future President, Who are you voting for

[masterR]

And why.

[MrsKellyPierce]

And why.To further my thoughts on why from my article, Palin, and the circus she's brought to town, are simply a bountiful collection of small lies deliberately designed to distract the country from one big truth: the havoc that George Bush and the Republican Party have wrought, and that John McCain is committed to continuing. She is holding dear to the whole "hockey mom thing" to win women votes, and using her femininty to win mens votes, as well people giving her the "oh be nice, she doesn't know, Oh she's just a woman they should be nicer to her" The girl is in politics, VP! Hillary didn't ask for any special treatment!

Every second of this campaign not spent talking about the Republican Party's record, and John McCain's role in that record, is a victory for John McCain. I am voting for Obama, because the republicans have had it the last 8 years and its time for the democrates to take control once again. Although both houses are to blame for voting to go to Iraq, since 1/3 was dem. However that being said Mccain wants to stay in Iraq! He believes it is strategically and morally essential for the United States to support the Government of Iraq to become capable of governing itself and safeguarding its people. He strongly disagrees with those who advocate withdrawing American troops before that has occurred. John McCain believes that economic progress is essential to sustaining security gains in Iraq. Markets that were once silent and deserted have come back to life in many areas, but high unemployment rates continue to fuel criminal and insurgent violence. To move young men away from the attractions of well-funded extremists, we need a vibrant, growing Iraqi economy. The Iraqi government can jump-start this process by using a portion of its budget surplus to employ Iraqis in infrastructure projects and in restoring basic services. So basically he wants to stay, and I can not and will not support this!



I am still no fan of Biden either, he isn't elite as Hillary. Why they picked him I still don't know. I have watched his debate, omg it was just horrible from saying they had tvs in the depression era, to saying FDR was president to talking about STREETS?? STREETS! Good lord! It was the craziest debate I ever watched. I hope this man has more sense than what he has shown lately.

[masterR]

wow kelly Beautiful ,hot , and smart

[MrsKellyPierce]

wow kelly Beautiful ,hot , and smart thank u

[Goldenguinea]

i cant understand the people that say that Palin is too inexperienced to be president if something happened to McCain. Obama isnt any more experinced than her.

[4star4]

Let's talk about President Bush then. Two terms, and a failure. Will you vote for the right again?

[Legend]

Just a side note on tonight's date,do any of you notice michelle obama stayed around and shook hands while cindy mccain stood their like the crowd was beneath her.

[jordyd19]

Ted Nugent,

Why not? My state is always democratic anyways and the Nuge will defintely shake things up with arrows and buffalos and Wang Bang Sweet Pun tang.

Did I piss anyone off?

[Janie2261]

It is hard to understand how anyone could vote for McCain. He and his party led us into a disastrous and totally unnecessary war -- and, by the way, also ruined the economy. How could anyone be so naive as to feel comfortable about keeping these incompetents in power?

Their whole approach to government has BEEN SHOWN to be a complete failure. I am sure history books will rank Georeg Bush right down there with Herbert Hoover, as one of our worst presidents.

Clinton left office with a very large budget surplus, and Bush is leaving us with largest -- by far -- budget deficit AND national debt in history. Bush has squandered the national treasure with ill-advised wars and Wall Street cronyism.

As if McCain were not bad enough by himself, he picks a totally unqualified VP running mate, who can sound coherent ONLY if she sticks to her memorized lines. Any questioning that gets below the level of her superficial sound bites seems to always throw her into a "deer in the headlights" state of shock and word salad.

So -- why would anyone vote for McCain?

[johnb]

I was undecided, but will vote for Obama. Why? Because I watched the debate tonight.

[blckhaze]

obama.

something about mccain being one foot in the grave and Palin being the leader of what's still the most powerful country in the world scares me to no end.

[dan_drade]

I am voting for Bob Barr. If you want to know more, just look here. http://www.lp.org/issues And feel free to read more of what the Libertarian party is about.

[Quinn]

obama.

something about mccain being one foot in the grave and Palin being the leader of what's still the most powerful country in the world scares me to no end.

No doubt, Haze. Palin is cleary a baffle wit. Just ask the "Talibani" or the newest commander of US forces in Iraq – one "General McClellan" of Civil War fame. She's not the one we want in charge of this nation's "nucular" arsenal if we face a confrontation with "Akmadinajad."

-Quinn

[dan_drade]

I am voting for Bob Barr. If you want to know more, just look here. http://www.lp.org/issues And feel free to read more of what the Libertarian party is about.

Nothing wrong with Barr, except for the fact that he'll be lucky to get 500,000 votes. He'll, of course, get 0 electoral votes. Not hating on fmr. Rep. Barr, just stating the facts.

You are probably right about the amount of votes that he will get. But how long will people vote for the lesser of two evils just so that they can say the voted for a winner?

The bottom line is that if you don't agree with a candidates policies, you should not vote for him... Period.

[circ]

Don't forget people, that not voting works too.

[harlemzfinest]

Not voting or voting for someone who has absolutely no chance in hell of winning is the most ludicrous thing to do. Is Obama the perfect candidate? No But have you guys seen who has been in charge for the last 8 years? If you are not better off now then you were 8 years ago then your choice is a clear one!!

[Justawannabe]

Actually not voting doesn't work, and neither does voting for a third party.

Whether we like it or not, someone is going to win and get all the power, and it's going to one of two people. That's a practical reality.

If you don't vote, you have in effect voted for the guy least like you in policy. How? Because you have taken yourself out of the pool of voters, while the other side might have energized people in a similar distance the other way on the political spectrum to vote.

If you vote third party, you usually are part of a drain on the candidate most like you for the same reason. The difference here is you may encourage others to do the same, tipping the balance in close fights against folks who have your interests more in mind.

It would be different if we had a power sharing style of government, but we have a winner take all style. If you win by even one vote... you've won, wait two to six years to complain if you lose.

The concept of the protest non-vote, or third party vote, doesn't have a significant impact on policy most of the time. We've rarely seen close won elections result in bi-partisan work, or even major inclusion of third party agendas.

Someone wins, whether you vote or not. That someone will be from a major party, like it or not. Three months after the election, anyone else who ran will be remembered mostly not as a crusader... but as a spoiler who hurt his own cause.

Not as well put together as Kelly's post, but hopefully you get the point.

[Fox]

i cant understand the people that say that Palin is too inexperienced to be president if something happened to McCain. Obama isnt any more experinced than her.

Moreso than experience it's knowledge and judgment. She can barely cite what materials she reads. I don't trust her to lead this country in the event of McCain's absence. Obama, on the other hand, I do.

Neither camp is perfect, but he gets my vote. :wink:

[Deege]

I already voted, early. Obama got my vote. 4 more years of Bush style policies from McCain would be absolutely terrible to our economy, our troops, and our standing in the world.

And the thought of Palin taking over if McCain passes away during his 4 years (which is probably more likely to happen than not happen at his age) scares the shit out of me. She makes George W. Bush look like a rocket scientist by comparison.

[Deege]

And braveman, you are correct - our one vote does not count. However, when thousands of our "one votes" do add up, they tend to count - usually a representative votes the way the people of their state/district did - though they aren't required to.

[Justawannabe]

That's assuming the national election is all that is on the ballot... it's not...

And while there may only be a dozen states that are close, that's still a dozen states where it might matter. This particular election might be laid out that way, but that has varied over time. A large number of states have been fairly close with less that half of registered voters actually voting.

Remember folks, almost all of the polls we see are based on 'likely voters', ie folks that have voted in the last few elections. Given how few folks we have vote, a little motivation could well change which states are in play.

The old cry 'my vote won't matter' is how we got down to a 50% voter turnout to start with. If you don't vote don't bloody well complain about what the government does, as you've chosen to abdicate you most direct say in it.

Sean

[goldensamba]

i cant understand the people that say that Palin is too inexperienced to be president if something happened to McCain. Obama isnt any more experinced than her.

The difference is that she has an IQ of about 3. I think George Bush is an idiot and she tops him for stupidity. Someone who says their foreign policy experience includes hat fact that they can see Russia is too stupid to be anything more than a trash picker.

Biden, although prone to gaffe from time to time is an honest guy. This is a guy who managed to be a single dad and go home every night at the end of his day to take care of his kids while being in the Senate after his wife died. I would say he has a decent idea what the average American struggles with unlike Mr 12 houses or the fairy godmother of LA-La land.

As a veteran and fellow soldier I am completely disgusted by McCain and how low he has sunk in his desperation to be president. The fact that he chose to not shake hands after the debate last night speaks volumes about how petty he is and about his temperament.

[lahabra1976]

[quote=Goldenguinea]i cant understand the people that say that Palin is too inexperienced to be president if something happened to McCain. Obama isnt any more experinced than her.

Don't forget that calling Obama inexperienced may label you as a racist, but since Palin is white, its okay ;)

[goldensamba]

[quote=Goldenguinea]i cant understand the people that say that Palin is too inexperienced to be president if something happened to McCain. Obama isnt any more experinced than her.

Don't forget that calling Obama inexperienced may label you as a racist, but since Palin is white, its okay ;)

According to republican's calling her inexperienced is sexist. People in glass houses.........

[kilrjo]

No way will I vote for an "empty suit" candidate whose best friend is a domestic terrorist, has passed zero substantial legislation and who promotes socialistic policies. Tax only people who make $250,000 or more? Most small businesses fall into this category.
Their Iraq strategy is pull out. that's it. I am so confused as to why people are so mesmerized by Barak Hussein Obama.
Sarah get my vote, hands dowm. She's the ONLY candidate who has executive experience. Obama has managed nothing, led no one.
The Democrats can't even manage their own party and I will not trust them to manage my money, healthcare and the economy. Franklin Raines, Chris Dodd and Barney Frank are responsible for this current economic mess.

[goldensamba]

No way will I vote for an "empty suit" candidate whose best friend is a domestic terrorist, has passed zero substantial legislation and who promotes socialistic policies. Tax only people who make $250,000 or more? Most small businesses fall into this category.
Their Iraq strategy is pull out. that's it. I am so confused as to why people are so mesmerized by Barak Hussein Obama.
Sarah get my vote, hands down. She's the ONLY candidate who has executive experience. Obama has managed nothing, led no one.
The Democrats can't even manage their own party and I will not trust them to manage my money, healthcare and the economy. Franklin Raines, Chris Dodd and Barney Frank are responsible for this current economic mess.

Let me tear this bullshit apart piece by piece.

1. If you are going to try and tie Obama to domestic terrorism then you have to do the same with McCain and Palin. Palin's husband was a member of an Alaska Separatist group that professed hatred to America and wanted it's own Independence. McCain has past connections to a private group that supplied aid to guerrillas seeking to overthrow the leftist government of Nicaragua in the Iran-Contra affair. The U.S. Council for World Freedom was part of an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America. The group was dedicated to stamping out communism around the globe. The council's founder, retired Army Maj. Gen. John Singlaub, said McCain became associated with the organization in the early 1980s as McCain was launching his political career in Arizona.

2. Less that 10% of small businesses in the US make over 250,000 a year in profit. You can't just keep cutting everyone's taxes and think the deficit is just going to magically go away genius. Giving another 700,000 cut to the richest people in america makes no sense. Since hardly any of these people have children serving in the armed forces I would say this is the least they can do.

3. Executive experience? You mean like giving tax dollars back to people in Alaska and then crating a deficit so they had to borrow money when they originally had a surplus.

4. BOTH parties are at fult for SOME of this. BUSH and co and well as Barney Frank and his idiots. The mortgage crisis in the ONLY piece that belongs to both parties here. The republicans alone are at fault for the mess with these unregulated companies raping shareholders and taking millions in bonuses after companies fail. You can't have control of congress for 12 years and the white house for the last 8 and try to blame this on someone else. That is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard.

You are a complete moron. Get educated instead of spouting off lame ass talking points without knowing the truth. You got something else you can pull out of your ass that's untrue as well? Bring it, I will educate you on that too.

[gr4phic4rtist08]

stfu samba you don't know wtf you are talking about. Why don't you turn off CNN and take this to the policitcal thread and quit taking up space

[goldensamba]

stfu samba you don't know wtf you are talking about. Why don't you turn off CNN and take this to the policitcal thread and quit taking up space

What's wrong? Facts getting in the way of your fantasy world?

[lahabra1976]

According to republican's calling her inexperienced is sexist. People in glass houses.........

LOL you got that right, but it okay cause she's dam hot for her age. Which is the reason I am voting for McCain. Yes I know thats some dumb shit. But hey, once the arabs get a look how hot are VP is, we can demand anything, oil at penny prices...LOL

[goldensamba]

According to republican's calling her inexperienced is sexist. People in glass houses.........

LOL you got that right, but it okay cause she's dam hot for her age. Which is the reason I am voting for McCain. Yes I know thats some dumb shit. But hey, once the arabs get a look how hot are VP is, we can demand anything, oil at penny prices...LOL

Wow, just wow is all I can say to that one. I'm gonna assume you are kidding.

[lahabra1976]

According to republican's calling her inexperienced is sexist. People in glass houses.........

LOL you got that right, but it okay cause she's dam hot for her age. Which is the reason I am voting for McCain. Yes I know thats some dumb shit. But hey, once the arabs get a look how hot are VP is, we can demand anything, oil at penny prices...LOL

Wow, just wow is all I can say to that one. I'm gonna assume you are kidding.

Yea I am, not about the hot part through ;)

[trish]

i cant understand the people that say that Palin is too inexperienced to be president if something happened to McCain. Obama isnt any more experinced than her.

Obama began his career serving as director of the Developing Communities Project in Chicago. He was a consultant for the Gamaliel Foundation. He entered Harvard Law and became president of the prestigious Harvard Law Review. He worked for Sidley and Austin and also for Hopkins and Sutter. He graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law, one of the most prestigious law schools on the planet. He taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years. He joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland and first as an associate and later of council. He served on the board of directors of Woods Fund of Chicago and the board of directors of Chicago Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law. He was elected to the Illinois Senate in 1996 (12 years ago). He took part in Illinois ethics legislation, tax reform, welfare reform. He was chairman of the Illinois Senate's Health and Human Services Committee. In 2004 he was elected to the United States Senate. From that point on his career is rather well advertised: his opposition to the Iraqi War and his stand against the erosion of American freedoms.

The point is Obama is neither inexperienced nor an idiot. Now I will grant that vast experience isn’t necessary for the job of president. Some experience helps ( more importantly, one has to demonstrate the capacity to learn from one’s experiences. This is where McCain has failed over and over again). What we’ve seen demonstrated over the course of the last eight years that a modicum of intelligence is absolutely essential.

[goldensamba]

According to republican's calling her inexperienced is sexist. People in glass houses.........

LOL you got that right, but it okay cause she's dam hot for her age. Which is the reason I am voting for McCain. Yes I know thats some dumb shit. But hey, once the arabs get a look how hot are VP is, we can demand anything, oil at penny prices...LOL

Wow, just wow is all I can say to that one. I'm gonna assume you are kidding.

Yea I am, not about the hot part through ;)

The fact that she is so dumb does my head in and I can't see past it. Besides, I live in Southern Cal where there are tons of hot ass soccer moms all over the place.

[goldensamba]

i cant understand the people that say that Palin is too inexperienced to be president if something happened to McCain. Obama isnt any more experinced than her.

Obama began his career serving as director of the Developing Communities Project in Chicago. He was a consultant for the Gamaliel Foundation. He entered Harvard Law and became president of the prestigious Harvard Law Review. He worked for Sidley and Austin and also for Hopkins and Sutter. He graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law, one of the most prestigious law schools on the planet. He taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years. He joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland and first as an associate and later of council. He served on the board of directors of Woods Fund of Chicago and the board of directors of Chicago Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law. He was elected to the Illinois Senate in 1996 (12 years ago). He took part in Illinois ethics legislation, tax reform, welfare reform. He was chairman of the Illinois Senate's Health and Human Services Committee. In 2004 he was elected to the United States Senate. From that point on his career is rather well advertised: his opposition to the Iraqi War and his stand against the erosion of American freedoms.

The point is Obama is neither inexperienced nor an idiot. Now I will grant that vast experience isn’t necessary for the job of president. Some experience helps ( more importantly, one has to demonstrate the capacity to learn from one’s experiences. This is where McCain has failed over and over again). What we’ve seen demonstrated over the course of the last eight years that a modicum of intelligence is absolutely essential.

Apparently the fact that he is well educated makes him an elitist. ;)

[Fox]

I keep noticing anti-Obama people mentioning his middle name as if it has any relavence. :roll:

[Legend]

I keep noticing anti-Obama people mentioning his middle name as if it has any relavence. :roll:


Its all some right wing conspiracy to somehow convince people he is a terrorist,at some of the palin and mccain rallies you have people yelling out "terrorist" and kill him".

[Fox]

Yeah, but if at any time they were going to do that it should have been very early on. At this point I think most people realize they're just grasping at straws.

[Quiet Reflections]

Dont be a hater, Vote for Nader

[El Nino]

i cant understand the people that say that Palin is too inexperienced to be president if something happened to McCain. Obama isnt any more experinced than her.

Obama began his career serving as director of the Developing Communities Project in Chicago. He was a consultant for the Gamaliel Foundation. He entered Harvard Law and became president of the prestigious Harvard Law Review. He worked for Sidley and Austin and also for Hopkins and Sutter. He graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law, one of the most prestigious law schools on the planet. He taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years. He joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland and first as an associate and later of council. He served on the board of directors of Woods Fund of Chicago and the board of directors of Chicago Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law. He was elected to the Illinois Senate in 1996 (12 years ago). He took part in Illinois ethics legislation, tax reform, welfare reform. He was chairman of the Illinois Senate's Health and Human Services Committee. In 2004 he was elected to the United States Senate. From that point on his career is rather well advertised: his opposition to the Iraqi War and his stand against the erosion of American freedoms.

The point is Obama is neither inexperienced nor an idiot. Now I will grant that vast experience isn’t necessary for the job of president. Some experience helps ( more importantly, one has to demonstrate the capacity to learn from one’s experiences. This is where McCain has failed over and over again). What we’ve seen demonstrated over the course of the last eight years that a modicum of intelligence is absolutely essential.

Yeah, and what good is all this in light of the fact he has now clearly sold his soul to the corporatocracy. The U.S. Constitution that he once taught, he now could care less about. They both are puppets and two sides of the same coin

[Tanuki]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h2Tlm09DLI

[scubaman]

Guess?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anxkrm9uEJk

[vicky]

While I can admire what John McCain went through in Nam. I can't admire where he stands now. Sarah Palin is hot. And an outsider which makes her appealing. But she isn't ready nfor prime time. Obama scares me. I just took his website and bumped against the 10 pillars of communism. If that doesn't scare you nothing will. And Biden is just another one of the elite DC pukes. And they are both lawyers and I have a hatered for laywers
Last night I could have kick either one of their asses. It was boring. They neither showed passion or compassion for what we are going through in these tough economic times. 300 million people in this country and this is the best we can do. LAdies and gentlemen we need people who put the country first. Put it first before their parties and themselves. Good luck with that one. I am voting for me. I will vote in the local races and if you are an incumbent I vote the other way.

[ILuvGurls]

While I can admire what John McCain went through in Nam. I can't admire where he stands now. Sarah Palin is hot. And an outsider which makes her appealing. But she isn't ready nfor prime time. Obama scares me. I just took his website and bumped against the 10 pillars of communism. If that doesn't scare you nothing will. And Biden is just another one of the elite DC pukes. And they are both lawyers and I have a hatered for laywers
Last night I could have kick either one of their asses. It was boring. They neither showed passion or compassion for what we are going through in these tough economic times. 300 million people in this country and this is the best we can do. LAdies and gentlemen we need people who put the country first. Put it first before their parties and themselves. Good luck with that one. I am voting for me. I will vote in the local races and if you are an incumbent I vote the other way.

got to agree if these 2 are the best we can do.....we are in deep shit for the next 4 years.

been voting for the other guy for many years.....figure if the incumbent is defeated it will take the new guy/girl a few years to learn how to steal.

[wombat33]

McCaine is the lesser of two evils. BARELY

[Solitary Brother]

Although Im not a democrat and never have been I MAY vote for Obama.
Im also thinking about going to his inauguration next JAN.

[stillies77]

Obama has my vote.

[goldensamba]

While I can admire what John McCain went through in Nam. I can't admire where he stands now. Sarah Palin is hot. And an outsider which makes her appealing. But she isn't ready nfor prime time. Obama scares me. I just took his website and bumped against the 10 pillars of communism. If that doesn't scare you nothing will. And Biden is just another one of the elite DC pukes. And they are both lawyers and I have a hatered for laywers
Last night I could have kick either one of their asses. It was boring. They neither showed passion or compassion for what we are going through in these tough economic times. 300 million people in this country and this is the best we can do. LAdies and gentlemen we need people who put the country first. Put it first before their parties and themselves. Good luck with that one. I am voting for me. I will vote in the local races and if you are an incumbent I vote the other way.

Please state these "10 pillars of communism"..............

This ought to be good. If you think anything on that web site has to do with communism you don't know anything about world history or about tpes of government.

[vicky]

the 10 pillars of communism. taken from Karl Marx
1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.
Now take that and look at his website.Look at the democrat platform. And look at the past record of votes and where he has sat on boards. It scares me. It might not you . And that is fine everyone has a right ( for now still) to their opinion. Thats why i love this country. And served it proudly.

[circ]

Most of those so called pillars already exist in just about every western 'democracy'. I don't buy into Obama's rhetoric, but come on, commie? Give me a break.

[Justawannabe]

Okay... not sure I see where most of these apply... could you be a bit more specific.

1 - how is he ending property rights in land ownership?
2 - graduated income tax I concede, I could argue whether this or not this works within the free market systems... but we clearly have it.
3 - inheritance is not abolished... it is taxed, but I don't think that is the same thing. Given the trust fund I live off I'm fairly certain that inheritance is alive and well.
4 - confiscation of property of emigrants and rebels... hmm... emigrants was fine until just recently, I don't know the current status so can't comment. Rebel is hard to define but the seizure laws of the late 80s on has made that a concern, but they have come out of the right in this country, not the left.
5 - don't think we have a government monopoly on banking, but maybe I'm wrong.
6 - No one is trying to centralize communication as a state function...
7 - No one is looking to have the state own factories...
8 - All must work and build arms. No one is asking me to get a job... though health care would be cheaper if I did... and we all pay for arms... how is this communist rather than just national protection regardless of political philosophy?
9 - How is he trying to combine rural and city... and how is it relevant in modern society? Equal access to education maybe?
10 - Again... no child labor as known in that day, minimum education of children, both relatively good things. Combination of education and industry... not sure I see this one either, other than encouraging more practical courses in some areas.

I just don't see your argument here... it feels equivalent to argument about drivers licensing being a form of government attempting to control the means of transportation. Clearly not the intent or actual result of licensing drivers... but there are folks who would make the argument.

I don't want to put words in your mouth so, could you give a few specific examples of even half of these... you claimed all ten are there and I'm conceding at least two... so three more, and why they indicate something incompatible with the American capitalist system?

Sean

[goldensamba]

the 10 pillars of communism. taken from Karl Marx
1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.
Now take that and look at his website.Look at the democrat platform. And look at the past record of votes and where he has sat on boards. It scares me. It might not you . And that is fine everyone has a right ( for now still) to their opinion. Thats why i love this country. And served it proudly.

What are you J Edgar Hoover? Oddly enough this list also applies to every succesful democracy on the planet. No one is strying to move the country to communism, the democratic (not democrat) platform is a populist platform. You need to learn about the function of government before you go spouting off something so ridiculous.

I see this is on web sites that say things like "Waterboard Obama" and things of this nature. Looks like quite the intelligent argument. Maybe if you had some of number 10 you wouldn't write such ignorant things.

I also served his country proudly and get quite tired of people calling everyone's patriotism into question when they disagree with them. This is the reason I have lost all respect for McCain as well. For a soldier who is always yapping about honor he sure as hell has forgotten what it means to be upright and honest and do what is right. I used to admire this guy but after seeing the way he has run this campaign and who he has hired to run it I am disgusted. No soldier I know of changes his stripes mid battle to fight for the oher side and that is exactly what John McCain has done.

The things being promoted on these web sites peddling this communism nonsense are much closer to communism than anything else I have seen. No one waterboards thier own people except dictatorships and communist states like the old USSR.

[bte]

And why.

I am going to vote for McCain simply because I don't trust Obama. I don't believe that he is going to lower taxes for 95% of Americans. His associations with Ayers, Wright and Rezko shows he has poor judgement in character. He is extremely liberal and is pro-choice. All in all, I don't really trust him. I don't think McCain is the right candidate for the job either but this election is basically to see who is the smartest kid with Down Syndrome. I am voting for McCain, but I think that Obama is going to win.

[El Nino]

Obama and McSame are equally as dangerous for the integrity of the USA. Both are DC ppukes who sold their souls to the corrupt machine that has taken power away from the people. We shouldn't have to settle for "the lesser of two evils" That is BS. Ron Paul or nothing at all

[goldensamba]

And why.

I am going to vote for McCain simply because I don't trust Obama. I don't believe that he is going to lower taxes for 95% of Americans. His associations with Ayers, Wright and Rezko shows he has poor judgement in character. He is extremely liberal and is pro-choice. All in all, I don't really trust him. I don't think McCain is the right candidate for the job either but this election is basically to see who is the smartest kid with Down Syndrome. I am voting for McCain, but I think that Obama is going to win.

Then you have a different standard for one candidate than you do another. McCain is also linked with a fringe group that includes Nazi and racist elements; Palin's husband was part of a seperatist group who professed thier hatred for the US. McCain is also backed by a preacher who calimed 9/11 and Katrina both were rusults of the "Gay society" we allow here in the US. Palin is a "hands on" wack job who thinks god guides her to where he wants her. How do you not apply the same guilt by association principal to both of them? If you are going to try and make an argument that you want people to take seriously educate yourself on all sides FIRST. Then apply the same standard to both people. Guilt by association in this manner is a stretch at best and at worst is charachter assasination with no justification.

[boondocksaint]

Ted Nugent,

Why not? My state is always democratic anyways and the Nuge will defintely shake things up with arrows and buffalos and Wang Bang Sweet Pun tang.

Did I piss anyone off?

he is awesome, anyone watch the ATHF when he was on there, like as Geewiz

also im voting for McCain in spite of Obamas plan to tax big business which will force more jobs overseas

[natina]

to the economic problems facing this country





Obama charges McCain trying to divide countryhttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27114059

[Ben]

There are far more people running for President than McCain and Obama.
There's Gene Amondson for the Prohibition Party, Chuck Baldwin for the Constitution Party, Bob Barr for the Libertarians, Roger Calero for the Socialist Workers, Charles Jay for the Boston Tea Party, Alan Keyes as an Independent, Gloria La Riva for: Socialism & Liberation, Cynthia McKinney for the GREENS, Brian Moore for the Socialist Party, Ralph Nader, of course, as an Independent, Thomas Stevens of the Objectivist Party, and Ted Weill of the Reform Party.

[natina]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0teLVZvsUs



And why.

I am going to vote for McCain simply because I don't trust Obama. I don't believe that he is going to lower taxes for 95% of Americans. His associations with Ayers, Wright and Rezko shows he has poor judgement in character. He is extremely liberal and is pro-choice. All in all, I don't really trust him. I don't think McCain is the right candidate for the job either but this election is basically to see who is the smartest kid with Down Syndrome. I am voting for McCain, but I think that Obama is going to win.

obama was 8 years old when this man did the terrorists acts and this video that became viral tells story and makes your argument absurd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0teLVZvsUs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okwu0vm0UwM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okwu0vm0UwM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m6CD33_s7s&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjhNi-37upY&feature=related

Robert Gibbs, Barack Obama's Communications Director, tries to equate Obama's ties to domestic terrorist William Ayers with Sean Hannity's interview of someone who is antisemitic.

As you watch, notice how Gibbs never answers the question. Instead of being honest and forthright, the typical Obama campaign strategy is to use moral relativism to dismiss difficult questions all together.

Mr. Obama's relationship with William Ayers is far more than "guilt by association". The man is a known terrorist that participated in the bombings of the New York City police headquarters, the U.S. Capitol, and the Pentagon.

Mr. Obama has released a statement that he was only 8 years old when Ayers committed his crimes and condemned the violent acts, yet, in 1995, Ayers hosted a function for Obama during his first run for office. Would you have "coffee" with an admitted terrorist?

The issue here is not Sean Hannity. He is not running for President. Barack Obama is.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okwu0vm0UwM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okwu0vm0UwM&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m6CD33_s7s&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjhNi-37upY&feature=related

vote in the poll here
http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=546708&highlight=#546708

:D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0teLVZvsUs

[El Nino]

*accidental post

[natina]

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=545946&highlight=#545946

[El Nino]

There are far more people running for President than McCain and Obama.
There's Gene Amondson for the Prohibition Party, Chuck Baldwin for the Constitution Party, Bob Barr for the Libertarians, Roger Calero for the Socialist Workers, Charles Jay for the Boston Tea Party, Alan Keyes as an Independent, Gloria La Riva for: Socialism & Liberation, Cynthia McKinney for the GREENS, Brian Moore for the Socialist Party, Ralph Nader, of course, as an Independent, Thomas Stevens of the Objectivist Party, and Ted Weill of the Reform Party.


Good point Ben. It seems that everybody is sucked into this two-party paradigm (by design of course). The respective differences between the two, is negligible. The means by which the military-industrial-complex continues is blitzkrieg on world populations. Don't settle for the appointed establishment hacks. Speak up!

[Ben]

Economic and political power is, of course, very concentrated in America.
But part of capitalism and the free market that Obama, McCain, Bush and Bill Clinton spout about is: competition. So, let's have some competition in the presidential election.
Invite Bob Barr, Ralph Nader and Cynthia McKinney to the presidential debates.
But the Dems and Republicans, as a duopoly, don't want competition. They're terrified of it.

[Harrys Boy]

The way the polls look to me right now it says to me that Obama will win comfortably, but something inside me wonders when American voters are in the privacy of a voting booth will they still go for Obama? I just have a suspicion that in this election poll results may not have the accuracy that they usually have.

[natina]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0teLVZvsUs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbmKHTmkPaM&NR=1



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbmKHTmkPaM&NR=1


Sean Hannity gets put in his place by Obama Communications Director Robert Gibbs on the terrorist connections issue. A fan of Countdown, John Cleese of Monty Python fame sent the show a poem about Hannity to be read aloud by Keith.

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/22/AyersSmear




And why.

I am going to vote for McCain simply because I don't trust Obama. I don't believe that he is going to lower taxes for 95% of Americans. His associations with Ayers, Wright and Rezko shows he has poor judgement in character. He is extremely liberal and is pro-choice. All in all, I don't really trust him. I don't think McCain is the right candidate for the job either but this election is basically to see who is the smartest kid with Down Syndrome. I am voting for McCain, but I think that Obama is going to win.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0teLVZvsUs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbmKHTmkPaM&NR=1



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbmKHTmkPaM&NR=1


Sean Hannity gets put in his place by Obama Communications Director Robert Gibbs on the terrorist connections issue. A fan of Countdown, John Cleese of Monty Python fame sent the show a poem about Hannity to be read aloud by Keith.

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/22/AyersSmear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0teLVZvsUs

[hippifried]

There are far more people running for President than McCain and Obama.
There's Gene Amondson for the Prohibition Party, Chuck Baldwin for the Constitution Party, Bob Barr for the Libertarians, Roger Calero for the Socialist Workers, Charles Jay for the Boston Tea Party, Alan Keyes as an Independent, Gloria La Riva for: Socialism & Liberation, Cynthia McKinney for the GREENS, Brian Moore for the Socialist Party, Ralph Nader, of course, as an Independent, Thomas Stevens of the Objectivist Party, and Ted Weill of the Reform Party.You forgot this one.
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/06ae3d8563

[ottorocket]

Voting for a third party reluctantly because Obama is far to socialist, and I can't trust his past or level of experience with POTUS. He's just an empty suit IMO and Mccain is only slightly lesser of the two.

[goldensamba]

Voting for a third party reluctantly because Obama is far to socialist, and I can't trust his past or level of experience with POTUS. He's just an empty suit IMO and Mccain is only slightly lesser of the two.

this socialist notion is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard. You mean because he wants to provid health care like every other civilized country on the planet? Because nothing else about his views are even remotely socialist.

[Justawannabe]

sad that folks do the third party thing in a winner take all election. Might as well not vote, either way you help the guy most different from you get elected.

Sean

[wombat33]

IS RALPH NADER RUNNING?


I WOULD VOTE FOR HIM.

OBAMA LOOKS BETTER............SURELY WON THE DEBATES..........but we will see his real self when he is elected.

All politicians are full of it. However I am happy to see we are in a country where boundaries are breakable. Hopefully this will lead to women presidents, presidents not born here, and most importantly.........TS PRESIDENTS!!!!!!!

YASMINE LEE HAS MY VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[goldensamba]

IS RALPH NADER RUNNING?


I WOULD VOTE FOR HIM.

OBAMA LOOKS BETTER............SURELY WON THE DEBATES..........but we will see his real self when he is elected.

All politicians are full of it. However I am happy to see we are in a country where boundaries are breakable. Hopefully this will lead to women presidents, presidents not born here, and most importantly.........TS PRESIDENTS!!!!!!!

YASMINE LEE HAS MY VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree with everything you said here except for people not born here. I think that's one rule we need to keep.