponi is a money hungry producer who doesn't care about anything much more than a profit. I should have listened to Wendy when she warned me that he was a liar and a manipulator. I wont get into many details about my experience with him because it is long gone and im over it, but to say hes a douche bag or an asshole is n understatement. I encourage all girls in the industry not to work with him until he learns how to respect us and treat us like individuals. This man will literally tell you anything u want to hear to get you to do what he wants, and after its over its kinda like fuck you.
Im sorry Olivia has went thru this but i don't think its even about rather the wording on the box cover was right or wrong anymore. Now its about TS rights in porn. And Steven Volponi needs to learn how to respect those rights and treat everyone he hires fairly. Personally I never intend to work for him again. He has very poor business practices and is basically out to use girls for profit. We cannot allow him to continue to treat us unfairly.

Is that his actual name or a psuedonym?

[TommyFoxtrot]

Oh why the hell do I even post. I know this shit has been fought over a million times. There are scumbags in porn, and this Devils Film box is a relatively mild example of porn industry scumbaggotry.

I am not disagreeing with you at all, just elaborating on the positive side of porn so that people know that there is honest porn out there and honest people making it and making a living off of it.

You have no idea the length that shemalestrokers.com and partner sites goes through to make sure all is lawful and that no one gets offended. We keep more paperwork on people then the Social Security Office, we have many filters to keep minors off the site, we never show genitals... but pointless is right...

There will always be assholes and there will always be Karma, but as they say - Payback is a bitch!

I believe you. But at the same time, is the Tgirl genre representative of Porn in general? I would doubt it. Smaller Talent pool means connections probably matter more, bad behavior impacts more. Then a lot of the folks filming and producing are probably performers or former performers.

On top of that, you have that whole nebulous womanly/nurturing/collective thing. Obviously chicks are scumbags too, but I wouldn't be surprised if the female mindset lends itself to wanting to work towards a common cause.

Or maybe it's a LGBT thing? I've always noticed that gays seem to be able to build a business out of nothing. My Dad always said that Gays have the cleanest restaurants....

[Hannibal Lecter]

1-Ok, let me post my apparently unpopular view: I don't think it was meant to be offensive and as a consumer I wouldn't have taken it as offensive.
2-If in fact she was to allow them to mention her condition, how SHOULD they word it?
3-IT'S PORN. It's amazing how many of you expect to find morals, ethics and values in porn! You don't believe in God, you disdain church, yet you think purveyors of filth should follow some moral guidelines. What's more--- it's DEVIL'S FILMS. How fucking ironic!

Response to:

1) It wasn't an honest mistake. . It was a mistake by an honestly idiotic and unsympathetic idiot - a cheap nasty attempt at making a joke that obviously no one thought was funny. Talking about dancing with the devil huh?

2) Olivia's hearing impairment isn't something that needs to be addressed to sell her as a porn star. She has proven throughout the years that she can put on a great show. I had the pleasure of working with her for the latest set she did for shemalestrokers.com and she wasn't treated any differently then anyone else we shoot. She was on time, looked great, put on a great show - professional! We don't mention the fact she is deaf as a selling point to her scenes because it is irrelevant to her performance, and we would never try to make her disability a joke, even if it was an honest mistake - we would have corrected it without any question and issued her a apology right away.

3) morals, ethics and values in porn - There are some people who do make honest movies that depict people in a good light such as my boss, steven from yum, bob, even Joey Silvera has his standards. People such as Max hardcore who humiliate women on film are an exception to this of corse.
There is nothing immoral about making adult films. What is set as immoral by society isn't really important because everyone's opinions differs in this manner. You can ask 100 people that question and it will be split 1/2 and 1/2. The truth is, porn production competes even with the movie industry these days. It generates an enormous amount of tax dollars, which help pay for many of the freedoms we have in this country.
The truth question is - if you think that porn is immoral why the fuck are you lurking on a site geared to that specific consumer?

LET'S ALL GET ONE THING STRAIGHT HERE ( I know that is a stretch for most of you in here but... ) THERE IS NOTHING IMMORAL ABOUT PORN! IT IS AN HONEST AND GOOD LIVING!

In it's essence porn is immoral, denying that is ridiculous. That's one thing.
Another thing, even if i know that's the case, nothing stops me to watch it
occasionally and even enjoy it sometimes, it's like - even if i know that
killing the cow is a very brutal thing i still eat the cow and enjoy eating it.
Why? Well who cares, it's only a cow! Cows are supposed to be eaten, prostitutes are
supposed to be fucked. That's the way it is.


"THERE IS NOTHING IMMORAL ABOUT PORN! IT IS AN HONEST AND GOOD LIVING!"

Yes, it's good and even honest living from your perspective. But how about, say,
your parents? They know you are a porn star, a bunch of the people around them
know the same fact, that their daughter is a prostitute.. Quite embarasing from their
perspective, isn't it? And while you are living great life as prostitute,
they on the other side have to deal with something very bad that their own daughter
served them, and that is a life long burden, isn't it? And still they must gather enough
courage to continue being supportive and shit like that. Quite egoistic, isn't it?
I know that quite often there are many bad parents around that might be a cause of all that,
but it's not allways the case. In fact, it's quite opposite. Quite often, most parents
really do not deserve that.

What we are talking about here in this very thread is actually somewhat weird situation where a cow is claiming to be
something else than simply a cow - hey, i'm a supercow. Muhuu! Metaphorically speaking,
of course.

[tstv_lover]

Ok, let me post my apparently unpopular view: I don't think it was meant to be offensive and as a consumer I wouldn't have taken it as offensive. When I saw the cover I thought it meant Olivia could not hear and could not speak. So no, everyone who saw this would NOT think she's not smart. If in fact she was to allow them to mention her condition, how SHOULD they word it? With some long drawn out politically correct definition that no one understands?! THAT would be stupid.
I also was not appalled be the messaging. I didn't see it as rude.

The important person here is Olivia. It doesn't matter what you or I or anyone else thinks.

Olivia is hearing impaired. This does not stop her from working, indeed she is a star performer in her chosen career. However to have someone misrepresent the extent of her impairment and refuse to pay $200 to redress this offence, is unacceptable.

[Nikka]

Lesson #87653:

this kind of discussions on online boards are useless

[JeniferTS]

Lesson #87653:

this kind of discussions on online boards are useless

it's gotten repetitive and boring as well.

[Cubpocalypse]

The funniest thing about this thread is expecting sensitivity in an arena that uses the words SHEMALE, TRANNY & HE-SHE on a daily basis. Or the ever popular, chick with a dick. You'd be boycotting every porn company ever if you were consistent. And about 80% of movies titles ....

[hollysweet]

Ok, let me post my apparently unpopular view: I don't think it was meant to be offensive and as a consumer I wouldn't have taken it as offensive. When I saw the cover I thought it meant Olivia could not hear and could not speak. So no, everyone who saw this would NOT think she's not smart. If in fact she was to allow them to mention her condition, how SHOULD they word it? With some long drawn out politically correct definition that no one understands?! THAT would be stupid.
I also was not appalled be the messaging. I didn't see it as rude. He said he apologized etc.. but it wasn't enough. Maybe you could point out all the asshole stuff I missed.I don't think either side has grounds for a successful lawsuit, but I'm no lawyer.
If she wanted it changed, he could've changed it because she asked, just for GP, but the wording wasn't going to damage her career or anything like that. I agree with him that any fan who read that and thought she was dumb, is a stupid fan.
Why the fuck do people always try to relate every thing they consider wrong to the plight of black people in America? Using the word dumb in this instance cannot be compared to the use of nigger. When did nigger ever have another meaning? When was it NOT meant to demean. You chose to compare it to the word nigger simply for shock value. Hmmm, sorta like the pornographer did... Birds of a feather... A more appropriate comparison would be the word oriental. This is a word used in the past that now is seen as insulting. BUT MANY PEOPLE WHO USED TO USE IT, DIDN'T GET THE MEMO. So if an Asian person is called oriental, IT'S AN HONEST MISTAKE. Who the fuck can call someone a nigger and say it's an honest mistake. So drop that stupid analogy!
Finally, as I've said before--- IT'S PORN. It's amazing how many of you expect to find morals, ethics and values in porn! You don't believe in God, you disdain church, yet you think purveyors of filth should follow some moral guidelines. What's more--- it's DEVIL'S FILMS. How fucking ironic!
You guys even Seanchai don't go back far enough in porn. The dark brothers used to put out shit with guys in black face and KKK members fucking black chicks... Now that shit was offensive! But you can't complain about evil shit being evil. It's like dancing with the devil and complaining about the heat!

AMEN VERY GOOD POST THIS HAS GONE WAYYYYY OVER BOARD I LOVE THEM BOTH BUT COME ON THIS WAS ALSO BETWEEN STEVE AND OLIVIA FOR SOME ONE ELSE TO COME ON HERE STARTING ALL OF IT WHEN SHE HER SELF DIDNT EVEN KNOW IF IT HAD AND WHICH IT HAS BEEN FIXED YET IS JUST STUPID IN ITS SELF !!!

[blacktgirls]

the good thing about Devils Films is they were the 1st company to make t-girl porn and they used mostly U.S. girls. ...... the bad thing about Devils films is they shoot on soundstages , there photography is shit , no straight dude wants a plot and therefore they suck ass . .... Joey Silvera is #1!!!

[whatislove]

ok but did you hear about her new record label?

Yes it's JayZ's Def Jam!

[rockabilly]

the good thing about Devils Films is they were the 1st company to make t-girl porn and they used mostly U.S. girls. ...... the bad thing about Devils films is they shoot on soundstages , there photography is shit , no straight dude wants a plot and therefore they suck ass . .... Joey Silvera is #1!!!
Am i the only one who wants a story or a little setup in Tgirl porn? I'm not asking for oscar caliber dialogue but gimme somethin.

[Dirky]

the good thing about Devils Films is they were the 1st company to make t-girl porn and they used mostly U.S. girls. ...... the bad thing about Devils films is they shoot on soundstages , there photography is shit , no straight dude wants a plot and therefore they suck ass . .... Joey Silvera is #1!!!
Am i the only one who wants a story or a little setup in Tgirl porn? I'm not asking for oscar caliber dialogue but gimme somethin.

Apparently you're 'gay' if you do.

I like a little bit of a plot to go with my porn, TG or otherwise. Straight wall-to wall sex gets repetitive and boring after awhile.

[rockabilly]

Whatever , but the same old stuff gets boring real quick. Same dude shows up , fucks girl , blows his load on her then fade out , then repeat. At least do something different ... spoof a movie or tv show.

[Dirky]

Whatever , but the same old stuff gets boring real quick. Same dude shows up , fucks girl , blows his load on her then fade out , then repeat. At least do something different ... spoof a movie or tv show.

That's why I'm looking forward to the forthcoming Hazel Does Hollywood. It's supposedly a throwback to the older type of porn movies that came out of the 70's.

[werwt22]

You know this cracks me the hell up. Nearly every title in porn is fucked up and has been for quite some time. Dont fucking complain now though. Shoulda nipped that in the bud long ago. Im sorry if you felt you were disrespected, but look at all the other titles out there with fucked up wording. Happens all the time. Look at ghetto gaggers. Couple white guys go around degrade and choke the shit outta black girls til they upchuck and then bust on their face. What the fuck type shit is that? But hey, you guys keep fuckin buying the shit and/or doing the roles, yet complain about them. Wont get much sympathy from me in regards to the industry.

[Quiet Reflections]

You know this cracks me the hell up. Nearly every title in porn is fucked up and has been for quite some time. Dont fucking complain now though. Shoulda nipped that in the bud long ago. Im sorry if you felt you were disrespected, but look at all the other titles out there with fucked up wording. Happens all the time. Look at ghetto gaggers. Couple white guys go around degrade and choke the shit outta black girls til they upchuck and then bust on their face. What the fuck type shit is that? But hey, you guys keep fuckin buying the shit and/or doing the roles, yet complain about them. Wont get much sympathy from me in regards to the industry.
No way I'm buying this movie.......but i will download it for free

[rockabilly]

Whatever , but the same old stuff gets boring real quick. Same dude shows up , fucks girl , blows his load on her then fade out , then repeat. At least do something different ... spoof a movie or tv show.

That's why I'm looking forward to the forthcoming Hazel Does Hollywood. It's supposedly a throwback to the older type of porn movies that came out of the 70's.
Exactly , I mean cheezy lines and setups. Give you full entertainment story/sex, & Hazels hot.

[cookiepuss]

Whatever , but the same old stuff gets boring real quick. Same dude shows up , fucks girl , blows his load on her then fade out , then repeat. At least do something different ... spoof a movie or tv show.

That's why I'm looking forward to the forthcoming Hazel Does Hollywood. It's supposedly a throwback to the older type of porn movies that came out of the 70's.
Exactly , I mean cheezy lines and setups. Give you full entertainment story/sex, & Hazels hot.

Right on! One thing I'm sick of seeing is that bald dude crushing all that TS ass. Not that I'm into watchin' dudes, but c'mon.

nice avatar btw.

[jjhill]

Whatever , but the same old stuff gets boring real quick. Same dude shows up , fucks girl , blows his load on her then fade out , then repeat. At least do something different ... spoof a movie or tv show.

That's why I'm looking forward to the forthcoming Hazel Does Hollywood. It's supposedly a throwback to the older type of porn movies that came out of the 70's.
Exactly , I mean cheezy lines and setups. Give you full entertainment story/sex, & Hazels hot.

Right on! One thing I'm sick of seeing is that bald dude crushing all that TS ass. Not that I'm into watchin' dudes, but c'mon.

nice avatar btw.

Which? it's two of them lol

[rockabilly]

Thanks , I swear it's the same guy in all of them. Is he the go to guy for trans-porn? Maybe they have a factory like in Terminator and all the model 101's lookalike. LOL!

[timxxx]

Most of the guys posting here don't really give a fuck,they are just showing out for the girls.Some guys here can't resist the chance to play Captain Save A Hoe.
Can Performers who choose to work for a company that releases tiles like "Filthy Shemale Sluts" & "Big Black Beast" be that surprised the something on their box cover may offend them ?

I'm sure if Devil Films could find find 3 or 4 girls who couldn't speak or hear,they would call a whole film Deaf & Dumb Sluts.

If this Steve Volponi character is such a scumbag(scumbag porn producer :shock: ) the girls should refuse to work for him. That will make him change his ways.:roll:


Btw
I must have watch over 20 scenes with Oliva Love didn't know she is unable to speak or hear,always watch porn with the sound off. :wink:

[Olivia Love]

okay i brought this up about deaf n dumb i merely asked to delete the dumb part. since i can speak and have a Voice. The reason i wont accept his apology is because the change havent been made on the boxes and the promotion on sites. Dumb doesnt describe me at all. i actually thought Steve was awesome guy til i hear stuff and learned that info deaf and dumb pasted on the back cover. i loved the picture it was great
~ so Holly he may have lied to u i dont know for sure so go look at the link http://www.devilsdistribution.com/catalog.php?cmd=detail&dvd_id=1707 and tell me if the change has been made....

deaf and dumb is very offensive term to describe deaf person porn or not .. i dont care if im called deaf slut deaf white whore etc .. i have spoke to steve with my own voice of course it may not be perfect .. i am not seeking sympathy at all . i am here to educate the folks .
Deaf were considered deaf n dumb centuries ago cuz they were put in mental instution due to not able to understand or communicate. with them. it is like calling a black person the n word in the old south centuries ago its a prejudice .. i havent seen nigger or spic chink printed on the box covers
Now days deaf people has culture sources to learn, much better communication skills with proper trainings and education.. this is 2009 theyre even having american sign language classes in hs and colleges/universities as forgein language course... alll these technologies for us all to help one other to understand..
i merely posted the conversations to get feedbacks so i can understand the hearing people views and find out why they keep using these term Deaf and Dumb ..
i totally agree with Jade about treatments to the adult actresses .. its about respect for one other and not to be labeled by their disabilties or races... the ones that does the degrading porn are aware of the wordings or printing describing them and the scene plot... theres also ethics issue . I wasnt aware of the wordings til steve forwarded me the link to see the cover etc and i read the wordings of course first reactions are upset and anger . i may have said things i didnt meant..so im trying to make a point for yall to understand the deafness..
i view porn as art it should be done in a respectful manner do not stereotype the classy porn flicks with these others where actresses or actors enjoy to be degraded.. i totally agree with the creativity part and plot etc ... do not forget we do have preferences in several types of porn...plus we are only human

[meghanchavalier]

Ok, let me post my apparently unpopular view: I don't think it was meant to be offensive and as a consumer I wouldn't have taken it as offensive. When I saw the cover I thought it meant Olivia could not hear and could not speak. So no, everyone who saw this would NOT think she's not smart. If in fact she was to allow them to mention her condition, how SHOULD they word it? With some long drawn out politically correct definition that no one understands?! THAT would be stupid.
I also was not appalled be the messaging. I didn't see it as rude. He said he apologized etc.. but it wasn't enough. Maybe you could point out all the asshole stuff I missed.I don't think either side has grounds for a successful lawsuit, but I'm no lawyer.
If she wanted it changed, he could've changed it because she asked, just for GP, but the wording wasn't going to damage her career or anything like that. I agree with him that any fan who read that and thought she was dumb, is a stupid fan.
Why the fuck do people always try to relate every thing they consider wrong to the plight of black people in America? Using the word dumb in this instance cannot be compared to the use of nigger. When did nigger ever have another meaning? When was it NOT meant to demean. You chose to compare it to the word nigger simply for shock value. Hmmm, sorta like the pornographer did... Birds of a feather... A more appropriate comparison would be the word oriental. This is a word used in the past that now is seen as insulting. BUT MANY PEOPLE WHO USED TO USE IT, DIDN'T GET THE MEMO. So if an Asian person is called oriental, IT'S AN HONEST MISTAKE. Who the fuck can call someone a nigger and say it's an honest mistake. So drop that stupid analogy!
Finally, as I've said before--- IT'S PORN. It's amazing how many of you expect to find morals, ethics and values in porn! You don't believe in God, you disdain church, yet you think purveyors of filth should follow some moral guidelines. What's more--- it's DEVIL'S FILMS. How fucking ironic!
You guys even Seanchai don't go back far enough in porn. The dark brothers used to put out shit with guys in black face and KKK members fucking black chicks... Now that shit was offensive! But you can't complain about evil shit being evil. It's like dancing with the devil and complaining about the heat!

AMEN VERY GOOD POST THIS HAS GONE WAYYYYY OVER BOARD I LOVE THEM BOTH BUT COME ON THIS WAS ALSO BETWEEN STEVE AND OLIVIA FOR SOME ONE ELSE TO COME ON HERE STARTING ALL OF IT WHEN SHE HER SELF DIDNT EVEN KNOW IF IT HAD AND WHICH IT HAS BEEN FIXED YET IS JUST STUPID IN ITS SELF !!!

Actually, when Olivia told me about what happened we both decided it was more than a good idea to let the girls know what had happened. Steven emailed me the next day and we went back and forth about the whole situation, and he is a complete douchebag and called me ignorant, and told me I should I should get my facts straight before I spout off at the fucking mouth.

First of all, nobody talks to me like he did. Secondly, if you're friends with him...great...but don't say that what I did was stupid, when the boxcover was still listed on their website for sale with the original version up and in fact, it still is today. It is never stupid to come to the defense of your friends when someone has hurt them, nor is it stupid to let other girls know so they don't find themselves in the same situation.

I am here to defend my friend, Olivia Love, and nothing else. Devils Films isn't even a blip on my radar, I could give a shit less about Steven or the company.

My work with the LGBT Community is the most important thing to me in my life, and when I see what Devils Films did to my friend, guess what? I defend my friend. Just as I would defend anyone in the LGBT Community who was treated like this, but being she is a close friend of mine this one hits closer to home.

I will stand by every word I have said in this post and previous posts and will not back down until the wrongs made right. If he's fixed the boxcover, well, great idea. Maybe the douche should've thought about what he did to begin with.

But if he thinks that he can belittle me or put me down in any way he needs to think again. I didn't work to get where I am today, to let some tool tell me anything about what I do or how I do it.

He thinks transsexuals are stupid. He needs to get a library card before he thinks he can read me into submission.

I stand behind my sisters 100%. Sisterhood.

[meghanchavalier]

And although I thought it wasn't necessary to post the conversation I had with him....here it is. Take from it whatever you want to.

In a message dated 6/3/2009 11:38:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Svolponi1 writes:
First off get the facts before you spout off... the cover was fixed... you're all ridiculous. Shame on you, it was not meant as stupid and everyone knows that.

In a message dated 6/3/2009 9:01:44 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, MeghanC writes:
First off, the cover and back cover are still on your website. Second off, ridiculous is allowing someone to put "Deaf and Dumb" on a boxcover when referring to someone who has worked their ass off for the industry for over 15 years and is loved by everyone in our community.
SHAME ON YOU for being so ignorant.

In a message dated 6/3/2009 12:06:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Svolponi1 writes:
that is a term used to describe the condition... and The entire WORLD knows that. Don't you be so ignorant.

In a message dated 6/3/2009 9:07:46 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, MeghanC writes:
The entire world knows that it's okay to call someone deaf and dumb? This is the problem with the adult film industry Steven, you all think it's okay to put the girls down and treat them like this and think a quick fix makes everything okay. And let's make one thing clear, I am far from ignorant or stupid or ridiculous. So don't let my being a transsexual fool you in any way.

In a message dated 6/3/2009 12:13:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Svolponi1 writes:
the point is your bitter about your relationship with devil's that's not my problem get your facts straight before you spout off your fuckin mouth.

From: MeghanC
To: Svolponi1
Sent: 6/3/2009 12:17:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: Re: (no subject)
I'm bitter about my relationship with Devils? I could care less about Devils Films. I think I've moved on to much better things in my life. But the one thing I did move onto was being an activist for my community, and when I see someone being treated unfairly I jump on it like bees on honey. If I can accuse The Bayer Corporation publicly of inflicting the HIV/AIDS virus on thousands of innocent people, or protesting equal rights for our community in the streets, I think the last thing I'm worried about is Devils Films not liking me. Get over yourself, you're just a guy who runs a porn company.

[tssexychanel]

I find it utterly disgusting to have to deal with ignorance in a place where people who should be understanding are. I won't be getting in long debates here I will continue to do what I am best known for coming stating my opinion and moving on.

We should not have to deal with such insensitivity especially from those that make money off us or get off on us. Who the fuck is anyone to sit in judgement of some one who works in porn. Regardless of what line of business someone is, what kind of lifestyle they lead, thier economic social status, educational or anything else you wanna justify this blatant disrespect about. All people even the ones that I don't personally like deserve to be treated with respect.

I don't know this young lady but I have wasted a good portion of my life reading thru this thread and I felt absolutely horrible for her at Meghans post there was really no need to go further. I am so pissed that she basically had to give proof that it bothered her by posting that IM for most to even start to take this thread seriously.

I am who I have always been and the only thing about me that changes is that I grow and get better. I will always speak out when I sense injustice or insensitivity. So you already know whats coming. You have the option to stop reading now.

First, people need to stop telling other folks stop being so damn sensitive they probably didnt mean it that way. I am a person that takes stuff at face value mainly cause I speak truth and whats on my mind and I dont beat bushes and sprinkle shit on sugar. If it reads one way thats how I am gonna assume its meant til you tell me and explain to me why it don't. No one else can give me an opinion about what another person was thinking or meant cause you dont live in that persons head. Stop pacifying ignorant mother fuckers and call them on they shit.

Second her being deaf had absolutely nothing to do with the overall sexual content of the movie why did this word have to be used other than sensationalismn and to shock and offend. There are many fetishes out there being deaf hasn't come across my desk yet and I specialize in fetish. There is no good reason at all that I could see for this to be used on this box cover. If it was so important to the marketing why not the front cover in bigger letters not backdoored in the way it was if it was so important to the movie? Remember too you are talking to a marketing major when you reply to me.

Third someone said girls know what porn is all about why are they bitching when something happens. Because right is right and wrong is wrong thats why. I also beg to differ thats not what porn is about there are many shady aspects to the business and shady people in it as well but as a whole thats not what the industry is about. I think he said use and abuse was part of the game well boo boo you got the game fucked up cause even in bondage movies, toilet movies and other forms of porn that folks might find degrading there is consent thats the qualifying factor that was not here. This poor girl was blind sided this was not discussed with her before hand. There are some derogatory degrading terms used in porn but people should have the option to know before hand.

Fourth girls need to stop allowing themselves to be used up by these people companies making money off them and not respecting them. We need to grow back bones and spines and stop accepting what is cause its the way it always was. When you know better you do better. Just because you think attitudes won't change is no reason for you to sit biting your tongue with an attitude. This mouth has made me one of the most unpopular girls out there but I can go to bed at nite knowing I am one of the most respected. I stand for myself and what's right and am not a doormat for anyone. Being transexual does not make me a flawed individual that is a target for just anyone out there. I won't accept it. I hear girls complainin to me about clients, boyfriends and companies all the time then justify that dumb shit with well thats how they are. They are like that because you allow it. That old 80's AIDS slogan fits with a lot of things. Silence does equal Death. A piece of you dies inside everytime you sit around and let yourself or anyone like you be treated inhumanely.

Just like my avatar says its easy to dehumanize people you don't know. Thats exactly whats goin on here. What if it was you and just cause its not now don't mean that you won't be next. People need to stop thinking with this its not me so oh well attitude.

Ingnorance is not bliss boo boo thats the lie they tell every one here transexual or not needs to do a real good self examination. Especially to those men that sneak into our lives then go back to your so called str8 life umm boo boo this as much your issue as Olivias cause to main stream America you still a perverted freak. Its sad that in a safe space where people have similiar sexual appetites you have so much ignorance and bigotry. I left this forum and rarely posted here when I was a regular for this very reason. How can a bunch of freaks turn around and alienate those in the same community. Its like black folks always giving me shit when they should understand my struggle and be a system of support.

I was accused of the site owners of shameless self promotion here and thats why I always had something to say about something. I at that time removed every single link I had from my profile cause honestly not a dime came from this forum. People join forums or social sites for a sense of community. I can see I won't be popping in much but when someone informs me of some one gettin pissed on and everyone tryin to convince them its raining I just might show again.

All that said girls should not work with them especially after readin the im convo that she had with that asshole, men should not be buying the DVD and webmasters and promoters should not be using their content. Not just from this movie but from any of their movies. But I have lived long enough to know that there are gonna be enough girls deserate enough for surgeries, men horny enough and promoters money hungry enough to not give a fuck. This is why I limit my interaction with the LBGT community to working with agencies and other organizations.

Your apathy is gonna be the death of you all.

No need to reply to me here unless you just like talkin to my font cause I more than likely wont see it. And if you don't like me there is a line a mile long you can join of people that can kiss my ass. Take a number.

We all have animalistic sexual urges doesnt give you license to be fucking pigs.

This woman is owed an apology and some damn respect. Before you try to try to convince me dumb dont mean what I think it means remember you are talking to a woman who has been hearing that same argument for folks that still use NIGGER NIGGA and the like

[sucka4chix]

As much as I hate to interject this, there are parables in the Bible that speak of deaf and dumb people. Are you telling me that's meant to be offensive? Look, I agree that Olivia's feelings are what matter, but I think that alot of you have feelings vested in the situation and are not being objective. You assume that everyone sees this as offensive and that's just not the case. If you don't know anyone who is deaf and "____" whatever, how would you know it's offensive? I didn't know Oriental was offensive until I heard a comedian say something about it. A comedian!! (and I still don't know WHY its offensive. If you call me occidental I won't get upset). No one is going around telling folk "hey, you know that word you've been using all your life, well as of Tuesday it's offensive". I grew up saying midget, but now that's offensive.
The point is maybe dude is an asshole, and maybe he did it to purposely call her intelligence into play (although I fail to see the motive, except he's the DEVIL), but you guys have just shut your minds to the fact that it DOESN'T HAVE TO BE INTERPRETED THAT WAY. YOU choose to interpret it that way. The line was not OUTRAGEOUS. You just CHOOSE to be OUTRAGED! If you let your ego die down a bit you'd see that!

Oh and of course porn is inherently immoral. That's why companies call themselves Devil's films and use other sinful references. Just because it's legal and it generates tax revenue that doesn't make it moral. And just because you're involved in it doesn't make it moral. Everbody sins and does immoral stuff. The very least you can do is accept it for what it is!

[Danielle Foxx]

Yes, it's good and even honest living from your perspective. But how about, say,
your parents? They know you are a porn star, a bunch of the people around them
know the same fact, that their daughter is a prostitute.. Quite embarasing from their
perspective, isn't it? And while you are living great life as prostitute,
they on the other side have to deal with something very bad that their own daughter
served them, and that is a life long burden, isn't it? And still they must gather enough
courage to continue being supportive and shit like that. Quite egoistic, isn't it?
I know that quite often there are many bad parents around that might be a cause of all that,
but it's not allways the case. In fact, it's quite opposite. Quite often, most parents
really do not deserve that.

What we are talking about here in this very thread is actually somewhat weird situation where a cow is claiming to be
something else than simply a cow - hey, i'm a supercow. Muhuu! Metaphorically speaking,
of course.

We are talking about the fact that you have no idea of my lifestyle and what my parents think. As a matter of fact my family loves me no matter what, unless of corse I harmed someone or did something to cause someone harm intentionally.

All my family cares about is the fact that I am happy and that we love and care for each other.

Many parents of trans women do not accept them, ridicule them and are simply disgusted by the fact their son is now a woman... I consider myself extremely lucky to have such a wonderful family.

I actually did not share with my parents the fact that I was a porn star. My cousin ( a GG ) actually did some research and found my pictures, my mom then said she liked my pictures I did at the pool when I shot for the first ever Transsexual Babysitters - which was a disaster. The director they hired was a fucking crack head - it took 3 days to shoot that scene. Mike Metropolis... So Devils has a reputation of employing losers...

Hey on the good side... I am sure Steve Volponi's mother is extremely happy and proud of her son HUH? As your is for raising someone to be lurking a transsexual website such as these... That's even if you are even out and proud about who you are...

Don't try to tell me that my life sucks and that my parents hate me please because it is far from the truth. It's not everyone's truth and with that example I would like to point out something to you.

There are plenty of ugly nasty people out there but my family and friends are not on that list. Your twisted view of my life is simply a reflection of your own negative views on my work and lifestyle.

I could care less about what mean people think about me - I am cordial, I try and engage everyone with a smile, I hold doors for people, I say please and thank you and I know which fork to eat with at a dinner table. I am not some low life scum who lives a sad and miserable life, one who's family rejects her not only for her work but for just being her.

The focus here is not someone's involvement in the porn industry Mr. Lecter, but an asshole who is involved in the industry - but opinions are like assholes - everyone has one

Fortunately I have grown to be a very honest, kind hearted, realistic, optimistic, at times pessimistic, extroverted, creative, funny, and in some people's opinion quite pretty.

I am extremely proud of all my accomplishments and I thank alot of that to the adult industry. It takes a strong willed survivor to continue to make lemonade out of the rotted fruits life sometimes throws your way.

I believe Olivia is one of those women. I think she should be proud of herself and all her accomplishments and not let Mr. Volponi's or Mr. Lecter's hate club get to her. There will always be those who are jealous of someone's love for life and will to survive.

Sometimes sad people are attracted to things that make them comfortable, usually this means things they find to be "taboo" such as porn or transsexuals. They see it as something wrong or naughty, that society doesn't accept it therefore they are doing something they are not supposed to. It's basic psychology really. Misery loves company.

Some people hate themselves for liking trans women, some are ashamed and others get angry and blame us for their hardships - but hate starts in childhood and fortunately my parents thought me to love.

I respect and care about every one of my clients and people who buy my videos. This has allowed me to became who I am today. Being homeless once and addicted to coke, acid, X... I can tell you that porn actually gave me some direction and help me became the woman I am today.

[Danielle Foxx]

As much as I hate to interject this, there are parables in the Bible that speak of deaf and dumb people. Are you telling me that's meant to be offensive?

The bible is an offensive, oppressive, ridiculous story about some man who claims to have walked on water... If I want to see that today I can drive 3 hrs to Vegas and watch a magic show.

Burn the bible!

[fitz207]

As much as I hate to interject this, there are parables in the Bible that speak of deaf and dumb people. Are you telling me that's meant to be offensive?

The bible is an offensive, oppressive, ridiculous story about some man who claims to have walked on water... If I want to see that today I can drive 3 hrs to Vegas and watch a magic show.

Burn the bible!
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Anubis1079]

As much as I hate to interject this, there are parables in the Bible that speak of deaf and dumb people. Are you telling me that's meant to be offensive?

The bible is an offensive, oppressive, ridiculous story about some man who claims to have walked on water... If I want to see that today I can drive 3 hrs to Vegas and watch a magic show.

Burn the bible!

LOL, I like the way you put that

[sucka4chix]

You miss the whole point. Or better yet you refuse to see it. Whether you see the Bible as offensive or reprehinsible is irrelevant. The point is that it has been read far more times than any of your or Meghan's or Olivia's movies has been seen. AND IN IT THE TERM DUMB IS STILL USED TO REPRESENT SOMEONE WHO CANNOT SPEAK. SO UNLESS YOU'VE BEEN DOING MISSIONARY WORK ON THE WEEKENDS SPREADING YOUR "Dumb is offensive to people can't speak" DOCTRINE , THERE ARE BILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO STILL USE THE WORD THAT WAY. Step outside. There's a whole big world outside your little one.

[Legend]

That guy is really looking for a fight.

[Danielle Foxx]

You miss the whole point. Or better yet you refuse to see it. Whether you see the Bible as offensive or reprehinsible is irrelevant. The point is that it has been read far more times than any of your or Meghan's or Olivia's movies has been seen. AND IN IT THE TERM DUMB IS STILL USED TO REPRESENT SOMEONE WHO CANNOT SPEAK. SO UNLESS YOU'VE BEEN DOING MISSIONARY WORK ON THE WEEKENDS SPREADING YOUR "Dumb is offensive to people can't speak" DOCTRINE , THERE ARE BILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO STILL USE THE WORD THAT WAY. Step outside. There's a whole big world outside your little one.

Why is the Bible relevant to this subject again? Wait let me ask Mary Magdalene about prostitution...

There is a clear line between religion, porn and discrimination. Does this mean you will leave this discussion and go in for dinner? Your wife is calling you... Remember? The wife and kids you swore on a Bible to love and cherish, for honesty, devotion???

"Thou shall not commit adultery. Neither shall you bear false witness against your neighbour. Neither shall you covet your neighbour’s wife. Neither shall you desire your neighbour’s house, or field, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour."

STOP WITH THE RELIGION DISCUSSION - It has no place in this topic unless someone tells me that she lost her hearing because someone smacked her with a Bible upside her head...

[Hannibal Lecter]

Yes, it's good and even honest living from your perspective. But how about, say,
your parents? They know you are a porn star, a bunch of the people around them
know the same fact, that their daughter is a prostitute.. Quite embarasing from their
perspective, isn't it? And while you are living great life as prostitute,
they on the other side have to deal with something very bad that their own daughter
served them, and that is a life long burden, isn't it? And still they must gather enough
courage to continue being supportive and shit like that. Quite egoistic, isn't it?
I know that quite often there are many bad parents around that might be a cause of all that,
but it's not allways the case. In fact, it's quite opposite. Quite often, most parents
really do not deserve that.

What we are talking about here in this very thread is actually somewhat weird situation where a cow is claiming to be
something else than simply a cow - hey, i'm a supercow. Muhuu! Metaphorically speaking,
of course.

We are talking about the fact that you have no idea of my lifestyle and what my parents think. As a matter of fact my family loves me no matter what, unless of corse I harmed someone or did something to cause someone harm intentionally.

All my family cares about is the fact that I am happy and that we love and care for each other.

Many parents of trans women do not accept them, ridicule them and are simply disgusted by the fact their son is now a woman... I consider myself extremely lucky to have such a wonderful family.

I actually did not share with my parents the fact that I was a porn star. My cousin ( a GG ) actually did some research and found my pictures, my mom then said she liked my pictures I did at the pool when I shot for the first ever Transsexual Babysitters - which was a disaster. The director they hired was a fucking crack head - it took 3 days to shoot that scene. Mike Metropolis... So Devils has a reputation of employing losers...

Hey on the good side... I am sure Steve Volponi's mother is extremely happy and proud of her son HUH? As your is for raising someone to be lurking a transsexual website such as these... That's even if you are even out and proud about who you are...

Don't try to tell me that my life sucks and that my parents hate me please because it is far from the truth. It's not everyone's truth and with that example I would like to point out something to you.

There are plenty of ugly nasty people out there but my family and friends are not on that list. Your twisted view of my life is simply a reflection of your own negative views on my work and lifestyle.

I could care less about what mean people think about me - I am cordial, I try and engage everyone with a smile, I hold doors for people, I say please and thank you and I know which fork to eat with at a dinner table. I am not some low life scum who lives a sad and miserable life, one who's family rejects her not only for her work but for just being her.

The focus here is not someone's involvement in the porn industry Mr. Lecter, but an asshole who is involved in the industry - but opinions are like assholes - everyone has one

Fortunately I have grown to be a very honest, kind hearted, realistic, optimistic, at times pessimistic, extroverted, creative, funny, and in some people's opinion quite pretty.

I am extremely proud of all my accomplishments and I thank alot of that to the adult industry. It takes a strong willed survivor to continue to make lemonade out of the rotted fruits life sometimes throws your way.

I believe Olivia is one of those women. I think she should be proud of herself and all her accomplishments and not let Mr. Volponi's or Mr. Lecter's hate club get to her. There will always be those who are jealous of someone's love for life and will to survive.

Sometimes sad people are attracted to things that make them comfortable, usually this means things they find to be "taboo" such as porn or transsexuals. They see it as something wrong or naughty, that society doesn't accept it therefore they are doing something they are not supposed to. It's basic psychology really. Misery loves company.

Some people hate themselves for liking trans women, some are ashamed and others get angry and blame us for their hardships - but hate starts in childhood and fortunately my parents thought me to love.

I respect and care about every one of my clients and people who buy my videos. This has allowed me to became who I am today. Being homeless once and addicted to coke, acid, X... I can tell you that porn actually gave me some direction and help me became the woman I am today.

Of course your parents love you no matter what. That's the part of being parent. But if they are delighted knowing
that her daughter is\was a porn star, then there is definitely something wrong with the entire family. But most
likely they are not. And knowing that they like you no matter what does not give you credits to continue being
prostitute, because SOMETHING tells me that they are not totally comfortable with that thing, and in a way it
simply MUST be a kind of pain in the ass for them. You are extremely lucky, but are they? Maybe they show you that
picture but there must be something rotten in the air.

However, one thing: - your mom finds out that you are a prostitute, a porn star and her reaction
is - "she liked your pictures" ?!? Weird, isn't it? It certainly is, for a supposedly decent mom.

I never tried to tell you that your life sucks and that your parents hate you, read my sentencies again.
I simply tried to point out the golden rule that the audience here is somehow going appart from -
a prostitute is a prostitute, 2 + 2 = 4, not 5.

But you are right in one thing - my negative view on your work and lifestyle. For a girl of your capacity,
your beautiness and amazing intelligence, to me it just seems as waste of a talented human being. You are
one example, but there are many other - Vicki is another example. A wonderfull, intelligent, graduated, educated
pretty next door girl but then... It sucks. Suuux.

Me lurking here. Yes. What's wrong in me lurking here compared to you doing the same thing? I have to admit
that you girls are extremely interesting from many perspectives, i am highly curious about you, your opinions,
following up your transitions etc. That's amazing thing. Totally worth following up. I'm not really into
TS porn, i do not like seeing cocks jumping around on a fucked individual, straight porn is my thing, but
from social perspective - you are a kind of a bestseller.

[Danielle Foxx]

... but
from social perspective - you are a kind of a bestseller.

Funny how people like you think you live productive lives huh? When honestly speaking, those who think they are normal are the ones who should be locked up - your words are engaged in hate and nonacceptance, and your delusions of understanding clearly state how shallow and narrow minded you are... Yes it is quite interesting isn't it?

You are just such an example! Trying to put someone down with reverse psychology makes you the perfect example for a Nobel Prize.

We all love and respect what you have to say.... NOTTTTTTTTT!

Please do not address me with you ridiculous blabbering. You are digging your own grave there Mr. Sister! No matter how smart you may think you are... you will NEVER get what you want ! I can see right through your sadness and pain. I can see your desperation for putting others down, the bad Karma that follows you. The bad luck and hardships you don't seem to account for, your insecurities and your empty heart... It is visible to everyone but yourself.

This is what happens when you take on someone who's a bit beyond your level of awareness.

[Bob's Tgirls]

Whatever , but the same old stuff gets boring real quick. Same dude shows up , fucks girl , blows his load on her then fade out , then repeat. At least do something different ... spoof a movie or tv show.

That's why I'm looking forward to the forthcoming Hazel Does Hollywood. It's supposedly a throwback to the older type of porn movies that came out of the 70's.
Exactly , I mean cheezy lines and setups. Give you full entertainment story/sex, & Hazels hot.

Right on! One thing I'm sick of seeing is that bald dude crushing all that TS ass. Not that I'm into watchin' dudes, but c'mon.

nice avatar btw.

Which bald dude? There's a lot of them in porn. :lol: I've shot with 3 of them in my videos.

[jaycanuck]

Not on topic...but i just have to say that that's a beautiful photo of you Danielle.

[Hannibal Lecter]

... but
from social perspective - you are a kind of a bestseller.

Funny how people like you think you live productive lives huh? When honestly speaking, those who think they are normal are the ones who should be locked up - your words are engaged in hate and nonacceptance, and your delusions of understanding clearly state how shallow and narrow minded you are... Yes it is quite interesting isn't it?

You are just such an example! Trying to put someone down with reverse psychology makes you the perfect example for a Nobel Prize.

We all love and respect what you have to say.... NOTTTTTTTTT!

Please do not address me with you ridiculous blabbering. You are digging your own grave there Mr. Sister! No matter how smart you may think you are... you will NEVER get what you want ! I can see right through your sadness and pain. I can see your desperation for putting others down, the bad Karma that follows you. The bad luck and hardships you don't seem to account for, your insecurities and your empty heart... It is visible to everyone but yourself.

This is what happens when you take on someone who's a bit beyond your level of awareness.

My heart is empty but i'm not insecure. Talk to Vicki, and you will learn something more about me. Talk to Vicki anyway. I do not hate you, sorry if i made you upset. I do not hate you.

[Danielle Foxx]

My heart is empty but i'm not insecure. Talk to Vicki, and you will learn something more about me. Talk to Vicki anyway. I do not hate you, sorry if i made you upset. I do not hate you.


I am done with Drama - moving on...



Not on topic...but i just have to say that that's a beautiful photo of you Danielle.

Thank you Daddy, always nice to hear from you

[Bob's Tgirls]

As much as I hate to interject this, there are parables in the Bible that speak of deaf and dumb people. Are you telling me that's meant to be offensive? Look, I agree that Olivia's feelings are what matter, but I think that alot of you have feelings vested in the situation and are not being objective. You assume that everyone sees this as offensive and that's just not the case. If you don't know anyone who is deaf and "____" whatever, how would you know it's offensive? I didn't know Oriental was offensive until I heard a comedian say something about it. A comedian!! (and I still don't know WHY its offensive. If you call me occidental I won't get upset). No one is going around telling folk "hey, you know that word you've been using all your life, well as of Tuesday it's offensive". I grew up saying midget, but now that's offensive.
The point is maybe dude is an asshole, and maybe he did it to purposely call her intelligence into play (although I fail to see the motive, except he's the DEVIL), but you guys have just shut your minds to the fact that it DOESN'T HAVE TO BE INTERPRETED THAT WAY. YOU choose to interpret it that way. The line was not OUTRAGEOUS. You just CHOOSE to be OUTRAGED! If you let your ego die down a bit you'd see that!

Oh and of course porn is inherently immoral. That's why companies call themselves Devil's films and use other sinful references. Just because it's legal and it generates tax revenue that doesn't make it moral. And just because you're involved in it doesn't make it moral. Everbody sins and does immoral stuff. The very least you can do is accept it for what it is!

I think you and a few others are not getting Meghan's and Olivia's point. Or maybe I'm not. Here's how I see the situation. The main problem is not so much with the original wording as to how the situation was handled. This thread has been going on for a few days now and Steve V. is aware of it.

Earlier in this thread someone else posted that the situation has been corrected. I also received an IM to that effect from another source. Yet just a few minutes ago, I went back to Devil's site (via the link Olivia provided in her last post) and the same text is there. I'm not just talking about the box cover graphic, but the text on the page. Changing that text requires a minute of effort.

The original wording was insensitive at worst and poor judgment at best. His refusal to change it even after saying it was puzzles me. Then I saw some of the things that Steve wrote such as the terrorist threat nonsense and involving his lawyer and I'm thinking wtf. I'm also asking myself why is he making the situation so much worse than it has to be.

I don't know Olivia or Steve well enough to take sides. But my objective opinion is that Steve could have fixed the situation easily but for some reason chose not to.

[Danielle Foxx]

As much as I hate to interject this, there are parables in the Bible that speak of deaf and dumb people. Are you telling me that's meant to be offensive? Look, I agree that Olivia's feelings are what matter, but I think that alot of you have feelings vested in the situation and are not being objective. You assume that everyone sees this as offensive and that's just not the case. If you don't know anyone who is deaf and "____" whatever, how would you know it's offensive? I didn't know Oriental was offensive until I heard a comedian say something about it. A comedian!! (and I still don't know WHY its offensive. If you call me occidental I won't get upset). No one is going around telling folk "hey, you know that word you've been using all your life, well as of Tuesday it's offensive". I grew up saying midget, but now that's offensive.
The point is maybe dude is an asshole, and maybe he did it to purposely call her intelligence into play (although I fail to see the motive, except he's the DEVIL), but you guys have just shut your minds to the fact that it DOESN'T HAVE TO BE INTERPRETED THAT WAY. YOU choose to interpret it that way. The line was not OUTRAGEOUS. You just CHOOSE to be OUTRAGED! If you let your ego die down a bit you'd see that!

Oh and of course porn is inherently immoral. That's why companies call themselves Devil's films and use other sinful references. Just because it's legal and it generates tax revenue that doesn't make it moral. And just because you're involved in it doesn't make it moral. Everbody sins and does immoral stuff. The very least you can do is accept it for what it is!

I think you and a few others are not getting Meghan's and Olivia's point. Or maybe I'm not. Here's how I see the situation. The main problem is not so much with the original wording as to how the situation was handled. This thread has been going on for a few days now and Steve V. is aware of it.

Earlier in this thread someone else posted that the situation has been corrected. I also received an IM to that effect from another source. Yet just a few minutes ago, I went back to Devil's site (via the link Olivia provided in her last post) and the same text is there. I'm not just talking about the box cover graphic, but the text on the page. Changing that text requires a minute of effort.

The original wording was insensitive at worst and poor judgment at best. His refusal to change it even after saying it was puzzles me. Then I saw some of the things that Steve wrote such as the terrorist threat nonsense and involving his lawyer and I'm thinking wtf. I'm also asking myself why is he making the situation so much worse than it has to be.

I don't know Olivia or Steve well enough to take sides. But my objective opinion is that Steve could have fixed the situation easily but for some reason chose not to.

Whats not to get? The guy is an asshole

[sucka4chix]

You miss the whole point. Or better yet you refuse to see it. Whether you see the Bible as offensive or reprehinsible is irrelevant. The point is that it has been read far more times than any of your or Meghan's or Olivia's movies has been seen. AND IN IT THE TERM DUMB IS STILL USED TO REPRESENT SOMEONE WHO CANNOT SPEAK. SO UNLESS YOU'VE BEEN DOING MISSIONARY WORK ON THE WEEKENDS SPREADING YOUR "Dumb is offensive to people can't speak" DOCTRINE , THERE ARE BILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO STILL USE THE WORD THAT WAY. Step outside. There's a whole big world outside your little one.

Why is the Bible relevant to this subject again? Wait let me ask Mary Magdalene about prostitution...

There is a clear line between religion, porn and discrimination. Does this mean you will leave this discussion and go in for dinner? Your wife is calling you... Remember? The wife and kids you swore on a Bible to love and cherish, for honesty, devotion???

"Thou shall not commit adultery. Neither shall you bear false witness against your neighbour. Neither shall you covet your neighbour’s wife. Neither shall you desire your neighbour’s house, or field, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour."

STOP WITH THE RELIGION DISCUSSION - It has no place in this topic unless someone tells me that she lost her hearing because someone smacked her with a Bible upside her head...
You know you have SERIOUS perception issues. Please highlight the part where I EVER mentioned religion. YOU are the one who went on the anti-religion tirade! I never mentioned it. The mere mention of the Bible made you react like a demon that had holy water poured on it, or a werewolf that touched some silver. I stayed on topic, simply pointing out the fact that the word "dumb" is still being proliferated as acceptable in peoples lives, if not yours.
For a person who claims to be so wonderful and kind, you sure come across as very hateful and closed minded to anyone who does not agree with you! The more you talk the more hypocritical and foolish you appear. Your so-called kindness is so conditional, and as such isn't kindness at all.

[rockabilly]

Hey Ms. Danielle nice to meet yot. That pic w/ your Mom is nice, it must be a joy to have acceptance from your family. :)

[Danielle Foxx]

You miss the whole point. Or better yet you refuse to see it. Whether you see the Bible as offensive or reprehinsible is irrelevant. The point is that it has been read far more times than any of your or Meghan's or Olivia's movies has been seen. AND IN IT THE TERM DUMB IS STILL USED TO REPRESENT SOMEONE WHO CANNOT SPEAK. SO UNLESS YOU'VE BEEN DOING MISSIONARY WORK ON THE WEEKENDS SPREADING YOUR "Dumb is offensive to people can't speak" DOCTRINE , THERE ARE BILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO STILL USE THE WORD THAT WAY. Step outside. There's a whole big world outside your little one.

Why is the Bible relevant to this subject again? Wait let me ask Mary Magdalene about prostitution...

There is a clear line between religion, porn and discrimination. Does this mean you will leave this discussion and go in for dinner? Your wife is calling you... Remember? The wife and kids you swore on a Bible to love and cherish, for honesty, devotion???

"Thou shall not commit adultery. Neither shall you bear false witness against your neighbour. Neither shall you covet your neighbour’s wife. Neither shall you desire your neighbour’s house, or field, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour."

STOP WITH THE RELIGION DISCUSSION - It has no place in this topic unless someone tells me that she lost her hearing because someone smacked her with a Bible upside her head...
You know you have SERIOUS perception issues. Please highlight the part where I EVER mentioned religion. YOU are the one who went on the anti-religion tirade! I never mentioned it. The mere mention of the Bible made you react like a demon that had holy water poured on it, or a werewolf that touched some silver. I stayed on topic, simply pointing out the fact that the word "dumb" is still being proliferated as acceptable in peoples lives, if not yours.
For a person who claims to be so wonderful and kind, you sure come across as very hateful and closed minded to anyone who does not agree with you! The more you talk the more hypocritical and foolish you appear. Your so-called kindness is so conditional, and as such isn't kindness at all.


Bitch shut your trap! You're worst then a fucking woman!

What you read isn't a bad attitude - it is simply someone who does not tolerate bullshit. And I do not mind people having different views then me, however... I do require those views to have some sort of logical basis - and in this case the majority of people who voiced their opinions have sided with the Dumb Deaf girl... What's the point that I missed when you were farting out your mouth about some Jesus shit?

Go sit on the corner till you learn how to play with the grown ups!

[Buddy Wood]

Ohhh the bible uses that term?? Well if that recently written book uses it then it must be ok...right? Times and people are pretty much the same since that was written.

And if you don't see it as offensive...than you're right...neither should the deaf person who spent her entire life overcoming obstacles. Cuz it's more about your opinion than hers. Makes sense. Because you know exactly what it's like to be her and to be deaf.

Some of you people will argue anything. It's pretty fucking simple really. Doesn't matter if it was on the back of a porn box or cereal box. It really offended her and should be changed and could be changed.

The bible?? Are you serious dude? I thought there were some pretty bad arguments on here but that one takes the cake. What does the bible say about jacking off to tranny porn?? Probably nothing so that must be okay.

[rockabilly]

Hey Buddy i'll be sure to ask my priest about what God thinks of Tranny Porn during my next confession. LOL

[GroobySteven]

Hey Buddy i'll be sure to ask my priest about what God thinks of Tranny Porn during my next confession. LOL

As he is a man already wearing a dress, what would you expect?

[rockabilly]

ROTFL Stop it your killin me :)

[Felicia Katt]

You miss the whole point. Or better yet you refuse to see it. Whether you see the Bible as offensive or reprehinsible is irrelevant. The point is that it has been read far more times than any of your or Meghan's or Olivia's movies has been seen. AND IN IT THE TERM DUMB IS STILL USED TO REPRESENT SOMEONE WHO CANNOT SPEAK. SO UNLESS YOU'VE BEEN DOING MISSIONARY WORK ON THE WEEKENDS SPREADING YOUR "Dumb is offensive to people can't speak" DOCTRINE , THERE ARE BILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO STILL USE THE WORD THAT WAY. Step outside. There's a whole big world outside your little one.
Leviticus 20
13 " 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads

You sure the Bible is the best reference here? Especially since it also says the following deserve death too:

cursing your mother or father
adultery
sleeping with your father's wife
sleeping with your daughter in law
bestiality (the animal gets put to death too)

Or that it permits polygamyand slavery but prohibit sexual intercourse when a woman has her period.

The Bible also ban tattoos, prohibits eating rare meat as well as pigs, rabbits, and some forms of seafood.

It prohibits getting drunk.

oh, and working on Sunday too.

If you can put your hand on a Bible and swear that all those things are cool with, or not applicable to you, then feel free to refer to it here.

FK

[Tepres]

I watch deaf porn sometimes.

http://postarchives.entensity.net/092908/flash.php?media=deaf.flv

[sucka4chix]

You people are amazing. You want people to be tolerant but you're not tolerant if anyone else. I'm not the one being disrespectful, Miss I'm a good person is!
READ MY POST. THEN GET A DICTIONARY AND LEARN WHAT WORDS MEAN! Maybe that's the problem. You don't possess a good command of the English language. But you curse really well. Bible means book and that's all it is-- a book. Reading it doesn't mean you're anything but a reader. I didn't quote anything or bring up anything that the Bible says about wrong or right.
And Buddy Wood, it's not a bad argument if you'd read the posts. I never disagreed with any of that shit you're talking about. It's all there in black and white, yet no one has pointed out the parts of my posts that all of your silly assed responses apply to, because there aren't any! The fact that the Bible was written years ago is a moot point--- it's still read today. Whether what's in the Bible is good or bad truth or fiction doesn't matter and I never brought it up. If the word dumb was used in such a manner in another widely read book I would have used that. I could've said the farmer's almanac and it would have been a non-issue. But Bible is your kryptonite which is why I said "I really don't want to interject this" -because I knew it would precipitate attack of the heathens. The point is and always has been that the word doesn't only mean stupid and it is still used that way. If you still fail to see the point then by all means don't quit porn because you're not bright enough to do anything else. And don't get mad at that because it's only an insult if you don't get it!
Now you can huff and puff and quote scripture all you want, but my point has nothing to do with that. You good kind people just love to fight and denigrate people who are not in your circle. Good luck with your karma!

[Felicia Katt]

You were the one who tried to assert that because something was okay in the Bible then, it must still be now.

But as you were shown, a lot of what the Bible endorses is no longer the case, and a lot of what it proscribed is now commonly done

Times change and so does what is or is not acceptable behavior or language.

I'd suggest you go have some surf and turf, medium rare and more than a few stiff drinks to make you feel better LOL

FK

[Danielle Foxx]

You people are amazing. You want people to be tolerant but you're not tolerant if anyone else. I'm not the one being disrespectful, Miss I'm a good person is!
READ MY POST. THEN GET A DICTIONARY AND LEARN WHAT WORDS MEAN! Maybe that's the problem. You don't possess a good command of the English language. But you curse really well. Bible means book and that's all it is-- a book. Reading it doesn't mean you're anything but a reader. I didn't quote anything or bring up anything that the Bible says about wrong or right.
And Buddy Wood, it's not a bad argument if you'd read the posts. I never disagreed with any of that shit you're talking about. It's all there in black and white, yet no one has pointed out the parts of my posts that all of your silly assed responses apply to, because there aren't any! The fact that the Bible was written years ago is a moot point--- it's still read today. Whether what's in the Bible is good or bad truth or fiction doesn't matter and I never brought it up. If the word dumb was used in such a manner in another widely read book I would have used that. I could've said the farmer's almanac and it would have been a non-issue. But Bible is your kryptonite which is why I said "I really don't want to interject this" -because I knew it would precipitate attack of the heathens. The point is and always has been that the word doesn't only mean stupid and it is still used that way. If you still fail to see the point then by all means don't quit porn because you're not bright enough to do anything else. And don't get mad at that because it's only an insult if you don't get it!
Now you can huff and puff and quote scripture all you want, but my point has nothing to do with that. You good kind people just love to fight and denigrate people who are not in your circle. Good luck with your karma!


I didn't even pass the 1st line on your ridiculous post...

Now you attacked my heritage, the fact I am mixed race and for not having English as a first language. But I think even a girl who doesn't speak good English can let an old queen such as yourself HAVE IT!

3 snaps around the world !

[Legend]

How the hell did this turn into a discussion about the damn bible anyway, this board defintely has some whacko's.This thread went from talking about someone getting disrespected to the f**king bible.

[sucka4chix]

You were the one who tried to assert that because something was okay in the Bible then, it must still be now.

But as you were shown, a lot of what the Bible endorses is no longer the case, and a lot of what it proscribed is now commonly done

Times change and so does what is or is not acceptable behavior or language.

I'd suggest you go have some surf and turf, medium rare and more than a few stiff drinks to make you feel better LOL

FK
Afraid not Felicia! I never asserted that. Read my posts. I merely pointed out that a book that many people still read refers to people as deaf and dumb and therefore there are still many people who don't know it is offensive. That's my only assertion. I never brought up the question of being right or wrong and I never brought up some Jesus shit as potty mouth so eloquently put it. The subject matter of the book is irrelevant. Only the fact that many people have been exposed to that type of wording RECENTLY is significant.

[2009AD]

You people are amazing. You want people to be tolerant but you're not tolerant if anyone else. I'm not the one being disrespectful, Miss I'm a good person is!
READ MY POST. THEN GET A DICTIONARY AND LEARN WHAT WORDS MEAN!

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dumb
1 a: lacking the human power of speech <dumb animals> bof a person often offensive : lacking the ability to speak


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dumb
2) lacking the power of speech (often offensive when applied to humans): a dumb animal.

http://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/dumb_1

3 old-fashioned someone who is dumb is not able to speak at all. Many people think that this use is offensive [↪ mute] ➔ deaf and dumb at deaf (1)

[Felicia Katt]

Sucka, and I pointed out that most people have no idea what the Bible says. One reference to Christ healing a deaf person doesn't change that the term is offensive. The Bible also refers to him healing the lame. Do you think that means thats an OK way to refer to physically disabled people? Of course not.

Anyone using those terms today does so out of ignorance, not reverence

FK

[2009AD]

I merely pointed out that a book that many people still read refers to people as deaf and dumb and therefore there are still many people who don't know it is offensive. That's my only assertion. I never brought up the question of being right or wrong and I never brought up some Jesus shit as potty mouth so eloquently put it. The subject matter of the book is irrelevant. Only the fact that many people have been exposed to that type of wording RECENTLY is significant.

Sucka, you gotta give it up man. The top three best selling versions of the Bible are:

The King James Version The word 'deaf' is used 15 times. The word 'dumb' 27 times.

Mark 9:25 (King James Version) When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him.


The New International Version: The word 'deaf' is used 19 times. The word 'dumb' does not appear.

The New King James Version: The term "Deaf and dumb" appears only once.

Mark 9:25 (New King James Version) When Jesus saw that the people came running together, He rebuked the unclean spirit, saying to it, “Deaf and dumb spirit, I command you, come out of him and enter him no more!


Yea, if people use the term 'deaf and dumb' it's pretty clear that they did not pick it up from the Bible.

[WendyWilliams]

http://www.devilsdistribution.com/catalog.php?cmd=detail&dvd_id=1707

So the boxcover and text are still listed on the Distribution website therefore I take it that everyone will have to wait for the dvd to come out and see if it was really removed.

Honestly its like this either you dont approve of it and you can contact Devils at http://www.devilsdistribution.com/contact.php and explain why it is offensive to you and what you will or wont do.

OR

You can take him for his word that he didnt know it was offensive and will change it!

I am a huge fan of Olivia and as a ICON and Pioneer of our genre I think any company whether they agree or disagree with her stance should make sure that they give her the respect that she deserves.

I am sure that the powers that be arent reading this board so arguing here isnt going to change anything. If you STRONGLY feel this was out of place than dont buy the dvd or support the company. If you feel this was an honest mistake gone bad than do what makes you happy.

I for one am glad we can have this dialogue and not automatically assume because its "porn" that anything can or will happen.

[NYBURBS]

lol the terrorist threat part was comical. He's bluffing with that, and hoping that it scares you off. Generally with charges like that you have to show intention to communicate an actual threat, and that the other person reasonably believed that it would be imminently carried out.

I'm not sure where you would stand with a civil case over right of publicity, or libel, but it's worth a shot if he does move forward with it. A lawyer might be able to get an injunction on releasing the cover until it could be properly litigated before a court.

[sucka4chix]

I merely pointed out that a book that many people still read refers to people as deaf and dumb and therefore there are still many people who don't know it is offensive. That's my only assertion. I never brought up the question of being right or wrong and I never brought up some Jesus shit as potty mouth so eloquently put it. The subject matter of the book is irrelevant. Only the fact that many people have been exposed to that type of wording RECENTLY is significant.

Sucka, you gotta give it up man. The top three best selling versions of the Bible are:

The King James Version The word 'deaf' is used 15 times. The word 'dumb' 27 times.

Mark 9:25 (King James Version) When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him.


The New International Version: The word 'deaf' is used 19 times. The word 'dumb' does not appear.

The New King James Version: The term "Deaf and dumb" appears only once.

Mark 9:25 (New King James Version) When Jesus saw that the people came running together, He rebuked the unclean spirit, saying to it, “Deaf and dumb spirit, I command you, come out of him and enter him no more!


Yea, if people use the term 'deaf and dumb' it's pretty clear that they did not pick it up from the Bible.
It only has to appear once for someone to think it's ok to use. I don't have a problem throwing in the towel. I have a problem being called an asshole and a bitch for something I never said. I never mentioned religion or Jesus. The Bible should have been a very small part of the equation, but somehow it was the only word anybody read!

[SemperFiGuy]

Oh my God it hurt to read that, what a gorgeous girl, and they just degraded her. She definately has so much beauty to offer. Just think of how many challenges she has to overcome, and they just put her down.

I TOO am no big fan of political correctness, and this made me cringe.

[jesseflo]

i have one of the first copies of the dvd and it was removed. :D

[tstv_lover]

i have one of the first copies of the dvd and it was removed. :D

Common sense prevails!

[Olivia Love]

To my fans and friends thank u for all these overwhelming support in this matter I truly appreciate it I have nothing against devilsfilm industry itself it was just one of its producers. if u girls wanna still work for devilsfilm I strongly reccomend to work with Tom Moore he's really a cool guy. He respected me and treated me well. If anyone of u get prejudiced u have my full support and respect.
Thank you very much . I love you all !!!!! Mwahssssss

[cookiepuss]

To my fans and friends thank u for all these overwhelming support in this matter I truly appreciate it I have nothing against devilsfilm industry itself it was just one of its producers. if u girls wanna still work for devilsfilm I strongly reccomend to work with Tom Moore he's really a cool guy. He respected me and treated me well. If anyone of u get prejudiced u have my full support and respect.
Thank you very much . I love you all !!!!! Mwahssssss

Hope you make it to Florida soon. You're an awesome chick :D

[Aragon21]

This is just ridiculous...

1st Olivia. Dumb has always meant unable or unwilling to speak. Still is the top 2 definitions in Websters, my 1956 edition states that stupid is a US colloquial use, and only recently because of that use has been come to be taken offensively.

2nd The Boxcover. Welcome to the age of editing. MSNBC, the Daily Show did it to make Bush look more stupid. FoxNews does it to make Obama look stupid. READ the damn print! The original post editted the cover by omission, it follows in the same same sentence "...and only knows one way to ask sucking and fucking the camera guy." No offense Olivia, that can be part of the fantasy about a deaf girl, she has no way to communicate her desires so she uses her body. He pointed out your condition and your slutty vampish ways to overcome it...FANTASY. Not reality. (Reality would be giving you a pen and paper if I really didn't know why a beautiful girl would show up for the next Top Model and she couldn't speak...the whole plot point lacks credibility)

3rd The Production Line. So it cost pennys to redo the insert. All of you arguing this point do not know at what stage those inserts are. If the are inserted, cellophaned, and boxed for shipping/storage then the cost is considerably more than pennys.

4th Ageism. Too often the young these days "OMG" that older people have no idea what their IM abbrev. mean. How can adults and people over 40 be so stupid when it is so obvious to them what "cheddar and benjamins" are. Well welcome to your own ignorance for not knowing what was commonly known only 40 years ago. The language of my own youth may or may not return to its original meaning where "wicked, bad, awesome" doesn't mean exceptionally good or cool and returns to meaning "evil, not good, causing terror". Words are indeed mightier than the sword because too often people look for the worst in them.

I completely agree that it was a terrible, horrible choice of words. I personally view the use of capitalization on those two words was use to emphasize the condition meaning not the intellectual meaning (think about it, if deaf were capitalized and dumb wasn't, it would read in meaning differently)

I agree that "deaf and unable to speak her desires" would have been a better choice. Afterall, the next line only has the word "ask" in it and could have taken a few of those words if length was a consideration.

I would assume any lawsuit based on the language used on the cover would fail horribly as the word "dumb" is the correct term for a person unable to speak.
I would assume any lawsuit on the language used in any IM Olivia sent would fail too as it is clear by the context of the "or else" that no physical threat of harm was intended.

Again poor choice of words. Fully agree that Olivia has a right to expect that anything not already package would be reprinted. Would recommend that anyone with the "star power" to diva it up and get final edit rights or whetever one would call it. I also fully understand how Olivia would expect that the vast majority may misinterpret the use of that word and how she could be sensitive about it due to the overwhelming use of the word to mean inferior intellect.

[yosi]

This is just ridiculous...

1st Olivia. Dumb has always meant unable or unwilling to speak. Still is the top 2 definitions in Websters, my 1956 edition states that stupid is a US colloquial use, and only recently because of that use has been come to be taken offensively.

2nd The Boxcover. Welcome to the age of editing. MSNBC, the Daily Show did it to make Bush look more stupid. FoxNews does it to make Obama look stupid. READ the damn print! The original post editted the cover by omission, it follows in the same same sentence "...and only knows one way to ask sucking and fucking the camera guy." No offense Olivia, that can be part of the fantasy about a deaf girl, she has no way to communicate her desires so she uses her body. He pointed out your condition and your slutty vampish ways to overcome it...FANTASY. Not reality. (Reality would be giving you a pen and paper if I really didn't know why a beautiful girl would show up for the next Top Model and she couldn't speak...the whole plot point lacks credibility)

3rd The Production Line. So it cost pennys to redo the insert. All of you arguing this point do not know at what stage those inserts are. If the are inserted, cellophaned, and boxed for shipping/storage then the cost is considerably more than pennys.

4th Ageism. Too often the young these days "OMG" that older people have no idea what their IM abbrev. mean. How can adults and people over 40 be so stupid when it is so obvious to them what "cheddar and benjamins" are. Well welcome to your own ignorance for not knowing what was commonly known only 40 years ago. The language of my own youth may or may not return to its original meaning where "wicked, bad, awesome" doesn't mean exceptionally good or cool and returns to meaning "evil, not good, causing terror". Words are indeed mightier than the sword because too often people look for the worst in them.

I completely agree that it was a terrible, horrible choice of words. I personally view the use of capitalization on those two words was use to emphasize the condition meaning not the intellectual meaning (think about it, if deaf were capitalized and dumb wasn't, it would read in meaning differently)

I agree that "deaf and unable to speak her desires" would have been a better choice. Afterall, the next line only has the word "ask" in it and could have taken a few of those words if length was a consideration.

I would assume any lawsuit based on the language used on the cover would fail horribly as the word "dumb" is the correct term for a person unable to speak.
I would assume any lawsuit on the language used in any IM Olivia sent would fail too as it is clear by the context of the "or else" that no physical threat of harm was intended.

Again poor choice of words. Fully agree that Olivia has a right to expect that anything not already package would be reprinted. Would recommend that anyone with the "star power" to diva it up and get final edit rights or whetever one would call it. I also fully understand how Olivia would expect that the vast majority may misinterpret the use of that word and how she could be sensitive about it due to the overwhelming use of the word to mean inferior intellect.

it's not going to be a lecture vs. lecture.

I will just quote your 3 last words : "mean inferior intellect".
look how some of them , even in this forum , jump on other poeple's throats , especialy the shemales in this board , go around and see it for yourself, and see why it's so important for Olivia Love

before anything else , we are HUMANS

[hollysweet]

im very glad it has all been worked out for every one not just for devils, but for olivia as well it was a terrible choice of words ... i shot for devils my self yesterday with tom and he was just not happy with any of it and at once he was telling me had already spoken to the owner of devils and she was not happy and had already gotten with steve to change it. I guessss it just hasent been change on the site but he did ask me to please come on here to let olivia know all was fixed and done and he him self was very sorry to read what was written about her and well its all said and done lets hope it never happens again to anyone else . I feel there is just no reason to ever make some the brunt of a joke when its something that person can not help nor control weather is really was a choice of bad words or a cheep ploy for shock value or bad strategy .... so again im very very happy its all been cleared up .....
xoxox

FYI Olivia we all love ya girl muahh

[Olivia Love]

Yeah I'm glad Tom expressed that and Thank mu Holly Sweet for ur effort to understand from both sides as it should be listened to instead of just one side and I love ya and many thanks to u and Tom too basicially its all about education of others culture. I am sure it would not happen again I am more than happy to work with or for Tom Moore again (hehe). He has experiences working with deaf people such as me and savannah jane who is a female porn star friend I knew from High School. That's why he has my respect. Life is all about learning I love you alllllllll ! Thanks again for the understanding and support.

[hollysweet]

Your more then welcome gorgeous i promised him id post for you to help put your nerves to rest some we all do love you mammas and are there for you im just again glad its been delt with . and tom was such a sweet heart to work with deff one of my favorite directors to shoot for .. well im going back to bed as i had such a long day shooting and then flying back to home to texas so im still tired lol have a great nite and again olivia love you much gorgeous take care
xxox

[Ryz]

thread summery please

[meghanchavalier]

Olivia we all love you and that's very obvious. As long as you are satisfied with the outcome, that's all that matters. No matter what, we support your final decision and if that decision means continuing to work with Devils Films then everyone should definitely keep buying their films and the girls should continue to work for them. One rotten apple doesn't always mean the whole bunch is bad :wink:

Love ya chick!

[bob69]

I'm glad they removed it. I can't believe it was written in the 1st place. Not only was it offensive, but it was also the crudest and most poorly thought of promotional phrase ever. The front picture does look great. I think the amount of responses should give you an idea of how liked and respected Olivia is by her fans, the other girls and even other producers. You were absolutely right to raise the issue and I hope no one is so inconsiderate as to write something like that again. Hope you feel better girl :)

[MacShreach]

Jings how did I miss all this?






Bitch shut your trap! You're worst then a fucking woman!

What you read isn't a bad attitude - it is simply someone who does not tolerate bullshit. And I do not mind people having different views then me, however... I do require those views to have some sort of logical basis - and in this case the majority of people who voiced their opinions have sided with the Dumb Deaf girl... What's the point that I missed when you were farting out your mouth about some Jesus shit?

Go sit on the corner till you learn how to play with the grown ups!

You, Miss Foxx, are wonderful.


If you still fail to see the point then by all means don't quit porn because you're not bright enough to do anything else.

And you, pest, are an arse. Sorry, you are still an arse.

FWIW The word "dumb," whether used to signify a lack of intelligence OR an impairment of speech, is offensive when applied to humans:

Dictionary.com: lacking the power of speech (often offensive when applied to humans): a dumb animal.

This has been the case as long as I can remember; the word "mute" was often used as a less controversial substitute, but many speech-impaired people regard this as offensive too.

I understand the need for punchy marketing copy, but this was just crass. I'm glad for Olivia that it was sorted, and credit to Meghan for making it public.

[TommyFoxtrot]

As much as I hate to interject this, there are parables in the Bible that speak of deaf and dumb people. Are you telling me that's meant to be offensive?

The bible is an offensive, oppressive, ridiculous story about some man who claims to have walked on water... If I want to see that today I can drive 3 hrs to Vegas and watch a magic show.

Burn the bible!

Why stop there? The Old Testament is where 99.9% of the really fucked up stuff happens. Then we have the Koran and it's medieval Tony Soprano writer.

In terms of awfulness the Old Testament wins by a country mile followed by the Koran and lastly the New Testament. What's with folks only feeling the need to bash Christianity?

Some folks think they are rebels, but they're really just conformists.

[sucka4chix]

thread summery please
Someone complained that their friend is upset because their "pancakes" were called "hotcakes". "Everbody knows the word hotcakes is offensive and there is no definition of hotcakes that is not demeaning" they said.
Someone points out that Mcdonalds menu says hotcakes. They get cursed out and called a bitch and asshole for 15 pages because Mcdonalds "sells fucking nasty assed big macs that are made from dead cows and mcnuggets that are not real chicken. "Fuck Mcdonalds. Burn Mcdonalds menus". "Unless you eat everything at Mcdonalds everyday, you can't bring up Mcdonalds" they said.
He said "WTF?".
The word hotcakes was removed anyway.
The end.

[sucka4chix]

thread summery please
Someone complained that their friend is upset because their "pancakes" were called "hotcakes". "Everbody knows the word hotcakes is offensive and there is no definition of hotcakes that is not demeaning" they said.
Someone points out that Mcdonalds menu says hotcakes. They get cursed out and called a bitch and asshole for 15 pages because Mcdonalds "sells fucking nasty assed big macs that are made from dead cows and mcnuggets that are not real chicken. "Fuck Mcdonalds. Burn Mcdonalds menus". "Unless you eat everything at Mcdonalds everyday, you can't bring up Mcdonalds" they said.
He said "WTF?".
The word hotcakes was removed anyway.
The end.

[Legend]

Wow some people really love attention.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I just want to say I love Olivia, one of the nicest girls I met in the business, and she communicates well even in loud clubs. I have no prob communicating with Miss O and she looks great and still giving the boys the O FACE :)

Love you Olivia keep up the great work

[MacShreach]

In terms of awfulness the Old Testament wins by a country mile followed by the Koran and lastly the New Testament. What's with folks only feeling the need to bash Christianity?


It kinda depends which version of Christianity you're talking about. Some are definitely no better than the other two you mentioned. I think that's as far as I'm going here, there is a P&R forum.

[Olivia Love]

Awww Kelly ure one of the awesome gals I've ever met too ure also a bright gal! Keep up with great work! Mwahs lots of love to u from me!

[eclipsemint]

Awww Kelly ure one of the awesome gals I've ever met too ure also a bright gal! Keep up with great work! Mwahs lots of love to u from me!

Ahhh, the famous and infamous Olivia Love has posted, and harken! Her words are true...

Kelly Shore, You are awesome!!!

...and beautiful...(my own words added...)...but, devil!?, aren't you evil or something? Anyway, love you guys. You're great!!

[Olivia Love]

:D thank u Allanah Starr!
We go way back to our fla days . Total class and u responded with intelligence as supposed! Anytime u need support in this lame and imperfect world . I'm totally here 4 ya as well! I am glad I am able to express my gratitude 4 you. I am proud to acknowlege myself to u ! Lots of love 4 u from me