Are people just naturally hateful?

[CaptainGeech]

A recent group of events have occurred that reminded me about something I was curious about. Why is it that some of the most discriminated groups of people eventually find themselves the discriminators? Is is just because hate spreads? Is it because there own cause is brought into question? Are they just assholes?

For instance:

JEWS in history have tended to dislike BLACKS and are angry that there own discrimination isn't fully recognized. Among other things.

BLACKS in history have tended to dislike GAYS and felt they had a choice to change the thing they get discriminated for. Among other things.

GAYS in history have tended to dislike TRANSGENDERED because they feel they are mentally sick people trying to be something they are not. Among other things.

TRANSGENDERED in history have tended to dislike CROSS DRESSERS/GAYS because they feel they are silly confused men playing dress up who in no way represent what being a woman trapped in a mans body is all about. Among other things.



Obviously these are insanely broad generalizations but non the less have been supported. These might not be the popular beliefs but are feelings/views that run rampant in those groups.

Personally I am white/caucasian male and would consider myself heterosexual with some mild ts fantasies. I don't think I will ever pursue those fantasies. Thats why they are just fantasies. In honesty I would be embarrassed if my family or friends knew I was posting here or viewing TS porn. They are very accepting but I just feel weird about it and thats why I don't post any self photos. I don't know if its because I was born in the early 80's and most TS where portrayed as flamboyant idiots but I have a mental block about the subject.

I sometimes find myself having hateful or non accepting thoughts also. There are many times on here were I will see a HUNGANGEL post and my first thought is this is just a very sick confused man who should probably be in the loony bin. And I am not talking about the CD's or Club Kids but rather the "women" who are accepted by there piers as TS. Other times I will see a very passable individual and it will intrigue me. How something can start out genetically one way transform into something so different raises my interests. It bothers me that my opinion or judgment rests so heavily on "beauty". The "women" I naturally judge so harshly might live there lives just as true to women as the others and I judge them because there body is more difficult to transition. I guess it does make sense. I am not attracted to men. When the TS still contains some of those manly qualities it freaks me out. But when I see a beautiful model type who just happens to have a cock I like it. Call me immature.

I don't have a huge knowledge of the subject and this is probably evident in the above statement. I am here primarily for one reason. Passable TS women who I view as being feminine, beautiful, and unique for the secret between there legs. I know this isn't the ideal reason for being here but its the honest one. These were just some things I have been thinking about. Apologizes to anyone who was offended or feels I wasted there time for reading this.

Hopefully I will have something to contribute soon that doesn't involve my opinion. In fact I think I have some large rare pictures of Vaniity. Just need to find them.

[Hendrix]

I don't understand what kind of angle you are coming from. You are stereotyping Jews,Black,Gays and Transsexuals. If you didn't know there are gay black people and black transsexuals. Because you are a certain race doesn't mean you have to be define by it or the stereotype.
You seem a little bit confuse about society and yourself.

[CaptainGeech]

I don't understand what kind of angle you are coming from. You are stereotyping Jews,Black,Gays and Transsexuals. If you didn't know there are gay black people and black transsexuals. Because you are a certain race doesn't mean you have to be define by it or the stereotype.
You seem a little bit confuse about society and yourself.

Thats why I included the following part:

"Obviously these are insanely broad generalizations but non the less have been supported. These might not be the popular beliefs but are feelings/views that run rampant in those groups. "

I wasnt trying to imply that all people in those groups were that way. Just a decent number.

[Jericho]

Why is it that some of the most discriminated groups of people eventually find themselves the discriminators?


Shit rolls downhill (especially around here)! :shrug

[francisfkudrow]

I think people are just hateful by nature... Whatever combination of race/religion/orientation you are, you're going to hate SOMEBODY.

It probably has something to do with the "death drive" described by Sigmund Freud, the drive "towards death, destruction and non-existence." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_instinct)

[flabbybody]

transgenders disliking part-time CD's?
it's just not true IRL.

don't confuse the natural ball breaking (excuse the phrase) that takes place on HA with people's real feelings towards an entire group of people.

[youcancallmeclaire]

I hate this thread for implying that I'm full of hate.

[Danielle Foxx]

My BF is CD... I don't dislike her, only when she hangs out at places where she knows would piss me off, and hang out with people she knows dislike me... then again everyone dislikes me lol ...That makes me hate her... or when she stretches out my panties...bitch!

[rocklob]

I am white/caucasian male and would consider myself heterosexual




and therefore you are from the group that has codified and institutionalized every form of racism, anti-semitism and homophobia. Congratulatuions! It must be very comforting to see that hate can infect anyone, coming from such a cozy, dominant position[/quote]

[scroller]

Another example: Low-class Irish immigrants were infamous for discriminating against Blacks in the 1800's (their nearest competitors for tough working-class jobs). See the book "How the Irish Became White".

Not sure what that says in general. Remember that about 3.5% of any population are sociopaths, and it only takes one of them take over a particular venue and ruin it for everybody else.

[justatransgirl]

Yeah, everyone hates everyone else who's a little different from themselves. It's kind of sad don't you think.

Sigh,
TS Jamie :-)

PS Danielle, we all LOVE you! :-)

[fitz207]

Another example: Low-class Irish immigrants were infamous for discriminating against Blacks in the 1800's (their nearest competitors for tough working-class jobs). See the book "How the Irish Became White".
Being of 100% Irish descent. The Fitzgerald's and Murphy's arrived in NYC and Boston between 1858-1878. My ancestors were hated by the W.A.S.P, and the Italians. Being beaten and spit on by various ethnic groups. My family were working class people, who never discriminated against blacks or anyone else for that matter. They also understood that the discrimination they felt was nowhere near as bad as it was for blacks. Because in the end they were still white.

Are there racist Irish?... of course. Not all Irish Americans were racist bigots.

[ted naves]

Fact is, hatred is a choice just like everything else. We are weak when we do wrong. If things weren't such, and we we're inherently conditioned to unconsciencly commit cruel acts, people would commit such drastic acts upon themselves just as often as not. We would be dropping off like fly's in suicides.

It's weak bullshit. Everything you do , you do by choice. It's called responsibilty.

[CaptainGeech]

Thanks for the info and responses people.

[scroller]

Another example: Low-class Irish immigrants were infamous for discriminating against Blacks in the 1800's (their nearest competitors for tough working-class jobs). See the book "How the Irish Became White".
Being of 100% Irish descent. The Fitzgerald's and Murphy's arrived in NYC and Boston between 1858-1878. My ancestors were hated by the W.A.S.P, and the Italians. Being beaten and spit on by various ethnic groups. My family were working class people, who never discriminated against blacks or anyone else for that matter. They also understood that the discrimination they felt was nowhere near as bad as it was for blacks. Because in the end they were still white.

Are there racist Irish?... of course. Not all Irish Americans were racist bigots.

I'm Irish too. My great-great-grandfather with the same name was born in Dublin 1825.

That doesn't change the fact that there's a well-documented institutional history of Irish-on-Black discrimination and viloence in the Northeast. Yes, it's painful to read about. No, it doesn't help to flippantly act like it's not a big deal.

In the words of the activist Daniel O'Connell, writing from Ireland in 1843: "Over the broad Atlantic I pour forth my voice, saying, come out of such a land, you Irishmen; or, if you remain, and dare countenance the system of slavery that is supported there, we will recognize you as Irishmen no longer."

[El Nino]

I hate this thread for implying that I'm full of hate. hahaha

[fitz207]

Another example: Low-class Irish immigrants were infamous for discriminating against Blacks in the 1800's (their nearest competitors for tough working-class jobs). See the book "How the Irish Became White".
Being of 100% Irish descent. The Fitzgerald's and Murphy's arrived in NYC and Boston between 1858-1878. My ancestors were hated by the W.A.S.P, and the Italians. Being beaten and spit on by various ethnic groups. My family were working class people, who never discriminated against blacks or anyone else for that matter. They also understood that the discrimination they felt was nowhere near as bad as it was for blacks. Because in the end they were still white.

Are there racist Irish?... of course. Not all Irish Americans were racist bigots.

I'm Irish too. My great-great-grandfather with the same name was born in Dublin 1825.

That doesn't change the fact that there's a well-documented institutional history of Irish-on-Black discrimination and viloence in the Northeast. Yes, it's painful to read about. No, it doesn't help to flippantly act like it's not a big deal.

In the words of the activist Daniel O'Connell, writing from Ireland in 1843: "Over the broad Atlantic I pour forth my voice, saying, come out of such a land, you Irishmen; or, if you remain, and dare countenance the system of slavery that is supported there, we will recognize you as Irishmen no longer."
I never denied Irish racism, but i think it's unfair to imply that the Irish were more racist than any other white ethnic group.

[El Nino]

Fact is, hatred is a choice just like everything else. We are weak when we do wrong. If things weren't such, and we we're inherently conditioned to unconsciencly commit cruel acts, people would commit such drastic acts upon themselves just as often as not. We would be dropping off like fly's in suicides.

It's weak bullshit. Everything you do , you do by choice. It's called responsibilty.

Great points Dog.

[scroller]

I never denied Irish racism, but i think it's unfair to imply that the Irish were more racist than any other white ethnic group.

And yet the largest riots in US history were the New York Draft Riots in 1863, largely propelled by working Irish, largely degenerating into violence against free Blacks.

[fitz207]

I never denied Irish racism, but i think it's unfair to imply that the Irish were more racist than any other white ethnic group.

And yet the largest riots in US history were the New York Draft Riots in 1863, largely propelled by working Irish, largely degenerating into violence against free Blacks.
I know about the riots, my grandfather told me about this. As a matter of fact his grandparents were on Lexington Avenue during the riots. They were beaten for opposing the riots. Competition for jobs during the Civil War was the main cause of the riots. Irish on Italian and Polish violence took place later that century because of the same thing. There were and still are Irish racist in this country. But a lot of Irish did oppose that riot and were beaten by there own.

But i agree the riots of 1863 was a black stain on the Irish in America. :(

[GroobySteven]

Just read a great novel by the author of "Mystic River" and "Gon Baby Gone" called "The Given Day" about the Blacks and the Irish in Boston at the start of the 20th century - the Unions (and those who wanted to be in the Unions being called out as anarchists) and the riots there.
A good and easy read.

[russtafa]

multiculturism does not work people love to belong to tribes ie =football tribes ,sexual tribes, music tribes,ethnic tribes.what a pain in the arse it can cause -=us and them syndrom :(

[ted naves]

Great points Dog.

Thx