OSX role call.......................

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

Who else is in the Apple family?

[Ts CinthyaNY]

Here, here...

[ef9hatchman]

Just to troll yer thread JW lol.
Im a Shiba type of person... Toshiba FTW. :D

[SarahG]

10.5.6 FTW here.

[astridgirl]

I used to be a geek so I am running Hackintosh 10.5.6. The XXX Final Release on a Quad Core.

Runs ten times better than vista or anything else I have had.

Plus I can do video editing on it in FCS2 and work in Logic and aperature.

GO mac and never go back.

cheers
Astrid

[ilovetgirls36]

wow...and you only had to pay $3000 for your mac???

[altarica]

Macbook Pro here. Never had a problem with it, unlike when you run Microsoft shite.
Fuck Microsoft.

[Bee]

GO mac and never go backSo agree with you, Astrid! I love my Apple :wink:

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

wow...and you only had to pay $3000 for your mac???

your point?

[Bandomar]

Not to be argumentative or anything but..

Windows OS(s) aren't really all that bad, the problem with them for a majority of people (it seems like from my perspective) is that people don't know all the really arcane and/or obtuse aspects to fix their OS when it decides to go AWOL on them.

Admittedly that's a problem with the Windows OS systems I agree, but once a person surpasses that issue, then the OS tends to run *very* smoothly and efficiently.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

Not to be argumentative or anything but..

Windows OS(s) aren't really all that bad, the problem with them for a majority of people (it seems like from my perspective) is that people don't know all the really arcane and/or obtuse aspects to fix their OS when it decides to go AWOL on them.

Admittedly that's a problem with the Windows OS systems I agree, but once a person surpasses that issue, then the OS tends to run *very* smoothly and efficiently.

no disrespect since I have both operating systems (as well as a few others) but with the exclusion of the beta Windows 7 every Windows operating I've owned or used has had weird issues that OSX never had. I'm not saying that OSX is perfect by any means, let's face it there are some companies that refuse to program their software for OSX but the time I've spent on it has been enjoyable without lockups, crashes, viruses, etc.......

I'll be following Astrid with a Hackintosh build this month with a windows (probably 7 when its really ready) on a separate terabyte drive so I can still do silly things like torrent downloads, gnutella file xfers, etc.
things I really can do on my mac but prefer not to

[Castor_Troy05]

Got a 24" iMac, works well, had to bootcamp it though, and threw win7 on there.

Also got a Hackintosh running. I use Win7 more than any other OS at the moment, but the screen on the mac is great for my photography.

[Faldur]

You know what I love most about my Mac Pro? It runs as fine and fast today 2 years into service as it did the day it arrived. The PC I have in the other room, had a fresh install of XP loaded 3 months ago. It runs sluggish, buggy, and will need another fresh install of the OS in a couple months to keep the machine usable.

I will gladly pay additional monies for a product that continues to perform day in and day out at the same high level. My employeer buys me a new Mac Pro this fall and the PC in the other room goes in the garbage can...

[jaycanuck]

Mac User since OS 7. I think this is my 7th mac (maybe more). black Macbook with 10.5....though I'm thinking about going back to the desktop world.

[altarica]

Imagine running a marathon in perfect weather on a level dry track, thats life with a Mac.
Now imagine running it uphill, in pouring rain and a foot of mud, that's Windows.
So they cost a lot, so what, so does a Ferrari compared to a Kia.
You get what you pay for.

[altarica]

:D

[SarahG]

Imagine running a marathon in perfect weather on a level dry track, thats life with a Mac.
Now imagine running it uphill, in pouring rain and a foot of mud, that's Windows.
So they cost a lot, so what, so does a Ferrari compared to a Kia.
You get what you pay for.

Comparing Mac to Ferrari = instant fail.

Mac is more like the Smart car, functionally its great but instead of telling people "you're rich & possibly having a midlife crisis", you know its leading people to wonder if you're secretly gay.

Windows is all about control, mac is all about taking control away. If a mac were a car it wouldn't give you a choice in where you're going, it would always be an automatic, and it wouldn't even be happy about you selecting the paint color.

[ALYSINCLAIRxxx]

Count me in. :) I love my Mac Pro! I am very lucky to have it.

[Ts CinthyaNY]

wow...and you only had to pay $3000 for your mac???

It's a small price to pay for quality.

Love...
Cinthya.

[jaycanuck]

Imagine running a marathon in perfect weather on a level dry track, thats life with a Mac.
Now imagine running it uphill, in pouring rain and a foot of mud, that's Windows.
So they cost a lot, so what, so does a Ferrari compared to a Kia.
You get what you pay for.

Comparing Mac to Ferrari = instant fail.

Mac is more like the Smart car, functionally its great but instead of telling people "you're rich & possibly having a midlife crisis", you know its leading people to wonder if you're secretly gay.

Windows is all about control, mac is all about taking control away. If a mac were a car it wouldn't give you a choice in where you're going, it would always be an automatic, and it wouldn't even be happy about you selecting the paint color.

Last time I checked OS X was built on a UNIX core...probably one of the most open-sourced OS systems out there. If you know what you're doing, you can pop open the Terminal and hack about to your hearts content. The options open to developers and users because of this connection make it one of the most accessable Operating Systems out there. Your argument may have been true pre-OSX...but not as much these days.

[ilovetgirls36]

lol....you macs are so funny...guess im just jealous i dont have $3000 to spend

[SarahG]

Last time I checked OS X was built on a UNIX core...probably one of the most open-sourced OS systems out there. If you know what you're doing, you can pop open the Terminal and hack about to your hearts content. The options open to developers and users because of this connection make it one of the most accessable Operating Systems out there. Your argument may have been true pre-OSX...but not as much these days.

Actually in the pre-OSX days, iTunes was easily skinable (to the point where a noob could easily do it). Then Apple noticed with sites like resexcellence that people were messing with the colors with iTunes and rewrote the GUI to discourage iTunes skins (this was around 2004). Apple made a public statement at the time talking about their decision to kill the iTunes skins, and said something to the effect of "here at Apple our philosophy is to discourage stuff like this because all these skins could end up confusing users by changing colors or the appearances of buttons or menus from what they're used to."

I can think of quite a number of things that Apple has changed, just with OSX- since 10.2 to make it harder, not easier, for end users to manipulate the "look & feel" of the OS.

That said my post was made half jokingly tongue-in-cheek, I really wasn't being that serious about it.

[ef9hatchman]

Fuck the mac if your paying 3 grand no offense. Id much rather get AlienWare. Such beautifully Designed Computers/Laptops

[jaycanuck]

Last time I checked OS X was built on a UNIX core...probably one of the most open-sourced OS systems out there. If you know what you're doing, you can pop open the Terminal and hack about to your hearts content. The options open to developers and users because of this connection make it one of the most accessable Operating Systems out there. Your argument may have been true pre-OSX...but not as much these days.

Actually in the pre-OSX days, iTunes was easily skinable (to the point where a noob could easily do it). Then Apple noticed with sites like resexcellence that people were messing with the colors with iTunes and rewrote the GUI to discourage iTunes skins (this was around 2004). Apple made a public statement at the time talking about their decision to kill the iTunes skins, and said something to the effect of "here at Apple our philosophy is to discourage stuff like this because all these skins could end up confusing users by changing colors or the appearances of buttons or menus from what they're used to."

I can think of quite a number of things that Apple has changed, just with OSX- since 10.2 to make it harder, not easier, for end users to manipulate the "look & feel" of the OS.

That said my post was made half jokingly tongue-in-cheek, I really wasn't being that serious about it.

That's ok, in the end it's whatever tool you're comfortable with. About the iTunes though, you're thinking of Soundjam. iTunes never had the ability to skin (mind you...you can hack it yourself or with 3rd party apps). That being said, I miss those Soundjam days. Napster...soundjam. So much more innocent (innocent in that you could rip songs off). Interesting story behind the acquisition of Soundjam and the "almost success" by Panic.com with Audion at http://www.panic.com/extras/audionstory/

[SarahG]

Fuck the mac if your paying 3 grand no offense. Id much rather get AlienWare. Such beautifully Designed Computers/Laptops

I have heard stories of people breaking into apartments, seeing a mac & an alienware on the same desk- and stealing the mac because they didn't know what the alienware was and figured the mac would be easier to flip.

[ef9hatchman]

Fuck the mac if your paying 3 grand no offense. Id much rather get AlienWare. Such beautifully Designed Computers/Laptops

I have heard stories of people breaking into apartments, seeing a mac & an alienware on the same desk- and stealing the mac because they didn't know what the alienware was and figured the mac would be easier to flip.Lol...Alienwares are beasts.My friends little brother has one(geek status) but he owns online games shit is sooo clear 200fps on counterstrikw is what I saw last time I was estatic

[SarahG]

That's ok, in the end it's whatever tool you're comfortable with. About the iTunes though, you're thinking of Soundjam. iTunes never had the ability to skin (mind you...you can hack it yourself or with 3rd party apps). That being said, I miss those Soundjam days. Napster...soundjam. So much more innocent (innocent in that you could rip songs off). Interesting story behind the acquisition of Soundjam and the "almost success" by Panic.com with Audion at http://www.panic.com/extras/audionstory/

Wrong, iTunes v1 & v2 was skinnable. I probably still have skinned copies and some skins on my external HD somewhere.

v2 was the version that apple had out during the cross over period when they were still making dual boot machines (v2 worked in OS9 or OSX). Most people didn't even know it was skinnable, but it was.

[jaycanuck]

That's ok, in the end it's whatever tool you're comfortable with. About the iTunes though, you're thinking of Soundjam. iTunes never had the ability to skin (mind you...you can hack it yourself or with 3rd party apps). That being said, I miss those Soundjam days. Napster...soundjam. So much more innocent (innocent in that you could rip songs off). Interesting story behind the acquisition of Soundjam and the "almost success" by Panic.com with Audion at http://www.panic.com/extras/audionstory/

Wrong, iTunes v1 & v2 was skinnable. I probably still have skinned copies and some skins on my external HD somewhere.

v2 was the version that apple had out during the cross over period when they were still making dual boot machines (v2 worked in OS9 or OSX). Most people didn't even know it was skinnable, but it was.

Again..it's a difference of opinion as I've used Macs in everything since 1994. But to make sure (because even I have a faulty memory at times) I checked the history on wikipedia and found this.


SoundJam MP, developed by Jeff Robbin and Bill Kincaid and released by Casady & Greene in 1999,[6] became the basis for iTunes when Apple purchased it in 2000. Apple added a new user interface and the ability to burn CDs, and removed its recording feature and skin support, and released it as iTunes in January 2001.

So unless my memory is faulty, I don't ever remember it being skinable. Jobs does tend to take a lot of those features away as he's anal about design. Probably another reason I like Macs so much.

[SarahG]

That's ok, in the end it's whatever tool you're comfortable with. About the iTunes though, you're thinking of Soundjam. iTunes never had the ability to skin (mind you...you can hack it yourself or with 3rd party apps). That being said, I miss those Soundjam days. Napster...soundjam. So much more innocent (innocent in that you could rip songs off). Interesting story behind the acquisition of Soundjam and the "almost success" by Panic.com with Audion at http://www.panic.com/extras/audionstory/

Wrong, iTunes v1 & v2 was skinnable. I probably still have skinned copies and some skins on my external HD somewhere.

v2 was the version that apple had out during the cross over period when they were still making dual boot machines (v2 worked in OS9 or OSX). Most people didn't even know it was skinnable, but it was.

Again..it's a difference of opinion as I've used Macs in everything since 1994. But to make sure (because even I have a faulty memory at times) I checked the history on wikipedia and found this.


SoundJam MP, developed by Jeff Robbin and Bill Kincaid and released by Casady & Greene in 1999,[6] became the basis for iTunes when Apple purchased it in 2000. Apple added a new user interface and the ability to burn CDs, and removed its recording feature and skin support, and released it as iTunes in January 2001.

So unless my memory is faulty, I don't ever remember it being skinable. Jobs does tend to take a lot of those features away as he's anal about design. Probably another reason I like Macs so much.

wikipedia is wrong about when Jobs had the skinnable feature removed, it was 2003 when that was finally taken out of the program.

[DL_NL]

Mac User since 1985, on a Mac 512 ('Fat Mac'). Current machine is a Mac Mini. It's my 5th Mac, but I've managed to collect 22 old Macs somehow.

Typing this on a Win notebook though... which tends to need system work a lot and crashes at least twice a week, while my Mac has yet to crash for the first time in three years (and guess which system gets to do all the heavy stuff).

[jaycanuck]

That's ok, in the end it's whatever tool you're comfortable with. About the iTunes though, you're thinking of Soundjam. iTunes never had the ability to skin (mind you...you can hack it yourself or with 3rd party apps). That being said, I miss those Soundjam days. Napster...soundjam. So much more innocent (innocent in that you could rip songs off). Interesting story behind the acquisition of Soundjam and the "almost success" by Panic.com with Audion at http://www.panic.com/extras/audionstory/

Wrong, iTunes v1 & v2 was skinnable. I probably still have skinned copies and some skins on my external HD somewhere.

v2 was the version that apple had out during the cross over period when they were still making dual boot machines (v2 worked in OS9 or OSX). Most people didn't even know it was skinnable, but it was.

Again..it's a difference of opinion as I've used Macs in everything since 1994. But to make sure (because even I have a faulty memory at times) I checked the history on wikipedia and found this.


SoundJam MP, developed by Jeff Robbin and Bill Kincaid and released by Casady & Greene in 1999,[6] became the basis for iTunes when Apple purchased it in 2000. Apple added a new user interface and the ability to burn CDs, and removed its recording feature and skin support, and released it as iTunes in January 2001.

So unless my memory is faulty, I don't ever remember it being skinable. Jobs does tend to take a lot of those features away as he's anal about design. Probably another reason I like Macs so much.

wikipedia is wrong about when Jobs had the skinnable feature removed, it was 2003 when that was finally taken out of the program.

Ok..here's a version history of iTunes from TUAW. Nothing about skinning in their notes, but a comment from one user...


I still have my original copy of SoundJam on my hard drive, just as a relic of tribute. It was fantastic for the time, and had features iTunes *still* doesn't have. Skinning (no surprise there), and a built-in alarm clock, for example.

Also...as a final note on this, I found this on the Guidebook Gallery. It's a site that shows screenshots from various applications. Here are all the menu drop downs for iTunes.. http://www.guidebookgallery.org/apps/itunes/menus

[SarahG]

Also...as a final note on this, I found this on the Guidebook Gallery. It's a site that shows screenshots from various applications. Here are all the menu drop downs for iTunes.. http://www.guidebookgallery.org/apps/itunes/menus

What's your email? I could send you the .rsrc file from a skinned copy of itunes 2, I found it on one of my HD's.

[jaycanuck]

Also...as a final note on this, I found this on the Guidebook Gallery. It's a site that shows screenshots from various applications. Here are all the menu drop downs for iTunes.. http://www.guidebookgallery.org/apps/itunes/menus

What's your email? I could send you the .rsrc file from a skinned copy of itunes 2, I found it on one of my HD's.

It's not so much a point of being able to skin it. A creative person can skin a program using the .rsrc. In the old days you could use Res Edit to do that. I used to do that with icons. I'm sure you can still do that if you look deep enough. A lot of the graphic items have been moved to the main OS directory. That's not what I was debating. I was debating that iTunes as a shipped product never allowed a user to just flick on a skin. You could change visualizations..but that was mainly it.

[Tiffany Anne]

Yup..the only way to fly:)

[dgs925]

I work on a mac everyday, and use windows on my home machines. And they both have issues. The only reason Microsoft is the big evil company while apple is the righteous underdog adored by hipsters, is that Bill Gates made better business decisions than Jobs did. That's it.

[astridgirl]

Hey guys and gals

I am using a hacked version of osx 10.5.6 that runs on a regular old PC.

go to osx86project.org and see what I mean.

I spent about $600 on my machine all together and then put the hacked version of OSX on.

If I had $3000 to drop on a real Mac Quadcore I wouldnt be looking to get into porn as much!!! HAh.

Cheers and BTW the guy who was talking about Vista and XP is for people who know what they are doing.

i supported twice as many macs with half the time when I was working on the trading floors in Manhattan. XP, vista, Windows 7 they are all built on a kludged core.

Just my thoughts,

Astrid

[horndog]

My first Mac was a Performa 6400 running 7.5.3

It was the 200MHz model with 136MB/RAM, 2+Gig HDD and a 8X CD-ROM. Thought I was bad to the bone…lol

Afterward in about this order:
8500,
9600,
Blue & White G3 450MHz,
Sawtooth G4 500MHz,
Quicksilver G4 1GHz.

G5 1.8GHz single-core.
What a piece of shit this thing was. Apple put me through the wringer trying to get satisfaction on this lemon. Granted, I KNOW that EVERY manufacture will have a lemon get through QC, but as I said, Apple dragged their heels on this one.

Just for the record, performance was SUPER, when it was working right…

Then I got bit by the do-it-yourself bug. I’ve been a Windows guy ever since with ongoing experimentation with Linux., mostly Ubuntu and Mandriva.

However, work and most play are under Windows XP. I had Vista Home Premium running for a while on my main machine, but went back to XP. I look forward to Windows 7, or whatever it will end up being called. I may even “go back” to Vista depending on what the next Service Pack achieves.

Trust me, I am no Windows/Microsoft fanboi. Weighing the bang for buck factor on Microsoft vs Apple, Windows just happens to be a better choice for me.

Astridgirl, is that your pic?

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

Stability rocks
Windows 7 is a step in the right direction

OSX is the path to enlightenment.

[elo]

:mrgreen: Found that in another thread and had to post it.
http://www.hungangels.com/board/files/gay_test_184.jpg

[muhmuh]

Mac is more like the Smart car, functionally its great but instead of telling people "you're rich & possibly having a midlife crisis", you know its leading people to wonder if you're secretly gay.

more like a modern alfa which costs a premium, lacks power, has the driven wheels on the wrong end and has form over function written all over it (with the form being an aquired taste)

[kmod]

hmmm, i thought this was a roll call.....not a flame thread! lol.

macbook pro here also running xp through vmware (crashes often!) but not by choice, need the gps for work. mac needs gps compatibility so i can stop running this windows crap. besides the GPS i run everything; ilife, aperture, lightroom, roxio 10, torrents, all the good stuff. also wish heatseek would work on mac, that would be nice.

this is my first mac after having 5 PC's (3 of which were homebuilt) and will never go back!!!!!! :)

[SarahG]

Mac is more like the Smart car, functionally its great but instead of telling people "you're rich & possibly having a midlife crisis", you know its leading people to wonder if you're secretly gay.

more like a modern alfa which costs a premium, lacks power, has the driven wheels on the wrong end and has form over function written all over it (with the form being an aquired taste)

LOL! Point taken!

[nosurrender69]

macbook pro here also running xp through vmware


Uhmmm u do realize intel macs can run windows natively with bootcamp which is free with OSX leopard....--->emulated anything....sucks...so why stiffle yourself...yes ---I KNOW u have to restart the machine to switch back and forth but on my macbook pro i have been running bootcamp for ever it runs windows better than my desktop pc...I even game on it sometimes.


Ok also why upgrade to leopard if you have tiger.....its not very expensive and it's full of cool new stuff like coverflow..etc...

[SarahG]

macbook pro here also running xp through vmware


Uhmmm u do realize intel macs can run windows natively with bootcamp which is free with OSX leopard....--->emulated anything....sucks...so why stiffle yourself...yes ---I KNOW u have to restart the machine to switch back and forth but on my macbook pro i have been running bootcamp for ever it runs windows better than my desktop pc...I even game on it sometimes.


Ok also why upgrade to leopard if you have tiger.....its not very expensive and it's full of cool new stuff like coverflow..etc...

vmware is better for someone who is predominately a mac user imho. With bootcamp you have to restart into windoze- and that gets annoying if you only need to be in win for 5-10 minutes at a time.

I have both bootcamp and vmware setup, I almost never boot into windows but I use vmware at least every 2-3 days.

[kmod]

ya, i know that. vmware just smooths it out. ALL i use windows for is the gps....i dont really like having to restart my computer over and over again just to do that. plus its pretty neat being able to have the start menu right under my dock.

why would i not know that? also i didnt feel like partitioning one of my harddrives

[Tara Emory]

I'm on a Powerbook now (10.3.9, but one other machine is 10.4). I've been exclusively mac since '94 and system 7.1, and never fully warmed up to X

In some ways I prefer OS9 over X for a lot of the photoshop work I do. OSX does some funny things with workflow, like it tends to not remember the last file you opened, which is really handy when you've opening a whole bunch of files, working on each individually, then saving them. (yes, I've heard of batch processing, but it doesn't apply when each picture requires special attention)

Also, when you're printing in OSX, it tends to dumb down your options, whereas OS9 gives you easy-to-understand options. Also my vresions of Final Cut Pro and DVD Studio Pro are 9 native and don't work in classic, so I end up using 9 as much as X.

Still, I love Firefox, which only works on 10.4.

-Tara

[Bob's Tgirls]

Me

[dgs925]

Do the mac laptops still only have one mouse button? That right there is the main reason I decided to not get one of those cool 12" laptops.

[kmod]

im on 10.5.6 and have never used any browser apart from firefox.

ive got the trackpad that's one big button in itself and would never trade it for anything in the world

[SarahG]

I'm on a Powerbook now (10.3.9, but one other machine is 10.4). I've been exclusively mac since '94 and system 7.1, and never fully warmed up to X

In some ways I prefer OS9 over X for a lot of the photoshop work I do. OSX does some funny things with workflow, like it tends to not remember the last file you opened, which is really handy when you've opening a whole bunch of files, working on each individually, then saving them. (yes, I've heard of batch processing, but it doesn't apply when each picture requires special attention)

Also, when you're printing in OSX, it tends to dumb down your options, whereas OS9 gives you easy-to-understand options. Also my vresions of Final Cut Pro and DVD Studio Pro are 9 native and don't work in classic, so I end up using 9 as much as X.

Still, I love Firefox, which only works on 10.4.

-Tara

IIRC the fastest factory dual-boot machines were the 2003 Powermac G4 MDD's (which came with up to dual 1.42 ghz cpu's)... however, some of the older powermacs have aftermarket cpu upgrade cards which can go higher than that (if you're willing to spend the $$$). I believe the fastest dual-boot capable cpu upgrade cards are in the dual 1.8ghz range... not bad for preintel mac's. OS9 on a dual 1.8ghz machine would be pretty badass. Unfortunitly, last I checked (which was years ago) there were no high end cpu upgrade mods for the MDD MB's, which is sucky because they had the faster IDE buses (well, one of the 3 ide bus's was faster, the optical drives' bus was ATA66 which even in 2003 was ancient history). That's why the BTO MDD machines had a scisi bus card option, apple wasn't going with the fastest ata bus speeds around at the time and people didn't want to have to put up with "the best of 1999 tech" in 2003 (another example of how mac's are more design oriented than function oriented- using an ancient ATA bus in what was supposed to be the top of the line tower was unacceptable). Not All MDD machines were dual boot however, you have to watch the build date's to know which ones are OSX-only.

I do miss OS9, I was disappointed when apple put code in the ROM of the later powermacs to "kill" OS9 booting. If OSX was as great as they said it was, people would have willingly switched to it without being forced.

[Tara Emory]

IIRC the fastest factory dual-boot machines were the 2003 Powermac G4 MDD's (which came with up to dual 1.42 ghz cpu's)... however, some of the older powermacs have aftermarket cpu upgrade cards which can go higher than that (if you're willing to spend the $$$). I believe the fastest dual-boot capable cpu upgrade cards are in the dual 1.8ghz range... not bad for preintel mac's. OS9 on a dual 1.8ghz machine would be pretty badass. Unfortunitly, last I checked (which was years ago) there were no high end cpu upgrade mods for the MDD MB's, which is sucky because they had the faster IDE buses (well, one of the 3 ide bus's was faster, the optical drives' bus was ATA66 which even in 2003 was ancient history). That's why the BTO MDD machines had a scisi bus card option, apple wasn't going with the fastest ata bus speeds around at the time and people didn't want to have to put up with "the best of 1999 tech" in 2003 (another example of how mac's are more design oriented than function oriented- using an ancient ATA bus in what was supposed to be the top of the line tower was unacceptable). Not All MDD machines were dual boot however, you have to watch the build date's to know which ones are OSX-only.

I do miss OS9, I was disappointed when apple put code in the ROM of the later powermacs to "kill" OS9 booting. If OSX was as great as they said it was, people would have willingly switched to it without being forced.

Yeah, I have to say I hate osx. And actually I have a very specific reason. If anyone out there knows how I can do THIS with OSX, please tell me.

I take digital pictures and edit them in Photoshop 6. Please don't laugh and tell me to get with times and all that BS. I DO have 2 newer versions of Photoshop and OSX up to 10.4 on other machines , but this would take 10x longer to do in X than 9.

When I am in photoshop, I have to sift through and edit approx 150-200 photos. I generally do a few simple hue/saturation/ tweakes and then add some screen/overlay layers, flatten them, resize them and save them. All my actions are saved in "Actions" and are hot keyed.

So the first thing I do is that in photoshop 6 /OS 9.22, I open the first 20 pictures. Then I do my actions, resize and save As them (to another folder). When i finish with those 20, I open the next bunch of 20.

This goes very, VERY smoothly in OS9.. OS 9 REMEMBERS where the last file you opened was, and remembers the last place you saved a file. Its funny, because it doesnt remember the first time, but after the second time, it develops a pattern and then whenever you "save as" the next file, it goes where you put the last one. WONDERFUL!!! That's Intuitive, with a capital "I".

OSX, however, ALWAYS, ALWAYS takes me back to the root level of the file hierarchy. It always wants to "save as" the altered file wherever I opened the last file from. And it also is horrible when it comes to the order it shows the files being in any "open" windows. This is annoying to no end, and I can't seem to find anything to make X behave like 9. I've looked high and low in my photoshop 7 and CS prefrences and can't find anything that will make it behave the way I feel it ought to.

X takes away funtionality and added.. ooh a cool looking interface! Big fucking deal! I'll stick with 9.2 and Photoshop 6.5 for this particular workflow issue, thank you.

In X the opening and saving process means a lot of searching through folders and "why the hell does it want to put it there" sort of crap.. it would add about 5- 10 extra steps to my otherwise smooth process that I can pretty much do blindfolded.

Generally I use X if I want to web stuff and have pages look right, and that's it. And for running webcam software. If I have a machine that barely goes on the net, I'll use 9 (my final cut and DVD studio pro only work in 9). You'd think X would be more stable, but programs crash all the time (but the whole computer hardly ever locks up, like it sometimes does in 9)

I find the same crap with X and opening and saving files also applies to Safari. It doesn't remember the last place I got a file from, which is helpful if it did.

-Tara

[Tara Emory]

Yeah, I have to say I hate osx. And actually I have a very specific reason. If anyone out there knows how I can do THIS with OSX, please tell me.

I take digital pictures and edit them in Photoshop 6. Please don't laugh and tell me to get with times and all that BS. I DO have 2 newer versions of Photoshop and OSX up to 10.4 on other machines , but this would take 10x longer to do in X than 9.

When I am in photoshop, I have to sift through and edit approx 150-200 photos. I generally do a few simple hue/saturation/ tweakes and then add some screen/overlay layers, flatten them, resize them and save them. All my actions are saved in "Actions" and are hot keyed.

So the first thing I do is that in photoshop 6 /OS 9.22, I open the first 20 pictures. Then I do my actions, resize and save As them (to another folder). When i finish with those 20, I open the next bunch of 20.

This goes very, VERY smoothly in OS9.. OS 9 REMEMBERS where the last file you opened was, and remembers the last place you saved a file. Its funny, because it doesnt remember the first time, but after the second time, it develops a pattern and then whenever you "save as" the next file, it goes where you put the last one. WONDERFUL!!! That's Intuitive, with a capital "I".

OSX, however, ALWAYS, ALWAYS takes me back to the root level of the file hierarchy. It always wants to "save as" the altered file wherever I opened the last file from. And it also is horrible when it comes to the order it shows the files being in any "open" windows. This is annoying to no end, and I can't seem to find anything to make X behave like 9. I've looked high and low in my photoshop 7 and CS prefrences and can't find anything that will make it behave the way I feel it ought to.

X takes away funtionality and added.. ooh a cool looking interface! Big fucking deal! I'll stick with 9.2 and Photoshop 6.5 for this particular workflow issue, thank you.

In X the opening and saving process means a lot of searching through folders and "why the hell does it want to put it there" sort of crap.. it would add about 5- 10 extra steps to my otherwise smooth process that I can pretty much do blindfolded.

Generally I use X if I want to web stuff and have pages look right, and that's it. And for running webcam software. If I have a machine that barely goes on the net, I'll use 9 (my final cut and DVD studio pro only work in 9). You'd think X would be more stable, but programs crash all the time (but the whole computer hardly ever locks up, like it sometimes does in 9)

I find the same crap with X and opening and saving files also applies to Safari. It doesn't remember the last place I got a file from, which is helpful if it did.

-Tara

okay.. i take some of this rant back.. I just tried the opening/closing workflow in Photoshop CS in X, and I got it to remember where it opened the last file from and saved the last file from.. Which is tolerable. Turns out I changed the view of my opening window to from "cascading folder opening" to "single". (I don't know what the real terms are, but hopefully that makes sense)

Still- in 9 when you open the files, it actually will shoot to a place in the list of files where the last file you opened was (which is useful in figuring out where you were in the list). X doesn't do that. Also, I think Photoshop 7 on my other X machine was behaving badly, in a non-intuitive way.

Also, I don't care for the printer interface of my Epson printer in Photoshop using X. It's been simplified at the same time as they've made it more complicated, and the options don't really tell you much about how many DPI you're printing at. It's just like "good, better, best" print quality, and then a lot of other options that I don't understand.

-Tara

[jaycanuck]

Hey guys and gals

I am using a hacked version of osx 10.5.6 that runs on a regular old PC.

go to osx86project.org and see what I mean.

I spent about $600 on my machine all together and then put the hacked version of OSX on.

If I had $3000 to drop on a real Mac Quadcore I wouldnt be looking to get into porn as much!!! HAh.

Cheers and BTW the guy who was talking about Vista and XP is for people who know what they are doing.

i supported twice as many macs with half the time when I was working on the trading floors in Manhattan. XP, vista, Windows 7 they are all built on a kludged core.

Just my thoughts,

Astrid

Ok...you're officially kick-ass. Most girls in my life have a hard time figuring out the desktop. Hell, I helped one girl buy a Mac Mini...she didn't even know you had to buy a mouse for it.

[frenchbob]

apple reins supreme

[mcaextreme69]

Mac for life.....no other way.....

[bulldog]

Fuck the mac if your paying 3 grand no offense. Id much rather get AlienWare. Such beautifully Designed Computers/Laptops

amen buddy, a gamers wet dream come true :P

[Castor_Troy05]

Tara, I'd suggest you have a look at lightroom for the tweaks that you are applying, it's faster and lighter than PS. I guess you could use PS for the branding though

[whatislove]

I used to be a geek so I am running Hackintosh 10.5.6. The XXX Final Release on a Quad Core.

Runs ten times better than vista or anything else I have had.

Plus I can do video editing on it in FCS2 and work in Logic and aperature.

GO mac and never go back.

cheers
Astrid

That's cool, of course.

[CindySin]

wow...and you only had to pay $3000 for your mac???

I would gladly pay twice that to be sure the computer worked properly!
also your pricing is inaccurate and does not take into account software, not to mention the thousand of hours and dollars spent trying to fix or just deal with windows problems.

for the last 15 years, half my time was spent doing work on my mac, and the other half of my time was spent fixing the Wintel machines that had problems.

while I can not speak for Vista, as I have never used it, XP was the most stable Microsoft operating system I have used and thats only after running the 400 or so security updates and bug patches.

[jaycanuck]

wow...and you only had to pay $3000 for your mac???

I would gladly pay twice that to be sure the computer worked properly!
also your pricing is inaccurate and does not take into account software, not to mention the thousand of hours and dollars spent trying to fix or just deal with windows problems.

for the last 15 years, half my time was spent doing work on my mac, and the other half of my time was spent fixing the Wintel machines that had problems.

while I can not speak for Vista, as I have never used it, XP was the most stable Microsoft operating system I have used and thats only after running the 400 or so security updates and bug patches.

Not to mention that that $3000 mark is for pro systems. If you're doing a lot of graphics work (video, photoshop) this is a drop in the bucket. In reality you can get a lot of Apple's systems for $2000 or less. My laptop was $1500 and I am in the graphics industry. For the amount of work I do, this thing does what I need and not once has it crashed. I think I'll stick to paying $1500 for a kick-ass system.

[goldensamba]

I too run Mac. There is good and bad with both OS's so I don't hate Microsoft or any of that nonsense. Unfortunately some things only run on windows so I use windows on VM Ware Fusion as well.

[CindySin]

hmmm, i thought this was a roll call.....not a flame thread! lol.

macbook pro here also running xp through vmware (crashes often!) but not by choice, need the gps for work. mac needs gps compatibility so i can stop running this windows crap. besides the GPS i run everything; ilife, aperture, lightroom, roxio 10, torrents, all the good stuff. also wish heatseek would work on mac, that would be nice.

this is my first mac after having 5 PC's (3 of which were homebuilt) and will never go back!!!!!! :)


Oddly enough
in every forum I have ever been on, Mac roll calls always turn into flame threads. And it always starts with a Wintel user staing that a mac costs $3000.00

[CindySin]

wow...and you only had to pay $3000 for your mac???

I would gladly pay twice that to be sure the computer worked properly!
also your pricing is inaccurate and does not take into account software, not to mention the thousand of hours and dollars spent trying to fix or just deal with windows problems.

for the last 15 years, half my time was spent doing work on my mac, and the other half of my time was spent fixing the Wintel machines that had problems.

while I can not speak for Vista, as I have never used it, XP was the most stable Microsoft operating system I have used and thats only after running the 400 or so security updates and bug patches.

Not to mention that that $3000 mark is for pro systems. If you're doing a lot of graphics work (video, photoshop) this is a drop in the bucket. In reality you can get a lot of Apple's systems for $2000 or less. My laptop was $1500 and I am in the graphics industry. For the amount of work I do, this thing does what I need and not once has it crashed. I think I'll stick to paying $1500 for a kick-ass system.

I would go so far as to say that the Mac Pro is now a video edit suite. (maybe some of the more elaborate photo edit filters as well)
I am also in the graphics industry and use a macbook and a Mac Mini.
and I have to tell you this mac Mini Kicks ass (and came in at less than $650.00 )

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

wow...and you only had to pay $3000 for your mac???

I would gladly pay twice that to be sure the computer worked properly!
also your pricing is inaccurate and does not take into account software, not to mention the thousand of hours and dollars spent trying to fix or just deal with windows problems.

for the last 15 years, half my time was spent doing work on my mac, and the other half of my time was spent fixing the Wintel machines that had problems.

while I can not speak for Vista, as I have never used it, XP was the most stable Microsoft operating system I have used and thats only after running the 400 or so security updates and bug patches.

Not to mention that that $3000 mark is for pro systems. If you're doing a lot of graphics work (video, photoshop) this is a drop in the bucket. In reality you can get a lot of Apple's systems for $2000 or less. My laptop was $1500 and I am in the graphics industry. For the amount of work I do, this thing does what I need and not once has it crashed. I think I'll stick to paying $1500 for a kick-ass system.

I would go so far as to say that the Mac Pro is now a video edit suite. (maybe some of the more elaborate photo edit filters as well)
I am also in the graphics industry and use a macbook and a Mac Mini.
and I have to tell you this mac Mini Kicks ass (and came in at less than $650.00 )

I'm using CS4 and Lightroom 2.0 right now on my MBP flawlessly, it's also nice having an operating system I dont need to do a fresh reinstall on annually ala anything MS dishes out.

[jaycanuck]

wow...and you only had to pay $3000 for your mac???

I would gladly pay twice that to be sure the computer worked properly!
also your pricing is inaccurate and does not take into account software, not to mention the thousand of hours and dollars spent trying to fix or just deal with windows problems.

for the last 15 years, half my time was spent doing work on my mac, and the other half of my time was spent fixing the Wintel machines that had problems.

while I can not speak for Vista, as I have never used it, XP was the most stable Microsoft operating system I have used and thats only after running the 400 or so security updates and bug patches.

Not to mention that that $3000 mark is for pro systems. If you're doing a lot of graphics work (video, photoshop) this is a drop in the bucket. In reality you can get a lot of Apple's systems for $2000 or less. My laptop was $1500 and I am in the graphics industry. For the amount of work I do, this thing does what I need and not once has it crashed. I think I'll stick to paying $1500 for a kick-ass system.

I would go so far as to say that the Mac Pro is now a video edit suite. (maybe some of the more elaborate photo edit filters as well)
I am also in the graphics industry and use a macbook and a Mac Mini.
and I have to tell you this mac Mini Kicks ass (and came in at less than $650.00 )

I'm using CS4 and Lightroom 2.0 right now on my MBP flawlessly, it's also nice having an operating system I dont need to do a fresh reinstall on annually ala anything MS dishes out.

It's funny you mention this because for some reason I still do reinstalls. I think it's a tick from OS 9 days. But more-so I think it's just that my filing is messy and I amass so much junk. But you are correct, I could keep my system going without a reinstall....just an ....OS 9....tick. :)

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

Hackintosh anyone?

wondering if it's cheaper to do it over the latest Mac mini which has been kicking ass in reviews priced at $650

[SarahG]

It's funny you mention this because for some reason I still do reinstalls. I think it's a tick from OS 9 days. But more-so I think it's just that my filing is messy and I amass so much junk. But you are correct, I could keep my system going without a reinstall....just an ....OS 9....tick. :)

I never had to reinstall OS9, the big thing there were system extension conflicts.

Easiest solution is to walk through after the first OS install and change the item color of all the out of the box apple extensions, control panels, etc. Then I'd delete the ones I knew I was never going to need.

Then if the system starts to get bogged down, its likely because of the hundreds of 3rd party extensions & control panels that would be installed at various times- one could merely delete the non-colored items to get back to a near factory install (leaving the application support, system preferences etc so all that info is still there for when reinstalling stuff later on).

There was an app, whose name I can't recall- that would also "look" at all the installed system extensions & control panels to flag combinations known to cause extension conflicts.

I used to go out of my way to see how much stuff I could install onto my OS9 system just to show how stable it -could- be, I can remember sitting in classes, starting up my laptop and having people in awe because of all the dozens of control panel or extension icons that would be listed along the bottom during boot up.

[jaycanuck]

It's funny you mention this because for some reason I still do reinstalls. I think it's a tick from OS 9 days. But more-so I think it's just that my filing is messy and I amass so much junk. But you are correct, I could keep my system going without a reinstall....just an ....OS 9....tick. :)

I never had to reinstall OS9, the big thing there were system extension conflicts.

Easiest solution is to walk through after the first OS install and change the item color of all the out of the box apple extensions, control panels, etc. Then I'd delete the ones I knew I was never going to need.

Then if the system starts to get bogged down, its likely because of the hundreds of 3rd party extensions & control panels that would be installed at various times- one could merely delete the non-colored items to get back to a near factory install (leaving the application support, system preferences etc so all that info is still there for when reinstalling stuff later on).

There was an app, whose name I can't recall- that would also "look" at all the installed system extensions & control panels to flag combinations known to cause extension conflicts.

I used to go out of my way to see how much stuff I could install onto my OS9 system just to show how stable it -could- be, I can remember sitting in classes, starting up my laptop and having people in awe because of all the dozens of control panel or extension icons that would be listed along the bottom during boot up.

Oh man extensions. What a great system architecture eh? Those old OSes were so finicky. It's funny you mention not reinstalling. I worked with someone at an agency who hadn't reinstalled his system in a long long time....and in some cases it worked better than a system reinstalled for a couple months. I swear at times OS 7-9 seemed to correct itself over time. But then you could also be the unlucky one and have delete one at a time to find out what the problem was.

.... and don't get me started on SCSI chains!

[jaycanuck]

Hackintosh anyone?

wondering if it's cheaper to do it over the latest Mac mini which has been kicking ass in reviews priced at $650

It's a pretty sweet deal Johnny. Plus if you already have the rest of the stuff (keyboard, display, mouse) it's even better. You certainly wouldn't have to worry about updates and stuff.

[Tara Emory]

You don't have to spend $3000 on a Mac. You can probably do more with used macs thank you can do with a comparable year PC.

My decade-old (!) G4 is still used every day for Photoshop, Final Cut Pro, DVD studio Pro. For like $100 I was able to buy a few more, consolidate parts and memory, and make another good machine to video edit on. Especially if you run the system software and apps that was designed to run on the machine they will run well enough.

I have the feeling that a 10 year old PC is pretty much worthless.

I get this PC photo magazine in the mail and their recent big story was them gushing about a new app that took out blemishes in skin (and that's pretty much all it did). It's nothing new when a program just creates a lazy way of doing what a skilled person can easily do in Photoshop 3.0 (mid 90's) with a the lasso, clone stamp and blur tools.



-Tara

[jaycanuck]

Tara do you still use Photoshop 3? Wow..I miss those days. Programs now are bloated.

[Tara Emory]

Tara do you still use Photoshop 3? Wow..I miss those days. Programs now are bloated.

oh god no. I use 6.5 on one machine, and I also have 7 and CS1 but the way OsX behaves when you open save (not as bad as I thought, but still there are little annoyances) makes it so 6 is just fine.

I know there are other differences in Photoshop versions, but the ones that pop out are:

2.0 was the first version I used, back on a 68030 machine in the early 90's
3 was the first to have layers

Either 4 or 5 had multiple undos, which made a huge difference.

When I switched to 5 or 6, the ability of Photoshop to add text in different fonts was greatly improved.. One of the older versions didn't let you edit any text once you had put it down as a layer.

I hear that newer versions make it so that you can trim 50 pounds off a model, which is just a tad bit disingenuous.

http://photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com/2008/08/suicidegirls-death-by-chocolate.html

Some people should have their photoshop privilidges taken away from them...

-Tara

[jaycanuck]

The other benefit of 4 over 3 (3 was huge for me) was that when you pasted it created a new layer. Kept forgetting to create the new layer in 3.

[raiku9909]

i'm a recent convert to apple. always been an adobe fiend, but when adobe added OnLocation to the mac version of CS4 i went mac and never looked back.

[SarahG]

Oh man extensions. What a great system architecture eh? Those old OSes were so finicky. It's funny you mention not reinstalling. I worked with someone at an agency who hadn't reinstalled his system in a long long time....and in some cases it worked better than a system reinstalled for a couple months. I swear at times OS 7-9 seemed to correct itself over time. But then you could also be the unlucky one and have delete one at a time to find out what the problem was.

.... and don't get me started on SCSI chains!

That's why you could save boot up configurations under the extension manager. As long as you backed up your settings before installing new software, its not so hard to find which extension caused the conflict.

But the great thing about OS9 was the debugger, with that installed & activated I'd never have to worry about a program crash making the system need a hard reboot. As soon as a program would crash a black box would come up (the debugger) and then just type, think it was EN? to quit the program without a hard reboot. For some reason force quit always tended to give me... the bomb.

When the bomb would come up, 99.9999% of the time clicking on the restart button would lockup the system for me. :evil:

[jaycanuck]

But the great thing about OS9 was the debugger, with that installed & activated I'd never have to worry about a program crash making the system need a hard reboot. As soon as a program would crash a black box would come up (the debugger) and then just type, think it was EN? to quit the program without a hard reboot. For some reason force quit always tended to give me... the bomb.



Wow. I didn't know about the debugger. Sounds way better than the force quit. I agree. Most of the time I winced when I hit force quit.....I knew what was next.

[SarahG]

But the great thing about OS9 was the debugger, with that installed & activated I'd never have to worry about a program crash making the system need a hard reboot. As soon as a program would crash a black box would come up (the debugger) and then just type, think it was EN? to quit the program without a hard reboot. For some reason force quit always tended to give me... the bomb.



Wow. I didn't know about the debugger. Sounds way better than the force quit. I agree. Most of the time I winced when I hit force quit.....I knew what was next.

Take the time to register with the ADC, you'd be surprised what cool stuff they let people DL.

IIRC the debugger only worked with certain G3 and G4 cpu's... not all machines were supported.

[pshoppro]

I am a mac user...

[dirty1002]

i have both a mac book pro and pc top of the line video editing machine built by adk and ill take the mac anyday faster more stable and you dont have to spend money on securty software or spend time cleaning it up once a mounth or so

[DL_NL]

The stuff I do at home has been getting more CPU-intensive lately, so I'm getting the new Mac Mini soon. Also, I want to be able to run CS4 which my first-gen Mini can't.

The old one's still working great, though.

[pnwguy24]

Anything other than a hackintosh is complete and total ripoff. Anyone who thinks MAC's are worth the price premium due to quality haven't looked much further than the OEM builders. If you go boutique, or build your own you can easily attain and surpass apple quality at half the cost.

That being said, OSX is very nice for what it is, and I actually run a hackintosh myself as a second computer. Apple has a good product in
OSX and they make some nice looking machines, although I think
Lian Li has them beat in the looks department. My problem is what
adds up to about a $1200 price premium for a nice operating system.
That is just a scam. I encourage everyone that has to have a MAC to build
a hackintosh.

On that note, I would never trade my Core i7 gaming machine for a MAC.

[jaycanuck]

I encourage everyone that has to have a MAC to build
a hackintosh.

Not everyone is a computer genius and not everyone wants to deal with the annoyance of update breaks. Some people just want to buy a computer and have it work.

It's the difference of buying a crappy fold-out plastic chair that has catching hinges and a really well designed hard-wood chair. Which one will provide the most joy in the end?

[DL_NL]

My Mac Mini is still a thing of beauty. I've been looking at custom PCs but can't seem to find one that looks as good as a Mac- you'll never find a complete system that looks good together.

[jaycanuck]

..., but im ready for a Desktop since i have finally settled down into a place

I hear you there. I'm looking at the displays at the Apple Store. Would be nice to get more screen real estate.

[pnwguy24]

I encourage everyone that has to have a MAC to build
a hackintosh.

Not everyone is a computer genius and not everyone wants to deal with the annoyance of update breaks. Some people just want to buy a computer and have it work.

It's the difference of buying a crappy fold-out plastic chair that has catching hinges and a really well designed hard-wood chair. Which one will provide the most joy in the end?

Well if you do a vanilla install it will update just as usual. All you need is a boot disc that allows you to install it. Once installed it will work and update as normal. As long as you use hardware that is known to be supported. I do hear you on the issue of people that just want something "that works", but I can encourage everyone broaden their horizons.

[emilyts]

OS7.5 baby linux and windows user now days.

[jaycanuck]

OS7.5 baby linux and windows user now days.

In some ways I miss those simpler days. Wistful thoughts in a technological era? Maybe I'm just getting old.

[flabbybody]

I read this whole thread and understand 10% of it. All I know is that when I turn on my 2 yr old toshiiba laptop running on XP there's about a 40 60 chance I'll get through the day without an issue.
freeze-ups, pop-ups, crashes, slowness, viruses, blah blah blah blah. and those windows messages about corrupted files makes me want to puke.
The geek squad in India I paid $300 for fixes things for about 2 days and then I'm bac calling Bom Bay Bob trying not to curse him out

and I aint doing exotic stuff in my tiny Manhattan apartment: financial websites, myspace, downloading pics, porn sites, limeWire, general surfing (HA of course), emailing, etc

folks who kno me are telling me to go for the i mac, currently priced at about $1,000. I need a few of you HA'ers to push me over the edge

[Jericho]

folks who kno me are telling me to go for the i mac, currently priced at about $1,000. I need a few of you HA'ers to push me over the edge

Don't do it, just reinstall your OS, save a 1000 $

[jaycanuck]

15 years. Zero viruses.
5 years. Zero crashes.

Oh...and no anti-virus software.

[flabbybody]

folks who kno me are telling me to go for the i mac, currently priced at about $1,000. I need a few of you HA'ers to push me over the edge

Don't do it, just reinstall your OS, save a 1000 $

been there, done that.. lost all my pics and files and the pop-ups came bac in a week

[Jericho]

folks who kno me are telling me to go for the i mac, currently priced at about $1,000. I need a few of you HA'ers to push me over the edge

Don't do it, just reinstall your OS, save a 1000 $

been there, done that.. lost all my pics and files and the pop-ups came bac in a week

That's why god invented the external hard-drive! :lol:

(btw, macsters, before you feel the need to pop-off...I'm not knocking the mac, they're good machines...its just the apple ethos that i hate.)

[SarahG]

That's why god invented the external hard-drive! :lol:


Using several so you can do raid, that way if one takes a shit- there's no data loss.

[muhmuh]

been there, done that.. lost all my pics and files and the pop-ups came bac in a week

well good luck with osx then
http://www.dailytech.com/Apples+Safari+Security+Woes/article11299.htm
sparseness of deployment is not a software security policy thats worth supporting

if you are having browser issues the problem is most likely you surfing on untrustworth websites while logged into an admin account with a browser that isnt updated properly and not using a sandbox
basically youre asking for it

[SarahG]

well good luck with osx then
http://www.dailytech.com/Apples+Safari+Security+Woes/article11299.htm
sparseness of deployment is not a software security policy thats worth supporting

Agreed but good luck convincing the apple fanatics that.

<-not hating, I am a mac user.

[jaycanuck]

well good luck with osx then
http://www.dailytech.com/Apples+Safari+Security+Woes/article11299.htm
sparseness of deployment is not a software security policy thats worth supporting



I don't use Safari. It's a piece of crap. I use Firefox.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

well good luck with osx then
http://www.dailytech.com/Apples+Safari+Security+Woes/article11299.htm
sparseness of deployment is not a software security policy thats worth supporting



I don't use Safari. It's a piece of crap. I use Firefox.

agreed

now for the pop off

being both a mac and a pc user I have to say this......

both systems are good, but for the user that simply goes on a computer to browse the web, write some docs on Word or another processor, and occasionally does some other stuff the mac operating system is as simple as it gets.

Windows is great if you are willing to spend the time learning how to use it, deciding what antivirus software and firewall software you want to run then picking and choosing other software to use. I love my pc and I use it to download all the crap off the net I can't live without.

I use my mac for peace of mind, I know windows users will say "Johnny thats not true" but here's my .02 cents, since I've owned my mac pro I've turned it on, it boots up in less than a minute everytime, it NEVER crashes, freezes, locks up (whatever term you wish to choose) and installing or deleting software off it is usually a 20 second task.

I LOVE Windows 7 and I enjoy using it (it's running on my mac, lol) but Vista was a nightmare and leaving it to go to OSX has been quite pleasant.

[jaycanuck]

I LOVE Windows 7 and I enjoy using it (it's running on my mac, lol) but Vista was a nightmare and leaving it to go to OSX has been quite pleasant.[/b]

I'll be the first to admit that i'm a Mac fanatic (that's obvious). That being said i don't begrudge anyone for making a kick ass operating system. From what I saw in Vista...that wasn't a kick ass OS. I've read about Windows 7...it's sounding promising.

[muhmuh]

being both a mac and a pc user I have to say this......

GAH a mac is a pc and always has been a pc ffs


Windows is great if you are willing to spend the time learning how to use it, deciding what antivirus software and firewall software you want to run then picking and choosing other software to use.

or you could run windows from a user account and not worry about most of these things


i think apple shot themselves in the foot somewhat by switching to x86 in previous years no geek ever even considered buying an apple
nowerdays installing osx on a bios driven x86 platfom has become a sport or hobby for the tech crowd which in turn also means that theres a lot more macos machines in the hands of people with the knowledge and disdain for humanity to find exploits for it

[peggygee]

i think apple shot themselves in the foot somewhat by switching to x86 in previous years no geek ever even considered buying an apple
nowerdays installing osx on a bios driven x86 platfom has become a sport or hobby for the tech crowd which in turn also means that theres a lot more macos machines in the hands of people with the knowledge and disdain for humanity to find exploits for it

Along with some other projects, I'm working on a
"Hackintosh" as we speak.

[flabbybody]

stopped by the 24/7 Apple store on 5th ave in midtown New York today.
20 inch iMac with wireless key board and mouse is $1355, including sales tax. you get free 90 day telephone tech support and a one year guarantee (3 years is an additional $169)

In the store I put the aol home page on the safari browser and it gave me that nice famaliar feel of being on a pc. opening web sites was instantaneous, although I was scared to open HA with the geeky apple dude standing next to me, and myspace and facebook are blocked.
I really wanted to test myspace cuz that crawls like shit on my present laptop, especially graphic rich pages

The guy says it works out of the box, no endless OS, windows and MSFT registrations and downloads.. essentially idiot proof
i'm kinda close to taking the plunge. probably need one more crash issue with my pc

[jaycanuck]

stopped by the 24/7 Apple store on 5th ave in midtown New York today.
20 inch iMac with wireless key board and mouse is $1355, including sales tax. you get free 90 day telephone tech support and a one year guarantee (3 years is an additional $169)

In the store I put the aol home page on the safari browser and it gave me that nice famaliar feel of being on a pc. opening web sites was instantaneous, although I was scared to open HA with the geeky apple dude standing next to me, and myspace and facebook are blocked.
I really wanted to test myspace cuz that crawls like shit on my present laptop, especially graphic rich pages

The guy says it works out of the box, no endless OS, windows and MSFT registrations and downloads.. essentially idiot proof
i'm kinda close to taking the plunge. probably need one more crash issue with my pc

One thing that may help you decide is that the Mac can run Windows....either as a main OS or through Parallels (which runs it along side of the Mac). So as you're learning the Mac you can dip into Windows should you need to.

[LibertyHarkness]

Macbook here :) and PC as well :)

[jaycanuck]

Macbook here :) and PC as well :)

Sweet. Macbook girl. I have the black Macbook.

[scavenger]

Not to be argumentative or anything but..

Windows OS(s) aren't really all that bad, the problem with them for a majority of people (it seems like from my perspective) is that people don't know all the really arcane and/or obtuse aspects to fix their OS when it decides to go AWOL on them.

Admittedly that's a problem with the Windows OS systems I agree, but once a person surpasses that issue, then the OS tends to run *very* smoothly and efficiently.

The MAC OS will never have to deal with tens of thousands of software options and thousands of hardware configurations that Windows does.

Not to mention that when MAC's break down you cant just hop on the net and get replacement parts that will work.

Also, 95% of PC crashes are hardware related.

The reliability issue is idiotic. I can guarantee you all that if MAC's had the market presence that PC's do you would see a lot more threats regularly. Virus writers not only want to do damage, but they want their virus programs to make the news and make them famous. That can't happen when you infect 10 MAC computers.

Im not pro MS by any means. But this thread needed some facts.


Dave

[jaycanuck]

Not to be argumentative or anything but..

Windows OS(s) aren't really all that bad, the problem with them for a majority of people (it seems like from my perspective) is that people don't know all the really arcane and/or obtuse aspects to fix their OS when it decides to go AWOL on them.

Admittedly that's a problem with the Windows OS systems I agree, but once a person surpasses that issue, then the OS tends to run *very* smoothly and efficiently.

The MAC OS will never have to deal with tens of thousands of software options and thousands of hardware configurations that Windows does.

Not to mention that when MAC's break down you cant just hop on the net and get replacement parts that will work.

Also, 95% of PC crashes are hardware related.

The reliability issue is idiotic. I can guarantee you all that if MAC's had the market presence that PC's do you would see a lot more threats regularly. Virus writers not only want to do damage, but they want their virus programs to make the news and make them famous. That can't happen when you infect 10 MAC computers.

Im not pro MS by any means. But this thread needed some facts.


Dave


Dave I'm a Mac user and agree 100% about the market penetration. That being said I'm still 15 years without a virus. Should the Mac get 50% then I'll be worried. As for parts, you are right again, but with a warranty and online services such as Craigslist and Ebay you can get stuff...and most of the insides of the Mac are similar to the PC now...including hard drives, optical drives, RAM, etc.

Not disagreeing with you...but the fact is My Mac is safer.

[SarahG]

stopped by the 24/7 Apple store on 5th ave in midtown New York today.
20 inch iMac with wireless key board and mouse is $1355, including sales tax. you get free 90 day telephone tech support and a one year guarantee (3 years is an additional $169)

:shock:

They keep decreasing how much free tech support you can get.

Back in the 90s tech support was for life. Apple tried to change their minds but they were sued for it, technically you can still, to this day, get free tech support for performas.

At some point they went to tech support being free only in the warranty period... if you got the 3 year extended warranty that would include an increase in free tech support.

90 days is a mistake, it should be for the full year of warranty coverage.

[SarahG]

Not to mention that when MAC's break down you cant just hop on the net and get replacement parts that will work.

That's not completely true, Apple will not sell people parts for their laptops, nor will they allow service centers to repair their laptops. If a mac laptop breaks it goes back to the factory air-mail for a refurb.

The only way you can get laptop parts is on places like eBay, and even then it can be a very hit or miss (and very overpriced). Mac laptops are frequently worth more in parts than as full units.

[jaycanuck]

technically you can still, to this day, get free tech support for performas.

Ha...that's awesome. Didn't know that. The operator wouldn't know what to do if that call came in. "Perforwhat??"



90 days is a mistake, it should be for the full year of warranty coverage.

I agree...but the I agree getting lifetime phone support for any big purchase. Cars, Computers...I just think if you plunk down that kind of money it's an investment in their company.

[SarahG]

Ha...that's awesome. Didn't know that. The operator wouldn't know what to do if that call came in. "Perforwhat??"

It's probably been some time since anyone tried calling for a perfoma. I wonder if they still have the literature they'd need to give help on that.

Before their tech support number became a pay-support line, I used to prank them calling up asking about Mac512k problems. :twisted:

[muhmuh]

That being said I'm still 15 years without a virus.

well good for you
i think the last virus that gave me any problems was parity boot which was about the same amount of years ago
that said i was probably not even or maybe just a teenager back then and in my diskswapping years so i was bound to get problems sooner or later


Not disagreeing with you...but the fact is My Mac is safer.

1) if safety from viri through rarety was the motivation youd be running solaris or irix
2) vista has been out for about 2 1/2 years now and any program that was released since then or has been updated since then (ie practically everything out there) should be able to run without admin privileges so any properly set up machine will be inherently safe

[jaycanuck]

[quote=jaycanuck]

Before their tech support number became a pay-support line, I used to prank them calling up asking about Mac512k problems. :twisted:

"yah, I have an Apple I that's acting funny..."

[lorddigitalhighfixer]

OSX is fine if you're just doing graphic design on it, and not storing anything important. OSX server is probably the most insecure software released since Windows 95. OSX was the first to fall at this year's 'Pwn to own' security competition with a simple browser hijack that gave up root access in about 1.5mins.

If you handle credit cards, super sekrit client information or anything else use OpenBSD for your file server

[scavenger]

Not to be argumentative or anything but..

Windows OS(s) aren't really all that bad, the problem with them for a majority of people (it seems like from my perspective) is that people don't know all the really arcane and/or obtuse aspects to fix their OS when it decides to go AWOL on them.

Admittedly that's a problem with the Windows OS systems I agree, but once a person surpasses that issue, then the OS tends to run *very* smoothly and efficiently.

The MAC OS will never have to deal with tens of thousands of software options and thousands of hardware configurations that Windows does.

Not to mention that when MAC's break down you cant just hop on the net and get replacement parts that will work.

Also, 95% of PC crashes are hardware related.

The reliability issue is idiotic. I can guarantee you all that if MAC's had the market presence that PC's do you would see a lot more threats regularly. Virus writers not only want to do damage, but they want their virus programs to make the news and make them famous. That can't happen when you infect 10 MAC computers.

Im not pro MS by any means. But this thread needed some facts.


Dave


Dave I'm a Mac user and agree 100% about the market penetration. That being said I'm still 15 years without a virus. Should the Mac get 50% then I'll be worried. As for parts, you are right again, but with a warranty and online services such as Craigslist and Ebay you can get stuff...and most of the insides of the Mac are similar to the PC now...including hard drives, optical drives, RAM, etc.

Not disagreeing with you...but the fact is My Mac is safer.

I do agree with you Jay, Mac's are safer. But its not because the OS is zipped up and air tight like some Mac users want people to believe. Its just not worth the virus authors time.

Dave

[scavenger]

Not to mention that when MAC's break down you cant just hop on the net and get replacement parts that will work.

That's not completely true, Apple will not sell people parts for their laptops, nor will they allow service centers to repair their laptops. If a mac laptop breaks it goes back to the factory air-mail for a refurb.

The only way you can get laptop parts is on places like eBay, and even then it can be a very hit or miss (and very overpriced). Mac laptops are frequently worth more in parts than as full units.

I think you misread that Sarah. I said you cant just hop on the net and get replacement parts that will work.

When a Mac breaks down, the owners are almost always shit out of luck.

Dave

[SarahG]

Not to mention that when MAC's break down you cant just hop on the net and get replacement parts that will work.

That's not completely true, Apple will not sell people parts for their laptops, nor will they allow service centers to repair their laptops. If a mac laptop breaks it goes back to the factory air-mail for a refurb.

The only way you can get laptop parts is on places like eBay, and even then it can be a very hit or miss (and very overpriced). Mac laptops are frequently worth more in parts than as full units.

I think you misread that Sarah. I said you cant just hop on the net and get replacement parts that will work.

When a Mac breaks down, the owners are almost always shit out of luck.

Dave

Ahh, you're right I did misread you.

For laptops you're right, but for desktops it kinda depends.

The logicboard & cpus are pretty much the only things you wouldn't be able to find generic replacements for- the ram, drives, cards, cables, powersupply would all work fine using PC parts.

So if your logic board dies or cpu dies, unless you can find it on ebay or the model is new enough to still order parts from Apple- there can be a problem.

Unless you have a tower (g4 powermac, mac pro, g5). It wouldn't be hard to just throw a totally different mother board in an empty mac tower, (in fact the towers have all been basically the same since the g5 pm came out) hell it could even be a pc motherboard.

[flabbybody]

OSX is fine if you're just doing graphic design on it, and not storing anything important. OSX server is probably the most insecure software released since Windows 95. OSX was the first to fall at this year's 'Pwn to own' security competition with a simple browser hijack that gave up root access in about 1.5mins.

If you handle credit cards, super sekrit client information or anything else use OpenBSD for your file server

this may as well be Chinese.
all I know is my dopey gf downloaded a few songs off limewire and I'm staring at a hopelessly disabled pc

[SarahG]

OSX is fine if you're just doing graphic design on it, and not storing anything important. OSX server is probably the most insecure software released since Windows 95. OSX was the first to fall at this year's 'Pwn to own' security competition with a simple browser hijack that gave up root access in about 1.5mins.

If you handle credit cards, super sekrit client information or anything else use OpenBSD for your file server

this may as well be Chinese.
all I know is my dopey gf downloaded a few songs off limewire and I'm staring at a hopelessly disabled pc

Hopelessly disabled? It won't even boot?

[flabbybody]

it boots when its in the mood.

[SarahG]

it boots when its in the mood.

Then the next time you get it booted up, back up all your important data (pictures, movies, music, bookmarks, files etc). Easiest way to do that is to get a cheap external hard drive.

Then reinstall the OS. You still have your windows installer cd right?

[lorddigitalhighfixer]

all I know is my dopey gf downloaded a few songs off limewire and I'm staring at a hopelessly disabled pc

Piracy Hierarchy

Topsites
Newsgroup binaries
Private torrent trackers
Public torrent trackers
Rapidshare/sharebee ect.
Limewire/P2P


... at least use the pirate bay for song downloads. Downloading off Limewire is akin to walking into the CDC and juggling the ebola and smallpox samples while wearing a bathing suit for protection.

[flabbybody]

don't have the reinstall cd but my buddy says he doesn't need it to reinstall OS. is that possible?

and I wish I had known about limewire

[SarahG]

don't have the reinstall cd but my buddy says he doesn't need it to reinstall OS. is that possible?

and I wish I had known about limewire

There are ways to "clone" an OS install onto another machine, perhaps that's what he meant?

[daleach]

10.4.11 in da house.

[lorddigitalhighfixer]

due to hegemonic global software regime charging enormous licensing fees for even the shittiest of XP home editions manufacturers can't give out full install cds anymore so you likely have a restore partition, and a shitty 'rescue' disc somewhere. find a torrent site and:

install VMware server
click on choose new virtual machine
install OSX, Windows 7, any linux/bsd distro and XP for games
switch your o/s on the fly by pressing Ctl+Alt
???
profit

[Solitary Brother]

I am a BIG TIME mac guy.
I have owned 8 apple computers starting with the G3 Powermac.
I currently own an EMAC ONLY because I had to sell my Imac 24 to fund my
very expensive EVERLAST boxing unit.
I am looking to get another laptop.
I mainly run Logic 8 and Live on my computer.

Observation:
If you deciding between an laptop or an Imac .....get the laptop!

[Solitary Brother]

More pics

[imwithstupid]

To all those who says Leopard cant have hacked themes like Windows can are just talking out of their ass


Heres my hacked Macbook 10.5.7 with Aqua Inspirat

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y172/dadeef/desktop.jpg

[youcancallmeclaire]

I have been running a Dual 1.42ghz MDD FW800 Powermac G4 for about six years now and have had very very few hassles and issues with it.

I do use PC's a lot (at school and for gaming), but the quality and engineering differences between OSX and Windows are like comparing Apples to rotten oranges.

It serves my 275gb music collection, over a TB of additional video and image storage, Photoshop and music production needs with no problems- and this is on a machine that is six years old.

This thing is my baby. <3

[youcancallmeclaire]

Oh... and I am a pretty avid collector of vintage Mac gear, too. I have a Classic, IIsi, 7600/132, beige Powermac G3 w/450mhz proc, Performa 6400/200, Powerbook 520c(2), 6110cd, iMac G3/500, and a super-sweet Newton PDA mini-keyboard. ^_^

Although my recent ventures into minimalism dictate that I should be downsizing my material possessions...

Any fanatics in the PA tristate want some vintage Mac gear? PM me!

[jaycanuck]

Oh... and I am a pretty avid collector of vintage Mac gear, too. I have a Classic, IIsi, 7600/132, beige Powermac G3 w/450mhz proc, Performa 6400/200, Powerbook 520c(2), 6110cd, iMac G3/500, and a super-sweet Newton PDA mini-keyboard. ^_^

Although my recent ventures into minimalism dictate that I should be downsizing my material possessions...

Any fanatics in the PA tristate want some vintage Mac gear? PM me!

Holy shit Claire. That kicks ass! Love the lineup. I thik I used a couple of those back in the day. I thought about getting an old machine and hosting some stuff on it...but y'know....too busy.

+million on the Newton. ;)

[Lover]

Every computer I've ever owned has been a Mac. My current system includes a Mac Mini, both the wired and wireless versions of the Apple aluminum keyboard, and a Samsung 22-inch LCD monitor. Yesterday I installed the free update to system 10.5.7.

[jaycanuck]

I'm thinking of going back to desktop after about 5 years of carrying a laptop around. I'll keep my laptop as a mobile work computer..but I want the big screen real estate again.

[DL_NL]

Hey, another vintage Mac collector... I actually have a working 512K Mac ('Fat Mac') and a Mac Portable. And about 25 other machines, mostly complete and working.

[SarahG]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10263002-83.html


Two new Mac attacks surface
by Elinor Mills

This is the message visitors to the porn site get which tricks them into installing an ActiveX object to watch a video but instead downloads a Trojan. This screenshot shows a Windows machine, but the malware targets Macs too.
(Credit: Paretologic)

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20090611/MacAttack.png

Security experts have discovered two new attacks targeting Mac users, a new version of a worm and a Trojan hidden inside a porn site.

Sophos on Wednesday discovered a new version of the Mac OS X Tored worm, according to a Sophos blog post.

On Tuesday, Paretologic warned about a porn site that was downloading malware that targets both the PC and the Mac. Mac users get redirected to the pagemac.php page, which downloads a QuickTime.dmg file, the blog post says.

Sophos explained in blog post on Thursday that visitors to the malicious porn site are told they have to download an ActiveX component to view the videos. Instead, a Trojan, dubbed OSX/Jahlavc, gets downloaded.

"As we've demonstrated before, and as we'll no doubt explain again, the Mac malware threat is real," writes Sophos security researcher Graham Cluley. "Hackers are deliberately planting malicious code on Web sites, and using social engineering tricks to fool you into installing it onto your computer."

An Apple spokesperson did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

[LuciaMiel]

Gross. My last apple was an Apple][e in the mid 80s.
The only beef I have with apple is how cool people think they are for it when they don't know what they're talking about. If they were really a computer freak they'd have some type of custom rig, a hacked number like Astrid and not alteratrendy yuppie shit that sells cause it's built into pretty hardware.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

Gross. My last apple was an Apple][e in the mid 80s.
The only beef I have with apple is how cool people think they are for it when they don't know what they're talking about. If they were really a computer freak they'd have some type of custom rig, a hacked number like Astrid and not alteratrendy yuppie shit that sells cause it's built into pretty hardware.

name names

[DL_NL]

I'm not a computer freak, quite the opposite really. I love the way Apple makes quality hardware and software with a really consistent quality instead of pushing out cheapo crap assembled somewhere in a cheap 'n' fugly casing.

I've been using Macs professionally and privately since 1985, guess I'm hooked.

Oh yeah, I have a Windows laptop and have had PCs in the past so I know what I'm comparing their stuff to.