HungAngels in prison?

[CaptainGeech]

This isnt the title of a late night skinemax movie that im sure many of us would watch. But rather a question about what would happen if a TS committed a serious crime and went to prison. Not jail mind you. Prison. For an extended period of time (several years).

Not just any TS girl either but someone who is not only passable but ridiculously good looking (example: Jennifer Paris). I'm not talking about the "ladies" who look like Marvin Hagler in a wig. Rather girls with breast implants and other cosmetic work done but still sporting Captain Winkie between there legs.

Would they be sent to the womens prison or the mens? Seems like they would be a huge target in either place and not safe wherever they were sent. Would they get solitary confinement for the whole prison sentence? Would they be allowed to continue taking there hormones?

Obviously these aren't the most important questions but they are things I was curious about non the less. Especially with TS issues becoming more mainstream and common with the advancements in science and public opinion.

[BeardedOne]

A lot of these issues came up after the conviction of Sylvia Boots. Give the Search function a shot as I recall a number of threads on the issue.

I know of at least one gurl that served a fair amount of time under solitary/protective custody as she defied the norms of male/female prison assignment.

If I recall correctly, they are invariably sent to male facilities.

[AmyDaly]

If you pass and have had surgery, you will goto the womens prison. If you have not had surgery, you get to goto solitary in the men's prison. LA County has a gay section and a subsection for trans people.


If I was to goto jail, I would end up either in solitary or with the other trans people in la county mens prison.

[BeardedOne]

Don't you go commit any crimes, Ms. Amy!

[CaptainGeech]

Cool. Thanks for the info. Sometimes I forget the search function can be your friend.

[Shining Star]

We've been through this before, search the archives for posts.

Not all state and local areas are sending pre-ops to "gay" sections or putting them in protective custody anymore. A member clearly posted her recent experiences with NYC Dept of Corrections, where she (pre-op trannie), was housed with the rest of the males.

Now one supposes if the trannie felt endangered or threatened, she could be moved to special custody, but that is not always what is cracked up to be. Normally SC requires a guard escort anytime one leaves one's cell, say to take a shower, and if a guard is not available, you have to wait.

Personally, find there is safety in numbers. At least if you are in a dorm, and with a group that has your back, so to speak, you can have some protection.

[FISTOFHEAVEN]

SOOO U SAYING IF U GO TO JAIL IN LA MAKE SURE U GROW BREAST GOOD TO KNOW

[AmyDaly]

SOOO U SAYING IF U GO TO JAIL IN LA MAKE SURE U GROW BREAST GOOD TO KNOW

What I said was just refering to LA County Jail. Speaking from experience here :o

[BrendaQG]

I don't know about Prizon. But in my younger days I spent time in C(r)ook County Jail. I was kept in the Jail Hospital on the psych ward. Everyone was kept medicated so no one really gave a shit about who was what.

But then I had a good lawyer looking out for me, as well as a psych who I once saw out in the world, worked there and justified my staying in there and out of general population. Because as she said "In general population they would use you as a woman. .... for sex. "

Needless to say that in general the experience will vary from person to person. In prison even more so.

[FISTOFHEAVEN]

MY DAD WENT TO COOK I HEARD ITS FUN THERE LOL I KNOW PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO WENT

[peggygee]

We've been through this before, search the archives for posts.



I searched the archives for when I previously posted on the topic, it
appears as if the search function isn't quite working. However, below
are previous posts on Transwomen And The Penal System

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/jail.jpg


Do transgender prisoners have a right to be housed in a facility consistent with their gender identity?

Transgender people who have not had genital surgery are generally classified according to their birth sex for purposes of prison housing, regardless of how long they may have lived as a member of the other gender, and regardless of how much other medical treatment they may have undergone - a situation which puts male-to-female transsexual women at great risk of sexual violence. Transsexual people who have had genital surgery are generally classified and housed according to their reassigned sex. One mechanism that is sometimes used to protect transsexual women who are at risk of violence due to being housed in male prisons is to separate them from other prisoners.

This is referred to as "administrative segregation." On the positive side, placing a transgender or transsexual woman in administrative segregation may provide her with greater protection than being housed in the general population. On the negative side, however, administrative segregation also results in exclusion from recreation, educational and occupational opportunities, and associational rights. Such exclusion may violate the constitutional rights of prisoners if the conditions of segregation are excessively harsh. Furthermore, administrative segregation does not protect transgender prisoners from abuse at the hands of guards and may even lead to increased exposure to violence.

What protections are available to transgender prisoners who are victims of violence in prison?

Prison officials are required to protect prisoners from violence at the hands of other prisoners. Prison officials who display a "deliberate indifference" to this duty violate the Eighth Amendment prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment. The U.S. Supreme Court adopted a narrow definition of "deliberate indifference" in the case Farmer v. Brennan, which involved a male-to-female transsexual who was badly beaten and raped by her male cellmate in a maximum security prison. The Court declined to adopt an objective rule that would hold a prison official liable for violence inflicted on a prisoner when the risks are obvious enough that the official "should have known" the prisoner was in danger. Instead, the Court ruled that, to violate the Eighth Amendment, an official must have actual subjective knowledge that the prisoner is at risk of violence and deliberately fail to act on that knowledge.

Do transsexual prisoners have a right to obtain hormone therapy while in prison?

At least one state, Wisconsin, has a law expressly prohibiting the use of government funds to provide hormone therapy or sex reassignment surgery for prisoners. In states that do not explicitly prohibit such treatment, some transsexual prisoners have been able to receive hormone treatment in prison. Many prisons only provide hormone treatment to individuals who had been receiving such treatment before incarceration. However, some prisons consider providing hormones to prisoners who had not received hormones before incarceration on a case-by-case basis. The policy of the U.S. Bureau of Prisons is to provide hormones at the level that was maintained prior to incarceration. Specifically, the policy provides:

Inmates who have undergone treatment for gender identity disorder will be maintained only at the level of change which existed when they were incarcerated in the Bureau. Such inmates will receive thorough medical and mental health evaluations, including the review of all available outside records. The Medical Director will be consulted prior to continuing or implementing such treatment. The Medical Director must approve, in writing, hormone use for the maintenance of secondary sexual characteristics in writing.

The above language suggests that exceptions may be possible in individual cases to allow the initiation of hormones or other treatment where the prisoner had not received such treatment prior to incarceration, so long as the treatment is recommended as medically necessary by prison medical personnel and then approved by the Medical Director.

Even if the prison does provide hormones, however, there is no guarantee that they will be provided at the appropriate levels and with the necessary physical and psychological support services. In addition, it is often difficult for transsexual prisoners to document a prior prescription for hormones, either because of the practical difficulties and limitations imposed by incarceration, or because many transsexual prisoners are indigent and do not have private physicians willing to advocate for them. Moreover, even when transsexual prisoners are able to provide sufficient documentation, prison officials may disregard or flout the policy. A prisoner's access to hormone treatment may also be impeded if a prison psychologist does not believe that the prisoner is transgender.

The issue of whether a transsexual person is entitled to hormone therapy while in prison has been litigated extensively, based on the established constitutional principle that it is a violation of the Eighth Amendment prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment for prison officials to exhibit "deliberate indifference" to a prisoner's "serious medical needs." Until the last several years, in almost every case, courts have ruled in favor of prison officials. More recently, however, prisoners have had more success.

[peggygee]

Part Two

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Being arrested, has many ramifications. You may be fined, put on probation, parole, continued without a finding, sentenced to house arrest, and many variations on that theme, depending on the jurisdiction, you live in and the court that adjudicated your case.

As regards where you may actually end up if you are placed behind bars.

Depending on the nature of the crime, if it warrants it you will be held in the precinct, sheriffs office, State police barracks, or federal detention center, until you can see a judge, or are deemed worthy of bail.

Once, before the judge you are arraigned formally charged, and then are either released in your own personal recognizance, allowed to post bail, or remanded by the court and held for trial.

Again depending on the severity of the offense, you may end up in:

A county jail, house of corrections to await trial, or to serve your sentence

If convicted you may perhaps end up in a prison (Attica, San Quentin, Joliet, Angola, Walpole, Pelican Bay, Rahwway, just to name a few).

Even within the prison sysstem there are degrees of prison from minimum to maximum security, and even what are known as 'super max' for very severe prisoners and crimes.

Then of course there is the Federal prison system, again mini, med, and maximum.
Think Martha Stewart versus Al Capone, though prison he was held in Alcatraz is now a tourist attraction.

As a pre op TS/TG woman, you would serve your time in a male prison. For your safety, you would most likely be segregated with other gay, transwoman, prison snitches, and other people who are at risk in the penal environment.

Piss off a guard, and you will very likely end up back in the general population (gen pop) with a very, very bad person as a cell mate.

As a post op woman, you go to a women's prison, period.

However that is not a picnic either, and you may be isolated for your own protection there as well.

Bottom line sweetie, stay the fuck out of jail, you won't like it, IF you survive it.

Also, get better legal counsel, than some clerk that answers the phone at City Hall, and who may or may not have understand your question, or know the answers.

Finally, if a SO, friend, family member, becomes incarcerated, here's a useful site:

Wth a direct link to the GLBT page.

http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php

[elo]

We've been through this before, search the archives for posts.



I searched the archives for when I previously posted on the topic, it
appears as if the search function isn't quite working.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/jail.jpg


The search function is a joke.It works like a piece of :crap

[SarahG]

We've been through this before, search the archives for posts.



I searched the archives for when I previously posted on the topic, it
appears as if the search function isn't quite working.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/jail.jpg


The search function is a joke.It works like a piece of :crap

AGREED. It is very hard to quickly & easily find what you're looking for with the search engine.

[martinl10]

SOOO U SAYING IF U GO TO JAIL IN LA MAKE SURE U GROW BREAST GOOD TO KNOW

What I said was just refering to LA County Jail. Speaking from experience here :o

Well that sucks, hopefully you werent there too long

[elo]

We've been through this before, search the archives for posts.



I searched the archives for when I previously posted on the topic, it
appears as if the search function isn't quite working.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/jail.jpg


The search function is a joke.It works like a piece of :crap

AGREED. It is very hard to quickly & easily find what you're looking for with the search engine.Alternetively you can use google.
Type in what you are looking for and then the ha link in qoutes

what i look for "www.hungangels.com/board/"

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=38657
http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=290447

[voy4her]

If you pass and have had surgery, you will goto the womens prison. If you have not had surgery, you get to goto solitary in the men's prison. LA County has a gay section and a subsection for trans people.


If I was to goto jail, I would end up either in solitary or with the other trans people in la county mens prison.
i would bake you a cake with a file in it.

[Shining Star]

If you pass and have had surgery, you will goto the womens prison. If you have not had surgery, you get to goto solitary in the men's prison. LA County has a gay section and a subsection for trans people.


If I was to goto jail, I would end up either in solitary or with the other trans people in la county mens prison.
i would bake you a cake with a file in it.I'm sorry, but that is one of the most ignorant statements I've ever heard. (Cook Country Jail being "fun".

Prison or even local lock up is not "fun" and it is that kind of talk that leads young people to think that doing any sort of crime, even small offences is no big deal, since jail time is a cake walk.

Guess if one is used to living on the streets, or in a rat infested hovel, and or does not have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of, then being locked up might seem like a spa vacation, but for the rest of us it is a horrible thought.

For one thing you are stripped of your liberty. You go where you are told to go, do what you are told to do. Privacy is totally gone, usually even when one uses the toilet. It is not a sorority or college dorm where you can have your room-mate changed because you two don't get along. And pity your poor soul who thinks they can go in there and complain, whine or otherwise "demand" better treatment or their "rights".

[AmyDaly]

Geeze...I don't think he meant it was fun. A cake with a file in it is an old cliche of people trying to break others out of prison.

[Shining Star]

As for being with other trannies in jail/prison, you might want to be careful of what one wishes for.

It isn't like all trannies, like all women are the same. And there probably are many women who would rather take their chances in a male company than being locked up with females, same for trannies.

Have seen some really bad customer street trannies down in the West Village, and am here to tell you would rather be a lumber camp toy than risk being locked up with any of them for an extended period of time. *LOL*

[SarahG]

what i look for "www.hungangels.com/board/"

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=38657
http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=290447[/b]

I am surprised that works well for you.

This board has that script that tells search engine bots not to crawl the content IIRC.

[elo]

what i look for "www.hungangels.com/board/"

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=38657
http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=290447[/b]

I am surprised that works well for you.

This board has that script that tells search engine bots not to crawl the content IIRC.It doesn´t work perfectly but much better than the search function in some cases.So its worth a try when the s-function doesn´t give out what you are looking for.

[Icanthelpmyself]

Well to whom want to know, Frist of all they are treated as men for that what they are arrested for. Second if they want PC they can serve thier time in pop. Now for those pretty ones I believe that with all the attention that they can recieved that some would lov it, but you have to take in to conceration the thug gangstas type t hat want to rape. The ones that I happen to see got along well I always got a show at shower time that when she done most of her business if you know what I mean!:)

[peggygee]

If you pass and have had surgery, you will goto the womens prison. If you have not had surgery, you get to goto solitary in the men's prison. LA County has a gay section and a subsection for trans people.


If I was to goto jail, I would end up either in solitary or with the other trans people in la county mens prison.
i would bake you a cake with a file in it.I'm sorry, but that is one of the most ignorant statements I've ever heard. (Cook Country Jail being "fun".

Prison or even local lock up is not "fun" and it is that kind of talk that leads young people to think that doing any sort of crime, even small offences is no big deal, since jail time is a cake walk.

Guess if one is used to living on the streets, or in a rat infested hovel, and or does not have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of, then being locked up might seem like a spa vacation, but for the rest of us it is a horrible thought.

For one thing you are stripped of your liberty. You go where you are told to go, do what you are told to do. Privacy is totally gone, usually even when one uses the toilet. It is not a sorority or college dorm where you can have your room-mate changed because you two don't get along. And pity your poor soul who thinks they can go in there and complain, whine or otherwise "demand" better treatment or their "rights".

Some folks seem to have a fantasy image of jail, and of being
incarcercerated.

Some think that it is all fun and game, and unbridled free sex.

It's not.

Another consideration is condoms are forbidden in male prisons, because
sex isn't supposed to to be occurring.

We of course know that it does.

But not having condoms could put the girl at risk for all types of STIs.

Thus turniing a jail sentence into a potential death sentence.

Jail is not a porn movie. :smh

[peggygee]

Correctional Policy and Condom Distribution

Despite overwhelming evidence that condom use prevents the transmission of HIV, US prison officials continue to limit the availability of condoms to incarcerated persons. Less than 1 percent of US correctional facilities provide condoms to inmates.

These policies stand in stark contrast to the public health approach taken by prison officials in Canada, Western Europe, Australia, Ukraine, Romania, and Brazil, where condoms have been available to inmates for years. Moreover, several large urban jails in the US as well as one state have provided condoms to inmates, either through medical staff or more general distribution. Where institutional policy provides for condom distribution, no correctional system has yet to find any grounds to reverse or repeal that policy.


Condom Distribution Programs: US Jails

Several large urban jails, including the Los Angeles and San Francisco County jails, make condoms available to inmates. San Francisco Sheriff Michael Hennessey was a strong supporter of California's legislation permitting condom distribution in prison, which passed in 2005 but was vetoed by the Governor.

In an editorial opinion letter published in the San Francisco Chronicle, Sherriff Hennessey stated that correctional officials should "do everything we can to prevent sexual activity in custody, but we shouldn't turn a blind eye to the reality that it occurs." Further, he noted that the risk of contraband smuggling was much greater from routine contact between inmates and outside visitors than from the availability of condoms inside the facility.

http://hrw.org/backgrounder/hivaids/condoms0307/3.htm

[mishadark]

Good post.

In the Uk,

If a pre-op M2F Ts has a GRC Gender Recognition Certificate,
They are automatically sent to a womans prision.

If no GRC, its down to the discretion of the judge, at sentancing.

Either way, the Ts would be categorised as an "at risk" person
& would serve their sentence in isolation from the main prison population.

[Boot6]

Whats up???
Bragging about Jail experience....
Since when did that hit the top 10??

[LBCDO]

DUmb ass comment about cook county being fun. I grew up in Chicago, an ive got family in Reedsville. Ive done a couple of years myself. Aboslutely nothing fun about jail. I guess thats why they call them trolls

Anyway, the TSs are usually in Admin seg. But dont get it twisted at all. This is jail. Its not like you are in TS heaven. Most girls arent your dream TSs straight out of the latest grooby movie. Talk to any girl, GG or TS, and ask how they think they would look after a week of cheap lotion and soaps [well if you can afford it from commisary] no razors, no hair products besides gel and shampoo and conditioner, and no make up?

Anyway, admin seg is usually where you them. Keeps down confusement from HARRASMENT as well as safety. It keeps a lot of issues down as well, which makes it easier on the COs. Some prisons used to mix them up with gen pop

[Helvis2012]

I hope the person in question and find an alternative. In most states, pre-op's are treated like men in terms of where they are locked up. I should also mention how dangerous and shitty this is since said person will be targeted by practically every dude in the place. That's why so many people would rather be someone's bitch than go it alone and wind up getting traded for cigarettes.
Sadly, for many TV's, an extended jail sentence is the equivalent of a death sentence. We live in a country that still gives passes for sexual discrimination.

[Shining Star]

I hope the person in question and find an alternative. In most states, pre-op's are treated like men in terms of where they are locked up. I should also mention how dangerous and shitty this is since said person will be targeted by practically every dude in the place. That's why so many people would rather be someone's bitch than go it alone and wind up getting traded for cigarettes.
Sadly, for many TV's, an extended jail sentence is the equivalent of a death sentence. We live in a country that still gives passes for sexual discrimination.
Excuse me?

Where does discrimination fit into this?

Last time one checked there are only two genders, and prisons putting one where one's genitals dictate hardly counts as discrimination.

Prison is supposed to be a place of correction, not a holiday spa. Granted the state is supposed to make sure no harm comes to those in it's care, and hopefully tries to educate and or otherwise prepare those same persons to become useful and productive members of society upon release, there are limits.

Do you have any idea what is going on inside American, and perhaps other prisons? It is not just "black", "white", Christian, Jewish, Muslim, but Cripps, Bloods, and god only knows how many other particular groups. Each of which, in some cases would love to bash the brains out of another group? So what is the state supposed to do? Set up special sections for all and sundry?

No, it is call general population for a reason. Besides it is not only expensive to house segregated sections, it is not always productive. Not every gay person or trannies wants to be in protective, and then what is the state supposed to do? Force them? If they do you just know some clever dick attorney, or the ACLU will go to the courts crying that person's rights are being violated.

We should also stop labouring under the notion that all trannies in jail are some how these foundering, innocent (but hot) trannie-babes, that were picked up simply trying to earn a living hoeing because that was the only career open to them.

Yes, a good number of the girls in lock up are in for prossing, but there are also those in for violet crimes, including armed assault, manslaughter, murder, selling drugs, and so forth.

Just as with female prisons, trannie inmates can be worse, so much worse than anything one might find in the men's section. Just ask any CO or anyone who has worked in lock-up or has been in one.

Many seem to think that female equals "Passive" and that lock-ups for fems or those that look or trying to be like them are one big sorority house. Everyone saying "would you pass the sugar" at "tea", and loaning each other curlers and make-up. Well am here to tell you one night alone with "Big Bertha" as a cell mate, and many of you would be BEGGING to be put into male GP.

Look around. Have you seen girls fighting as school these days? They are just as likely to pack and or carry weapons as dudes. They also fight with fists,and hard punches, not just slapping, and scratching.

[Boot6]

I guess staying OUT of prison is not a subject here...
I do!

[Helvis2012]

Hey shining star,
How did you get to 2009? Do you have access to time machine? I hope so. Please get back in and go back to 1950 where you belong. Or at the very least, lay off the Fox News....it's destroyed your brain.

[Helvis2012]

Shining Star wrote:

Prison is supposed to be a place of correction, not a holiday spa. Granted the state is supposed to make sure no harm comes to those in it's care, and hopefully tries to educate and or otherwise prepare those same persons to become useful and productive members of society upon release, there are limits.

Man, when I reread all the horseshit you wrote I had to laugh......the statement above is most telling. You are painfully ignorant of not only the society in which you dwell but also its judicial system.
It's also ironic that you spend time here on this board but can only see gender in terms of black or white, or rather, since I obviously need to spell it out for you, male and female. This is painfully ignorant and I can only hope you get a little educated before you grow up. Only a kid with no experience or education would make statements like yours.

But there is something you might know. Why do the dumbest people in the room always think they have the answers without putting any thought into it? Seriously, your comments sound like they came from a sixteen year old, safely ensconced in Mommy and Daddy's safe little home. I suppose from the world looks very simple from there but you shouldn't let yourself be fooled. When you grow up, you might find life is a bit more complicated.


In any case, you need to wise up.....you're going to need some brains eventually and already I can tell you, your knee jerk analysis isn't working.

Maybe you better stay in the playground till then, huh?
What a joke......good luck with all that and I mean it.
:trolls

[ed_jaxon]

Sounds like a lot of us have been in Cook county, self included.

[Boot6]

I agree with your statements "shining star" even though some dont! Dont mind them c;)

[Helvis2012]

Boot6 wrote:

I agree with your statements "shining star" even though some dont! Dont mind them



The both of you rubes need to get on the next bus out of Mayberry.
:puke

[Boot6]

I am glad to see that Helvis2012 handles his critics in such mature way!
Talking aboyt 2009.....;-)

[Shining Star]

Helvis2012:

Listen pal, I've forgotten more about "life", then you will ever know, especially regarding trannies, and or trannies who have been incarcerated.

I've learned this from not only the mouths of the girls themselves, but by simply reading and observing. Take your little self down to 1 Centre Street in NYC, or Mid-Town Community Court and read the case logs. Even better sit yourself down and watch the drama that unfolds daily as prossies, trannies, women and even men are brought in and justice, such as it is, dispensed.

As far as the law is concerned, there are only TWO genders. You can roam around your house in your wife's undies all you want (with or without a manicure), but that isn't going to make you "female" enough to be put into any area with a true GG in lock-up.

At one time trannies, tits, penis and all were put into GP both in holding cells, jail and prison, then things changed for awhile, and they were segregated within the male population. However make no mistake about it, trannies were transported and housed in a "male" section of lock-up.

As things now stand, at least in NYC, if the trannie has a penis, she will be segregated from the male GP in the courts and holding cells, but the NYDC has begun moving trannies in lock-up to GP. IIRC, one can request to be moved into "protective custody", but that is not always what it is cracked up to be, so many girls actually request and or want to stay in GP.

As for "waking" and "growing" up, it is YOU who better learn what time it is, or at least keep your happy behind on the right side of the law. Go into police custody and or lock-up with your current attitude, and you are just going to be fresh meat to the wolves.

[Helvis2012]

You flatter yourself. You're no critic.....just an extremely ignorant person. Critics actually know a little something about which they are commenting.
I'm sorry you don't like to hear that but when you champion stupidity and showcase a complete lack of knowledge of the subject at hand, you should expect someone to call you on it. Don't compound the error by acting like a pussy just defend your position, but, naturally, you can't so you whine and cry foul. Moreover, while you espouse some extremely callous views on a serious topic for some reason, you reserve charm school etiquette for yourself. This, even more than your unbounded ignorance, is the reason you're a joke.
Want respect? Have a little self respect first, dumb dumb. It's not other people's responsibility to educate you. You're going to have to take a little initiative yourself. :sleep

[Helvis2012]

Shining Star? Funny, for a shining star, you don't seem very bright. Your last post shows you haven't the depth to even understand what my point was and like a true nitwit, you simply repeat yourself. This is why you look so foolish.

In any case, defending discrimination against TV's on a website for TV's and their admirers won't win you any friends and true to form, you're too stupid to realize how offensive your comments are, especially in this particular forum. Maybe you'd be happier at the RNC's website where other rubes, retards and bigots gather?

Again, let me suggest you take an extended trip outside Mayberry town-limits.


Oh yeah. What were you trying say here?


Listen pal, I've forgotten more about "life", then you will ever know, especially regarding trannies, and or trannies who have been incarcerated.

What is that supposed to mean? You might do better if you pulled your head out of your ass. :idea:

[justatransgirl]

NOW CHILDREN... Let's not turn what is a very important commentary into a pushing match. :-)

The point of staying out of jail in the first place is valid and certainly is a good idea for anyone to attempt.

HOWEVER - (and I forget offhand the "exact" stats) but roughly 4 million people a year are arrested in the US and there is roughly 2 million in jail at any given time. A little less than 1% of the population. If you extrapolate this out during the course of a 60 year lifetime (assuming you don't get arrested before say 10 or after 70) that means you have about a 60% chance of going to jail at some point.

One never knows, they could accidentally cause a fatal accident and be taken to jail. One could just be in the wrong place and time. And this is not to make excuses, but transsexuals often have issues that leave them more vulnerable to arrest.

Therefore - what is needed is Federal law, based preferably using the San Francisco city policy - which is, that people in SF city jail are housed according to "gender perception."

Now yes, there could be abuse of this. Obviously many people are in jail because they are con artists and I'm sure there are plenty of men who would love to pose as TS in order to get into the womens jail. LOL But I think general common sense has prevailed in SF and there can be a hearing and medical process to cull out those masquerading as TS.

There are groups working toward this end. I think it will be a long slog. However there does seem to be some progress in California. I just read some info on the Transgender Law Center's site where there is some action moving forward in this arena. Possibly the Obama administration will provide an opportunity.

Meanwhile, yes, while we can sometimes make sick jokes about how much "fun" it would be to have unlimited men locked up in a confined space with nothing to do but "service" the local trans girls. But the reality from everything I've heard is it would be a nightmare with no out.

I personally know a t-girl who was incarcerated for about 2 years on a drug use charge. She wasn't any particular looker, but she spent her time being used for sex and left the system with AID's. So a relatively minor charge became a life sentence - because the system failed to protect her.

Possession of some pot or meth or whatever should not be a capitol crime. AND transsexuals should NOT be forced into Ad Seg or PC where they are isolated from other contact and driven crazy.

The bottom line, is like the credit system, the US prison system needs a complete overhaul. Many, many people have been calling for this for a very long time. But until there is a HUGE public outcry, nothing will be done and each person will fight the government alone and lose.

I'm out of words.

Sigh,
TS Jamie :-(

[justatransgirl]

Stupid double posts - note to NYCe system is messing up again... :-)

[Helvis2012]

justatransgirl wrote:

NOW CHILDREN... Let's not turn what is a very important commentary into a pushing match.

You're right, no doubt about that but hey, after eight years of sanctimonious assholes destroying the nation and our society, I have very little patience for uniformed/childish drivel. A lot of people are suffering from these fucked up policies and prejudices that these two fools repeat, seemingly, without any regard or forethought for the actual implications their words have on other people's lives.
Enough is enough. If someone wants to support discrimination, they should be met with fierce opposition. Just because some people are too stupid to realize the implications of what they say/support, they shouldn't get a pass. That's bullshit. Transgendered people have enough troubles of their own....just like everyone else. Persecuting someone based on their personal preferences is crap, plain and simple. No one is giving transgendered people a pass. Why should ignorant rubes get one?

The two assholes I've just schooled are prime examples. Simply put, douche bags. Sorry....but it's true.

Every second speech like that is tolerated, horror and prejudice is strengthened. Fuck that shit but I will applaud your tolerance. It is admirable. :soapbox

[Helvis2012]

justatransgirl wrote:

NOW CHILDREN... Let's not turn what is a very important commentary into a pushing match.

You're right, no doubt about that but hey, after eight years of sanctimonious assholes destroying the nation and our society, I have very little patience for uniformed/childish drivel. A lot of people are suffering from these fucked up policies and prejudices that these two fools repeat, seemingly, without any regard or forethought for the actual implications their words have on other people's lives.
Enough is enough. If someone wants to support discrimination, they should be met with fierce opposition. Just because some people are too stupid to realize the implications of what they say/support, they shouldn't get a pass. That's bullshit. Transgendered people have enough troubles of their own....just like everyone else. Persecuting someone based on their personal preferences is crap, plain and simple. No one is giving transgendered people a pass. Why should ignorant rubes get one?

The two assholes I've just schooled are prime examples. Simply put, douche bags. Sorry....but it's true.

Every second hate speech is tolerated, horror and prejudice is strengthened. Fuck that shit but I will applaud your tolerance. It is admirable. :soapbox

[sdman]

What I said was just refering to LA County Jail. Speaking from experience here :o


Did you have lots of fin in jail?

[Jericho]

Did you have lots of fin in jail?


They don't call her Sharkey for nothing! :shrug

[rockabilly]

Amy in jail ... :jerkoff: we need a tgirls behind bars dvd , w/ a crooked warden who films the girls being violated then gets violated herself during a riot.

damn i need to be a director.

[drock]

Amy in jail ... :jerkoff: we need a tgirls behind bars dvd , w/ a crooked warden who films the girls being violated then gets violated herself during a riot.

damn i need to be a director.


I think it'd be a major hit.. lol.

[rockabilly]

I think it'd be a major hit.. lol.

Grooby needs me as a consultant. lol
I'm gonna bug Seanchai or Buddy about it.

[BellaBellucci]

O fate, why dost thou tempt me so?!

~BB~

[rockabilly]

Bend over Bella. :)

[BellaBellucci]

Bend over Bella. :)

:ignore::ignore::ignore::ignore::ignore::ignore:

~BB~

[rockabilly]

Finally Bella shut her trap.






jk Bella.

[BellaBellucci]

Finally Bella shut her trap.






jk Bella.

OK, smartass. You asked for it: :puke

;)

~BB~

[rockabilly]

That's cool Bella i'll hold your hair back while you hurl ... and since i'm behind you pulling your hair back ... might as well keep thrusting. :fuckin:

[loren]

Amy in jail ... :jerkoff: we need a tgirls behind bars dvd , w/ a crooked warden who films the girls being violated then gets violated herself during a riot.

damn i need to be a director.
I'd be game for that. How about a gangbang sceen?:jerkoff:fuckin:

[natina]

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/images/icons/icon4.gif they separate inmates based on GAY or STRAIGHT

they do not use the idea that a ts/tg is a girl

in prison a ts/tg is a gay male and goes in the gay

section of the jail.

they also have a separate section for snitches and child

molesters.