Hung Angels Posting of Images...

[GroobySteven]

Hi
Many of you enjoy the free posting of images here - it's good to jerk off to, good to sample whats out there and it's not costing you a penny. The websites realise that sites like this do us good, if someone gets a boner for a certain girl then hopefully, they'll click the link on this site and the end website gets a sale and Hung Angels (or the other referral site) gets a nice little percentage of the recurring sale.
Without websites like the ones I run as well as the girls running their own sites (Joanna, Gia, Allanah, Vicki, .ca, etc, etc) there would be no new material. We'd all be jerking off to the same old printed crap that was circulating when I came online in 1996.
I think it's fair to ask that when posting images of a specific model that you include no more that 6-10 pics of each girl from each website she's appeared on. This is more than enough to illustrate your point and for people to have a good pull of their puds to.
Anymore than that, or like one member just told me "he doesn't want to point me to a site which posts massive amounts of stolen material" then websites will start taking action against these excellent free sites (actually the sites will start self-censoring as they wish to stay in business with the websites) or it will eventually result in less and less budget being able to be put into new material, websites taking less of a risk on an "unknown" model (at Shemale Yum, Vo'Balm, Lisa Kage, Joanna Jet, Allanah Starr were all unknown models at the time making their first sets on the internet) and all of us just not being able to see fresh, new material.

This isn't a call out to those of you who just wish to enjoy the freebies that sites like this offer, just asking to understand the potential consequences that may affect you and to have a little respect for the models, the photographers and the websites that commissioned them.
Thanks
seanchai

[Tadmirer]

The "one member" who seanchai badly misquotes above is me.

If he had not mis-represented the exchange I would have let it drop.

However, I now think it would be interesting for the rest of you to read the complete conversation,
which is copied below - starting with his first PM to me, and ending with my final PM to him.

While he cetainly has valid points, I believe his words show what he thinks of us.

Hi
Thanks for your comments about Sarah but if you're going to post any images from grooby sites please limit it to 6 images per model.
Giving it away from free isn't conducive to good business or providing a budget to shoot more models.
Thanks
seanchai


seanchai,
Technically, I downloaded those images from another non-Grooby site,
where they had already been (re) posted, by someone.
Nevertheless, I understand your concern, and in the future I personally
will abide by your 6 image per model directive, in reference to posting on Hung Angels.
I certainly wouldn't want to compromise your business efforts.

Tadmirer


seanchai,
Just an additional thought -
As any other new board members, such as myself, would not be aware of your rules,
possibly it might avoid any such difficulties if this directive was permanently posted (sticky) or possibly addressed in the FAQ.

Tadmirer



That would be up to Hung Angels to do that, technically, anyone of us sites could have them closed for posting these images so they're normally quite good about it and regulate it themselves. Of course, I recognise the marketing that this does for us which is why I leave it.
Which site did you get the images from?
thanks
seancha



seanchai,
No problem....it was just an idea that I thought could be helpful.

To be honest with you, I'm a little hesitant to name the site now.

Feel a bit like I'd be violating the confidence of the posters there.

I'm sure you guys are vigilant about unauthorized use of images, as you need to be,
but at the same time I have a very strong affinity for file sharing of all types,
and for those people who do so without any profit motives.

Hope you understand.

Tadmirer



What !?!
You're quite happy to look at free STOLEN images from websites, quite happy to jerk off at content which we've had to pay our photographers and the models good money for, to run a website which promotes more shooting of new girls and puts back more money back into the models and the industry than any of the other websites but you're not even going to show me where these STOLEN images are.
You're just a piece of shit like they are. What will you be wanking off to when there is no new content because it's all been pirated and plagurised.
Post one more image that belongs to Grooby Productions on any website and I find it belongs to you, I will begin legal issues against that site and youself.
Have a good weekend.
seanchai


Seanchai,
Apparently something I said upset you.

I apologize, if my aversion to "ratting out" someone bothers you.

As of this moment, 9/3/05 7 AM EDT, I will agree to never post another image from your sites.

However, it is not my responsibility to do your "policing".
Your attitude is ridiculous. I understand your feelings,
although not your immature and unprofessional manner.
You will never be able to completely stop the sharing of files.
Check with the music recording industry on that.
Good day sir.
Tadmirer

[Tadmirer]

Just to be clear, I have no argument that Grooby owns their images.
I agreed to everything seanchai asked, EXCEPT to inform on someone else.
That I would not do.

I was shocked to receive such an insulting and childish response from a man running a multi million dollar business.

[Vicki Richter]

Paypal is a good idea.

I see Seanchai's points. The groups like the wolves den or whatever on yahoo groups has like 30,000 members and they post tens of thousands of images. Some of it can be called marketing, but it is way out of control.

I really don't know how you control file sharing, but you have to respect the point that as memberships drop off due to theft fewer and fewer sites will be able to maintain/sustain themselves or their content quality.

[brickcitybrother]

I had not thought of PayPal before as I way of payment (I don't know why as its so pervasive on the net). But my reluctance to join certain sites ... is that if you join - they AUTOMATICALLY enroll you in recurring MONTHLY charges. I do not like that at all. I do not accept the proposition that you can cancel them ... it is not as easy as that as I have found out that a certain site (wont name the name - at this time - DID NOT CANCEL my membership when requested). I do not understand the problem with allowing a person to join for a month via credit card ... to decide if they want to remain a member.

[Castor_Troy05]

I'm a member of a few sites, and have no problem paying to view quality content that others may get for free, however the sites I've joined were due to "obtaining" a few sets of images of some models from usenet, I'm not gonna name groups, but they're not hard to find.

[Fraise]

Who cares ,post the pics what are they going to do lol

Too much talk not enough cock.

[GroobySteven]

I have to admit this, but because I don't have a major credit card or some of the on-line billing options I can't join major sites, Grooby etc. Gia Darling's site accepts Paypal to join, so I joined.

Why don't more sites accept payment like this? If they did maybe more people would join and money could be made, instead of free sites with "stolen" photos.

More options means more availability.



mds

Paypal actually stopped doing business with us as they refuse to do business with adult companies - however, we offer a number of options to pay other than credit card, including one time billing to a phone or the ability to send in a personal check, money order, international money order, Western Union or cash (often at big discounts) that no other sites bother with.
This is clearly explained on each join page and we answer individuals queries personally to ensure, they get what they want.
seanchai

[GroobySteven]

As many of you already know, if a site is genuinely showing our (stolen) material, ie; they're not a referrer/promotional partner, or a yahoo group, or a site like this one (clarification they're showing sets of our images as sets of their own). Then send the url to me, if it's genuine then we'll credit you a free month on the website.

As previously stated, I've no problem with inviduals filesharing and newsgroups but any website showing the images are making a profit, if not through referrals then through false advertising and click throughs or some other way. Stopping these sites ensures the longterm survival of original porn.
seanchai
admin@grooby.com

[GroobySteven]

MDS,
We have loads of European members who send in international money orders (available from the post office).
Failing that, send in a money order in UKpounds and I'll cash it the next time I'm back home in UK. Or we take cash (sent by UPS it's never been "misplaced"). Failing all that, we've often worked with people who wish to become members with alternative arrangements that I can't post here.
We work with potential members to find an arrangement that suits them.
We have one guy who sends us $20 cash a month, religiously for the last few years.
Will look at Maestro but I've found that with all these paypal type billing companies that everyone seems to be loyal to one or another (I use a different one altogether for my pokerroom account).
regards
seanchai

[chefmike]

Just to be clear, I have no argument that Grooby owns their images.
I agreed to everything seanchai asked, EXCEPT to inform on someone else.
That I would not do.

I was shocked to receive such an insulting and childish response from a man running a multi million dollar business. Tadmirer, I must say, that maybe that gentleman might have had a hand in writing the so-called "patriot act"...mice eat cheese, not men...

[BoNBoN]

The check account option works great on grooby sites. I suggest everyone join and look at the new model Sean has just posted Gianna, she is fucking HOT !

[hondarobot]

Seanchai, I seem to recall reading that you launched your web site biz, back in the day, by posting pics you didn't actually purchase. "Stole" them, as it were, by your definition of the term.

hehehe.

It's an uneasy head that wears the crown these days, isn't it?


"You know, when that rope pulls tight, you can feel the devil bite your ass!"

-Tuco, "The Good The Bad, And The Ugly"

[chefmike]

:oops:

[hondarobot]

:twisted: . . .perhaps, is more appropriate.

But blushing is good as well.

[GroobySteven]

When Shemale Yum started I did "borrow" images without copyright holders permission. Usually scanned from magazines as this was the only content available and as we know was the same old shit that's been around for years.
I've been pretty candid about that and printed on the website a number of times, so you've hardly got an exclusive there Hondarobot.
Don't look behind you that conspiracy might be happening again...
seanchai

[Lobo]

So when shemaleyum did it it was "borrowing", but now that the shoe is on the other foot it's "stealing"?
You can say all you want about "borrowing" the "same old shit" that's been seen elsewhere, but that "same old shit" was shot by somoene back in the day, and they had to pay the models to shoot them much like you do today.
I'm the type of person that will pay for something if I think it's good enough. If I hear music I like I buy it to support the artist, if I see a movie I like I buy the dvd, I don't file share anything.
But it burns me a bit when I see the pot calling the kettle black, especially when said person did the exact same thing they are now accusing other people of doing.

[GroobySteven]

You've got a point but 8-9 years ago the internet was a very different place.
We ended up getting hit with legal suits and taking care of business - we're only looking to protect our own copyright in the same way.
(FYI - Shemale Yum at the time was a 100% free site - not even making money from advertising or any other avenues).

seanchai

[hondarobot]

Well that seems reasonable.

I think a more important question is: were any of the pictures you borrowed airbrushed?

:wink:

[Harrys Boy]

Wouldnt it be ironic if somebody posted pictures in this thread!

[GroobySteven]

Irony?

[NickTheQuick]

...

[Vicki Richter]

Seanchai, what are you doing posting pictures of a 18 year old in this thread... (editted by the request of the great dark god of shemales)

[hondarobot]

My apologies for the pictures of the 12 year old boy. Pursuing his ruthless land grab of all pictures online, seanchai has once again purloined content from my site, hondarobotsspunkyfoxes.com (a subsidiary of hondarobotsspunkyfoxes.org).

The photographer of said photos has been re-assigned to the south of France where is now tasked with shooting pictorials of elderly French Legionaires wearing shocking lingerie.

I would report seanchai to the authorities myself for this theft of content, but I am busy at the moment air brushing a volumptious body onto the disembodied floating head of Allanah Starr.

:wink:

[chefmike]

Seanchai, what are you doing posting pictures of a 12 year old boy in this thread?Thanks, Seanchai...that "12 year old boy" is more feminine, sexy and prettier than 90% of the pictutes we see here...catty remarks notwithstanding...meow

[GroobySteven]

Seanchai, what are you doing posting pictures of a 12 year old boy in this thread?

Nice Vicki - way to go especially when I can remember you as a not so attractive drunken 21 year old boy.
I would have thought even your addled brain would have understood that making a sarcastic comment like above, could be construed as both dangerous and liable. I'd appreciate it if you would edit your post into something that's not going to have the potential to get both of us into trouble.
seanchai

[GroobySteven]

more Gianna

[GroobySteven]

more Gianna...

[GroobySteven]

LOL, seanchai. I was just thinking of something...
perhaps you could post a couple non-cencored preview pics (from each update) of the new girls or older girls doing new sets. Have one thread named "What's new at Yum" and one "What's new at Brazilian Trans", etc. It would get plenty of visitors here all excited about your sites and what they have to offer. This would also decrease some of the problems for you, in regards the original arguement of the thread.

It would make sense Nick but the owners/mods of Hung Angels make quite a pretty penny from referral sales from this site to Grooby sites. I really don't see them doing that much (with the exception of Johnny Cocksville who apart from having the coolest name will go and do active promoting) promoting of stuff, maybe NYCe could delegate one of his minions do this for a number of sites - if I was to do it, it might take someone's job away from them.
:cry: seanchai

[hondarobot]

I have realized from the previous posts that seanacie is flagrantly breaking the law in numerous ways.

I'm calling the police.

Actually, I'm going to bed.

Good grief. . .

(By the way, the whole "breaking the law" bit was sarcasm. . .ok. . .Just going to bed now. . .)

8)

[canihavu]

I had not thought of PayPal before as I way of payment (I don't know why as its so pervasive on the net). But my reluctance to join certain sites ... is that if you join - they AUTOMATICALLY enroll you in recurring MONTHLY charges. I do not like that at all. I do not accept the proposition that you can cancel them ... it is not as easy as that as I have found out that a certain site (wont name the name - at this time - DID NOT CANCEL my membership when requested). I do not understand the problem with allowing a person to join for a month via credit card ... to decide if they want to remain a member.


I think I know the site to which you are referring; I won't name them either although they advertise on this site...I actually had to CANCEL the card with which I joined in order to get them to stop charging me. (Honestly, I wanted to get rid of that particular card anyway, but still that is a lot to go through just to end your membership to a particular site...)

[canihavu]

LOL, seanchai. I was just thinking of something...
perhaps you could post a couple non-cencored preview pics (from each update) of the new girls or older girls doing new sets. Have one thread named "What's new at Yum" and one "What's new at Brazilian Trans", etc. It would get plenty of visitors here all excited about your sites and what they have to offer. This would also decrease some of the problems for you, in regards the original arguement of the thread.

Nick, I think that is an excellent idea... :D

[canihavu]

more Gianna...

Nice cock...

[Vicki Richter]

No need to get excitable. None of the first three pictures you posted were even PG-13 by definition. Obviously she is older.

[GroobySteven]

Obviously...so you what, posted that comment to make yourself feel better on a down and dreary Sunday?
seanchai

[tsluver247]

more Gianna... You find the best new recruits out of any TS site.

[GroobySteven]

Quite often, they find us!
I think this girl will go a long way, reminds me of a young "Gina" of Gina and Geneva fame.
Thanks
seanchai

[GroobySteven]

Mega - you've missed the point of the post, man!
I'm happy enough to see people post images in here in response to queries (queeries?) and wants, within reason. That was never in question. My issue is with websites that are non-referral partners posting images for their own gain whether they're a subscription site or refer to unscrupulous sites who don't have original content to promote themselves.
This post was created when a member of HA thinks that these thieving sites are ok and my point is, in not giving me the name of the site then he's contributing to less money going back into the industry, the models and creation of new material (like the lovely Gianna). I think wanker is the right word.
The question of people posting images within reason on HA, is not in dispute.
seanchai

[Tadmirer]

seanchai,

Actually you miss the point.

You called me a hypocrite (and a few other insulting names) for not telling you the name of a free website that displays some shemaleyum pics
(with your image stamp intact)

They obviously aren't trying to cheat you at all.

Then you admit that you used "borrowed" images.

That's borrowed ...............spelled "s-t-o-l-e-n".

You are the hypocrite, sir.

[rvince]

seanchai,

Actually you miss the point.

You called me a hypocrite (and a few other insulting names) for not telling you the name of a free website that displays some shemaleyum pics
(with your image stamp intact)

They obviously aren't trying to cheat you at all.

Then you admit that you used "borrowed" images.

That's borrowed ...............spelled "s-t-o-l-e-n".

You are the hypocrite, sir.

you might be right, but if a site is also "borrowing/stoling" seanchai's images it would be nice to tell him the site name anyway...

Edit: the Internet now has very much evolved since 1996 and people who take pics from a paysite and put them on a site not promoting the original paysite most likely know they are infringing a copyright.

[GroobySteven]

seanchai,

Actually you miss the point.

You called me a hypocrite (and a few other insulting names) for not telling you the name of a free website that displays some shemaleyum pics
(with your image stamp intact)

They obviously aren't trying to cheat you at all.

Then you admit that you used "borrowed" images.

That's borrowed ...............spelled "s-t-o-l-e-n".

You are the hypocrite, sir.

Then let me check the site out - it's probably a referral/affiliate site of ours like this one, if not but it shows a few images then it's cool - if it's showing sets of images for their own financial benefit then they're not contributing anything to the shooting of future TS porn and need to be stopped.
I think I explained myself fully regarding issues from 1996.

You're a hypocrite for continuing to wank to new material yet advocate the use of stolen material.
Your a wanker for not showing me the url of the site.

Thanks to everyone else for the sending me url's of sites with potentially stolen material. Most were affiliates although a couple were showing our material as their own in their preview - when a potential member joined the site they only got a couple of the images on each model (ripped off) - I suspose that's ok in yourbook, Taddy?
seanchai