A funny thing happened on the way to the party...

[luv2playwithTgirls]

actually, it was at and after the party...

OK, so this post addresses a couple of things that I've seen talked about in other forums, but I feel like throwing them out at the same time since they happened on the same night.

First off, I've gone to several parties over the last few years, and invariably there are a selection of girls at all of them who are looking to get paid. Personally, I don't go to these parties to get laid, just to hang out and have a good time and get a bit annoyed when girls grab me and shove their hands down my pants. Needless to say, I've become a bit wary when girls are a bit aggressive and physical with me and it's become my custom to ask whether or not they are working. This leads me to the other night when I was hanging out at a party when this absolutely gorgeous girl starts talking to me. We start dancing and she's very physical on the dance floor, grabbing my ass and flashing her (great)tits, so I start wondering to myself if I'm just a mark. We get off the dance floor and sit down and I ask her if she's working. After grilling me about what exactly that meant (which confused me to have to explain that there were plenty on prostitutes in the house), she gets all pissed off and starts accusing me of WANTING to pay for sex and if that's what I want, I should go do that.

Now, maybe there was a language barrier, maybe I phrased the question wrong, perhaps too straight-forward about it, but should a girl get that pissed off about what seems to me a perfectly honest and necessary question? I've talked to plenty of girls who just come out and tell me that they're not working because they understand the reality of what's going on at these clubs, so why would it be deemed inappropriate for me to ask? Just wondering...

Second: O.K. I've been reading all of these posts about whether you gay or not if you're into TG's, or like to suck TG cock vs. guy's cocks, or bottom, etc. etc. ad nauseum. I personally don't get involved with these kinds of speculations 'cause everyone has their own take on sexuality. As far as I'm concerned, what ever makes you happy to do and call yourself, power to you and I'm not judging you so don't judge me. Personally, I'm a very sexual person who enjoys sex for all of it's wild variety. I tend to be most physically attracted to women and fem t-girls, but, frankly, love to bottom for guys with big cocks. I don't get into gay porn (so much), nor spend all my time in gay bars, and I don't get into topping guys or rimming, kissing, cuddling, etc. with guys, cause to me I'm not actually attracted to guys in that way. I pretty much live a 'straight' lifestyle, but when I feel like bottoming, I definitely go for it and enjoy that part of my sexuality. If' that makes me 'gay', so be it, but life is so much more nuanced than that. Alternatively, when I'm with a t-girl, I love to have really hot passionate sex where we both explore everything about each others bodies. I just find tg's to be so much more physically attractive that it opens up a whole realm of sensual possibilities and I revel in that (and hopefully the girls enjoy themselves too!)

Anyways, enough of that and back to the point: So I go home with this girl the other night, really cute little blond with a great rack who's visiting friends in town. We get to the apartment, and it looks like it belongs to a couple of gay guys who had brought some friends over. We pull out the futon in the living room and start getting down to business. She tops me and is really loving the fact that I enjoy bottoming for her, when this guy comes out of one of the bedrooms with a big semi-hard cock. We both look at him, and I make some comment about the size of his cock. To make a long story short, we wind up with him in the bed with us and, after her and I sucking him together, she puts a condom on him and tells me to sit on it. Who am I to argue? We fuck like this for a while, the guy fucking me and me sucking the girls cock, until we all cum, and the girl and I leave the guy to go have a smoke.

We sit down, and she looks at me, and says "You're such a fag. I don't know if I want to fuck around anymore." I was blown away. I felt like I was in the middle of a HA forum! So apparently, I'm a hot guy when I'm getting fucked by her, but the minute it's a guy's cock, I'm a fag, despite the fact that she was fucking my face and blew her load while it was all happening. Now, we talked for a while, and she finally stopped pursuing this line of logic, especially after I made her know that she was the only reason I was there, that the guy was (and I think that I actually used this line!) nothing more that chocolate spinkles on a sundae. But it was still confounding to actually come face to face with this idea that I'd just recently been reading about on this forum....

Any thoughts on either topic?

[ottorocket]

she was jealous that you got pleasure and attention from him as much as from her...maybe more?

[luv2playwithTgirls]

she was jealous that you got pleasure and attention from him as much as from her...maybe more?

Yeah, she did indicate that that was part of it. It took quite a bit of convincing that that wasn't the case. She was the sole reason I was there, and giving her a pleasurable experience was my priority. Fortunately I give a good massage...

[Ryz]

This made me lol

[Sunny Dee-lite]

OMG!

[dc_guy_75]

Dude, if you're with a cute tgirl, why bring a guy into the mix... wtf?

Just enjoy it with the girl...

[luv2playwithTgirls]

Dude, if you're with a cute tgirl, why bring a guy into the mix... wtf?

Just enjoy it with the girl...

While I agree with you in principle, dc, sometimes you gotta go with the flow. Hell, SHE asked ME if I wanted to bring him on board, not the other way around, so I figured she was into it as well! And she seemed to be, until it was over and she thought about it for a minute...

[luv2playwithTgirls]

OMG!

Hey Sunny, I hope thats an 'OMG' what a crazy night, not an 'OMG' what a total douchebag! LOL!

[scroller]

If true, I think you're my new hero.

[DL_NL]

I would've thought that, being people who push the envelope of conventional sexual margins, t-girls would be a little less judgmental of others in this respect than the average Joe or Jane.

Apparently, they're only human... :)

[luv2playwithTgirls]

If true, I think you're my new hero.

Alright, I didn't put this out there to just tell the story (I could have gotten a lot more graphic if that was my point), I felt that the story illustrated the question: what's with that reaction? I just want to hear some POV's about it, especially from some of the girls....

[Coroner]

I just wanted to read Lovecraft but....

[luv2playwithTgirls]

I just wanted to read Lovecraft but....

ROFL, Coroner! Cthulhu's a bit of a buzz-kill, tho...

[ARMANIXXX]

You're gay.

But....

More power to you.

[slinky]

I'm pretty sure I've posted this before, but it's funny, so...... (from another forum, another poster)

"I was in a room at the old Paradise club with a little J-Lo looking thing. The conversation drifted to what is the wildest thing you've done sexually. After a bit of prodding, she told me that she had been engaged to great guy who she really loved. But, she always fantasized and fucking him in the ass.

He refused, but slowly, she began to get him to agree to have things out in his ass. A finger, anal beads, fingers and anal beads and so on. Then as they were planning the wedding she gets him to pick out a strap on. The idea was that maybe they'd do a threesome, but she told me she lied, she only intended to use it on him. During the story, which took her about 20 minutes to tell, there was way to much detail, she kept saying how great and understanding he was and how much she loved him.

Eventually, about 2 months before the wedding, he gave in. Her eyes lit up as she said, in what sounded way too much like Rosie Perez, "I fucked the shit outta him."

I asked if he liked it and she said that he absolutely hated it.

I figure, wow, that's some story, but what happened to the engagement? She said, I dumped him about a week later.

Then entirely seriously, she looked at me, "What sorta bitch ass man lets hisself get fucked in the ass?"

[slinky]

Now, maybe there was a language barrier, maybe I phrased the question wrong, perhaps too straight-forward about it, but should a girl get that pissed off about what seems to me a perfectly honest and necessary question? I've talked to plenty of girls who just come out and tell me that they're not working because they understand the reality of what's going on at these clubs, so why would it be deemed inappropriate for me to ask? Just wondering...


You probably asked it in such a way that she figured out you weren't going to pay and then got pissed off at the time she "wasted" on you.

[scroller]

Slinky, thanks for the story re-post... that's exactly what came to mind for me.

[slinky]

We sit down, and she looks at me, and says "You're such a fag. I don't know if I want to fuck around anymore." I was blown away. I felt like I was in the middle of a HA forum! So apparently, I'm a hot guy when I'm getting fucked by her, but the minute it's a guy's cock, I'm a fag, despite the fact that she was fucking my face and blew her load while it was all happening. Now, we talked for a while, and she finally stopped pursuing this line of logic, especially after I made her know that she was the only reason I was there, that the guy was (and I think that I actually used this line!) nothing more that chocolate spinkles on a sundae. But it was still confounding to actually come face to face with this idea that I'd just recently been reading about on this forum....

Any thoughts on either topic?

One thing that's obvious from reading the forum is that a lot of guys are confused about their sexuality, but for some reason the assumption is that none of the girls are (and i think this is in part promulgated by the assertions of the girls). But in reality, there's gender/body/orientation/whatever confusion of all sorts on most people's parts:

A) A girl takes a guy home and fucks him and thinks she's found a husband, but dumps him the next day when she finds out he's gay.

B) Post-op girls who still only go to TS oriented clubs and only have TS friends.

C) Guys who claim they don't want anything to do with cock, but are chasers.

D) Girls losing 3/4 of their clients after SRS, even if they are bottom only.

I could go on, but you get the idea.



But I will say that I think if you asked the VAST majority of the guys in here what they would have done in the situation, they would have freaked at the thought of the gay guy joining in. Then again, the vast majority of the guys here haven't ever actually been with a TS, either.

[slinky]

she gets all pissed off and starts accusing me of WANTING to pay for sex and if that's what I want, I should go do that.


Verbatim line from a GG working girl: "I can't fuck you for free anymore! You're married!""

[sucka4chix]

First: YOU'RE GAY! Not saying that's bad, but whether you live a "straight lifestyle" or not, you're gay! Maybe you should accept that. You can't compare yourself to the guys who are attracted to t-girls and suck t-girl cock but are not attracted to guys at all, but get labeled as gay. That's debatable... You're gay!

Second: There's a catch 22 that's involved; Sure a girl will fuck you and then lose respect for you!!! Just like a girl can "love" having you as a client, but she'll never date you! You can be big Willie at the strip club cause you drop lotsa coin, but the girls will never respect you!! (read: they'll fuck the guy who didn't spend a dime on them). This is all human nature.

[Coroner]

First: YOU'RE GAY! Not saying that's bad, but whether you live a "straight lifestyle" or not, you're gay! Maybe you should accept that. You can't compare yourself to the guys who are attracted to t-girls and suck t-girl cock but are not attracted to guys at all, but get labeled as gay. That's debatable... You're gay!

Second: There's a catch 22 that's involved; Sure a girl will fuck you and then lose respect for you!!! Just like a girl can "love" having you as a client, but she'll never date you! You can be big Willie at the strip club cause you drop lotsa coin, but the girls will never respect you!! (read: they'll fuck the guy who didn't spend a dime on them). This is all human nature.

Yeah to come back on topic: I second that. Face it dude.

[sheyum]

OMG!

Hey Sunny, I hope thats an 'OMG' what a crazy night, not an 'OMG' what a total douchebag! LOL!


Sunny--correct me if I'm wrong--but Im pretty sure what she meant to say was "OMG--YOU're SO FULL OF SHIT"

just a guess....

[luv2playwithTgirls]

So, to everyone who actually responded to this in a reasonable fashion with regards to the two topics I was looking to talk about, Thank you and I hope to hear more perspectives about it. Slinky, that story about the strap-on was funny as hell, btw, I laughed out loud.

As far as you guys who feel like turning this into an "am I gay" thread, go ahead and drop it. I really don't give a crap. If you go back and read what I said, you might notice that I'm pretty damn comfortable where I'm at sexually, and frankly, labels such as 'gay', 'straight', or 'bi' really don't matter to me. I'm a 'person' who is very sexual, and labels would merely limit my experiences, and why the hell would I want to do that? I've been fortunate enough to enjoy some pretty outragouesly amazing sexual encounters because I'm confident, comfortable with myself, keep my mind open and treat people with respect. If it makes you (and I use the term very generally) feel better about yourself by labelling others, go for it, but do me a favor and take it to a thread that actually might care about that opinion.

btw, Sheyum, every word of it was true. What the hell would I stand to gain by making that shit up?

So, anyways, thanks again to the intellegent folks who actually read my post for what it was.

And, Slinky, thanks for the insight about the possibility that that girl actually was working. It didn't even cross my mind at the time, but was definitely a possibility. I was pretty upset about the whole thing for a little bit just because I hate feeling like I've offended someone (especially an attractive and seemingly nice someone!).

[luv2playwithTgirls]

One thing that's obvious from reading the forum is that a lot of guys are confused about their sexuality, but for some reason the assumption is that none of the girls are (and i think this is in part promulgated by the assertions of the girls). But in reality, there's gender/body/orientation/whatever confusion of all sorts on most people's parts:

A) A girl takes a guy home and fucks him and thinks she's found a husband, but dumps him the next day when she finds out he's gay.

B) Post-op girls who still only go to TS oriented clubs and only have TS friends.

C) Guys who claim they don't want anything to do with cock, but are chasers.

D) Girls losing 3/4 of their clients after SRS, even if they are bottom only.

I could go on, but you get the idea.



But I will say that I think if you asked the VAST majority of the guys in here what they would have done in the situation, they would have freaked at the thought of the gay guy joining in. Then again, the vast majority of the guys here haven't ever actually been with a TS, either.

I'd have to agree with this, Slinky. It does seem like there is alot of sexual confusion going on, as can be seen from some of the less than civil responses i've seen in other threads.

It's also funny that you would mention the lack of actual contact that alot of the guys here have with actual TS. I mean, really, how many of the guys here have actually talked with a TS outside of the safety of this forum, much gone home with one? Makes you wonder...

[sucka4chix]

Dude, how old are you? Sounds like you're naive in general and you're just learning how a dick works! How long have you had yours? A dick doesn't give a fuck HOW it gets off, just that it gets off. It's your BRAIN that makes decisions as to what it will allow to happen. Ever heard of the big head/little head? Just because someone will do something that gets them off, doesn't necessarily mean they approve of it! People have mad sex all the time and regret it afterwards. This is why guys don't call girls back... Because they only satisfied the little head!! I'm not turning your awesome thread into the dreaded am I gay thread, I'm saying most t-girls are attracted to masculinity and if you realize that what you did was GAY, maybe you'd be smart enough to get why she would not be interested AFTER her dick went down and the big head took over.
You might not wanna go to parties where girls are looking for tricks if you get offended when treated like one. And every girl that puts her hand on your dick ISN'T trying to get paid! Some are just horny! Personally, I like a girl to feel me up and get all excited about what she feels. This is what makes interaction w/ t-girls so much better than GGs! Maybe you should acquire a better relationship with your penis, seems sorta dysfunctional!

[sheyum]

"btw, Sheyum, every word of it was true. What the hell would I stand to gain by making that shit up?"


Ok--I'm wriiting to redeem myself--can't stand being counted as one of the UN intelligent responders...Excuse my post if i was wrong--i wrote it at 7:15 am--after being out all night--i was a little fried..It just seemed--upon quick reading---like one of these bullshit posts--with dreamers going on about random sexual exploits that obviously have never happened..but hey--people DO get laid...so maybe I misspoke..
That being said...I really hear you...its always MYSTIFIED me about tss...how they have this insidious and bizarre quirk (not all of course) of hating the very people who accept and desire them..I could NEVER understand--fathom--how people who are transgendered...go through all of the turmoil that they do in the their lives--and strive to be accepted for who they are (crossing gender and orientation lines as they do)--cpuld thne turn around and call someone a demeaning term like "fag" becuase the person wants THEM... Ok--i know in this case we're talking about something a bit different-the poster wnated an actual guy--how how often do we see Tss sneer with disdain at a guy who wants to get fucked by THEM...calling them faggots...its utterly bizarre...ite been discussed here before--possibly its self--hatred....who the fuck knows.
its hard enough to figure GGs out!!

[luv2playwithTgirls]

Dude, how old are you? Sounds like you're naive in general and you're just learning how a dick works! How long have you had yours? A dick doesn't give a fuck HOW it gets off, just that it gets off. It's your BRAIN that makes decisions as to what it will allow to happen. Ever heard of the big head/little head? Just because someone will do something that gets them off, doesn't necessarily mean they approve of it! People have mad sex all the time and regret it afterwards. This is why guys don't call girls back... Because they only satisfied the little head!! I'm not turning your awesome thread into the dreaded am I gay thread, I'm saying most t-girls are attracted to masculinity and if you realize that what you did was GAY, maybe you'd be smart enough to get why she would not be interested AFTER her dick went down and the big head took over.
You might not wanna go to parties where girls are looking for tricks if you get offended when treated like one. And every girl that puts her hand on your dick ISN'T trying to get paid! Some are just horny! Personally, I like a girl to feel me up and get all excited about what she feels. This is what makes interaction w/ t-girls so much better than GGs! Maybe you should acquire a better relationship with your penis, seems sorta dysfunctional!


- shrug - sure, dude, you got me, tg's, and life all figured out. I'm a big queen...

Arguing on the Internet is like competing in the Special Olympics - it doesn't matter if you win or lose, you have to be retarded just to compete.

enjoy

[luv2playwithTgirls]

"btw, Sheyum, every word of it was true. What the hell would I stand to gain by making that shit up?"


Ok--I'm wriiting to redeem myself--can't stand being counted as one of the UN intelligent responders...Excuse my post if i was wrong--i wrote it at 7:15 am--after being out all night--i was a little fried..It just seemed--upon quick reading---like one of these bullshit posts--with dreamers going on about random sexual exploits that obviously have never happened..but hey--people DO get laid...so maybe I misspoke..
That being said...I really hear you...its always MYSTIFIED me about tss...how they have this insidious and bizarre quirk (not all of course) of hating the very people who accept and desire them..I could NEVER understand--fathom--how people who are transgendered...go through all of the turmoil that they do in the their lives--and strive to be accepted for who they are (crossing gender and orientation lines as they do)--cpuld thne turn around and call someone a demeaning term like "fag" becuase the person wants THEM... Ok--i know in this case we're talking about something a bit different-the poster wnated an actual guy--how how often do we see Tss sneer with disdain at a guy who wants to get fucked by THEM...calling them faggots...its utterly bizarre...ite been discussed here before--possibly its self--hatred....who the fuck knows.
its hard enough to figure GGs out!!

Well, actually I don't blame you for assuming that it was BS, I guess it does seem a bit outlandish. Honestly, if the sexual part of it didn't illustrate the whole 'fag' response, I wouldn't have even mentioned it.

Yeah, it is a slightly different set of circumstances, but still pertains to the similar reaction. It's true that it's hard to say what the root is, as everyone is different and have different reasons for things. I was hoping to get some insight from some of the the girls on forum, cause a bunch of guys sitting around and talking about it without their input is alot of mental masturbation. I think that probably Ottorocket had the most accurate reply in this case. In the end, fortunately, there wasn't much malice in the way the girl said it, it was mostly teasing, but it was still a curious response to me.

[sheyum]

lets face it---at the risk of sounding very politically incorrect-MOST t-girls are pretty confused...
lets leave it at that