A couple of TS party observations

[clarknog]

I had the good fortune of being off from work last night, so I went to Sunny's party and Allanah's party. I had fun at each, but felt the need to speak on a couple of things.

First off, let me just say Allanah is a sweetheart. Very genuine, and stunning to boot. I had the pleasure of talking to her for about 20 minutes or so. Very down to earth, not what you might expect from someone with a personna is grand as hers. Very refreshing. (OK, I will stop gushing.) I look forward to attending more of her parties in the future.

The other observation is bothersome. There are a large number of pros at the parties. And by pros, I mean escorts. I am sure this topic has been broached before, but since I am a newbie, allow me some lattitude. I understand it is a good opportunity for an escort to get clients, but Damn! I just want to have a couple of drinks, talk to a young lady or two and enjoy the night. I don't want every conversation to head to one of going someplace and spending a little (or alot) of money.

And I am sure every girl in the place is not on the clock, but after a couple of those conversations, you stop making eye contact and lay low. It gets to the point where you leave earlier than you want so you don't have to keep saying "I'm not paying for it." I was fortunate to have a cool conversation or two, but that was between the "No thank yous" and "Not what I'm looking for right nows".

Has this been anyone else's experience? Any tips on avoiding this? Anything I'm doing wrong? (Hate to think I look like a mark. LOL) And ladies, feel free to chime in with your opinions. All comments, solutions, jokes at my expense are welcome.

Clark - No glasses

[Crawler]

Fantastic.

[flabbybody]

probably cause you were a new face and the girls get a little excited thinking you could be an outta towner with some big cash to spend. being approached is part of the ritual.
you'll get less scrutiny the more you attend. and you'll find yourself becoming more imune to it when it happens

[slinky]

OK, if no one else is gonna say it I will: very few transsexuals go to these events looking to find a husband. Generally speaking, for them, they are going to work. While that's not 100% the case, it's close enough to it that you'd might as well assume it is and be pleasantly surprised if things turn out otherwise.

Now, this doesn't mean that some of these girls don't also hook up at these parties "not pay for play". If a girl is drunk, horny, and can't get a paid date, she may elect to grab some guy and throw him a freebie. And it happens fairly often (even if that seems to contradict my earlier statements). But that's not why they came to the party: their original intent was to work.

Depending on the girl, this can be more or less "hardcore". Some are just looking to make a few bucks giving lapdances and others are leaving for full "dates" half a dozen times a night.

Now on to the tips part: if you can deal with it, go to the parties reasonably often so your face gets known, and each time let it be known that you don't trick. At some point, the girls will get the point that you don't trick, and if they want to talk to you it isn't going to end up in a date. What will then happen is the one's who are only looking to talk to guys who are there to trick will simply avoid you, and the one's who talk to you (while they still might hope you'll change your mind and spring for a date) will know that if they sit and talk to you, they shouldn't expect it to happen.

I know that's the point that I'm at. I go to a ton of the events from just about all the party promoters and the girls pretty much know that they can flirt with me or whatever, but it's not going to end up with them getting paid. (Of course, my statements are slightly disingenuous because they have other ulterior motives since they all want free photos, and a lot have come to think I take better photos of them than anyone else does, so of course they are going to suck up to me even if behind my back they can't stand me. I don't know what to tell you about how you could deal with that part).

But one thing I always make sure of: I am always very cognizant of what's going on around me while I'm talking to the girls. And if I see a potential client making his way towards the girl, I immediately break off whatever conversation I'm having with her and allow her to engage a guy who may end up putting dollars into her pocket. I think this is a point which make a big difference, because the girls know that while they may not be making any $ talking to me, I'm also not going to stop them from making money off of anyone else. See, you have to understand that there is an opportunity cost of talking to you (and oddly enough, this seems to be the only time the girl understand that economic concept) and the girls know if they spend a lot of time talking to one guy and get no $, they could have spent that time talking to a different guy who would have done so.

Another tip: there's a bunch of guys who are regulars at these events. Make friends with some. The girls know that there are guys in these groups who pay and one's who don't, and it's fairly easy to get associated as one of the guys who comes to "hang out with the guys, talk to the girls, but that's it". Also, many of these guys have know a lot of these girls for years and will both tell you things you might want to know, and even introduce you to some of the girls.

[dan_drade]

Well said Slinky

[Jonny29]

Hey Guy,
It happens to everyone. You a guy. You a mark. When I go, I know who is working( 95% of the girls)
and I admit I am not friendly to someone I am not into who is working, yet they get offended. I am not sorry if I dont buy a girl a drink if i am not interested. What is the point? Then they quote a price instead of a drink .c.mon. don't go away offended , just go away.

Dude, if you are not looking to pay, you must be very very patient. Some gems exist but for me it has been at a ratio of 20-1

Hope you fair better

[billy67ny]

I've been to both Allanah's and Sunny's parties. Even though girls will always be girls I get more upset over the high priced, water-down drinks and the 8 to 10 dollar beers than anything else.
Drinks at Allanah's parties are pretty reasonable but Sunny's are pretty high.

[clarknog]

Gentlemen, some very good insight and tips in there. Thanks for that. And as for patience, I have the patience of Job. I can wait.

Any more insight is welcome, especially from the ladies. What's your perspective?

Clark - No glasses

[Dina Delicious]

i always strive for a very diverse crowd and im sure slinky will back me on this
I HAVE THE MOST DIVERSE CROWD THAN ANY PARTY

just be yourself and have fun
just say no !!! lol they will get the hint

DD

[harlemzfinest]

hey i've said no so many times but I have been lucky a few times where girls have been a)so upset that they aren't making any money, b) drunk to the point that they just want to chill with some1 and c) are pretty damn horny that after having a lengthy convo being told that I am so sweet and then being invited back to their home for a freebie. It does happen just got to work your game.

[Grant]

I think it's good that someone brought up this topic for discussion. I've often wondered about some of the same things and I'm glad to see that others do, too.

I realize I may sound a little naive in asking this (based on the replies above), but what if you're not at the party looking for lap dances or sex or any of that stuff? What if you're looking for someone to actually date? Based on these posts, it sounds like this is not really something that can be found there. Slinky, you say that very few transsexuals go to the parties to meet a husband. So uh... any idea where THOSE girls hang out? I mean, there are singles events now for all sorts of groups -- Jewish singles, widowed singles, dances for guys who like BBWs/fat girls... shouldn't there be something like this for fellows who would simply like to meet a nice Tgirl to date for a potential long-term relationship?

I hope nobody minds me asking this, since this is perhaps not the best forum for it. But since the issue has been raised, I figured I'd throw in my two cents. Thanks.

[thx1138]

I'm looking forward to my next party. I'll have plenty of $ for lap dances. I have no problem with the ladies earning some rent money provided there's no deception involved.

[blckhaze]

probably cause you were a new face and the girls get a little excited thinking you could be an outta towner with some big cash to spend. being approached is part of the ritual.
you'll get less scrutiny the more you attend. and you'll find yourself becoming more imune to it when it happens


What he said.
You're not the first, won't be your last.

[hwbs]

i just show them the stiff arm hahahaha

[trannybanger]

I usually start by asking them to buy me a drink, and then later if they would like to take me back to their place for the evening. With them donating to my gift fund of course.

[Crawler]

I usually start by asking them to buy me a drink, and then later if they would like to take me back to their place for the evening. With them donating to my gift fund of course.

They want you to drop the bread?

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

So uh... any idea where THOSE girls hang out? I mean, there are singles events now for all sorts of groups -- Jewish singles, widowed singles, dances for guys who like BBWs/fat girls... shouldn't there be something like this for fellows who would simply like to meet a nice Tgirl to date for a potential long-term relationship?


I'll answer this. They go to gay bars and/or straight bars.

Many of you can't stomach going to a gay bar to see a tranny, but guess what: the original poster of this thread would have better luck trying to talk to a TS at one of those bars than at a "promoted party" in regards to dating, etc. I mentioned this in another thread but I took Hollywood to a spot locally that alot of chicks were at and we had a blast. It was cool because the chicks were just being themselves getting drunk on Halloween and they were all acting as if whatever hormones they were on didn't exist..........horny bitches [love yall I know you're reading].

Not knocking the parties ladies, just stating the obvious. For example:

For years I've watched many a chick go to a promoted party, find a guy they like, then after making him swallow a few overpriced drinks give her and her overperfumed friends a ride back to one of the popular gay bars that trannies are comfortable in locally. The dude will then be ushered in by one of the chicks and they'll surround him and he'll buy them 2 to 3 rounds of drinks, and probably end up with the initial chick or a 3-some he's not paying for [sexually] at the end of the night [because he basically paid for it in gas, mileage, and drinks].

Now in some cases you might see the dude with the chick again, in some form of dating fashion but for the most part it was a one night stand and it's funny to watch a dude walk up to a chick after this occured and she gives him the brush off [hello].

There are always exceptions to this rule: Slinky & I hung out at the TS/TV Senior citizens spot last winter and there's always a few cute younger Asian TS' in there looking to hookup without paying, but it's hit or miss.

JWBL

[trannybanger]

So uh... any idea where THOSE girls hang out? I mean, there are singles events now for all sorts of groups -- Jewish singles, widowed singles, dances for guys who like BBWs/fat girls... shouldn't there be something like this for fellows who would simply like to meet a nice Tgirl to date for a potential long-term relationship?


I'll answer this. They go to gay bars and/or straight bars.

Many of you can't stomach going to a gay bar to see a tranny, but guess what: the original poster of this thread would have better luck trying to talk to a TS at one of those bars than at a "promoted party" in regards to dating, etc. I mentioned this in another thread but I took Hollywood to a spot locally that alot of chicks were at and we had a blast. It was cool because the chicks were just being themselves getting drunk on Halloween and they were all acting as if whatever hormones they were on didn't exist..........horny bitches [love yall I know you're reading].

Not knocking the parties ladies, just stating the obvious. For example:

For years I've watched many a chick go to a promoted party, find a guy they like, then after making him swallow a few overpriced drinks give her and her overperfumed friends a ride back to one of the popular gay bars that trannies are comfortable in locally. The dude will then be ushered in by one of the chicks and they'll surround him and he'll buy them 2 to 3 rounds of drinks, and probably end up with the initial chick or a 3-some he's not paying for [sexually] at the end of the night [because he basically paid for it in gas, mileage, and drinks].

Now in some cases you might see the dude with the chick again, in some form of dating fashion but for the most part it was a one night stand and it's funny to watch a dude walk up to a chick after this occured and she gives him the brush off [hello].

There are always exceptions to this rule: Slinky & I hung out at the TS/TV Senior citizens spot last winter and there's always a few cute younger Asian TS' in there looking to hookup without paying, but it's hit or miss.

JWBL

Agree 100% This is constitutional fact. Another thing that should be noted is that you fellas must have game. Seriously, if you can't pull woman on the daily in general, go ahead and pay.

What you have to realize about these parties is that the draw is the girls, and they know that. Every girl there, even the ones that look like Quasimodo, is aware of the fact that she has more attention there than outside in the street in Manhattan and she will act like it. For this reason, you better have strong game, and I am talkin about fellas that can pick up stunning women anywhere, anytime. These parties are like an All-Star game.

[flabbybody]

I'm told by some of the Bronx girls they go to Escalita when they come into Manhattan just to hang.
but I can't see myself in that place without sticking out like a sore thumb. they'd think I'm either some sort of LE or a pathetic gay boy chaser.

not sure what's worse

[Solitary Brother]

The best place to meet a tranny who ISNT looking for money in San Francisco is probably the END UP.

[whatsupwithat]

i just show them the stiff arm hahahaha

That's your arm?


/hey bro!

[hwbs]

i just show them the stiff arm hahahaha

That's your arm?


/hey bro!




very funny...that is something totally different....whats up my friend ?

[whatsupwithat]

i just show them the stiff arm hahahaha

That's your arm?


/hey bro!




very funny...that is something totally different....whats up my friend ?

nada much. busy. you know the deal. when the heck are you coming into the city?

[hwbs]

i will be back soon...i was there a couple weeks ago and queens briefly on fri ....

[blckhaze]

I'm told by some of the Bronx girls they go to Escalita when they come into Manhattan just to hang.
but I can't see myself in that place without sticking out like a sore thumb. they'd think I'm either some sort of LE or a pathetic gay boy chaser.

not sure what's worse


chaser is worse.


at least if your LE, theyll give some so you dont arrest them. :P

[JerseyMike]

The first time I went to one of the parties that is regularly posted on this board I had no clue what to really expect and didn't know about the lap dances or pros working there. But the way I see it now is if you go to these parties they're close to a strip club in the sense that you will get a lap dance and most likely will have to pay for things. If you want to meet a girl for a long term relationship you really have to end up meeting her in a regular setting, not in a place with low lighting and loud music.

[neverforget]

all that has been said is true. when i first went i was clueless. after a couple of times realized what was going on. i dont go much anymore because it gets tiresome after awhile. have made a couple of good friends from the parties and there insight to the scene is right on. 95% of the girls are working at these parties and guys not looking to buy will be ignored for the most part. ts girls at other clubs in nyc are asseteria on sundays, park on 10th and 18th on sundays and certain nights at splash. ive been to them all and have had some great times with the girls. so to sum it up if you dont pay like me not much sense going to the regular parties but at the same time if you wanna hang out, listen to some tunes and be surrounded by beautiful girls(for the most part)there are worst ways to spend an evening.

[RubyTS]

OK, if no one else is gonna say it I will: very few transsexuals go to these events looking to find a husband. Generally speaking, for them, they are going to work. While that's not 100% the case, it's close enough to it that you'd might as well assume it is and be pleasantly surprised if things turn out otherwise.

Now, this doesn't mean that some of these girls don't also hook up at these parties "not pay for play". If a girl is drunk, horny, and can't get a paid date, she may elect to grab some guy and throw him a freebie. And it happens fairly often (even if that seems to contradict my earlier statements). But that's not why they came to the party: their original intent was to work.

Depending on the girl, this can be more or less "hardcore". Some are just looking to make a few bucks giving lapdances and others are leaving for full "dates" half a dozen times a night.

Now on to the tips part: if you can deal with it, go to the parties reasonably often so your face gets known, and each time let it be known that you don't trick. At some point, the girls will get the point that you don't trick, and if they want to talk to you it isn't going to end up in a date. What will then happen is the one's who are only looking to talk to guys who are there to trick will simply avoid you, and the one's who talk to you (while they still might hope you'll change your mind and spring for a date) will know that if they sit and talk to you, they shouldn't expect it to happen.

I know that's the point that I'm at. I go to a ton of the events from just about all the party promoters and the girls pretty much know that they can flirt with me or whatever, but it's not going to end up with them getting paid. (Of course, my statements are slightly disingenuous because they have other ulterior motives since they all want free photos, and a lot have come to think I take better photos of them than anyone else does, so of course they are going to suck up to me even if behind my back they can't stand me. I don't know what to tell you about how you could deal with that part).

But one thing I always make sure of: I am always very cognizant of what's going on around me while I'm talking to the girls. And if I see a potential client making his way towards the girl, I immediately break off whatever conversation I'm having with her and allow her to engage a guy who may end up putting dollars into her pocket. I think this is a point which make a big difference, because the girls know that while they may not be making any $ talking to me, I'm also not going to stop them from making money off of anyone else. See, you have to understand that there is an opportunity cost of talking to you (and oddly enough, this seems to be the only time the girl understand that economic concept) and the girls know if they spend a lot of time talking to one guy and get no $, they could have spent that time talking to a different guy who would have done so.

Another tip: there's a bunch of guys who are regulars at these events. Make friends with some. The girls know that there are guys in these groups who pay and one's who don't, and it's fairly easy to get associated as one of the guys who comes to "hang out with the guys, talk to the girls, but that's it". Also, many of these guys have know a lot of these girls for years and will both tell you things you might want to know, and even introduce you to some of the girls.

Perfectly said! I dont attend any of the parties anymore because for me it feels kinda meat market-ish and i get oddly uncomfortable when i feel all those eyes burning on me. However, it was not very long ago where i was one of the party girls who attended with the intention to make money. I'd have to say that u hit on all points to a T in this response.

If your objective is to "score" when u go to a Tranny party, expect to spend. The girls can usually tell who is there and for what purpose. Some will use u for drinks, some will try to get lapdances and some will offer a "date." But if you have a decent personality, u might find yourself pleasantly surprised when the girls start taking to you.

I remember there were guys who would come to the nowbar back when they were still open, who were regulars. We would enjoy pleasant conversation during cigarette breaks and so on and so forth. Im naturally very flirtatious and would enjoy making them gaga over me. It was always blast when they weren't being horny creeps.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

lawd geesus

[Yoda Rules!]

Tranny parties rock, I can't wait until Tranny Tuesday :)

[JonnyT]

are there parties like this all over the country or just nyc?

[slinky]

This discussion has been highly geared towards the NYC parties. I really don't know if it's the same everywhere. Perhaps Willie and Felicia will give the LA POV.

[clarknog]

A lot of great insite folks. Thanks.

Since I am not looking to "score" (but I won't lie, under the right circumstances, who is turning down a little loving with a cutie?), I may have to check some of the other spots you guys mentioned. Love the eye candy at the parties, and will buy a lap dance or a drink no problem, but the pay to play thing can get tired quick.

[littlenookie]

I agree that the drinks are totally watered down at Dina's parties and way overpriced. I wouldn't be suprised if the alcohol has been switched in the bottles too.

I have no objection to dropping $20 here and there for lapdances, hey these girls gotta eat right??

[trannybanger]

Anybody that has been to these parties knows for sure that at some of them, the alcohol is definitely switched, as well as watered down. Not saying all of them, as I am sure it depends on the venue, but at some of them yes.

[flabbybody]

in New York City a club owner would not risk loosing their liquor licence by watering down drinks below pre-set guidelines. and these places are subject to constant inspections for all kinds of potential violations

[trannybanger]

in New York City a club owner would not risk loosing their liquor licence by watering down drinks below pre-set guidelines. and these places are subject to constant inspections for all kinds of potential violations

I have business interests in spots in the city, and you are correct on the laws.....but the only thing I can say is that if you have been drinking Beefeater, for many years, and you get a drink out of that bottle and it isn't Beefeater but it is some other gin, I trust my tastebuds.

[slinky]

I'm pretty sure that the last nail in the coffin for Skool was that they found particulate matter floating in the liquor bottles.

Most NYC club owners are notorious scumbags; you really can't be surprised at anything they would do, regardless if they are against any regulations or not. Especially when it gets to the point where they are having trouble making the rent; they figure the end is near and they are going to get closed one way or another anyway, so all the rules go out the window. Look at how many different spots have been at what last was known as ?Rebel? (which I think is the new Mr. Blacks - which itself got closed twice already; first at Bleecker and Broadway and then at 24th and 5th, the first time for cocaine dealing and the second for a tax seizure of some sort. A few years ago I was at several "underground parties" there (i.e. indoor streetwalking - full scale on premises prostitution going on in the club, with the club charging for use of the "fucking room"). So, I'm never really surprised to find out anything going on at any clubs. Besides, tell me the club in Manhattan where there isn't some drug dealing going on?

[hwbs]

in New York City a club owner would not risk loosing their liquor licence by watering down drinks below pre-set guidelines. and these places are subject to constant inspections for all kinds of potential violations

I have business interests in spots in the city, and you are correct on the laws.....but the only thing I can say is that if you have been drinking Beefeater, for many years, and you get a drink out of that bottle and it isn't Beefeater but it is some other gin, I trust my tastebuds.


i have observed them pouring booze from one bottle to another which i totally illegal from the years when i bar tended....but hey i guess anything goes....i will stick to my B&B in my coffee cup :)

[keepingitreal470]

in New York City a club owner would not risk loosing their liquor licence by watering down drinks below pre-set guidelines. and these places are subject to constant inspections for all kinds of potential violations

I have business interests in spots in the city, and you are correct on the laws.....but the only thing I can say is that if you have been drinking Beefeater, for many years, and you get a drink out of that bottle and it isn't Beefeater but it is some other gin, I trust my tastebuds.I've actually tasted beer that at times tastes nothing like the beer I normally drink. And I'm a beer drinker going on 20 years. I know what a bud draft or a heniken draft taste like. Some Bars and clubs do water down drinks if they can get away with it.

[slinky]

I'm not aware of any of the parties where draft beer is served. It's one of the reasons I drink beer: it's really hard to adulterate bottled beer where you can see them open it.

In lots of third world countries I've been, they make a really big point of opening the can or bottle of whatever drink (bottled water, soft drinks, etc.) in front of you so you can see it was sealed.

[keepingitreal470]

I'm not aware of any of the parties where draft beer is served. It's one of the reasons I drink beer: it's really hard to adulterate bottled beer where you can see them open it.

In lots of third world countries I've been, they make a really big point of opening the can or bottle of whatever drink (bottled water, soft drinks, etc.) in front of you so you can see it was sealed.I'm not talking about trannie parties. I'm talking about bars and clubs in general.

[jjhill]

How much do they usually charge for lap dances? or company afterwards?

[nylust]

i stopped going because they used to be a fair amount wilder. now they're kinda tame. and fairly empty. i remember alanah's wild west, or alien themed parties. those were crazy hot.

[jjhill]

i stopped going because they used to be a fair amount wilder. now they're kinda tame. and fairly empty. i remember alanah's wild west, or alien themed parties. those were crazy hot.

Any reason why its not as wild anymore? And they should bring those back

[redhotmailer]

This discussion has been highly geared towards the NYC parties. I really don't know if it's the same everywhere. Perhaps Willie and Felicia will give the LA POV.

I am VERY interested in the party scene in teh LA area. I am going there in late December, and am thinking about Goddess Night at Club Cobra on Jan 1.

Any other suggestions, clues, tips, advice would be very appreciated (very appreciated).

[slinky]

Any reason why its not as wild anymore?


Because the clubs don't allow half the shit they used to let go on. It's not the promoters, it's an SLA thing.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

i stopped going because they used to be a fair amount wilder. now they're kinda tame. and fairly empty. i remember alanah's wild west, or alien themed parties. those were crazy hot.

I hope you can return to our monhtly event sometime.
While yes, its not as wild, this Friday we took it to a complete other level.
With that being said, this business has been somewhat changed and ruined by several factors-weekly events are never going to be as busy as bug events. When I did those parties, there was nothing else going on.
It'a different game now, and that is why Dina and I are traying to change it.

[TsVanessa69]

Well said Slinky
I have to agree. And as a girl who goes to the party's when I'm in town I have to say I don't go to the partys to pick up clients myself. I go to meet and greet and conversate, even before I had a boyfriend. however also keep in mind, some guys go to pick up working girls, and if the price is right I will accept to leave with them. But its not MY intentions when I go to a party. You meet very interesting people at the party's. It has also worked in my favor that guys go to feel girls out personality wise as far as picking a girl they feel comfortable with before they spend their money on a date.

[Sunny Dee-lite]

Any reason why its not as wild anymore?


Because the clubs don't allow half the shit they used to let go on. It's not the promoters, it's an SLA thing.


All of the Parties i have attended my Drinks were very strong, i drink often and i can say i was pretty drunk on 4 Long Islands =]...

And the last Tuesday party i attended i hung around til around 3 and this random tranny was talkin to me on the couch and started to suck my dick right there on the spot with ppl around until her friend pulled her away to leave the club. So i consider that pretty crazy!

UH HUH...I SEE ...I LOVE THESE INTERESTING POSTINGS ON HERE....I WILL MAKE SURE THAT THIS ISSUE IS ADDRESSED! SAME POSTER FROM THE FRIDAY PARTY TOO...SOMEONE FEELS THAT HAVE VERY NEGATIVE THINGS TO SAY ABOUT MY EVENTS OR I SHOULD SAY BRING "NEGATIVE LIGHT" TO MY EVENTS....I AM INSIDE MOST OF THE NIGHT WITH THREE SECURITY GUARDS, I AM SURE SOMEONE WOULD HAVE NOTICED THIS ACTIVITY! :roll:

[flabbybody]

and he would have been physically removed from the club in less than a minute. I'm wondering what kind of demented soul would make up a story like that and what's his motive
maybe he should just be banned

[susi1045]

:popcorn

[Shining Star]

Parties aren't as "wild" as they used to be, at least in NYC for probably a very good reason: LE.

The lessons of Nowbar and Edelweiss are well known and remembered amoung those who own bars, and since it is their license and place of business on the line, owners have a vested interest in making sure things do not get out of hand.

It always amazes me that guys complain about how crazy things are at trannie parties, yet many go with the expectation of finding a prossie and or having some sort of sexual act right on the premises. I mean does one go out to a St8 disco or bar with the same plan?

Ok, there may be the odd sex act or some such at a St8 club, but nothing like what happens at some trannie parties.

You now have an entire generation of young trans who think it is their god given right to "work" anywhere and anyplace, 24/7 they can find a date. True back in the days many girls worked, but you went to GG Barnum or the like to do that sort of thing.

[EyeCumInPiece]

Being approached by escorts doesnt bother me much. They're just out here tryin 2 get their hustle on like the rest of us, and id say about 98% of them are gracious and just keep it moving if you say your not looking to pay. Not to mention that alot of the working girls are drop dead fucking gorgeous. The thing that bothers me the most about the parties......is having my picture taken without my permission. Call me uptight or closet-case or whatever, but i just do not like having my picture taken without my permission, and then coming on this site and seeing a picture of me with a tranny sitting in my lap. lol. Regardless of whether my face is blocked out or not, that is not the point. I am just not feeling this aspect of the parties and is the biggest reason of why ive stayed away for the last year.

[redhotmailer]

The thing that bothers me the most about the parties......is having my picture taken without my permission. Call me uptight or closet-case or whatever, but i just do not like having my picture taken without my permission, and then coming on this site and seeing a picture of me with a tranny sitting in my lap. lol. Regardless of whether my face is blocked out or not, that is not the point. I am just not feeling this aspect of the parties and is the biggest reason of why ive stayed away for the last year.

I can see that. I realize the ladies could use the publicity, but the gents really don't need (or want) it.

[slinky]

The lessons of Nowbar and Edelweiss are well known and remembered amoung those who own bars, and since it is their license and place of business on the line, owners have a vested interest in making sure things do not get out of hand.

Nowbar wasn't closed because of the Tranny parties. But that doesn't mean that anyone should think the problem isn't the same anyway.

[slinky]

Call me uptight or closet-case or whatever, but i just do not like having my picture taken without my permission, and then coming on this site and seeing a picture of me with a tranny sitting in my lap. lol. Regardless of whether my face is blocked out or not, that is not the point.

As one of the party photographers, I agree with you. Personally I try my best to take photos where the background is clear. I would never knowingly take a picture of a guy with a girl in his lap without permission. In fact, whenever some girl motions me to take a pic of her and some guy, I always give a funny square look at the guy and make sure he knows he's having his pic taken.

That said, sometimes it's not possible and there are guys who end up in the background. Guys sometimes end up in the foreground, too, but this is only because they walk into the frame in the middle of a shot (note to guys who don't want their pics taken: if you see some girl posing, odds are it's not for you. Take a look across from her to see if she's posing for a photo - odds are she is - and don't walk in between the girl and the camera). I also try to make a point of watching to see if a guy is approaching the stage and pull my camera up so that the guy doesn't have to worry about having his pic taken and the dancer doesn't lose tips because I'm scaring guys off (there are some photographers who really are very clueless about this. These same guys also tend to be rude to other photographers and walk into their frames while some girl is posing for them. I ALWAYS try to make a point of not stepping on anyone else's shots).

However, when guys do make it into my pics, a lot of times I either don't use them period, or, rather than simply blurring their faces, I chop them out entirely. For example, there were originally 6 guys in the first photo and a combined total of about 17 guys in the animated GIF below it: