Curious question....Do you swallow? Are there health risks?

[ARMANIXXX]

What types of health risks are involved with swallowing semen?

If you don't mind me asking, how many of you swallow. Is it on a regular basis when with a TS?

Im kinda new to this scene, so I have a few dumb questions like this. Thanks.

[BlackAdder]

all sorts of diseases are carried in semen like umm...aids???

One small nick, cut or sore in your mouth or tongue and youve got it if she has it....I wouldnt swallow anything or even have it in my mouth!!!

[Ecstatic]

Actually, the risk for HIV is from open sores or cuts in the mouth--you need that blood contact. Stomach acids will destroy HIV. But it still ain't worth the risk, plus with other STDs which are actually much easier to transmit than HIV.

[SouthoftheBorder]

What about precum? What about cavities? Could you get infected when you have them?

[Harrys Boy]

Funny really, i was playing poker online a couple of days ago and one of the players asked a woman on there if he could ask her a simple question, she said sure and he said "spit or swallow?", she wasnt too impressed, probably contributed to her loosing!

[Ecstatic]

afaik, the CDC has never verified a case of HIV infection through oral sex, but that doesn't mean the risk isn't there. It is certainly far smaller than the risk through anal sex. But the risk for other STDs with oral sex is quite high, and that's the real risk (damn it!).

[mixedprettyboy]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050922/hl_nm/testing_hiv_dc

[Quinn]

afaik, the CDC has never verified a case of HIV infection through oral sex.

That's an interesting tidbit. I had heard this in relation to lesbian oral sex, but didn't know it was the case for all variations of oral sex. It's surprising considering how much we constantly hear about the communicability of HIV through oral sex.

-Quinn

[hondarobot]

I never knew that either, but I certainly think Ecstatic has his facts straight.

Interesting.

[Quinn]

I never knew that either, but I certainly think Ecstatic has his facts straight.

I don't doubt Ecstatic's command of the facts for a second. What I do question is how various US-based health organizations can state that HIV is communicable through oral sex when the CDC has never verified an instance of this happening.

-Quinn

[Ecstatic]

It's the potential for transmission, though the likelihood is very small. It's actually very difficult to "catch" HIV. But another major factor is that it's extremely difficult to test the hypothesis that HIV can be transmitted orally simply because, in the available statistical samples, those who engaged in unprotected oral sex often also engaged in anal sex or oral-anal sex and this could have been the source. So what we're talking about here is what is known as "theoretical risk" as opposed to "documented risk": a risk which is certainly possible based on current knowledge of the virus, but minus authenticated documented samples.

Here's some interesting data to consider:

Oral Sex and the Risk of HIV Transmission
The risk of HIV transmission from an infected partner through oral sex is much smaller than the risk of HIV transmission from anal or vaginal sex. Because of this, measuring the exact risk of HIV transmission as a result of oral sex is very difficult. In addition, since most sexually active individuals practice oral sex in addition to other forms of sex, such as vaginal and/or anal sex, when transmission occurs, it is difficult to determine whether or not it occurred as a result of oral sex or other more risky sexual activities. Finally, several co-factors can increase the risk of HIV transmission through oral sex, including: oral ulcers, bleeding gums, genital sores, and the presence of other STDs.

When scientists describe the risk of transmitting an infectious disease, like HIV, the term "theoretical risk" is often used. Very simply, "theoretical risk" means that passing an infection from one person to another is possible, even though there may not yet be any actual documented cases. "Theoretical risk" is not the same as likelihood. In other words, stating that HIV infection is "theoretically possible" does not necessarily mean it is likely to happen-only that it might. Documented risk, on the other hand, is used to describe transmission that has actually occurred, been investigated, and documented in the scientific literature.

Various scientific studies have been performed around the world to try and document and study instances of HIV transmission through oral sex. A programme in San Francisco studied 198 people, nearly all gay or bisexual men. The subjects stated that they had only had oral sex for a year, from six months preceding the six-month study to its end. 20 per cent of the study participants, 39 people, reported performing oral sex on partners they knew to be HIV positive. 35 of those did not use a condom and 16 reported swallowing cum. No-one became HIV positive during the study. Due to the low number of unprotected serodiscordant pairings, all that can be said is that there was a less than 2.8 per cent chance of infection through oral sex over a year. In 2000, a different San Francisco study of gay men who had recently acquired HIV infection found that 7.8 per cent of these infections were attributed to oral sex. However, the results of the study have since been called into question due to the reliability of the participant's data.

In June 2002, a study conducted amongst 135 HIV-negative Spanish heterosexuals, who were in a sexual relationship with a person who was HIV-positive, reported that over 19,000 instances of unprotected oral sex had not lead to any cases of HIV transmission. The study also looked at contributing factors that could effect the potential transmission of HIV through oral sex. They monitored viral load and asked questions such as whether ejaculation in the mouth occurred and how good oral health was. Amongst HIV-positive men, 34 per cent had ejaculated into the mouths of their partners. Viral load levels were available for 60 people in the study, 10 per cent of whom had levels over 10,000 copies. Nearly 16 per cent of the HIV-positive people had CD4 counts below 200. The study, conducted over a ten year period between 1990 and 2000, adds to the growing number of studies which suggest varying levels of risk of HIV transmission from oral sex when compared to anal or vaginal intercourse.

At the 4th International Oral AIDS Conference held in South Africa, the risk of transmission through oral sex was estimated to be approximately 0.04 per cent per contact. This percentage figure is a lot lower than the two American figures, because this figure is a risk per contact percentage, whereas the other figures are percentage risks over much longer time periods. Oral sex is still regarded as a low-risk sexual activity in terms of HIV transmission, but only when more work is done will we be clearer as to the risks of oral sex.
(source: http://www.avert.org/orlsx.htm)

As of 2003, the CDC is actually claiming "a few cases of HIV transmission" from oral sex, but in the context of general cautions and minus documentation (see above). Here's a brief statement from the CDC website:

Yes, it is possible for either partner to become infected with HIV through performing or receiving oral sex. There have been a few cases of HIV transmission from performing oral sex on a person infected with HIV. While no one knows exactly what the degree of risk is, evidence suggests that the risk is less than that of unprotected anal or vaginal sex.
(source: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/faq/faq19.htm)

It is likely that they are referring to the same cases as reported here:

There are no case reports that conclusively show reports of HIV infection occurring from the receptive partner (the mouth) to the insertive partner (the penis) via fellatio. A couple of cases have been reported, but these accounts are not been detailed and it is not known whether these are reliable reports.

(source: http://www.thebody.com/oralsex.html)

Check the sources for much more detail.

[Realgirls4me]

... You've certainly said a (gulp) mouthful there, Ec.



;)

[Quinn]

Ecstatic,

Great data. Thanks for helping with the clarification.

-Quinn

[ARMANIXXX]

Data is always good.

But most of you people have not answered on YOUR practices with TS's regarding this...um......orality.

lol

just made up a word I think.



But how bout it.

Do you people let them "go off" in your mouths? How many times have you done this?

Tell me....... I'm curious.

[Ecstatic]

25+ years ago, when I was actively bi, any number of times. HIV was not a concern then, though I admit I was cavalier regarding other STDs in my youth (luck be a lady, I never contracted anything from a partner). Since I started hooking up with tgirls over the past few years, I have occasionally indulged in bbbj, but only once had a girl "go off" in my mouth, and another time had a girl blow her load all over my face. In both cases I was as sure as possible that my partner was HIV-negative (recent test results, though of course there's the "eclipse" and "window" periods during which one may be infected but the tests may not detect the antibodies). I since resolved to be ever more vigilant.

[brickcitybrother]

I since resolved to be ever more vigilant.
Shouldn't we all?

[Ecstatic]

Amen.

[aguyCO]

I swallowed tamaya from oregon, I wanted her to shoot in my mouth but she wimped out and I ended up having to lick it up and swallow, it was a big turn on and it tasted so sweet. she said it was because she eats alot of fruit and from her hormones.

[johnrun2it]

I only swallow for the tgirl I'm dating!

[scorpion]

Never swallow.. If you know four 100% that you are healty in you moth it shold not bee a risk if you spot it out.. I have done it and so far Im healty.'
But I shouldt recomend any to suck a foregn dick whitout use a conom.... even if I doit that way. but in anal sex ther is no discussion: always use a condom... you can bee infeckted even if you dont let him spit inside you.
I Have more than 25 years expirment by gay/ ts sex behind mee and Im still healty... I have done some crasy meatings but genaeral I have been careful.
So take it slow and think what youre risking even when you are real horny... And let the safety go first. So excuse if It i say it again" hope you understand my french broken englich"
Hugs and kisses from : Scorpion

[johnrun2it]

Never swallow.. If you know four 100% that you are healty in you moth it shold not bee a risk if you spot it out.. I have done it and so far Im healty.'
But I shouldt recomend any to suck a foregn dick whitout use a conom.... even if I doit that way. but in anal sex ther is no discussion: always use a condom... you can bee infeckted even if you dont let him spit inside you.
I Have more than 25 years expirment by gay/ ts sex behind mee and Im still healty... I have done some crasy meatings but genaeral I have been careful.
So take it slow and think what youre risking even when you are real horny... And let the safety go first. So excuse if It i say it again" hope you understand my french broken englich"
Hugs and kisses from : Scorpion

Very good point, hence only have sex with those you're dating instead of just sex, make love! Much more intense. Besides, have an HIV test before hand and feel better while you do it. Ciao

[Paul]

IF THE CONDOM DONT FIT , YOU BETTER SPIT.......




SORRY I HAD TO DO THAT...


honestly....if it dont fit....buy one that does ya dumb fuckers