Max Hardcore Sentenced to 46 months in prison.

[GroobySteven]

Max Hardcore Sentenced to 46 Months in Minimum Security Prison

By: Mark Kernes

Posted: 10/03/2008

TAMPA - Director Paul Little, aka Max Hardcore, was sentenced today to 46 months in a minimum security prison on charges of distributing obscene videos through the mail and the Internet.

Little was fined $7,500 and his company Max World Entertainment was fined $75,000. The director was charged with 10 counts in all, plus another 10 counts for his company.


Judge Susan G. Bucklew gave Little the minimum fines allowable by law. The recommended range for the fines was between $1.2 and $2.4 million.

Attorney Jeffrey Douglas plans to appeal the sentence in the 11th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals.

Little has been advised to make no statements to the press.

Check back shortly for more details.

[Mac_Hine]

jesus christ

[GroobySteven]

jesus christ

Nah they only crucified them.

[Mac_Hine]

hahahaha

lobbed that one right up there for you :p

[Wino the SuperHero]

Damn. Child molesters get less time than that.

[tommymageeshemales2]

Take it easy and please don't storm in with "Tom you're such an ignorant dick", but isn't this a good thing?

[joey1980]

xxxxxx

[tommymageeshemales2]

He brutalised and performed ghastly acts on very young women. And, as far as I am aware, many of his productions solicited a corner of the porn market for extreme deviants and the horribly depraved.

I can only speak for myself, but I think a guy who gagged, choked and pissed on girls, who supposedly had just turned 18, should be put down.

[L.I.T-Girllover]

you mean a man who , gagged , choked and pissed on 18 yr old women with their consent ,should go to jail.....................your kidding right,we have this piece of paper in this country , that is supposed to mean something , its called the Constitution .....you should read it someday

[lisaparadise]

Take it easy and please don't storm in with "Tom you're such an ignorant dick", but isn't this a good thing?Tom you're such an ignorant dick, lol im sorry but i had to do it lol

[tommymageeshemales2]

Take it easy and please don't storm in with "Tom you're such an ignorant dick", but isn't this a good thing?Tom you're such an ignorant dick, lol im sorry but i had to do it lol

Why, thank you :D

[El Nino]

To each their own

[Solitary Brother]

Max Hardcore Sentenced to 46 Months in Minimum Security Prison

By: Mark Kernes

Posted: 10/03/2008

TAMPA - Director Paul Little, aka Max Hardcore, was sentenced today to 46 months in a minimum security prison on charges of distributing obscene videos through the mail and the Internet.

Little was fined $7,500 and his company Max World Entertainment was fined $75,000. The director was charged with 10 counts in all, plus another 10 counts for his company.


Judge Susan G. Bucklew gave Little the minimum fines allowable by law. The recommended range for the fines was between $1.2 and $2.4 million.

Attorney Jeffrey Douglas plans to appeal the sentence in the 11th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals.

Little has been advised to make no statements to the press.

Check back shortly for more details.

I am quite sure "Paul Little" ISNT his birth name.........

[Legend]

i can only speak for myself, but I think a guy who gagged, choked and pissed on girls, who supposedly had just turned 18, should be put down.

I fully agree with you people like that scumbag and many other people in the pornography industry should be held accountable for shit like that waste of space was doing.Honestly though people in the porn industry don't care about ethics or anything like that as long as their product sales.People in the porn industry lack morals of any kind.

[tsntx]

He brutalised and performed ghastly acts on very young women. And, as far as I am aware, many of his productions solicited a corner of the porn market for extreme deviants and the horribly depraved.

I can only speak for myself, but I think a guy who gagged, choked and pissed on girls, who supposedly had just turned 18, should be put down.

well if they signed up for it and the contract is legit... it was their choice

we dont have to like it... and im sure plenty of ppl think YOURE a deviant and and a low life perv but theres no reason to be punished for it

fact is ... any of the performers on there signed up for it so that shouldnt be a factor

[Lover]

It would be hard to reach a meaningful conclusion about this case without having a clear understanding of the laws that he was convicted of breaking and also viewing the particular scenes in the specific videos that were entered into evidence.

[SarahG]

I am actually surprised how many people here- of all places- who don't seem to give a shit about this case.

Aimed at those people specifically: Are you just fucking insane, or do you really want states determining what sex acts should be banned from adult entertainment, clubs, and living rooms?

Do you have any idea what the implications are from this?

The way obscenity laws work, is some old ultra conservative white DA with a decaying stick up his ass decides he needs to "crack down on smut" to look good come re-election, so he goes and grabs a bunch of people, has them charged for breaking obscenity laws... and then takes them to court.

In court they go before a judge, who more often than not will be just as socially conservative, and then they go and find a bunch of idiots who are either too dumb to get out of jury duty, or have nothing to do with their free time, and then the DA already described will go and show selected clips from whatever it is the case is based on, hoping it will shock, horrify or sicken enough of the jury to get a conviction.

In the jury room, a bunch of retired grandparents, soccer moms, and people living off of disability will then deliberate on the case, thinking about whether they'd want their kids, grandkids, etc finding & seeing the scenes shown in the trial. The jury will then decide it is obscenity, and the scenes related to the case will be illegal in that state... causing their sale and shipment to be separate crimes related to passing/peddling obscenity (this is why Little is facing more than one crime here).

If the DA is "doing his job" he'd have picked such a prudish, socially conservative set of pricks that they'll think the FCC isn't being tough enough on broadcast television shows, leaving no chance at all for anything even remotely unmainstream (use your imagination here to define what type of scenes they'd be opposed to).

There was nothing unethical here, these were all consenting adults performing pre-determined acts outlined in a contract. The consumers buying or paying to see said acts know what they're buying, they want it- that's why they're paying for it.

How about this as an idea: if its not the type of porn you're into, JUST DON'T FUCKING BUY IT. There's nothing requiring you to buy it, watch it, or download it- just leave it alone.


This, if it succeeds, opens the door for all kinds of problems.

Should your ISP be liable if it fails to block 2girls1cup? What about stuff that used to be illegal in these states, like sodomy?

What if a company selling this stuff has a consumer, living in a state like FL, who then buys it- should the operators of that company then go to jail because you sold some material to a consenting adult in a backwards state that didn't even know how to vote in an election with a DA or AG who thinks _whatever_act_it_is is "smut"?

What if a book store in FL gets a shipment intended for another store a state away, and they put the items on their shelves, sell them to consenting adults... and the state porn police find out. Should the min wage clerks get thrown in jail? Fined?

This isn't kittie porn here- there's no reason for this to happen.

[Solitary Brother]

I fully agree with you people like that scumbag and many other people in the pornography industry should be held accountable for shit like that waste of space was doing. Honestly though people in the porn industry don't care about ethics or anything like that as long as their product sales.People in the porn industry lack morals of any kind.

Legend, he should be "held accountable" for exactly what? Please explain you rationale.


I am quite sure "Paul Little" ISNT his birth name.........

So what's your point? His LEGAL name is Paul Little, that is all that matters. :roll:

I dont feel like getting BANNED tonight so I wont get into it.

[transmaven]

This is an outrage. His stuff is laughably mild dom/sub nonsense. This man is going to do time in jail, lose all his money, and for what?

Millions of people enjoyed his harmless antics and his over-the-top persona.

This is an evil decision. Porn people take serious note.

[moose146]

Im just a stupid australian, but i thought america was the land of the free, personally i wouldnt watch that shit , but whatever floats your boat

[stimpy17]

And now he'll know what it's like to be the fuckee. Scum.

[brickcitybrother]

This is not good. Obscenity laws often are so vague as to allow an impermissibly large group to fall into them. The fact that his charges are not Mann Act charges or straight prostitution or use of minors or even tax evasion says alot about the prosecution.

As stated before:

This is not good.


If we cannot engage in lawful conduct - that other may not like - we will always be subject to unfair prejudice and persecution.

If you do not think this is true - then allow the Admins of the site to get and send your names to your local authorities along with the worst that's on this site. If the thought of that bothers you than realize - THIS IS BAD.

[tommymageeshemales2]

He brutalised and performed ghastly acts on very young women. And, as far as I am aware, many of his productions solicited a corner of the porn market for extreme deviants and the horribly depraved.

I can only speak for myself, but I think a guy who gagged, choked and pissed on girls, who supposedly had just turned 18, should be put down.

well if they signed up for it and the contract is legit... it was their choice

we dont have to like it... and im sure plenty of ppl think YOURE a deviant and and a low life perv but theres no reason to be punished for it

fact is ... any of the performers on there signed up for it so that shouldnt be a factor

Fair enough point, IF complete degradation was indeed what the girls signed up for.

I've never been in a situation where I've signed a contract to shoot porn (the directors i went to see said they don't work with deviants - that was punishing!) but it would be a real surprise to know that each and every girl is briefed in accurate detail (even in pre-school terms given that some of them are morons) about what they would be doing in their scene.

Can't find the link, but there was a thread on here about Khloe Hart being bitten, scratched and bruised shooting some vid in which she wasn't expecting such bad treatment. I think it shook her up bad, and it raises the question about who should be held accountable for when "what actually goes down" diverges greatly from "what you sign up for".

[SXFX]

Don't we have this thing....i don't know what's it called...jesus h bush wipes his ass with it.....oh yeah the bill of rights to protect people?
I tell ya conservatives need to be rounded up and shot in mass! Or hunted like wile animals via helecopter gun ships!

[iloveall]

the are doing it with smokers
can't smoke in public places now tha's crap
and i don't smoke

[hippifried]

I've never been in a situation where I've signed a contract to shoot porn (the directors i went to see said they don't work with deviants - that was punishing!) but it would be a real surprise to know that each and every girl is briefed in accurate detail (even in pre-school terms given that some of them are morons) about what they would be doing in their scene.
What "briefed"? All they need is to have seen any of the previous videos. Max Hardcore's been around for a couple of decades.

This conviction was for selling porn over the internet. This is a test case. It'll be hard to make it stick.

[happyjack]

Take it easy and please don't storm in with "Tom you're such an ignorant dick", but isn't this a good thing?Tom you're such an ignorant dick, lol im sorry but i had to do it lol

WOW Lisa,I love that avatar,you look so luscious, and doable like that

[tommymageeshemales2]

Braveman, I do realise that. And I understand the fears, and the threats that a conviction of this nature poses to the industry. In short, I'm not sad to see the guy in question go down.

[NYBURBS]

Look whether he is a likable guy or not should have absolutely nothing to do with this. At the end of the day this comes down to a weak reasoning by "moral purists" on why the First Amendment does not cover certain things. For those that do not know:

There are generally 3 exceptions the Supreme Court has come up with that do not receive Free Speech protections. 1) Obscene material 2) Child Pornography 3) Fighting Words (there is also a national security exception but I'm not going there right now).

I think we can all agree that the child porn is understandable as it relates to conduct with someone that is not old enough to consent to that kind of conduct. Fighting words is a bit more sketchy and is also where this whole "Shouting fire in a crowded movie theater" originates from. Obscenity though is merely thought as immoral content that has no artistic value.

The exact test is this:

(a)Whether the average person, applying contemporary adult community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest (i.e., an erotic, lascivious, abnormal, unhealthy, degrading, shameful, or morbid interest in nudity, sex, or excretion); and

(b)Whether the average person, applying contemporary adult community standards, would find that the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct (i.e., ultimate sexual acts, normal or perverted, actual or simulated, masturbation, excretory functions, lewd exhibition of the genitals, or sado-masochistic sexual abuse); and

(c)Whether a reasonable person would find that the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

Personally the whole notion scares the shit out of me, but anyway hopefully this clears it up for some people.

[SarahG]

Great post NYB. I bet that a very large percentage of local American communities would find the images, movies, dvds, postings, and advetrisements, posted on HA to be "obscene."

Which was the point I was trying to make earlier.

It really is a nobrainer to get an obscenity conviction, all a DA has to do is find a bunch of easily disgusted Americans... and judging by the FCC complaints after a recent Superbowl involving Jackson, I dare say that isn't hard to find such prudes to stack a jury with.

The DA then hopes that the shock value of "omg did that guy just stick a penis in... SOMEONE'S ASS HOLE!?" would be enough to trump free speech concerns.

There have been states where sodomy, sex toys, and even tattoos have been illegal (AFAIK there is still one state, and i bet you all can figure out where it is, that still has tats illegal).

The American people are eager to destroy civil liberties as soon as children are brought into the debate, that's why people are complicit in eroding double jeopardy protections for sex offenders. Anything unmainstream is going to be subject to this nonsense, because all DAs have to do is get a bunch of prudish soccer moms to sit threw porn genres they'd never have watched in their lives, setting them up for the question of "what if your children found this stuff?"

You can replace "stuff" with almost any genre and find a sympathetic jury- now what if the jury picked actually believes that someone can "become gay" from exposer to "alternative lifestyles"... it would not be purely academic to wonder how hard it would be for trans porn, even if it isn't hard core, to be targeted.

This is NIMBY adapted to an online, digital world. We are all well aware what happens to clubs when suburban sprawl or urban renewal sets up shop next to "go-go bars" that have been in operation for thirty years or more without incidents. With online, the NIMBY is not so much "what's next door" but "what's in your living room" and that is a question that politicians have been feeding parents for years, hoping that it would help come election time. I've watched the Senate committees on video games (yes, some years there have been such things but I might have the name wrong). As of 2005 they were still complaining about titles like Doom2 that had been around for well over a decade. This is not a separate movement, and if developers can be blamed for unrealistic, poorly done sex scenes added BY END USERS THEMSELVES in titles like GTA, then what chance is there for the people who are *really* making adult products for consenting adults?

The reason why the internet was brought into this case, was not by chance. These states know that they need to adapt in a world where the supreme court has established that laws against say, sodomy, are unconstitutional. By bringing the internet in the equation, the state hopes to acquire the power of censorship even online, forcing isp's to block smut- even when their customers demand it.

I would even go so far as to say this is a bipartisan effort, Lieberman, Hillary Clinton have been in favor of video game regulation, the right have been in favor of porn regulation- the internet is where they have a common agenda, and a common target.

The Turner Thesis, even with all its faults, is correct about one thing: federal regulation rarely succeeds until after the local & state communities have desensitized the public to the act for years. You're not going to be seeing the feds come out and say "the following sex acts are considered obscene and are not legal in the United States"

But if these cases continue to succeed, you will be seeing "the following states define the following acts as obscene and there fore the possession, production, sale, and ownership of the following content as a felony, if not a sex crime" with all the ramifications of that (like losing voting rights, gun ownership rights, and if its a sex crime- being stigmatized as if you're no different from a guy who brutalizes 3 year old boys- not to mention being thrown in jail).

[hondarobot]

Heh! That clown didn't commit any crime at all by any rational standards, but . . . too bad for him. From what I know of the guy, he was probably beaten up one time too many in school, and never had a date, which would lead to his interest in his somewhat odd niche in porn. He was living out a "Porn Payback" career.

It would be amusing if he ended up cell mates with OJ.

"Who's the bitch now, Max?"

:lol:

[SarahG]

Heh! That clown didn't commit any crime at all by any rational standards, but . . . too bad for him. From what I know of the guy, he was probably beaten up one time too many in school, and never had a date, which would lead to his interest in his somewhat odd niche in porn. He was living out a "Porn Payback" career.

It would be amusing if he ended up cell mates with OJ.

"Who's the bitch now, Max?"

:lol:

It is deplorable how many people in even our society, openly endorse the practice of rape whenever the victims are unsympathetic.

[hondarobot]

Who said anything about rape? OJ could "bitch" Max just by making him sweep their cell and fluffing the pillows every day.

:shrug

[Bob's Tgirls]

This is another reminder of why I don't want Republicans running he executive branch of the US government any more.

This was part of the Bush/Ashcroft crusade.

[NYBURBS]

Great post NYB. I bet that a very large percentage of local American communities would find the images, movies, dvds, postings, and advetrisements, posted on HA to be "obscene."

Yea I would say that pretty much anything on this site would be grounds for a prosecution/conviction depending upon which state they brought the charges in. Really this is an attack on anything sexual, and the less mainstream it is the more at risk it is for prosecution. SarahG had an excellent post dealing with this.

*EDIT* For anyone interested in some more information on censorship you can take a look at this site: http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/banned-books.html

[hondarobot]

I think this is the last gasp of the Republican "Anti-Porn" agenda, they just had to get this one off the books at this point. Given the circumstances, I think the adult entertainment industry is the last thing anyone will be worried about come election time. Max Hardcore going down won't help the Right wing nuts, it's already dropped below radar.

Hopefully the absurdity of this will also send a message to Democrats to keep the nonsense "morality of opportunity" away from music, video games, and other forms of entertainment/expression. Democrats do show more restraint then Republicans, but they have some bad moments.

Oh, and Braveman, that's not a distraction. I've seen it before.

[SarahG]

I think this is the last gasp of the Republican "Anti-Porn" agenda, they just had to get this one off the books at this point. Given the circumstances, I think the adult entertainment industry is the last thing anyone will be worried about come election time. Max Hardcore going down won't help the Right wing nuts, it's already dropped below radar.

Hopefully the absurdity of this will also send a message to Democrats to keep the nonsense "morality of opportunity" away from music, video games, and other forms of entertainment/expression. Democrats do show more restraint then Republicans, but they have some bad moments.

Oh, and Braveman, that's not a distraction. I've seen it before.

I disagree, I think the decision to pick Palin was INTENDED to show their extremist, fundamentalist support base that this ticket was a "family values ticket"

And by that I certainly mean the war on sex, war on lgbt rights, and war on reproductive rights.

Fuck, it's not like the reason for picking her was experience or qualifications... because she has neither. Even little Laura Bush has publicly stated that Palin has no experience. The decision for picking her has to lie elsewhere.

[hondarobot]

Just regarding adult entertainment, there's nothing anyone can do large scale to damage the industry, so I wouldn't worry about that. The very first figure scratched on a cave wall was probably a prehistoric female "stick figure" with huge tits.

The main impetus of researching new technology: The military.

The main consumer application of new technology: Porn.

That's an over simplification, but think about the internet:

Military Guy: "We need a nationwide network to enable command to communicate in the advent of nuclear war!"

Geek: "Sure, I'm on it. We also need to ramp up past 28k. I've been waiting three days just to download Chasey Lain's nipples. I get screen of death before I can even load the pic past her eyebrows!"

[transmaven]

Something overlooked: *many* of the girls in MH's productions were repeat performers, even over many years. "Rape?"

Hardly.

[SarahG]

Something overlooked: *many* of the girls in MH's productions were repeat performers, even over many years. "Rape?"

Hardly.

And yet he's gotta sit in jail for almost 4 years?

This is insanity.

[IsuckTgirlCock]

He brutalised and performed ghastly acts on very young women. And, as far as I am aware, many of his productions solicited a corner of the porn market for extreme deviants and the horribly depraved.

I can only speak for myself, but I think a guy who gagged, choked and pissed on girls, who supposedly had just turned 18, should be put down.


he's hardcore. he picks up street walkers and piss's on them, then cums on them. lol. it was amusing lmao. let him go !

[MrF]

While I think it's important to uphold Freedom of Speech, there are limits to it. For example, it is illegal to run into a movie theater and make a false alarm by crying "Fire !". Likewise with porn, it is allowable to depict certain kinds of S&M but there are limits, e.g. you cannot show true torture, as far as I know. My question is: what defines the limits ? It cannot be just the free market. (From what I know about Max Hardcore, I don't think he crossed the limit but he was pretty close to it.)

I personally find offensive and disgusting any kind of porn that depicts violence towards or abuse of women, so I would not buy or rent it. I cannot even understand what it has to do with sex. Probably it has more to do with a deep frustration or a need for power over women.

[SarahG]

While I think it's important to uphold Freedom of Speech, there are limits to it. For example, it is illegal to run into a movie theater and make a false alarm by crying "Fire !". Likewise with porn, it is allowable to depict certain kinds of S&M but there are limits, e.g. you cannot show true torture, as far as I know. My question is: what defines the limits ? It cannot be just the free market. (From what I know about Max Hardcore, I don't think he crossed the limit but he was pretty close to it.)

I personally find offensive and disgusting any kind of porn that depicts violence towards or abuse of women, so I would not buy or rent it. I cannot even understand what it has to do with sex. Probably it has more to do with a deep frustration or a need for power over women.

There is no standards of defining obscenity, all it is, is sadly, what juries will say it is- which means in practice just about anything & everything.

Watergames & scat are obscene to most juries, and that's probably what did Little in.

[xgraffx]

i can only speak for myself, but I think a guy who gagged, choked and pissed on girls, who supposedly had just turned 18, should be put down.

I fully agree with you people like that scumbag and many other people in the pornography industry should be held accountable for shit like that waste of space was doing.Honestly though people in the porn industry don't care about ethics or anything like that as long as their product sales.People in the porn industry lack morals of any kind.


Its incredibly hypocritical of anyone with a membership to a site that essentially glorifies men pretending to be women that are having sex with men as the height of sexuality to make a statement like this.

So Max Hardcore liked choking girls and peeing on them...big deal. You like girls with dicks. Whats the difference when you REALLY get down to it?


I choke my girlfriend on a damn near weekly basis...does that mean I'm a deviant? Oh wait I jerk off to pictures of trannies...yep I am.

Stupid post from a silly person. Yeah, I'm a lurker, but a comment like this just makes me shake my head.

[qeuqheeg222]

this wasnt about the content so mauch as the sales via the internet..they are tryin to figure a way to tax more shit from the internet........easy pickin prono producer/directors might help to set the legal precedents that further republican administrations could follow....

[xgraffx]

Oh, and while I'd at it why don't you go ahead and crucify porn stars like Gauge and Ashley Blue for portraying the gang fucking, sodimization, and brutalization of "lolitas"? I mean FFS, the REASON that some porn stars are marketable is because they look young. Alot of the Max Hardcore vid's have women that are OBVIOUSLY over the age of 30 dressed up in schoolgirl outfits and taking a dick up their ass. Thats the SAME ideal that freaking WAL MART uses to sell adult sized "kids" costumes of Snow White.


It boggles my mind that of ALL the sites on the internet, I find a comment like this on HA.

[Legend]

I choke my girlfriend on a damn near weekly basis...does that mean I'm a deviant?


It's make you a piece of s*** who was probably molested and abused by his drunken stepdad and to make you feel like a tough guy now you choke women when everyone knows your a 40 year old loser with the courage of a five year old.I don't care how many women you and guys like max hardcore abuse you will always be cowards.

[qeuqheeg222]

sales over a intranets not content so much...choking,pissing,ass fuckin aside............legal precedent........for future taxation and regulation you kooks.........

[transmaven]

It is moral idiocy to confuse the campy roleplay of Max's movies with real-life abuse of women.

That why they call it a *movie.* As in: don't be afraid, it's only a movie. That's understood, right?

And if stats on porn rentals hold for MH's stuff -- and I'd bet they do -- more women than men rent these films. Because *lots* of women are very excited by the acts depicted with such goofy charm by Max. And it goes even further sometimes -- in the *real world.*

How shocking!

[MrF]

Issues of morality are fascinating. Moral proscription is society's way of informing the rest of us what is acceptable behaviour, the goal being to reduce the chance of harm, both physical and psychological harm. Morality is a kind of empiricallly arrived at set of rules that seem to work for promoting the greater good; however, it is not a perfect process because it can be misused to curtail freedom.

Therefore, why shouldn't juries be allowed to decide what is obscene ? How else should we do it ? Or should nothing be deemed obscene ?

I understand that people have dark fantasies and that there is a difference between fantasy and reality, and those with a strong enough mind would never act on their dark fantasies to the point of harming another person. However, some weak-minded people are more prone to acting on their favorite dark-fantasy art form than others, and perhaps need the strong moral condemnation (or illegality) of this material to be informed that it is wrong. That would be the rationale behind obscenity law.

Sorry, I don't know much about Max's "art", I only saw enough to realize I didn't like it. And, as I said before, I didn't think it crossed the line. I'm just explaining the rationale for letting society condemn it and make it illegal. As another example, should songs about killing cops be illegal ?

[Justawannabe]

No, such songs shouldn't be illegal.

Obscenity laws being based on fear of the weak minded is ridiculous. By that reasoning virtually anything can become obscene. You want to base community morals on that structure fine, but sending someone to jail over it is wrong.

We're supposedly free to have our own opinions, but what your saying here is that if I can get enough folks together to agree you should be in jail for what you do with other consenting adults you go to jail. That's not free, that's living in constant fear of the majority.

In most every other aspect of law, something so nebulous would be thrown out as too vague to allow anyone to reasonably know whether they are breaking the law before investing time, effort and image in it.

Obscenity laws are often not based on concerns for others safety. Look at the laws against public swearing, what are they protecting against?

Sean

[backspace]

Why did Khloe Hart let the shoot continue until the end if she didn't like the way she was being treated?

[Legend]

I don't care how many women you and guys like max hardcore abuse you will always be cowards.

Legend, you realize that the women in Max Hardcore's movies were paid actresses? Explain to us why he is a coward.

Physical abuse is physical abuse regardless if someone gets paid.Have you seen bumfights even though they got paid it was proven wrong in a legal courtroom.Do i really have to explain to you how abuse a cowardly act.

[NYBURBS]

I don't care how many women you and guys like max hardcore abuse you will always be cowards.

Legend, you realize that the women in Max Hardcore's movies were paid actresses? Explain to us why he is a coward.

Physical abuse is physical abuse regardless if someone gets paid.Have you seen bumfights even though they got paid it was proven wrong in a legal courtroom.Do i really have to explain to you how abuse a cowardly act.

If he actually assaulted the girls to where he caused physical injury then go after him for that. However, what took place here is a prosecution for an expression...NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS. If we remove his freedom today then tomorrow it will be someone else, and the day after that perhaps you or me.

I need not remind you that there are millions of people that think you're an immoral freak because of your sexual tastes. Not to mention the fact that you like comics/anime and video games, both potential areas of censorship in the eyes of the moral purists.

[MrF]

(oops, double post)

[MrF]

Sean,

Later on I realized my "fear of the weak minded" was ridiculous, sorry I had an illogical moment. I still think there should be some basis for community standards, but I'm not sure what the formula should be or how to enforce it.

Anyway, it is strange that in the USA we come down much harder on porn than violence. Some awfully violent stuff in movies, it makes me squeamish, but we don't hear about obscenity busts for that. And they should allow porn on TV after midnight IMHO..

[azntsfan]

It wouldn't be a stretch to assume that transsexual porn is by no means "normal" or "acceptable" in the minds of the ultra-conservative DA and judges involved in the Max Hardcore case.

so it's kinda odd to me that a forum of TS loving/lusting people would welcome/celebrate throwing MH under the bus.

I personally was never a fan of his stuff so I ignored it, I may have even found some of this stuff distasteful and toeing the lines. But to slap that kind of ruling on him is nothing more than political showboating.

[SarahG]

So Max Hardcore liked choking girls and peeing on them...big deal. You like girls with dicks. Whats the difference when you REALLY get down to it?

There are threads here about tgirls & watergames, which I'm sure a jury would find even less mainstream than some of Little's stuff.


this wasnt about the content so mauch as the sales via the internet..they are tryin to figure a way to tax more shit from the internet........easy pickin prono producer/directors might help to set the legal precedents that further republican administrations could follow....

Wrong, this was strictly a reach to try to gain censorship power over the internet. This has nothing to do with tax law, and one of his charges is for sending obscene material to the state in question... meaning hardcopies, not just online data.

[SarahG]

While I think it's important to uphold Freedom of Speech, there are limits to it. For example, it is illegal to run into a movie theater and make a false alarm by crying "Fire !".

I was talking to a long time friend of mine about this case last night, and we got on the topic of this "screaming fire in a theatre" example.

Does anyone here know where that phrase comes from?

Anyone?

I know history isn't taught in K-12 anymore, and when it is- it rarely focuses on American civil liberty violations, but the "screaming fire in a theatre example" comes from a famous American court case from 1919. The case centered around a man who was charged, convicted, and imprisoned for merely distributing fliers critical of American involvement in the Great War.

The case, if anyone wants to look it up- was Schenck v. United States and the quote comes from Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

One of Holmes' critics, as my friend reminded me- later commented on the case stating something to the effect of; it wasn't as if someone was screaming fire in a crowded theatre, but in actuality was standing on the sidewalk, on the other side of the street, handing out fliers talking about fire safety.

Get a clue, this is a blatant attack on free speech, a natural right THAT HAS NO PRACTICAL LIMITATIONS.

As to Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr., IIRC he later made a ruling in the same court years later effectively overturning the case from which this quote originates. This position was reaffirmed in the 60s with Brandenburg v. Ohio.

It is not only true ethically, but legally in our system, that "yelling fire in a crowded theatre" isn't a valid argument in limiting free speech.

History has not been kind to the Espionage Acts, and for a reason- they were long short term fixes for a problem that never even existed, and were used for blatantly violating the rights of hundreds of political activists who were then rounded up and thrown in jail simply for dissenting.

As to fighting words, fighting words are not a limitation on free speech. All fighting words do, is affirm people's right to react -to certain words in certain cases- with violence. You still have the right to say what triggers that violence, even if it means your impending beat-down. This defense also doesn't seem to get much use.

[hondarobot]

The question isn't if the guy deserves to go to prison. He doesn't, but if he loses on appeal, he's unfairly heading to a Federal slammer. I hope he wins the appeal for the sake of common sense, but I wouldn't mind if this guy is sent up the river because he sounds like a total clown.

There's a lot of people in this thread who think he's promoting rough sex with "very young" girls. Imagine what the general prison population thinks of him. Bahahah! Pack your shirt with newspapers, Max. Lifers are probably sharpening their toothbrush handles already.

I realize that's a terrible thing to speculate on, but I'm exercising my right to free speech.

P.S. I had lunch with Nina Hartley years ago, when Max was just getting started, and she explicitly stated that she strongly dislikes the guy too (at least at that time she did). A vote against Max Hardcore getting shanked is a vote against Nina Hartley!

:lol:

(why is this thread still going?)

[SarahG]

(why is this thread still going?)

It should get bumped at least once every day, for 46 months so people realize how long our system was willing to detain someone, simply because they found their sex shows distasteful.

[xgraffx]

I choke my girlfriend on a damn near weekly basis...does that mean I'm a deviant?


It's make you a piece of s*** who was probably molested and abused by his drunken stepdad and to make you feel like a tough guy now you choke women when everyone knows your a 40 year old loser with the courage of a five year old.I don't care how many women you and guys like max hardcore abuse you will always be cowards.


Do you think for one second that I don't have her consent? Did it ever occur to you that perhaps people ENJOY it? God knows I love to be choked....maybe you should look into the biological effect oxygen deprivation has on the body and correlate it to the intensity of an orgasm.

I think its amusing beyond words that you are posting on a TRANSEXUAL SITE and yet you want to call someone names due to their sexual proclivity.

There is nothing wrong at all with consenting S&M. Nothing wrong with a little bit of fantasy play. Thats ALL his video's were. FANTASY!!! If you can't grasp that, you should get off the internet.

[hondarobot]

So what you're saying is, you don't mind if someons goes to prison because of their personality? Scary, just scary.


The question isn't if the guy deserves to go to prison. He doesn't, but if he loses on appeal, he's unfairly heading to a Federal slammer. I hope he wins the appeal for the sake of common sense, but I wouldn't mind if this guy is sent up the river because he sounds like a total clown.

That's correct. I believe all people who's interpretation of entertainment differs from mine should be sent to prison and shanked.

:roll:

Actually, Braveman used the term "personality". Interesting. . .

[SarahG]

I choke my girlfriend on a damn near weekly basis...does that mean I'm a deviant?


It's make you a piece of s*** who was probably molested and abused by his drunken stepdad and to make you feel like a tough guy now you choke women when everyone knows your a 40 year old loser with the courage of a five year old.I don't care how many women you and guys like max hardcore abuse you will always be cowards.


Do you think for one second that I don't have her consent? Did it ever occur to you that perhaps people ENJOY it? God knows I love to be choked....maybe you should look into the biological effect oxygen deprivation has on the body and correlate it to the intensity of an orgasm.

I think its amusing beyond words that you are posting on a TRANSEXUAL SITE and yet you want to call someone names due to their sexual proclivity.

There is nothing wrong at all with consenting S&M. Nothing wrong with a little bit of fantasy play. Thats ALL his video's were. FANTASY!!! If you can't grasp that, you should get off the internet.

I have heard the argument made that airgames inspired BDSM as a fetish,

What happened were crowds showed up to watch public executions (they didn't have TV after all) and people quickly noticed that if it didn't go right (not instantaneous) then the guys would cum all over themselves when being hung. That is also, if you buy the anthropology argument, where the executioner-inspired black leather outfits in BDSM originated.

[xgraffx]

I choke my girlfriend on a damn near weekly basis...does that mean I'm a deviant?


It's make you a piece of s*** who was probably molested and abused by his drunken stepdad and to make you feel like a tough guy now you choke women when everyone knows your a 40 year old loser with the courage of a five year old.I don't care how many women you and guys like max hardcore abuse you will always be cowards.


Do you think for one second that I don't have her consent? Did it ever occur to you that perhaps people ENJOY it? God knows I love to be choked....maybe you should look into the biological effect oxygen deprivation has on the body and correlate it to the intensity of an orgasm.

I think its amusing beyond words that you are posting on a TRANSEXUAL SITE and yet you want to call someone names due to their sexual proclivity.

There is nothing wrong at all with consenting S&M. Nothing wrong with a little bit of fantasy play. Thats ALL his video's were. FANTASY!!! If you can't grasp that, you should get off the internet.

I have heard the argument made that airgames inspired BDSM as a fetish,

What happened were crowds showed up to watch public executions (they didn't have TV after all) and people quickly noticed that if it didn't go right (not instantaneous) then the guys would cum all over themselves when being hung. That is also, if you buy the anthropology argument, where the executioner-inspired black leather outfits in BDSM originated.

Makes sense, I haven't looked into the history of BDSM. My woman and I are into the leather/fetish dress scene out here, but we tend to stay out of the actual physical acts of organized/public bdsm....well except for Folsom Street Fair of course. :)

[transmaven]

pretty strange to find lunatic *prudes* on a TS porn site.

takes all sorts I guess.

anyone who wished jail/rape on this harmless entertainer deserves to taste the bars themselves.

and it's gonna be minimum security no matter what so no rape for Max you f'ing monsters.

[NYBURBS]

As to fighting words, fighting words are not a limitation on free speech. All fighting words do, is affirm people's right to react -to certain words in certain cases- with violence. You still have the right to say what triggers that violence, even if it means your impending beat-down. This defense also doesn't seem to get much use.

No not really. Fighting words come from Chaplinsky v New Hampshire and if you read the case I'm pretty sure you will see it was a limitation on what most would consider "free speech".

[SarahG]

As to fighting words, fighting words are not a limitation on free speech. All fighting words do, is affirm people's right to react -to certain words in certain cases- with violence. You still have the right to say what triggers that violence, even if it means your impending beat-down. This defense also doesn't seem to get much use.

No not really. Fighting words come from Chaplinsky v New Hampshire and if you read the case I'm pretty sure you will see it was a limitation on what most would consider "free speech".

Except generally the only times fighting words succeed as a defense, is when its involving law enforcement (like the case you site).

If some guy walking down the street gets called some personal insult, usually he cant succeed at claiming fighting words as a defense after he beats the other guy to a pulp.

Chaplinsky v New Hampshire was simply a bad ruling, and the police officer in question was claimed to be a fascist... in a time of war when we were fighting fascists (case was from what, 43?). Courts are notorious for allowing civil rights to be trampled upon in times of war.

At either case, we're side stepping that the "yelling fire" argument has no merit.

[reddragon1981_2002]

Max Hardcore movies have always made me a little uneasy. The bleeding heart liberal in me says that as long as everyone involved is a consenting adult then whatever, to each their own. But there is something about Max's films that always make me a little uneasy because it is a little hard to deny that they are not rape fantasies. Now hopefully Max is a sane individual (however, if you read the essay by David Foster Wallace entitled Big Red Sun, he kind of comes across as a psycho) and all the girls know what they are getting into, but it still makes me uneasy with guys watching this stuff and not being able to tell that this is just a fantasy. The arm chair psychologist in me thinks that the guys who like this sort of porn might have some issues with women and watch these fantasies to work out these issues. And I do think it is possible to like porn but not like the Gonzo style of Max Hardcore. I like it when it it looks like both parties are enjoying the sex and you have to admit that a lot of Max's films make it look like these girls are doing anything but enjoying themselves. However, like I said, as long as everyone was of age and consenting, then no way in hell should this guy be in Jail. If you could put guys in jail for being scum bags, then the prisons would be even more crowded.