More generalizing on admirers straight or gay?

[melissacarter]

I always felt there were two types of admirers. And this has been further confirmed by my experiences in business.

There are some men, and I would say they are in a slight minority, that are truly heterosexual men (as I see them), that is they look for and appreciate a transsexual woman as a woman first, her anatomy is secondary. They show great appreciation for the feminizing efforts we make and these are the men who often make comments that "TS are more feminine than natural born women." They pay little to no attention to our dicks, and often are beyond the lingo of "tops" and "bottoms". These guys are the best of the bunch, in my opinion, they look for a true relationship with a transsexual woman. They are not into discreet motel hookups and have no problem in public. These men approach the entire relationship and view of a transwoman in a hetero context, that is the TS is just another woman (there is no significant distinction), and it is for this reason I describe them as hetero.

The other type of admirer, understand there are some who fall in between, is focused on shemale dick. They are often men with full lives, often married, and in general are looking for sex more than love. As an escort I can confirm this as about 75% of my clients are married. They seek an experience lacking in their home life. They experience excitement exploring a passable, alluring woman with a lively cock. I do emphasize lively- many of these guys will directly ask on the phone, "are you functional?" some even go too far and wanna know how much I cum bla bla bla those dudes I hang up on. For these men, the focal point is cock, although it is still the entire package. In other words, it is not a purely gay fixation or else he would be with another man not a transsexual (for those types any adult bookstore will do they can get cock for free). It is this second type of admirer I view as much closer to gay because of their cock-oriented interest. It's also worth noting that from my perspective, I personally don't view the experience as gay. He doesnt make me feel any less a woman instead I view him as a straight male with homosexual curiosity.

I would not classify these two types as gay. I would say the cock-fixated admirer does focus greatly on anatomy and in some cases there could be confusion/denial with homosexual desires. Still, his desire to be with a woman makes his interest different from a man-on-man fantasy. I do believe however, that when a man desires to be fucked that crosses the line. There is undoubtedly something gay about a man wanting to be fucked by a cock, regardless of who it is attached to. That is not a judgment, it is simply an observation.

The whole notion of transsexualism is rooted in some degree of bisexuality, simply by definition. That is not to deny the heterosexual admirer his "straight" label. It's kind of like he's saying, "OK, she has a dick, so what? It doesn't mean I need to mess with it." If the trans woman behaves/acts/looks like a natural woman that places their relationship squarely in the straight zone. I say transsexuals are rooted in bisexuality merely as a description of our starting point. It is what direction we go that defines identity and sexual orientation. If a TS identifies as a woman, she will make efforts to present as such and eventually her original gender is meaningless and her genitalia is incidental.

These are my gross generalizations. The shredding will now begin.

[phobun]

I always felt there were two types of admirers. And this has been further confirmed by my experiences in business.

There are some men, and I would say they are in a slight minority, that are truly heterosexual men (as I see them), that is they look for and appreciate a transsexual woman as a woman first, her anatomy is secondary. They show great appreciation for the feminizing efforts we make and these are the men who often make comments that "TS are more feminine than natural born women." They pay little to no attention to our dicks, and often are beyond the lingo of "tops" and "bottoms". These guys are the best of the bunch, in my opinion, they look for a true relationship with a transsexual woman. They are not into discreet motel hookups and have no problem in public. These men approach the entire relationship and view of a transwoman in a hetero context, that is the TS is just another woman (there is no significant distinction), and it is for this reason I describe them as hetero.

The other type of admirer, understand there are some who fall in between, is focused on shemale dick. They are often men with full lives, often married, and in general are looking for sex more than love. As an escort I can confirm this as about 75% of my clients are married. They seek an experience lacking in their home life. They experience excitement exploring a passable, alluring woman with a lively cock. I do emphasize lively- many of these guys will directly ask on the phone, "are you functional?" some even go too far and wanna know how much I cum bla bla bla those dudes I hang up on. For these men, the focal point is cock, although it is still the entire package. In other words, it is not a purely gay fixation or else he would be with another man not a transsexual (for those types any adult bookstore will do they can get cock for free). It is this second type of admirer I view as much closer to gay because of their cock-oriented interest. It's also worth noting that from my perspective, I personally don't view the experience as gay. He doesnt make me feel any less a woman instead I view him as a straight male with homosexual curiosity.

I would not classify these two types as gay. I would say the cock-fixated admirer does focus greatly on anatomy and in some cases there could be confusion/denial with homosexual desires. Still, his desire to be with a woman makes his interest different from a man-on-man fantasy. I do believe however, that when a man desires to be fucked that crosses the line. There is undoubtedly something gay about a man wanting to be fucked by a cock, regardless of who it is attached to. That is not a judgment, it is simply an observation.

The whole notion of transsexualism is rooted in some degree of bisexuality, simply by definition. That is not to deny the heterosexual admirer his "straight" label. It's kind of like he's saying, "OK, she has a dick, so what? It doesn't mean I need to mess with it." If the trans woman behaves/acts/looks like a natural woman that places their relationship squarely in the straight zone. I say transsexuals are rooted in bisexuality merely as a description of our starting point. It is what direction we go that defines identity and sexual orientation. If a TS identifies as a woman, she will make efforts to present as such and eventually her original gender is meaningless and her genitalia is incidental.

These are my gross generalizations. The shredding will now begin.

[Danielle Foxx]

Without ranting too much...

I think there needs to be a 3rd gender - I have always said it

[Felicia Katt]

Straight and Gay are both more complex social constructs rather than just simple sexual labels. But whether they are incidental or instrumental, if both partners have the same geniitals, neither can claim to be 100 per cent straight. I'm not sure why there is so much resistance to being 90 per cent straight,, 90 per cent is still an A on almost any report card. :)

FK

[cindi4554]

Just my two cents...personally, I agree with Danielle.... I have always believed that there is a Third Gender/Sex, although getting a definitive description of attributes and characteristics is almost impossible, since it will vary from person to person. In my view, the Third Sex represents a sensual melding of the best qualities of both genders....

It seems the world is hung up on catagorizing everything, as if there were no shades of gray between the stark opposities of black and white. For me, it's an attraction to a truly liberated person who has the courage of their convictions - no small task these days.

[Odelay]

The guys you like the most, the guys who basically ignore your cock, are probably the same guys who refuse to eat pussy. To me, they're missing out on a glorious part of sex. There's nothing like getting your partner off in a wild way. The smells, tastes, sounds and feeling of performing oral on any sexual partner is awesome.

Also, I think there is something sort of repressed about someone (guy or girl) who refuses to perform oral. I think it's a sexual hangup all in itself.

[scroller]

I would not classify these two types as gay. I would say the cock-fixated admirer does focus greatly on anatomy and in some cases there could be confusion/denial with homosexual desires. Still, his desire to be with a woman makes his interest different from a man-on-man fantasy. I do believe however, that when a man desires to be fucked that crosses the line. There is undoubtedly something gay about a man wanting to be fucked by a cock, regardless of who it is attached to. That is not a judgment, it is simply an observation.

Thing is, it's the transexuals who are pursuing SRS who are truly "obsessed" with dick. They don't like it on themselves and it's a red-button issue when they're reminded of it (from what I can tell). So if a man likes the "whole package" -- face, boobs, legs, ass, and cock (that's 20% gay, I guess?) -- a lot of TS alarm bells go off and they only focus on the "liking the cock" part.

Your stance that any man who bottoms is gay is very out-of-sync with the current "Bend over Boyfriend" movement, at. al. For example, Tristan Taormino in the Village Voice:


The roles of active initiator and penetrator are no longer solely the domain of men, nor are the qualities of receptivity and passivity for girls only. Nowhere is this more apparent than in what I identify as the Bend Over Boyfriend Archetype

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bend_Over_Boyfriend

[melissacarter]

We assign categories because thats our collective inclination as a society. Individually we, not all but some, allow ourselves to be more broad minded. I did at the outset describe these as "gross generalizations" semi-sarcastic because any categorization of sexual preference is slighting someone somehow.

From the TS standpoint, and I'm sure all TS can agree on this, we have a vantage point you guys can never have. That is, we are the recipient of your attention and can see differences in each man's desires. There is no doubt some "straight" guys have gay tendencies and their TS interest is sparked. I've been with guys that swear they've never had sex with a man and guys who freely admit it, it is I will agree a wide spectrum.

I'll also agree with Felecia there are bisexual tendencies in almost everyone and 90% is probably a common figure for most heteros and homos. That is, pick a typically straight guy, and if he were to go through all his sexual thoughts at some point some time he at least thought about a gay encounter.

[melissacarter]

Your stance that any man who bottoms is gay is very out-of-sync with the current "Bend over Boyfriend" movement, at. al. For example, Tristan Taormino in the Village Voice:


The roles of active initiator and penetrator are no longer solely the domain of men, nor are the qualities of receptivity and passivity for girls only. Nowhere is this more apparent than in what I identify as the Bend Over Boyfriend Archetype

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bend_Over_Boyfriend

Taking cock in your ass is the definition of gay if you're a man. Your Bend Over Boyfriend", and probably Tristan Taormino are coming down with a small case of the queers.

[phobun]

The guys you like the most, the guys who basically ignore your cock, are probably the same guys who refuse to eat pussy.
This dood is totally clueless.
I go for GG's and post-ops, and I have enjoyed eating their pussies. It's pretty much an incredible turn-on to feel my tongue against her labia, then feel the labia part as my tongue slides inside, then feel her pelvic muscles tighten on my tongue. God I love it.

[arnie666]

We assign categories because thats our collective inclination as a society. Individually we, not all but some, allow ourselves to be more broad minded. I did at the outset describe these as "gross generalizations" semi-sarcastic because any categorization of sexual preference is slighting someone somehow.

From the TS standpoint, and I'm sure all TS can agree on this, we have a vantage point you guys can never have. That is, we are the recipient of your attention and can see differences in each man's desires. There is no doubt some "straight" guys have gay tendencies and their TS interest is sparked. I've been with guys that swear they've never had sex with a man and guys who freely admit it, it is I will agree a wide spectrum.

I'll also agree with Felecia there are bisexual tendencies in almost everyone and 90% is probably a common figure for most heteros and homos. That is, pick a typically straight guy, and if he were to go through all his sexual thoughts at some point some time he at least thought about a gay encounter.

I can safely say I have never thought once about having a sexual encounter with a man who looks like a man. Never once even thought another man was attractive.If you asked me if a man was attractive I would not have a clue.

I think it is homo propoganda to suggest that most men are bi to a degree.They want people to view their sexual choices as not abnormal.Thats understandable.Being as how they used to imprison homos or believe it was a mental illness to shag another mans arse. I should say also that I don't think there is anything wrong with a man loving another man , providing they keep their man love to themselves.

I must say I also disagree with you , that a man who wants to get fucked in the ass by a shemale is necessarily Gay or Bi. or more Gayer than a man who just wants to fuck you. I myself enjoy being shagged because I like being dominated and being shagged by a girl is to me the ultimate humiliation. It's a bit like those men who see women dressed in leather to be beaten and yes I enjoy that too.

I would say there are other men like me who are into that scene for this reason and would never even think of sleeping with a man who looks like a man. It is all about power exchange that you cannot get for whatever reason in your life.

[DL_NL]

I still think that the 'gay or not?' debate is useless and boring. Who cares what niche you fit in and to what percentage you're gay?

It would be more productive to distinguish between assholes and nice guys, whatever sexual niche they fit into.

[tsntx]

I must say I also disagree with you , that a man who wants to get fucked in the ass by a shemale is necessarily Gay or Bi. or more Gayer than a man who just wants to fuck you.


i agree w/ this

ive dated guys that were 90% tops and guys that were 75% if not more bottom

it doesnt make one faggier then the other in my eyes
if a guy is into ts he SHOULD enjoy the whole package

if he doesnt he should either be w/ genetic men or genetic women

[Danielle Foxx]

I must say I also disagree with you , that a man who wants to get fucked in the ass by a shemale is necessarily Gay or Bi. or more Gayer than a man who just wants to fuck you.


i agree w/ this

ive dated guys that were 90% tops and guys that were 75% if not more bottom

it doesnt make one faggier then the other in my eyes
if a guy is into ts he SHOULD enjoy the whole package

if he doesnt he should either be w/ genetic men or genetic women


I consider myself a TS and yet the men who sleep with me sure seem like they eat a mean pussy... what does that make them in your eyes... out of curiosity...

[tsntx]

I must say I also disagree with you , that a man who wants to get fucked in the ass by a shemale is necessarily Gay or Bi. or more Gayer than a man who just wants to fuck you.


i agree w/ this

ive dated guys that were 90% tops and guys that were 75% if not more bottom

it doesnt make one faggier then the other in my eyes
if a guy is into ts he SHOULD enjoy the whole package

if he doesnt he should either be w/ genetic men or genetic women


I consider myself a TS and yet the men who sleep with me sure seem like they eat a mean pussy... what does that make them in your eyes... out of curiosity...

that would be a guy enjoying the full package of a TS

duh? i wasnt talking about post-ops and neither was the op

[Justawannabe]

I find I have to agree with tsntx.

Liking anal penetration isn't the definition of being gay, that would be liking having sex with someone of the same sex.

A major element of this discussion that always bothers me is the same misconception that happens in political discussions. Folks tend to think along a one dimensional spectrum, if they even give room for a spectrum, when the reality is there are far more than one axis involved.

In politics you would look at social values, economic values, defense values, etc. Pretty much a separate axis for every major topic. In sexuality, it would be physical stimulation, visual stimulation, sound, smell, etc.

A man can like many things without being any more 'gay' or 'straight', that depends on who he wants to do them to him. Part of this issue seems to come from a paranoia about the closet gays, and trying to ferret them out. In some ways a necessary paranoia, as many closet cases have proven to be very destructive to the more open community, but it's led to a propensity to try prove that many things are 'signs' of gayness.

Still, a complex issue...

[flabbybody]

the problem with trying to classify chasers is that the same guy can be in category one with a certain girl (totally hetero, not into her dick), and with another girl become a raging cock fiend. different girls different reaction

[tsntx]

the problem with trying to classify chasers is that the same guy can be in category one with a certain girl (totally hetero, not into her dick), and with another girl become a raging cock fiend. different girls different reaction


but its not the girl that makes him a fag, its the desire/ actions that he has in general

[DC]

Sexuality is not Black and White, why are we always trying to define what guys are that like transsexuals. We are straight men who like hot chicks regardless or wether they are GG or TS...............

[tsntx]

Sexuality is not Black and White, why are we always trying to define what guys are that like transsexuals. We are straight men who like hot chicks regardless or wether they are GG or TS...............

just bc you are doesnt mean they all are

i dont think every guy that likes ts is a fag
i dont think every guy that likes cock is a fag
i dont think every guy that likes to bottom is a fag


but a lot of you are lol :twisted:

[DC]

^^^^^^ Jen, your right, some are, but most have nothing in common with the average gay man..

[DL_NL]

If a tree falls in the wood and nobody cares, does it still make a sound?

[tsntx]

If a tree falls in the wood and nobody cares, does it still make a sound?

if by tree you mean "guy" and in the woods means "to his knees" and by nobody cares you mean "blows a tranny"

the answer is yes

and it sounds like richard simmons

[tsntx]

^^^^^^ Jen, your right, some are, but most have nothing in common with the average gay man..

sucking cock and taking it in the pooper are quite common in the gay community, or at least thats what solitary told me


depends on what you define as the "average gay man"

[melissacarter]

Liking anal penetration isn't the definition of being gay, that would be liking having sex with someone of the same sex.

I said "by a cock", I'm not talking about getting fingered in yr butt while you're getting a BJ. I'm talking getting fucked in his ass by a dick, that's feminine, and for a guy thats gay.

[Alyssa87]

i applaud u girls who go into detail explaining yourselves on this board.

i just dont have the patience.

[natina]

A Lifestyle Distinct: The Muxe of Mexico

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/07/weekinreview/07lacey.html?_r=2&scp=1&sq=muxes&st=cse


PHOTO'S AND COMMENTS/STORY

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2008/12/07/weekinreview/1207-MUXE_index.html

[phobun]

^^^^^^ Jen, your right, some are, but most have nothing in common with the average gay man..
except for a taste for cock.

[tsntx]

i applaud u girls who go into detail explaining yourselves on this board.

i just dont have the patience.
i dont even have the patience to read them

i just go off the comments below lol

[phobun]

If a tree falls in the wood and nobody cares, does it still make a sound?
Some guys here probably gasp at the thought of wood.

[Buddy Wood]

Did someone say Wood?

My deeply rooted 2 cents...lots of grays. No black or white. I agree with Melissa's overall assessment and consider myself a guy that appreciates the femininty of a t-girl and am overall "straight" but there's another very simple (somewhat shallow)angle that we tend to forget...

Variety being the spice of life and the love of anal sex

When I was younger I would escape the mundane, same old night after night scene of straight clubs with my friends by hitting up a tranny bar from time to time. I liked the girls as girls but didn't mind their weiners so much. I had a weiner - I liked my weiner...a lot. And really liked putting it in a hot girls ass. Weiner or no weiner attached to that ass. I was open enough with my own sexuality to not give a shit what this made me and met a lot of great girls this way and even dated a few here and there.

Now...as a transsexual pornographer I hang out primarily with t-girls (often very beautiful ones) and at t-girl clubs. So when I want to get this same feeling of something different and out-of-the-norm...I go to a straight club and hit on girls with vajayjays. Weird but true.

I think that's the bottomline with a lot of the non-cockhoundish, "straighter" guys. Not giving a shit about labels and open for something different and new both sexually and just in their lives overall. If they're open enough and truly don't give a shit it could lead to a great thing and a relationship...or just lots of great sex and porn watching.

[Felicia Katt]

Buddy is so right. the important part of the equation isn't the hetero or the homo, its the sexual. I'm one of the (not very beautiful LOL) tgirls that he hangs out with and he is popular and always has fun because he deals with us as ladies, not as labels and he doesn't define or try to defend himself by who and what he enjoys.

FK

[phobun]

I think that's the bottomline with a lot of the non-cockhoundish, "straighter" guys.
Straighter guys do draw a line at bottoming.

[Buddy Wood]

I'm not even saying that Phobun...there just tends to be that precentage of the male crowd that JUST hungers for cock. Crawls out of their straight holes to get some in whatever way they like it...and then crawls back in to that hole. God bless'em. That's just not being very open to the girls or the scene and that's definitely giving a shit about the labels. Bottom all you want and call yourself the straightest man on earth..if what you're attracted to is the female form.

I have a gg friend whose husband likes taking it up the butt from her with a strap-on while they watch gay porn. But she swears he's never been with a guy and has no desire to be with one. I've eaten tranny ass and sucked tranny dick but have never bottomed. Am I more gay or is he?? I've actually been with other dicks but he likes gay porn and things in his butt. Point is..who gives a shit!! It doesn't matter. Lots of grays.

Felicia sums that up nicely (and is one of the beautiful girls I hang out with).

[slinky]

I do believe however, that when a man desires to be fucked that crosses the line. There is undoubtedly something gay about a man wanting to be fucked by a cock, regardless of who it is attached to. That is not a judgment, it is simply an observation.

Bravo!

So what would you call a guy who likes to get pegged by GG's?

[phobun]

I'm not even saying that Phobun...there just tends to be that precentage of the male crowd that JUST hungers for cock.
I'll never understand this when a guy can enjoy a nice warm pussy.
Makes no sense at all to me.

[phobun]

So what would you call a guy who likes to get pegged by GG's?
You would call him Peggee.

[melissacarter]

I do believe however, that when a man desires to be fucked that crosses the line. There is undoubtedly something gay about a man wanting to be fucked by a cock, regardless of who it is attached to. That is not a judgment, it is simply an observation.

Bravo!

So what would you call a guy who likes to get pegged by GG's?

Pegged?

[melissacarter]

I have a gg friend whose husband likes taking it up the butt from her with a strap-on while they watch gay porn. But she swears he's never been with a guy and has no desire to be with one..

Ok let me get this right: he likes his wife's strap on tapping his butt while watching men fuck men. And he's never been with another guy nor wants to.

Yea right AS IF I smell a liar.

[tsntx]

I think that's the bottomline with a lot of the non-cockhoundish, "straighter" guys.
Straighter guys do draw a line at bottoming.

no they dont

claims like this are wat faggots use in their arguements to say how much straighter they are then so and so

u can say bc u dont bottom ure not gay

but im willing to bet the rest of society will call you a fag

be secure in who you are and your choices in life and dont worry bout what others choose or do and nobody will call you gay

live ur life for urself and not for the other men on the board

[hondarobot]

I skimmed this thread, so I might have missed something beyond the normal "Am I gay?!" hysteria.

What I find amusing is that these threads always seems to center around objects inserted into an individuals ass. Seriously. That's the central argument that all these threads boil down to.

Go stick something up your ass, have someone else do it, or not, or watch someone else do it, or freak out about the concept in general. Who cares what anyone does with their ass? Do whatever ya want and shut about it.

Good grief.

[Buddy Wood]

I hear ya. I'm sure he's gay as a parade but my point was...there's lots of grays. That was an extreme version.

[phobun]

my point was...there's lots of grays.
My point is exactly that but without the superfluous "r" in the last word.

[phobun]

I think that's the bottomline with a lot of the non-cockhoundish, "straighter" guys.
Straighter guys do draw a line at bottoming.

no they dont

claims like this are wat faggots use in their arguements to say how much straighter they are then so and so

u can say bc u dont bottom ure not gay

but im willing to bet the rest of society will call you a fag

be secure in who you are and your choices in life and dont worry bout what others choose or do and nobody will call you gay

live ur life for urself and not for the other men on the board
I live my life for myself and the people I care about believe you me.

And I can say that I am not a fag not only because I'm not a bottom but also because I only date women with vaginas.

I am quite the connoisseur of women and to hell with what anyone else thinks.

[tsntx]

so u think ure straighter then the guys who have balls to come out of the closet and date ts?

lol so wrong and so lame on so many levels

[phobun]

so u think ure straighter then the guys who have balls to come out of the closet and date ts?
I don't date TS, I date women.
They may or may not have a history of transsexualism, but definitely they are smart, funny, articulate and opinionated women.
Like I said before, to hell with what anyone else thinks anyway.

[blackat]

I really don't understand the concept of dating a t-girl and ignoring her cock. That's like being with gg and overlooking the pussy. You should enjoy the whole package. Why would anybody have sex without experiencing the whole body. I think it's a shame and a disgrace. Nobody really knows what's gay or straight anymore. Just be your damn self!!!!

[melissacarter]

I really don't understand the concept of dating a t-girl and ignoring her cock. That's like being with gg and overlooking the pussy. You should enjoy the whole package. Why would anybody have sex without experiencing the whole body. I think it's a shame and a disgrace. Nobody really knows what's gay or straight anymore. Just be your damn self!!!!

What is this nonsense "who can say what is gay and what is not?" Gay is a man getting fucked up the ass by another man. That's gay. No new age philospophy can say otherwise.

And for those who are of the mindset, "well, it's attached to her so I must give it love and attention otherwise I'm not loving all of her" that is ridiculous. Why can't a man, as I stated in the opening post, love a TS as a woman without any specific interest in her cock? It doesn't mean he's copping out, it doesn't mean it's less than a total relationship, it simply means he isn't interested in going down on or getting fucked by her. It's not like ignoring a GG's pussy not at all. "A shame and a disgrace", lol get a grip.

[JamesHunt]

what a gay thread :roll:

[scroller]

Taking cock in your ass is the definition of gay if you're a man. Your Bend Over Boyfriend", and probably Tristan Taormino are coming down with a small case of the queers.

You are factually incorrect. If "gay" currently means "homosexual", that literally means "same sex" from the Latin/Greek. You've got to be a man attracted to another man to be gay. Liking anal sex is simply not what that word means.

[melissacarter]

Taking cock in your ass is the definition of gay if you're a man. Your Bend Over Boyfriend", and probably Tristan Taormino are coming down with a small case of the queers.

You are factually incorrect. If "gay" currently means "homosexual", that literally means "same sex" from the Latin/Greek. You've got to be a man attracted to another man to be gay. Liking anal sex is simply not what that word means.

liking cock in your ass is gay holy fuck it is astonishing the level of denial here

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

My take on this (as if you haven't gotten my opinion already on this topic in the past)

Take any guy on here (ANY) and any guy outside of HA who is interested in transgendered women and call them a faggot on th street in public.....I don't care if the fucker is 100 pounds 4'11", he's going to retaliate.

This topic comes up alot but let's face it, a guy can always go back to being a heterosexual (in his community) male. It doesn't matter if he's dated a TS/TV, fucked or been fucked by one, etc. The moment he decides he is no longer interested for whatever reason is the moment topics like this become futile. I'm not trying to sound fucked up but it is what it is. In this day & age you can practically walk up to some chicks and tell them you once fooled around with a tranny.........you'll still get the pussy. Some of you might be saying "yeah right Johnny" and that's fair............. on Halloween Slinky brought a GG to one of Sunny's parties, someone I've known for years, she offered up the pussy......

If this is about understanding men it's going to end up a page 5 thread, you can't understand men, just like most men can't understand women, etc. Everyone is different and trying to group a bunch of individuals into a category based on some prior experiences (relationships, or tricks) is silly.

When a guy decides he's done fooling around he goes back to living that "hetero" lifestyle and unless someone foolishly tries to ATTEMPT to ruin his life by outing him he's usually successful with that......

[Felicia Katt]

Homo=same
Hetero=diffferent

if you have a penis, and so does your partner, you can't change that your actions can't be considered entirely heterosexual by how otherwise feminine one partner may be or how little or what kind of attention that one partner's penis may get. You also can't somehow achieve hetero or escape homo by drawing comparisons to others who are more open in their attractions or actions or both. In the big picture, to the rest of society, being a little less straight is just as bad as being a lot gay

FK

[the_corner]

Well... for the ladies....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ93JG4xiwQ

Is he gay?

[SarahG]

Without ranting too much...

I think there needs to be a 3rd gender - I have always said it

What about FtM's?

[Odelay]

Kinsey created his 0 to 6 scale in 1948. In the last 60 years I have seen no one, including anyone on this board, come up with a better explanation and categorization of sexuality. So if you want to label all guys who bottom for transsexuals a 3, and those who only top a 2, then I don't see a problem and I'll bet most tops and bottoms wouldn't object to such ratings, either.


Males do not represent two discrete populations, heterosexual and homosexual. The world is not to be divided into sheep and goats. It is a fundamental of taxonomy that nature rarely deals with discrete categories... The living world is a continuum in each and every one of its aspects.

While emphasising the continuity of the gradations between exclusively heterosexual and exclusively homosexual histories, it has seemed desirable to develop some sort of classification which could be based on the relative amounts of heterosexual and homosexual experience or response in each history... An individual may be assigned a position on this scale, for each period in his life.... A seven-point scale comes nearer to showing the many gradations that actually exist." (Kinsey, et al. (1948). pp. 639, 656)

The scale is as follows:
Rating Description
0 Exclusively heterosexual
1 Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual
2 Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual
3 Equally heterosexual and homosexual; bisexual.
4 Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual
5 Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual
6 Exclusively homosexual

[Ts CinthyaNY]

I really don't understand the concept of dating a t-girl and ignoring her cock. That's like being with gg and overlooking the pussy. You should enjoy the whole package. Why would anybody have sex without experiencing the whole body. I think it's a shame and a disgrace. Nobody really knows what's gay or straight anymore. Just be your damn self!!!!

Bravo !! some sense on that. What's the point on experiencing your sexuality at full without exploring your sexual partner full genitalia? and , find what you like and may dislike?

If a Straight guy want a TS it's because he see us as a woman, never heard a guy considering himself gay because he like me or he want to fuck me... or if I penetrate him, I am a woman even with my genital hanging there. So I do not think a man it's gay because he is being taken by a TS unless he likes to be with guys an actually could fall for another man.

It's all about how comfortable you are with your sexuality and confidant of your gender identity.

Labels are just that, it bother us but yet we still using them ...

[SydStrappingLad]

Without adding fuel to the fire, but, the name of the site is: "hung" angels.

If you have a problem with men liking TS women who are pre-op, and don't have a problem incorprating their cocks in play / sex. Then perhaps this site isn't for you.

It is a waste of time arguing this -- and I do think it is stupid and childish for many reasons -- as it only serves to attack / antagonise the male admirers here.

[Justawannabe]

'And for those who are of the mindset, "well, it's attached to her so I must give it love and attention otherwise I'm not loving all of her" that is ridiculous. Why can't a man, as I stated in the opening post, love a TS as a woman without any specific interest in her cock? It doesn't mean he's copping out, it doesn't mean it's less than a total relationship, it simply means he isn't interested in going down on or getting fucked by her. It's not like ignoring a GG's pussy not at all. "A shame and a disgrace", lol get a grip.'


Melissa

That entirely depends on whether the girl wants you to pay attention. If she doesn't then your right. But if she does and you refuse because that would make you gay... then it is a problem. You seem to come at this from the perspective that the man is forcing attention on the girl, which may not be the case in any way.

Responding to the 'by a cock' part from a few pages back... still ain't buying it. If he likes mutual pleasure as opposed to the 'you get me off and then we'll switch' type sex, having someone do it with parts attached that do the job of getting someone off can be a good thing as opposed to someone just using a tool. Unless your saying only feminine and gays like to be both pleasured and pleasing at the same time?

Just seems there is a hang up on male behavior. We're not sitting here discussing whether the girls are gay males if they like to top, or even if they top for because asked and happened to enjoy it. /sarcasm on I mean the definition of gay is wanting to put a cock in a man's behind right? /sarcasm off

Seems to me girls are out there striving for the freedom to define themselves, but are all too happy to do their utmost to define men.

Sean

[ballzNnutz]

initial post is right on the money imo.

[ballzNnutz]

Taking cock in your ass is the definition of gay if you're a man. Your Bend Over Boyfriend", and probably Tristan Taormino are coming down with a small case of the queers.

You are factually incorrect. If "gay" currently means "homosexual", that literally means "same sex" from the Latin/Greek. You've got to be a man attracted to another man to be gay. Liking anal sex is simply not what that word means.

:roll:

[DC]

At the end of the day who gives a fuck, live your life and be happy, life is too short to get caught up in this bullshit of labeling each other. Fuck labels, be yourself.......

[jcinva]

holy fuck it is astonishing the level of denial here

Really?
I mean, "Really?"

Do you really want to "go there?"

I mean, I tend to agree with many of your points in this thread, but

Breaking out the D-word? On this board? Of all places?

Really?

REALLY??

[melissacarter]

holy fuck it is astonishing the level of denial here

Really?
I mean, "Really?"

Do you really want to "go there?"

I mean, I tend to agree with many of your points in this thread, but

Breaking out the D-word? On this board? Of all places?

Really?

REALLY??

say it again and I'll use the A-word

[jcinva]

My point is -- you know, once you break out "that" word, it seems to me you risk crossing a line that a lot of folks might prefer not be crossed, that a lot of folks have spent a whole lot of time building up a whole identity based largely upon not crossing that particular line.

There's an entire subculture resting squarely on that D-word. It'd be a shame to start shaking things apart by its injudicious application, no?
Glass houses and all that.

[DL_NL]

be secure in who you are and your choices in life and dont worry bout what others choose or do and nobody will call you gay
Hallelujah.

Lots of rather cramped discussions about homosexuality here. Is that the mediaeval sexual morale in the US?

[melissacarter]

be secure in who you are and your choices in life and dont worry bout what others choose or do and nobody will call you gay
Hallelujah.

Lots of rather cramped discussions about homosexuality here. Is that the mediaeval sexual morale in the US?

Uh, no its that big elephant in the room thats not there

[needsum]

At the risk of dragging this out even further, I thought I'd add my two cents. as a precursor--I don't care if you're gay, bi, straight, whatever. This is an opinion and in no way intended to reflect a judgement on anyone.

Basically, being gay means being a homosexual. And that means performing sexual acts with a member of your same gender. Simple.

Where it gets complicated is when an incredibly hot woman happens to have a dick and you go bobbing for it.

However, here are a few things to consider:
If you play with your own ass, use vibrators/dildos, etc, it doesn't make you gay. If you let a woman use a strap-on and fuck your ass, it doesn't make you gay. It is a measure of your own self-desires, and the acceptance that anal play does indeed feel good. Being ass fucked by a guy, because you accept that assplay feels good? thats fucking gay.

Do I think being fucked in the ass by a Transsexual woman is a gay act? yes and no.

Yes, if the person looks like a guy in a wig, with a 5 o'clock shadow, and you're trying to justify it because he calls himself Sheila and wears a dress when he fucks you.


No, if the woman looks, acts, smells, is a woman. if you are engaging in a sexual act with a woman who has a cock, then to me, there is no difference between that and being fucked by a woman with a strap-on.
addendum: guys do need to really check themselves on this one though--if they are just going with the flow and being penetrated within the confines of an overall sexual adventure with this woman, then consider them not fags.

However, if they are hounding for it, I think they need to reassess themselves and try to find out if it goes beyond just being "fun assplay" and entering into the "i need to get ass fucked everytime I have sex" realm. Then we may just be looking at a closeted gay man at that point, just using the TS woman as a shield against his own fears of being truly gay.

But again, whatever the case, its cool with me. No judgement here. As long as the fellas keep those cocks far away from my ass, I'm ok with whatever else you do . . . lol

[AmyDaly]

I think it depends. I mainly agree with needsum, but I also think you should add that it depends on how the "admirer" sees the transsexual woman.

If he sees her as male, then I would say yes, he is gay. I am not saying that them having sex is really actually gay, but if hes attracted to her because he sees her as a feminine guy. Then I don't know how you could not say he is gay.

[melissacarter]

I think it depends. I mainly agree with needsum, but I also think you should add that it depends on how the "admirer" sees the transsexual woman.

If he sees her as male, then I would say yes, he is gay. I am not saying that them having sex is really actually gay, but if hes attracted to her because he sees her as a feminine guy. Then I don't know how you could not say he is gay.

This is the essence of the original post. This was never a "Are you gay?" thread. Of course here on HA all roads lead to Fag Rome.

Amy gets the message, it is how TS perceive guys. I have seen a spectrum of different men, and again I'll repeat my earlier message:


From the TS standpoint, and I'm sure all TS can agree on this, we have a vantage point you guys can never have. That is, we are the recipient of your attention and can see differences in each man's desires.

DO NOT MISREAD THIS THREAD! It is not an attack on your sexuality.

[jcinva]

This was never a "Are you gay?" thread.
....
DO NOT MISREAD THIS THREAD! It is not an attack on your sexuality.

Actually, when the topic of the thread is ... admirers gay or straight, that seems to me to be pretty close to the heart of the topic, if not spot on.

What has had me a bit nonplussed in this and a couple of related threads is the gaping cognitive chasm of transsexuals and admirers drawing arbitrary lines on which form of sexual contact between the two constitutes "bona fide" gayness. When do you cross the line from het, to latent homo, or latent to practicing, or practicing to flaming? anal, but ignoring the penis; oral, but not getting topped, topping, rimming, anal with reach around, teabagging, digital, pegging, or the Mississippi Shuffle?

If we're really so concerned about where to draw that line on the "admirers," ... I mean if you absolutely, positively got to make that call, let's just go back to the "elephant" as you put it and swallow that pill: this ain't no Margery Williams story, and no matter how bad you want it, you matter how deeply you know it in your heart of hearts, now matter how many people will stand up for it, sue for it, legislate for it, or issue special ID cards to validate and confirm it, no matter how many pills popped, shots taken, surgeries submitted to, no matter what's shorn off or tacked on - Ultimately, whether you convince the Supreme Court, your state legislature, the European Court of Human Rights or even yourself, that velveteen rabbit is a velveteen rabbit and not a real bunny.

So, if you absolutely gots to draw that line and slap a label on the "admirers," let's just round up ALL the suspects and admit that 99.9% been indulging, or thinking about indulging, in a bit of the ol' gay sex because, at the end of the day, if you force the hand to draw a line, we've all banged, thought or fantasized about banging, a velveteen rabbit.

Now - having crossed that bridge, you might open a discussion on whether doing it once makes you gay, confirms you were always gay, makes you eligible to be bi, or whether you can just do it until you need glasses before you have to turn in your official hetero card and decoder ring.

Or we can just go back to dancing on the surface of that denial-rich soap bubble and continue to pretend you are and, therefore, we aren't.

Isn't it much nicer and more civil that way?

[T Oracle]

I think there needs to be a 3rd gender - I have always said it

3rd gender has existed throughout history - hijras, fafafine, muxes, two spirit.

[phobun]

Where it gets complicated is when an incredibly hot woman happens to have a dick and you go bobbing for it....

Do I think being fucked in the ass by a Transsexual woman is a gay act? yes and no.

Yes, if the person looks like a guy in a wig, with a 5 o'clock shadow, and you're trying to justify it because he calls himself Sheila and wears a dress when he fucks you.

No, if the woman looks, acts, smells, is a woman. if you are engaging in a sexual act with a woman who has a cock, then to me, there is no difference between that and being fucked by a woman with a strap-on.

[phobun]

Of course here on HA all roads lead to Fag Rome.
Hilarious.

[effigyc]

There's been a lot said already about the broad spectrum that is human sexuality, so I'm not going to go there anymore.

What I do want to say is this: Like it or not girls, you have a cock. And if you want to have sex (either inside or outside of a relationship), you'd better be happy that there are men out there that like you that way.

[DL_NL]

...and pissing them off by calling them names might not be the best way to do that.

Though some of the guys here seem to give as good as they get. :?

[fitz207]

There's been a lot said already about the broad spectrum that is human sexuality, so I'm not going to go there anymore.

What I do want to say is this: Like it or not girls, you have a cock. And if you want to have sex (either inside or outside of a relationship), you'd better be happy that there are men out there that like you that way.
Thank you! If were to have SRS, how many clients do you think would still see them? Not many, that for sure.

[tsntx]

There's been a lot said already about the broad spectrum that is human sexuality, so I'm not going to go there anymore.

What I do want to say is this: Like it or not girls, you have a cock. And if you want to have sex (either inside or outside of a relationship), you'd better be happy that there are men out there that like you that way.
Thank you! If were to have SRS, how many clients do you think would still see them? Not many, that for sure.

to the 1rst idiot: you sound like the typical asshole that knows hes way outta my league but yet feels that bc im a "freak" that i should just be grateful his loser ass is into me... yeah bc even if that faggot was the LAST man on earth.... i would still be happier turning his punk ass down then being desperate enough to fall for that BS line

to the 2nd fag that just started getting all uppity lately: most girls get srs to STOP faggots like you and the "clients" you speak of TO LEAVE THEM ALONE!!!! not all girls are escorts so where does your faggy lil therory have to say about that? "she has a vagina what kinda crazy man would want that?!?!"

A STRAIGHT ONE WOULD FAG

and thats how come im calling YOU a fag... bc of that shortsighted idotic fagmatic thought that if a transexual woman got a vag she would un-wanted and alone.... hillarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

keep up the good faggotry! youre doing great kiddo!

[fitz207]

to the 2nd fag that just started getting all uppity lately: most girls get srs to STOP faggots like you and the "clients" you speak of TO LEAVE THEM ALONE!!!! not all girls are escorts so where does your faggy lil therory have to say about that? "she has a vagina what kinda crazy man would want that?!?!"

A STRAIGHT ONE WOULD FAG

and thats how come im calling YOU a fag... bc of that shortsighted idotic fagmatic thought that if a transexual woman got a vag she would un-wanted and alone.... hillarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

keep up the good faggotry! youre doing great kiddo!
Read what i wrote clearly. I'm not talking about a post-op's personal life. I'm talking the ESCORT BUSINESS! Of course a TS who's had SRS can find love in her personal life. But you don't fall in love with your clients do you? So from a business standpoint, having a cock is a good thing, and having clients who have no problem with that is a good thing. Unless you're saying most of your clients are top only guys, which i doubt that's the case with most TS that i have talked to.

[phobun]

There's been a lot said already about the broad spectrum that is human sexuality, so I'm not going to go there anymore.

What I do want to say is this: Like it or not girls, you have a cock. And if you want to have sex (either inside or outside of a relationship), you'd better be happy that there are men out there that like you that way.
Only a cock-craver could sound so craven. But not everyone is interested in cock. Some guys like coochie, including coochie made in Thailand.

Do you think girls are obligated to pander to a beefy femme squealing in delight at the thought of someone shooting a milky load in his ass? Get real.

And please put on a shirt and show some respect for the ladies here. This isn't a gay meatmarket and you aren't cut... you look like a junior bubba who's been using his daddy's old weight bench.

[phobun]

Read what i wrote clearly. I'm not talking about a post-op's personal life. I'm talking the ESCORT BUSINESS! Of course a TS who's had SRS can find love in her personal life. But you don't fall in love with your clients do you? So from a business standpoint, having a cock is a good thing, and having clients who have no problem with that is a good thing. Unless you're saying most of your clients are top only guys, which i doubt that's the case with most TS that i have talked to.
Not everyone's career goals stay static. As a person's life circumstances change, a girl may actually want to move onto better things in a different line of work. There is more to life than calculating the business opportunities for indulging the bottom-most fantasies of passive men.

[fitz207]

There's been a lot said already about the broad spectrum that is human sexuality, so I'm not going to go there anymore.

What I do want to say is this: Like it or not girls, you have a cock. And if you want to have sex (either inside or outside of a relationship), you'd better be happy that there are men out there that like you that way.
Only a cock-craver could sound so craven. But not everyone is interested in cock. Some guys like coochie, including coochie made in Thailand.

Do you think girls are obligated to pander to a beefy femme squealing in delight at the thought of someone shooting a milky load in his ass? Get real.

And please put on a shirt and show some respect for the ladies here. You aren't cut... you look like a junior bubba who's been using his daddy's old weight bench.
If the guy likes to bottom why do feel the need to bash him? I'm sorry but some of you guys who kiss the asses of these " TS Diva types" no matter how bad they treat you are lame. Why should any guy on this board respect Jennifer who constantly calls anyone who doesn't agree with her narrow-minded outlook on others a FAG? If you like being treated like shit, that's fine. But don't assume it's something wrong with people who won't put up with it.

[phobun]

There's been a lot said already about the broad spectrum that is human sexuality, so I'm not going to go there anymore.

What I do want to say is this: Like it or not girls, you have a cock. And if you want to have sex (either inside or outside of a relationship), you'd better be happy that there are men out there that like you that way.
Only a cock-craver could sound so craven. But not everyone is interested in cock. Some guys like coochie, including coochie made in Thailand.

Do you think girls are obligated to pander to a beefy femme squealing in delight at the thought of someone shooting a milky load in his ass? Get real.

And please put on a shirt and show some respect for the ladies here. You aren't cut... you look like a junior bubba who's been using his daddy's old weight bench.
If the guy likes to bottom why do feel the need to bash him? I'm sorry but some of you guys who kiss the asses of these " TS Diva types" no matter how bad they treat you are lame. Why should any guy on this board respect Jennifer who constantly calls anyone who doesn't agree with her narrow-minded outlook on others a FAG? If you like being treated like shit, that's fine. But don't assume it's something wrong with people who won't put up with it.
You're voluntarily coming onto a forum where people may say things you don't like. If she gets your panties in a bunch, find a different forum, or just be a big boy and ignore her taunts. If you don't want to be perceived as a prissy, thin-skinned prima donna, don't whine.

[fitz207]

There's been a lot said already about the broad spectrum that is human sexuality, so I'm not going to go there anymore.

What I do want to say is this: Like it or not girls, you have a cock. And if you want to have sex (either inside or outside of a relationship), you'd better be happy that there are men out there that like you that way.
Only a cock-craver could sound so craven. But not everyone is interested in cock. Some guys like coochie, including coochie made in Thailand.

Do you think girls are obligated to pander to a beefy femme squealing in delight at the thought of someone shooting a milky load in his ass? Get real.

And please put on a shirt and show some respect for the ladies here. You aren't cut... you look like a junior bubba who's been using his daddy's old weight bench.
If the guy likes to bottom why do feel the need to bash him? I'm sorry but some of you guys who kiss the asses of these " TS Diva types" no matter how bad they treat you are lame. Why should any guy on this board respect Jennifer who constantly calls anyone who doesn't agree with her narrow-minded outlook on others a FAG? If you like being treated like shit, that's fine. But don't assume it's something wrong with people who won't put up with it.
You're voluntarily coming onto a forum where people may say things you don't like. If she gets your panties in a bunch, find a different forum, or just be a big boy and ignore her taunts. If you don't want to be perceived as a prissy, thin-skinned prima donna, don't whine.
Nope, I'm not leaving the forum. Since you're not into trannies, at least trannies who still have their cocks attached. I think you're the 1 in the wrong forum. How many people post about post-ops? Personally i think you're insecure yourself, so you come up with "I'm not gay because i only like Post-ops and GG". BTW this forum was not always like this. Most people talked about their favorite TS, TS movies and websites. The drama came from people like Jennifer and others who hijacked threads. Why the heck are you guys so afraid to say anything to her. You're online she can't hurt you. :lol:

[phobun]

Nope, I'm not leaving the forum. Since you're not into trannies, at least trannies who still have their cocks attached. I think you're the 1 in the wrong forum. How many people post about post-ops? Personally i think you're insecure yourself, so you come up with "I'm not gay because i only like Post-ops and GG". BTW this forum was not always like this. Most people talked about their favorite TS, TS movies and websites. The drama came from people like Jennifer and others who hijacked threads. Why the heck are you guys so afraid to say anything to her. You're online she can't hurt you. :lol:
You don't have to leave, just be a big boy and ignore a girl's gibes.

[effigyc]

to the 1rst idiot: you sound like the typical asshole that knows hes way outta my league but yet feels that bc im a "freak" that i should just be grateful his loser ass is into me... yeah bc even if that faggot was the LAST man on earth.... i would still be happier turning his punk ass down then being desperate enough to fall for that BS line


No, I don't think you're a "freak". I'm just saying that by calling all men who like ts (and the cocks they come with) "fags" you're being just as narrow minded and cruel as the majority of the population who consider you to be gay.

If you're woman inside, great. The fact still remains that until you get that SRS, you have a dick. If you want to call everyone that likes that about you a fa and turn them down, so be it.

[tsntx]

to the 1rst idiot: you sound like the typical asshole that knows hes way outta my league but yet feels that bc im a "freak" that i should just be grateful his loser ass is into me... yeah bc even if that faggot was the LAST man on earth.... i would still be happier turning his punk ass down then being desperate enough to fall for that BS line


No, I don't think you're a "freak". I'm just saying that by calling all men who like ts (and the cocks they come with) "fags" you're being just as narrow minded and cruel as the majority of the population who consider you to be gay.

If you're woman inside, great. The fact still remains that until you get that SRS, you have a dick. If you want to call everyone that likes that about you a fa and turn them down, so be it.

you and ur idiot friend "fitz" need to read my "get to know me thread"
bc ive made it CLEAR i dont feel the way you 2 keep claiming i do

getting a vag doesnt make me anymore woman than i already am

[DC]

I call people fags all the time too, its just joking around though.. Im sure Jennifer is also joking when she says it, learn to take a joke fags...

[effigyc]

you and ur idiot friend "fitz" need to read my "get to know me thread"
bc ive made it CLEAR i dont feel the way you 2 keep claiming i do

getting a vag doesnt make me anymore woman than i already am

The only way I've claimed that you feel, is that you feel that if a man is interested in your penis he's a fag.

Just as you would like men to be open minded and consider who you are instead of instantly labeling you because of your genitalia, you should be open minded and not instantly label admirers as fags simply because they like your dick.

[wagononwheel]

There are admirers who are not actually interested in the dick..

[JamesHunt]

There are admirers who are not actually interested in the dick..

how many times have I heard this b4. Go get a GG then, your strike rate will statistically be better :roll:

[wagononwheel]

There are admirers who are not actually interested in the dick..

how many times have I heard this b4. Go get a GG then, your strike rate will statistically be better :roll:

you must be ugly

[wagononwheel]

I think I am attracted to people that care about the way they look and want to portray themselves to be as attractive as they possibly can. In most cases the more feminine girls on this board probably fit that description.

[tsntx]

I think I am attracted to people that care about the way they look and want to portray themselves to be as attractive as they possibly can. In most cases the more feminine girls on this board probably fit that description.


james made a valid point - which is VERY rare imho

u dont want to go to a gay bar where you could easily meet trannies not in porn, like u said u didnt want, but u dont want to go bc ure not gay

also u say you dont care about the cock

like he said... go get a gg or start posting your face/body/cock pics
bc ure going to need to be the hottest guy EVER... and im betting youre not and thats why youre not having luck.... ill be happy to be proven wrong

[wagononwheel]

if you wanted to express interest in me and see what I look like you could have done it in a much less passive-aggressive way

[tsntx]

if you wanted to express interest in me and see what I look like you could have done it in a much less passive-aggressive way

newsflash kiddo:


hold im still laughing



ok seriously... you came here looking for girls like me... were not here looking for you... thus you need to prove yourself to get our attn... not the other way around

tho u could keep on doing it the way youre doing... i mean, afterall, its been so successful for you thus far right?

[wagononwheel]

if you wanted to express interest in me and see what I look like you could have done it in a much less passive-aggressive way

newsflash kiddo:


hold im still laughing



ok seriously... you came here looking for girls like me... were not here looking for you... thus you need to prove yourself to get our attn... not the other way around

tho u could keep on doing it the way youre doing... i mean, afterall, its been so successful for you thus far right?

so FEISTY, i <3 you already

[wagononwheel]

pic posted, do your worst

[Felicia Katt]

pic posted, do your worst
you are a little pale LOL

meow

FK

[tsntx]

pic posted, do your worst
you are a little pale LOL

meow

FK


yeah white as a ghost and remind me of the invisible woman

[wagononwheel]

OMG I GOT SO SCARED YOU ALL WOULD JUDGE ME

[tsntx]

you told us to ?

[wagononwheel]

valid point

[tsntx]

post it or send it

[wagononwheel]

how long does it take to learn photoshop?

[tsntx]

how long does it take to learn photoshop?

you should ask one of the many girls here that use it

[wagononwheel]

how long does it take to learn photoshop?

you should ask one of the many girls here that use it

It doesnt seem like most of them grasp how to use it either

[tsntx]

how long does it take to learn photoshop?

you should ask one of the many girls here that use it

It doesnt seem like most of them grasp how to use it either

lmao so true!

[natina]

Adobe Photoshop CS4 Classroom in a Book

http://www.adobepress.com/bookstore/product.asp?isbn=032157379X


how long does it take to learn photoshop?


Adobe Photoshop CS4 Classroom in a Book

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Digital Makeup With Photoshop I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v-fIr48z7Q

Photoshop Tutorial: Face shaping.

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Qwik Photoshop Tutorial: Fake Studio Airbrushing


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[phobun]

I always felt there were two types of admirers. And this has been further confirmed by my experiences in business.

There are some men, and I would say they are in a slight minority, that are truly heterosexual men (as I see them), that is they look for and appreciate a transsexual woman as a woman first, her anatomy is secondary. They show great appreciation for the feminizing efforts we make and these are the men who often make comments that "TS are more feminine than natural born women." They pay little to no attention to our dicks, and often are beyond the lingo of "tops" and "bottoms". These guys are the best of the bunch, in my opinion, they look for a true relationship with a transsexual woman. They are not into discreet motel hookups and have no problem in public. These men approach the entire relationship and view of a transwoman in a hetero context, that is the TS is just another woman (there is no significant distinction), and it is for this reason I describe them as hetero.

The other type of admirer, understand there are some who fall in between, is focused on shemale dick. They are often men with full lives, often married, and in general are looking for sex more than love. As an escort I can confirm this as about 75% of my clients are married. They seek an experience lacking in their home life. They experience excitement exploring a passable, alluring woman with a lively cock. I do emphasize lively- many of these guys will directly ask on the phone, "are you functional?" some even go too far and wanna know how much I cum bla bla bla those dudes I hang up on. For these men, the focal point is cock, although it is still the entire package. In other words, it is not a purely gay fixation or else he would be with another man not a transsexual (for those types any adult bookstore will do they can get cock for free). It is this second type of admirer I view as much closer to gay because of their cock-oriented interest. It's also worth noting that from my perspective, I personally don't view the experience as gay. He doesnt make me feel any less a woman instead I view him as a straight male with homosexual curiosity.

I would not classify these two types as gay. I would say the cock-fixated admirer does focus greatly on anatomy and in some cases there could be confusion/denial with homosexual desires. Still, his desire to be with a woman makes his interest different from a man-on-man fantasy. I do believe however, that when a man desires to be fucked that crosses the line. There is undoubtedly something gay about a man wanting to be fucked by a cock, regardless of who it is attached to. That is not a judgment, it is simply an observation.

The whole notion of transsexualism is rooted in some degree of bisexuality, simply by definition. That is not to deny the heterosexual admirer his "straight" label. It's kind of like he's saying, "OK, she has a dick, so what? It doesn't mean I need to mess with it." If the trans woman behaves/acts/looks like a natural woman that places their relationship squarely in the straight zone. I say transsexuals are rooted in bisexuality merely as a description of our starting point. It is what direction we go that defines identity and sexual orientation. If a TS identifies as a woman, she will make efforts to present as such and eventually her original gender is meaningless and her genitalia is incidental.

These are my gross generalizations. The shredding will now begin.
Interesting thoughts. Bumped.