Girls Beware of escorting in Vegas

[Bob's Tgirls]

I know this topic has come up before, but here's a reminder.

A friend/model just called from Vegas after spending a day in jail. She was busted for prostitution. She had $1300 in cash on her which was confiscated. Her money was stolen by authorities in Vegas claiming she earned it illegally. They had no evidence of that.

The last time one of my models called me from jail in Vegas, another of my models was in there at the same time.

In the cases I mentioned here, the girls got busted via their ads in the Eros Guide. So it's not just a matter of LVPD going after those working the streets or casino floors. Their doing stings by calling ads.

From what I've heard over the past few years, Vegas is the least friendly major US city toward sex workers. So if you work in Vegas, be extra careful.

[saifan]

Terrible.
Doesn't LE have anything better to do?
And girls please be careful.
There are ways of knowing if you are dealing with a cop.

[sexyshana]

Chicago must be second least friendly.
My friend just got arrested here this past thursday. They kept her cell phone and laptop.

[Realgirls4me]

SCREEN.

SCREEN.

SCREEN, girls!

San Diego's finest supposedly can be that way also. They have been known to peruse and utilize Eros ads for their busts, and have actually stated publicly that the internet is their new play ground.

[Carlos]

Nah the money wasn't stolen. I would think the PD wouldn't need proof that the money was illegal its like busting a drug dealer with $5 grand on them. Don't expect the cash back.

[Celeste]

Screen? In Vegas? lmao! I dont think so. You can screen all you want. In Vegas, there are NO entrapment laws. They can say, or do anything they want, they go to you or have you come to them... And your still getting busted.

[tsntx]

:( geez


There are ways of knowing if you are dealing with a cop.


lol really? plz share

[NYTSJulie]

Chicago must be second least friendly.
My friend just got arrested here this past thursday. They kept her cell phone and laptop.

I know Eros doesn't put visiting on thumbnails for Chicago because they target the visiting girls mostly. I used to do Chicago a lot when I live in MN, probably visited 30 times or so. This was like 5 yrs ago and I never had a problem, I always did preferred placement and always stayed downtown at the same hotel (Marriott Residence Inn off Michigan Ave). I was there last yr and was told its a lot hotter now, so I stayed out by O'Hare to be safe, I didnt have any problems.

[NYTSJulie]

I know this topic has come up before, but here's a reminder.

A friend/model just called from Vegas after spending a day in jail. She was busted for prostitution. She had $1300 in cash on her which was confiscated. Her money was stolen by authorities in Vegas claiming she earned it illegally. They had no evidence of that.

The last time one of my models called me from jail in Vegas, another of my models was in there at the same time.

In the cases I mentioned here, the girls got busted via their ads in the Eros Guide. So it's not just a matter of LVPD going after those working the streets or casino floors. Their doing stings by calling ads.

From what I've heard over the past few years, Vegas is the least friendly major US city toward sex workers. So if you work in Vegas, be extra careful.

I worked Vegas once and it was the worst I have ever done in any city. I think you have to hit it when there is a convention or something? I have been back a few times and was there this summer but for fun not to work.

[thx1138]

Counterterrorism must be slow these days.

[TsJennifer]

Screen? In Vegas? lmao! I dont think so. You can screen all you want. In Vegas, there are NO entrapment laws. They can say, or do anything they want, they go to you or have you come to them... And your still getting busted.

Ive heard this as well. I have a gf of mine that had a cop come see her fuck her than arrest her and paraded her around the casino in her lingerie and took her to jail.

Ive hear CH is a tough city as well!

[Bob's Tgirls]

Chicago must be second least friendly.
My friend just got arrested here this past thursday. They kept her cell phone and laptop.

That's correct from what I've heard. I've been hearing about girls getting busted there for a few years also.

[saifan]

Terrible.
Doesn't LE have anything better to do?
And girls please be careful.
There are ways of knowing if you are dealing with a cop.

Whats better to do then your job.
Are you serious?
Hardly protecting and serving if you ask me.

[Bob's Tgirls]

Nah the money wasn't stolen. I would think the PD wouldn't need proof that the money was illegal its like busting a drug dealer with $5 grand on them. Don't expect the cash back.

In my opinion it is stolen. Just like LAPD confiscating a vehicle if a john picks up a prostitute. There is no due process of law, the car is simply taken away. If the owner wants it back, he can bid on it at auction. That is unconstitutional.

The punishment doesn't fit the crime. If you want to use the argument that the car was taken because it was used in the commission of a crime, then the police can take your car away for speeding.

[Bob's Tgirls]

I forgot to mention it earlier, but a friend was busted in Orange County this week. The San Fernando valley part of LA has been a hot spot for the past few years also. Most of the girls have moved out of the valley because of it.

[Ts CinthyaNY]

Chicago must be second least friendly.
My friend just got arrested here this past thursday. They kept her cell phone and laptop.

For the last 2 years LE been arresting girls int he Downtown area. They Take everything. My friend get arrested and they took me with her, my laptop, phones and money. It's getting really though there .

I find that the best area it's the O'Hare it's safer since it's off Cook County so it's better and all the hotels have a shuttle service to the airport or the downtown if you want to tour.

[Tika]

I hear if you work at a real job, none of this stuff happens. Easy money = big risks. Quit complaining, all of you choose this life and need to accept that you're going to be targeted as a result.

[alyssats]

goshhh I didnt know this kind of things happen

careful! careful! careful always!

so the Police even browse the Eros site?

[goldensamba]

Here's an idea.........don't be an escort....

[tsmandy]

I think times are hard pretty much everywhere in the sex industry. GG escorts and dommes from NYC are asking to rent my space in Portland because LE is cracking down (and has been evidently since Spitzer resigned) and they are sick of working in NYC.

Portland is pretty mellow (the cops tend to bust people at the seedy motels in the suburbs or on 82nd because those neighborhoods attract complaints) especially because right now our big controversy is the mayor fucking an 18 year old boy, so they are not focusing on the girls right now. Downside to that is the money sucks here.

Anyways, to all the people who feel the need to offer carreer advice, go fuck yourselves. There is a reason why my friends with masters degrees are asking me on a daily basis how to do sex work, and it isn't because its easy. The economy sucks and life is hard, we all do the best we can to get by, and you can go preach at church leave hungangels the fuck out of it.

Thanks for sharing the info Bob, girls.

[nicoleneuman24]

Im so scared! Im really thinking about moving out of chicago... People say that theyve been busting girls here for a long time, but ive been escorting for going on 2.5 years on and off and i guess ive just been really really lucky :( anyhow... be safe girls!

love nikki

[yodajazz]

Here's an idea.........don't be an escort....

Here's an idea...let people live their lives and enjoy themselves and have law enforcement concentrate on the people taking others life savings, and homes, and also reduding violence.

The more I think about it, it sounds like a way for police to skim extra cash from a vunerable, people from out of town. All it takes is some agreement within the Dept to share the bounty.

I have long felt that our society is too punishment oriented.

[goldensamba]

Here's an idea.........don't be an escort....

Here's an idea...let people live their lives and enjoy themselves and have law enforcement concentrate on the people taking others life savings, and homes, and also reduding violence.

The more I think about it, it sounds like a way for police to skim extra cash from a vunerable, people from out of town. All it takes is some agreement within the Dept to share the bounty.

I have long felt that our society is too punishment oriented.


Everyone is free to do as he or she chooses but they also know the risks involved wether I agree or not is an entirely different matter. If you know something is against the law and you continue to do it then you also know there is a chance you will get busted.

[SarahG]

Nah the money wasn't stolen. I would think the PD wouldn't need proof that the money was illegal its like busting a drug dealer with $5 grand on them. Don't expect the cash back.

In my opinion it is stolen. Just like LAPD confiscating a vehicle if a john picks up a prostitute. There is no due process of law, the car is simply taken away. If the owner wants it back, he can bid on it at auction. That is unconstitutional.

The punishment doesn't fit the crime. If you want to use the argument that the car was taken because it was used in the commission of a crime, then the police can take your car away for speeding.

And that's hardly the only time LAPD pulls that crap.

SoCal is well known for confiscating cars for "street racing", and what they (and now that its caught on; other departments across the US) will do with these cars is drive them around the streets, reving their engines at red lights etc hoping to get someone to play along. When that happens, they bust the other person for street racing- take their car... and its basically a scheme to get nicer cars for the police auctions.

"Street racing" however isn't always what you think it is, in practice "street racing" to these asshats is anyone in a "nice car" that happens to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. I had a department (not in SoCal) that tried (thankfully failed to succeed) to pull that with me, only I wasn't even doing the speed limit.

I have more stories about guns "disappearing" after being confiscated, cars used in "street racing" being set aside to be crushed [un-noticed by the car owner, the car was already stripped of its expensive parts by that point], and computers "going missing" just from people I know personally- to be unable to shrug it off as an "occasional breach of protocol"- the truth is that in some places it IS the protocol, either formally (as you talk about) or informally.

Due process? If we cared about due process, we wouldn't stand for people being thrown in jail for significant amounts of time (more than an overnight stay) for petty crimes prior to the DA getting a conviction. IMHO if someone does a week in jail prior to their day in court for a petty charge, and then gets found innocent- the reaction shouldn't be an "opps, we fucked up... sorry about that whole week in jail..." Yet it happens.

[yodajazz]

Here's an idea.........don't be an escort....

Here's an idea...let people live their lives and enjoy themselves and have law enforcement concentrate on the people taking others life savings, and homes, and also reduding violence.

The more I think about it, it sounds like a way for police to skim extra cash from a vunerable, people from out of town. All it takes is some agreement within the Dept to share the bounty.

I have long felt that our society is too punishment oriented.


Everyone is free to do as he or she chooses but they also know the risks involved wether I agree or not is an entirely different matter. If you know something is against the law and you continue to do it then you also know there is a chance you will get busted.

I understand what you are saying, but also laws and priorities do sometimes get changed. Right now the US locks up a higher percentage of people than any other developed nation. And then those people are still penalized after they have served their consequences from the legal system. All this in a nation which says it wants Christian values, but does not recognize forgivingness as a core Christian value.

[astridgirl]

hi

Sort of wondering about the other side of the coin being which cities and states hassle you the least when your doing escort work?

just wondering since I have done some "modeling" work in Chicago without placing ads on eros and just going through contacts on places I do cam work.

I am on the verge of a move and really on looking to expand my work but would like to go to an area where they arent so overzealous i guess.

If this is inappropriate for discussion from me(im a noobie on here) I apologize.

Interested in opinions though on the matter. Is L.A. good? Miami? DFW? Phoenix(which I would suspect not based on new laws they instituted)? umm Atlanta? etc.

thanks for the patience

Astrid

[GroobySteven]

Nah the money wasn't stolen. I would think the PD wouldn't need proof that the money was illegal its like busting a drug dealer with $5 grand on them. Don't expect the cash back.

In my opinion it is stolen. Just like LAPD confiscating a vehicle if a john picks up a prostitute. There is no due process of law, the car is simply taken away. If the owner wants it back, he can bid on it at auction. That is unconstitutional.

The punishment doesn't fit the crime. If you want to use the argument that the car was taken because it was used in the commission of a crime, then the police can take your car away for speeding.

Are you fucking serious? Your car can be confiscated for picking up a streetwalker?
What the fuck?
I'm moving.

[SarahG]

Nah the money wasn't stolen. I would think the PD wouldn't need proof that the money was illegal its like busting a drug dealer with $5 grand on them. Don't expect the cash back.

In my opinion it is stolen. Just like LAPD confiscating a vehicle if a john picks up a prostitute. There is no due process of law, the car is simply taken away. If the owner wants it back, he can bid on it at auction. That is unconstitutional.

The punishment doesn't fit the crime. If you want to use the argument that the car was taken because it was used in the commission of a crime, then the police can take your car away for speeding.

Are you fucking serious? Your car can be confiscated for picking up a streetwalker?
What the fuck?
I'm moving.

It can be confiscated for a lot of things. A guy who used to work with my dad lost his car because he brought "illegal fireworks" into the state from one of the neighboring states (where they are legal).

They claimed he could only possibly have a trunk full of fireworks if it was intent to sell them illegally, and took his car. He never say a penny for it. As I recall it was a brand new, fully loaded Buick. He ended up having to pay off the car loan never having seen the car again after that "routine traffic stop."

[bkeane77]

If you have a problem with escorts, why are you on here?

The TS stars have a right to spend quality time with their fans. And if those fans decide to compensate the TS stars with a donation or a gift, that is their choice and right to do so.

The laws and the vocabulary of entrapment is where the police and D.A. get to exercise their draconian punishments on these TS celebrities.

[SarahG]

I have long felt that our society is too punishment oriented.

"The aym of Punishment is not a revenge, but terrour."

[xrey]

For those who have been arrested, charged, and convicted of prostitution what is the sentence for the first second third etc ...? Is it primarily a financial hit that you take or is there usually a significant amount of jail time involved?

Cost of doing business?

[sugdaddie69]

I thought escorting was legal in Vegas?????

[fred41]

I think theyre doing a good job. If you cant do the time, don't do the crime. I hope more of these girls will get real jobs. Its sets a bad example to young kids in the area.

WTF..it's VEGAS..what "good" example is the area setting for kids...That gambling your life savings away is "good". Setting examples for kids is not what Las Vegas is about (tho sometimes they try that shit with their whole Theme park look)..It's Sin City..and prostitution belongs with Vegas like bacon belongs with eggs...

[2009AD]

I thought escorting was legal in Vegas?????

It's not... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Nevada

[SarahG]

If you cant do the time, don't do the crime.

There are a few things to say about that.

- Prostitution is not illegal everywhere in the US.

- If we were to really enforce the laws prohibiting prostitution, in places where it is illegal- think of the way it would change things even for "normal every day people." As far as the letter of the law is concerned, any exchange of sex for gifts, services, or assets would meet the definition of prostitution. That would make it, as far as the law is concerned, illegal for sex to occur at any time following an asset exchange.

Scenarios like: Sex after a girl accepts an engagement ring, Sex after a girl is bought dinner on a date... hell it would technically be illegal for a wife to have sex with her husband after receiving a gift of lingerie from her husband (not all couples combine their finances or assets).

The only reason why communities don't use the law to go after married couples who have sex after the wife receives a gift of lingerie is because it would show just how stupid and pointless these prostitution prohibitions really are.

[sugdaddie69]

I thought escorting was legal in Vegas?????

It's not... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Nevada

Thanks,appreciate your answer.

[SarahG]

double post

[SarahG]

I thought escorting was legal in Vegas?????

It's not... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Nevada

There is more to Nevada than Vegas.

As far as the state (Nevada) is concerned, prostitution under some situations is legal.

As far as the local city of Vegas is concerned, its not.

Local towns or cities can have separate laws from whatever a given state says all the time, on all kinds of issues.

[fred41]

sorry freddy its illegal

That's hardly the point is it? I thought it ridiculous that you could moralize prostitution arrests in an are like Las Vegas.

Las Vegas = setting a good example for kids...that's called an oxymoron.

There used to be (might even still exist in some areas) laws on the books against Sodomy. If you lived in an area like that ..would you go about your life following the letter of the law and being perfectly happy having your vanilla sex.while lauding the local law enforcement for "doing a good job"as they're carting away your neighbor in handcuffs for getting a blowjob..because - "Its sets a bad example to young kids in the area."

[SarahG]

If you cant do the time, don't do the crime.

There are a few things to say about that.

- Prostitution is not illegal everywhere in the US.

- If we were to really enforce the laws prohibiting prostitution, in places where it is illegal- think of the way it would change things even for "normal every day people." As far as the letter of the law is concerned, any exchange of sex for gifts, services, or assets would meet the definition of prostitution. That would make it, as far as the law is concerned, illegal for sex to occur at any time following an asset exchange.

Scenarios like: Sex after a girl accepts an engagement ring, Sex after a girl is bought dinner on a date... hell it would technically be illegal for a wife to have sex with her husband after receiving a gift of lingerie from her husband (not all couples combine their finances or assets).

The only reason why communities don't use the law to go after married couples who have sex after the wife receives a gift of lingerie is because it would show just how stupid and pointless these prostitution prohibitions really are.

marriage is not ONLY about sex.

Re-read my post. I never said anything regarding what "marriage is about"

Reality is, under prostitution prohibitions- it is illegal for a wife to have sex after receiving any kind of gift, such as lingerie... since that would be an exchange of goods & services.

I would HOPE most marriages are about more than sex. But the law could care less what a marriage is about. I would be very surprised if you could find a marriage license anywhere in the country that asks whether the couple applying for a marriage are in love with each other.

To say that "oh, because they're married... that changes things" isn't a valid argument. ANY exchange of goods, services, or assets for sex is prostitution under the letter of the law. Yet "normal" "good, law abiding citizens" engage in prostitution in this country every day... and the law turns a blind eye to it. Why? Because if the law was applied FAIRLY, and UNIVERSALLY then people would see it as the farce it is.

[lasvegaslex]

Boy I feel alot safer that the cops are busting escorts.....wow got jr. high kids smoking heroin...guys getting shot....home invasions....

[lasvegaslex]

And on a side note....this city is hurting for cash....schools are closing and teachers are getting laid off here....lets legalize escorting and regulate it and tax it....its a win win all around....

[lumberjack]

The casinos in LV do not want you spending your $ on escorts, they want you to drop your as much coin in their joints. Remember a couple years ago, the casinos were the ones behind the lapdance ban in strip clubs.

[justatransgirl]

Ok as "retired" escort emeritius if I may offer my experience... LOL Some of my statisticts are not exact, they are from memory and I'm not going to take the time tonight to double check them.

First of all, I don't think anyone has anything against LE going after pimped or trafficked girls, minors or anyone who feels exploited. However I believe LE would be better served by staying out of the private affairs of consenting adults interacting with one another by choice completely in private. If someone is fucking on a park bench - or hooking outside church on Sunday, by all means drag their ass to jail. Having consensual sex is not a crime and we don't need our morals policed.

You have to remember, if there is no "crime" the vice cops are going to get laid off from their cushy 6 figure jobs, so they have to create crime any way they can. And one way is to go after consenting adults making private arrangements online.

This mindset is promoted by media - how many sex programs do you see on TV every week? It seems every other cop show and MSNBC special is about sex. Why because SEX SELLS. And these people make MILLIONS exploiting girls in the sex industry. THEY are the criminals.

Some background. Over the past few years most girls have moved to the internet. Many exploited girls and minors are on the internet too. Hence LE has followed the business into cyberspace. In the early days of internet dating - the mid-late 90's. It was the grazing ground of top quality call girls and professional guys in technology fields, with plently of spending money. Then came Eros, TER, and CL, and the business boomed.

Then about 3 years ago every crack whore discovered she could post from a blackberry from her street corner and they brought their ghetto ways onto CL. The guys who used to cruise the blvd looking for cheap car sex started crusing CL - and the business went to hell.

The quality girls left CL, and went UTR now they are moving to private, screened, paid membership dating sites/clubs, and back to the traditional ways - meeting guys in the bar at high end hotels and through selected agencies.

The industry is evolving again. I believe we will see increased LE action online, and increased pressure against the sites that provide advertising. I won't be surprised to see a witch hunt like in the 1980's against porn.

Unfortunately when local areas do try to legalize prostitution they do it wrong. The movement in San Francisco failed because their spokesperson was an idiot, and because they were trying to legalize street sex. Nobody wants a crack head giving BJ's in their front yard. Had they tried to decriminalize internet sex conducted in private I believe it would have passed. Shouldda, wouldda, couldda.

Sigh,
TS Jamie :-)

[luv2playwithTgirls]

Ok as "retired" escort emeritius if I may offer my experience... LOL Some of my statisticts are not exact, they are from memory and I'm not going to take the time tonight to double check them.

First of all, I don't think anyone has anything against LE going after pimped or trafficked girls, minors or anyone who feels exploited. However I believe LE would be better served by staying out of the private affairs of consenting adults interacting with one another by choice completely in private. If someone is fucking on a park bench - or hooking outside church on Sunday, by all means drag their ass to jail. Having consensual sex is not a crime and we don't need our morals policed.

You have to remember, if there is no "crime" the vice cops are going to get laid off from their cushy 6 figure jobs, so they have to create crime any way they can. And one way is to go after consenting adults making private arrangements online.

This mindset is promoted by media - how many sex programs do you see on TV every week? It seems every other cop show and MSNBC special is about sex. Why because SEX SELLS. And these people make MILLIONS exploiting girls in the sex industry. THEY are the criminals.

Some background. Over the past few years most girls have moved to the internet. Many exploited girls and minors are on the internet too. Hence LE has followed the business into cyberspace. In the early days of internet dating - the mid-late 90's. It was the grazing ground of top quality call girls and professional guys in technology fields, with plently of spending money. Then came Eros, TER, and CL, and the business boomed.

Then about 3 years ago every crack whore discovered she could post from a blackberry from her street corner and they brought their ghetto ways onto CL. The guys who used to cruise the blvd looking for cheap car sex started crusing CL - and the business went to hell.

The quality girls left CL, and went UTR now they are moving to private, screened, paid membership dating sites/clubs, and back to the traditional ways - meeting guys in the bar at high end hotels and through selected agencies.

The industry is evolving again. I believe we will see increased LE action online, and increased pressure against the sites that provide advertising. I won't be surprised to see a witch hunt like in the 1980's against porn.

Unfortunately when local areas do try to legalize prostitution they do it wrong. The movement in San Francisco failed because their spokesperson was an idiot, and because they were trying to legalize street sex. Nobody wants a crack head giving BJ's in their front yard. Had they tried to decriminalize internet sex conducted in private I believe it would have passed. Shouldda, wouldda, couldda.

Sigh,
TS Jamie :-)

Fantastic post, Jamie. I am not a connoisseur of escorts like many on here, but I've certainly perused Eros often enough over the last several years. What I've always wondered is how many of those ads for the lesser known girls (i.e. not in porn) are actually LE trying to trap johns?

Also, I'm fascinated by the puritan facists running around HUNG ANGELS, fer christsake, acting like prostitution is morally offensive and there is some sort of 'sanctity' to their marriage even though they sit up until thier wives are asleep so they can log on and jerk off. Gimme a fucking break...

[justatransgirl]

BTW - if anyone needs a lawyer in Vegas contact me privately for a referral to a TS friendly attorney.

[Celeste]

Yeah... Metro goes IN. Last year, they brought over so many vice from LA, to crack down on prostitution. My friend said they were going to auctions, and getting a bunch of cars, to use as undercovers. Cracking down on streetwalkers, casino hustlers, agency hoes, eros and craigslist girls. They go to your apt, house, hotel.. or they have you come to them. GG and TS mostly.

Some of the girls that have moved here, got busted so many times, they moved back to wherever they are from. Some girls are in jail for A LONG TIME, prostitution with HIV/Aids.

*knocks on Wood* I have never been busted. Then again, I rarely advertise in Vegas. But being here for so long, Ive heard alot of stories! Outcalls to hotels, Ive heard - The guy was in his underwear, naked, stroking his cock, feeling her breast, she gave him head, asked her to find drugs, or find another girl, then bust her, the drug dealer, and her gf. They have confiscated, money, cell phones, this one girls truck. they will have like 10 people in the bathroom, and throw you in there, and wait for the next. Ive heard of girls showing up late to stings, when they were already over, and got caught knocking at the door, when noone was in there. and they seen her in the hall, and busted her. Another was so late, they were already going down stairs, as they were coming out of the elevator she was going in, and they got her too. Ive also heard of girls, getting their wigs taken off, or what have you, and paraded around the casino, like Jenn said. If they get you at your place, they interrogate you, and whoever is there. And if you dont have a REAL job, they will try to confiscate your things.

Ok Im getting tired, but those are a few of the stories, past to present. And like Bob said, someone just got popped this week. Well this wknd, is a busy weekend in Vegas, so lets hope, the girls play it safe!

Jenn. Jenn, Jenn... Youve been in Vegas this long!?! And we havent been out :cry: hehe... Was hoping to see you out and about for AVN!

[Celeste]

Double post

[mreef]

What about Rhode Island?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Rhode_Island

[Shining Star]

Confiscating Property:

Both the federal government, and local state laws allow for the seisure and foriture of property used in commiting a crime and or funds resulting from the same.

Originally passed in most cases as laws in response to the "drug wars", as always, LE has found other uses.

It is perfectly legal and does happen that a "john" will have his car impounded for trying to pick up a street hooker, and it will be held until there is a trail. If the case is decicded for the defendant, (not guilty by judge or jury, case thrown out of court), the man gets his car back. If on the other hand things go the other way, say bye-bye to that car.

Same for prossing. LE and DA's office will claim they need said property (cell phones, computers, etc), to prove what a hoe was up to. which is often where they obtain "client lists"

Hey, it is not just electronics LE takes; but condoms, lube, sex toys, and the lot. Anything they think will help prove a trial a person lured someone there for the purpose of engaging in sex for hire.

Sentences For Prossies:

Run the gamut. Have heard that in NYC, even first time offenders are getting jail time of a a week, to a few weeks, to several.

[Shining Star]

Confiscating Property:

Both the federal government, and local state laws allow for the seizure and forfeiture of property used in committing a crime and or funds resulting from the same.

Originally passed in most cases as laws in response to the "drug wars", as always, LE has found other uses.

It is perfectly legal and does happen that a "john" will have his car impounded for trying to pick up a street hooker, and it will be held until there is a trail. If the case is decided for the defendant, (not guilty by judge or jury, case thrown out of court), the man gets his car back. If on the other hand things go the other way, say bye-bye to that car.

Same for prossing. LE and DA's office will claim they need said property (cell phones, computers, etc), to prove what a hoe was up to. which is often where they obtain "client lists"

Hey, it is not just electronics LE takes; but condoms, lube, sex toys, and the lot. Anything they think will help prove a trial a person lured someone there for the purpose of engaging in sex for hire.

Sentences For Prossies:

Run the gamut. Have heard that in NYC, even first time offenders are getting jail time of a a week, to a few weeks, to several weeks. Repeat offenders can get time in months.

Entrapment:

Have warned before, one really has to learn the lay of the land before "touring" to strange cities when it comes to LE.

In some states/local areas, LE cannot get undressed, or fully undressed (naked), and or are allowed to touch the person of a suspected prostitute. Other areas, like Louisiana and in particular, New Orleans, LE can do pretty much as they please to make the bust. Get naked, touch, feel and probably have sex.

In NYC some girls simply will not take any money until after sex is over, or at least until the guy has in naked and doing his business for awhile. Of course, probably the safest route is to establish a list of solid regulars so to avoid taking on "new" customers who are strangers.

[Bob's Tgirls]

Nah the money wasn't stolen. I would think the PD wouldn't need proof that the money was illegal its like busting a drug dealer with $5 grand on them. Don't expect the cash back.

In my opinion it is stolen. Just like LAPD confiscating a vehicle if a john picks up a prostitute. There is no due process of law, the car is simply taken away. If the owner wants it back, he can bid on it at auction. That is unconstitutional.

The punishment doesn't fit the crime. If you want to use the argument that the car was taken because it was used in the commission of a crime, then the police can take your car away for speeding.

Are you fucking serious? Your car can be confiscated for picking up a streetwalker?
What the fuck?
I'm moving.

The policy was actually announced in the media prior to it taking effect. This started a few years ago. I haven't heard about it in a while. That policy may have been rescinded.

[Bob's Tgirls]

Nah the money wasn't stolen. I would think the PD wouldn't need proof that the money was illegal its like busting a drug dealer with $5 grand on them. Don't expect the cash back.

In my opinion it is stolen. Just like LAPD confiscating a vehicle if a john picks up a prostitute. There is no due process of law, the car is simply taken away. If the owner wants it back, he can bid on it at auction. That is unconstitutional.

The punishment doesn't fit the crime. If you want to use the argument that the car was taken because it was used in the commission of a crime, then the police can take your car away for speeding.

Are you fucking serious? Your car can be confiscated for picking up a streetwalker?
What the fuck?
I'm moving.

The policy was actually announced in the media prior to it taking effect. This started a few years ago. I haven't heard about it in a while. That policy may have been rescinded.

[Bob's Tgirls]

For those who have been arrested, charged, and convicted of prostitution what is the sentence for the first second third etc ...? Is it primarily a financial hit that you take or is there usually a significant amount of jail time involved?

Cost of doing business?

First arrest can be just an overnight in jail + a fine. Subsequent busts usually involve weeks, even months. If it was just a nominal fine, then the girls could write it off as a cost of doing business. But weeks in jail, can mean the loss of an apartment, missing a car payment, etc.

So we have a situation in which our "leaders" say we need more prisons, and let out violent criminals early, yet there is room to incarcerate prostitutes.

Then our "leaders" say we need more police on the streets. My answer to that is if they have enough police that they can waste man-power by having vice cops surfing the internet looking for sex ads and then setting up stings, then we have too many police on the payroll. We don't need to raise taxes to hire more cops. They need to be assigned to important tasks.

[Bob's Tgirls]

I think theyre doing a good job. If you cant do the time, don't do the crime. I hope more of these girls will get real jobs. Its sets a bad example to young kids in the area.

Let's analyze your statement (and other similar statements) about them getting real jobs.

Us guys in here love looking at our favorite transsexuals on websites, DVDs, in the clubs, etc. And we love having sex with them too.

Well how do you think the beautiful transsexuals get that way? The answer is costly surgeries and hormone therapy. At a minimum most of the "hot" girls have had at least breast implants and a nose surgery. A nominal price for the two is $10,000. Many times there are problems such that the implants have to be removed and a surgery later to put them back in. There's another 10k. Most girls will need a second nose surgery and adam's apple shaving. Let's say another $8000. Then there is silicone injections for the hips and butts. Those fine tushes rarely come naturally. Depending on how many treatments are needed let's just say another $5000.

I haven't even touched on hormone therapy. If a girl does it right and gets hormones prescribed by a doctor, there's his charges as well. You can figure a couple thousand per year for hormones.

So let's say all this was done over a 5 year period. You have a nominal cost of $43,000. They still have to pay rent & other normal expenses, buy makeup, wardrobe, etc.

Transsexuals are still discriminated against in the job market. College is not an option for most. They can't be in the military. They can't be cops. They can't be pro athletes. Some are illegal and can only get jobs that pay cash under the table. Good paying jobs are generally not available to them. They obviously can't afford all this working at Mc Donalds.

But there are men who fantasize about having sex with them so bingo, there you go.

So before making a simplistic statement such as get a real job, think a little deeper.

[Steffani]

I Thought escorting was a job, that its illegal doesn't make it less of one, just makes it that much more profitable / and viable, to us.

[kellyshore.net]

Well said Bob.

[mishadark]

I read somewhere that in the usa it was legal to shoot cops who arrest you for whoring.
self defence...thought he was gonna rape you...
Goddam unamerican if you ask me
(which you didn't)

We don't have those problems in the uk
as all the politicians here, fuck children
[google gordon brown +paedo +dunblaine + coverup]
& the cops are too busy covering that up.

Are your politicians paedos as well?

I had sex with tony blair & gordon brown, at the same time, for money
hes got a small willy. nice hair though...


in the uk the cunts are trying to bring in
a sweeden style law on whoring
many prozies will die.
carrie mitchell...english collective of prostitutes agrees with me
About the last bit, anyway.....

I hate new labour.
i hate all politicians

fuck them all

:shock:

[mishadark]

I hear if you work at a real job, none of this stuff happens. Easy money = big risks. Quit complaining, all of you choose this life and need to accept that you're going to be targeted as a result.

WANKER


Here's an idea.........don't be an escort....
ANOTHER WANKER


I think theyre doing a good job. If you cant do the time, don't do the crime. I hope more of these girls will get real jobs. Its sets a bad example to young kids in the area.
and rthis ones a mother fucking tosser...

fUCK YOU CUNTS
FFFFFFFUCK YOU

YOU HAVE NO IDEA

CISSEXUAL FUCKING SOCIETY
BURN THE WITCH....hundreds of years ago thats how we were viewed

We have to spend fucking tens of thousands to blend in & hide in your society
surgery hormones...etc.
You all just hate us
but still want to fuck us

dirty little secret

we whore to pay for surgery.
OK????

[unctrld1]

I hear if you work at a real job, none of this stuff happens. Easy money = big risks. Quit complaining, all of you choose this life and need to accept that you're going to be targeted as a result.

WANKER


Here's an idea.........don't be an escort....
ANOTHER WANKER


I think theyre doing a good job. If you cant do the time, don't do the crime. I hope more of these girls will get real jobs. Its sets a bad example to young kids in the area.
and rthis ones a mother fucking tosser...

fUCK YOU CUNTS
FFFFFFFUCK YOU

YOU HAVE NO IDEA

CISSEXUAL FUCKING SOCIETY
BURN THE WITCH....hundreds of years ago thats how we were viewed

We have to spend fucking tens of thousands to blend in & hide in your society
surgery hormones...etc.
You all just hate us
but still want to fuck us

dirty little secret

we whore to pay for surgery.
OK????


We all don't hate you. There are A@#holes in this world, but there are good people too.

I don't hate you. I am not a TS, but I understand discrimination and hate.

Live and let live.

[mishadark]

Littledick wrote:
I think theyre doing a good job. If you cant do the time, don't do the crime. I hope more of these girls will get real jobs. Its sets a bad example to young kids in the area.


Why all the nasty words MISHASHARK? I dont hate anybody. I've got love for everybody.

I hate anyone without a genuine avatar face photo
as its a PROVEN FACT that 98% of such men , with a name starting with the word "Little" are paedo's
{the clue is in the word "little"
AND OFFERING "LOVE" TO EVERYBODY....We know EXACTLY what you mean...}

Have you heard that as well?

[Bob's Tgirls]

I know plenty of ts or gay males that makes 6 figures a year that went to college. A hs degree is only good for so much. That goes for anybody.

When did this become a discussion about gay men? Transsexuals are much more discriminated against then gay men are in the US at least. Mainstream society has gotten fairly used to homosexuality, but transsexuality has not achieved anywhere near the same acceptance.

So name two transsexuals you know who make six figures in a mainstream job. I knew one who was an engineer when I worked for Boeing, but she was not one who would be sought after by the tranny lovers who hang out in this forum. She didn't make 6 figures either unless you count decimal points.

Of course there are always exceptions to any rule. There might even be some pretty transsexuals in high paying jobs, but not too many I'm sure.

Here's simple example. I was a class clown in high school. I was a smart & intelligent student, but mostly screwed up. I got A's in classes I liked such as electronics and autoshop and just did the minimum in other classes. My parents had no money to send me to college. Certainly no scholarship was possible. So I went into the military for 4 years, learned a trade that I used to get a career started on the outside. I then went to college at night while working full time and my employer paid the tuition.

There's a simple opportunity that even a gay man can have (as long as he is discreet) that a transsexual can not have. I'm sure others could list all kinds of scenarios in which a transsexual would not have the same opportunity as others.

This will probably be my last post on this subject as I think I'm beating a dead horse already. :deadhorse I just said that because I've been wanting to use that emoticon. :lol:

[DS-Kika]

In Vegas, we are trying to legalize prostitution. Right now its a problem because many hypocritical people say 'its bad' or 'its killing our society', then they go rob a person or something. Hopeful we can get the stupid people to realize that its not that bad and put a stop to the outrages we read in the 1st post. If you are living in vegas, just vote yes for it. If you are visiting take a minute to vote yes for it. Thank you. ^_^[/list]

[MELIKEYBONECAS]

.

In my opinion it is stolen. Just like LAPD confiscating a vehicle if a john picks up a prostitute. There is no due process of law, the car is simply taken away. If the owner wants it back, he can bid on it at auction. That is unconstitutional.

The punishment doesn't fit the crime. If you want to use the argument that the car was taken because it was used in the commission of a crime, then the police can take your car away for speeding.[/quote]

SAY WHAT ? :shock:
YOU ACTUALLY KNOW OF FRIENDS THAT HAVE HAD THIS
HAPPEN TO THEM ? IF SO , HOW MANY ?
MELIKEYBONECAS

[justatransgirl]

I was going to shut up on this thread but I can't stand some of these comments.

First of all, thank you Bob, for your valid and supportive comments about t-girls. You have my respect. (Well you always had that, but move it up one more notch please... LOL)



I know plenty of ts or gay males that makes 6 figures a year that went to college. A hs degree is only good for so much. That goes for anybody.

Excuuuse me... but there is a BIG difference between a GAY MALE and a transsexual GIRL. Yes there are lots of gay men who make loads of money. But gay men are treated in society as MEN. TS girls not only have to break the glass ceiling but also have to beat the trans thing.

I forget the figures offhand, but something like 48% of TS girls earn less than $15,000 a year and only 4% earn over $65,000. Hell, the median income in San Diego where I live is roughly $65,000 a year. A decent house with an ocean view STARTS at $850,000. Most TS's have NO chance outside of sex work.

I concede that a high school degree, or lack thereof makes a BIG income difference. This is a legitimate problem as many trans girls do not even have a HS diploma.

Yes, there are a few transsexuals who make good livings outside of sex work. There are a few who are doctors, airline pilots, nurses, computer programmers, etc. There are a handful who own businesses. But most of these people were successful prior to transition and transitioned later in life.

There are very few young transsexual women who transition early in life who achieve a great measure of financial success. It is VERY difficult for a young uneducated girl in transition, often estranged from family, often fighting drug and or mental issues, to survive financially, take remedial classes, go to school and succeed. But by the time they are 30, 50% of young trans women will be dead from violence, medical issues, suicide, etc.

And it's very simple math - do you work for $200 a hour or $8.50 a hour? Do you work for $20,000 a month - or $15,000 a year? Yes you probably won't die of AID's working at 7-11, but you might get shot in a robbery.

My partner and I are fortunate to be better off financially than the average T-girl. We are fortunate to still have our health. But 4 years ago we were broke and 3 days from the street, and we did what we had to do. (And it was fun, and we were really good at it... and met some great guys. LOL) Now we have income property and don't have to work anymore. My partner has one more year for her degree in physics and computer science. She should make close to 6 figures in a couple of years and with a little luck the rest of our lives will be pretty nice.

I know a former Eros girl who found a nice man, went back to school and is a cosmetologist. Another - a former SMY model, is pursuing a nursing career and should eventually earn a good living as an RN. So yes, it can be done. But we are exceptions to the rule.

And homophobic cops who arrest girls working over the Internet in private with consenting adults are not helping the girls. They are not saving anybody, all they are doing is making it more difficult for girls to move beyond sex work.

Maybe instead of putting girls in jail where they are abused, so they lose their homes, and have to work twice as hard to make up the lost income - maybe if the cops devoted their efforts to getting the girls job training, to helping them get decent housing so they don't have to have survival sex, so they don't get so depressed they do drugs and kill themselves.

Then maybe the cops would be doing something worthwhile. But that's not their job - their job is arrest people and ruin lives.

Sigh,
TS Jamie :-)

[SarahG]

I concede that a high school degree, or lack thereof makes a BIG income difference. This is a legitimate problem as many trans girls do not even have a HS diploma.

Or the school refuses to issue new diplomas (in the correct name) when a graduate is trans (happens more often than people think).


But most of these people were successful prior to transition and transitioned later in life.

I would agree with that.


take remedial classes, go to school and succeed.

Remedial classes? Remedial classes & secondary education are a moot point when discrimination against trans individuals is legal more times than not, and easy enough to get away with when not. An employer has to be a real idiot to not get away with trans discrimination, and employers almost always win when being sued by employees/former employees/ex-employees anyway.


I know a former Eros girl who found a nice man, went back to school and is a cosmetologist. Another - a former SMY model, is pursuing a nursing career and should eventually earn a good living as an RN. So yes, it can be done. But we are exceptions to the rule.

Even so, those exceptions usually aren't making 6 figures. Most non-trans cosmetologists & RN's don't make 6 figures... googling RN's I see their average income varies between $40-60k a year, about half of that "6 figure" range.



Then maybe the cops would be doing something worthwhile. But that's not their job - their job is arrest people and ruin lives.


Arresting people is not inherently a bad thing, it would not be hard to make a case that cops are worth having, or that the process of arresting people is worth having. However, there's a difference between having police for detaining violent criminals, and having them roam the communities as tax collection/revenue generators (i.e. speeding tickets, speed cams etc), propagandists (i.e. D.A.R.E.), or morals enforcers (self explanatory in this thread). It isn't particularly surprising that cops are used for those irrelevant purposes, after all even the name Sheriff comes from a European government job once solely used to provide for a paramilitary tax collection service (i.e. Robin Hood reference). IMHO if someone just shot to death a quickiemart store clerk in a botched robbery, it would be hard to argue that the cop was what ruined the shooter's life by arresting him for it, I would make the argument that the guy's life would already have to be pretty fucked up to begin with to shoot up a quickiemart clerk.

[vman2375]

I concede that a high school degree, or lack thereof makes a BIG income difference. This is a legitimate problem as many trans girls do not even have a HS diploma.

Or the school refuses to issue new diplomas (in the correct name) when a graduate is trans (happens more often than people think).


But most of these people were successful prior to transition and transitioned later in life.

I would agree with that.


take remedial classes, go to school and succeed.

Remedial classes? Remedial classes & secondary education are a moot point when discrimination against trans individuals is legal more times than not, and easy enough to get away with when not. An employer has to be a real idiot to not get away with trans discrimination, and employers almost always win when being sued by employees/former employees/ex-employees anyway.


I know a former Eros girl who found a nice man, went back to school and is a cosmetologist. Another - a former SMY model, is pursuing a nursing career and should eventually earn a good living as an RN. So yes, it can be done. But we are exceptions to the rule.

Even so, those exceptions usually aren't making 6 figures. Most non-trans cosmetologists & RN's don't make 6 figures... googling RN's I see their average income varies between $40-60k a year, about half of that "6 figure" range.



Then maybe the cops would be doing something worthwhile. But that's not their job - their job is arrest people and ruin lives.


Arresting people is not inherently a bad thing, it would not be hard to make a case that cops are worth having, or that the process of arresting people is worth having. However, there's a difference between having police for detaining violent criminals, and having them roam the communities as tax collection/revenue generators (i.e. speeding tickets, speed cams etc), propagandists (i.e. D.A.R.E.), or morals enforcers (self explanatory in this thread). It isn't particularly surprising that cops are used for those irrelevant purposes, after all even the name Sheriff comes from a European government job once solely used to provide for a paramilitary tax collection service (i.e. Robin Hood reference). IMHO if someone just shot to death a quickiemart store clerk in a botched robbery, it would be hard to argue that the cop was what ruined the shooter's life by arresting him for it, I would make the argument that the guy's life would already have to be pretty fucked up to begin with to shoot up a quickiemart clerk.nice to see ur still around

[SarahG]

I concede that a high school degree, or lack thereof makes a BIG income difference. This is a legitimate problem as many trans girls do not even have a HS diploma.

Or the school refuses to issue new diplomas (in the correct name) when a graduate is trans (happens more often than people think).


But most of these people were successful prior to transition and transitioned later in life.

I would agree with that.


take remedial classes, go to school and succeed.

Remedial classes? Remedial classes & secondary education are a moot point when discrimination against trans individuals is legal more times than not, and easy enough to get away with when not. An employer has to be a real idiot to not get away with trans discrimination, and employers almost always win when being sued by employees/former employees/ex-employees anyway.


I know a former Eros girl who found a nice man, went back to school and is a cosmetologist. Another - a former SMY model, is pursuing a nursing career and should eventually earn a good living as an RN. So yes, it can be done. But we are exceptions to the rule.

Even so, those exceptions usually aren't making 6 figures. Most non-trans cosmetologists & RN's don't make 6 figures... googling RN's I see their average income varies between $40-60k a year, about half of that "6 figure" range.



Then maybe the cops would be doing something worthwhile. But that's not their job - their job is arrest people and ruin lives.


Arresting people is not inherently a bad thing, it would not be hard to make a case that cops are worth having, or that the process of arresting people is worth having. However, there's a difference between having police for detaining violent criminals, and having them roam the communities as tax collection/revenue generators (i.e. speeding tickets, speed cams etc), propagandists (i.e. D.A.R.E.), or morals enforcers (self explanatory in this thread). It isn't particularly surprising that cops are used for those irrelevant purposes, after all even the name Sheriff comes from a European government job once solely used to provide for a paramilitary tax collection service (i.e. Robin Hood reference). IMHO if someone just shot to death a quickiemart store clerk in a botched robbery, it would be hard to argue that the cop was what ruined the shooter's life by arresting him for it, I would make the argument that the guy's life would already have to be pretty fucked up to begin with to shoot up a quickiemart clerk.nice to see ur still around

Thanks, what were you doing up so early on a sunday morning?

[tsntx]

good post jamie :D

[speck]

Jumping on this very late, but a few relevent things to ad......

First off, the car confiscation law in Los Angeles was overturned by the California Supreme court.

Under that law, the police could confiscate a car just on the suspicion that the person was engaged in one of a number of illegal activities. Then the guy would be offered a court hearing that was a CIVIL hearing, not a criminal one. So the burden of proof would be "preponderance of the evidence" not "beyond a reasonable doubt", as in a criminal trial. Its a bit difference as in a civil trial, you only have to have a standard of proof where it leans over 50% one way. In a criminal trial depending on who you talk to, the standard is more like 95-99%.

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jul/27/local/me-seizure27

Also someone asked about safe places where LE does not harshly enforce prostitution laws..........

The only place I know of in Los Angeles is in West Hollywood and that even has a few conditions. First, its extremely expensive to live there. Rents are high, and if you don't have a car its very hard to get anywhere else in Los Angeles. Second, you need to be really respectful. The sheriffs dept in West Hollywood will target girls if they get complaints from neighbors. Third, the streets are a no no. West Hollywood has worked very hard to get the girls off the street and close down the Yukon. Fourth, you need to be reasonable in your rates. I know a few really attractive ladies there who, at least in some advertising venues, keep their rate at $200. These are ladies who are attractive, accomodating, non rushed, full gfe, truly verstile(and a couple who are bottom only and very pretty). By keeping this rate, they guarantee mutiple repeat clients and minimize the safety risk to themselves. Most of these ladies have been in the area a very long time without attracting LE attention.

[Mr. Sinister]

It doesn't matter if you are in Chicago, New York, Los Angeles, or Las Vegas, as along as prostitution is illegal, clients and escorts will always be in danger from the Law Enforcement.

A city as liberal as San Francisco refuses to legalize prostitution. Clearly there is no hope for those of us who want it legalized.

YOU CAN PAY SOMEONE TO PERFORM SURGERY ON YOU, BUT YOUR GENITALS CAN'T TOUCH SOMEONE'S ELSE'S IF MONEY IS INVOVLED. WHAT A BUNCH OF CROCK!

[drock]

be careful anywhere you are

[Olivialove]

thats why i only do lunch or dinner with first timers or newbies first time just to get acquainted as friends... instead of rush rush business and get busted. LE will not waste their time over lunch dates or dinner or any kind of outings. they want to bust u now so they bust u with evidences.. DONT even talk about sex and money online with ones u dont even know..it can be used against u..always ask for referrals directly from other escorts. if they dont know the john dont go for it!. Avoid letting johns post reviews ... stick to ur regulars and trusted ones.. Use common senses and listen to ur first instinct ...
even if they dont wanna pay. u still have a new contact and friendship... its nice to have.
Mwahs