HIV cured with stem cell transplant

[phobun]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/02/11/health.hiv.stemcell/

The guy had HIV, then got leukemia for which he had a transplant from someone with a particular mutation that prevents HIV from entering the lymphocyte. Now he has no detectable virus.

Holy crap what will worthy2 say?

[Nowhere]

Given that I read up on genetics, I heard about this before.

That CCR5 mutation is pretty handy, isn't it?

Still, the transplants are pretty extreme. I don't know if this could become a standard treatment for it. What I do see is that when people start being able to pick genes for their kids, that the CCR5 mutation will become standard for everyone doing it.

[chefmike]

Let's just be thankful that we elected a president who won't obstruct stem cell research.

[Justawannabe]

I'm thrilled we have more money available for this kind of research.

We just had a huge discussion in the family about whether folks should be able to selectively adjust their genetics to remove diseases. I spent most of it with my mouth hanging open as folks objected to stealing God's prerogative, throwing money away of genetic defectives (with my diabetic mom sitting in the room) that will only hurt humanity and tax payers money being spent to defy Nature's will.

I was just standing there like 'HOLY Crap... I'm related to these folks?!'

We stand a chance of eradicating genetic disease in a few lifetimes... and folks are mad that we might want to do that?

Sean

[chefmike]

I'm thrilled we have more money available for this kind of research.

We just had a huge discussion in the family about whether folks should be able to selectively adjust their genetics to remove diseases. I spent most of it with my mouth hanging open as folks objected to stealing God's prerogative, throwing money away of genetic defectives (with my diabetic mom sitting in the room) that will only hurt humanity and tax payers money being spent to defy Nature's will.

I was just standing there like 'HOLY Crap... I'm related to these folks?!'

We stand a chance of eradicating genetic disease in a few lifetimes... and folks are mad that we might want to do that?

Sean

I know what you mean...and the misguided folks who voted for McSame and the caribou queen were gambling with their own(and their loved ones) mortality without even knowing it...

[addicted]

The hiv test is a fraud how did they find something that was never there. There have been cases of patients testing postive for the flu, right there shows its flawed. Have some common sense in this matter.

[LBCDO]

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[trish]

The hiv test is a fraud how did they find something that was never there. There have been cases of patients testing postive for the flu, right there shows its flawed. Have some common sense in this matter.

There's a difference between testing for diagnostic purposes and isolation of disease elements for the purposes of research. HIV has been found to be the key causative agent in AIDS. But diagnostic tests for AIDS do not attempt to directly detect the the virus in your bloodstream.

Preliminary tests for all sorts of diseases will often attempt to detect hormones, antigens or chemicals in the bloodstream that only correlate with the disease. Tests are designed this way because they’re cheaper than testing for the disease directly. A positive result on a test for a disease only means you have a certain probability of actually having the disease. There was once one popular test for tuberculosis for which a positive meant you had a 40% chance of being tubercular (that’s less than half a chance). The test was very cheap. So you could have the test done two or three times. If you tested positive twice, the probability of being tubercular went up to 64%. Three positives correspond to 78%.

I'm not sure what you're getting at in your reference to testing positive to flu? If you mean sometimes a person who doesn't have flu nevertheless tests positively for it, sure. If you mean that having flu can increase your probability of testing positive for AIDS, I can't verify that but it is in principle possible. But so what? The purpose of a diagnostic test is for diagnosis, not for the advancement of medical knowledge.

The CCR5 mutation is a wonderful advancement. Thanks for spreading the news phobun.

[BrendaQG]

I have heard of instances like this before over 10 years ago now. This is not something that will ever become standard treatment. It would be nice if it worked for everyone.

[lahabra1976]

The hiv test is a fraud how did they find something that was never there. There have been cases of patients testing postive for the flu, right there shows its flawed. Have some common sense in this matter.

Is this worthy2 btw?

[chefmike]

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|____ WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

He has no clue what he's talking about. Actually he's never given anyone at HA any reason to believe that he has EVER known what he's talking about. Addicted,(who called himself worthy2 before being banned under that moniker) is an obnoxious troll with a room temp IQ who has already been tarred and feathered in two other threads when he spouted his BS on the subject of HIV.

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=37452&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=42040&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[chefmike]

The hiv test is a fraud how did they find something that was never there. There have been cases of patients testing postive for the flu, right there shows its flawed. Have some common sense in this matter.

Is this worthy2 btw?

Yup.

Before the little shit stain was banned.

Then the filthy little bugger slithered back as addicted.

Dumb as ever.

Now there's a shocker.

[addicted]

chefmike, You are truly the most obsessed loser this site has EVER seen. You have put so much effort into your crusade to try and ban and I am still here you lowlife worthless asshole.

What have you done to prove hiv does exist a little google search? You have proved nothing except for being a sheep and a follower. You go by everything mainstream medicine and politics tells you to believe. You are a programmed robot who is told how to think and how to live.

enjoy your worthless life loser.

http://garynull.com/GNthisArticle.php?article=1

[trish]

Thanks, addicted, for the Gary Null, Your Guide to Natural Living, Penthouse article on AIDS. It's always good to know there's publishers out there like Penthouse willing to go to the edge.

Here's what the CDC thinks about the causes of AIDS

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/qa36.htm

And the MayoClinic

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hiv-aids/DS00005/DSECTION=causes

And John Hopkins

http://www.hopkins-aids.edu/

And the National Institute for Heath

http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/topics/HIVAIDS/Understanding/howhiv.htm

[chefmike]

Thanks, addicted, for the Gary Null, Your Guide to Natural Living penthouse article on AIDS. It's always good to know there's publishers out there like penthouse willing to go to the edge.

Here's what the CDC thinks about the causes of AIDS

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/qa36.htm

And the MayoClinic

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hiv-aids/DS00005/DSECTION=causes

And John Hopkins

http://www.hopkins-aids.edu/

And the National Institute for Heath

http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/topics/HIVAIDS/Understanding/howhiv.htm

LMAO...waits for his tiny brain to make an attempt at a semi-coherent and somewhat rational response...nah...never gonna happen...

[addicted]

Thanks, addicted, for the Gary Null, Your Guide to Natural Living, Penthouse article on AIDS. It's always good to know there's publishers out there like Penthouse willing to go to the edge.

Here's what the CDC thinks about the causes of AIDS

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/qa36.htm

And the MayoClinic

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hiv-aids/DS00005/DSECTION=causes

And John Hopkins

http://www.hopkins-aids.edu/

And the National Institute for Heath

http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/topics/HIVAIDS/Understanding/howhiv.htm

Glad to see you follow the mainstream who making a living on killing innocent people. its a proven fact mainstream science has done nothing to treat anyone with full blown aids while gary null has brought people with full blown back to life. Its all about money with corrupt people stealing and could care less how many people die. I could care less about those links, they are meaningless at this point. Dont put any links from mainstream science because they are 30 years behind.

[addicted]

Thanks, addicted, for the Gary Null, Your Guide to Natural Living penthouse article on AIDS. It's always good to know there's publishers out there like penthouse willing to go to the edge.

Here's what the CDC thinks about the causes of AIDS

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/qa36.htm

And the MayoClinic

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hiv-aids/DS00005/DSECTION=causes

And John Hopkins

http://www.hopkins-aids.edu/

And the National Institute for Heath

http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/topics/HIVAIDS/Understanding/howhiv.htm

LMAO...waits for his tiny brain to make an attempt at a semi-coherent and somewhat rational response...nah...never gonna happen...

Did your political gods tell you to think like that? Be a good little boy and listen to what they say. You fucking tool. Chefmike your living in the ice age. I am so far ahead of you on this subject it will take you a lifetime to catch up to me.

Stick with what you know best and thats being a yes man for the corrupt political duoply.

[lahabra1976]

Will I got to admit you have some classic responses addicted/worthy. I mean wow...

Do you still believe the earth is flat btw? Just curious.

[trish]

Dont put any links from mainstream science because they are 30 years behind.

Did I mention that was an April

1995

Penthouse article?
(Can anyone post the centerfold from that one?)

[chefmike]

Dont put any links from mainstream science because they are 30 years behind.

Did I mention that was an April

1995

Penthouse article?
(Can anyone post the centerfold from that one?)

Dammit trish, he's in the process of earning his GED...never mind how many years it's taking him...how do you expect your puny college-educated intellect to be a match for his razor sharp yet room temp IQ? I mean really...

[Danielle Foxx]

The best part about this is that "Kimber James new Tits" has now close to 5000 hits and this close to 300...

Wowzer!

[chefmike]

Will I got to admit you have some classic responses addicted/worthy. I mean wow...

Do you still believe the earth is flat btw? Just curious.

Don't confuse him...that's all he has to say about that... :lol:

[tsbrenda]

Can a Bone-Marrow Transplant Halt HIV?



By Eben Harrell / London Thursday, Nov. 13, 2008Bone-marrow cell
MedicalRF.com / Getty


http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1858843,00.html


The human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) is a pathogen so wily and protean that researchers rarely talk about curing infected patients, focusing instead on treatment and prevention. But in an announcement that caused a flutter of excitement and a wave of prudent skepticism, Berlin-based hematologist Gero Huetter claimed on Thursday that he has cured an HIV infection in a 42-year-old man through a bone-marrow transplant.



The patient, a U.S. citizen living in Germany, was suffering from advanced leukemia and HIV two years ago when Huetter treated the cancer with a bone-marrow transplant at Berlin's Charité hospital. As a side experiment, he inserted the bone marrow of a donor naturally resistant to HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. (Researchers have long known that about 1% of Europeans carry a genetic mutation that makes their cells resistant to HIV infection.) Bone marrow produces the cells that HIV attacks. So, the thinking went, inserting marrow that produces HIV-resistant cells might endow the patient with a means to repel the infection. Twenty months after the transplant, Huetter says, the man shows no signs of carrying the virus. (See stories of people surviving with HIV.)



http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1858843,00.html

[lahabra1976]

lol

[addicted]

Dont put any links from mainstream science because they are 30 years behind.

Did I mention that was an April

1995

Penthouse article?
(Can anyone post the centerfold from that one?)and maybe in

Thats 14 years ago this was known and maybe in 40 years chefmike will catch on.

[addicted]

Will I got to admit you have some classic responses addicted/worthy. I mean wow...

Do you still believe the earth is flat btw? Just curious.

Don't confuse him...that's all he has to say about that... :lol:


Motherfucker you can go to school for 30 years and you still would be a dumb fuck.

[trish]

Maybe in another fourteen years, Mr. Gary Null will have his results replicated in clinical trials and have his theory published in a peer reviewed journal.

In the meantime: Everyone out there should know that AIDS is a contagious STD. The agent of contagion is the HIV virus which resides in the blood and fluids of infected persons. Please practice safe sex. Use condoms. If you think you might have been exposed, have yourself tested. See a REAL doctor.

[lupinIII]

Brutal, so all you need to do to get rid of HIV/AIDS is to develop a cancer of the immune system, and get a transplant from someone who's got the CCR5 mutation.

I think prevention's still the best cure.

[addicted]

Maybe in another fourteen years, Mr. Gary Null will have his results replicated in clinical trials and have his theory published in a peer reviewed journal.

In the meantime: Everyone out there should know that AIDS is a contagious STD. The agent of contagion is the HIV virus which resides in the blood and fluids of infected persons. Please practice safe sex. Use condoms. If you think you might have been exposed, have yourself tested. See a REAL doctor.

Making foolish claims that I have been exposed is part of a losing arguement. Your not in any posistion to make any claims that hiv exists. Do some research on progressive approaches because the mainstream has failed.

[addicted]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7lw8G4PMKQ

aids fraud conference, if you dont watch it your an asshole.

[trish]

addicted wrote:
Making foolish claims that I have been exposed...

Where have I claimed this? Do you feel exposed? Why?

[addicted]

addicted wrote:
Making foolish claims that I have been exposed...

Where have I claimed this? Do you feel exposed? Why?

Watch the conference and stop being so narrow minded. Gary Null is the truth.

[lupinIII]

Addicted, I knew you were an idiot before but 2 of your last 3 posts just edged you into mentally handicapped territory.


In the meantime: Everyone out there should know that AIDS is a contagious STD. The agent of contagion is the HIV virus which resides in the blood and fluids of infected persons. Please practice safe sex. Use condoms. If you think you might have been exposed, have yourself tested. See a REAL doctor.

She was stating that one who suspects exposure to HIV should be tested.

We don't need to imply anything about exposing your idiocy, you've already done a bang-up job of outright highlighting it in your outdated viewpoints, rudeness, and general lack of any redeeming features.

[dan_yearsgone83]

The best part about this is that "Kimber James new Tits" has now close to 5000 hits and this close to 300...

Wowzer!

The under 18's on this board clearly prefer massive mammaries to a miracle cure. :?

[trish]

addicted, have I made any claims against you? I thanked you for posting your link and posted a few of my own. Even though my links were current, you claimed their content was 30 years behind the times. I was kind enough to note that your article (the one publish by Penthouse) was only 14 years old. I wouldn't have known that had I not clicked on the link and read it. I watched the vid too.

I even indicated I was open to the possibility that Gary Null might someday have his results replicated in clinical trials and have his theory published in a peer reviewed journal.

But until he accomplishes that most minimal requirement, a small obstacle that all scientists are expected to hurtle, I think in the interest of public safety, all people should operate under the hypothesis that AIDS is a contagious STD. The agent of contagion is the HIV virus which resides in the blood and fluids of infected persons. Everyone, please practice safe sex. Use condoms. If anyone thinks they might have been exposed, they should have themselves tested and see a REAL doctor.

[addicted]

addicted, have I made any claims against you? I thanked you for posting your link and posted a few of my own. Even though my links were current, you claimed their content was 30 years behind the times. I was kind enough to note that your article (the one publish by Penthouse) was only 14 years old. I wouldn't have known that had I not clicked on the link and read it. I watched the vid too.

I even indicated I was open to the possibility that Gary Null might someday have his results replicated in clinical trials and have his theory published in a peer reviewed journal.

But until he accomplishes that most minimal requirement, a small obstacle that all scientists are expected to hurtle, I think in the interest of public safety, all people should operate under the hypothesis that AIDS is a contagious STD. The agent of contagion is the HIV virus which resides in the blood and fluids of infected persons. Everyone, please practice safe sex. Use condoms. If anyone thinks they might have been exposed, they should have themselves tested and see a REAL doctor.

Be reasonable and watch the aids fraud conference link on youtube. When done watching it over the next few days you dont have to comment on this board you can send me a PM what you really think.

[addicted]

addicted, have I made any claims against you? I thanked you for posting your link and posted a few of my own. Even though my links were current, you claimed their content was 30 years behind the times. I was kind enough to note that your article (the one publish by Penthouse) was only 14 years old. I wouldn't have known that had I not clicked on the link and read it. I watched the vid too.

I even indicated I was open to the possibility that Gary Null might someday have his results replicated in clinical trials and have his theory published in a peer reviewed journal.

But until he accomplishes that most minimal requirement, a small obstacle that all scientists are expected to hurtle, I think in the interest of public safety, all people should operate under the hypothesis that AIDS is a contagious STD. The agent of contagion is the HIV virus which resides in the blood and fluids of infected persons. Everyone, please practice safe sex. Use condoms. If anyone thinks they might have been exposed, they should have themselves tested and see a REAL doctor.

Wrong dont mislead people and send them to their death bed. The HIV test is 100 percent bogus and is junk science. The aids fraud conference exposes the hiv aids myth.

[natina]

how long have these studies been going on?


http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1858843,00.html



Can a Bone-Marrow Transplant Halt HIV?



By Eben Harrell / London Thursday, Nov. 13, 2008Bone-marrow cell
MedicalRF.com / Getty


http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1858843,00.html


The human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) is a pathogen so wily and protean that researchers rarely talk about curing infected patients, focusing instead on treatment and prevention. But in an announcement that caused a flutter of excitement and a wave of prudent skepticism, Berlin-based hematologist Gero Huetter claimed on Thursday that he has cured an HIV infection in a 42-year-old man through a bone-marrow transplant.



The patient, a U.S. citizen living in Germany, was suffering from advanced leukemia and HIV two years ago when Huetter treated the cancer with a bone-marrow transplant at Berlin's Charité hospital. As a side experiment, he inserted the bone marrow of a donor naturally resistant to HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. (Researchers have long known that about 1% of Europeans carry a genetic mutation that makes their cells resistant to HIV infection.) Bone marrow produces the cells that HIV attacks. So, the thinking went, inserting marrow that produces HIV-resistant cells might endow the patient with a means to repel the infection. Twenty months after the transplant, Huetter says, the man shows no signs of carrying the virus. (See stories of people surviving with HIV.)



http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1858843,00.html

[GinX]

addicted, have I made any claims against you? I thanked you for posting your link and posted a few of my own. Even though my links were current, you claimed their content was 30 years behind the times. I was kind enough to note that your article (the one publish by Penthouse) was only 14 years old. I wouldn't have known that had I not clicked on the link and read it. I watched the vid too.

I even indicated I was open to the possibility that Gary Null might someday have his results replicated in clinical trials and have his theory published in a peer reviewed journal.

But until he accomplishes that most minimal requirement, a small obstacle that all scientists are expected to hurtle, I think in the interest of public safety, all people should operate under the hypothesis that AIDS is a contagious STD. The agent of contagion is the HIV virus which resides in the blood and fluids of infected persons. Everyone, please practice safe sex. Use condoms. If anyone thinks they might have been exposed, they should have themselves tested and see a REAL doctor.

Be reasonable and watch the aids fraud conference link on youtube. When done watching it over the next few days you dont have to comment on this board you can send me a PM what you really think.


Do you understand how absurd your position is? Do you understand that if HIV was a hoax, then the whole of nearly Earth's entire medical community would have to be in on it? Do you understand how much evidence and data would have to be not only purposely misinterpreted, but blatantly falsified and created? The amount of monitoring and control that would have to be implemented in order to maintain this illusion would have to be iron clad with virtually no probability of information leakage...it's not just unrealistic, it is logistically impossible.

However, for argument's sake, let's say HIV is a hoax. What would be the purpose of it? To make pharmaceutical companies richer? To further government involvement in the private sector, thus increasing it's control? Making people think there is some deadly and incurable disease out there, which then allows "them" to further institute social and cultural controls? Unless there is some plan to eventually unleash a massive "HIV epidemic", which would force government to suspend Constitutional government for the sake of survival, then there's absolutely no payoff to this hoax. If the HIV hoax is simply about growing economic and political power, there are dozens of surer and less risky methods of doing so; if it's about fostering particular social and cultural controls, again, there are better-and more benign-methods.

Now, all that being said, has it ever occurred to you that maybe Gary Null, his followers and all of their "alternative medicine practices" are the ones pulling the hoax? That maybe they are the ones trying to increase their control or maybe just put a couple of bucks in their pockets? Making yourself look like a an upstanding, righteous crusader boldly taking on a vastly superior but immoral and evil power almost always guarantees that some people are going to flock to you; after all, we love the underdog...and if we're going to be realistic, as you claim you want others to be, then you are going to have to 'fess up and admit that while there are many people who will blithely and blindly swallow whatever Kool-Aid mainstream media gives them, there are just as many people blindly and blithely swallowing the Kool-Aid of those self-proclaimed opponents of the mainstream who claim to know "what's REALLY going on".

[trish]

Nicely said, GinX. Bravo.

[lahabra1976]

addicted, have I made any claims against you? I thanked you for posting your link and posted a few of my own. Even though my links were current, you claimed their content was 30 years behind the times. I was kind enough to note that your article (the one publish by Penthouse) was only 14 years old. I wouldn't have known that had I not clicked on the link and read it. I watched the vid too.

I even indicated I was open to the possibility that Gary Null might someday have his results replicated in clinical trials and have his theory published in a peer reviewed journal.

But until he accomplishes that most minimal requirement, a small obstacle that all scientists are expected to hurtle, I think in the interest of public safety, all people should operate under the hypothesis that AIDS is a contagious STD. The agent of contagion is the HIV virus which resides in the blood and fluids of infected persons. Everyone, please practice safe sex. Use condoms. If anyone thinks they might have been exposed, they should have themselves tested and see a REAL doctor.

Wrong dont mislead people and send them to their death bed. The HIV test is 100 percent bogus and is junk science. The aids fraud conference exposes the hiv aids myth.

How does practicing safe sex send you to your death bed? I mean perhaps wearing a condom may lessen the pleasure, but hey is nothing to die over?

[lahabra1976]

addicted, have I made any claims against you? I thanked you for posting your link and posted a few of my own. Even though my links were current, you claimed their content was 30 years behind the times. I was kind enough to note that your article (the one publish by Penthouse) was only 14 years old. I wouldn't have known that had I not clicked on the link and read it. I watched the vid too.

I even indicated I was open to the possibility that Gary Null might someday have his results replicated in clinical trials and have his theory published in a peer reviewed journal.

But until he accomplishes that most minimal requirement, a small obstacle that all scientists are expected to hurtle, I think in the interest of public safety, all people should operate under the hypothesis that AIDS is a contagious STD. The agent of contagion is the HIV virus which resides in the blood and fluids of infected persons. Everyone, please practice safe sex. Use condoms. If anyone thinks they might have been exposed, they should have themselves tested and see a REAL doctor.

Be reasonable and watch the aids fraud conference link on youtube. When done watching it over the next few days you dont have to comment on this board you can send me a PM what you really think.


Do you understand how absurd your position is? Do you understand that if HIV was a hoax, then the whole of nearly Earth's entire medical community would have to be in on it? Do you understand how much evidence and data would have to be not only purposely misinterpreted, but blatantly falsified and created? The amount of monitoring and control that would have to be implemented in order to maintain this illusion would have to be iron clad with virtually no probability of information leakage...it's not just unrealistic, it is logistically impossible.

However, for argument's sake, let's say HIV is a hoax. What would be the purpose of it? To make pharmaceutical companies richer? To further government involvement in the private sector, thus increasing it's control? Making people think there is some deadly and incurable disease out there, which then allows "them" to further institute social and cultural controls? Unless there is some plan to eventually unleash a massive "HIV epidemic", which would force government to suspend Constitutional government for the sake of survival, then there's absolutely no payoff to this hoax. If the HIV hoax is simply about growing economic and political power, there are dozens of surer and less risky methods of doing so; if it's about fostering particular social and cultural controls, again, there are better-and more benign-methods.

Now, all that being said, has it ever occurred to you that maybe Gary Null, his followers and all of their "alternative medicine practices" are the ones pulling the hoax? That maybe they are the ones trying to increase their control or maybe just put a couple of bucks in their pockets? Making yourself look like a an upstanding, righteous crusader boldly taking on a vastly superior but immoral and evil power almost always guarantees that some people are going to flock to you; after all, we love the underdog...and if we're going to be realistic, as you claim you want others to be, then you are going to have to 'fess up and admit that while there are many people who will blithely and blindly swallow whatever Kool-Aid mainstream media gives them, there are just as many people blindly and blithely swallowing the Kool-Aid of those self-proclaimed opponents of the mainstream who claim to know "what's REALLY going on".

Don't also forget that according to South Park, 1 in 4 people are r'tards (thats the 911 consipiracy episode). So of course some people will follow these "what really going on" ideas.

[addicted]

addicted, have I made any claims against you? I thanked you for posting your link and posted a few of my own. Even though my links were current, you claimed their content was 30 years behind the times. I was kind enough to note that your article (the one publish by Penthouse) was only 14 years old. I wouldn't have known that had I not clicked on the link and read it. I watched the vid too.

I even indicated I was open to the possibility that Gary Null might someday have his results replicated in clinical trials and have his theory published in a peer reviewed journal.

But until he accomplishes that most minimal requirement, a small obstacle that all scientists are expected to hurtle, I think in the interest of public safety, all people should operate under the hypothesis that AIDS is a contagious STD. The agent of contagion is the HIV virus which resides in the blood and fluids of infected persons. Everyone, please practice safe sex. Use condoms. If anyone thinks they might have been exposed, they should have themselves tested and see a REAL doctor.

Be reasonable and watch the aids fraud conference link on youtube. When done watching it over the next few days you dont have to comment on this board you can send me a PM what you really think.


Do you understand how absurd your position is? Do you understand that if HIV was a hoax, then the whole of nearly Earth's entire medical community would have to be in on it? Do you understand how much evidence and data would have to be not only purposely misinterpreted, but blatantly falsified and created? The amount of monitoring and control that would have to be implemented in order to maintain this illusion would have to be iron clad with virtually no probability of information leakage...it's not just unrealistic, it is logistically impossible.

However, for argument's sake, let's say HIV is a hoax. What would be the purpose of it? To make pharmaceutical companies richer? To further government involvement in the private sector, thus increasing it's control? Making people think there is some deadly and incurable disease out there, which then allows "them" to further institute social and cultural controls? Unless there is some plan to eventually unleash a massive "HIV epidemic", which would force government to suspend Constitutional government for the sake of survival, then there's absolutely no payoff to this hoax. If the HIV hoax is simply about growing economic and political power, there are dozens of surer and less risky methods of doing so; if it's about fostering particular social and cultural controls, again, there are better-and more benign-methods.

Now, all that being said, has it ever occurred to you that maybe Gary Null, his followers and all of their "alternative medicine practices" are the ones pulling the hoax? That maybe they are the ones trying to increase their control or maybe just put a couple of bucks in their pockets? Making yourself look like a an upstanding, righteous crusader boldly taking on a vastly superior but immoral and evil power almost always guarantees that some people are going to flock to you; after all, we love the underdog...and if we're going to be realistic, as you claim you want others to be, then you are going to have to 'fess up and admit that while there are many people who will blithely and blindly swallow whatever Kool-Aid mainstream media gives them, there are just as many people blindly and blithely swallowing the Kool-Aid of those self-proclaimed opponents of the mainstream who claim to know "what's REALLY going on".

You dont even have a clue whats going on here. Go watch the link for the aids fraud conference and get an understanding before you write such ignorant nonsense. The word hoax was never used and why you used it your thread made no sense. Misled should be the word but instead people like take a post switch it around any way they can to justify your posistion.

[addicted]

addicted, have I made any claims against you? I thanked you for posting your link and posted a few of my own. Even though my links were current, you claimed their content was 30 years behind the times. I was kind enough to note that your article (the one publish by Penthouse) was only 14 years old. I wouldn't have known that had I not clicked on the link and read it. I watched the vid too.

I even indicated I was open to the possibility that Gary Null might someday have his results replicated in clinical trials and have his theory published in a peer reviewed journal.

But until he accomplishes that most minimal requirement, a small obstacle that all scientists are expected to hurtle, I think in the interest of public safety, all people should operate under the hypothesis that AIDS is a contagious STD. The agent of contagion is the HIV virus which resides in the blood and fluids of infected persons. Everyone, please practice safe sex. Use condoms. If anyone thinks they might have been exposed, they should have themselves tested and see a REAL doctor.

Wrong dont mislead people and send them to their death bed. The HIV test is 100 percent bogus and is junk science. The aids fraud conference exposes the hiv aids myth.

How does practicing safe sex send you to your death bed? I mean perhaps wearing a condom may lessen the pleasure, but hey is nothing to die over?

Get a clue then learn how to read then learn how to comprehend a post. Also think before you write such nonsense. The death bed is the the hiv test when you get a false posistive and your puppet doctor gives you azt which has wound up killing many. I dont you dont care that people are dieing because you dont see it. This is reality not showbiz medicine, there are many people suffering because of mainstream medicines ignorance.

[addicted]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMLUfXgktQ4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBRuzQQ2lIA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gobP4z4kiII

tony brown journal with gary null

what do you empty headed skeptics have to say about this?

[chefmike]

There you are!

I was wondering where you slithered off to, you mildly(?) retarded recidivist you!

Have you forgotten about the fan thread that you started about me over in politics, squirrel bait?
http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=42192&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Or did you just run away?

Pssst...that's what they call a rhetorical question, shortbus.

[phobun]

The best part about this is that "Kimber James new Tits" has now close to 5000 hits and this close to 300...

Wowzer!
If it had been about post-ops it would have 30 hits and all of them would have been from about 2 of us.

[phobun]

addicted, have I made any claims against you? I thanked you for posting your link and posted a few of my own. Even though my links were current, you claimed their content was 30 years behind the times. I was kind enough to note that your article (the one publish by Penthouse) was only 14 years old. I wouldn't have known that had I not clicked on the link and read it. I watched the vid too.

I even indicated I was open to the possibility that Gary Null might someday have his results replicated in clinical trials and have his theory published in a peer reviewed journal.

But until he accomplishes that most minimal requirement, a small obstacle that all scientists are expected to hurtle, I think in the interest of public safety, all people should operate under the hypothesis that AIDS is a contagious STD. The agent of contagion is the HIV virus which resides in the blood and fluids of infected persons. Everyone, please practice safe sex. Use condoms. If anyone thinks they might have been exposed, they should have themselves tested and see a REAL doctor.

Wrong dont mislead people and send them to their death bed. The HIV test is 100 percent bogus and is junk science. The aids fraud conference exposes the hiv aids myth.

How does practicing safe sex send you to your death bed? I mean perhaps wearing a condom may lessen the pleasure, but hey is nothing to die over?

Get a clue then learn how to read then learn how to comprehend a post. Also think before you write such nonsense. The death bed is the the hiv test when you get a false posistive and your puppet doctor gives you azt which has wound up killing many. I dont you dont care that people are dieing because you dont see it. This is reality not showbiz medicine, there are many people suffering because of mainstream medicines ignorance.
I bet somebody tried to give you a diagnosis of HIV once, right?
As they say, denial is not a river in Egypt.

[phobun]

There you are!

I was wondering where you slithered off to, you mildly(?) retarded recidivist you!

Have you forgotten about the fan thread that you started about me over in politics, squirrel bait?
http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=42192&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Or did you just run away?

Pssst...that's what they call a rhetorical question, shortbus.
Oh he's more than mildly retarded.
Denying the existence of HIV is not just stupid, it can also be hazardous to one's health.
I hope his T-cell count is not as low as his IQ.

[chefmike]

There you are!

I was wondering where you slithered off to, you mildly(?) retarded recidivist you!

Have you forgotten about the fan thread that you started about me over in politics, squirrel bait?
http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=42192&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Or did you just run away?

Pssst...that's what they call a rhetorical question, shortbus.
Oh he's more than mildly retarded.
Denying the existence of HIV is not just stupid, it can also be hazardous to one's health.
I hope his T-cell count is not as low as his IQ.He would be more than just brain dead then...

[phobun]

There you are!

I was wondering where you slithered off to, you mildly(?) retarded recidivist you!

Have you forgotten about the fan thread that you started about me over in politics, squirrel bait?
http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=42192&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Or did you just run away?

Pssst...that's what they call a rhetorical question, shortbus.
Oh he's more than mildly retarded.
Denying the existence of HIV is not just stupid, it can also be hazardous to one's health.
I hope his T-cell count is not as low as his IQ.He would be more than just brain dead then...
Well HIV does infect and kill nerves.
HIV dementia... maybe that's his problem.

[addicted]

There you are!

I was wondering where you slithered off to, you mildly(?) retarded recidivist you!

Have you forgotten about the fan thread that you started about me over in politics, squirrel bait?
http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=42192&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Or did you just run away?

Pssst...that's what they call a rhetorical question, shortbus.
Oh he's more than mildly retarded.
Denying the existence of HIV is not just stupid, it can also be hazardous to one's health.
I hope his T-cell count is not as low as his IQ.

Hey you 2 jackasses watch the tony brown journal you simpleton motherfuckers LOL

[phobun]

There you are!

I was wondering where you slithered off to, you mildly(?) retarded recidivist you!

Have you forgotten about the fan thread that you started about me over in politics, squirrel bait?
http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=42192&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Or did you just run away?

Pssst...that's what they call a rhetorical question, shortbus.
Oh he's more than mildly retarded.
Denying the existence of HIV is not just stupid, it can also be hazardous to one's health.
I hope his T-cell count is not as low as his IQ.

Hey you 2 jackasses watch the tony brown journal you simpleton motherfuckers LOL
You are obviously not in possession of all your faculties.
I wonder if your semi-coherent rambling is evidence of HIV dementia?

[chefmike]

There you are!

I was wondering where you slithered off to, you mildly(?) retarded recidivist you!

Have you forgotten about the fan thread that you started about me over in politics, squirrel bait?
http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=42192&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Or did you just run away?

Pssst...that's what they call a rhetorical question, shortbus.
Oh he's more than mildly retarded.
Denying the existence of HIV is not just stupid, it can also be hazardous to one's health.
I hope his T-cell count is not as low as his IQ.He would be more than just brain dead then...
Well HIV does infect and kill nerves.
HIV dementia... maybe that's his problem.Interesting theory....but then again his mommy or daddy may have dropped the annoying ittle troll on his pointed head when he was a child...or maybe sprinkled lead paint chips on his corn flakes...perhaps they made him wear asbestos undies...

[phobun]

There you are!

I was wondering where you slithered off to, you mildly(?) retarded recidivist you!

Have you forgotten about the fan thread that you started about me over in politics, squirrel bait?
http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=42192&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Or did you just run away?

Pssst...that's what they call a rhetorical question, shortbus.
Oh he's more than mildly retarded.
Denying the existence of HIV is not just stupid, it can also be hazardous to one's health.
I hope his T-cell count is not as low as his IQ.He would be more than just brain dead then...
Well HIV does infect and kill nerves.
HIV dementia... maybe that's his problem.Interesting theory....but then again his mommy or daddy may have dropped the annoying ittle troll on his pointed head when he was a child...or maybe sprinkled lead paint chips on his corn flakes...perhaps they made him wear asbestos undies...
Or maybe the tinfoil hat is too tight, or perhaps made of lead.

[Falrune]

Looks like the medical community is taking this case report as interesting, but with several problems. The strain of HIV did not use CCR5 as a coreceptor; so if the patient was "cured", there may be some other explanation. Second, there was good talk about the invasiveness of this type of procedure and that it would not be used to "treat HIV alone."

Finally, I find it interesting that 1-3% of Europeans have the delta 32 alteration. It would seem that calling it a "mutation" rather than an "allelic variation" is a bit biased. Somehow, a fairly high proportion of Europeans are getting along with an altered receptor... I wonder how delta 32 binds it's ligands (MIP-1α (CCL3), MIP-1β (CCL4), RANTES (CCL5), MCP-1(CCL2))...

[addicted]

I dont how anyone can have ANY TYPE OF CONFIDENCE in mainstream medicine with all its failures on the aids war.

[addicted]

There you are!

I was wondering where you slithered off to, you mildly(?) retarded recidivist you!

Have you forgotten about the fan thread that you started about me over in politics, squirrel bait?
http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=42192&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Or did you just run away?

Pssst...that's what they call a rhetorical question, shortbus.
Oh he's more than mildly retarded.
Denying the existence of HIV is not just stupid, it can also be hazardous to one's health.
I hope his T-cell count is not as low as his IQ.He would be more than just brain dead then...
Well HIV does infect and kill nerves.
HIV dementia... maybe that's his problem.Interesting theory....but then again his mommy or daddy may have dropped the annoying ittle troll on his pointed head when he was a child...or maybe sprinkled lead paint chips on his corn flakes...perhaps they made him wear asbestos undies...

Hey mr perfect jerkoff you spelled a word wrong. Make sure your little bitch phobun takes note of that. I guess your not that intelligent after all jerkoff.

have a good day jerkoff

[phobun]

I dont how anyone can have ANY TYPE OF CONFIDENCE in mainstream medicine with all its failures on the aids war.
Has mainstream medicine failed you in this regard? Or might the ultimate failure have been one of not wearing a condom?

[phobun]

Looks like the medical community is taking this case report as interesting, but with several problems. The strain of HIV did not use CCR5 as a coreceptor; so if the patient was "cured", there may be some other explanation. Second, there was good talk about the invasiveness of this type of procedure and that it would not be used to "treat HIV alone."

Finally, I find it interesting that 1-3% of Europeans have the delta 32 alteration. It would seem that calling it a "mutation" rather than an "allelic variation" is a bit biased. Somehow, a fairly high proportion of Europeans are getting along with an altered receptor... I wonder how delta 32 binds it's ligands (MIP-1α (CCL3), MIP-1β (CCL4), RANTES (CCL5), MCP-1(CCL2))...
Start with wikipedia, pedant. Then if you're really up for some self-love, go spank it at google scholar for a while. I bet if you try, you could answer your own questions.

[muhmuh]

Finally, I find it interesting that 1-3% of Europeans have the delta 32 alteration.

hm is anyone else thinking of a clever way to solve both aids and overpopulation in just one generation?

[Falrune]

Looks like the medical community is taking this case report as interesting, but with several problems. The strain of HIV did not use CCR5 as a coreceptor; so if the patient was "cured", there may be some other explanation. Second, there was good talk about the invasiveness of this type of procedure and that it would not be used to "treat HIV alone."

Finally, I find it interesting that 1-3% of Europeans have the delta 32 alteration. It would seem that calling it a "mutation" rather than an "allelic variation" is a bit biased. Somehow, a fairly high proportion of Europeans are getting along with an altered receptor... I wonder how delta 32 binds it's ligands (MIP-1α (CCL3), MIP-1β (CCL4), RANTES (CCL5), MCP-1(CCL2))...
Start with wikipedia, pedant. Then if you're really up for some self-love, go spank it at google scholar for a while. I bet if you try, you could answer your own questions.

Pedant? Was that really necessary in this discussion? I'm making several points. First, one seldom takes a case report as being more than just that. It was not a controlled study. Second, it was interesting that this strain of virus does not use CCR5. Third, it was fascinating that Europeans have a high proportion of delta 32. So, what is your problem with THAT?


ETA: And fourth, I was pointing out that CCR5 has a physiologic role, so it was of some interest to me as to how CCR5 with the delta 32 allele bind their natural ligands. How does 1-3% of the European population get along with this altered chemokine receptor? The first question that came to mind was whether or not the alteration affected the binding of natural ligands. (BTW: The Wiki search was a good idea.... delta32 allele results in a deletion ... Europeans apparently get along with redundancies in the chemokine system -- in most cases except West Nile virus)

[addicted]

I dont how anyone can have ANY TYPE OF CONFIDENCE in mainstream medicine with all its failures on the aids war.
Has mainstream medicine failed you in this regard? Or might the ultimate failure have been one of not wearing a condom?

Jackass, Mainstream has failed with the aids war, How many more body bags do you need to see?

Lets take 100 aids patients each for modern medicine vs holisitc alternative approaches and lets see at the end of the treatments in a few months which is better.

[phobun]

I dont how anyone can have ANY TYPE OF CONFIDENCE in mainstream medicine with all its failures on the aids war.
Has mainstream medicine failed you in this regard? Or might the ultimate failure have been one of not wearing a condom?

Jackass, Mainstream has failed with the aids war, How many more body bags do you need to see?

Lets take 100 aids patients each for modern medicine vs holisitc alternative approaches and lets see at the end of the treatments in a few months which is better.
How many body bags have you seen? Seriously, about zero? Perhaps some of your ex's have tragically succombed to lack of good nutrition, otherwise known as AIDS, but body bags? I suspect none.

You're a dim-witted tool who slobbers over a quack who sells get-well-quick schemes.

[addicted]

I dont how anyone can have ANY TYPE OF CONFIDENCE in mainstream medicine with all its failures on the aids war.
Has mainstream medicine failed you in this regard? Or might the ultimate failure have been one of not wearing a condom?

Jackass, Mainstream has failed with the aids war, How many more body bags do you need to see?

Lets take 100 aids patients each for modern medicine vs holisitc alternative approaches and lets see at the end of the treatments in a few months which is better.
How many body bags have you seen? Seriously, about zero? Perhaps some of your ex's have tragically succombed to lack of good nutrition, otherwise known as AIDS, but body bags? I suspect none.

You're a dim-witted tool who slobbers over a quack who sells get-well-quick schemes.

Are you really this fucking stupid or is this just an act to seek attention. Either way your an annoying piece of shit. People are suffering this is not a medical reality show or showbiz medicine.

[phobun]

I dont how anyone can have ANY TYPE OF CONFIDENCE in mainstream medicine with all its failures on the aids war.
Has mainstream medicine failed you in this regard? Or might the ultimate failure have been one of not wearing a condom?

Jackass, Mainstream has failed with the aids war, How many more body bags do you need to see?

Lets take 100 aids patients each for modern medicine vs holisitc alternative approaches and lets see at the end of the treatments in a few months which is better.
How many body bags have you seen? Seriously, about zero? Perhaps some of your ex's have tragically succombed to lack of good nutrition, otherwise known as AIDS, but body bags? I suspect none.

You're a dim-witted tool who slobbers over a quack who sells get-well-quick schemes.

Are you really this fucking stupid or is this just an act to seek attention. Either way your an annoying piece of shit. People are suffering this is not a medical reality show or showbiz medicine.
People suffer unnecessarily by listening to the sort of huckster quacks you favor. Those lame videos are all you have, and you cannot even articulate anything in support of your own position.

[addicted]

I dont how anyone can have ANY TYPE OF CONFIDENCE in mainstream medicine with all its failures on the aids war.
Has mainstream medicine failed you in this regard? Or might the ultimate failure have been one of not wearing a condom?

Jackass, Mainstream has failed with the aids war, How many more body bags do you need to see?

Lets take 100 aids patients each for modern medicine vs holisitc alternative approaches and lets see at the end of the treatments in a few months which is better.
How many body bags have you seen? Seriously, about zero? Perhaps some of your ex's have tragically succombed to lack of good nutrition, otherwise known as AIDS, but body bags? I suspect none.

You're a dim-witted tool who slobbers over a quack who sells get-well-quick schemes.

Are you really this fucking stupid or is this just an act to seek attention. Either way your an annoying piece of shit. People are suffering this is not a medical reality show or showbiz medicine.
People suffer unnecessarily by listening to the sort of huckster quacks you favor. Those lame videos are all you have, and you cannot even articulate anything in support of your own position.

The evidence is there jackass thats all I need. I dont have to please morons like you with written essays as if this was a classroom. I understand that a nerd like you is getting desperate in your attempts to belittle every fact I bring into the light. Part of a losing arguement is whining and bitching that someone cant spell or they are not intelligent.

[Falrune]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/02/11/health.hiv.stemcell/

The guy had HIV, then got leukemia for which he had a transplant from someone with a particular mutation that prevents HIV from entering the lymphocyte. Now he has no detectable virus.


Since the patient's strain of virus does not use CCR5 as a coreceptor (Therefore seemingly rendering the delta 32 allele to be irrelevant -- I'm guessing his strain of virus uses CXCR4), what is your best explanation for the decrease of virus to below detectable limits after the stem cell transplant?

Just curious.

[phobun]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/02/11/health.hiv.stemcell/

The guy had HIV, then got leukemia for which he had a transplant from someone with a particular mutation that prevents HIV from entering the lymphocyte. Now he has no detectable virus.


Since the patient's strain of virus does not use CCR5 as a coreceptor (Therefore seemingly rendering the delta 32 allele to be irrelevant -- I'm guessing his strain of virus uses CXCR4), what is your best explanation for the decrease of virus to below detectable limits after the stem cell transplant?

Just curious.
Where do you get your erroneous information? Just read the original article man. I was able to read it on one of the computers in the library at the local university.

[bte]

I read that Obama is going to lift the ban on funding for stem cell research, so that should open the door for new breakthroughs hopefully.

[chefmike]

Of course Obama isn't obstructing stem cell research. That's because he won. Sanity prevailed.




I'm thrilled we have more money available for this kind of research.

We just had a huge discussion in the family about whether folks should be able to selectively adjust their genetics to remove diseases. I spent most of it with my mouth hanging open as folks objected to stealing God's prerogative, throwing money away of genetic defectives (with my diabetic mom sitting in the room) that will only hurt humanity and tax payers money being spent to defy Nature's will.

I was just standing there like 'HOLY Crap... I'm related to these folks?!'

We stand a chance of eradicating genetic disease in a few lifetimes... and folks are mad that we might want to do that?

Sean

I know what you mean...and the misguided folks who voted for McSame and the caribou queen were gambling with their own(and their loved ones) mortality without even knowing it...

[trish]

Just a few links for those who are seriously interested in aids research:

http://www.liebertpub.com/products/product.aspx?pid=2

http://www.liebertpub.com/products/eboard.aspx?pid=2

http://www.aidsresearch.org/

http://www.oar.nih.gov/

http://www.aidsrestherapy.com/

If you value your life, stay away from Gary Null, his name is descriptive of his research __ null.

[GinX]

addicted, have I made any claims against you? I thanked you for posting your link and posted a few of my own. Even though my links were current, you claimed their content was 30 years behind the times. I was kind enough to note that your article (the one publish by Penthouse) was only 14 years old. I wouldn't have known that had I not clicked on the link and read it. I watched the vid too.

I even indicated I was open to the possibility that Gary Null might someday have his results replicated in clinical trials and have his theory published in a peer reviewed journal.

But until he accomplishes that most minimal requirement, a small obstacle that all scientists are expected to hurtle, I think in the interest of public safety, all people should operate under the hypothesis that AIDS is a contagious STD. The agent of contagion is the HIV virus which resides in the blood and fluids of infected persons. Everyone, please practice safe sex. Use condoms. If anyone thinks they might have been exposed, they should have themselves tested and see a REAL doctor.

Be reasonable and watch the aids fraud conference link on youtube. When done watching it over the next few days you dont have to comment on this board you can send me a PM what you really think.


Do you understand how absurd your position is? Do you understand that if HIV was a hoax, then the whole of nearly Earth's entire medical community would have to be in on it? Do you understand how much evidence and data would have to be not only purposely misinterpreted, but blatantly falsified and created? The amount of monitoring and control that would have to be implemented in order to maintain this illusion would have to be iron clad with virtually no probability of information leakage...it's not just unrealistic, it is logistically impossible.

However, for argument's sake, let's say HIV is a hoax. What would be the purpose of it? To make pharmaceutical companies richer? To further government involvement in the private sector, thus increasing it's control? Making people think there is some deadly and incurable disease out there, which then allows "them" to further institute social and cultural controls? Unless there is some plan to eventually unleash a massive "HIV epidemic", which would force government to suspend Constitutional government for the sake of survival, then there's absolutely no payoff to this hoax. If the HIV hoax is simply about growing economic and political power, there are dozens of surer and less risky methods of doing so; if it's about fostering particular social and cultural controls, again, there are better-and more benign-methods.

Now, all that being said, has it ever occurred to you that maybe Gary Null, his followers and all of their "alternative medicine practices" are the ones pulling the hoax? That maybe they are the ones trying to increase their control or maybe just put a couple of bucks in their pockets? Making yourself look like a an upstanding, righteous crusader boldly taking on a vastly superior but immoral and evil power almost always guarantees that some people are going to flock to you; after all, we love the underdog...and if we're going to be realistic, as you claim you want others to be, then you are going to have to 'fess up and admit that while there are many people who will blithely and blindly swallow whatever Kool-Aid mainstream media gives them, there are just as many people blindly and blithely swallowing the Kool-Aid of those self-proclaimed opponents of the mainstream who claim to know "what's REALLY going on".
'
You dont even have a clue whats going on here. Go watch the link for the aids fraud conference and get an understanding before you write such ignorant nonsense. The word hoax was never used and why you used it your thread made no sense. Misled should be the word but instead people like take a post switch it around any way they can to justify your posistion.

Your position still remains untenable. If people have been misled about HIV, it's connection to AIDS and AIDS therapies, my statements still remain true. Being misled is the same thing as being the victim of a hoax. Logistically speaking, the number of people who have to be aware of and assisting in this 'intentional misleading' would be so great, that information leakage is certain to occur.

You still have to yet to express what the purpose of such 'intentional misleading' would be. Those implementing this scheme MUST be doing so for some form of gain and there are only so many forms such a gain could take, namely material, political or economic, although economic gain could ultimately translate to material gain. That being said, there are, as I said before, far surer methods of attaining such gain. The only way around this is if you can present some type of gain that can attained ONLY through this particular manipulation.

Finally, as I said before, you have yet to address the possibility that Null, his allies and the whole holistic therapy approach is not only "misleading", but are, in fact, hoaxes. If you are truly the purveyor of truth you claim to be, then you would be at least mildly skeptical about Null and his movement. If you can be so skeptical about 'mainstream medicine', why can't I be just as skeptical about Null and his flock?

[Falrune]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/02/11/health.hiv.stemcell/

The guy had HIV, then got leukemia for which he had a transplant from someone with a particular mutation that prevents HIV from entering the lymphocyte. Now he has no detectable virus.


Since the patient's strain of virus does not use CCR5 as a coreceptor (Therefore seemingly rendering the delta 32 allele to be irrelevant -- I'm guessing his strain of virus uses CXCR4), what is your best explanation for the decrease of virus to below detectable limits after the stem cell transplant?

Just curious.
Where do you get your erroneous information? Just read the original article man. I was able to read it on one of the computers in the library at the local university.

From your article:

"Before undergoing the transplant, the patient was also found to be infected with low levels of a type of HIV known as X4, which does not use the CCR5 receptor to infect cells. So it would seem that this virus would still be able to grow and damage immune cells in his body. However, following the transplant, signs of leukemia and HIV were absent."

So...'man'... it came from the original article. Did you miss that point whilst reading at your local university?

To repeat my question regarding the "red-herring-ness" of the CCR5 delta 32 allele:

phobun --

Since the patient's strain of virus does not use CCR5 as a coreceptor (Therefore seemingly rendering the delta 32 allele to be irrelevant -- I'm guessing his strain of virus uses CXCR4), what is your best explanation for the decrease of virus to below detectable limits after the stem cell transplant?

[addicted]

Just a few links for those who are seriously interested in aids research:

http://www.liebertpub.com/products/product.aspx?pid=2

http://www.liebertpub.com/products/eboard.aspx?pid=2

http://www.aidsresearch.org/

http://www.oar.nih.gov/

http://www.aidsrestherapy.com/

If you value your life, stay away from Gary Null, his name is descriptive of his research __ null.

If you have any common sense dont click on these bogus links. Just another brainwashed robot.

[phobun]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/02/11/health.hiv.stemcell/

The guy had HIV, then got leukemia for which he had a transplant from someone with a particular mutation that prevents HIV from entering the lymphocyte. Now he has no detectable virus.


Since the patient's strain of virus does not use CCR5 as a coreceptor (Therefore seemingly rendering the delta 32 allele to be irrelevant -- I'm guessing his strain of virus uses CXCR4), what is your best explanation for the decrease of virus to below detectable limits after the stem cell transplant?

Just curious.
Where do you get your erroneous information? Just read the original article man. I was able to read it on one of the computers in the library at the local university.
From your article:

"Before undergoing the transplant, the patient was also found to be infected with low levels of a type of HIV known as X4, which does not use the CCR5 receptor to infect cells. So it would seem that this virus would still be able to grow and damage immune cells in his body. However, following the transplant, signs of leukemia and HIV were absent."

So...'man'... it came from the original article. Did you miss that point whilst reading at your local university?
"my article"??? WTF. But check out mid-right column page 694 of the PDF:

"Analysis of HIV-1 Coreceptor Phenotype

Sequence analysis of the patient's viral variants revealed a glycine at position 11 and a glutamic acid at position 25 of the V3 region. The net charge of amino acids was +3. These results indicated CCR5 coreceptor use by the HIV-1 strain infecting the patient, a finding that was confirmed by sequencing RNA in the HIV env region. The ultradeep sequencing analysis revealed a proportion of 2.9% for the X4 and dual-tropic variants combined."

As discussed on page 695 of the PDF file,"...The switch [from CCR5 to X4] occurs in the natural course of infection, and the proportion of X4 increases with ongoing HAART." In this case, he had 2.9% X4, with the majority being CCR5. More is discussed about this in the article if you bother to read it through. I think you can; I did, but I'm not going to spoonfeed you.


To repeat my question regarding the "red-herring-ness" of the CCR5 delta 32 allele:

phobun --

Since the patient's strain of virus does not use CCR5 as a coreceptor (Therefore seemingly rendering the delta 32 allele to be irrelevant -- I'm guessing his strain of virus uses CXCR4), what is your best explanation for the decrease of virus to below detectable limits after the stem cell transplant?

I think you need to improve your reading skills before you assume the role of condescending pedant. Go away and stop putting on airs. I'm just a regular guy too, but I do advise attempting to read the original source, rather than just CNN, before you go Cliff Clavin-esque on the internet.

[phobun]

People suffer unnecessarily by listening to the sort of huckster quacks you favor. Those lame videos are all you have, and you cannot even articulate anything in support of your own position.

The evidence is there jackass thats all I need. I dont have to please morons like you with written essays as if this was a classroom. I understand that a nerd like you is getting desperate in your attempts to belittle every fact I bring into the light. Part of a losing arguement is whining and bitching that someone cant spell or they are not intelligent.
You have not brought any facts to life. You have posted a video and you clearly lost your cool.

Now you have called me jackass, moron and nerd as you criticized me for saying that you "are not intelligent." Your whining and bitching sounds desperate indeed. Hilarious.

You are not intelligent. Not even close. And that is true whether the quack is right or wrong.

[phobun]

Just a few links for those who are seriously interested in aids research:

http://www.liebertpub.com/products/product.aspx?pid=2

http://www.liebertpub.com/products/eboard.aspx?pid=2

http://www.aidsresearch.org/

http://www.oar.nih.gov/

http://www.aidsrestherapy.com/

If you value your life, stay away from Gary Null, his name is descriptive of his research __ null.

If you have any common sense dont click on these bogus links. Just another brainwashed robot.
worthy2 sounds desperate.

[chefmike]

Just a few links for those who are seriously interested in aids research:

http://www.liebertpub.com/products/product.aspx?pid=2

http://www.liebertpub.com/products/eboard.aspx?pid=2

http://www.aidsresearch.org/

http://www.oar.nih.gov/

http://www.aidsrestherapy.com/

If you value your life, stay away from Gary Null, his name is descriptive of his research __ null.

If you have any common sense dont click on these bogus links. Just another brainwashed robot.
worthy2 sounds desperate.

[phobun]

That's pretty funny, but a little generous perhaps? Forrest Gump's I.Q. was something like 75, which I suspect is far higher than that of worthy2. Not only that, but Forrest could run on two legs, as opposed to worthy2, who isn't even on all fours but merely slides on his belly. As you described, worthy2 slithered back here as addickted, and I don't think his kind even merits an I.Q. score.

[Falrune]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/02/11/health.hiv.stemcell/

The guy had HIV, then got leukemia for which he had a transplant from someone with a particular mutation that prevents HIV from entering the lymphocyte. Now he has no detectable virus.


Since the patient's strain of virus does not use CCR5 as a coreceptor (Therefore seemingly rendering the delta 32 allele to be irrelevant -- I'm guessing his strain of virus uses CXCR4), what is your best explanation for the decrease of virus to below detectable limits after the stem cell transplant?

Just curious.
Where do you get your erroneous information? Just read the original article man. I was able to read it on one of the computers in the library at the local university.
From your article:

"Before undergoing the transplant, the patient was also found to be infected with low levels of a type of HIV known as X4, which does not use the CCR5 receptor to infect cells. So it would seem that this virus would still be able to grow and damage immune cells in his body. However, following the transplant, signs of leukemia and HIV were absent."

So...'man'... it came from the original article. Did you miss that point whilst reading at your local university?
"my article"??? WTF. But check out mid-right column page 694 of the PDF:

"Analysis of HIV-1 Coreceptor Phenotype

Sequence analysis of the patient's viral variants revealed a glycine at position 11 and a glutamic acid at position 25 of the V3 region. The net charge of amino acids was +3. These results indicated CCR5 coreceptor use by the HIV-1 strain infecting the patient, a finding that was confirmed by sequencing RNA in the HIV env region. The ultradeep sequencing analysis revealed a proportion of 2.9% for the X4 and dual-tropic variants combined."

As discussed on page 695 of the PDF file,"...The switch [from CCR5 to X4] occurs in the natural course of infection, and the proportion of X4 increases with ongoing HAART." In this case, he had 2.9% X4, with the majority being CCR5. More is discussed about this in the article if you bother to read it through. I think you can; I did, but I'm not going to spoonfeed you.


To repeat my question regarding the "red-herring-ness" of the CCR5 delta 32 allele:

phobun --

Since the patient's strain of virus does not use CCR5 as a coreceptor (Therefore seemingly rendering the delta 32 allele to be irrelevant -- I'm guessing his strain of virus uses CXCR4), what is your best explanation for the decrease of virus to below detectable limits after the stem cell transplant?

I think you need to improve your reading skills before you assume the role of condescending pedant. Go away and stop putting on airs. I'm just a regular guy too, but I do advise attempting to read the original source, rather than just CNN, before you go Cliff Clavin-esque on the internet.

Phobun. You need to improve your skills in logic.

Since 2.9% of the virus expressed the X4 phenotype, then what is your explanation for the decrease of the virus to below detectable limits. If the patient had an infection with a viruses that could use CCR5, CCR5/CXCR4, or CXCR4, than why should a stem cell transplant (cells lacking CCR5) cause the viral load to drop to below the limits of detection? What were the limits of detection?

[phobun]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/02/11/health.hiv.stemcell/

The guy had HIV, then got leukemia for which he had a transplant from someone with a particular mutation that prevents HIV from entering the lymphocyte. Now he has no detectable virus.


Since the patient's strain of virus does not use CCR5 as a coreceptor (Therefore seemingly rendering the delta 32 allele to be irrelevant -- I'm guessing his strain of virus uses CXCR4), what is your best explanation for the decrease of virus to below detectable limits after the stem cell transplant?

Just curious.
Where do you get your erroneous information? Just read the original article man. I was able to read it on one of the computers in the library at the local university.
From your article:

"Before undergoing the transplant, the patient was also found to be infected with low levels of a type of HIV known as X4, which does not use the CCR5 receptor to infect cells. So it would seem that this virus would still be able to grow and damage immune cells in his body. However, following the transplant, signs of leukemia and HIV were absent."

So...'man'... it came from the original article. Did you miss that point whilst reading at your local university?
"my article"??? WTF. But check out mid-right column page 694 of the PDF:

"Analysis of HIV-1 Coreceptor Phenotype

Sequence analysis of the patient's viral variants revealed a glycine at position 11 and a glutamic acid at position 25 of the V3 region. The net charge of amino acids was +3. These results indicated CCR5 coreceptor use by the HIV-1 strain infecting the patient, a finding that was confirmed by sequencing RNA in the HIV env region. The ultradeep sequencing analysis revealed a proportion of 2.9% for the X4 and dual-tropic variants combined."

As discussed on page 695 of the PDF file,"...The switch [from CCR5 to X4] occurs in the natural course of infection, and the proportion of X4 increases with ongoing HAART." In this case, he had 2.9% X4, with the majority being CCR5. More is discussed about this in the article if you bother to read it through. I think you can; I did, but I'm not going to spoonfeed you.


To repeat my question regarding the "red-herring-ness" of the CCR5 delta 32 allele:

phobun --

Since the patient's strain of virus does not use CCR5 as a coreceptor (Therefore seemingly rendering the delta 32 allele to be irrelevant -- I'm guessing his strain of virus uses CXCR4), what is your best explanation for the decrease of virus to below detectable limits after the stem cell transplant?

I think you need to improve your reading skills before you assume the role of condescending pedant. Go away and stop putting on airs. I'm just a regular guy too, but I do advise attempting to read the original source, rather than just CNN, before you go Cliff Clavin-esque on the internet.

Phobun. You need to improve your skills in logic.

Since 2.9% of the virus expressed the X4 phenotype, then what is your explanation for the decrease of the virus to below detectable limits. If the patient had an infection with a viruses that could use CCR5, CCR5/CXCR4, or CXCR4, than why should a stem cell transplant (cells lacking CCR5) cause the viral load to drop to below the limits of detection? What were the limits of detection?
You should have acknowledged your original assertion was erroneous.
After starting a fuss on the basis of your own misunderstanding, now you want to pretend that does not matter and impugn my logic, as if this whole thing is some sort of question for the high school debate club?

I am not claiming any special knowledge in biology, nor any special skills in logic. As I said before, I am just a regular guy on a porn forum.

But I can read. And it turns out that this very question is discussed in the article if you choose to read it. Don't expect to get spoonfed on a transsexual forum. Just read it, and if you still have a question, email the author.

Pedant.

[addicted]

Mainstream science has failed and real science has prevailed. The whole hiv causes aids theory is a fraud. Its bad enough many innocent people have died but to see people show such faith in it is even more disturbing. Mainstream has zero reversals for full blown aids while gary null has documented proof has has reversed aids. The facts are there take it or leave it.

[phobun]

Mainstream science has failed and real science has prevailed. The whole hiv causes aids theory is a fraud. Its bad enough many innocent people have died but to see people show such faith in it is even more disturbing. Mainstream has zero reversals for full blown aids while gary null has documented proof has has reversed aids. The facts are there take it or leave it.
You're so dumb you'll believe anything a quack tells you.

[trish]

Of course by real science you mean some guys perpetrating hoaxes on victims of aids in order to sell some books, video tapes and organic "cures". By documented proof you mean some youtube lectures, a penthouse article and a handfull of leaflets touting the miracle of Gary Null's big brain and his all natural cure. These are the facts: Gary Null's performed no double blind experiments,has sought no independent assessment and has published no peer reviewed papers.

Aids is contagious. It's principle cause is the HIV virus that spreads in the blood of infected persons. Practice safe sex. If you think you have been exposed, get tested and see a respected, licensed medical doctor. Don't play with your life, or the lives of your partners.

[Beagle]

Gary Null = Quack

http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/null.html

[addicted]

Gary Null = Quack

http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/null.html

beagle , Any jackass can do a write up on a computer. What company does this person that wrote this work for? Think before you post a meaningless link.

[addicted]

Mainstream science has failed and real science has prevailed. The whole hiv causes aids theory is a fraud. Its bad enough many innocent people have died but to see people show such faith in it is even more disturbing. Mainstream has zero reversals for full blown aids while gary null has documented proof has has reversed aids. The facts are there take it or leave it.
You're so dumb you'll believe anything a quack tells you.

OK dumbass thats why mainstream science has NEVER reversed aids and their protocols kill. You obviously have zero knowledge on this so why keep posting about it? You sound like a 1st grader on this topic. You have non place here.

[addicted]

Of course by real science you mean some guys perpetrating hoaxes on victims of aids in order to sell some books, video tapes and organic "cures". By documented proof you mean some youtube lectures, a penthouse article and a handfull of leaflets touting the miracle of Gary Null's big brain and his all natural cure. These are the facts: Gary Null's performed no double blind experiments,has sought no independent assessment and has published no peer reviewed papers.

Aids is contagious. It's principle cause is the HIV virus that spreads in the blood of infected persons. Practice safe sex. If you think you have been exposed, get tested and see a respected, licensed medical doctor. Don't play with your life, or the lives of your partners.

Your a fucking moron and the reason things are so fucked up where these cookbook medicine doctors get away with killing people. Its assholes like you that support murderers and barbaric killers.

[GinX]

Of course by real science you mean some guys perpetrating hoaxes on victims of aids in order to sell some books, video tapes and organic "cures". By documented proof you mean some youtube lectures, a penthouse article and a handfull of leaflets touting the miracle of Gary Null's big brain and his all natural cure. These are the facts: Gary Null's performed no double blind experiments,has sought no independent assessment and has published no peer reviewed papers.

Aids is contagious. It's principle cause is the HIV virus that spreads in the blood of infected persons. Practice safe sex. If you think you have been exposed, get tested and see a respected, licensed medical doctor. Don't play with your life, or the lives of your partners.

Your a fucking moron and the reason things are so fucked up where these cookbook medicine doctors get away with killing people. Its assholes like you that support murderers and barbaric killers.

Moron or not, true is true. Null has avoided any double blind studies, has not permitted any peer review of his work and has never been published in ANY type of reviewed journal. If asked, Null would probably argue that allowing his work to be peer reviewed would simply result in 'mainstream science' automatically censoring or telling society at large that his work his work has been debunked...whether that was true or not. However, that can be construed as a convenient excuse to avoid peer reviews.

Further, you have yet to address any of the issues with Null's work that I posited. If all you can do is call people morons and point to some YouTube link, why should you be taken seriously? If you want us to even consider your position, don't you think it would be better to try and open up some meaningful dialogue?

Finally, as I've said before, if you can view "mainstream science" with so much skepticism and call it justified, why can't I be justified in my skepticism regarding Null and his doctrines?

[chefmike]

Mainstream science has failed and real science has prevailed. The whole hiv causes aids theory is a fraud. Its bad enough many innocent people have died but to see people show such faith in it is even more disturbing. Mainstream has zero reversals for full blown aids while gary null has documented proof has has reversed aids. The facts are there take it or leave it.

[addicted]

I dont know shithead for someone that posts the same pictures with forest gump, school buses and birds I would say your special. Not to mention the tired lines about tinfoil hats over and over again like a fucking broken record. Your not funny or clever. Your a geek and a nerd that has no life. You have never been with a girl and you still live with your mother. The last time you had pussy was when pussy had you.

[chefmike]

I dont know shithead for someone that posts the same pictures with forest gump, school buses and birds I would say your special. Not to mention the tired lines about tinfoil hats over and over again like a fucking broken record. Your not funny or clever. Your a geek and a nerd that has no life. You have never been with a girl and you still live with your mother. The last time you had pussy was when pussy had you.

[phobun]

I dont know shithead for someone that posts the same pictures with forest gump, school buses and birds I would say your special. Not to mention the tired lines about tinfoil hats over and over again like a fucking broken record. Your not funny or clever. Your a geek and a nerd that has no life. You have never been with a girl and you still live with your mother. The last time you had pussy was when pussy had you.
All worthy2 has ever posted is a couple of trite videos by a quack and meltdowns like this one. Worthy2 is a disgrace to Gary Null.

[phobun]

Mainstream science has failed and real science has prevailed. The whole hiv causes aids theory is a fraud. Its bad enough many innocent people have died but to see people show such faith in it is even more disturbing. Mainstream has zero reversals for full blown aids while gary null has documented proof has has reversed aids. The facts are there take it or leave it.
You're so dumb you'll believe anything a quack tells you.

OK dumbass thats why mainstream science has NEVER reversed aids and their protocols kill. You obviously have zero knowledge on this so why keep posting about it? You sound like a 1st grader on this topic. You have non place here.
You have not seen any of Gary Null's proof or critically examined it.
All you do is believe what he tells you.
Is this because you are in denial about the alternative?
The problem is what will happen if you stop showing unquestioning credulity to Gary Null.
Then, might you have to deal with a diagnosis denied?

Oh, by the way, excess vitamins are a crock (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/health/17well.html)...

[addicted]

Mainstream science has failed and real science has prevailed. The whole hiv causes aids theory is a fraud. Its bad enough many innocent people have died but to see people show such faith in it is even more disturbing. Mainstream has zero reversals for full blown aids while gary null has documented proof has has reversed aids. The facts are there take it or leave it.
You're so dumb you'll believe anything a quack tells you.

OK dumbass thats why mainstream science has NEVER reversed aids and their protocols kill. You obviously have zero knowledge on this so why keep posting about it? You sound like a 1st grader on this topic. You have non place here.
You have not seen any of Gary Null's proof or critically examined it.
All you do is believe what he tells you.
Is this because you are in denial about the alternative?
The problem is what will happen if you stop showing unquestioning credulity to Gary Null.
Then, might you have to deal with a diagnosis denied?

Oh, by the way, excess vitamins are a crock (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/health/17well.html)...


Is that your only arguement that i have not seen? Thats weak, get a life already. i have proved you wrong in every way and now your just buttsore and acting out all the excess estrogene stored in your fat belly.

Oh by the way why are you trying to change the subject? by the way ny times is on the pharmicutical payroll.

[trish]

i have proved you wrong...

addicted, really? You and Gary Null have proved shit. If you got proof then you can point to the results of the double blind testing. Where are they? You can post the peer reviewed papers that lay out Null's case. Where are they? Null's got nothing but a line of products that he willing to let you have for a small (well maybe not so small) fee. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see where the hoax is here.

[addicted]

i have proved you wrong...

addicted, really? You and Gary Null have proved shit. If you got proof then you can point to the results of the double blind testing. Where are they? You can post the peer reviewed papers that lay out Null's case. Where are they? Null's got nothing but a line of products that he willing to let you have for a small (well maybe not so small) fee. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see where the hoax is here.

I can point to the failure on the war of aids you stupid asshole. I can point to the billions of dollars on the aids war and no improvement. Everything was documented on how he reversed patients with full blown aids with a hollistic approach dumbass. CDC is corrupt, The pharmicutical industry is corrupt. What your looking for you will never find. how does it feel to be a blind follower of such barbaric murderers? How can support something that has blantanly failed? Alternative treatments like intravenous ozone has reversed herpes, hepatitis and other std's. I dont see why you are blindly faithful and give unconditional credit to mainstream medicine. Plus you dont even question them, You just take whats given to you like a complete utter moron.

[trish]

Nowhere in that little rant is the proof you advertised. Where are the double blind experiments? Where are the peer reviewed papers? Proof isn't an invisible vapor, proof is professionally verified evidence and refereed argument. Where is it?

[addicted]

Nowhere in that little rant is the proof you advertised. Where are the double blind experiments? Where are the peer reviewed papers? Proof isn't an invisible vapor, proof is professionally verified evidence and refereed argument. Where is it?

Proof on what?

[phobun]

Mainstream science has failed and real science has prevailed. The whole hiv causes aids theory is a fraud. Its bad enough many innocent people have died but to see people show such faith in it is even more disturbing. Mainstream has zero reversals for full blown aids while gary null has documented proof has has reversed aids. The facts are there take it or leave it.
You're so dumb you'll believe anything a quack tells you.

OK dumbass thats why mainstream science has NEVER reversed aids and their protocols kill. You obviously have zero knowledge on this so why keep posting about it? You sound like a 1st grader on this topic. You have non place here.
You have not seen any of Gary Null's proof or critically examined it.
All you do is believe what he tells you.
Is this because you are in denial about the alternative?
The problem is what will happen if you stop showing unquestioning credulity to Gary Null.
Then, might you have to deal with a diagnosis denied?

Oh, by the way, excess vitamins are a crock (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/health/17well.html)...


Is that your only arguement that i have not seen? Thats weak, get a life already. i have proved you wrong in every way and now your just buttsore and acting out all the excess estrogene stored in your fat belly.

Oh by the way why are you trying to change the subject? by the way ny times is on the pharmicutical payroll.
I am not changing the subject. Your favorite quack sells vitamins and supplements to make money off of stupid, desperate souls. He is a despicable con man, and you are a simple-minded loser for believing his stories without question.

Fat belly? WTF. You are a moron and a misogynist to confabulate about being "buttsore" and criticize someone for excess estrogen.

Here is a challenge for you... show us all the proof that the NY Times is on the pharmaceutical payroll. The ball is in your court.

[phobun]

Nowhere in that little rant is the proof you advertised. Where are the double blind experiments? Where are the peer reviewed papers? Proof isn't an invisible vapor, proof is professionally verified evidence and refereed argument. Where is it?

Proof on what?
Sort of funny that only stupid people like you take up for the quack.

[addicted]

Mainstream science has failed and real science has prevailed. The whole hiv causes aids theory is a fraud. Its bad enough many innocent people have died but to see people show such faith in it is even more disturbing. Mainstream has zero reversals for full blown aids while gary null has documented proof has has reversed aids. The facts are there take it or leave it.
You're so dumb you'll believe anything a quack tells you.

OK dumbass thats why mainstream science has NEVER reversed aids and their protocols kill. You obviously have zero knowledge on this so why keep posting about it? You sound like a 1st grader on this topic. You have non place here.
You have not seen any of Gary Null's proof or critically examined it.
All you do is believe what he tells you.
Is this because you are in denial about the alternative?
The problem is what will happen if you stop showing unquestioning credulity to Gary Null.
Then, might you have to deal with a diagnosis denied?

Oh, by the way, excess vitamins are a crock (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/health/17well.html)...


Is that your only arguement that i have not seen? Thats weak, get a life already. i have proved you wrong in every way and now your just buttsore and acting out all the excess estrogene stored in your fat belly.

Oh by the way why are you trying to change the subject? by the way ny times is on the pharmicutical payroll.
I am not changing the subject. Your favorite quack sells vitamins and supplements to make money off of stupid, desperate souls. He is a despicable con man, and you are a simple-minded loser for believing his stories without question.

Fat belly? WTF. You are a moron and a misogynist to confabulate about being "buttsore" and criticize someone for excess estrogen.

Here is a challenge for you... show us all the proof that the NY Times is on the pharmaceutical payroll. The ball is in your court.

Con man ha ha thats a good one and who is a good honest man with integrity? Is that that jackass that spent 900 mill to be president? Is it these doctors that give a perfectly healthy person azt death drugs to those who positive for a bogus hiv test. So answer that jackass since you are such jealous raging madman. What are so angry about? Are you angry because sick people are being helped by gary null? Would you rather see them die? I think so, Your a misreble scumbag alchoholic.


You did switch up the subject after I kicked you around on this thread. You are so buttsore about someone challenging your bogus mainstream science. Show me ny times does not get paid off? The ball or balls are in your mouth.

[phobun]

Mainstream science has failed and real science has prevailed. The whole hiv causes aids theory is a fraud. Its bad enough many innocent people have died but to see people show such faith in it is even more disturbing. Mainstream has zero reversals for full blown aids while gary null has documented proof has has reversed aids. The facts are there take it or leave it.
You're so dumb you'll believe anything a quack tells you.

OK dumbass thats why mainstream science has NEVER reversed aids and their protocols kill. You obviously have zero knowledge on this so why keep posting about it? You sound like a 1st grader on this topic. You have non place here.
You have not seen any of Gary Null's proof or critically examined it.
All you do is believe what he tells you.
Is this because you are in denial about the alternative?
The problem is what will happen if you stop showing unquestioning credulity to Gary Null.
Then, might you have to deal with a diagnosis denied?

Oh, by the way, excess vitamins are a crock (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/health/17well.html)...


Is that your only arguement that i have not seen? Thats weak, get a life already. i have proved you wrong in every way and now your just buttsore and acting out all the excess estrogene stored in your fat belly.

Oh by the way why are you trying to change the subject? by the way ny times is on the pharmicutical payroll.
I am not changing the subject. Your favorite quack sells vitamins and supplements to make money off of stupid, desperate souls. He is a despicable con man, and you are a simple-minded loser for believing his stories without question.

Fat belly? WTF. You are a moron and a misogynist to confabulate about being "buttsore" and criticize someone for excess estrogen.

Here is a challenge for you... show us all the proof that the NY Times is on the pharmaceutical payroll. The ball is in your court.

Con man ha ha thats a good one and who is a good honest man with integrity? Is that that jackass that spent 900 mill to be president? Is it these doctors that give a perfectly healthy person azt death drugs to those who positive for a bogus hiv test. So answer that jackass since you are such jealous raging madman. What are so angry about? Are you angry because sick people are being helped by gary null? Would you rather see them die? I think so, Your a misreble scumbag alchoholic.


You did switch up the subject after I kicked you around on this thread. You are so buttsore about someone challenging your bogus mainstream science. Show me ny times does not get paid off? The ball or balls are in your mouth.
You can't do it. You can't proove your assertion that the "NY Times is on the pharmaceutical payroll".

"I think so, Your a misreble scumbag alchoholic."
You sound as angry as you do stupid, moron.

Apart from that sort of stupidity, you just repeat what you have heard from a quack. But you embarrass the quack.

Again, I challenge you. Can you proove that the "NY Times is on the pharmaceutical payroll"?

[chefmike]

He's such a cretin.

Don't waste your time, phobun.

The boy was born broken and you can't fix stupid.

[addicted]

Mainstream science has failed and real science has prevailed. The whole hiv causes aids theory is a fraud. Its bad enough many innocent people have died but to see people show such faith in it is even more disturbing. Mainstream has zero reversals for full blown aids while gary null has documented proof has has reversed aids. The facts are there take it or leave it.
You're so dumb you'll believe anything a quack tells you.

OK dumbass thats why mainstream science has NEVER reversed aids and their protocols kill. You obviously have zero knowledge on this so why keep posting about it? You sound like a 1st grader on this topic. You have non place here.
You have not seen any of Gary Null's proof or critically examined it.
All you do is believe what he tells you.
Is this because you are in denial about the alternative?
The problem is what will happen if you stop showing unquestioning credulity to Gary Null.
Then, might you have to deal with a diagnosis denied?

Oh, by the way, excess vitamins are a crock (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/health/17well.html)...


Is that your only arguement that i have not seen? Thats weak, get a life already. i have proved you wrong in every way and now your just buttsore and acting out all the excess estrogene stored in your fat belly.

Oh by the way why are you trying to change the subject? by the way ny times is on the pharmicutical payroll.
I am not changing the subject. Your favorite quack sells vitamins and supplements to make money off of stupid, desperate souls. He is a despicable con man, and you are a simple-minded loser for believing his stories without question.

Fat belly? WTF. You are a moron and a misogynist to confabulate about being "buttsore" and criticize someone for excess estrogen.

Here is a challenge for you... show us all the proof that the NY Times is on the pharmaceutical payroll. The ball is in your court.

Con man ha ha thats a good one and who is a good honest man with integrity? Is that that jackass that spent 900 mill to be president? Is it these doctors that give a perfectly healthy person azt death drugs to those who positive for a bogus hiv test. So answer that jackass since you are such jealous raging madman. What are so angry about? Are you angry because sick people are being helped by gary null? Would you rather see them die? I think so, Your a misreble scumbag alchoholic.


You did switch up the subject after I kicked you around on this thread. You are so buttsore about someone challenging your bogus mainstream science. Show me ny times does not get paid off? The ball or balls are in your mouth.
You can't do it. You can't proove your assertion that the "NY Times is on the pharmaceutical payroll".

"I think so, Your a misreble scumbag alchoholic."
You sound as angry as you do stupid, moron.

Apart from that sort of stupidity, you just repeat what you have heard from a quack. But you embarrass the quack.

Again, I challenge you. Can you proove that the "NY Times is on the pharmaceutical payroll"?

Proove is not a word so learn how to spell shithead, Whoa!!!!!! How does that feel? Whats there to prove? Do I also need to prove the pharmicutical industry is the most corrupt in the world also? That wall street is corrupt? Come on were you born yesterday or today? Ny times caters to everything the pharmicutical does and NEVER reports the facts about how the phar industry has needlessly killed innocent people. Hey fuckface who do work for?

[addicted]

He's such a cretin.

Don't waste your time, phobun.

The boy was born broken and you can't fix stupid.

Thats right you listen to your boyfriend. Obviously chefmike was dropped on his head as a child and beaten by his raging alcholic parents. Chefmikes actions are just a reflection on the utter morons that raised him.

[phobun]

Mainstream science has failed and real science has prevailed. The whole hiv causes aids theory is a fraud. Its bad enough many innocent people have died but to see people show such faith in it is even more disturbing. Mainstream has zero reversals for full blown aids while gary null has documented proof has has reversed aids. The facts are there take it or leave it.
You're so dumb you'll believe anything a quack tells you.

OK dumbass thats why mainstream science has NEVER reversed aids and their protocols kill. You obviously have zero knowledge on this so why keep posting about it? You sound like a 1st grader on this topic. You have non place here.
You have not seen any of Gary Null's proof or critically examined it.
All you do is believe what he tells you.
Is this because you are in denial about the alternative?
The problem is what will happen if you stop showing unquestioning credulity to Gary Null.
Then, might you have to deal with a diagnosis denied?

Oh, by the way, excess vitamins are a crock (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/health/17well.html)...


Is that your only arguement that i have not seen? Thats weak, get a life already. i have proved you wrong in every way and now your just buttsore and acting out all the excess estrogene stored in your fat belly.

Oh by the way why are you trying to change the subject? by the way ny times is on the pharmicutical payroll.
I am not changing the subject. Your favorite quack sells vitamins and supplements to make money off of stupid, desperate souls. He is a despicable con man, and you are a simple-minded loser for believing his stories without question.

Fat belly? WTF. You are a moron and a misogynist to confabulate about being "buttsore" and criticize someone for excess estrogen.

Here is a challenge for you... show us all the proof that the NY Times is on the pharmaceutical payroll. The ball is in your court.

Con man ha ha thats a good one and who is a good honest man with integrity? Is that that jackass that spent 900 mill to be president? Is it these doctors that give a perfectly healthy person azt death drugs to those who positive for a bogus hiv test. So answer that jackass since you are such jealous raging madman. What are so angry about? Are you angry because sick people are being helped by gary null? Would you rather see them die? I think so, Your a misreble scumbag alchoholic.


You did switch up the subject after I kicked you around on this thread. You are so buttsore about someone challenging your bogus mainstream science. Show me ny times does not get paid off? The ball or balls are in your mouth.
You can't do it. You can't proove your assertion that the "NY Times is on the pharmaceutical payroll".

"I think so, Your a misreble scumbag alchoholic."
You sound as angry as you do stupid, moron.

Apart from that sort of stupidity, you just repeat what you have heard from a quack. But you embarrass the quack.

Again, I challenge you. Can you proove that the "NY Times is on the pharmaceutical payroll"?

Proove is not a word so learn how to spell shithead, Whoa!!!!!! How does that feel? Whats there to prove? Do I also need to prove the pharmicutical industry is the most corrupt in the world also? That wall street is corrupt? Come on were you born yesterday or today? Ny times caters to everything the pharmicutical does and NEVER reports the facts about how the phar industry has needlessly killed innocent people. Hey fuckface who do work for?
You need to prove your assertion, if you can, that the "NY Times is on the pharmaceutical payroll." Otherwise, you have no face.

I suspect you are incapable of doing so.

[phobun]

He's such a cretin.

Don't waste your time, phobun.

The boy was born broken and you can't fix stupid.

Thats right you listen to your boyfriend. Obviously chefmike was dropped on his head as a child and beaten by his raging alcholic parents. Chefmikes actions are just a reflection on the utter morons that raised him.
Get tested for HIV. It might be affecting your brain.

[addicted]

Mainstream science has failed and real science has prevailed. The whole hiv causes aids theory is a fraud. Its bad enough many innocent people have died but to see people show such faith in it is even more disturbing. Mainstream has zero reversals for full blown aids while gary null has documented proof has has reversed aids. The facts are there take it or leave it.
You're so dumb you'll believe anything a quack tells you.

OK dumbass thats why mainstream science has NEVER reversed aids and their protocols kill. You obviously have zero knowledge on this so why keep posting about it? You sound like a 1st grader on this topic. You have non place here.
You have not seen any of Gary Null's proof or critically examined it.
All you do is believe what he tells you.
Is this because you are in denial about the alternative?
The problem is what will happen if you stop showing unquestioning credulity to Gary Null.
Then, might you have to deal with a diagnosis denied?

Oh, by the way, excess vitamins are a crock (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/health/17well.html)...


Is that your only arguement that i have not seen? Thats weak, get a life already. i have proved you wrong in every way and now your just buttsore and acting out all the excess estrogene stored in your fat belly.

Oh by the way why are you trying to change the subject? by the way ny times is on the pharmicutical payroll.
I am not changing the subject. Your favorite quack sells vitamins and supplements to make money off of stupid, desperate souls. He is a despicable con man, and you are a simple-minded loser for believing his stories without question.

Fat belly? WTF. You are a moron and a misogynist to confabulate about being "buttsore" and criticize someone for excess estrogen.

Here is a challenge for you... show us all the proof that the NY Times is on the pharmaceutical payroll. The ball is in your court.

Con man ha ha thats a good one and who is a good honest man with integrity? Is that that jackass that spent 900 mill to be president? Is it these doctors that give a perfectly healthy person azt death drugs to those who positive for a bogus hiv test. So answer that jackass since you are such jealous raging madman. What are so angry about? Are you angry because sick people are being helped by gary null? Would you rather see them die? I think so, Your a misreble scumbag alchoholic.


You did switch up the subject after I kicked you around on this thread. You are so buttsore about someone challenging your bogus mainstream science. Show me ny times does not get paid off? The ball or balls are in your mouth.
You can't do it. You can't proove your assertion that the "NY Times is on the pharmaceutical payroll".

"I think so, Your a misreble scumbag alchoholic."
You sound as angry as you do stupid, moron.

Apart from that sort of stupidity, you just repeat what you have heard from a quack. But you embarrass the quack.

Again, I challenge you. Can you proove that the "NY Times is on the pharmaceutical payroll"?

Proove is not a word so learn how to spell shithead, Whoa!!!!!! How does that feel? Whats there to prove? Do I also need to prove the pharmicutical industry is the most corrupt in the world also? That wall street is corrupt? Come on were you born yesterday or today? Ny times caters to everything the pharmicutical does and NEVER reports the facts about how the phar industry has needlessly killed innocent people. Hey fuckface who do work for?
You need to prove your assertion, if you can, that the "NY Times is on the pharmaceutical payroll." Otherwise, you have no face.

I suspect you are incapable of doing so.


All the evidence is as plain as your ugly face. The proof is in the articles and thats all that I need. Your never gonna believe anything from an alternative approach no matter how many die so it really doesnt matter. Your obviously a narrow minded stubborn jackass with special interests in corporate titans such as the pharmicutical industry and wall street.

[phobun]

You need to prove your assertion, if you can, that the "NY Times is on the pharmaceutical payroll." Otherwise, you have no face.

I suspect you are incapable of doing so.


All the evidence is as plain as your ugly face. The proof is in the articles and thats all that I need. Your never gonna believe anything from an alternative approach no matter how many die so it really doesnt matter. Your obviously a narrow minded stubborn jackass with special interests in corporate titans such as the pharmicutical industry and wall street.
You can't do it. You're incapable.
As I said, you embarrass the quack.

[trish]

The proof is in the articles and thats all that I need.

That may be all YOU need to be persuaded. But that's not proof. Where are the double blind experiments? Where are are peer reviewed papers? Minimally proof consists of independently reproducible results, publicly verified evidence and professionally reviewed argument. Null has not met a single one of these minimal requirements.

[lahabra1976]

My question addicted is if HIV doesn't cause AIDS, what do you and Gary Null believe what causes AIDS?

Note: His name is Gary Null and anyone who has taken statistics, remembers null is a term used to mean "none" or "not true". So his name sort of bais him into believing the "HIV theory" isn't true.

[phobun]

The proof is in the articles and thats all that I need.

That may be all YOU need to be persuaded. But that's not proof. Where are the double blind experiments? Where are are peer reviewed papers? Minimally proof consists of independently reproducible results, publicly verified evidence and professionally reviewed argument. Null has not met a single one of these minimal requirements.
worthy2 has no understanding of what you are even talking about.
worthy2 is a simpleton.
Only a simpleton would take up for a quack.

[phobun]

My question addicted is if HIV doesn't cause AIDS, what do you and Gary Null believe what causes AIDS?

Note: His name is Gary Null and anyone who has taken statistics, remembers null is a term used to mean "none" or "not true". So his name sort of bais him into believing the "HIV theory" isn't true.
He believes it is poor nutrition among other causes.
He sells expensive vitamins and supplements to credulous and desperate souls looking for hope.
Pathetic.

See under "questionable offerings"...
http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/null.html

[lahabra1976]

My question addicted is if HIV doesn't cause AIDS, what do you and Gary Null believe what causes AIDS?

Note: His name is Gary Null and anyone who has taken statistics, remembers null is a term used to mean "none" or "not true". So his name sort of bais him into believing the "HIV theory" isn't true.
He believes it is poor nutrition among other causes.
He sells expensive vitamins and supplements to credulous and desperate souls looking for hope.
Pathetic.

See under "questionable offerings"...
http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/null.html

I knew in the end is always about some greedy money making profit with these guys

[trish]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/health/17well.html?_r=1&ref=science

[addicted]

Hiv is not the cause of aids, Go to www.virusmyth.com

[phobun]

Hiv is not the cause of aids, Go to www.virusmyth.com
Unconvincing and inane.

Get tested, worthy2:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_dementia_complex

[addicted]

Hiv is not the cause of aids, Go to www.virusmyth.com
Unconvincing and inane.

Get tested, worthy2:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_dementia_complex

Yea ok as if your 2 second pea brain google search on gary null is legit, Do your research jackass and you will see hiv is not the cause of aids. Those are real scientists that are not paid off by the pharmicutical industry and special interest groups. the virusmyth website is legit so eat a fat dick. Once again just example of a buttsore excess estrogene jackass upset when put in his or her place.

[phobun]

Hiv is not the cause of aids, Go to www.virusmyth.com
Unconvincing and inane.

Get tested, worthy2:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_dementia_complex

Yea ok as if your 2 second pea brain google search on gary null is legit, Do your research jackass and you will see hiv is not the cause of aids. Those are real scientists that are not paid off by the pharmicutical industry and special interest groups. the virusmyth website is legit so eat a fat dick. Once again just example of a buttsore excess estrogene jackass upset when put in his or her place.
You know, if you stopped buying the quack's overpriced vitamins, you might be able to afford more Thunderbird, which is what really enabled you to be the man you are!

You need to go down to the quad at the local university and start hollering and shouting and waving signs. The poor overworked college students need a laugh.

[addicted]

Hiv is not the cause of aids, Go to www.virusmyth.com
Unconvincing and inane.

Get tested, worthy2:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_dementia_complex

Yea ok as if your 2 second pea brain google search on gary null is legit, Do your research jackass and you will see hiv is not the cause of aids. Those are real scientists that are not paid off by the pharmicutical industry and special interest groups. the virusmyth website is legit so eat a fat dick. Once again just example of a buttsore excess estrogene jackass upset when put in his or her place.
You know, if you stopped buying the quack's overpriced vitamins, you might be able to afford more Thunderbird, which is what really enabled you to be the man you are!

You need to go down to the quad at the local university and start hollering and shouting and waving signs. The poor overworked college students need a laugh.

What the fuck does vitamins have to do with this thread? Your all over the place on this thread and thats part of a losing arguement. You should just bring up herbs, vegtables , fruits, vegans, anti flouride, anti vaccine, helping people back to wellness, anti meat industry. All the things gary null is for and against.

[phobun]

Hiv is not the cause of aids, Go to www.virusmyth.com
Unconvincing and inane.

Get tested, worthy2:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_dementia_complex

Yea ok as if your 2 second pea brain google search on gary null is legit, Do your research jackass and you will see hiv is not the cause of aids. Those are real scientists that are not paid off by the pharmicutical industry and special interest groups. the virusmyth website is legit so eat a fat dick. Once again just example of a buttsore excess estrogene jackass upset when put in his or her place.
You know, if you stopped buying the quack's overpriced vitamins, you might be able to afford more Thunderbird, which is what really enabled you to be the man you are!

You need to go down to the quad at the local university and start hollering and shouting and waving signs. The poor overworked college students need a laugh.

What the fuck does vitamins have to do with this thread? Your all over the place on this thread and thats part of a losing arguement. You should just bring up herbs, vegtables , fruits, vegans, anti flouride, anti vaccine, helping people back to wellness, anti meat industry. All the things gary null is for and against.
Oh, does the quack sell overpriced herbs, vegetables, fruits and vegans?
Ha.
No, the quack sells expensive vitamins to desperate people looking for hope. Your hero is pathetic, and only credulous fools would believe his words about HIV.

[addicted]

Hiv is not the cause of aids, Go to www.virusmyth.com
Unconvincing and inane.

Get tested, worthy2:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_dementia_complex

Yea ok as if your 2 second pea brain google search on gary null is legit, Do your research jackass and you will see hiv is not the cause of aids. Those are real scientists that are not paid off by the pharmicutical industry and special interest groups. the virusmyth website is legit so eat a fat dick. Once again just example of a buttsore excess estrogene jackass upset when put in his or her place.
You know, if you stopped buying the quack's overpriced vitamins, you might be able to afford more Thunderbird, which is what really enabled you to be the man you are!

You need to go down to the quad at the local university and start hollering and shouting and waving signs. The poor overworked college students need a laugh.

What the fuck does vitamins have to do with this thread? Your all over the place on this thread and thats part of a losing arguement. You should just bring up herbs, vegtables , fruits, vegans, anti flouride, anti vaccine, helping people back to wellness, anti meat industry. All the things gary null is for and against.
Oh, does the quack sell overpriced herbs, vegetables, fruits and vegans?
Ha.
No, the quack sells expensive vitamins to desperate people looking for hope. Your hero is pathetic, and only credulous fools would believe his words about HIV.

Yes dr gary null the scientist has fruit, vegtables, protein powders, skincare, air filters, magnets. is it really wrong for him to have products? This site advertises porn is that wrong? Desperate people? You have zero knowledge of gary null and never will due to your narrow minded biasedness. Your just another dumbass meat eater.

[phobun]

Yes dr gary null the scientist has fruit, vegtables, protein powders, skincare, air filters, magnets. is it really wrong for him to have products? This site advertises porn is that wrong? Desperate people? You have zero knowledge of gary null and never will due to your narrow minded biasedness. Your just another dumbass meat eater.
This site may advertise porn but it does not promote dubious health treatments, nor does it assert that competitors are dangerous.
"The scientist", on the other hand, has suggested that the competition(conventional medicine) is dangerous, while at the same time selling his own brand of expensive vitamins, supplements, protein powders, skin products, air filters and magnets.
You, worthy2, are a desperate and gullible simpleton.
And as far as "the scientist" is concerned, check out some background information on how he got his "curious" "degree":
http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/null.html

[addicted]

Yes dr gary null the scientist has fruit, vegtables, protein powders, skincare, air filters, magnets. is it really wrong for him to have products? This site advertises porn is that wrong? Desperate people? You have zero knowledge of gary null and never will due to your narrow minded biasedness. Your just another dumbass meat eater.
This site may advertise porn but it does not promote dubious health treatments, nor does it assert that competitors are dangerous.
"The scientist", on the other hand, has suggested that the competition(conventional medicine) is dangerous, while at the same time selling his own brand of expensive vitamins, supplements, protein powders, skin products, air filters and magnets.
You, worthy2, are a desperate and gullible simpleton.
And as far as "the scientist" is concerned, check out some background information on how he got his "curious" "degree":
http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/null.html

Thats a bullshit article written by someone from a special interest group on the payroll, Nothing more nothing less. The word competition has never been used jackass so nice way to twist things around for your advantage.

Why continue to speak about shit you have zero knowledge ABOUT? Your just digging your self deeper and deeper in the hole with all those false misinformation.

Dr gary nulls work speaks for itself over the years with the longest running radio show in FM history, Award winning documentaries, Thousands of people with improved conditions from his protocols. It really doesnt matter what roaches like you stutter out because your a biased narrow minded backwards ass piece of shit.

[phobun]

Yes dr gary null the scientist has fruit, vegtables, protein powders, skincare, air filters, magnets. is it really wrong for him to have products? This site advertises porn is that wrong? Desperate people? You have zero knowledge of gary null and never will due to your narrow minded biasedness. Your just another dumbass meat eater.
This site may advertise porn but it does not promote dubious health treatments, nor does it assert that competitors are dangerous.
"The scientist", on the other hand, has suggested that the competition(conventional medicine) is dangerous, while at the same time selling his own brand of expensive vitamins, supplements, protein powders, skin products, air filters and magnets.
You, worthy2, are a desperate and gullible simpleton.
And as far as "the scientist" is concerned, check out some background information on how he got his "curious" "degree":
http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/null.html

Thats a bullshit article written by someone from a special interest group on the payroll, Nothing more nothing less. The word competition has never been used jackass so nice way to twist things around for your advantage.

Why continue to speak about shit you have zero knowledge ABOUT? Your just digging your self deeper and deeper in the hole with all those false misinformation.

Dr gary nulls work speaks for itself over the years with the longest running radio show in FM history, Award winning documentaries, Thousands of people with improved conditions from his protocols. It really doesnt matter what roaches like you stutter out because your a biased narrow minded backwards ass piece of shit.
His fanbase speaks for itself, and for him.

[addicted]

What makes you think gary null is this ruthless crook LOL. You dont even have a basis for an arguement. Just that same tired link from a unknown source who you dont know. Are you angry cause gary null is a sucess and you are a misreble loser?

[phobun]

What makes you think gary null is this ruthless crook LOL. You dont even have a basis for an arguement. Just that same tired link from a unknown source who you dont know. Are you angry cause gary null is a sucess and you are a misreble loser?
"Neurologic manifestations of HIV disease are seen in up to 50 percent of HIV-infected people, to varying degrees of severity."

http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/topics/HIVAIDS/Understanding/howhiv.htm

worthy2, get tested.

[Teydyn]

Still at flinging mud at each other? While still doing the same full 10-stacked-quote bullshit? :)


You dont even have a basis for an arguement. Just that same tired link from a unknown source who you dont know.
Maybe you should think about what you write. This fits PERFECTLY on your "proof" too...

Btw, on your www.virusmyth.com link, have you noticed there is not ONE quote from the last 9 years? a few from 2000, the others way older...

Great way to ignore the last 10 years of improvement.

[natina]

Can a Bone-Marrow Transplant Halt HIV?



By Eben Harrell / London Thursday, Nov. 13, 2008Bone-marrow cell
MedicalRF.com / Getty


http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1858843,00.html


The human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) is a pathogen so wily and protean that researchers rarely talk about curing infected patients, focusing instead on treatment and prevention. But in an announcement that caused a flutter of excitement and a wave of prudent skepticism, Berlin-based hematologist Gero Huetter claimed on Thursday that he has cured an HIV infection in a 42-year-old man through a bone-marrow transplant.



The patient, a U.S. citizen living in Germany, was suffering from advanced leukemia and HIV two years ago when Huetter treated the cancer with a bone-marrow transplant at Berlin's Charité hospital. As a side experiment, he inserted the bone marrow of a donor naturally resistant to HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. (Researchers have long known that about 1% of Europeans carry a genetic mutation that makes their cells resistant to HIV infection.) Bone marrow produces the cells that HIV attacks. So, the thinking went, inserting marrow that produces HIV-resistant cells might endow the patient with a means to repel the infection. Twenty months after the transplant, Huetter says, the man shows no signs of carrying the virus. (See stories of people surviving with HIV.)



http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1858843,00.html

[addicted]

Still at flinging mud at each other? While still doing the same full 10-stacked-quote bullshit? :)


You dont even have a basis for an arguement. Just that same tired link from a unknown source who you dont know.
Maybe you should think about what you write. This fits PERFECTLY on your "proof" too...

Btw, on your www.virusmyth.com link, have you noticed there is not ONE quote from the last 9 years? a few from 2000, the others way older...

Great way to ignore the last 10 years of improvement.

That is just proof how many years modern medicine is behind. It has been known for years. Its a very weak arguement to point out there is not a current link. Very weak and useless so why did you even bother making a post?

[Teydyn]

That is just proof how many years modern medicine is behind.
No, its not proof. It just shows that the website-author hasnt found quotes from the last 9 years supporting his fiction.


Its a very weak argument to point out there is not a current link. Very weak and useless so why did you even bother making a post?
Might be a weak argument.

But thats way better then having no argument at all, why do YOU bother? You claim to have proof (where?). You claim others support their arguments with fishy websites (you do the same? yours are just way fishier?). And you insult others...

[phobun]

Still at flinging mud at each other? While still doing the same full 10-stacked-quote bullshit? :)


You dont even have a basis for an arguement. Just that same tired link from a unknown source who you dont know.
Maybe you should think about what you write. This fits PERFECTLY on your "proof" too...

Btw, on your www.virusmyth.com link, have you noticed there is not ONE quote from the last 9 years? a few from 2000, the others way older...

Great way to ignore the last 10 years of improvement.

That is just proof how many years modern medicine is behind. It has been known for years. Its a very weak arguement to point out there is not a current link. Very weak and useless so why did you even bother making a post?
worthy2 must be a troll, nobody can be this stupid

[GinX]

Yes dr gary null the scientist has fruit, vegtables, protein powders, skincare, air filters, magnets. is it really wrong for him to have products? This site advertises porn is that wrong? Desperate people? You have zero knowledge of gary null and never will due to your narrow minded biasedness. Your just another dumbass meat eater.
This site may advertise porn but it does not promote dubious health treatments, nor does it assert that competitors are dangerous.
"The scientist", on the other hand, has suggested that the competition(conventional medicine) is dangerous, while at the same time selling his own brand of expensive vitamins, supplements, protein powders, skin products, air filters and magnets.
You, worthy2, are a desperate and gullible simpleton.
And as far as "the scientist" is concerned, check out some background information on how he got his "curious" "degree":
http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/null.html

Thats a bullshit article written by someone from a special interest group on the payroll, Nothing more nothing less. The word competition has never been used jackass so nice way to twist things around for your advantage.

Why continue to speak about shit you have zero knowledge ABOUT? Your just digging your self deeper and deeper in the hole with all those false misinformation.

Dr gary nulls work speaks for itself over the years with the longest running radio show in FM history, Award winning documentaries, Thousands of people with improved conditions from his protocols. It really doesnt matter what roaches like you stutter out because your a biased narrow minded backwards ass piece of shit.

And The Illiuminati are trying to immanetize the Eschaton, right? When are you going to get tired of repeating the same objection to everyone? Anytime someone points to a piece of literature or study that contradicts Null's position, you just say "oh that was written/conducted/directed by someone who was paid off by the government/pharmaceutical industry/special interest group". That's the problem with conspiracies...it's so easy and convenient to make anything fit into it...and you haven't really answered any of the questions anyone here has put to you, myself included.

let me ask you this again: how do you know for a fact that Null and his people aren't running some hoax that is being supported by some special interest group or groups? If all the data surrounding HIV can be the product of a deliberate campaign of misleading and false information, then why can't Null's be the same? How do you know, ABSOLUTELY, that he is the author of truth and is not misleading you?

[addicted]

Yes dr gary null the scientist has fruit, vegtables, protein powders, skincare, air filters, magnets. is it really wrong for him to have products? This site advertises porn is that wrong? Desperate people? You have zero knowledge of gary null and never will due to your narrow minded biasedness. Your just another dumbass meat eater.
This site may advertise porn but it does not promote dubious health treatments, nor does it assert that competitors are dangerous.
"The scientist", on the other hand, has suggested that the competition(conventional medicine) is dangerous, while at the same time selling his own brand of expensive vitamins, supplements, protein powders, skin products, air filters and magnets.
You, worthy2, are a desperate and gullible simpleton.
And as far as "the scientist" is concerned, check out some background information on how he got his "curious" "degree":
http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/null.html

Thats a bullshit article written by someone from a special interest group on the payroll, Nothing more nothing less. The word competition has never been used jackass so nice way to twist things around for your advantage.

Why continue to speak about shit you have zero knowledge ABOUT? Your just digging your self deeper and deeper in the hole with all those false misinformation.

Dr gary nulls work speaks for itself over the years with the longest running radio show in FM history, Award winning documentaries, Thousands of people with improved conditions from his protocols. It really doesnt matter what roaches like you stutter out because your a biased narrow minded backwards ass piece of shit.

And The Illiuminati are trying to immanetize the Eschaton, right? When are you going to get tired of repeating the same objection to everyone? Anytime someone points to a piece of literature or study that contradicts Null's position, you just say "oh that was written/conducted/directed by someone who was paid off by the government/pharmaceutical industry/special interest group". That's the problem with conspiracies...it's so easy and convenient to make anything fit into it...and you haven't really answered any of the questions anyone here has put to you, myself included.

let me ask you this again: how do you know for a fact that Null and his people aren't running some hoax that is being supported by some special interest group or groups? If all the data surrounding HIV can be the product of a deliberate campaign of misleading and false information, then why can't Null's be the same? How do you know, ABSOLUTELY, that he is the author of truth and is not misleading you?

The fact that modern medicine has never reversed aids and gary null has proves holistic and alternative therapies work better better than azt death drugs. All the billions spent on the war on aids and nothing to show for it proves the mainstream has failed. The inventor of the hiv test admits the test is not accurate. The fact that modern medicine is so utterly corrupt is proof. The original articles from robert gallo were wrong and there is proof. Sorry if you cant accept the truth. Here is the aids_fraud confernece

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7lw8G4PMKQ

[GinX]

Yes dr gary null the scientist has fruit, vegtables, protein powders, skincare, air filters, magnets. is it really wrong for him to have products? This site advertises porn is that wrong? Desperate people? You have zero knowledge of gary null and never will due to your narrow minded biasedness. Your just another dumbass meat eater.
This site may advertise porn but it does not promote dubious health treatments, nor does it assert that competitors are dangerous.
"The scientist", on the other hand, has suggested that the competition(conventional medicine) is dangerous, while at the same time selling his own brand of expensive vitamins, supplements, protein powders, skin products, air filters and magnets.
You, worthy2, are a desperate and gullible simpleton.
And as far as "the scientist" is concerned, check out some background information on how he got his "curious" "degree":
http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/null.html

Thats a bullshit article written by someone from a special interest group on the payroll, Nothing more nothing less. The word competition has never been used jackass so nice way to twist things around for your advantage.

Why continue to speak about shit you have zero knowledge ABOUT? Your just digging your self deeper and deeper in the hole with all those false misinformation.

Dr gary nulls work speaks for itself over the years with the longest running radio show in FM history, Award winning documentaries, Thousands of people with improved conditions from his protocols. It really doesnt matter what roaches like you stutter out because your a biased narrow minded backwards ass piece of shit.

And The Illiuminati are trying to immanetize the Eschaton, right? When are you going to get tired of repeating the same objection to everyone? Anytime someone points to a piece of literature or study that contradicts Null's position, you just say "oh that was written/conducted/directed by someone who was paid off by the government/pharmaceutical industry/special interest group". That's the problem with conspiracies...it's so easy and convenient to make anything fit into it...and you haven't really answered any of the questions anyone here has put to you, myself included.

let me ask you this again: how do you know for a fact that Null and his people aren't running some hoax that is being supported by some special interest group or groups? If all the data surrounding HIV can be the product of a deliberate campaign of misleading and false information, then why can't Null's be the same? How do you know, ABSOLUTELY, that he is the author of truth and is not misleading you?

The fact that modern medicine has never reversed aids and gary null has proves holistic and alternative therapies work better better than azt death drugs. All the billions spent on the war on aids and nothing to show for it proves the mainstream has failed. The inventor of the hiv test admits the test is not accurate. The fact that modern medicine is so utterly corrupt is proof. The original articles from robert gallo were wrong and there is proof. Sorry if you cant accept the truth. Here is the aids_fraud confernece

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7lw8G4PMKQ

Gary Null has only stated that his holistic and alternative therapies work...he has never engaged in any double blind or peer reviewed studies, nor has he ever engaged in any type of controlled study in a controlled environment....in fact, he has pretty much circumvented scientific procedure and has produced little more than documents rather than material results.

How do you qualify that the billions spent on AIDS research has nothing to show for it? What "facts" prove that modern medicine is "utterly corrupt"? What are the proofs that prove Gallo wrong? The inaccuracy of HIV testing is based upon nothing more than mere speculative ideology; it can be barely qualified as a theory since AIDS denialists base this on incredibly selective information from mostly outdated scientific research; in short, they have been cherry picking their data.

You are doing the same thing Null is doing...you can't just SAY it...you have to PROVE it....and I'll ask you again, for a third time...how do you know with absolute certainty that Null and his contingent have not cooked up these results, falsified information and have deliberately misled people all for their own personal gain? If the evil combine of the American Government and The Pharmaceutical Industry can do it...why can't he?