Why a TS will become lesbian?

[SouthoftheBorder]

Sorry if it´s a dumb question, but I have ask some TS around here and they have no idea. :oops:

[GroobySteven]

Transsexualism is a gender (male, female, transgender).
Lesbian is sexuality (straight, gay, bi)

The two are exclusive.
seanchai

[roy404]

I am going to open up a can of worms but here goes. This is my observation and opinion of the TS scene since 1969. I will ad this, I have known over 1000 TS ladies. In the 60-80 and into the early 90's there were at least, not on the scene, many TS Lesbians per say. There were many Bi's but I knew of very few lesbians. The ladies that had SRS were really looking for the middle America life and just to be normal. Then all of a sudden every shrink in the world was a TS expert and started handing out the papers any male would need to cover the Dr's ass if he did surgery. Ever since then the number of TS lesibians is thru the roof. At least 5 times the national adverage. I mean post as well as pre-op.
You have to remember also many of the people calling themselves TS are just TV's and sick guys in panties trying to make there lifestyle legit.
We must remember many of the girls on the "porn" sites are "paid" lesbians it is not there lifestyle.
Now ANY male with the $$ can go to Thailand and get SRS or implants or any other surgery WITHOUT any paperwork. I know a few that did. Look at the TS's of today, not the ones on the sites but the ones on Springer or in the news or the one making people stop in there tracks at the mall. Heck there was even a New Orleans drag queen that caused a stir in the evacuation by using the female shower. He is a Drag Queen and a street hooker not a TS.
All of a sudden the beauty of Allanah, Gia and many others if corupted by the "dickless" men walking around. No man would want them so what is there left. Many find that even Lesbians find them to "manly" or repulsive so the rougher ones date each other.
There are many beautiful TS's that love men. I happen to have been with one for almost 6 years. But as long as these other creatures walk, talk, eat, and act as men the beautiful ones are thrown into the same group. The ladies we like do not belong there.
Once again the actions of a few have ruined it for the many.

[d]

lol...plenty of dykes in the TS world...lots of girls we go gaga for on eros n pay to play love to cuddle in the kitty, and they like to play the dominate role. not knocking them just saying..going thru all that trouble to look like a lady, only to fuck like a guy? whatever floats your boat

[Vicki Richter]

Hey there are plenty of TS/shemale beasts who just like men. I think we should talk shemale lesbians vs TS lesbians.

Shemale lesbians (or at least bisexual) are fairly common today. I could name 10 well recognized and attractive girls who sleep with other shemales/TS and occassionally GG on their own time. I mean shit, you think girls have to goto Thailand to become "TS"? All it takes is a pumping party in some crappy South Florida or NYC hotel room. This has been going on for decades.

My opinion here is that in the shemale world, lesbianism becomes a direction for older shemale girls who are fed up with men. The distrust and dislike for men just builds to a point where the only people they trust and can relate to is other T's.

In the more mainstream TS world, many married guys turn T and decide to stay married after. It's wierd but it happens a lot. I don't think anyone can judge these folks. Nobody can say what is in someone's head. I was in Thailand with someone like this.

Women are much more able to be publicly bisexual than men. I have way too many GG friends who I've seen mac on every guy and girl in the bar after a few drinks.

[Shining Star]

I am going to open up a can of worms but here goes. This is my observation and opinion of the TS scene since 1969. I will ad this, I have known over 1000 TS ladies. In the 60-80 and into the early 90's there were at least, not on the scene, many TS Lesbians per say. There were many Bi's but I knew of very few lesbians. The ladies that had SRS were really looking for the middle America life and just to be normal. Then all of a sudden every shrink in the world was a TS expert and started handing out the papers any male would need to cover the Dr's ass if he did surgery. Ever since then the number of TS lesibians is thru the roof. At least 5 times the national adverage. I mean post as well as pre-op.
You have to remember also many of the people calling themselves TS are just TV's and sick guys in panties trying to make there lifestyle legit.
We must remember many of the girls on the "porn" sites are "paid" lesbians it is not there lifestyle.
Now ANY male with the $$ can go to Thailand and get SRS or implants or any other surgery WITHOUT any paperwork. I know a few that did. Look at the TS's of today, not the ones on the sites but the ones on Springer or in the news or the one making people stop in there tracks at the mall. Heck there was even a New Orleans drag queen that caused a stir in the evacuation by using the female shower. He is a Drag Queen and a street hooker not a TS.
All of a sudden the beauty of Allanah, Gia and many others if corupted by the "dickless" men walking around. No man would want them so what is there left. Many find that even Lesbians find them to "manly" or repulsive so the rougher ones date each other.
There are many beautiful TS's that love men. I happen to have been with one for almost 6 years. But as long as these other creatures walk, talk, eat, and act as men the beautiful ones are thrown into the same group. The ladies we like do not belong there.
Once again the actions of a few have ruined it for the many.

First of all whom are YOU to say who is or is not a true transexual? Just because they do not "pass" or look like Allanah, Gia or any of the other gorgeous girls (no offense meant), does not cast their motives for wishing to alter their sex.

Just so you know, many of those "manly" transexuals as you call them, on average lead a happier life post op than many of the beauties you rave about. Several studies have come to this conclusion, though there may be several factors.

First these persons usually have completed higher education and or had steady job before making the change. That brings stability and a different mind set than someone who say "works" for a living. These persons also have a pretty realistic view of their lives as "women" and know they are not going to ever be raving beauties. They just wish to be comfortable within their own bodies, which is the entire medical point of changing sex in the first place. These "manly" trannies usually have decent jobs before they transition and keep working afterwards. Contrasted with quite a few gorgeous young trannies that are "pros" before the operation, after and usually end their days involved somehow in the sex trade. True not all, but not a significant number leave either. So all in all who do you think leads a happier life?


As for the lesbian thing, you need to read Kate Borenstien (sp?) and other transgendered authors. True many have the operation without going through the proper procedures, thus becoming "confused" post op, there are many girls who did do everything "right" and still ended up becoming lesbians.

There are several theories as to why this happens (and it happens more than one would think), several of the main ones are:

Even the most gorgeous trannie occupies a "no man's land" in terms of society. Most St8 men want a real woman and most "chasers" want a trannie with equipment. While I do not know thousands of trannies like you, do know a handful, some drop dead gorgeous and live in the straight world. 99.5% of the time when they get close to a St8 guy and he after awhile puts two and two together/someone tells him, or the girl confesses, that guy is out of there. Some may stay around for sex (after all these girls are VERY stunning), but that is all there is. Enough of this sort of rejection would send anyone to seek relationships elsewhere. Again the trannie community usually is not the place as most men are seeking a trannie with a working (10" or larger) piece.

The other theory is the sex trade which trannies in greater numbers seem to be a part of, either out choice or necessity. Female prositutes have versus the normal population a large number of lesbians. Theories abound as to why, but many think it is because of prior emotional and or physical abuse by males, these women are turned off to men and seek other women. Or, sheer being "worn out" emotionally from being with so many men. Such women like trannies are rejected by mainstream society, except for certian areas like show business. A wealthy stock broker will fly a girl to Costa Rica for a week of fun and spend major money on her, but he will not marry her nor take her home to meet his mother. To many pros that painfully reminds them of their position in society and makes them "hate" men more as they may "blame" them for their lot.

Transexuals though more "out" than previous years, still face many problems. One of which is to find someone whom sees them as a person rather than a sexual fetish. Yes, many post here and elsewhere how they "love" trannies and want to find one to "marry" or have as a "gf". But many more men still consider trannies something to get their freak on with, and nothing else. Again, same situation; a man will take them out, spend money on them, but that is far as it goes. It becomes clear to the trannie the relationship is basically about sex.

What is clear is that the SRS is not the huge sucess it was built up to be, so much so many places no longer do the operation and many girls are opting to be "non-op" trannies. What is also clear is that most trannies have many other issues of which seeking to be another gender is but one. Becoming a "woman" may solve one problem, but does not address the others.

SS

[SouthoftheBorder]

Vicki & Shining Star: Thanks!

[sdman]

Hey there are plenty of TS/shemale beasts who just like men. I think we should talk shemale lesbians vs TS lesbians.

Shemale lesbians (or at least bisexual) are fairly common today. I could name 10 well recognized and attractive girls who sleep with other shemales/TS and occassionally GG on their own time. I mean shit, you think girls have to goto Thailand to become "TS"? All it takes is a pumping party in some crappy South Florida or NYC hotel room. This has been going on for decades.

My opinion here is that in the shemale world, lesbianism becomes a direction for older shemale girls who are fed up with men. The distrust and dislike for men just builds to a point where the only people they trust and can relate to is other T's.

In the more mainstream TS world, many married guys turn T and decide to stay married after. It's wierd but it happens a lot. I don't think anyone can judge these folks. Nobody can say what is in someone's head. I was in Thailand with someone like this.

Women are much more able to be publicly bisexual than men. I have way too many GG friends who I've seen mac on every guy and girl in the bar after a few drinks.

What's the differance between a shemale beast and TS I thought they were all the same?

[BeardedOne]

Where the hell was I when this thread started? :shock:

Great observations, all.


What's the differance between a shemale beast and TS I thought they were all the same?

Well, except that one. That's just nasty. :P I'm going to get into my flame-retardant skivvies for the coming responses to that. :lol:

[Trogdor]

Women are much more able to be publicly bisexual than men. I have way too many GG friends who I've seen mac on every guy and girl in the bar after a few drinks. Never found any in the midwest :?

But yea, most TG babes I end liking, just as with GG's, turn out to be lesbians. :cry :frustrated :crazy :smh :violin

[Felicia Katt]

I am going to open up a can of worms but here goes. This is my observation and opinion of the TS scene since 1969. I will ad this, I have known over 1000 TS ladies. In the 60-80 and into the early 90's there were at least, not on the scene, many TS Lesbians per say. There were many Bi's but I knew of very few lesbians. The ladies that had SRS were really looking for the middle America life and just to be normal. Then all of a sudden every shrink in the world was a TS expert and started handing out the papers any male would need to cover the Dr's ass if he did surgery. Ever since then the number of TS lesibians is thru the roof. At least 5 times the national adverage. I mean post as well as pre-op.
You have to remember also many of the people calling themselves TS are just TV's and sick guys in panties trying to make there lifestyle legit.
We must remember many of the girls on the "porn" sites are "paid" lesbians it is not there lifestyle.
Now ANY male with the $$ can go to Thailand and get SRS or implants or any other surgery WITHOUT any paperwork. I know a few that did. Look at the TS's of today, not the ones on the sites but the ones on Springer or in the news or the one making people stop in there tracks at the mall. Heck there was even a New Orleans drag queen that caused a stir in the evacuation by using the female shower. He is a Drag Queen and a street hooker not a TS.
All of a sudden the beauty of Allanah, Gia and many others if corupted by the "dickless" men walking around. No man would want them so what is there left. Many find that even Lesbians find them to "manly" or repulsive so the rougher ones date each other.
There are many beautiful TS's that love men. I happen to have been with one for almost 6 years. But as long as these other creatures walk, talk, eat, and act as men the beautiful ones are thrown into the same group. The ladies we like do not belong there.
Once again the actions of a few have ruined it for the many.
With this kind of attitude, the question really is why haven't more TS's gone lesbian.

FK

[Quinn]

I am going to open up a can of worms but here goes. This is my observation and opinion of the TS scene since 1969. I will ad this, I have known over 1000 TS ladies. In the 60-80 and into the early 90's there were at least, not on the scene, many TS Lesbians per say. There were many Bi's but I knew of very few lesbians. The ladies that had SRS were really looking for the middle America life and just to be normal. Then all of a sudden every shrink in the world was a TS expert and started handing out the papers any male would need to cover the Dr's ass if he did surgery. Ever since then the number of TS lesibians is thru the roof. At least 5 times the national adverage. I mean post as well as pre-op.
You have to remember also many of the people calling themselves TS are just TV's and sick guys in panties trying to make there lifestyle legit.
We must remember many of the girls on the "porn" sites are "paid" lesbians it is not there lifestyle.
Now ANY male with the $$ can go to Thailand and get SRS or implants or any other surgery WITHOUT any paperwork. I know a few that did. Look at the TS's of today, not the ones on the sites but the ones on Springer or in the news or the one making people stop in there tracks at the mall. Heck there was even a New Orleans drag queen that caused a stir in the evacuation by using the female shower. He is a Drag Queen and a street hooker not a TS.
All of a sudden the beauty of Allanah, Gia and many others if corupted by the "dickless" men walking around. No man would want them so what is there left. Many find that even Lesbians find them to "manly" or repulsive so the rougher ones date each other.
There are many beautiful TS's that love men. I happen to have been with one for almost 6 years. But as long as these other creatures walk, talk, eat, and act as men the beautiful ones are thrown into the same group. The ladies we like do not belong there.
Once again the actions of a few have ruined it for the many.
With this kind of attitude, the question really is why haven't more TS's gone lesbian.

FKLMAO...

-Quinn

[sdman]

I actually had to debate on whether or not I should add my 2 cents to this topic. Nevertheless, I'm here so I'll shed some light on things, from my perspective.

First off, I have covered pretty much every angle from a medical or legal stand point. I've been to 2 therapist for my "paperwork." It's basically BS because anyone can lie their way through it. Going to a therapist is basically hit or miss. The first therapist I went to was an obvious gay male. In my experience, gay men are very spiteful of transsexuals and will do anything to discourage you. After 6 months, he said I needed more counseling with him. He felt I was nothing more than a gay male. But wait! How could I be a gay male if I've never been with men and have no interest in them. Was he projecting? I think so. The second therapist I went to, was in fact a transsexual herself. It only took 2 months and from the first day, she and her advisor both agreed, everything about me was very much a woman.

Having gone through all of that, I can honestly say it wasn't necessary, but I did what I felt was right at the time. I did all the necessary research about transitioning before I started. The therapists could have been avoided, but at least I can say I had the experience and the paper to back everything up.

:::NOTE: Everything I say from here on is just repetition of what many of the regulars already know:::

As a transsexual lesbian, I can honestly say I have never been with men. I've never wanted to be with men in any kind of sexual capacity. Many girls that I have come in contact with that say they are lesbian, have been with men at one point or another. While my feelings towards men can range from standoffish to just plain hostile, it's my experiences growing up until now which bring me here. As the saying goes, to each his/her own.

Sexually, I leave myself open to whatever my partner (GG or TS) wishes of me most of the time. I'm not a very sexual person but I will do just about anything to please my girl, whether as a top, bottom or versatile. A lot of people have a common misconception about transsexuals. Thinking that Tgirls will all naturally like men. Absolutely not! It's been stated many times here, sexual identity and sexual orientation are 2 completely exclusive things. The majority of what we see (Tgirls with men), is what is put out in the open. It's what could be considered "more acceptable." For the majority at large, I think people still view us mainly as a fetish.

Another example of sexuality being different from one person to the next. I'm a feminist lesbian, and my now ex-girlfriend (you know who she is), is openly bisexual. I don't have a very high view of men at all to say the least. She on the other hand, has stated she loves men and women equally. Neither of us could understand the point of view of the other (one of the many reasons we parted). Still, it is what it is. I would say, both of us are quite attractive and feminine looking girls and very well educated. There is nothing that can specifically label any girl. We are ALL different.

The why based on interaction. I personally feel that women are more sensitive and understanding. I can sit and have conversation with a woman, where she will attentively listen and try to understand. Most of my interactions with men, are generic and don't lead anywhere. Women are more patient and can deal with things outside of themselves. With women, it's not always about sex. I probably could go on but I'll stop with that. As always, these are from MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCES. If you have issues with it, that's not my problem. I'm not generalizing at all. I'm just going by what I've experienced thus far from a wide range of different venues (work, parties, bars, Internet, school, etc...).

I'm not quite sure what else to say on this topic for now. I'm expressed quite a bit during my time on this site. Much of which has been met with question, confusion, ignorance and opposition. Some of what I've said here will probably strike a nerve with some. Still, it's direct insight on the topic...from one girls inside perspective.

More man bashing I see. Most TS love men so you need to figure it out.

[sdman]

I am going to open up a can of worms but here goes. This is my observation and opinion of the TS scene since 1969. I will ad this, I have known over 1000 TS ladies. In the 60-80 and into the early 90's there were at least, not on the scene, many TS Lesbians per say. There were many Bi's but I knew of very few lesbians. The ladies that had SRS were really looking for the middle America life and just to be normal. Then all of a sudden every shrink in the world was a TS expert and started handing out the papers any male would need to cover the Dr's ass if he did surgery. Ever since then the number of TS lesibians is thru the roof. At least 5 times the national adverage. I mean post as well as pre-op.
You have to remember also many of the people calling themselves TS are just TV's and sick guys in panties trying to make there lifestyle legit.
We must remember many of the girls on the "porn" sites are "paid" lesbians it is not there lifestyle.
Now ANY male with the $$ can go to Thailand and get SRS or implants or any other surgery WITHOUT any paperwork. I know a few that did. Look at the TS's of today, not the ones on the sites but the ones on Springer or in the news or the one making people stop in there tracks at the mall. Heck there was even a New Orleans drag queen that caused a stir in the evacuation by using the female shower. He is a Drag Queen and a street hooker not a TS.
All of a sudden the beauty of Allanah, Gia and many others if corupted by the "dickless" men walking around. No man would want them so what is there left. Many find that even Lesbians find them to "manly" or repulsive so the rougher ones date each other.
There are many beautiful TS's that love men. I happen to have been with one for almost 6 years. But as long as these other creatures walk, talk, eat, and act as men the beautiful ones are thrown into the same group. The ladies we like do not belong there.
Once again the actions of a few have ruined it for the many.
With this kind of attitude, the question really is why haven't more TS's gone lesbian.

FK

Because most TS dont want anyting to do with another ts and men are what you ladies like.

[sdman]

I actually had to debate on whether or not I should add my 2 cents to this topic. Nevertheless, I'm here so I'll shed some light on things, from my perspective.

First off, I have covered pretty much every angle from a medical or legal stand point. I've been to 2 therapist for my "paperwork." It's basically BS because anyone can lie their way through it. Going to a therapist is basically hit or miss. The first therapist I went to was an obvious gay male. In my experience, gay men are very spiteful of transsexuals and will do anything to discourage you. After 6 months, he said I needed more counseling with him. He felt I was nothing more than a gay male. But wait! How could I be a gay male if I've never been with men and have no interest in them. Was he projecting? I think so. The second therapist I went to, was in fact a transsexual herself. It only took 2 months and from the first day, she and her advisor both agreed, everything about me was very much a woman.

Having gone through all of that, I can honestly say it wasn't necessary, but I did what I felt was right at the time. I did all the necessary research about transitioning before I started. The therapists could have been avoided, but at least I can say I had the experience and the paper to back everything up.

:::NOTE: Everything I say from here on is just repetition of what many of the regulars already know:::

As a transsexual lesbian, I can honestly say I have never been with men. I've never wanted to be with men in any kind of sexual capacity. Many girls that I have come in contact with that say they are lesbian, have been with men at one point or another. While my feelings towards men can range from standoffish to just plain hostile, it's my experiences growing up until now which bring me here. As the saying goes, to each his/her own.

Sexually, I leave myself open to whatever my partner (GG or TS) wishes of me most of the time. I'm not a very sexual person but I will do just about anything to please my girl, whether as a top, bottom or versatile. A lot of people have a common misconception about transsexuals. Thinking that Tgirls will all naturally like men. Absolutely not! It's been stated many times here, sexual identity and sexual orientation are 2 completely exclusive things. The majority of what we see (Tgirls with men), is what is put out in the open. It's what could be considered "more acceptable." For the majority at large, I think people still view us mainly as a fetish.

Another example of sexuality being different from one person to the next. I'm a feminist lesbian, and my now ex-girlfriend (you know who she is), is openly bisexual. I don't have a very high view of men at all to say the least. She on the other hand, has stated she loves men and women equally. Neither of us could understand the point of view of the other (one of the many reasons we parted). Still, it is what it is. I would say, both of us are quite attractive and feminine looking girls and very well educated. There is nothing that can specifically label any girl. We are ALL different.

The why based on interaction. I personally feel that women are more sensitive and understanding. I can sit and have conversation with a woman, where she will attentively listen and try to understand. Most of my interactions with men, are generic and don't lead anywhere. Women are more patient and can deal with things outside of themselves. With women, it's not always about sex. I probably could go on but I'll stop with that. As always, these are from MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCES. If you have issues with it, that's not my problem. I'm not generalizing at all. I'm just going by what I've experienced thus far from a wide range of different venues (work, parties, bars, Internet, school, etc...).

I'm not quite sure what else to say on this topic for now. I'm expressed quite a bit during my time on this site. Much of which has been met with question, confusion, ignorance and opposition. Some of what I've said here will probably strike a nerve with some. Still, it's direct insight on the topic...from one girls inside perspective.

More man bashing I see. Most TS love men so you need to figure it out.

I think you are the one that needs to figure it out. I'm not like most TS. It's idiots like you that piss girls off. You have this over inflated caveman thought process..."Me men...you woman...you mine!" Wake up and realize that it's 2006. Things are constantly changing and you need to get used to it. I wasn't male bashing at all. If my experiences when men have been bad, then so be it. I didn't label all men. However, you seem to be labeling all Tgirls as hetero. You have much to learn.

PS ~ Now I definitely can see why people (especially the girls) have decided to leave. Too Many IDIOTS!

what's wrong with that type of mentality. If you call yourself a woman then you should also submit yourself to men and do as we desire sometimes.

[signupjustforthis]

I love men, can't live without them

But some people are lesbians, some people are gay. Some are bisexual. OH my god, what a concept!

Why ask why when you can ask WHY NOT.

[N.O.Kayla]

Why do tgirls go lesbo? I beleive that girls go with girls for the same reason they go with men Everyone wants to be loved In a world like today its hard to find love or affection everyone has an agenda and a lot of people are really selfish I was in a tg on tg relationship once It didnt work out I wasnt happy with the outcome but It was a very unique experience and I am now currently dating men It didnt work out for us but I think we had a few good times I am not opposed to being with a girl like myself again but not something I go out and look for and as for the the title lesbian transbian whatever I dont label myself either Labels are repressive I am many things Why did I ever go with another girl like myself? I like the idea of being with someone who might understand me a lil more than the average man the financial situation I am not looking to support anyone financially either It was different Hope that helps

[General124]

Why do tgirls go lesbo? I beleive that girls go with girls for the same reason they go with men Everyone wants to be loved In a world like today its hard to find love or affection everyone has an agenda and a lot of people are really selfish I was in a tg on tg relationship once It didnt work out I wasnt happy with the outcome but It was a very unique experience and I am now currently dating men It didnt work out for us but I think we had a few good times I am not opposed to being with a girl like myself again but not something I go out and look for and as for the the title lesbian transbian whatever I dont label myself either Labels are repressive I am many things Why did I ever go with another girl like myself? I like the idea of being with someone who might understand me a lil more than the average man the financial situation I am not looking to support anyone financially either It was different Hope that helps

Hey Kayla. Nice to see you on board. Have you returned to New Orleans permanently?

[hwbs]

PERSONALLY I CAN GIVE A FUCK WHAT ANYONE DOES WITH THIER SEXUALITY.....IF YOUR NOT WITH ME THEN I CAN CARELESS...BUT....HERE GOES, I FIND 2 GIRLS >>>>A TRANNY AND A GIRL>>>>2 TRANNYS TOGETHER A HUGE TUEN OFF....THE WHOLE LESBO THING AFFECTS ME LIKE SEEING TO GUYS GETTING IT ON...ITS NOT MY THING AND I COULDNT DATE A GIRL WHO WANTS THAT...I JUSY HATE WHEN THE TRANNYS CALL GUYS ADMIRES OR EVEN WORSE TRANNY CHASERS WHEN THEY CHASE TRANNYS MORE THEN SOME GUYS.....AGAIN ......THAYTS MY 2cents AND IT ONLY APPLIES TO SOMEONE IM INVOLVED WITH...THANK GOD EVERY TS GIRL I BEEN WITH HATES BUMPPING POCKETBOOKS ( OTHER TS GIRL;S & GG's ) .....MY GIRL WOULDNT GO NEAR A GG OR A TS.....SHE LOVES MEN!!!!.....HEY, TO EACH HIS OWN...GOD BLESS THE LESBO'S, NO SHADE IT JUST ISNT MY THING SEEING THAT SHIT....LIFE GOES ON FOR ME NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE ELSE DOES...HEY, I GOT FRIENDS THAT THINK THE TRANNY THING IS GROSS...DIFFERENT STROKES FOR DIFFERENT FOLKS


ive met some female, so called tranny chasers in my travels.. some of them would put a lot of the guys here to shame with their antics.... not to mention on the train...I would be with my girl and have to deal with these real aggressive butch lesbians and ts....they would basically act like I wasn't there..nice and crazy...some of them really deserved a beat down...I guess some people have no shame...

[TsJennifer]

I think many ts girls become lesbians because men put them thru hell and
there sick and tired of that man abusing them and beating the physically and mentally! It comes to a point were they don't trust men anymore and they start seeking to comfort and love of a women!

I have a lot of friends that are strippers and this is what I've gathered from most of them!

Jennifer Paris

[Mylon]

Tgirl on girl porn makes better porn anyway. Rock on.

[hwbs]

Tgirl on girl porn makes better porn anyway. Rock on.

i think u might be missing the point a little :lol:

[Fox]

PERSONALLY I CAN GIVE A FUCK WHAT ANYONE DOES WITH THIER SEXUALITY.....IF YOUR NOT WITH ME THEN I CAN CARELESSCo-sign :)

Tri-sign.

Why was this thread needed again? You'd think someone who likes transsexuals would have the thinking capacity to not pigeon-hole someone based on sexuality, but whatever.

[Beaner]

I think many ts girls become lesbians because men put them thru hell and
there sick and tired of that man abusing them and beating the physically and mentally! It comes to a point were they don't trust men anymore and they start seeking to comfort and love of a women!

I have a lot of friends that are strippers and this is what I've gathered from most of them!

Jennifer Paris

I'll agree. This is definitely the case for many Tgirls and GGs. That whole, I'm tired of men so I'll deal with women because they'll treat me better. I honestly hate that idealogy though, but whatever works for you I guess. In the end, we know they will go back to men because ultimately, that's who they want and that's okay. The problem comes when the games are played. Making it seem like it will be something more than it is. Just a simple spot filler for the right one.

I'm responding to your post specifically, because I'm sure there will be some who view what you said as logic for all. There are Tgirls and GGs who just legitimately have no romantic or sexual interest in men at all. Some are just strictly into women and/or Tgirls.

Those type of women are so boring and such a turn off.

[SarahG]

I am going to open up a can of worms but here goes. This is my observation and opinion of the TS scene since 1969. I will ad this, I have known over 1000 TS ladies. In the 60-80 and into the early 90's there were at least, not on the scene, many TS Lesbians per say. There were many Bi's but I knew of very few lesbians. The ladies that had SRS were really looking for the middle America life and just to be normal. Then all of a sudden every shrink in the world was a TS expert and started handing out the papers any male would need to cover the Dr's ass if he did surgery. Ever since then the number of TS lesibians is thru the roof. At least 5 times the national adverage. I mean post as well as pre-op.
You have to remember also many of the people calling themselves TS are just TV's and sick guys in panties trying to make there lifestyle legit.
We must remember many of the girls on the "porn" sites are "paid" lesbians it is not there lifestyle.
Now ANY male with the $$ can go to Thailand and get SRS or implants or any other surgery WITHOUT any paperwork. I know a few that did. Look at the TS's of today, not the ones on the sites but the ones on Springer or in the news or the one making people stop in there tracks at the mall. Heck there was even a New Orleans drag queen that caused a stir in the evacuation by using the female shower. He is a Drag Queen and a street hooker not a TS.
All of a sudden the beauty of Allanah, Gia and many others if corupted by the "dickless" men walking around. No man would want them so what is there left. Many find that even Lesbians find them to "manly" or repulsive so the rougher ones date each other.
There are many beautiful TS's that love men. I happen to have been with one for almost 6 years. But as long as these other creatures walk, talk, eat, and act as men the beautiful ones are thrown into the same group. The ladies we like do not belong there.
Once again the actions of a few have ruined it for the many.

I know I am coming into this thread a wee-bit late but I can not begin to agree with this statement.

The old system of gate-keeper gender clinics was a complete joke & disaster... I can not agree with any system that defines stuff like hrt availability based on stuff like shoe size, height etc... how many horror stories have we heard from the older girls who went threw that system and had to restart rle because "their shrink saw them in [girl] jeans and yelled at them for not wearing a skirt"?

As to orientation, I am bi but barely (prefer guys).

[ezed]

Those type of women are so boring and such a turn off.

How the fuck would you know their boring, none of them will talk to you, Romeo! Ask yourself why! ..... No, I retract the question, your honor, it's futile.

[ezed]

Those type of women are so boring and such a turn off.

How the fuck would you know their boring, none of them will talk to you, Romeo! Ask yourself why! ..... No, I retract the question, your honor, it's futile.

By the way .... na forget it, why am I arguing with a bar of soap. I'm the retard.

[sdman]

Why do tgirls go lesbo? I beleive that girls go with girls for the same reason they go with men Everyone wants to be loved In a world like today its hard to find love or affection everyone has an agenda and a lot of people are really selfish I was in a tg on tg relationship once It didnt work out I wasnt happy with the outcome but It was a very unique experience and I am now currently dating men It didnt work out for us but I think we had a few good times I am not opposed to being with a girl like myself again but not something I go out and look for and as for the the title lesbian transbian whatever I dont label myself either Labels are repressive I am many things Why did I ever go with another girl like myself? I like the idea of being with someone who might understand me a lil more than the average man the financial situation I am not looking to support anyone financially either It was different Hope that helps

but most of the time it's the guys who support the ts so I don't agree with this.

[Ecstatic]

Thanks for sharing your story, Sarah. That's really something, with your history of surgeries to correct disfigurements from birth and your interactions with various doctors. I hope things continue to go well for you as you proceed in your transition, whether you opt for SRS or not.

[blackmagic]

Why do tgirls go lesbo? I beleive that girls go with girls for the same reason they go with men Everyone wants to be loved In a world like today its hard to find love or affection everyone has an agenda and a lot of people are really selfish I was in a tg on tg relationship once It didnt work out I wasnt happy with the outcome but It was a very unique experience and I am now currently dating men It didnt work out for us but I think we had a few good times I am not opposed to being with a girl like myself again but not something I go out and look for and as for the the title lesbian transbian whatever I dont label myself either Labels are repressive I am many things Why did I ever go with another girl like myself? I like the idea of being with someone who might understand me a lil more than the average man the financial situation I am not looking to support anyone financially either It was different Hope that helps

but most of the time it's the guys who support the ts so I don't agree with this.

Not like you've actually provided anything valid to this forum. You don't need to agree. What world are you living in? Reality is obviously not your strong suit.

you know you said something wrong when she post :!:

[lisaparadise]

Why do tgirls go lesbo? I beleive that girls go with girls for the same reason they go with men Everyone wants to be loved In a world like today its hard to find love or affection everyone has an agenda and a lot of people are really selfish I was in a tg on tg relationship once It didnt work out I wasnt happy with the outcome but It was a very unique experience and I am now currently dating men It didnt work out for us but I think we had a few good times I am not opposed to being with a girl like myself again but not something I go out and look for and as for the the title lesbian transbian whatever I dont label myself either Labels are repressive I am many things Why did I ever go with another girl like myself? I like the idea of being with someone who might understand me a lil more than the average man the financial situation I am not looking to support anyone financially either It was different Hope that helpsok kayla all i can say is pick me pick me lol you made great points chicky as did vicki,when it comes to shemales getting it on with other shemales either for fun or serious relationships does it really matter to the boys renting us after all your only with us for an hr or so and we dont ask what you do when you drop your soap in the locker rooms after your games right,i know alot of ts that cringe at this topic and would never admit that they had lezbian relations and the more secure ones who would admit it and pass it off as no big deal i myself has had great sex with other top tgirls and loved it ,its not all about the sex act more like the intamacy and the connection

[Beaner]

Those type of women are so boring and such a turn off.

How the fuck would you know their boring, none of them will talk to you, Romeo! Ask yourself why! ..... No, I retract the question, your honor, it's futile.

Because I think they're boring. It's my damn opinion so shut up already!

[Beaner]

Those type of women are so boring and such a turn off.

How the fuck would you know their boring, none of them will talk to you, Romeo! Ask yourself why! ..... No, I retract the question, your honor, it's futile.

By the way .... na forget it, why am I arguing with a bar of soap. I'm the retard.

I do agree that you are a retard!

[lisaparadise]

Saying that I'm "bi" but mostly into guys" is really meaningless. Romantically, hands down, I do prefer guys. And I'm not interested at all in having an LTR, or even an STR, w/ another TS or a GG. But sex will always be a bridge that I'll cross when I come to it. I'm not pre-deciding whether or not I'll find someone attractive based soley on their genetalia. To me, an attractive person is just that: AN ATTRACTIVE PERSON. I know that some people will assume this means l'll "do anything that moves", but that's just bullshit. I'm pretty picky but, to me, variety is the spice of life.

I mean, let's get real. Who in their right mind would want to get fucked by someone who looked like, say... Larry King? Or Ted Koppel?! :shock: Ummm, no thanks. I'd take Christy Turlington or Angelina Jolie in a heartbeat over those two "men" anyday. ;) co-sign lol there is no shame in saying to anyone that i am attracted to beautifull shemales like thats a secret lol as for guys beating on the ladies well ive never heard of that actually but im sure its there,i have never dated anyone other then a gg and yet i have had sex with a few of the most beautifull shemales and loved every second of it.personal preferance is awesome it just wouldnt be right if we all liked the same thing,some people think im beautifull some people think im ugly its all good after all beautty is in the eye of the beholder and although i see beautty in everyone i quess i just see alittle more in a tgirl

[ARMANIXXX]

interesting read.