TS in Duabi(UAE)?

[rebirth58]

anyone knows a ts in dubai?
when emirates goverment kicked off transsexuals there are not any ts in dubai.
any ts can travel to dubai?

[Alyssa87]

Sharia law buddy. its not happening.

[RueMue]

..

[hippifried]

Don't they chop off dicks or heads or something for that shit over there?

Sorry spud, but you're going to have to travel.

[Angel17TS]

Don't they chop off dicks or heads or something for that shit over there?

Sorry spud, but you're going to have to travel.

No thats kind of ignorant to believe that. Do you even know where Dubai is?

If a girl has proper ID meaning it says female she would have nothing to worry about. As long as she is discreet in her work.

[iloveshemales77]

there was a thread about this a few months ago. A few western hookers (including a TS apparently) were arrested and deported. Personally I wouldn't risk fooling around in a part of the world where adulteresses (not adulterers) can still be legally stoned to death and homosexuals can face the death penalty.

[rudy777]

there was a thread about this a few months ago. A few western hookers (including a TS apparently) were arrested and deported. Personally I wouldn't risk fooling around in a part of the world where adulteresses (not adulterers) can still be legally stoned to death and homosexuals can face the death penalty.
Exactly!, thoses parts of the world are extremely dangerous :twisted:

[rebirth58]

No thats kind of ignorant to believe that. Do you even know where Dubai is?

If a girl has proper ID meaning it says female she would have nothing to worry about. As long as she is discreet in her work.

are u transsexual?
u r livin in dubai?

[mishadark]

One of my best friends was "invited" to go there with a number of other pre-op ts's, last year, IIRC. for a nice big bag of money, to see/service people in a 5 star hotel.
Her partner vetoed it as she would have little control if things went bad.

They did, & the women who did go, were arrested & deported.


Nothing to stop a ts travelling anywhere in the world after making the same safety considerations, that anyone else would. We are people as well.
The only rider on this being on how well you "pass"
If you totally pass then no one will ever know
If not, then discretion, for the sake of personal safety, must override your rights to travel to some places.

A few years ago I was transferring in Jordan, & got held by the military/customs as I hadn't altered my passport to my adopted gender.
I had an interesting hour trying to convince them that I wasn't always a woman! Flatterring, but time/place ect.
Moral. make sure your travel papers reflect your adopted gender.

Any questions, contact embassy of country in question & ask them directly. Also get from them a contact number that can be given to customs if there are any problems.

[mishadark]

anyone knows a ts in dubai?
when emirates goverment kicked off transsexuals there are not any ts in dubai.
any ts can travel to dubai?
There are transsexuals in EVERY country in the world.
We are part of the make up of humanity.
Some places it can result in a quick death, so we are well hidden.
:wink:

[Angel17TS]

are u transsexual?
u r livin in dubai?

Yes, and Yes =)

[Angel17TS]

are u transsexual?
u r livin in dubai?

Yes, and Yes =)

[Angel17TS]

there was a thread about this a few months ago. A few western hookers (including a TS apparently) were arrested and deported. Personally I wouldn't risk fooling around in a part of the world where adulteresses (not adulterers) can still be legally stoned to death and homosexuals can face the death penalty.
Exactly!, thoses parts of the world are extremely dangerous :twisted:

Lol you are safer here than most parts of the world. Now if you are a ts, or homosexual, and a foreigner, you would simply be arrested and deported. Only a citizen of the country would be in more serious trouble.

[iloveshemales77]

Ohh, thats all right then! :roll:

[Angel17TS]

Ohh, thats all right then! :roll:

Well ofcourse its not alright, but travelling with the intent of breaking a countries laws, is never smart whether it be here or even Canada, or any country other than your own.

I would never recommend anyone come here (or go anywhere) for that purpose. But if one is coming for vacation, its one of, if not the safest place to travel to.

[rebirth58]

don't u have any problem in dubai?ppl know u as a girl or boy?

[Angel17TS]

don't u have any problem in dubai?ppl know u as a girl or boy?

extremely complicated, perhaps another time I share my story

[alyssats]

I have many TS friends who frequently visits Dubai Malaysian, Singaporean, Thai, Philippine, French, Arab TS... they said Dubai is kinda an open country/city compared to other Middle Eastern country but off course just like everywhere else be careful and be discreet

[susi1045]

i plan to go there. they have nice beaches

[alyssats]

I wanna see that Burj al Arab hotel, Atlantis hotel and Palm Jumeirah such a world wonder and also the future tallest building Burj Dubai. Those truely blooded Dubaians have such so much money they dont know what to do with it lolz

[Angel17TS]

I wanna see that Burj al Arab hotel, Atlantis hotel and Palm Jumeirah such a world wonder and also the future tallest building Burj Dubai. Those truely blooded Dubaians have such so much money they dont know what to do with it lolz

Burj Al Arab is very disappointing. Looks nicer from outside. Atlantis is beautiful, we had dinner there a few weeks ago. The Palm is just houses, and hotels, so you can see it better if you look at it from the beaches. But there are two other Palms they are building now too. The Burj Dubai opens next year I hear, but its already the worlds tallest. I heard they have plans to build even bigger towers soon. But the best part is the worlds largest shopping mall just opened =)

[domme]

^ Heard that arabs really have hots for TS chix.
True?

[Angel17TS]

^ Heard that arabs really have hots for TS chix.
True?

Every culture has its TS, and every culture has their admirers.

[scorpion]

anyone knows a ts in dubai?
when emirates goverment kicked off transsexuals there are not any ts in dubai.
any ts can travel to dubai?
There are transsexuals in EVERY country in the world.
We are part of the make up of humanity.
Some places it can result in a quick death, so we are well hidden.
:wink:
True, but sad that it should be like that...

[trish]

True or False? Last year a young American boy who was visiting Dubai with his family was molested by several Dubai citizens who were business acquaintances of his father. When the boy’s family filed an official complaint the boy was arrested for homosexuality.

[Angel17TS]

True or False? Last year a young American boy who was visiting Dubai with his family was molested by several Dubai citizens who were business acquaintances of his father. When the boy’s family filed an official complaint the boy was arrested for homosexuality.

I cant say, I didnt hear anything about that. There was another case, similiar but the men were charged, and are in Jail. The boy wasnt charged with anything. So sometimes the right thing is done, and sometimes no, as in every legal system.

[Paladin]

i plan to go there. they have nice beaches

Florida, California and Hawai'i all have MUCH better, cleaner and safer beaches. And I have been to the UAE so don't give me that.

[Paladin]

True or False? Last year a young American boy who was visiting Dubai with his family was molested by several Dubai citizens who were business acquaintances of his father. When the boy’s family filed an official complaint the boy was arrested for homosexuality.

I cant say, I didnt hear anything about that. There was another case, similiar but the men were charged, and are in Jail. The boy wasnt charged with anything. So sometimes the right thing is done, and sometimes no, as in every legal system.

The story is true. the family is French and the Fench Government filed an official complaint, but i don't think it went anywhere...

[Angel17TS]

True or False? Last year a young American boy who was visiting Dubai with his family was molested by several Dubai citizens who were business acquaintances of his father. When the boy’s family filed an official complaint the boy was arrested for homosexuality.

I cant say, I didnt hear anything about that. There was another case, similiar but the men were charged, and are in Jail. The boy wasnt charged with anything. So sometimes the right thing is done, and sometimes no, as in every legal system.

The story is true. the family is French and the Fench Government filed an official complaint, but i don't think it went anywhere...

Yes it did go somewhere, I just said the men are in Jail, and the boy went home, but I believe still comes here as he has some family here. It was in the paper awhile ago.

What are you like 65? You recommend people visit Florida over Dubai. lol
There are much better beaches is Tahiti, Australia, India, Thailand, Seychelles, Brasil, Antigua, so whats your point.

[alyssats]

I do think most Arabs guys doesnt care if your a TS or a girl as long as your beautiful hehe. I met an Arab guy in a restaurant before he didnt know that im a TS then a girl beside him whisper to him that im a boy, I was able to hear what the girl said so I got scared that the Arab guy might got shocked and punch my face. But he didnt and he was very kind to me. He even invited me back to his hotel room and not the girl. When I ask him why he chooses me and not the girl knowing that im a TS. He replied "I would love to make love to a beautiful boy like you but not with an ugly girl".

[Angel17TS]

Yes, the younger generation is more open as they have traveled alot. Buts its easy for me to stay hidden here, as well I pass easy, and also I can cover my face when I wish. But I dont need to. But to be honest Im not really into meeting guys becuase Im trying to make a good name for TS in the gulf. And if I get caught doing that it brings a bad name for me, my family and TS in general. So im just quietly here, (and so are other girls). You wont see us on websites, our pictures, or in porn, or escorting. Its becuase in order to get rights in our strict society we need to have a good name. But your are right, most dont care.

[canvor]

just my two cents.
i have spent 4 months of my life in dubai, and all i can say, it is the biggest open air brothel you can find in the world (ok, i haven't had the chance to go to thailand yet ;))
i used to live in a not too shabby area but there were working girls all over the place (by day and night!).
during this time i was approached by quite a few of them. they were mainly asian but especially in the more upstate bars you would find eastern european girls.
it has been over 3 years by now, but i doubt there ave been many changes. back then there were a few ts working as well.

[mishadark]

just my two cents.
i have spent 4 months of my life in dubai, and all i can say, it is the biggest open air brothel you can find in the world (ok, i haven't had the chance to go to thailand yet ;))
i used to live in a not too shabby area but there were working girls all over the place (by day and night!).
during this time i was approached by quite a few of them. they were mainly asian but especially in the more upstate bars you would find eastern european girls.
it has been over 3 years by now, but i doubt there ave been many changes. back then there were a few ts working as well.

That is so disrespectful of another's culture.
A bit like going to Soho & then saying the uk is a porno club...innit?

Sex trade is everywhere in the world but IT NEVER defines a people or culture.
[Oh, I'm not "down on whores" to quote jack the ripper, as I am a sex worker myself]
I lived in Thailand for a while, a long holiday...
amongst the locals. Beautiful wonderful people &
VERY CONSERVATIVE.


To say what you did, is equivalent of saying all women are whores & its ok to therefore rape them.
Are you a rapist or a paedophile? Coz thats how you're comment struk me.
You are an ignorant tosser {wanker}

I suggest you say sorry to Angel17TS.

[canvor]

just my two cents.
i have spent 4 months of my life in dubai, and all i can say, it is the biggest open air brothel you can find in the world (ok, i haven't had the chance to go to thailand yet ;))
i used to live in a not too shabby area but there were working girls all over the place (by day and night!).
during this time i was approached by quite a few of them. they were mainly asian but especially in the more upstate bars you would find eastern european girls.
it has been over 3 years by now, but i doubt there ave been many changes. back then there were a few ts working as well.

That is so disrespectful of another's culture.
A bit like going to Soho & then saying the uk is a porno club...innit?

Sex trade is everywhere in the world but IT NEVER defines a people or culture.
[Oh, I'm not "down on whores" to quote jack the ripper, as I am a sex worker myself]
I lived in Thailand for a while, a long holiday...
amongst the locals. Beautiful wonderful people &
VERY CONSERVATIVE.


To say what you did, is equivalent of saying all women are whores & its ok to therefore rape them.
Are you a papist or a paedophile? Coz thats how you're comment struk me.
You are an ignorant tosser {wanker}

I suggest you say sorry to Angel17TS.

gee, i wasn't being disrespectful in any way. if you read my post carefully you would have noticed that i wasn't in any way juding anyone for doing anything. all i was doing is point out what my observations were - apart from the comment on thailand which was meant to be funny. anyways...
if that didn't come across i am sorry. could be a language barrier, as i am not a native english speaker. so please forgive me if i have offended anyone. it never was my intention.

[canvor]

just my two cents.
i have spent 4 months of my life in dubai, and all i can say, it is the biggest open air brothel you can find in the world (ok, i haven't had the chance to go to thailand yet ;))
i used to live in a not too shabby area but there were working girls all over the place (by day and night!).
during this time i was approached by quite a few of them. they were mainly asian but especially in the more upstate bars you would find eastern european girls.
it has been over 3 years by now, but i doubt there ave been many changes. back then there were a few ts working as well.

That is so disrespectful of another's culture.
A bit like going to Soho & then saying the uk is a porno club...innit?

Sex trade is everywhere in the world but IT NEVER defines a people or culture.
[Oh, I'm not "down on whores" to quote jack the ripper, as I am a sex worker myself]
I lived in Thailand for a while, a long holiday...
amongst the locals. Beautiful wonderful people &
VERY CONSERVATIVE.


To say what you did, is equivalent of saying all women are whores & its ok to therefore rape them.
Are you a papist or a paedophile? Coz thats how you're comment struk me.
You are an ignorant tosser {wanker}

I suggest you say sorry to Angel17TS.

gee, i wasn't being disrespectful in any way. if you read my post carefully you would have noticed that i wasn't in any way juding anyone for doing anything. all i was doing is point out what my observations were - apart from the comment on thailand which was meant to be funny. anyways...
if that didn't come across i am sorry. could be a language barrier, as i am not a native english speaker. so please forgive me if i have offended anyone. it never was my intention.

[mishadark]

Heya
Thats ok. I tend to jump at things like this, a bit of a sensitive area for me thats all.

Your last post you come across as really ok.
{{{{{{hugs}}}}}


Misha. xx

[canvor]

thanks misha,

although i have to admit, after reading my post again it was a bit insensitive. the whole purpose was to show the big difference of what is being thought of the u.a.e. and what is actually happening over there.
i expected to come to a very conservitive country. at least that is what it is portrayed as in the media.
but it is not. at least not in dubai (i.e. the girls on the street).
and i think this can be said for the ts-scene in dubai as well. they have their place in dubai, although you might never imagine it. but they most definitely have a hard time anywhere outside the metropole.
dubai is very western oriented, whereas, when you have the chance to see more of the u.a.e., you actually get to experience quite a different arab country.

[daloo3xxx]

I agree with Angel17TS with all what she said.

I used to live there. It is the most safe place in the world.

[Angel17TS]

Well yes sure there is prostitution here, there are a few areas in older parts known for that. Typically tourist spots. However very rare to see it on the streets, Usually there are a few known hotels that people go to when looking for that.

But you say "the whole purpose was to show the big difference of what is being thought of the u.a.e. and what is actually happening over there" I guess my question is what is thought of is your own perception. Nobody said Dubai is moral centre of the universe and a perfect society. And what is actually happening here? Dubai is no different than any other multi-cultural large city. Great parts, and bad parts, good people, and some bad ones.

Im not really sure why people like to be so quick to point out faults in Dubai. I mean I could list off why I feel Dubai has many better qualities than most major cities of the world. Dubai is wonderful city. And its vision for the future is really amazing. But by no means is it or will be a Utopia, where no crime or problems exist. Although it is one the worlds safest cities. I have been to many cities. I have lived in New York, been to Rio, Paris, London, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Toronto, Boston, Miami, Milan, etc etc. And in all there is some bad parts. But if a post comes up about NYC or some other place, how does it look if Im just quick to point out the faults? It would sound as Im just some jealous Arab. So when people put down my home, I just feel they are jealous.

If I could I would like to ask in which part of Dubai you lived? 90% of Dubai is comprised of foreigners and tourists, so while prostitution may be popular obviously their business is coming mostly from the visitors. I have been to Rio De Janiero many times. If I were to stay in the Central area,(I wouldnt) or stroll the Copa late at night, I will see prostitutes, many. But that tells me nothing of the other beautiful parts of Rio and the country. As in the case of Dubai, the majority of their customers are foreigners too. To call it an open air brothel is extreme. If you believe that you basically spent all your time in the dingy bars and bad hotels. I wish you got out more, you would have had a nicer experience. Unless of course the brothel experience was what you wanted.

Anyway, Im sleepy and rambling. But, I love Dubai. Its a great place to live. But I still will travel and see every other place in this world I can. And some I will love and some I will hate. But in each one Im sure I met some kind people.

[daloo3xxx]

I used to live in Jabal Ali neer Ibn Batouta mall and Jabal ali village..

Angel17TS, I sent to you praivte message .. I look forward to hear from you.

[Angel17TS]

Ibn Battuta, means son a duck lol.

Yes I get your message thank you. Im in a difficult time and a difficult place, just looking to meet nice people online thats all. =)

[daloo3xxx]

Ibn Battuta, means son a duck lol.

Yes I get your message thank you. Im in a difficult time and a difficult place, just looking to meet nice people online thats all. =)

Angel17TS,

Me too , I just want to meet and know people like you that I have a common intrests with them .. By the why I don't live in Dubai anymore. I know what do you mean by hard time and complected .. But I think I'm the kind of people that you will love to talk with ... It will be pleasure to know you babe. Please, I will wait for a privte message reply from you.

[rico87]

My buddy lives in Dubai and is a realtor, not that he needs to work but he told me they are building some big ass nite clubs.

FLY EMIRATES...BEST AIRLINE Until scumbag Arsenal now uses them as a sponsor.

[redtiger]

I personally wouldn't wanna visit any Middle Eastern country with a TS. Just the idea of being in a country where they can invoke Sharia Law anytime they feel the need to make an example of someone or when the fanatics smell blood makes me feel uneasy.

[Angel17TS]

I personally wouldn't wanna visit any Middle Eastern country with a TS. Just the idea of being in a country where they can invoke Sharia Law anytime they feel the need to make an example of someone or when the fanatics smell blood makes me feel uneasy.

Wow you are ignorant.

[transmaven]

Wow you are ignorant.

Please explain exactly why you think his comment is "ignorant."

I'm interested.

Thanks.

[flyboy]

Dubai is one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the world. Do a search on google and see for yourself. Did anyone know that the expat community of non arabs outnumbers the local arabs by 75% to 25%.

I was there a year ago and while walking thru malls, and on the street, you would think you're in any large desert city in the world. The architecture there was awesome, the restaurants plentiful and good, the weather (while in winter anyways) was fantastic. I felt absolutely no threat at anytime being an American dude over there... none! Very nice people... although they drive crazy over there. I enjoyed it.

I also understand that Shari'a Law won't apply to non Arabs (Angel17TS correct me if wrong there) so no worries. It's a great place to visit guys.... truly.

[Angel17TS]

Wow you are ignorant.

Please explain exactly why you think his comment is "ignorant."

I'm interested.

Thanks.

The reason I say this is firstly Sharia Law isnt invoked, it is the law. Its not something you invoke as in Marshall Law, Curfews etc. It is law based on religious beliefs, the same as the constitution is based on religious beliefs of the "founding fathers", and the same as Christianity is used as the basis for law in the US, eg Abortion, Gay Marriage. Also, the use of the word fanatics and blood is offensive. In other words "some crazy muslim will want blood and will get you". Its obvious the writer has no concept of this place. He has been led to believe becuase there are some fanatics, there must be many. I have seen shows about fanatical Christians in the southern states who carry guns, wear white sheets and burn crosses. Shall I then say "I wont go to USA as a TS becuase some fanatic may smell blood and feel the need to make an example someone". I am intelligent enough to know the beliefs of the Klan are not the beliefs of 99% of Americans. So why then do so many Westerns think the beliefs of Bin Ladin are the beliefs of the whole population? That would be ignorant of me to believe that some fanatics guide the whole of a society. If the UAE was as truly scary as some may believe, why is it one of the safest cities on earth? Why does Haliburton one the USA's largest corporations have massive offices and staff here? Why do most most Fortune 500 companies have this? Why is 1 in 10 a millionaire? Why is it one of the fastest growing cities in the world? Is it becuase its an extreme and fanatical society? Or perhaps its the total opposite, a multi-cultural city just like NYC or London or Hong Kong. And as the person above mentioned, the vast majority of the population is not Arab, but expatriates, Indians, Brits, Americans, Canadians, Aussies, Asians etc. Therefore the society is made up of many cultures which guide the laws and morals of the society. The writer I believe is from Chicago. Chicago has more crime in one year the whole of UAE in 10. (and Ive actually been to the place Im commenting on) The president of the usa could invoke Marshall Law, the Patriot Act (done), or the Draft to bring kids into wars. But what on earth does that have to do with someone visiting athe USA for a vacation? Ignorance is bliss as they say, Its easier to believe its a crazy place, with crazy people, and just dont go becuase its safer to stay in your home state.

[Angel17TS]

double post

[Ibrar]

Wow you are ignorant.

Please explain exactly why you think his comment is "ignorant."

I'm interested.

Thanks.

The reason I say this is firstly Sharia Law isnt invoked, it is the law. Its not something you invoke as in Marshall Law, Curfews etc. It is law based on religious beliefs, the same as the constitution is based on religious beliefs of the "founding fathers", and the same as Christianity is used as the basis for law in the US, eg Abortion, Gay Marriage. Also, the use of the word fanatics and blood is offensive. In other words "some crazy muslim will want blood and will get you". Its obvious the writer has no concept of this place. He has been led to believe becuase there are some fanatics, there must be many. I have seen shows about fanatical Christians in the southern states who carry guns, wear white sheets and burn crosses. Shall I then say "I wont go to USA as a TS becuase some fanatic may smell blood and feel the need to make an example someone". I am intelligent enough to know the beliefs of the Klan are not the beliefs of 99% of Americans. So why then do so many Westerns think the beliefs of Bin Ladin are the beliefs of the whole population? That would be ignorant of me to believe that some fanatics guide the whole of a society. If the UAE was as truly scary as some may believe, why is it one of the safest cities on earth? Why does Haliburton one the USA's largest corporations have massive offices and staff here? Why do most most Fortune 500 companies have this? Why is 1 in 10 a millionaire? Why is it one of the fastest growing cities in the world? Is it becuase its an extreme and fanatical society? Or perhaps its the total opposite, a multi-cultural city just like NYC or London or Hong Kong. And as the person above mentioned, the vast majority of the population is not Arab, but expatriates, Indians, Brits, Americans, Canadians, Aussies, Asians etc. Therefore the society is made up of many cultures which guide the laws and morals of the society. The writer I believe is from Chicago. Chicago has more crime in one year the whole of UAE in 10. (and Ive actually been to the place Im commenting on) The president of the usa could invoke Marshall Law, the Patriot Act (done), or the Draft to bring kids into wars. But what on earth does that have to do with someone visiting athe USA for a vacation? Ignorance is bliss as they say, Its easier to believe its a crazy place, with crazy people, and just dont go becuase its safer to stay in your home state.

well said.

[rebirth58]

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[rebirth58]

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[SarahG]

It is law based on religious beliefs, the same as the constitution is based on religious beliefs of the "founding fathers"...

Actually that's incorrect, neither the Constitution or the articles of the Confederation were based on religion.

If anything the founding fathers went to HUGE lengths to keep religion out of our country's major founding documents. The articles, the constitution, the Federalist essays are all based on logic and logistics almost without exception.


and the same as Christianity is used as the basis for law in the US,

The origin of American law is generally from British common law, which in this case is more of an issue of political philosophy than religion. You have to remember, a lot of British legal philosophies were based under the theory that the purpose of government is to protect property, that's why some countries in the 16th-18th centuries would execute people for stealing chickens and insignificant property right crimes of that nature.

The issue with abortion & gay marriage does make it sound like our legal system is based on religious principles, but that is a misleading scenario. The problem is our system is based on representative government and therego if enough people want something, there is little in place to prevent them from getting it. This speaks nothing to why they want something, it could be for any or no reason at all (including religious views). Federalist #10 (http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa10.htm) explains this better than I ever could though, and it does indicate that as usual, Hobbs was right on the money in saying that people really shouldn't have enough political power to enact changes... because the masses are often their own worst enemy (slavery had popular approval here for quite a long time, just because the majority want something does not make it right).

Sadly this point is lost on ourselves to such a point that our foreign policy "experts" think democracy is the solution to all that is wrong with the world... nothing is further from the truth. Democracy does nothing to help the realities of this world if all the people in a given land elect are officials of the likes of Jerry Falwell, or Hezbollah.

[SarahG]

It is law based on religious beliefs, the same as the constitution is based on religious beliefs of the "founding fathers"...

Actually that's incorrect, neither the Constitution or the articles of the Confederation were based on religion.

If anything the founding fathers went to HUGE lengths to keep religion out of our country's major founding documents. The articles, the constitution, the Federalist essays are all based on logic and logistics almost without exception.


and the same as Christianity is used as the basis for law in the US,

The origin of American law is generally from British common law, which in this case is more of an issue of political philosophy than religion. You have to remember, a lot of British legal philosophies were based under the theory that the purpose of government is to protect property, that's why some countries in the 16th-18th centuries would execute people for stealing chickens and insignificant property right crimes of that nature.

The issue with abortion & gay marriage does make it sound like our legal system is based on religious principles, but that is a misleading scenario. The problem is our system is based on representative government and therego if enough people want something, there is little in place to prevent them from getting it. This speaks nothing to why they want something, it could be for any or no reason at all (including religious views). Federalist #10 (http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa10.htm) explains this better than I ever could though, and it does indicate that as usual, Hobbs was right on the money in saying that people really shouldn't have enough political power to enact changes... because the masses are often their own worst enemy (slavery had popular approval here for quite a long time, just because the majority want something does not make it right).

Sadly this point is lost on ourselves to such a point that our foreign policy "experts" think democracy is the solution to all that is wrong with the world... nothing is further from the truth. Democracy does nothing to help the realities of this world if all the people in a given land elect are officials of the likes of Jerry Falwell, or Hezbollah.

[Angel17TS]

It is law based on religious beliefs, the same as the constitution is based on religious beliefs of the "founding fathers"...

Actually that's incorrect, neither the Constitution or the articles of the Confederation were based on religion.

If anything the founding fathers went to HUGE lengths to keep religion out of our country's major founding documents. The articles, the constitution, the Federalist essays are all based on logic and logistics almost without exception.


and the same as Christianity is used as the basis for law in the US,

The origin of American law is generally from British common law, which in this case is more of an issue of political philosophy than religion. You have to remember, a lot of British legal philosophies were based under the theory that the purpose of government is to protect property, that's why some countries in the 16th-18th centuries would execute people for stealing chickens and insignificant property right crimes of that nature.

The issue with abortion & gay marriage does make it sound like our legal system is based on religious principles, but that is a misleading scenario. The problem is our system is based on representative government and therego if enough people want something, there is little in place to prevent them from getting it. This speaks nothing to why they want something, it could be for any or no reason at all (including religious views). Federalist #10 (http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa10.htm) explains this better than I ever could though, and it does indicate that as usual, Hobbs was right on the money in saying that people really shouldn't have enough political power to enact changes... because the masses are often their own worst enemy (slavery had popular approval here for quite a long time, just because the majority want something does not make it right).

Sadly this point is lost on ourselves to such a point that our foreign policy "experts" think democracy is the solution to all that is wrong with the world... nothing is further from the truth. Democracy does nothing to help the realities of this world if all the people in a given land elect are officials of the likes of Jerry Falwell, or Hezbollah.

I disagree or perhaps I didnt explain properly. What I mean to say is not they for example took the bible and used it to write the laws. But the morals and beliefs of the founders and the current politicians are shaped by their religious beliefs. Those beliefs find their way into laws of the society. The west claims to have a separation of Church and State. We however do not have this separation. However, I think both styles of government are equally influenced by religion.

[whatislove]

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23436226-details/Briton+jailed+in+Dubai+after+officials+find+cannab is+weighing+less+than+a+grain+of+sugar+under+his+s hoe/article.do

sounds like a barbaric place to me.

[SarahG]

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23436226-details/Briton+jailed+in+Dubai+after+officials+find+cannab is+weighing+less+than+a+grain+of+sugar+under+his+s hoe/article.do

sounds like a barbaric place to me.

Holy shit, you're not kidding;


A search by customs officials uncovered a speck of cannabis weighing just 0.003g - so small it would be invisible to the naked eye and weighing less than a grain of sugar - on the tread of one of his shoes.

Dubai International Airport is a major hub for the Middle East and thousands of Britons pass through it every year to holiday in the glamorous beach and shopping haven.

But many of those tourists and business travellers are likely to be unaware of the strict zero-tolerance drugs policy in the UAE.

One man has even been jailed for possession of three poppy seeds left over from a bread roll he ate at Heathrow Airport. Painkiller codeine is also banned.

Four years in prison for that? damn, and people complain about our drug sentencing.

[redrock85]

angelts, since you live in Dubai, are you muslim? isn't it difficult being a TS in a muslim family? i only ask because i know of such a situation and it was hell for the girl to transition.

[Angel17TS]

[quote="whatislove"]http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23436226-details/Briton+jailed+in+Dubai+after+officials+find+cannab is+weighing+less+than+a+grain+of+sugar+under+his+s hoe/article.do

sounds like a barbaric place to me.[/quote

Hey wow look at what I found.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/randy-credico/american-injustice----ant_b_145020.html

"Williams is serving a 25-year-to-life sentence for a "mickey mouse" drug offense that occurred in Albany County back in 1991. Anthony has already served more than 17 years of that sentence, dragged in chains from one maximum-security prison to the next."

Sounds like a BARBARIC place to me.

Fortunately Im smart enough to know a newspaper article doesnt sum up a nation. The day you can actually afford to come here let me know. You can then comment on the society and whether its barbaric or not.

[Paladin]

True or False? Last year a young American boy who was visiting Dubai with his family was molested by several Dubai citizens who were business acquaintances of his father. When the boy’s family filed an official complaint the boy was arrested for homosexuality.

I cant say, I didnt hear anything about that. There was another case, similiar but the men were charged, and are in Jail. The boy wasnt charged with anything. So sometimes the right thing is done, and sometimes no, as in every legal system.

The story is true. the family is French and the Fench Government filed an official complaint, but i don't think it went anywhere...

Yes it did go somewhere, I just said the men are in Jail, and the boy went home, but I believe still comes here as he has some family here. It was in the paper awhile ago.

What are you like 65? You recommend people visit Florida over Dubai. lol
There are much better beaches is Tahiti, Australia, India, Thailand, Seychelles, Brasil, Antigua, so whats your point.

Where do i start? How about the water. In FL you can drink the water without getting sick or dying whereas in most of the countries you list, as well as the UAE, you are SOL on that. Heck some of those places, even the ocean - seafront water is not safe.

How about being able to choose one's own religion or not as one desires? That's not the case in the UAE and some other places that you listed either.

But my best is being to cruise up and down well maintained roadways in whaetver car i want without being stopped arbitrarily by the national police. You can even drive on the beach in FL!

Dubai is taking a serious hit with oil prices - just wait until they have to pay off those notes!

[Angel17TS]

True or False? Last year a young American boy who was visiting Dubai with his family was molested by several Dubai citizens who were business acquaintances of his father. When the boy’s family filed an official complaint the boy was arrested for homosexuality.

I cant say, I didnt hear anything about that. There was another case, similiar but the men were charged, and are in Jail. The boy wasnt charged with anything. So sometimes the right thing is done, and sometimes no, as in every legal system.

The story is true. the family is French and the Fench Government filed an official complaint, but i don't think it went anywhere...

Yes it did go somewhere, I just said the men are in Jail, and the boy went home, but I believe still comes here as he has some family here. It was in the paper awhile ago.

What are you like 65? You recommend people visit Florida over Dubai. lol
There are much better beaches is Tahiti, Australia, India, Thailand, Seychelles, Brasil, Antigua, so whats your point.

Where do i start? How about the water. In FL you can drink the water without getting sick or dying whereas in most of the countries you list, as well as the UAE, you are SOL on that. Heck some of those places, even the ocean - seafront water is not safe.

How about being able to choose one's own religion or not as one desires? That's not the case in the UAE and some other places that you listed either.

But my best is being to cruise up and down well maintained roadways in whaetver car i want without being stopped arbitrarily by the national police. You can even drive on the beach in FL!

Dubai is taking a serious hit with oil prices - just wait until they have to pay off those notes!

Lol you are retarded and ignorant. Everything you said is totally made up and based on nothing. There are natural springs flowing from the mountains which you can drink from straight. IS the Arabian Gulf more polluted that the Gulf of Mexico? lol Most of the water sold here comes straight from the natural sources. And everyone drinks the water from the taps, so what on earth are you talking about?

And there is no such thing as National Police. So they dont stop anyone. As a matter of fact, myself or nobody in my family or anyone I know has ever been stopped by the local police. IF anything the police do very little stopping, except if there is accidents.

And umm ya we can drive on beaches and in the dessert, Just not on the public beaches were the people are. (why do you want to ruin beaches by driving on them? sounds super dumb)

And actually while the rest of the world has expected growth rates of 0% and negative Dubai has predicted 4% while many financial institutions are saying 10%. And Ummmm, why do you think we build so many things for tourism and attract Global Business here to setup offices and factories? Its so there no dependence on Oil.

Your old, no intelligent and well traveled person would ever choose Florida over any of the places I mentioned. Lol nobody dreams of a trip to Florida. Your dreaming. Your comments are silly and pointless.

[whatislove]

[quote=whatislove]http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23436226-details/Briton+jailed+in+Dubai+after+officials+find+cannab is+weighing+less+than+a+grain+of+sugar+under+his+s hoe/article.do

sounds like a barbaric place to me.[/quote

Hey wow look at what I found.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/randy-credico/american-injustice----ant_b_145020.html

"Williams is serving a 25-year-to-life sentence for a "mickey mouse" drug offense that occurred in Albany County back in 1991. Anthony has already served more than 17 years of that sentence, dragged in chains from one maximum-security prison to the next."

Sounds like a BARBARIC place to me.

Fortunately Im smart enough to know a newspaper article doesnt sum up a nation. The day you can actually afford to come here let me know. You can then comment on the society and whether its barbaric or not.

I'm not trying to drag a 20 year old case up to make a point.... There's plenty of people fucked from your laws in 2008.


Do you always defend your country by attacking what the US does?

Implying that what I can and cannot afford has any thing to do with a guy jailed for 4 years for INVISIBLE weed on the bottom of his shoe.... or how about being jailed for poppyseeds from a fucking muffin bought at the airport! 2008!

Just WOW!

Your country's laws are indefensible and if your attitude is representative of your countrymen, I won't want to visit even after a regime change.

[whatislove]

By the way Angel, do you know the difference between and article and and opinion piece in a blog?

[BrendaQG]

@Angel17TS السلام عليكم

From a convert muslim sister. Don't ask me to conversate more in Arabic as a number of chapters from the Qr'an and my name are basically all the Arabic I speak.

I know how you feel encountering these questions. The existance of LGBT folks in Islamic countries goes against the deeply held stereotypes that prevail in the west.

Enlighten people on the true place of transsexuals in the Muslim world. Never underestimate the depths of what LGBT muslims in the west call pink Islamophobia. It is prefectly acceptable to bash Islam and Muslims, negative news from the mideast is believe uncritically and positive news is greeted with utmost skepticism.

Consider the way transsexuals from Iran are written of. Iran’s Multipurpose Transsexuals (http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/18/irans-multipurpose-transsexuals/) Typical of so many writings about Iran's transsexuals it basically gives the impression that gay males are being forced into sex changes or they will face summary execution. The story just can't be that in Iran the government recognizes transsexuals new identities and treats us as women in every way after SRS.

It is noteable that the government of Iran only pays half the cost of SRS there not all of it. They would not execute someone simply for not having SRS and being with men. Pre-op's there have appeared in movies and in public quite openly. Yet the myth persist and is accepted as fact by many.
This logic will not sway allot of people but there it is.

[emo]

Angel17TS-

It was very interesting to read what you have to say. I have a lot of respect for you.

And it's sad that so many people in America have no experience with Arab nations, so they assume that they are barbaric.

[Angel17TS]

[quote=whatislove]http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23436226-details/Briton+jailed+in+Dubai+after+officials+find+cannab is+weighing+less+than+a+grain+of+sugar+under+his+s hoe/article.do

sounds like a barbaric place to me.[/quote

Hey wow look at what I found.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/randy-credico/american-injustice----ant_b_145020.html

"Williams is serving a 25-year-to-life sentence for a "mickey mouse" drug offense that occurred in Albany County back in 1991. Anthony has already served more than 17 years of that sentence, dragged in chains from one maximum-security prison to the next."

Sounds like a BARBARIC place to me.

Fortunately Im smart enough to know a newspaper article doesnt sum up a nation. The day you can actually afford to come here let me know. You can then comment on the society and whether its barbaric or not.

I'm not trying to drag a 20 year old case up to make a point.... There's plenty of people fucked from your laws in 2008.


Do you always defend your country by attacking what the US does?

Implying that what I can and cannot afford has any thing to do with a guy jailed for 4 years for INVISIBLE weed on the bottom of his shoe.... or how about being jailed for poppyseeds from a fucking muffin bought at the airport! 2008!

Just WOW!

Your country's laws are indefensible and if your attitude is representative of your countrymen, I won't want to visit even after a regime change.

Do you always attack other countries for no reason? Just so you know I like the US and Ive probably seen more than you of it. I probably have more financial interests there you can ever hope to have. So its not a US vs the world post. The point is anyone can dig up articles about misjustice on ANY country. Its silly to dig up articles and say how barbaric a place is based on that. Ok so maybe some people are being held improperly and that is a shame. At the same time you are ignorant to WHY there is zero tolerance to drugs. You assume "its a Barbaric place" becuase its Muslim, its Arab, its over there and unseen. Rather you dont think about it, Dubai is in a key location, between Asia and Africa, huge shipping ports, easy access to remote areas, which basically means it is an ideal place for drug trafficking. It can be used to bring drugs from Asia to Europe and the west easily. So the way they decided to fight that problem was to have zero tolerance. Maybe it doesnt work in all cases, but its certainly a deterrent for the pro's. And has had big results.

The point of using a 20 year old case is to show the man is STILL there in prison. So obviously the laws there are still injust. Anyone can dig up 1000's upon 1000's of cases of injustice in the US, false drug charges, amongst many other things. But problems in a justice system have zero to do with the people and its culture.

People who visit Dubai are open minded and usually well traveled already. So as you say, its most likely you will not come for those reasons and no other. I know from the time I lived there, my visits and friendship of Americans your attitude is nothing like the the majority and thank god for that. (and yes I can comment on your country with knowledge, not based on newspaper articles or bloggs as I did and do spend massive amounts of time there)

Yes there are Arabs in your country. Its ok dont be scared.

[Angel17TS]

@Angel17TS السلام عليكم

From a convert muslim sister. Don't ask me to conversate more in Arabic as a number of chapters from the Qr'an and my name are basically all the Arabic I speak.

I know how you feel encountering these questions. The existance of LGBT folks in Islamic countries goes against the deeply held stereotypes that prevail in the west.

Enlighten people on the true place of transsexuals in the Muslim world. Never underestimate the depths of what LGBT muslims in the west call pink Islamophobia. It is prefectly acceptable to bash Islam and Muslims, negative news from the mideast is believe uncritically and positive news is greeted with utmost skepticism.

Consider the way transsexuals from Iran are written of. Iran’s Multipurpose Transsexuals (http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/18/irans-multipurpose-transsexuals/) Typical of so many writings about Iran's transsexuals it basically gives the impression that gay males are being forced into sex changes or they will face summary execution. The story just can't be that in Iran the government recognizes transsexuals new identities and treats us as women in every way after SRS.

It is noteable that the government of Iran only pays half the cost of SRS there not all of it. They would not execute someone simply for not having SRS and being with men. Pre-op's there have appeared in movies and in public quite openly. Yet the myth persist and is accepted as fact by many.
This logic will not sway allot of people but there it is.

Asalam aleykum and Mabrukkkk Brenda. A pleasure to meet you. Yes as you say "It is perfectly acceptable to bash Islam and Muslims, negative news from the mideast is believe uncritically and positive news is greeted with utmost skepticism." I think that is so clearly seen here in this posting subject. Somehow, it went from a poster asking if there are an TS in Dubai, escorting etc (PS to guys Im not an Escort so stop asking please). The moment any Muslim country is mentioned, the articles and bizarre questions come out. Is this true, did this happen etc, or just general negative accusations of the culture.

That is sad. If someone ask are there any TS in London. Shall I post questions and ask if its true some guy was jailed for minor drug possession? That would be silly and only show me in a negative light, as its obvious I have some ignorance or bias to the place mentioned.

So yes it upsets me. Its my home and country. Its only 37 years old. Growing quickly, too fast sometimes. The negative towards Islam in general I dont think will ever change. It takes effort to understand. And its much easier to believe the images seen on tv, than to think about it, and question it. Nobody ever shows the real stories in Middle East or Iran as you say. And yes, TS are very accepted and some quite famous in Iran. The positive position of Iran is used as basis for many of my debates and rights issues here. These stories wont be told in the west becuase it changes perceptions which in turn stops Fear, which is the most powerful weapon the media has. Even mention Iran or Dubai or Middle East to people and visions of wars and terrorists come to mind. But reality is far from this. People are so quick to point out some bad thing and say the culture is barbaric. Yet, without looking at a society as a whole, they shouldn't speak. We have healthcare, FREE, and world class at that. We have University Education, FREE. The crime rate is almost zero. We do not have Old Age and Retirement Homes here, becuase it would be unthinkable to let your parents or anyone in your family live away from you. Every single Citizen has a home. A real home and we are given money to have this. Does that sound like a Barbaric place?

Yes at first glance, the culture is different, and Islam is different. However as you know, at a close look, the values and beliefs, are quite similiar. At the end of the day, everyone just wants a happy and safe family. Sadly, some dont to see that.

Maa Salaama =)

[Angel17TS]

Angel17TS-

It was very interesting to read what you have to say. I have a lot of respect for you.

And it's sad that so many people in America have no experience with Arab nations, so they assume that they are barbaric.

Thanks for your words dear. I dont mind anyone to disagree or debate for sure. It is dialogue that makes for change. However, the questions asked or points raised aren't even logical. And there are asked from a standpoint of ignorance or are accusative.

I dont really want to be responding to these, so perhaps Ive said enough. It doesn't really matter what I say. People believe what they want or more accurately are told to, and until a real experience changes that, they wont stop believing that.

But in any case, the vast amount of negative is always outweighed, by even one positive, so thank you =)

[Nicole Dupre]

Heya
Thats ok. I tend to jump at things like this, a bit of a sensitive area for me thats all.

Your last post you come across as really ok.
{{{{{{hugs}}}}}


Misha. xx

Yeah, well you're a total 'tard. Big shock.

[shemale-411]

Saw this thread for the first time. I don't know what it is with the UAE, but some of the highest end TS escorts in the world pass through there on a regular basis. It kinda make sense in that it's a playground for the rich and famous. One I know from LA makes it a very regular stop of hers. The Malaysian girls all pass through there also, but they have an advantage of being Muslim. It is kinda a dichotomy, you'd think the place would be detrimental, but if the girls go where the money is.

[Prospero]

Check out http://www.ts-dating.com

they have quite a few girls working in Dubai listed

[giovanni_hotel]

Dubai is open and progressive for a MIDDLE EASTERN country, Americans seeking fun/nightlife/adventure there would do well to remember this fact.

Zero tolerance drug policy or not, any country where you can serve a 4 year prison sentence for a crumb of marijuana on the bottom of your shoe is a far cry from the freedoms many of us are used to experiencing here in the USA.

And stop dissing Florida because retirees choose to relocate there. If I had three days to spend with the choice between Dubai or South Beach, I think I'm gonna stay local, fuck some killa tgirls and smoke a fat sticky bowl of home grown.;)

[gallo73]

Some news regarding ts scene in Dubai?
I'll visit Dubai in the next week......
help help help

[TsJennifer]

I have never been however Ive always wanted to go. You could always take me. ;)

I would fit in well there seeing how Im half Morroccan and Im very close to my arabic culture! I speak Moroccan and Arabic Fluenty!

Hope u find that girl your looking for there~

XOXO~

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[TSMichelleAustin]

I had a client a few wks ago visiting from there. He said I should go over its widely accepted, but Idk as long as its not going on in public.

[gallo73]

Jennifer U R gorgeus!!!!

[TsJennifer]

Jennifer U R gorgeus!!!!

Thanks babe!

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