What is fame?

[slinky]

Some of us old timers had one of our 7AM post club breakfast roundtable discussions last night/this morning and the biggest subject was what people in this scene think of as "fame". People who think they are famous because they get 200 views on a Youtube video. People who think they are famous because they made a porn video or two. People think they are famous because they are Craigslist escorts. People who think that every girl is looking at them and jealous of their fame and beauty (when most of them are staring and whispering "Is that a guy?"). People who take credit for everything, like the rooster who takes credit for the sun rising. People who run around all day thinking/saying "they can't come for my realness".

But also important is the reason the discussion started is the "Star mentality" which has seemes to pervade this community. Girls treat other girls and the guys like they deserve to be treated like stars. And since they think they are the only one's who are stars, they want the limelight all to themselves. Girls who have known each other for years and should be friends stabbing each other in the back as soon as one of them thinks they are a bigger star than their friend. Girls unwilling to acknowledge that anyone else has had anything else to do with their "success" (like the girls who are constantly putting down any guys who are "chasers", when if it weren't for these very chasers, all they would be is "odd looking girls who most guys were afraid to talk to").

So, what is fame? Is it having a couple of hundred guys on a TS worship site kissing your ass all day every day? Is it a certain number of views on a Youtube video or a certain number of Myspace friends? Is it being on a couple of porn sites? And if that is fame, does that mean that the new celebrity is above her old friends and/or her "admirers"? Does the person owe anything to her friends who supported her on the way up? Does she even owe it to help the girls who would come behind her and encourage them, give them advice on how to get to where she got (help with advice on thing like what surgeries to get or not to get, what hormones to take, how to get into whatever section of the business she wants to - or a warning about what parts of the business to avoid).

Is there anything owed as payback? Is there any accountability or is there only entitlement? Have these girls worked so hard to be the beauties that they are that they deserve to have every whim catered to just because "they are them"? hHow much of it is just the admirers fault for the Codependent activities which allow/make them feel the ways they do? How much is it that tricks deserve to be treated like tricks* (even if the defintion of "trick" becomes "anyone but me")

* Somewhat of a correlary to the statement often attributed to Canada Bill Jones: "It's immoral to let a sucker keep his money."

[Nikka]

I am famous

[Marinus]

So, what is fame? Is it having a couple of hundred guys on a TS worship site kissing your ass all day every day?
Could be, but only on the Internet! Think of it: it's a new technology. Just look at the way the record companies are trying to protect their interest in this anarchistic technology (talk about desperate).

So fame isn't what it used to be. Getting a fair amound of hits on the Internet could be compared to fame. But when the same people try to get credit for that in the real world ...... OMG ... that's waiting for an accident to happen!

[hondarobot]

I have couple of cartoons on Youtube, but nobody ever watched 'em, so I gave up. I have no idea what fame is, just that I don't want it.

:(

[Marinus]

I am famous
Who are you? :shock:








j/k :wink:

[slinky]

I am famous

I don't know if you're joking or not, but that's part of the point of this thread: you are a hell of a lot more famous that an awful lot of people who think they should be treated like stars because of how 'famous" they are, but you don't (at least not that I've seen) pull the type of shit they do seemingly thinking they deserve the "Star treatment" (which used to be characterized by the famous Tour rider which demanded a garbage can full of M&M's, but no green one's - or all green one's depending on which version of the story you hear)

[slinky]

Getting a fair amound of hits on the Internet could be compared to fame. But when the same people try to get credit for that in the real world ...... OMG ... that's waiting for an accident to happen!

I guess that's part of the discussion: as I alluded to:people who are used to getting their asses kissed all day long on some website and then think they are actually famous out in the real world. But what's worse/more of a problem is that they actually start treating people - even one's who are supposed to be their friends, like they are now stars.

[Hung Alpha]

It seems that tranny chasers are specially trained to kiss ass. The sort of attention the girls get here on a daily basis is enough to turn the most humble of people into high-maintenance divas. If you tell someone something enough times, they're going to start believing it. That's when things start to go south.

[peggygee]

I believe 'fame'in the traditional sense has changed.

If you've been on a reality show, you think you have fame. If you have a
cable show on one of the thousands of cable stations out there, then you
think you have fame.

If you own a video camera, and post to Youtube, and get hits, whether
for good or bad reasons, you think you're famous.

Won at the realness/face queen/bodyqueen/ ball, you're 'ovah' with your
fame.

Done a porn video....,,fame.

Got hundreds of 'friends'on Myspace or Facebook......fame.

Main problem with all those instances, is that nobody ever really heard
of you, you're a legend in your own mind.

Remeber "fame is fleeting".

Hmmn, makes me wonder whatever happened to {insert name here}?

He/she/they used to be so popular.

[Marinus]

But what's worse/more of a problem is that they actually start treating people - even one's who are supposed to be their friends, like they are now stars.
And the result will be what I called 'the incident'. They will get shit, but it could also be that there just enough people to keep that e-dream alive ...

[Marinus]

Remeber "fame is fleeting".
Exactly: it used to be 15 minutes, now it's only 15 Mb ...

[Fox]

More importantly, why does fame matter so much? A rhetorical question, I already know the answer.

[slinky]

Remeber "fame is fleeting".
Exactly: it used to be 15 minutes, now it's only 15 Mb ...

i like that: is that yours?

[tsmandy]

I don't really know much about the club circuit, and the friends I have who do have a certain amount of fame keep a pretty low profile about it. I'm kind of a hermit, and I tend to value intimate settings so the idea of actually being famous terrifies me (If I was truly famous I would probably never leave my land). I was freaked out when a client of mine said he saw me in the grocery store and recognized me from a video, that was more than I expected really.

Not to say you're wrong, just saying its not my experience.

[Marinus]

Remeber "fame is fleeting".
Exactly: it used to be 15 minutes, now it's only 15 Mb ...

i like that: is that yours?
Yes ... be free to use it!

I'm still thinking about this subject: Could it also be that criticizing would get the whole pack of admirers on top of you. That there's actually some kind of mass madness connected just because some people are afraid to get into some e-fight? :wink:

[slinky]

I know what you mean. That's why I never state my real opinions or get into any arguments with any of the girls on here.

[slinky]

I don't really know much about the club circuit, and the friends I have who do have a certain amount of fame keep a pretty low profile about it. I'm kind of a hermit, and I tend to value intimate settings so the idea of actually being famous terrifies me (If I was truly famous I would probably never leave my land). I was freaked out when a client of mine said he saw me in the grocery store and recognized me from a video, that was more than I expected really.

Not to say you're wrong, just saying its not my experience.

I guess one of the things is that there are two groups of girls: the girls who aren't this way, so they don't see it, and the group who are this way, so they don't see it. (I think you're probably in that first group). But honestly, don't you see it right on this site 17 times a day?

[tsmandy]

I guess one of the things is that there are two groups of girls: the girls who aren't this way, so they don't see it, and the group who are this way, so they don't see it. (I think you're probably in that first group). But honestly, don't you see it right on this site 17 times a day?

Not really, but I don't read most of the posts on here. I just figured the other girls on here were trying to promote their businesses in one way or another, and I haven't given much thought to whether or not they were famous (or think of themselves as famous).

Anyways, delusions of grandeur can be a tremendously helpful way of combatting depression, trauma and fatalism.

What's with the dick in the brick? Looks painful

[TrueBeauty TS]

Talk to my agent.


:wink:

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[hondarobot]

Fame is a tricky thing to define, actually. I wasn't down here last night, because I'm never down at where I work at night, but a guy named Harry Mohney was present.

Who the hell is Harry Mohney, most would ask.

He owns the entire chain of Deja Vu strips clubs and Dreamgirls around the world. He flew in on a private jet. Nearly anyone who has gone to a strip club or pornography shop has probably given this man some money at some point. Is that fame, even though nobody knows who he is? I also heard he was a pretty normal, regular type guy wearing a t-shirt.

It was a Deja Vu T-shirt he was wearing, of course.

[flabbybody]

it's the way things evolve. you meet someone when she's young and goes to her first party. no boobs, no computer, cheap clothes, still living with her mom in the Bronx and still petrified about leaving her house dressed in girl mode. You buy her a drink and a lap and she treats you like a best friend
She quickly sees what kind of gifts guys will bestow on her because of her tgirl status and she starts becoming confident, and in some cases very self-centered.
time goes by, and after HRT and a few surgeries she barely acknowledges you when you say hi

it's called transitioning

[slinky]

What's with the dick in the brick? Looks painful

See, you're tryin' to come for my GF. She's easily the hottest girl on HA.

[slinky]

it's called transitioning

Heh. One of the topics in the conversation we had. But it's not that because there's plenty of girls who transition and this doesn't happen. but part of the problem is you have to learn how to be a person before you learn how to be a woman, and a lot of them never get that for before transitioning and many never do that.

But I do agree with you that it is mostly a learned behaviour. When I used to do a lot of sales training, I would always have some salesperson telling me the famous people they had worked with (and mostly done no sales with). I always told them "You don't want to work with actors.models etc. You want to work with ugly fat people with money. These actors and modles spend their life with all sorts of people fawning all over them all day long every day and think they deserve it. but if you treat the ugly fat people nicely, you're one of the only one's who is doing it, they don't expect it, and they treat you nicely in return".

So, in your example, one of the factors at work is the transitioning is from one of those two groups into the other. And don't get me wrong: I absolutely understand how and why this happens. If you get involved in the scene and all day long you get guys fawning all over you and kissing your ass, it's harder not to allow this to happen than to have it happen. But you see it on HA all the time. Even my GF has become a stuck up bitch since I put her pic up here on HA and all these guys are PMing her telling her she's gorgeous and asking to buy her stuff and take her outs on dates.