Whats with the annoying camera lenses used for Grooby vids?

[Goldenguinea]

Most of the Grooby vids I see are filmed with some weird "fish-eye" lens that distorts everything around the edges. It makes the vids look like crap and is annoying

[hondarobot]

:lol:

[sucka4chix]

I've only noticed it on Frank's! I mentioned it in another thread, but got no response. Guess everybody thinks it's cool, but it RUINS a video. It's very amateurish, but maybe they think it's creative, like when they turn the camera upside down so the couch is like it's on the wall ---- just shoot the scene. It's porn not Star Wars!

[tsntx]

just shoot the scene. It's porn not Star Wars!

idk the way some girls look youd think it was tho

[the_corner]

Sometimes the videos are shot in very small hotel / motel rooms.... you need a wide angle if you want to see something descent.... I bet thats why they use the fish eye so much... because of the locations.

Not everyone is kink.com that can have full studios, and the camera man is at good distance from the frame to shoot.... in some hotel rooms, having such distance that you can see the entire bed would imply basically stepping outside the room.... so solution? get a fish eye and have more stuff on frame.

[the_corner]

double post.

[sucka4chix]

Sometimes the videos are shot in very small hotel / motel rooms.... you need a wide angle if you want to see something descent.... I bet thats why they use the fish eye so much... because of the locations.

Not everyone is kink.com that can have full studios, and the camera man is at good distance from the frame to shoot.... in some hotel rooms, having such distance that you can see the entire bed would imply basically stepping outside the room.... so solution? get a fish eye and have more stuff on frame.
'Fraid not! Can't agree with that, because in Frank's case his vids start out fine and normal, then for no reason it's like I'm peeping thru a peephole (usually just when I'm getting a boner, causing me to turtle, lol)Did the room suddenly change? Doubt it!

[fitz207]

Yes it can be very annoying. If they want to be creative, i wish they would do more public shoots. I made some screens of one of the annoying fish eyed shoots.

[GroobySteven]

Yeah I agree I don't care for that look either and I'm fairly sure that Frank is the only photographer that over-uses it (we have it on occasional scenes on some of the Brazilian sites.
The reason it is used at all, is it's the only way to get the cock, the face, the feet, all fitted in - so often they'll do that as one of the cumshot camera angles and edit it with a wider shot.

Thanks for the feedback, I'll mention it to the photographers in my email to them all for changes in 2009.

[GroobySteven]

just shoot the scene. It's porn not Star Wars!

idk the way some girls look youd think it was tho

Yeah, even some of the sets that we removed of models out of courtesy ...

[Goldenguinea]

Yeah I agree I don't care for that look either and I'm fairly sure that Frank is the only photographer that over-uses it (we have it on occasional scenes on some of the Brazilian sites.
The reason it is used at all, is it's the only way to get the cock, the face, the feet, all fitted in - so often they'll do that as one of the cumshot camera angles and edit it with a wider shot.

Thanks for the feedback, I'll mention it to the photographers in my email to them all for changes in 2009.

I call Bullshit on this one. Ocasional my ass. More like the other way around. Most of the vid is shot with the weird lens with the occsional normal lens editted in. Id say at least 75% of the vids are shot that way

[GroobySteven]

Yeah I agree I don't care for that look either and I'm fairly sure that Frank is the only photographer that over-uses it (we have it on occasional scenes on some of the Brazilian sites.
The reason it is used at all, is it's the only way to get the cock, the face, the feet, all fitted in - so often they'll do that as one of the cumshot camera angles and edit it with a wider shot.

Thanks for the feedback, I'll mention it to the photographers in my email to them all for changes in 2009.

I call Bullshit on this one. Ocasional my ass. More like the other way around. Most of the vid is shot with the weird lens with the occsional normal lens editted in. Id say at least 75% of the vids are shot that way

I'm calling bullshit on you. I've stated that Frank's site has too much of the fisheye but it is NOT most of the video, the Brazilian sites less - and Shemale Yum, Black Tgirls, Shemale Japan, etc practically none.
As I said, thanks or the feedback, we'll address it - but keep your comments in the realms of fact, not fiction.

[addicted]

I like the fishlens close up, keep using it

[Goldenguinea]

Yeah I agree I don't care for that look either and I'm fairly sure that Frank is the only photographer that over-uses it (we have it on occasional scenes on some of the Brazilian sites.
The reason it is used at all, is it's the only way to get the cock, the face, the feet, all fitted in - so often they'll do that as one of the cumshot camera angles and edit it with a wider shot.

Thanks for the feedback, I'll mention it to the photographers in my email to them all for changes in 2009.

I call Bullshit on this one. Ocasional my ass. More like the other way around. Most of the vid is shot with the weird lens with the occsional normal lens editted in. Id say at least 75% of the vids are shot that way

I'm calling bullshit on you. I've stated that Frank's site has too much of the fisheye but it is NOT most of the video, the Brazilian sites less - and Shemale Yum, Black Tgirls, Shemale Japan, etc practically none.
As I said, thanks or the feedback, we'll address it - but keep your comments in the realms of fact, not fiction.

You want my fiction? Out of 31 vids shot between July and mid Aug 2008 for Brazilian TS only 8 were made with no fish eye camera. And contrary to your statement regarding the fish eye lense being used to show face cock and feet most of the shots are close ups of the girl's face or cock.

Look at these vids for your self:

raf_claBRZ_HQ
mar_cimBRZ001_HQ
capBRZ_HQ
car_venBRZ001_HQ
gis_araBRZ001_HQ
ali_danBRZ_HQ
gis_ara_edi_junBRZ_HQ
raf_lai_sanBRZ_HQ
raf_bowBRZ001_HQ
dud_litBRZ001_HQ
kar_isaBRZ001_HQ
gis_pat_BRZ_HQ
lor_smi_sab_cherBRZ_HQ
fab_marBRZ001_HQ
lua_araBRZ001_HQ
sar_evyBRZ001_HQ
sam_davBRZ001_HQ
nan_bonBRZ_HQ
gab_dumBRZ001_HQ
tat_pauBRZ_HQ
lor_foxBRZ001_HQ
kan_zanBRZ001_HQ
fab_coltBRZ001_HQ
nic_marBRZ001_HQ
car_rafBRZ_HQ
let_topBRZ_HQ
ale_ribBRZ001_HQ
tam_bitBRZ001_HQ
sab_vieBRZ001_HQ
tha_sch_ferBRZ_HQ

I cant tell stats for the other sites as I lost all my vids in ahard drive crash and Franks and Brazilain TS were the only 2 sites I have subscribed to again so far.

[Buddy Wood]

lol. So you never even had memberships to other Grooby sites - yet your original post was a general statement about ALL Grooby clips. Grooby has a lot of fucking video clips man.

I was gonna say I shoot A LOT of content for Yum and I've never used a fish-eye lens. However when used properly and sparingly I think they can be great.

Chill out man. Seanchai said he's not a fan either and is gonna get them to cut back. The proper response would be "Cool..thanks a lot. Appreciate the response." Instead your on a weird mission?

Have some more champagne and join Yum...very little scary fish-eye.

[Goldenguinea]

lol. So you never even had memberships to other Grooby sites - yet your original post was a general statement about ALL Grooby clips. Grooby has a lot of fucking video clips man.

I was gonna say I shoot A LOT of content for Yum and I've never used a fish-eye lens. However when used properly and sparingly I think they can be great.

Chill out man. Seanchai said he's not a fan either and is gonna get them to cut back. The proper response would be "Cool..thanks a lot. Appreciate the response." Instead your on a weird mission?

Have some more champagne and join Yum...very little scary fish-eye.

Ive had memberships to all of Grooby's sites except for Shemales from Hell and Joey Silvera. If you re-read my post I said since my hard drive crash I have only subscribed to Brazilian and Frank's. Before my HD crash I had prob 80% of the vid clips from all the sites. I remember seeing it on vids from multiple sites but the Brazilian one was the only one I could back up with file names.

And I only get on a "weird mission" when someone says I'm a liar

[tsntx]

just shoot the scene. It's porn not Star Wars!

idk the way some girls look youd think it was tho

Yeah, even some of the sets that we removed of models out of courtesy ...


i was the first to say that was a fag in drag

dont act for a second that i wasnt

it was one of my first posts


i have no beef w/ you or anything to do w/ you so cut the attitude w/ me that youve been throwing

[GroobySteven]

And I only get on a "weird mission" when someone says I'm a liar

So do I. My original point and statement stand.

[sucka4chix]

I have had memberships on most of the Grooby sites and the only one that sticks out and literally GIVES ME A HEADACHE is Frank's. That lens honestly kept me from renewing---honestly.

[Danielle Foxx]

There are ways to angle the camera so to get the whole girl in it. Those to me look as if they are vidcaps that were squeezed to a lower size screen setting. But if Steven says they are digital pictures then he knows better cause its his content.

Steven, are those vid caps or pictures - cause there would be a big difference...

If the fish eye is used in a more expressive creative way it could work. Sorta like "Guy knocks on door, TS looks through the peep hole to see who it is " vs vs.

It sometimes seems photographers that get payed a shit load of money are usually not as creative. They produce content well enough but never push the limits.

Porn doesn't have to be just to the point - Seems when someone tries something a bit different the fans always jump on their throats.

Let's try to encourage creativity and uniqueness because that is how the great content is made. I like porn with a certain visual difference. Similarly to the Japanese culture, which states that food should look as good as it tastes - so should porn.

A dash of creativity allows the viewer to digest the fantasy a little bit better.

Ohhhh and Drink More Wine! Happy New Year

[hondarobot]

There are ways to angle the camera so to get the whole girl in it. Those to me look as if they are vidcaps that were squeezed to a lower size screen setting. But if Steven says they are digital pictures then he knows better cause its his content.

Steven, are those vid caps or pictures - cause there would be a big difference...

If the fish eye is used in a more expressive creative way it could work. Sorta like "Guy knocks on door, TS looks through the peep hole to see who it is " vs vs.

It sometimes seems photographers that get payed a shit load of money are usually not as creative. They produce content well enough but never push the limits.

Porn doesn't have to be just to the point - Seems when someone tries something a bit different the fans always jump on their throats.

Let's try to encourage creativity and uniqueness because that is how the great shit is made. I like porn with a certain visual difference. Similarly to the Japanese culture, which states that food should look as good as it tastes - so should porn.

A dash of creativity allows the viewer to digest the fantasy a little bit better.

Ohhhh and Drink More Wine! Happy New Year

I agree with everything Danielle posted.

[sucka4chix]

There are ways to angle the camera so to get the whole girl in it. Those to me look as if they are vidcaps that were squeezed to a lower size screen setting. But if Steven says they are digital pictures then he knows better cause its his content.

Steven, are those vid caps or pictures - cause there would be a big difference...

If the fish eye is used in a more expressive creative way it could work. Sorta like "Guy knocks on door, TS looks through the peep hole to see who it is " vs vs.

It sometimes seems photographers that get payed a shit load of money are usually not as creative. They produce content well enough but never push the limits.

Porn doesn't have to be just to the point - Seems when someone tries something a bit different the fans always jump on their throats.

Let's try to encourage creativity and uniqueness because that is how the great shit is made. I like porn with a certain visual difference. Similarly to the Japanese culture, which states that food should look as good as it tastes - so should porn.

A dash of creativity allows the viewer to digest the fantasy a little bit better.

Ohhhh and Drink More Wine! Happy New Year

I agree with everything Danielle posted.
I don't. First off these are vids, not pics. Secondly, even if this started out being expressive, after the 700th time it's neither creative or unique. Third, you can make beautiful porn if you like (even though it's a waste of $$$), without using cheesy effects. If you want to make a storyline, it's fine to use any effect you think will win you an academy award,WHILE TELLING THE STORY, but leave the fucking alone. I don't need or want a kaleidoscope or split screen or some crazy exposure effect. Porn is not like normal films. Guys USE porn. And in order to use it, it needs to be clear and viewable--- like you are actually there. If you wanna make a sensual, artsy film great, but understand that's NOT porn. And finally, folks need to know their audience--- men and women differ widely on what good porn is!!! 9 times outta 10 a guy is gonna fast forward past the "creative" stuff to get to the part that gets him off! Especially on a website--- who the hell is buying harddrives and using download programs to see art??? Trust me, a guy that has a computer full of porn wants something to make him cum, not something to make him appreciate the color scheme or other trivialities. Half of these sites most of us can't even speak the models language... if we don't care about that, we surely don't care about your cinematography prowess. I'll tell you what impresses me--- it impresses me that a girl can do a scene for Joey and be harder and more functional than in other productions. It impresses me when a girl is really sexual, not boring. It impresses me when a cameraman/director can get a pose that is incredibly sexy and different. That's the creativity we need. Instead of every girl lying on her back and jacking furiously, think of something different. But special effects have little place in fuck SCENES!

[arnie666]

There are ways to angle the camera so to get the whole girl in it. Those to me look as if they are vidcaps that were squeezed to a lower size screen setting. But if Steven says they are digital pictures then he knows better cause its his content.

Steven, are those vid caps or pictures - cause there would be a big difference...

If the fish eye is used in a more expressive creative way it could work. Sorta like "Guy knocks on door, TS looks through the peep hole to see who it is " vs vs.

It sometimes seems photographers that get payed a shit load of money are usually not as creative. They produce content well enough but never push the limits.

Porn doesn't have to be just to the point - Seems when someone tries something a bit different the fans always jump on their throats.

Let's try to encourage creativity and uniqueness because that is how the great shit is made. I like porn with a certain visual difference. Similarly to the Japanese culture, which states that food should look as good as it tastes - so should porn.

A dash of creativity allows the viewer to digest the fantasy a little bit better.

Ohhhh and Drink More Wine! Happy New Year

I agree with everything Danielle posted.
I don't. First off these are vids, not pics. Secondly, even if this started out being expressive, after the 700th time it's neither creative or unique. Third, you can make beautiful porn if you like (even though it's a waste of $$$), without using cheesy effects. If you want to make a storyline, it's fine to use any effect you think will win you an academy award,WHILE TELLING THE STORY, but leave the fucking alone. I don't need or want a kaleidoscope or split screen or some crazy exposure effect. Porn is not like normal films. Guys USE porn. And in order to use it, it needs to be clear and viewable--- like you are actually there. If you wanna make a sensual, artsy film great, but understand that's NOT porn. And finally, folks need to know their audience--- men and women differ widely on what good porn is!!! 9 times outta 10 a guy is gonna fast forward past the "creative" stuff to get to the part that gets him off! Especially on a website--- who the hell is buying harddrives and using download programs to see art??? Trust me, a guy that has a computer full of porn wants something to make him cum, not something to make him appreciate the color scheme or other trivialities. Half of these sites most of us can't even speak the models language... if we don't care about that, we surely don't care about your cinematography prowess. I'll tell you what impresses me--- it impresses me that a girl can do a scene for Joey and be harder and more functional than in other productions. It impresses me when a girl is really sexual, not boring. It impresses me when a cameraman/director can get a pose that is incredibly sexy and different. That's the creativity we need. Instead of every girl lying on her back and jacking furiously, think of something different. But special effects have little place in fuck SCENES!

totally agree .I even hate it when before the action starts there is some corny storyline or the girl talks about herself or poses.It all looks terribly fake and false and you can tell the girl is going through the motions. I want to see a good hard shag, I don't want fancy screen effects , I also don't like everything as a bloody close up either, you see some guys arse and ball sack pumping away, I want to see the girl and even better her face and mannerisms as she is being fucked . Iam talking about porn generally here btw that grooby in particular. Just saying what as someone who uses porn wants from the scenes.

If I have paid for a membership I don't want to see shite dialogue before the shagging starts.

[tsntx]

i think vids should be 9 out of 10x just fucking
1 should be a good artfully done story

pics however should ALWAYS be done beautifully

i hate seeing such tacky, bad angled, poor lighting, bad hair / makeup, un-retouched pics

women should always be beautiful... even when they arent and especially when they are being objectified

[Solitary Brother]

I have complained about this(about straight porn) many times.
There is really nothing you can do except stop buying the product because most of the time the company DOESNT change the way it shoots.
People need to understand that the person with the video camera in his hands IS the most important person in the process.
He or she is more important than the principals being shot or the set or the makeup or the location or the editor.
They make or break the movie.
Some people are very creative when they shoot and are very skilled but most arent.
I think Rodney Moore and Joey Silvera shoot tranny porn better than anyone and get great angles and shoot what the viewer wants to see most of the time.
But this is a skill people.....really it is.
Most companies that crank out loads of titles are absolutely terrible at shooting porn.

[GroobySteven]

Thanks for the feedback everyone. I'll address this with Frank over the weekend as well as the Brazilian sites as I'm not very ennamoured by the fish eye either (yes it is video Danielle). I think one of two photos per set would be acceptable but not as a major part of the video.
I stand by my original point that this is not on Shemale Yum, Black-Tgirls, Shemale Japan etc. and Buddy Wood, Tony Vee, Dirty South, Remy, PK Vegas, etc are excellent at both photos and video and have never used a fish eye - they account for 90% of the content on those sites.

Frank's technical and most of his creativity on camera skills are second to none but he does seem to have got carried away with the fish eye.

Solitary Brother - we've adapted out sites and shooting styles many times over the years specifically on feedback from members. Some sites / production companies may not listen, Grooby does and if it's decided that's how the majority of the members want something, we try to tailor it to them. This is also why we're one of the few companies to be publicly accessible on forums such as this and on our sites.

Jen - most of the tgirls I know love to see retouched photos of other girls or themselves - however, this isn't the most sellable type of porn. We retouch lightly but we present the models how they are. That's our business - other sites may do different - our style is working for us and our members.

Thanks all.
Drinking the vino Danielle, thanks!

[fitz207]

Thanks for the feedback everyone. I'll address this with Frank over the weekend as well as the Brazilian sites as I'm not very ennamoured by the fish eye either (yes it is video Danielle). I think one of two photos per set would be acceptable but not as a major part of the video.
I stand by my original point that this is not on Shemale Yum, Black-Tgirls, Shemale Japan etc. and Buddy Wood, Tony Vee, Dirty South, Remy, PK Vegas, etc are excellent at both photos and video and have never used a fish eye - they account for 90% of the content on those sites.

Frank's technical and most of his creativity on camera skills are second to none but he does seem to have got carried away with the fish eye.

Solitary Brother - we've adapted out sites and shooting styles many times over the years specifically on feedback from members. Some sites / production companies may not listen, Grooby does and if it's decided that's how the majority of the members want something, we try to tailor it to them. This is also why we're one of the few companies to be publicly accessible on forums such as this and on our sites.

Jen - most of the tgirls I know love to see retouched photos of other girls or themselves - however, this isn't the most sellable type of porn. We retouch lightly but we present the models how they are. That's our business - other sites may do different - our style is working for us and our members.

Thanks all.
Drinking the vino Danielle, thanks!
Yes Tony and PK are the best at catching all of the girl. So many camera guys cut off the girls head. Tony is a veteran, and PK has got a lot of skill with the video camera. He keeps his hands out of the video and only talks to the girls before and after the main shoot, very professional.

[Louie Damazo]

Just a feedback

Yes i did it for some time because looked a nice option for do better stuff for customers but after some time i understand some critics about strange distortions (that i agree) and i just stop it.

I dont make it for almost 6 months because i saw the problems. Customers are our bosses and i listen them. Pretty Simple

When we try that is for increase what we offer, some times ideas works others no. Important is we hear customers feedbacks and follow directions for please them.

L D

[fitz207]

So many cameramen have a problem shooting the girls facial expression at the time orgasm. I'm not that interested in the cumshot as much as am in her facial expression during orgasm. closeups of cocks are not needed so much. A sample vidcap from PK. This is why he has a future in the business.

[Louie Damazo]

So many cameramen have a problem shooting the girls facial expression at the time orgasm. I'm not that interested in the cumshot as much as am in her facial expression during orgasm. closeups of cocks are not needed so much. A sample vidcap from PK. This is why he has a future in the business.

Thats why i use 2 cams

Some guys REALLY enjoy the ejaculation, others like see models face and ejaculation. I can please all doing with 2 cams and NO MORE Fish Eye len ;)

[fitz207]

So many cameramen have a problem shooting the girls facial expression at the time orgasm. I'm not that interested in the cumshot as much as am in her facial expression during orgasm. closeups of cocks are not needed so much. A sample vidcap from PK. This is why he has a future in the business.

Thats why i use 2 cams

Some guys REALLY enjoy the ejaculation, others like see models face and ejaculation. I can please all doing with 2 cams and NO MORE Fish Eye len ;)
2 cams are always welcomed, that way you miss nothing.

[Louie Damazo]

Thats idea man

Remember that we introduce it years ago and customers gave us great feedbacks thats why we keep

Talk with us is great EXACT for this. Stop what u guys dont like and keep what please u. Trust me, we are listen

L D

[LBCDO]

Seanchai took a very VERY good position on the situation. As a professional photographer I realize that it isnt the easiest thing in the world to take pictures that EVERYONE is happy with, so you have to shoot with reguards to what you think that a majority of people find your pictures apealing. Its already been said that the fish eye was used to get a shot that included feet, cock, ass, face, the whole package LOL. Don't blame the photog for trying something different, and it didnt work out. Cool. Its getting rectified, so leave it be


Anyway, I have found that [even though it sounds ass backwards in theory] that using a wide macro lense has given me a wider shot and it gives a very small amount of distortion around the edges. I dont know sh*t about shooting video, so maybe that wouldnt help.

I can also vouch for Grooby being one of few places that the customers get what they want. Anyone remember the slow motion cum shots? LOL

[LBCDO]

Seanchai took a very VERY good position on the situation. As a professional photographer I realize that it isnt the easiest thing in the world to take pictures that EVERYONE is happy with, so you have to shoot with reguards to what you think that a majority of people find your pictures apealing. Its already been said that the fish eye was used to get a shot that included feet, cock, ass, face, the whole package LOL. Don't blame the photog for trying something different, and it didnt work out. Cool. Its getting rectified, so leave it be


Anyway, I have found that [even though it sounds ass backwards in theory] that using a wide macro lense has given me a wider shot and it gives a very small amount of distortion around the edges. I dont know sh*t about shooting video, so maybe that wouldnt help.

I can also vouch for Grooby being one of few places that the customers get what they want. Anyone remember the slow motion cum shots? LOL

[Louie Damazo]

Seanchai took a very VERY good position on the situation. As a professional photographer I realize that it isnt the easiest thing in the world to take pictures that EVERYONE is happy with, so you have to shoot with reguards to what you think that a majority of people find your pictures apealing. Its already been said that the fish eye was used to get a shot that included feet, cock, ass, face, the whole package LOL. Don't blame the photog for trying something different, and it didnt work out. Cool. Its getting rectified, so leave it be


Anyway, I have found that [even though it sounds ass backwards in theory] that using a wide macro lense has given me a wider shot and it gives a very small amount of distortion around the edges. I dont know sh*t about shooting video, so maybe that wouldnt help.

I can also vouch for Grooby being one of few places that the customers get what they want. Anyone remember the slow motion cum shots? LOL

Thats what i was talking about

We tryed different ideas, some doesnt work and we listen u giving up that.

About Slow Motion i still have who likes and who dont then i keep it in strong ones only

;)

L D

[tsntx]

Jen - most of the tgirls I know love to see retouched photos of other girls or themselves - however, this isn't the most sellable type of porn. We retouch lightly but we present the models how they are. That's our business - other sites may do different - our style is working for us and our members.

Thanks all.
Drinking the vino Danielle, thanks!

i was talking in general more then anything

i prefer the way playboy shoots and presents its product over the way oui does/did

but i think in the ts industry... some girls REALLY need that extra artistic touch... and if a company isnt willing to alter features to be more flattering they should work w/ photographers that understand angles, lighting, and makeup

or at least encourage they learn

[tsntx]

Jen - most of the tgirls I know love to see retouched photos of other girls or themselves - however, this isn't the most sellable type of porn. We retouch lightly but we present the models how they are. That's our business - other sites may do different - our style is working for us and our members.

Thanks all.
Drinking the vino Danielle, thanks!

i was talking in general more then anything

i prefer the way playboy shoots and presents its product over the way oui does/did

but i think in the ts industry... some girls REALLY need that extra artistic touch... and if a company isnt willing to alter features to be more flattering they should work w/ photographers that understand angles, lighting, and makeup

or at least encourage they learn

[GroobySteven]

Jen - most of the tgirls I know love to see retouched photos of other girls or themselves - however, this isn't the most sellable type of porn. We retouch lightly but we present the models how they are. That's our business - other sites may do different - our style is working for us and our members.

Thanks all.
Drinking the vino Danielle, thanks!

i was talking in general more then anything

i prefer the way playboy shoots and presents its product over the way oui does/did

but i think in the ts industry... some girls REALLY need that extra artistic touch... and if a company isnt willing to alter features to be more flattering they should work w/ photographers that understand angles, lighting, and makeup

or at least encourage they learn

Not sure who "oui" is? Playboy had very little wankability which is why Hustler really knew how to do it. It's also why the Hustler brand is probably stronger now than Playboy is and why Playboy is losing so much money.
I love artistic nudes ... but that's completely different business from erotica/porn. Our photographers work to get the best from the models in all terms - and that includes a light touch up but it's not about the models per se but about what the customers are looking for.

[michneo]

i love that camera waat do you mean

[circ]

Oh my god that looks horrible. My suspicion is that whoever shot that was just trying to make the girls appear 'bigger'. Why else use something that distorts and gives a lot of its viewers headaches. What's next? Cloverfield Tgirls?

[PK Vegas]

So many cameramen have a problem shooting the girls facial expression at the time orgasm. I'm not that interested in the cumshot as much as am in her facial expression during orgasm. closeups of cocks are not needed so much. A sample vidcap from PK. This is why he has a future in the business.

I just came across this thread . . .

Thanks for the kind words and positive feedback on my work!!!

PK Vegas!!!