Losing penis size due to HRT or Ochiectomy

[KiraHarden]

Girls have you been keeping track of any loses in size due to hrt or orchi?

I have lost close to 3 1/2 inches since orchi feb 05 as well as a cpl in thickness

How much loss can we expect? Is there a avg loss or just varies on dosage?

How small should I/we expect to shrink?

[Darkwing Duck]

you should keep us updated on any changes with ruler shots on shemaleinch. that would be hot. :wink:

[KiraHarden]

you should keep us updated on any changes with ruler shots on shemaleinch. that would be hot. :wink:

If my loss keeps up I'm gonna have an inch left. I use to a thick 8in

[SarahG]

Kira, aren't you eventually going for SRS anyway?

That's probably why she's worried, how much tissue they have to work with will determine whether they start cutting skin off of other areas after they start- like your stomach, thighs etc.

I would be more concerned about the "sack" getting smaller after an orchi, that plus the scar tissue is why most SRS surgeons will charge more for those who have had an orchi (its not a lot more, but its more).

[SarahG]

Thinking about the OP question some more:

How's HRT been for you? You get your levels checked regularly? What was your T levels like before the orchi?

Have your levels changed since the orchi?

Having an orchi shouldn't make a difference if your hrt dosages were high enough before hand. All an orchi does is get rid of the (main) source of T production, which is pretty much the same as having enough E & Tblockers in your system :shrug:

[KiraHarden]

Kira, aren't you eventually going for SRS anyway?

That's probably why she's worried, how much tissue they have to work with will determine whether they start cutting skin off of other areas after they start- like your stomach, thighs etc.

I would be more concerned about the "sack" getting smaller after an orchi, that plus the scar tissue is why most SRS surgeons will charge more for those who have had an orchi (its not a lot more, but its more).

Yes I will have srs. My scrotum appears the same. I'm also just amazed just at how much size I've lost.

[Mac_Hine]

are you still getting boners? try to get more boners.

[tgirlzoe]

I've lost some size due to HRT (4yrs) but I've always been small anyway. It doesn't bother me. If I decide to get an orchi, maybe that will make it shrink more, I don't know.

I still masturbate probably 3 times a week (assuming I'm not getting regular sex). This, of course, is a change from when I was 16 and doing it three times a day! My ex-boyfriend when I was 18/19 and I used to have sex that much, we were crazy horny kids.

It's the girls who really despise their penis and don't use it who lose size and have less to work with when they get SRS who have problems. Sad though.


EDIT: My ex-tgf had next to no penis at all, she'll need a graft. On the other hand, I had a couple threesomes with my ex-bf and his current girlfriend (we were working up to being a triad and then he dropped me) and she has a very large penis. It was 8" long and over 1.5" in diameter, I know because I grabbed the sewing tape and measured it! That's thicker than a silver dollar (the big Einsenhower ones, of course) and it was hard not to scrape my teeth on her cock and it made my jaw ache sucking on it. Still, we had a lot of fun. I don't remember how many years she had been on HRT at that point, but I'm sure it was at least 3 or 4.

I asked my ex if she lost so much size from going on hormones and not using her penis much (she really does rather despise it). She asked me what made me think that she ever had a bigger penis. She didn't lose size, she never had it to begin with.

People are different in a lot of ways. Again, though, maybe orchi is different than just long-term AA use.

[KiraHarden]

are you still getting boners? try to get more boners.

lol! Yeah I'm still gettin boners. Hey guys, I need some more boners. Can u help

[Justawannabe]

hhmm... having orchi should be somewhat different that being on androgen blockers, largely because T production rises and falls depending on circumstances. Great studies I read about ten years ago showed that T levels in men could drop to zero from losing a game of tennis or shoot to three or four times normal from winning... and the shift could stay that way for extended periods.

With out the the spikes there might no signals to maintain the size. Sadly I can't back that up right now, but it would be interesting to look into.

Sean

[ballbreaker]

lets see some before and after pictures

[SarahG]

hhmm... having orchi should be somewhat different that being on androgen blockers, largely because T production rises and falls depending on circumstances. Great studies I read about ten years ago showed that T levels in men could drop to zero from losing a game of tennis or shoot to three or four times normal from winning... and the shift could stay that way for extended periods.

With out the the spikes there might no signals to maintain the size. Sadly I can't back that up right now, but it would be interesting to look into.

Sean

Yea but that's a different situation, those studies are all talking about normal biological males- whereas with HRT the tblockers prevent any T that is in the system for working (provided the dosage is high enough).

That's why feminization from hrt is possible, the T is kept from working- allowing for the estrogen added to the system to do so.

Otherwise, if the T in the system kept spiking & working what would happen is people would continue to masculate no matter what unless they get an orchi, but this just isn't the way it works.

Most the girls in other countries who start early (as in pre-puberty) start using HRT, they usually don't get orchis for years later- yet they don't masculate at all because the system (for producing T) shuts down -from hrt alone-

This is also why, girls who take enough hrt to have their levels in the right places, will see their testes shrink with time.

But obviously if your levels aren't in the right ranges then hrt isn't going to be working fully, allowing for masculation to continue. Why would your levels not be right? Has to be either the dosage isnt high enough, or the body has somehow built up a tolerance to whatever meds you're taking.

There is evidence that the former happens with trans patients, how many girls are out there who saw a small breast growth spirt after switching what type of estrogen they're taking?

I kinda also have to think spiro isn't as effective as some of the other antiandrogens out there, Cyprotone Acetate for instance but afaik every anti-androgen on the market is merely a receptor blocker, so you're relying on your body noticing the E and stopping T production, HOWEVER- that as a tactic works, hence why antiandrogens are used to shut off T levels in certain male cancers (i.e. testes, prostate etc).

That's why I asked about pre-orchi hormone levels, that is the only thing I can imagine an orchi changing- the penis is merely a hydrolic system, it isn't much of a muscle (there are muscles involved but its a hydrolic system which is why viagra works). As long as its being used I have trouble seeing why it would shrink from a change in hormone levels. Usually the girls who end up "losing penis tissue from hrt" are losing it strictly because its not being used.

Some more to think about: I have heard some people speculate that postops are, by and large today- staying on higher hrt dosages after the surgery than used to be the case (10+ years ago most postops would after the surgery stop taking tblockers at all, and just take normal post menopausal GG dosages of estrogen). This has had an effect on appearances, because at the low older postop hrt regimens what was happening was the T levels were spiking the way you describe from time to time (testes aren't the only places T and DHT is produced BTW!) and as a result were leading to some masculation effects, whereas girls that continue to take some Tblockers (just not as much as a preop) along side sufficent E to keep their levels in the normal female range, don't have that "postop masculation effect"

[KiraHarden]

hhmm... having orchi should be somewhat different that being on androgen blockers, largely because T production rises and falls depending on circumstances. Great studies I read about ten years ago showed that T levels in men could drop to zero from losing a game of tennis or shoot to three or four times normal from winning... and the shift could stay that way for extended periods.

With out the the spikes there might no signals to maintain the size. Sadly I can't back that up right now, but it would be interesting to look into.

Sean

Yea but that's a different situation, those studies are all talking about normal biological males- whereas with HRT the tblockers prevent any T that is in the system for working (provided the dosage is high enough).

That's why feminization from hrt is possible, the T is kept from working- allowing for the estrogen added to the system to do so.

Otherwise, if the T in the system kept spiking & working what would happen is people would continue to masculate no matter what unless they get an orchi, but this just isn't the way it works.

Most the girls in other countries who start early (as in pre-puberty) start using HRT, they usually don't get orchis for years later- yet they don't masculate at all because the system (for producing T) shuts down -from hrt alone-

This is also why, girls who take enough hrt to have their levels in the right places, will see their testes shrink with time.

But obviously if your levels aren't in the right ranges then hrt isn't going to be working fully, allowing for masculation to continue. Why would your levels not be right? Has to be either the dosage isnt high enough, or the body has somehow built up a tolerance to whatever meds you're taking.

There is evidence that the former happens with trans patients, how many girls are out there who saw a small breast growth spirt after switching what type of estrogen they're taking?

I kinda also have to think spiro isn't as effective as some of the other antiandrogens out there, Cyprotone Acetate for instance but afaik every anti-androgen on the market is merely a receptor blocker, so you're relying on your body noticing the E and stopping T production, HOWEVER- that as a tactic works, hence why antiandrogens are used to shut off T levels in certain male cancers (i.e. testes, prostate etc).

That's why I asked about pre-orchi hormone levels, that is the only thing I can imagine an orchi changing- the penis is merely a hydrolic system, it isn't much of a muscle (there are muscles involved but its a hydrolic system which is why viagra works). As long as its being used I have trouble seeing why it would shrink from a change in hormone levels. Usually the girls who end up "losing penis tissue from hrt" are losing it strictly because its not being used.

Some more to think about: I have heard some people speculate that postops are, by and large today- staying on higher hrt dosages after the surgery than used to be the case (10+ years ago most postops would after the surgery stop taking tblockers at all, and just take normal post menopausal GG dosages of estrogen). This has had an effect on appearances, because at the low older postop hrt regimens what was happening was the T levels were spiking the way you describe from time to time (testes aren't the only places T and DHT is produced BTW!) and as a result were leading to some masculation effects, whereas girls that continue to take some Tblockers (just not as much as a preop) along side sufficent E to keep their levels in the normal female range, don't have that "postop masculation effect"

I wasn't really seeking advice on why I'm shrinking. I'm aware of all the reasons. I don't use my thing at all

The question is more to the girls is if they have noticed the loss of size as well

From the surgery perspective I don't want to lose size, other wise it could shrink to a nub and I wouldn't care.

[Alyssa87]

its been almost 2 years taking mones.
libido & sperm is less.

size is the same tho.

[KiraHarden]

hhmm... having orchi should be somewhat different that being on androgen blockers, largely because T production rises and falls depending on circumstances. Great studies I read about ten years ago showed that T levels in men could drop to zero from losing a game of tennis or shoot to three or four times normal from winning... and the shift could stay that way for extended periods.

With out the the spikes there might no signals to maintain the size. Sadly I can't back that up right now, but it would be interesting to look into.

Sean

Yea but that's a different situation, those studies are all talking about normal biological males- whereas with HRT the tblockers prevent any T that is in the system for working (provided the dosage is high enough).

That's why feminization from hrt is possible, the T is kept from working- allowing for the estrogen added to the system to do so.

Otherwise, if the T in the system kept spiking & working what would happen is people would continue to masculate no matter what unless they get an orchi, but this just isn't the way it works.

Most the girls in other countries who start early (as in pre-puberty) start using HRT, they usually don't get orchis for years later- yet they don't masculate at all because the system (for producing T) shuts down -from hrt alone-

This is also why, girls who take enough hrt to have their levels in the right places, will see their testes shrink with time.

But obviously if your levels aren't in the right ranges then hrt isn't going to be working fully, allowing for masculation to continue. Why would your levels not be right? Has to be either the dosage isnt high enough, or the body has somehow built up a tolerance to whatever meds you're taking.

There is evidence that the former happens with trans patients, how many girls are out there who saw a small breast growth spirt after switching what type of estrogen they're taking?

I kinda also have to think spiro isn't as effective as some of the other antiandrogens out there, Cyprotone Acetate for instance but afaik every anti-androgen on the market is merely a receptor blocker, so you're relying on your body noticing the E and stopping T production, HOWEVER- that as a tactic works, hence why antiandrogens are used to shut off T levels in certain male cancers (i.e. testes, prostate etc).

That's why I asked about pre-orchi hormone levels, that is the only thing I can imagine an orchi changing- the penis is merely a hydrolic system, it isn't much of a muscle (there are muscles involved but its a hydrolic system which is why viagra works). As long as its being used I have trouble seeing why it would shrink from a change in hormone levels. Usually the girls who end up "losing penis tissue from hrt" are losing it strictly because its not being used.

Some more to think about: I have heard some people speculate that postops are, by and large today- staying on higher hrt dosages after the surgery than used to be the case (10+ years ago most postops would after the surgery stop taking tblockers at all, and just take normal post menopausal GG dosages of estrogen). This has had an effect on appearances, because at the low older postop hrt regimens what was happening was the T levels were spiking the way you describe from time to time (testes aren't the only places T and DHT is produced BTW!) and as a result were leading to some masculation effects, whereas girls that continue to take some Tblockers (just not as much as a preop) along side sufficent E to keep their levels in the normal female range, don't have that "postop masculation effect"

I wasn't really seeking advice on why I'm shrinking. I'm aware of all the reasons. I don't use my thing at all

The question is more to the girls is if they have noticed the loss of size as well

From the surgery perspective I don't want to lose size, other wise it could shrink to a nub and I wouldn't care.

[Justawannabe]

Sorry to threadjack then Kira... I just had a couple of conversations with ladies I know about the subject a few years ago and one topic that had come up was the idea that T was not a constant level while their T-blockers were and that the spiking might have had some effects.

Sean

[KiraHarden]

Sorry to threadjack then Kira... I just had a couple of conversations with ladies I know about the subject a few years ago and one topic that had come up was the idea that T was not a constant level while their T-blockers were and that the spiking might have had some effects.

Sean

Don't worry about it. I just thought the thread was going in the direction I had intended

[tooinqusitive02]

THE MORE YOU LOOSE THE BETTER i think you would bee even hotter with out it i have no need for that any way all i need is your taught lil hole

[peggygee]

Sarah has made a lot of interesting points, which I will try to get back to.

But to answer Kira'a question;




How much loss can we expect? Is there a avg loss or just varies on dosage?

How small should I/we expect to shrink?

The short answer is, "your mileage may vary".

I don't think there's a hard and fast rule, pardon the pun, as to how much
you will lose.

When I had my orchi, I lost some length. Which was cool with me because
I didn't like my penis and didn't use it.

Fortunately for me I still had enough to work with when I had GRS, and I
have pretty adequate depth.

If you don't have much penile skin, then they can use some of your
scrotal tissue to graft,and give you more depth. As the scrotal tissue has
sensitivity, this works fairly well.

Other times, tissue is taken from the thigh or the stomach.

If the penis is is really small, then the sigmoid colon technique may be
used.

I'd suggest what my surgeon told me when he performed the orchi, and
knew that I planned GRS. He said that I should masturbate and stretch
my penis to prevent the penile tissue from atrophying.

Other than that, I would never have touched my penis, other than to wash
it.

[KiraHarden]

Sarah has made a lot of interesting points, which I will try to get back to.

But to answer Kira'a question;




How much loss can we expect? Is there a avg loss or just varies on dosage?

How small should I/we expect to shrink?

The short answer is, "your mileage may vary".

I don't think there's a hard and fast rule, pardon the pun, as to how much
you will lose.

When I had my orchi, I lost some length. Which was cool with me because
I didn't like my penis and didn't use it.

Fortunately for me I still had enough to work with when I had GRS, and I
have pretty adequate depth.

If you don't have much penile skin, then they can use some of your
scrotal tissue to graft,and give you more depth. As the scrotal tissue has
sensitivity, this works fairly well.

Other times, tissue is taken from the thigh or the stomach.

If the penis is is really small, then the sigmoid colon technique may be
used.

I'd suggest what my surgeon told me when he performed the orchi, and
knew that I planned GRS. He said that I should masturbate and stretch
my penis to prevent the penile tissue from atrophying.

Other than that, I would never have touched my penis, other than to wash
it.
thank you Peggy and Sarah

[phyrbug]

are you still getting boners? try to get more boners.

lol! Yeah I'm still gettin boners. Hey guys, I need some more boners. Can u help

i would like to volunteer to help you get boners.

[Paladin]

are you still getting boners? try to get more boners.

lol! Yeah I'm still gettin boners. Hey guys, I need some more boners. Can u help

ummmm,, yeah, but you're in the wrong state!

[tsmandy]

I'm a little less thick than I was before surgery, but I haven't lost much in length.

[Avers]

>I have lost close to 3 1/2 inches since orchi feb 05 as well as a cpl in thickness

You should make under foreskin of your penis 50/100 ml. 5-10% injections of Testosteron aenanthas (var. Testoenatum, Testosteron Depo, Testen, etc.) per week, with good massage (or moderate vacuum pumping) of penis. It will result the dramatic process of growth of your "equipment". Biologically for TS of any age it works better than gor men. But don't exagerate a lot. General course for PE treatment is about 1-6 months - till you get the size that you may want. Normally, the growth process stops in 1-4 weeks since the last injection. To support your biologial Testosteron level you can start taking the pills of Tribulus Terretris and L-tyrosine one month before injections and stop them in three months since the end of them. All mentioned components can be found in bodybuilders shops.

[katamari995]

For those living in the U.S., is it possible to buy injectable Testosterone-Enanthate? What are the laws?

[alizia]

I am actually a Tv but my objetive would be one day to become a shemale and have orchy+hormones but no SRS so.. just the same phase you are actually, having no ball and a almost usable penis.

Loving to be in that case my question is about your actual libido and orgasms, did you still have ones ?

Excuse me if my question is too personal :(

[KiraHarden]

I am actually a Tv but my objetive would be one day to become a shemale and have orchy+hormones but no SRS so.. just the same phase you are actually, having no ball and a almost usable penis.

Loving to be in that case my question is about your actual libido and orgasms, did you still have ones ?

Excuse me if my question is too personal :(

My libido has droped drastically. I still love and enjoy sex. I just don't walk around like a horndog any more and fuck everything that moves.

I still have orgasms but it a small clear liquid

I'm sure one of the other girls can explain better and more in depth

Go Brewers!

[BeardedOne]

Damn! :x

I cannot productively contribute to this thread. :shrug

[KiraHarden]

Damn! :x

I cannot productively. contribute to this thread. :shrug
Lol but you can drool a little over me

[SarahG]

For those living in the U.S., is it possible to buy injectable Testosterone-Enanthate? What are the laws?

You can get T, but its much harder to get.

How do you think the FtMs use hrt? ;P

Prolly be easier for a girl to get Viagra via a prescription, if I walked into my GP's office and asked for T of any kind, my dr would prolly look at me as if i just grew 5 heads. I think if you're not DIY, your dr's are gonna wonder why the hell you want T if you've been spending so much time & money getting rid of it.

T is more controlled as a substance than tblockers or E are, because T and similar compounds (steroids) are used by athletes, body builders etc. Every now and then some high school athlete goes and dies by abusing internet bought steroids, growth hormones, or T and it ends up briefly putting internet prescriptions under attack in the media.

[alizia]

I am actually a Tv but my objetive would be one day to become a shemale and have orchy+hormones but no SRS so.. just the same phase you are actually, having no ball and a almost usable penis.

Loving to be in that case my question is about your actual libido and orgasms, did you still have ones ?

Excuse me if my question is too personal :(

My libido has droped drastically. I still love and enjoy sex. I just don't walk around like a horndog any more and fuck everything that moves.

I still have orgasms but it a small clear liquid

I'm sure one of the other girls can explain better and more in depth

Go Brewers!

Thanks a lot for your answer Kira, I hope I can take the same path thann you, kisses :)

[lerath666]

... am I the only one who wishes kira would post pics to accompany her description?

[geekgirl]

I lost like an inch and a half in length, but strangely gained like 2 inches in girth!!! But only at the base... o_O I am the proud owner of a pyramid for genitals.

X_X

[dan_drade]

I don't really have any experience in this, but I did once date a girl that was on HRT and an orchi. She went from about 6" down to about 3". I never measured her with a ruler or anything, but thats just an guess from what I saw. I don't think she lost anything as far as girth went. That was about a year after the orchi and HRT. She was a little bummed about it, but I thought it was damn cute.

She is now post op and living as a woman fulltime and doing well. At least that is what she told me in an e-mail exchange about a month ago.

[KiraHarden]

... am I the only one who wishes kira would post pics to accompany her description?

There out there hun,

[Avers]

For TS and SM the penile injections of Testen or Testosterone Enanthat can make really miracle effects on penis growth because of biochemical and hormonal disfunctions of theirs bodies.

[ballbreaker]

lets see some before and after pictures ladies.

[LinzB79]

Girls have you been keeping track of any loses in size due to hrt or orchi?

I have lost close to 3 1/2 inches since orchi feb 05 as well as a cpl in thickness

How much loss can we expect? Is there a avg loss or just varies on dosage?

How small should I/we expect to shrink?

I had an orchiectomy almost 3 years ago. I went from about 6 1/2 to about 3.5 inches and that's only on rare occasions. This is about "par for the course" from my understanding.

Also, I've noticed that I've lost almost all attraction for females. I've always been more attracted to guys, but considered myself bi, though I never had a sexual encounter with a female. Now, I find myself only attracted to men.

[ballbreaker]

lets see some photos please

[youcancallmeclaire]

Hormones for six years, orchie for one year. I lost about an inch in length and some girth, although I didn't have that much to start with.

My libido is still there, although I am now much more in control of it.

Lately though I have not had the will to masturbate at all since my fiancee left me and I am still pretty depressed about it. :(

[drock]

you should keep us updated on any changes with ruler shots on shemaleinch. that would be hot. :wink:

If my loss keeps up I'm gonna have an inch left. I use to a thick 8in

Wow... :o :o :o

[voy4her]

Hormones for six years, orchie for one year. I lost about an inch in length and some girth, although I didn't have that much to start with.

My libido is still there, although I am now much more in control of it.

Lately though I have not had the will to masturbate at all since my fiancee left me and I am still pretty depressed about it. :(

if there's anything i can do to help, let me know. :(

[muhmuh]

the penis is merely a hydrolic system, it isn't much of a muscle (there are muscles involved but its a hydrolic system which is why viagra works). As long as its being used I have trouble seeing why it would shrink from a change in hormone levels. Usually the girls who end up "losing penis tissue from hrt" are losing it strictly because its not being used.

the difference is as long as your testosterone levels are within the normal range you will have 1 erection per rem cycle so about 6 each night and a couple more unprovoked ones during the day
all of those are there merely to keep the system working and will stop if your testosteron level or receptance drops

in other words with normal testosteron levels you dont have to actively use it