"I only like guys who don't like T-Girls"

[PSL4u]

Has anyone ever hearrd a TS girl say this? It baffles me......

[toolegitforu]

Its all a part of some deep seated psychological issues that some of these girls have. Along the lines of not really liking who they are. Some are a little more mentally grounded. But others are just lost.

[Legend]

Well many guys who are into transsexuals specifically want them because of there penis and guys who crave penis are gay,they do not want a gay guy it defeats the purpose of them being women.

[Azrial]

Well many guys who are into transsexuals specifically want them because of there penis and guys who crave penis are gay,they do not want a gay guy it defeats the purpose of them being women.

and there you have it folks, stay tuned as 'Legend' will solve all the other mysteries of the world with sweeping, assuming, and labeling sentences!

[Legend]

Well many guys who are into transsexuals specifically want them because of there penis and guys who crave penis are gay,they do not want a gay guy it defeats the purpose of them being women.

and there you have it folks, stay tuned as 'Legend' will solve all the other mysteries of the world with sweeping, assuming, and labeling sentences!


when i'm really drunk and/or horny i can imagine sucking a man's dick. sometimes seeing guy's cocks in porn turns me on. but when it comes down to it, it's really just the cock that i'm into on men... i really am not attracted to men in any form or fashion. given that, i don't THINK i would do it. but i wouldn't exactly be floored if i woke up one morning and realized that the night before i got really fucked up and took the walk of the gay side.

[IsuckTgirlCock]

Well many guys who are into transsexuals specifically want them because of there penis and guys who crave penis are gay,they do not want a gay guy it defeats the purpose of them being women.

and there you have it folks, stay tuned as 'Legend' will solve all the other mysteries of the world with sweeping, assuming, and labeling sentences!


Solved? He muddied the waters. I have no idea what the hell the donkey was trying to say. Guy likes tranny for their penis or the because the tranny wants his penis? So trannys are gay and they dont want gay guys? WTF??? Put him in a straight jacket

[yodajazz]

Has anyone ever hearrd a TS girl say this? It baffles me......

It’s been discussed on here a lot. Here’s my short version. The girls have run into a lot of players who go from one to the other. Many are convinced that men only want them for their cock. So they then consider these guys as gay, and themselves as straight. I have argued otherwise, until my skin actually turned blue. Many have said that if they go for the srs change their boyfriend will dump them. Many have said that if someone like them without knowing they were trans, that person likes them for the ‘real them’.

Let’s just say that their thoughts are not completely logical, but you cannot use logic to change what they feel. Of course not all think that way but far too many. They dislike someone for loving them as the way they are, and also live in fear of future abandonment.

[Legend]

Many times they are right just look at the amount of cock threads here and these guys are so cock driven that i actually think they would leave girl once she has had srs.Personally i wouldn't leave her if she had srs because i do not get a shit about cock and i'm sure you wouldn't but the ratio of guys who like transsexuals for their penis are freakin high compare to guys who do not give a shit about penis.

[mrbig]

[...]they do not want a gay guy it defeats the purpose of them being women.

not quite sure about that statement, legend; a lot of ts's are surrounding themselves and/or getting involved with these girlie- type guys, even very hot ones as pat araujo.

I already commented about that specific case: :twisted:

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=534564&highlight=#534564

mrbig

[Alyssa87]

i have a big crush on a man who is openly attracted to transwomen. he's great.
but he's not a cockhound or a 'trannychaser'.

its not all about sex and secrets with him.

but he's one in a million.

otherwise, if youre gonna hook up with a guy who wants to be 'discreet' about his dealings with you, he mightaswell be some hot straight jock :shrug

[IsuckTgirlCock]

Many times they are right just look at the amount of cock threads here and these guys are so cock driven that i actually think they would leave girl once she has had srs.Personally i wouldn't leave her if she had srs because i do not get a shit about cock and i'm sure you wouldn't but the ratio of guys who like transsexuals for their penis are freakin high compare to guys who do not give a shit about penis.


Why not just score a 'regular' girl then? Whats the attraction to a trans with her peepee lopped off? I mean, before you ever got to know her. Most of us like CHICKS WITH DICKS ! not CHICKS THAT HAD THEIR DICKS CUT OFF.........ELSE WE'D JUST STICK WITH REAL CHICKS . unless you want a post op just cuz you have to have anal sex with her if you want to penetrate. to each his own lol,.

[Legend]

Why not just score a 'regular' girl then?.


They are all regular girls to me.

[hwbs]

it means she is not feeling u but will go 4 a guy who does like trannies if ur hot enough...if u are around enough u figure out all of these questions...don't let it get u down u just gotta grind it out ...

[KiraHarden]

i have a big crush on a man who is openly attracted to transwomen. he's great.
but he's not a cockhound or a 'trannychaser'.

its not all about sex and secrets with him.

but he's one in a million.

otherwise, if youre gonna hook up with a guy who wants to be 'discrete' about his dealings with you, he mightaswell be some hot straight jock :shrug

I'm totally agree with you.

[JamesHunt]

Why not just score a 'regular' girl then?.


They are all regular girls to me.

Face the facts Legend. You're a faggot.

If you ever managed to even get near dating a transsexual, and she got srs, you'd be off like a shot. As I said. Face the facts.

3463 posts & counting............... :D

[SoCaliDude]

Yeah what kind of bullshit is that? i've heard gurls says "you're a faggot if you suck dick, i only like straight guys!" What is that about?

[Legend]

Why not just score a 'regular' girl then?.


They are all regular girls to me.

Face the facts Legend. You're a faggot.

If you ever managed to even get near dating a transsexual, and she got srs, you'd be off like a shot. As I said. Face the facts.

3463 posts & counting............... :D

Please do not loop me in with you tranny chasers,out of my 3463 wait 3464 post you will not find one post of me praising some pornstar or posting in some super gay cock thread so no i'm not in your legion of faggots league.

[JamesHunt]

Yeah what kind of bullshit is that? i've heard gurls says "you're a faggot if you suck dick, i only like straight guys!" What is that about?

It means that when you're sucking her dick, she feels kind of creepy about the situation.

[PSL4u]

Thank you for the responses.

Forgive me for being naive, but what else would a guy want with a T girl other than Cock and Ass? I don't consider myself gay because I am not attracted to men, maybe I am more Bi-Sexual, but if you are interested in a T-Girl, you are definately not straight.

So I just do not understand how TS Girls can make this type of statement. I mean men certainly are not interested in them because they look like a female....because then they would just date a female....right?

Is it just a rush to make a straight guy be intersted in you like some females think it is a rush to get a Gay guy be interested in them?

Or are some T girls out there just confused theemselves or in denial?

[SoCaliDude]

Then why ask us to do it? Women-I guess i just dont understand them. GGs or TS's

[JamesHunt]

I mean men certainly are not interested in them because they look like a female....

I agree. I prefer trannys to have hairy chests, broad shoulders & walk like an ape. Gives more of a buzz to the situation :lol:

[Legend]

Thank you for the responses.

Forgive me for being naive, but what else would a guy want with a T girl other than Cock and Ass? I don't consider myself gay because I am not attracted to men, maybe I am more Bi-Sexual, but if you are interested in a T-Girl, you are definately not straight.

So I just do not understand how TS Girls can make this type of statement. I mean men certainly are not interested in them because they look like a female....because then they would just date a female....right?

Is it just a rush to make a straight guy be intersted in you like some females think it is a rush to get a Gay guy be interested in them?

Or are some T girls out there just confused theemselves or in denial?


I think you are answered your own question,they do not want a guy to look at them as some side fetish which is want you are saying.

[tgirlzoe]

I have one guy that I talk to online who is, what might be termed, an "admirer". I've spoken to him on the phone but that's as close as I've been to any guy who is specifically into TS. Why should I have to track down guys who are in that whole trans community, when I avoid it altogether anyway? I just go after normal guys. Sure this makes my mother uncomfortable* but what else can I do? These are the only guys who are desirable.

My current boy is a friend-of-a-friend and my friend told him that I was TS before he even met me (much to my frustration). Of course, this led to a very strange mental image of me as someone I was very much not. He was surprised how attractive I was when he met me. It's a constant source of struggle and it may be our undoing but he's definitely worth it. He's the kind of man I'd marry.

Nothing associated with the "trans" culture is desirable, this includes clubs, friendships (though I have some online trans friends and some offline acquaintances), and admirers. The only thing that is desirable is normal society and life as a woman.

* I certainly didn't tell my mother about the coworker I was involved with briefly and even went down on, who never knew my status (and probably would have kicked my ass had I revealed it to him). >.<

[PSL4u]

So the guy you have been dating is straight and you told him that you are a TS Girl and he is still talking to you.....how does that not make him a guy who likes T girls? Quite frankly if he was truely straight and he found out your gender, he would have ran the opposite direction

[ARMANIXXX]

I have one guy that I talk to online who is, what might be termed, an "admirer". I've spoken to him on the phone but that's as close as I've been to any guy who is specifically into TS. Why should I have to track down guys who are in that whole trans community, when I avoid it altogether anyway? I just go after normal guys. Sure this makes my mother uncomfortable* but what else can I do? These are the only guys who are desirable.

My current boy is a friend-of-a-friend and my friend told him that I was TS before he even met me (much to my frustration). Of course, this led to a very strange mental image of me as someone I was very much not. He was surprised how attractive I was when he met me. It's a constant source of struggle and it may be our undoing but he's definitely worth it. He's the kind of man I'd marry.

Nothing associated with the "trans" culture is desirable, this includes clubs, friendships (though I have some online trans friends and some offline acquaintances), and admirers. The only thing that is desirable is normal society and life as a woman.

* I certainly didn't tell my mother about the coworker I was involved with briefly and even went down on, who never knew my status (and probably would have kicked my ass had I revealed it to him). >.<



What city or state do you live in?

[ARMANIXXX]

it means she is not feeling u but will go 4 a guy who does like trannies if ur hot enough...if u are around enough u figure out all of these questions...don't let it get u down u just gotta grind it out ...



This pretty much calls it.

[tgirlzoe]

So the guy you have been dating is straight and you told him that you are a TS Girl and he is still talking to you.....how does that not make him a guy who likes T girls? Quite frankly if he was truely straight and he found out your gender, he would have ran the opposite direction

As with the other guys I've dated, I had to... twist him ^_^ I guess that makes them guys that like tgirls now, or at least who made exceptions for me. As a tgirl, I'd much rather be the exception than the rule.

The dangerous part is when you have unstable guys who can't stand being twisted. They either freak out right away or feel guilty after they have sex with you and attack you to reclaim their masculinity that they feel they have lost. Luckily, I've never encountered any violence.

Yeah, it seems like a way to get a lot more rejection than the average person but what other choice do I have? Anyway, I only have to find one to marry, that can't be that hard, can it?

[tgirlzoe]

What city or state do you live in?

I live in western Washington State, but not near Seattle. I hope that's specific enough for you and vague enough for me ^_^

Why do you ask?

[PSL4u]

it means she is not feeling u but will go 4 a guy who does like trannies if ur hot enough...if u are around enough u figure out all of these questions...don't let it get u down u just gotta grind it out ...



This pretty much calls it.


Definately wasn't an attraction issue. We actually hung out a few times so I know there was attraction. When we talked about our bedroom habbits, thats when I got the "I only like guys who don't like T-Girls"

[PSL4u]

So the guy you have been dating is straight and you told him that you are a TS Girl and he is still talking to you.....how does that not make him a guy who likes T girls? Quite frankly if he was truely straight and he found out your gender, he would have ran the opposite direction

As with the other guys I've dated, I had to... twist him ^_^ I guess that makes them guys that like tgirls now, or at least who made exceptions for me. As a tgirl, I'd much rather be the exception than the rule.

The dangerous part is when you have unstable guys who can't stand being twisted. They either freak out right away or feel guilty after they have sex with you and attack you to reclaim their masculinity that they feel they have lost. Luckily, I've never encountered any violence.

Yeah, it seems like a way to get a lot more rejection than the average person but what other choice do I have? Anyway, I only have to find one to marry, that can't be that hard, can it?


Yah not being upfron with someone, going down on them, then revealing your true gender can go bad really quick

[SarahG]

Luckily, I've never encountered any violence.


What?! You mean not all straight guys immediately turn into violent barbarians when they find out the girl they're into is trans?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Some of the guys on this board seem to disagree with you on this point. I am amazed how many guys actually buy into the gay panic defense around here.

As to "changing guys' orientations"- not buying that one ->unless guys, after dating tgirls start going for gay guys, all it shows is that after dating one they realize tgirls are just normal girls.

Never had a straight guy date me then suddenly want me to top him, and even if a guy did suddenly want me to (which hasn't happened) I wouldn't want to (and wouldn't do it).

[PSL4u]

Luckily, I've never encountered any violence.


What?! You mean not all straight guys immediately turn into violent barbarians when they find out the girl they're into is trans?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Some of the guys on this board seem to disagree with you on this point. I am amazed how many guys actually buy into the gay panic defense around here.

As to "changing guys' orientations"- not buying that one ->unless guys, after dating tgirls start going for gay guys, all it shows is that after dating one they realize tgirls are just normal girls.

Never had a straight guy date me then suddenly want me to top him, and even if a guy did suddenly want me to (which hasn't happened) I wouldn't want to (and wouldn't do it).

But you aren't a genetically normal girl. You have a a penis. If a guy is interested in you, he isn't straight. I am not saying he is gay, all I am saying is he definately is not straight.

[SarahG]

But you aren't a genetically normal girl. You have a a penis. If a guy is interested in you, he isn't straight. I am not saying he is gay, all I am saying is he definately is not straight.

I've dated guys who had no idea I was trans, does that mean they were straight up until the time I explained it to them? What if they didn't know for years, at what point would it "be different"?

What do you think about all the guys who masturbate to "line trap" not knowing of she's a tgirl or a gg, are they straight then? Or does it depend on which genitalia they envision her with?

[PSL4u]

But you aren't a genetically normal girl. You have a a penis. If a guy is interested in you, he isn't straight. I am not saying he is gay, all I am saying is he definately is not straight.

I've dated guys who had no idea I was trans, does that mean they were straight up until the time I explained it to them? What if they didn't know for years, at what point would it "be different"?

What do you think about all the guys who masturbate to "line trap" not knowing of she's a tgirl or a gg, are they straight then? Or does it depend on which genitalia they envision her with?

You are getting somewhat deep. If you are not upront with guys you meet about your sexuality then that is your choice.

I just don't buy into the post title statement. It's a statement that makes no sense. Any guy that finds out they are dating a TS girl and doesnt bolt, is a guy who is not straight thus making them a guy who is into TS girls.

[SarahG]

I just don't buy into the post title statement.


Neither do I, but my sentiments on that issue are well known.



It's a statement that makes no sense.

Agreed, "I only like guys who don't like T-Girls" would mean the girl doesn't date guys (because as soon as one said yes, they'd go into the "not interested" category). That's just bad logic.

I've never had a problem dating chasers.

I would have a problem dating a guy who claims to be a gay guy on the other hand, because in saying that he would be saying he isn't into anyone but guys, which would be telling me either he isn't into me, or he is and doesn't see me as anything but a guy.



Any guy that finds out they are dating a TS girl and doesnt bolt, is a guy who is not straight thus making them a guy who is into TS girls.

I disagree, a guy who is into guys is someone who isn't straight.

It comes down to who they're into/taste. If a guy will date a girl who is fem, passes fine, looks nice- I don't see what makes them gay. Just don't see it.

But if all they care about is the cock, to the point where they'd fuck any guy in a dress, incl those who don't pass, tvs, etc- then I'd have a pretty hard time buying the idea that they're straight.

The example I always use to illustrate this: if a guy is a chaser who is so cock-obsessed that he'd hit on guys in kilts at the scottish games, he ain't straight. If a chaser at the scottish games looks around and associates the guys in plaid kilts to "tgirls doing school girl outfits"- he ain't straight.

[hwbs]

the one i have been seeing is having this issue but she keeps coming back....she is like well i normally don't like guys that are into trannies....i am like well then stop calling me if it bothers u that much...

[ARMANIXXX]

What city or state do you live in?

I live in western Washington State, but not near Seattle. I hope that's specific enough for you and vague enough for me ^_^

Why do you ask?


No trouble.

Was just kinda curious.

[IsuckTgirlCock]

Far as Ive heard it from the 'trans community" is that your straight (us guys) as long as you like to top the tgirls . ala youre the pin and not the pin cushion.

[mbf]

lamooo @ this thread

I for one have met, seen and dated a number of trannies the last couple of years. I never had any trouble meeting them on- or offline, and those were all TS who were looking for men who like trannys. And no, none of them were escorts (well, in all fairness, some were but I wasn't their "client") and I am friends with some.

to the OP: if a tranny got those issues like you described, she isn't worth the hassle anyways. Usually those "I don't date guys into trannies" are the ones with the biggest bag of other issues anyways.

LAMOOOOOO even more at the "turn a guys orientation". Well, some trannys need to believe that myth I guess, but truth is, EVERY guy out there these days know of the existance of trannys, and therefore if you meet a guy at a place which isn't a T-pickup stable (or online) and he stays with you, he is at least "curious".

(On the other hand, if you target the most awkward, least experienced guy on the campus, you might have a winner in that regard....)

some folx on this board are definitley over-analysing things. Carpe diem ferchristtsake.

addendum: if you look good, or are rich, or are a good looking, rich guy, you are NEVER EVER a chaser :lol:

[ARMANIXXX]

Its been discussed many times,

Fooling guys into having sex with a TS girl.....that could get you fucked up.

Foolish shit to do to try and prove your worth.



Second, I've dated TS's.....I like them, they seem to like me and I date Genetic Women too. Why? Because I like women. Always have, always will and many different types of women. I see TS's as women so I like them too. Simple as that.


All this "I don't want guys that like TS girls", coming from a TS, that's the proverbial dog chasing it's tail.......It's retarded.

[ARMANIXXX]

Its been discussed many times,

Fooling guys into having sex with a TS girl.....that could get you fucked up.

Foolish shit to do to try and prove your worth.



Second, I've dated TS's.....I like them, they seem to like me and I date Genetic Women too. Why? Because I like women. Always have, always will and many different types of women. I see TS's as women so I like them too. Simple as that.


All this "I don't want guys that like TS girls", coming from a TS, that's the proverbial dog chasing it's tail.......It's retarded

[peggygee]

As a post op, a man who has a history of being the receptive partner in
anal sex, or a fondness for dick, would not be a suitable mate for me, as
I would tend to be concerned that he would be out creeping around for
something that he couldn't get from me.

I felt the same way as a pre op, and never was involved with men who
wanted me to use my penis on them.

As regards this;



Its been discussed many times,

Fooling guys into having sex with a TS girl.....that could get you fucked up.

Foolish shit to do to try and prove your worth.



Second, I've dated TS's.....I like them, they seem to like me and I date Genetic Women too. Why? Because I like women. Always have, always will and many different types of women. I see TS's as women so I like them too. Simple as that.


All this "I don't want guys that like TS girls", coming from a TS, that's the proverbial dog chasing it's tail.......It's retarded

See my response here:

I'm not telling my gender status

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=36190&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[KiraHarden]

I prefer dating straight guys, they are not as focased on what is below after I tell them I'm ts.

[IsuckTgirlCock]

I had the honor of being tricked by a ladyboy who was acting like a regular girl. I kinda thought she mighta been a tgirl but was so passable i wasnt sure. Then I confronted her on the phone and she said she was and was worried I wouldnt like her anymore, quite the contrary, it was a total SCORE ! Free sex with a hot asian ladyboy anytime I wanted, cant beat that ! she worked at a hotel and we'd go down in the gym room, in the bathroom or just in the gym and have at it, luckily we never got caught.
another time I hooked up with a post op and couldnt figure out why i couldnt fit it in her and was like 'where the hell is the hole'??? then I did her in the hoho and later on figured it out. I wanted to kill her, back then I wasnt into TSs in anyway. Had I figured it out when I was there I mighta got violent

[hardluvr]

Whatever! I dont like TS girls who escort.......... I guess that eliminates 95% of the girls, huh?

[slinky]

Relationships which start out based on a huge deception of one party be the other: no matter what that deceptions is, what is the prognosis for long term term?

[MrsKellyPierce]

I don't judge a man by who he dated or had sex with in his past. I judge him based upon on how he treats me. His honesty, his values, and how we click.

[dc_guy_75]

Only one tgirl who've I've dated didn't like "chasers" (though I hate that word).

I thought about a lot afterward, and of course, I could see her point about wanting to someone to like her for more than what she has down below.

However, there are admirers (like me) who want more than that (and I admit, in retrospect, I probably put the moves on too fast).

... but to not like people who like transsexuals, seems self-defeating.

[MrsKellyPierce]

lol I don't get that

A guy dates a guy cause he wants "PUSSY" in the end. Maybe just her "PUSSY" but still he wants the pussy in the end lol

To be BLUNT

Its the same for guys that like t-women in my opinion.

[IsuckTgirlCock]

Whatever! I dont like TS girls who escort.......... I guess that eliminates 95% of the girls, huh?


.........and eliminates 100% of your luck in scoring one

[vietboy]

Has anyone ever hearrd a TS girl say this? It baffles me......
She's just being a normal girl.
I don't blame her at all for saying that.
Can you imagine what 99.99% of girls in the world would say if you were to tell them that as a guy you like girls with dicks. Most girls would equate that with being gay and what normal girl wants a gay guy?

[lupinIII]

The ones who need shopping partners.

[runamok]

Has anyone ever hearrd a TS girl say this? It baffles me......

It’s been discussed on here a lot. Here’s my short version. The girls have run into a lot of players who go from one to the other. Many are convinced that men only want them for their cock. So they then consider these guys as gay, and themselves as straight. I have argued otherwise, until my skin actually turned blue. Many have said that if they go for the srs change their boyfriend will dump them. Many have said that if someone like them without knowing they were trans, that person likes them for the ‘real them’.

Let’s just say that their thoughts are not completely logical, but you cannot use logic to change what they feel. Of course not all think that way but far too many. They dislike someone for loving them as the way they are, and also live in fear of future abandonment.

What a twisted existence.

[Luna555]

I agree with Alyssa.

[Alyssa87]

yay mehttp://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/113.gif

[sheyum]

everyone agrees with alyssa
she the hottest girl on this whole site
id agree with anything she says!

[Alyssa87]

8) gratzi signore

[BeardedOne]

I got tired of reading the to and fro. A newspaper comic strip, Zits, once summed it up when one of the characters told her new boyfriend "I love you just the way you are! And I'll love you even more when I change you into who I want you to be!".

Women. They don't like/want what they've got and can't wait to mold it into something they can ditch a few days/weeks/months down the road.

Usually with the offhand phrase: "He's changed so".

[vietboy]

another time I hooked up with a post op and couldnt figure out why i couldnt fit it in her and was like 'where the hell is the hole'???
Sometimes when it tightens up it's because the girl is not turned on.
But the problem with that would be you.
You didn't do it for her.
Well, not totally unexpected.
Most girls are not turned on by feminine looking guys who like dick.

then I did her in the hoho and later on figured it out. I wanted to kill her, back then I wasnt into TSs in anyway. Had I figured it out when I was there I mighta got violent
Well Buffalo Bill it sounds as if you think it is justified to get violent with a girl.
Have you ever gotten violent with a girl?

[Solitary Brother]

Has anyone ever hearrd a TS girl say this? It baffles me......

They are self hating.
I can say more but dont want the drama.

[vietboy]

Has anyone ever hearrd a TS girl say this? It baffles me......

They are self hating.
I can say more but dont want the drama.
I don't think they are self-hating. They may hate their male anatomy but that is not the same as saying they are self-hating, and their male anatomy is a correctable birth defect.

[LilWyte]

makes sense

[AverageJob]

Has anyone ever hearrd a TS girl say this? It baffles me......

"I only like guys who don't view T-Girls as a fetish"

[NYTSJulie]

A lot of girls have an issue, they want a guy to like them for who they are not what they are. When you like the person for what they are your treating them like an object, because you are objectifying them. The person is not a human, they are an object to meet your fetish needs, like a high heel. If a hotter "object" comes a long you go after the hotter "object" and discard the other.

[salvador]

Don't get hung up on a ts , (( especially if you're straight ))

They will rarely believe you are and usually will find some way to sabotage things between you.

Always stay in the power position. Never show any of your frailties because it stokes their insecurities.

If you get a kick out of dysfunctional relationships because there a lot of fun, then you might be able to secretly fall for one. But if they find out, they usually come at you with scepticism.

The exceptions to the rule are few and far between. For the most part these girls are not nest makers.

Yes, Girls they are, but not the kind you came out of.

[Justawannabe]

I understand the 'don't view me as part man' side of things... but the don't objectify me thing is bunk to a degree. That's like hating on a guy cause he's into blonds, by the standard being laid out no blond should date him because he's objectifying her.

If the there is little or no reason other than the penis for the relationship, then there is an argument to be made, but not just as one aspect of things.

It's not a big thing in my relationships with a T lady, as long as she eventually gets comfortable with her body enough that we can enjoy touching without worry about landmine issues. I don't care whether she does it through surgery or not... just want her to understand the the it's the same skin and nerves, the same triggers for orgasm, it's just the shape that is getting switched around. Don't treat it like the enemy, rather than just a part you want to change, not destroy.

Sean

[Nowhere]

I think this comes down to a few things:

1. I honestly believe most (and i'm talking 99.9% of them) tgirls, well, want to be the 'girl' in the relationship (surprise, surprise, women wanting to be treated like women), and given the fact that a lot of chasers are bottoms, they have to take this angle.

2. I can't think of something more degrading than being someone else's "dirty little secret", and having no part of their life (if you're calling it "a relationship") after a while. Even being f*ckbuddies gets sort of old and wrong after a while, for anyone, boy, girl, tgirl, you name it. Chasers tend to do that, and if it becomes an issue, move on to the next girl.

3. It really is the ultimate in "fish" to get a straight guy into you and keep him, isn't it, ladies? (not that it's wrong to believe that, either). I mean, that sort of thing has to be a serious affirmation of the femininity you've worked very hard to achieve.

4. Many guys are stupid and think with their dick, so it really IS possible, especially if the girl is passable enough and seriously considering SRS.

Am I wrong?

[Shining Star]

Ages ago now, the Benjamin scale was created to rank transgender and travesties, and although it has been recently improved upon taking into account new views on gender orientation, it still is pretty much valid.

On the top of the scale you have "true" transgender persons, who are experiencing a VERY high level of gender discomfort and which the only "cure" is the operation and hormonal therapy. Below this are various levels of trannies running down to transvestites, including "non-op" trannies.

It stands to reason, if someone is truly unhappy, mentally and physically uncomfortable with their current gender, and view themselves as belonging to another, they would not really welcome "gay sex". It simply boils down to if one considers oneself a "woman", then why would you wish to engage in behaviour normally associated with gay men?

On the other side, we know from the Kinsey scale, that men have various levels of homosexual desires/behaviours. These levels can range from casual, to "forced/no other outlet" (as in being incarcerated, and or no access to females), all the way to exclusively homosexual.

IMHO, the problem in the transgender world, is when two of these different levels collide and each have different expectations of the other. This applies to both pre and post op trannies.

By nature and custom, when a "St8" man meets what his eyes tell him is a woman who he is physically attracted to, he proceeds in the normal socially accepted manner of the straight community. That is to say dating and all that goes along with it. It is a simple emotional and biological process, that makes a man "fall in love" and or at least has feelings for a woman. A woman in time he may wish to become physically closer with and perhaps reproduce with her.

Now comes the hard part, when a trannie has to throw a wrench into those plans, which leaves the man with several options. Since we've been through all of that already, shan't bother stirring those old pools, suffice to say the response can range from total acceptance to avoidance.

However what must be understood, and it's something many GG's figure out and or are told over and over by wiser older females; is that there is a world of difference between what men say and what they do.

The human male is probably unique in his ability to separate desire and sex from romance, love and respect. Sadly many women, girls, and others do not understand this and end up in some very heartbreaking situations.

For as long as their has been marriage, there has been mistresses and adultery. However in many cases the "wife" still holds considerable power, especially if she is the mother of a man's children.

There are men who consider any gay sex, and by that one means relations with anything other than a biologically natural female, well "disgusting". Then there are others a bit more fluid in their tastes.

Many trannies believe once they've had the operation, all objections from purely straight men will go away, and perhaps for a certain number of the male population, it does; then there are the others who simply don't care if you can make that pussy smoke cigarettes, they aren't interested.


No one likes being treated as a sex object, as the lives of famous and not so famous beautiful women/sex goddesses attests to. Marilyn Monroe, Pamela Andersen Lee, and others have to fight the battle of if a man loves them for themselves, or because of their beauty and or physical attributes. It is the same for pre-op transsexuals, and to some extent post op girls as well.

In the case of pre-op girls, she is going to have to find man who will either be happy with oral sex, and or possibly anal sex only until her operation. Then she like post op girls must find man willing to accept them as they are, a "woman" but unable to bear children and may or may not totally pass and so forth.

That old song "When a Man Loves A Woman", pretty much hits the mark. When a man finds a woman he truly loves, he is willing to do most anything and put up with most anything to make her happy, and by extension keep her love. Sex OTHO is something else entirely. Hoping to hold a man based upon physical beauty and sexual prowess, is a plan that has been tried by many females over the ages, and it most always fails in the end.

For a relationship to survive, long after the physical side of things has died down, there has to be something more. This, IMHO is the reason why many relationships with both pre and post op trannies end. A man simply "wakes up" on day and decides what turned him on before, doesn't do it anymore. So unless there is something else to hold him, he's off.

[funkbrother]

transsexuals want a man that treats them like they are women...They dont want a guy to think shes got a penis because then your "going for a man" What could turn on a tgirl more than her being fully excepted as what she knows she is

[Skwisgarr Skwigelf]

Well many guys who are into transsexuals specifically want them because of there penis and guys who crave penis are gay,they do not want a gay guy it defeats the purpose of them being women.

and there you have it folks, stay tuned as 'Legend' will solve all the other mysteries of the world with sweeping, assuming, and labeling sentences!


Solved? He muddied the waters. I have no idea what the hell the donkey was trying to say. Guy likes tranny for their penis or the because the tranny wants his penis? So trannys are gay and they dont want gay guys? WTF??? Put him in a straight jacket

My interpretation of his post was that the Tgirls who only like "guys who don't like Tgirls" because they [Tgirls] are women (and guys who like tgirls just for their penises are gay) and straight men like women so if a gay guy/ penis craver is someone who would make the Tgirl feel unlike a women.

[a994]

.........ELSE WE'D JUST STICK WITH REAL CHICKS .


From what I've seen here, using the term "real chicks" is part of the problem.

[tghtpussybitch]

Im sorry im going to put my two cents.

if your a tranny and a guy goes with you is because you have a cock.

if im latina and a guy is with me is because he likes laitna..

is not that difficult.

tgirls have issues always trying to be something they are not for instance society is so open now why go with a guy and fool him to later tell him your trans
when there are plenty of tranny chasers who will love you suck you and treat you like a woman with a cock

that is what you are.. you cant claim to be with a straight men when your packing a woody.

sorry girls stop been in denial just accept it.
if your man loves you or likes yes ,, yes your a unique person he likes you for you but at the same time dont deny that he also likes your penis between your legs.

[scroller]

A lot of girls have an issue, they want a guy to like them for who they are not what they are. When you like the person for what they are your treating them like an object, because you are objectifying them. The person is not a human, they are an object to meet your fetish needs, like a high heel. If a hotter "object" comes a long you go after the hotter "object" and discard the other.

In other words: They don't really want a guy at all. Now that is a real woman.

[theplaymaker]

i have a big crush on a man who is openly attracted to transwomen. he's great.
but he's not a cockhound or a 'trannychaser'.

its not all about sex and secrets with him.

but he's one in a million.

otherwise, if youre gonna hook up with a guy who wants to be 'discreet' about his dealings with you, he mightaswell be some hot straight jock :shrug

Here I must agree with you...that kind of men will never be actually for real with a "T-Girl"...they only have naughty thoughts about their experiences...they only use a T-girl like a new product in their life:)

[theplaymaker]

i have a big crush on a man who is openly attracted to transwomen. he's great.
but he's not a cockhound or a 'trannychaser'.

its not all about sex and secrets with him.

but he's one in a million.

otherwise, if youre gonna hook up with a guy who wants to be 'discreet' about his dealings with you, he mightaswell be some hot straight jock :shrug

Here I must agree with you...that kind of men will never be actually for real with a "T-Girl"...they only have naughty thoughts about their experiences...they only use a T-girl like a new product in their life:)

[Moon_Lover]

Hi Everyone

I can speak from experience, like many TG girls I do not consider myself gay, I am a woman in a man's body, one day that will change and I will have the body of a woman also.

Moon, my partner has never been interested in my cock, he love me for who I am not what I am. I have never used my cock on my partner and he has never asked me to. We make love as man and woman and I would never want it any different.

When I have my SRS it will make no difference to our relationship and we will continue to be lovers like we are now.

It is sad some on this forum treat us as freaks, we do not ask for how we are, we are in the wrong bodies but that does not make us gay nor our partners.

I have a good job in the UK, nothing to do with sex or porn and my fellow employees treat me no differnet to any other woman.

It seems that only happens on this forum.


Kisses


Jen

[Alyssa87]

well Jen, you are one of the lucky few.

im happy for u:)

[Moon_Lover]

Thank you Alyssa. I hope you dream comes true also sis.

Life has not been a bed of roses for me also.

In the Philippines, my home country, our kind are treated as the lowest forms of life.

Many of our kind die at very young age in utter poverty. if they are luck they may get work in webcam shows which pay if we are luck 80-100 dollars, usually less.

Even in a third world country like ours that does not go very far.

Many cheat westerners out of money, which I am ashamed of. I was always taught to be honest and I am ashamed of my fellow TG's behaving in this way. But the other viewpoint is that all they are trying to do is survive like anyone else.



Take care

Kisses

Jen

[celticgrafix]

i have a big crush on a man who is openly attracted to transwomen. he's great.
but he's not a cockhound or a 'trannychaser'.

its not all about sex and secrets with him.

but he's one in a million.

otherwise, if youre gonna hook up with a guy who wants to be 'discreet' about his dealings with you, he mightaswell be some hot straight jock :shrug

damn thought it was me, should of known

[Justawannabe]

While I would want you to be happy and have the life you want... the way you say that someone is treating you like a freak if they acknowledge the body you were born with... that is part of the issue.

Being trans doesn't make you a freak, just a girl who had to grow up a bit different. That's the part that I hate... the self directed loathing. I have loved two trans women in my life, one had the op one hasn't... and it has no affect on how I feel about them or treat them. But the hate didn't go away when she had the op... she still has issues with her body, because she never came to terms with it to start with.

The op doesn't erase being born in the wrong body, it doesn't fix issues with other peoples prejudice, it just makes things a bit more functional, comfortable, etc... but it doesn't alter the basic issues.

I don't know, I should shut up... I don't communicate that well this way, and it's a message the girls don't seem to hear until surgery fails them.

Sean

[TsVanessa69]

Luckily, I've never encountered any violence.


What?! You mean not all straight guys immediately turn into violent barbarians when they find out the girl they're into is trans?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Some of the guys on this board seem to disagree with you on this point. I am amazed how many guys actually buy into the gay panic defense around here.

As to "changing guys' orientations"- not buying that one ->unless guys, after dating tgirls start going for gay guys, all it shows is that after dating one they realize tgirls are just normal girls.

Never had a straight guy date me then suddenly want me to top him, and even if a guy did suddenly want me to (which hasn't happened) I wouldn't want to (and wouldn't do it).

But you aren't a genetically normal girl. You have a a penis. If a guy is interested in you, he isn't straight. I am not saying he is gay, all I am saying is he definately is not straight.
How about this, the guy that I am dating now, does not like pussy, but he doesn't like men either. He only dates transexuals, and not into my dick at all, how would you "label" him??????

[TsVanessa69]

Im sorry im going to put my two cents.

if your a tranny and a guy goes with you is because you have a cock.

if im latina and a guy is with me is because he likes laitna..

is not that difficult.

tgirls have issues always trying to be something they are not for instance society is so open now why go with a guy and fool him to later tell him your trans
when there are plenty of tranny chasers who will love you suck you and treat you like a woman with a cock

that is what you are.. you cant claim to be with a straight men when your packing a woody.

sorry girls stop been in denial just accept it.
if your man loves you or likes yes ,, yes your a unique person he likes you for you but at the same time dont deny that he also likes your penis between your legs.
Not always the case.
My boyfriend dates me because he like me, not my cock, or any cock.

[KiraHarden]

All men that strictly top a ts are straight acting. Regardless if they are straight or t girl lovers.

They are masculine and prefer the male role physically, mentally and sexually. They are not concerned how big or pretty your thing looks. Its just there

These are the men I'm attracted to and want to date/ltr

Men who only want to bottom/cock bandits are gay acting and prefer the feminine role sexually,

Theses men do nothing for me sexually regardless of how hawt they are.

I didn't transition to date a guy who's loves cock more than I do. If I wanted to fuck a guys ass I would have never transitioned and been a gay male

I want to be the female physically, mentally and sexually.

xoxo to everyone

[Moon_Lover]

Well said sisters Vanessa & Kira.

We have relationships with men because they are men and act such, they are truely straight as men who date GG's are. We are not interested in men who act feminine because we consider them not to be straight. We are women why would we choose a man who was not straight?.

Kisses

Jen

[BeardedOne]

And it all comes back to another "Am I Gay" thread. :roll:

There are so many variables involved here that it is impossible to define one reason or groups of reasons why girls/gurls operate the way they do.

Using myself as an example:

I like dick, I like T-clit, I like playing bottom to my lover (Be they T, male, or GG with accessories or exam gloves). I admit to an attraction to the 'T' when I look at our gurls and yes, for me, that is an important part of my attraction to them.

On t'other hand, I don't write them off when they cut it off. Though it significantly changes the dynamics of my attraction to them, there are some gurls that still make my heart skip a beat just by walking into the room, even though they eschewed (And 'whacked off', as it were) their 'special' parts.

Hell, there's one gurl on YouTube that makes me cream my jeans just by smiling at the camera (And she had full SRS this past summer).

Yet, I wonder at some of the things that the gurls tell me. Granted, my primary experience has been commercial in nature, and they may have subscribed to a variant of always keeping the customer happy. When I ask if they are considering or planning SRS, they have, unanimously, told me "No". Did Danielle say the same thing to her 'dates'? Did Nikki?

One gurl looked me in the eye and said "If I'd only met you a year ago...", which I took to mean that she wanted to fuck me, but that HRT had put the brakes on that. Would she qualify as one that wouldn't be interested in me because I was interested in her?

It's true that most, many, dare I say 'all' of the gurls we are interested in are because we have some level of desire for their 'T'. Yet so long as they erect defenses against us, as a whole, they may never know of the rare breed that wants them just as they are. Top, bottom, T or no, Maybe we just fucking =LIKE= you.

Fucking deal with it. :x

[tsmandy]

A lot of girls have an issue, they want a guy to like them for who they are not what they are. When you like the person for what they are your treating them like an object, because you are objectifying them. The person is not a human, they are an object to meet your fetish needs, like a high heel. If a hotter "object" comes a long you go after the hotter "object" and discard the other.

I think Julie hit the nail on the head.

I'm a complex person, and I don't want friends who are only interested in one facet of my life. So you like girls with dicks, well what else do we share in common? Musical tastes? Food? Do we view the world in a similar way? Would you get along with my friends? Are you an interesting person? All these things matter in reality, but for some reason tranny-chasers think that because a TS is the object of their fantasy that somehow that negates all the other aspects of our personalities.

[Paladin]

All men that strictly top a ts are straight acting. Regardless if they are straight or t girl lovers.

They are masculine and prefer the male role physically, mentally and sexually. They are not concerned how big or pretty your thing looks. Its just there

These are the men I'm attracted to and want to date/ltr

Men who only want to bottom/cock bandits are gay acting and prefer the feminine role sexually,

Theses men do nothing for me sexually regardless of how hawt they are.

I didn't transition to date a guy who's loves cock more than I do. If I wanted to fuck a guys ass I would have never transitioned and been a gay male

I want to be the female physically, mentally and sexually.

xoxo to everyone

Very well said Kira, but you are in the large minority compared to many "hot hunangels" on this board. Most of them enjoy dicking guys up the ass, amd don't have any intention of SRS in the future (whom i refer to as shemales, because of their stated or manifested intention to never have srs) and unfortunately many, probably most, of the guys on this board are 100% cockhounds and are gayer than that zorro movie. So they are made for each other - but that doesn't help you any.

I'm very pleased that Danielle Foxx had the courage to do what she really wanted to do with her life. And I wish you the absolute best.

[blckhaze]

Paladin-

It isnt what goes on the bedroom that makes a girl not like guys who enjoys the dick.

Its when the first conversations are related to it. Think about like this: You start a conversation with a girl and hse asks whether your straight or gay, you say straight, and the next question is how big you dick is. Now at first I think almost every guy here wouldn't mind sharing that info, but after a while even we'd get tired of getting asked that, because then you'd feel like ,"well damn, there's more to me than a penis."

OR

more realistically, You head to a party, and you're at the bar, and EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY SLUT, HOE, BITCH, AND HEFFA IN THE CLUB ASKS YOU TO BUY THEM A DRINK. You are now just a wallet, an ATM to them. There's no connection, you've been objectified based on what you have, and ignored if you dont have it, or put more value on it then they do.

[tsntx]

How about this, the guy that I am dating now, does not like pussy, but he doesn't like men either. He only dates transexuals, and not into my dick at all, how would you "label" him??????

i would label him a "liar"

muahahahaha

[hwbs]

i see a lot of sexual frustration on this board....

[tsntx]

i see a lot of sexual frustration on this board....

i see a lot of faggotry

:D

[KiraHarden]

How about this, the guy that I am dating now, does not like pussy, but he doesn't like men either. He only dates transexuals, and not into my dick at all, how would you "label" him??????

i would label him a "liar"

muahahahaha

Did Matt post this response?

[tsntx]

How about this, the guy that I am dating now, does not like pussy, but he doesn't like men either. He only dates transexuals, and not into my dick at all, how would you "label" him??????

i would label him a "liar"

muahahahaha

Did Matt post this response?

no?

hes at the hotel w/ mimi

i can speak for myself lol

[KiraHarden]

How about this, the guy that I am dating now, does not like pussy, but he doesn't like men either. He only dates transexuals, and not into my dick at all, how would you "label" him??????

i would label him a "liar"

muahahahaha

Did Matt post this response?

no?

hes at the hotel w/ mimi

i can speak for myself lol
lol, right on! Don't doubt that, he just does that muahhaha laugh

[tsntx]

;) lol

[Azrial]

All men that strictly top a ts are straight acting. Regardless if they are straight or t girl lovers.

They are masculine and prefer the male role physically, mentally and sexually. They are not concerned how big or pretty your thing looks. Its just there

These are the men I'm attracted to and want to date/ltr

Men who only want to bottom/cock bandits are gay acting and prefer the feminine role sexually,

Theses men do nothing for me sexually regardless of how hawt they are.

I didn't transition to date a guy who's loves cock more than I do. If I wanted to fuck a guys ass I would have never transitioned and been a gay male

I want to be the female physically, mentally and sexually.

xoxo to everyone

see you're interpreting the world as purely black and white. what about both people playing both rolls at various times? i'm far more on the masculine side of your interpretation but i'm open to try things, experiment and even bottom. why the hell not? particularly with a tranny, i like trannies because of the sexual diversity, i don't have to worry about being labeled masculine or feminine and i can explore that as such. i think people are so quick to apply labels to things. this or that. gay or straight. male or female. masculine or feminine. life is gray...in my experience, viewing it any other way is ultimately counter-productive.

plus placing imaginary sexual boundaries just makes everything boring, gg, ts, whatever the person or situation may be

[KiraHarden]

All men that strictly top a ts are straight acting. Regardless if they are straight or t girl lovers.

They are masculine and prefer the male role physically, mentally and sexually. They are not concerned how big or pretty your thing looks. Its just there

These are the men I'm attracted to and want to date/ltr

Men who only want to bottom/cock bandits are gay acting and prefer the feminine role sexually,

Theses men do nothing for me sexually regardless of how hawt they are.

I didn't transition to date a guy who's loves cock more than I do. If I wanted to fuck a guys ass I would have never transitioned and been a gay male

I want to be the female physically, mentally and sexually.

xoxo to everyone

see you're interpreting the world as purely black and white. what about both people playing both rolls at various times? i'm far more on the masculine side of your interpretation but i'm open to try things, experiment and even bottom. why the hell not? particularly with a tranny, i like trannies because of the sexual diversity, i don't have to worry about being labeled masculine or feminine and i can explore that as such. i think people are so quick to apply labels to things. this or that. gay or straight. male or female. masculine or feminine. life is gray...in my experience, viewing it any other way is ultimately counter-productive.

plus placing imaginary sexual boundaries just makes everything boring, gg, ts, whatever the person or situation may be

These are my views and they work for me, there not for everyone. I have no desire to top, its a turnoff as well as guys that bottom.

We all have things we like and dislike in life,food, cars, woman, men, clothing, etc etc etc. Why should sex acts be any different?




My sex life isn't boring just because I won't top a guy, gg or ts. There are other options yah know to keep a sex life interesting.

There are very few things I won't do sexually, topping just happens to be one of them



We all have a mind of our own. Live your life, and ill live mine.

If your a guy who likes it up the poop shoot by a ts. Knock yourself out. It just won't be with me.

These are not imaginary boundries. I'm not pretending to dislike topping.

[endowed]

How about this, the guy that I am dating now, does not like pussy, but he doesn't like men either. He only dates transexuals, and not into my dick at all, how would you "label" him??????
How about this, the beautiful girl I'm dating now, does not like masculine guys, but she doesn't like women either. She only dates short wealthy nerds, but she's not into my money at all, she loves me for me. How would you label her??????

Ladies, open your eyes...

The real test is if you told him you've saved money for SRS and will have it done next week. Unless he's 100% supportive AND STAYS WITH YOU AND LOVES YOU, he is a cock-ravenous poof and nothing more.

My money is on him being a poof.

[dan_drade]

i see a lot of sexual frustration on this board....

i see a lot of faggotry

:D

We are all faggots then LOL.

[scroller]

(strict tops) These are the men I'm attracted to and want to date/ltr...

(strict bottoms) Theses men do nothing for me sexually regardless of how hawt they are...


If you'd just left it as above, there'd be no argument. We all like what we like.

But the rest of that post was pretty much mythological, semi-offensive rationalizations. Personally, I can't comprehend the need for it.

[vietboy]

But the rest of that post was pretty much mythological, semi-offensive rationalizations. Personally, I can't comprehend the need for it.
Offensive? Toughen up sir.
Don't be a thin-skinned priss.

[steeveX]

Hmmmm, some late transitioner pushing 40, with an awkward voice, not the best boob job, standing 6 2 tall, will definitley have trouble keeping a man.

A petite transitioner early twen, feminine acting, soft voice on the other hand will find a good man no matter what.

[salvador]

How about this, the guy that I am dating now, does not like pussy, but he doesn't like men either. He only dates transexuals, and not into my dick at all, how would you "label" him??????

i would label him a "liar"

muahahahaha

:lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:

[Steffani]

When a guy says he likes trannys, usually he only sees the one thing, a tranny, not a person. It is kind of like a guy saying he likes blind women, or women with a birth mark. He isn't saying he likes women and it doesn't matter that they are a tranny. So it is an objectifying thing. And the guys who have said this and have dated me always turned up being chasers, go figure.

[theplaymaker]

You all are wanted for something special..cause after all you all are special in some way or other...so there is a full world of hypocrisy...thats what I can tell in general...because I never got the chance to met a TG in person...but one thing I now for me...I LOVE WOMEN SO MUCH...and if a TG handle the business better..more affective and passionate about it than a lot of other native women..than hell yes she can be my baby:)..chances for each lady..being either native..or trangender

[theplaymaker]

P.S. : I don't care how you came on this world..I care what you do and how you do it in this world

[KiraHarden]

Bump

[Alyssa87]

lol @ u bumping this.

the insensitive and asinine comments dont get on your nerves?

[steeveX]

lol @ u bumping this.

the insensitive and asinine comments dont get on your nerves?

well, some folks are just fishing for sympathy :P

[KiraHarden]

lol @ u bumping this.

the insensitive and asinine comments dont get on your nerves?

Yeah I know. lol. I just love the part where I will never get a man. I still love him

[MrsKellyPierce]

wow some of the comments on here by the men, are just nerve racking.........

I am so glad you guys think so highly of yourself to put yourselves on pedestals!

We are all people stop hating.

[theplaymaker]

:)....lol...I just love this topic...

[theplaymaker]

Damn this girls are smart...:)...you just got beat guys..sorry:)..I must admit

[tgirlzoe]

A petite transitioner early twen, feminine acting, soft voice on the other hand will find a good man no matter what.

I'm not petite -- "petite" in clothing is under 5'4", I believe, and I'm 5'6". I am in my early 20s (mid-20s if you divide it in three parts) -- I'm 23. I'm not uber-feminine, I try to dress somewhat classy at work and when I go out (I am not required to dress up for work and I have to stand all day). I enjoy the company of the men in our community and can maintain conversations with either men or women when the topics split along gender lines (as they often do) -- men talk about church history, secular and church politics, etc. and women talk about relational things, kids, etc. I don't think I'm too feminine, but I'm not exactly androgynous either. As for my voice, I've never been called on it and people used to think I was a girl on the phone even pre-transition. I generally try to align myself with the straight community and just act as though I wasn't trans.

I went to the club* this past Friday night by myself, just to have some fun because I rarely go out. I danced with many people, mainly girls, and turned down two men and a woman. The woman was some sort of swinger and she was married. She was very dominant once she realized I enjoyed it and wanted me to go home with her, but I refused.

Now, I'm a total hypocrite on this issue because my man loves to watch me dance with other girls and toy with his threesome fantasy but I think it's weird when other people do it. I mean, he and I aren't really that committed and he's across the state for 9 months in school (though he's coming to visit next month, yay!) but she is married, I think that's a bit different.

Anyway, that brings me to my point -- it's easy to get guys in a club. Some of them might even go home with you and you can even start an on-going thing. But to get a man to really commit to you, especially to the point of marriage, is a very difficult thing. Most men that I've encountered are turned off to a serious relationship because of the fact I have a penis and more because I can't bear children and biological children are important to them (I very much want children and plan to adopt or surrogate).

PS: it's almost impossible to end up in a serious relationship with a guy you meet in a bar.



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* - There are two dance bars downtown (and several nice sit-down bars, but I wanted to dance). One is full of obnoxious, upper-middle class college kids and the other is a gay bar. The gay bar is primarily populated with straight people after midnight for the reason that there is nowhere else to dance, really (the other bar is even more sleezy). It's no real stigma for straight people to go there. A slight bit of it is the safety issue -- if I'm dancing with a guy and he realizes I have a penis, perhaps he can chalk it up to all the crazy people in a gay bar and not kick my ass. But that's never happened before.

[Anon_E_Miss]

Whilst reading Encyclopedia Dramatica I found a link to this website, and (after disabling the colours) started reading out of boredom. Then I found this thread and was utterly shocked by the shear inability to comprehend the simple answer to the OP's question.

When I meet a guy, I want him to like me. I don't want him to like a birth defect. Not a guy, never have been, never will be. If he's after a penis, I'm not interested, unless he's bi and not after that with me.

I'm not my birth defect, I'm a woman seeking medical attention for a condition that can to some extent be rectified, not the condition itself. I didn't transition in to a transsexual, I transitioned into a woman. If he's after a transsexual, I'm not interested. If he's in to women with penis' I'd not want to be viewed that way so I wouldn't be interested. I want him to love me for being who I am (a woman) and not for being trans. Therefore:


I only like guys who don't like T-Girls

so long as we're using like in the euphemistic way I believe it was intended by those who said it, and I'd say the same thing. "Like" as in love, be attracted to or want. Obviously if someone was a transphobic moron I'd rather he just went and found some way to remove himself from existence, but never mind. Freedom of thought and whatnot.

Obviously the goal of most trans people (if not all?) is to fit in to their real gender and be perceived and treated as such. So why would you want someone to like to precisely because you couldn't achieve that or because of what you used to be? Kinda like a kick in the teeth.

My current boyfriend loves me, not because of a birth defect but because of who I am. He's putting up half the srs money (still need to find the other half somehow but that's not the point) for me because he wants to help me and my confidence, and as he put it "for some selfish reasons too". :) I never expected to find that in the world and I love him and he makes me happy and he doesn't see me as anything other then a woman and he's definitely not interested in the birth defect issue, beyond helping me overcome it. He didn't know I was trans until he told me how he felt and I thought it was only fair to tell him (on that note I wasn't hiding it I just didn't think it was something he needed to know).

Anyway rambled on for long enough, sorry about that. :oops:

TL;DR I'm a woman not a guy or a birth defect. I want someone who wants me as a woman, not someone who likes trans people.

[Justawannabe]

The above statement is good, as it covers the 'unless he's bi, and not after that with me.'

I think part of the reason for the thread is the exception is not often left in. A number of the trans women I've met have the attitude that if you have ever been attracted to a trans person that you can't see them as a woman, and can't be attracted to them for reasons other than the penis. The girl can be the one making it about the birth defect, with the man (or woman) having to go on the defensive and 'prove' in some way that he isn't about the penis.

It is similar to a man who wants to be intimate with a genetic girl in a way that doesn't involve his penis. All of a sudden he's gay or perverted depending on what he wants. None of that is true, but people become fixed on a set of prejudices and won't move ideologically.

They see you have dated a trans woman before, or enjoyed being with a penis equipped person before and assume that your into them because of the penis. In truth you may very well be into them because of who they are, and you just want a means to bring them physical pleasure.

It's hard to be intimate with someone who can get you off if you can't get them off, so it may be the guy just needs help figuring out how to get you off in another way. Tell him what is pleasing, help him get you off and the penis thing may go away.

Now I'm rambling...

[KiraHarden]

The above statement is good, as it covers the 'unless he's bi, and not after that with me.'

I think part of the reason for the thread is the exception is not often left in. A number of the trans women I've met have the attitude that if you have ever been attracted to a trans person that you can't see them as a woman, and can't be attracted to them for reasons other than the penis. The girl can be the one making it about the birth defect, with the man (or woman) having to go on the defensive and 'prove' in some way that he isn't about the penis.

It is similar to a man who wants to be intimate with a genetic girl in a way that doesn't involve his penis. All of a sudden he's gay or perverted depending on what he wants. None of that is true, but people become fixed on a set of prejudices and won't move ideologically.

They see you have dated a trans woman before, or enjoyed being with a penis equipped person before and assume that your into them because of the penis. In truth you may very well be into them because of who they are, and you just want a means to bring them physical pleasure.

It's hard to be intimate with someone who can get you off if you can't get them off, so it may be the guy just needs help figuring out how to get you off in another way. Tell him what is pleasing, help him get you off and the penis thing may go away.

Now I'm rambling...

Being a tall well endowed top guy into rough sex will get me off.

[salvador]

Yes too many generalizations about peoples motives.

Lets just say finding the right person is like finding a needle in a haystack

[Solitary Brother]

This entire thread is a chop!
You girls say this and that about guys but what you do IS A WHOLE OTHER STORY.
Thank god Ive never slept with a tranny.
You girls want the IMPOSSIBLE and the standards you impose on guys you dont maintain them yourself so.....
"It speaks for itself".

[blckhaze]

This entire thread is a chop!
You girls say this and that about guys but what you do IS A WHOLE OTHER STORY.
Thank god Ive never slept with a tranny.
You girls want the IMPOSSIBLE and the standards you impose on guys you dont maintain them yourself so.....
"It speaks for itself".


wow @ the gay slang.



but more on topic, how is wanting to be treated as an human being instead of a fetish asking for the impossible? I think its asking for what most people in the world ask for daily. I think its more irrational to ask a ts to be happy being a fantasy fulfiller and a fetish toy.

[scroller]

TL;DR I'm a woman not a guy or a birth defect. I want someone who wants me as a woman, not someone who likes trans people.

That's cool, we all want what want. I hope you find happiness.

Keep in mind that this site in particular is devoted to people who are attracted to "Hungangels", i.e., angels who are hung. It's run by a pornography site and exclusively advertises "Dirty Shemale Sluts 5", et. al. Previous poll (since deleted) had a large majority of visitors to this site mostly coming here to swap pictures, or use it for marketing purposes (as above).

[Bob's Tgirls]

What I've heard a number of times is they don't like men who are into cock. They want to feel like a woman. So a guy who wants to suck her cock or wants to be penetrated by her ruins that for her. I've only run into a relative few girls who feel strongly this way. These girls generally hate having a penis and can't wait to get the surgery to get rid of it.

Another aspect is that many guys only want sex with the girls, so the girls who are really interested in romance can feel objectified.

On the other hand some girls only see guys as walking ATMs.

Then there are some guys who actually want to have relationships with transsexuals but most of the girls in the dating pool are escorts.

Then there are the size queens (both guys and girls) who only want cock in their holes - the bigger the better. A couple of girls I've known who hate guys who love cocks are themselves only into cock.

With all these different dynamics out there, it's no wonder there's confusion. I think I went way beyond the scope of this thread - sorry.
:?

[NeedBlackup]

When I date girls, I typically go for thicker girls with brown hair.

Strangely, none of them have ever said "You only like me for my body type and my hair color!"

Liking girls with dicks isn't that much different.

If you eliminate guys who like ladies with penises from your dating pool, that would be just as silly as large-breasted women saying they'll only date guys who hate large breasts.

[Teydyn]

Liking girls with dicks isn't that much different.
Obviously it is. We must miss a thing.

If you like TGirls you are only in it for the cock, never for the person.
Thats a law i guess. Or something in the genes.

Liking TGirls -> not being able to love a TGirl, just in it for the sex

I like latinas, so i can never love one. They are just sex object for me. Because i like them.
That makes sense.

NOT.

[TomSelis]

What I've heard a number of times is they don't like men who are into cock. They want to feel like a woman. So a guy who wants to suck her cock or wants to be penetrated by her ruins that for her. I've only run into a relative few girls who feel strongly this way. These girls generally hate having a penis and can't wait to get the surgery to get rid of it.

Another aspect is that many guys only want sex with the girls, so the girls who are really interested in romance can feel objectified.

On the other hand some girls only see guys as walking ATMs.

Then there are some guys who actually want to have relationships with transsexuals but most of the girls in the dating pool are escorts.

Then there are the size queens (both guys and girls) who only want cock in their holes - the bigger the better. A couple of girls I've known who hate guys who love cocks are themselves only into cock.

With all these different dynamics out there, it's no wonder there's confusion. I think I went way beyond the scope of this thread - sorry.
:?

But still it's a pretty good summation of what's going on out there.

[Solitary Brother]

ONE MORE THING......
To those that dont know......if you have ever slept with a tranny that is GAY SEX.
So all these little categories dont mean anything anyways because its all the same.
So you can play all these silly little mind games you want but to society gay sex is gay sex.
Top bottom who gives a fuck?
Its all gay.
To you dilusional girls:Every guy you have sex with is a faggot.
Trannychaser Powerbottom whatever you want to say.....ALL THE SAME SHIT in societies eyes.

I return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

[Anon_E_Miss]

That's cool, we all want what want. I hope you find happiness.

Keep in mind that this site in particular is devoted to people who are attracted to "Hungangels", i.e., angels who are hung. It's run by a pornography site and exclusively advertises "Dirty Shemale Sluts 5", et. al. Previous poll (since deleted) had a large majority of visitors to this site mostly coming here to swap pictures, or use it for marketing purposes (as above).

Thanks, and yeah I know. I just had to respond to explain when I saw the comments. Only reason I made an account is cuz I'm finding reading up on the actual purpose of the site useful more useful for pre-op reading then any TS support site with regards to relationship 'play' idea's, and I didn't mean to cause offence or suggest anything was wrong or anything. Sorry if it came across that way.

[michneo]

So they want to be loved for women and not for what they have.....or maybe even what they look like?

don't all women feel that way?

[Justawannabe]

Think the issue is that if you like a girl who is blond, and generally like blonds, she doesn't shut you out of her life. If you like a trans girl, and generally like trans girls, she may very well shut you out of her life, regardless of where you ask her to do a anything with her penis.

This sort of sorting wears on folks, because it feels prejudiced and your dealing with people who already often feel like an unjustly persecuted minority. Add in all the homophobia, and fears by both girls and guys of being called a gay man... goes bad from there.

If a girl rejects the man for being into her for her penis (true or not), she is essentially calling him a gay male in her eyes, if he doesn't see himself that way, he feels slighted, whether he has anything against gay men or not, as he at the very least feels he is not truly seen for who he is.

But Bob listed the specific issues better than I.

Sean

[zukkobaby]

I'm going to assume Jennifer Justice has said that, she calls everyone on here fags all the time, no matter how much the idea of sex with a guy grosses you out.