PDA

View Full Version : Palin of Alaska doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell



peggygee
08-30-2008, 05:08 AM
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/palin2.jpg

Gregg Erickson, columnist and reporter for the Anchorage Daily News and editor at large for the Alaska Budget Report, was online Friday, Aug. 29, at 3:30 p.m. ET to discuss Palin as the vice presidential choice, her term as governor of Alaska and his coverage of her in the Alaska state house.

A transcript follows.

____________________

Gregg Erickson: Hi. I'm Gregg Erickson. I'm an economist, columnist and reporter in Juneau, where I've been covering Sarah Palin since November 2006 when she was elected governor. I grew up in Alaska and have been covering the legislature here since 1991. I look forward to fielding your questions.

_______________________

Arlington, Va.: A couple of questions: Where does Gov. Palin stand on allowing oil drilling in ANWR? What is her overall stance on environmental issues? What is the latest on the investigation into the firing of her ex-brother-in-law who was a state trooper in Alaska?

Gregg Erickson: Palin, like about 60 percent of Alaska voters, favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Her environmental credentials are, at best, mixed. She favors what we in Alaska call "predator control," including, gif necessary, the hunting of wolves from the air. Just recently her Dept. of Fish and Game pulled some wolf cubs from their den and shot them as part of a program to improve moose survival.

She also opposes the listing of the polar bear as an endangered species.

_______________________

Baltimore, Md.: What are Governor Palin's three greatest strengths? What are her three greatest weaknesses?

Gregg Erickson: She is smart, vivacious and energetic; she tends to oversimplify complex issues, has had difficulty delegating authority, and clearly has some difficulty distinguishing the line between her public responsibilities and private wishes.

She is under legislative investigation regarding the last issue, the so-called "troopergate."

Gregg Erickson: Gregg Erickson: She is smart, vivacious and energetic; she tends to oversimplify complex issues, has had difficulty delegating authority, and clearly has difficulty distinguishing the line between her public responsibilities and private wishes. She is under legislative investigation on this, the so-called "troopergate" issue, in which she is said to have used improper influence to try to get her sister's ex-husband fired from the state troopers.

_______________________

Washington, D.C.: I was an apathetic McCain supporter until this. Now, I am energized. She does not have much experience but she is VP not POTUS. She seems smart, tenacious and just what McCain needs to beat the rap of "more of the same." This is definitely not "more of the same."

Gregg Erickson: You are right: smart and tenacious are good words to describe our governor. She was in Texas this spring when her water broke. Rather than staying there to have the baby, she jumped on a plan for an 11-hour flight back to Alaska, so her baby would be a "Alaskan-born."

It will be interesting to see what happens when she confronts the national media regarding her positions on Roe v. Wade, airborne wolf hunting, etc.

_______________________

Eagle River, Ak.: Morning, Gregg! I've suddenly being hearing a number of pundits credit Gov. Palin with stopping the "bridge to nowhere." This isn't how I remember it, though -- in fact, I seem to recall that she was initially in favor of the bridge. Could you clarify? Thanks!

Gregg Erickson: She did curtail state support of the "bridge to nowhere" connecting Ketchikan with its island airport. But contrary to her statement today in Dayton, OH, she didn't send the federal money back. It's available for use in other projects elsewhere.

_______________________

Illinois: Is it true that Palin favors teaching creationism in public schools?

Gregg Erickson: I don't know about that, but she said during her campaign for governor that she favored students being exposed to all sides of the evolution argument.

_______________________

Claverack, N.Y.: This afternoon was my first exposure to Gov. Palin' speaking style; would you consider it typical of her style? I don't want this to seem pejorative, but she seems kind of soft-spoken. We're used to politicians speaking grandly and boomingly on the national stage; the governor, with respect, looks like she came here directly from a PTA meeting.

Gregg Erickson: That's the way she usually talks--as if she is at the PTA. It's one of her more charming characteristics.

_______________________

Washington, D.C.: An AP photo caption at today's event listed Palin's children as "daughters Piper, Willow, Bristol, and son Trig." Are those really their names?

Gregg Erickson: Yes, really. Piper is named after the light aircraft.

_______________________

Los Angeles, Calif.: It's clear from your responses that you don't particularly like her (I'm not speaking personally, but politically.) How do you explain her high approval ratings?

Gregg Erickson: I think she did a great job in taking on the oil industry, that has had a lock on Alaska politics since 1981 She is also stood up against the corruption in Alaska politics long before it was fashionable to do so. . I think those things resonate with many Alaskans beside myself.

Her approval ratings are high--65 percent, or so--but down from 80 percent earlier in her term. Most Alaskan's haven't watched her as closely as most reporters or legislators. If you took a poll of reporters and legislators I expect her approval rating would be down in the teens or twenties.

_______________________

Sun Prairie, Wisc.: Good afternoon, Mr. Erickson. When I heard the name of Sarah Palin I thought of William Miller, Geraldine Ferraro, and Jack Kemp -- running mates chosen by candidates running against popular presidents, who knew they were almost certain to lose and filled out their tickets with a view toward keeping at least their own party's base together.

No name ID. Little relevant experience. No past relationship with the presidential candidate. From a small state that Sen. McCain would have to go into a coma to lose. But, Gov. Palin is a strong social conservative, appealing to the kind of George Bush Republican who has never liked McCain very much.

This is a choice that makes a lot more sense if one assumes McCain has no chance of winning this election. Do you agree?

Gregg Erickson: The only way I can figure that it makes sense for McCain is he believes his campaign is in big trouble, and hopes this very unconventional choice will give his candidacy much needed appeal women voters and those from the religious right who have been not quite comfortable with his credentials as a social conservative.

_______________________

Arlington, Va.: I hear that Gov. Palin is a moderate on gay rights, in that she vetoed some anti-gay legislation up there. Where does she stand on same sex civil marriage?

Gregg Erickson: She is strongly against it.

_______________________

Jarrettsville, Md.: Why did she want her ex-brother-in-law fired?

Gregg Erickson: The child custody fight continued after the divorce, and got very nasty, on both sides.

_______________________

Don't forget Track!: The earlier poster's question about Palin's children was incomplete --- She has two sons, Track and Trig.

Gregg Erickson: You are correct.

_______________________

Washington, D.C.: Why don't reporters and legislators have a high opinion of the governor?

Gregg Erickson: It is clear that she has not paid much attention to the nitty-gritty unglamorous work of government, of gaining consensus, and making difficult compromises. She seems to be of the view that politics should be all rather simple. That often appeals to the wider public, but frustrates those who see themselves as laboring in the less glamorous parts of the vineyard.

_______________________

Arlington, Va.: Do you think Hillary supporters will vote for McCain now just because there's a woman on the ticket -- even though she's about as opposite as Hillary as a candidate could be?

Gregg Erickson: As I replied to another question, the only way I can figure that it makes sense is that McCain believes his campaign is in big trouble, and hopes this very unconventional choice will give his candidacy much needed appeal women voters and those from the religious right who have been not quite comfortable with his credentials as a social conservative.

Appealing to Hillary supporters by choosing someone opposed to any abortion, rights seems odd to me.

_______________________

Washington, D.C.;: You wrote: "If you took a poll of reporters and legislators I expect her approval rating would be down in the teens or twenties." What do they know about her that the general population does not?

Gregg Erickson: One example: The Republican chair of the Alaska State House Finance budget subcommittee on Heath and Medicaid says he can't find anyone in Palin's executive office who cares about helping bring that budget under control. He is furious with her about that.

_______________________

(A different) Washington, D.C.: What is Gov. Palin's campaigning style? Is she a good campaigner?

Gregg Erickson: Yes she is a very good campaigner. I'm not so sure how she would do, however, in a campaign controlled by someone else.

_______________________

Wheaton, Md.: Why is she experienced enough to lead our nation as president if McCain were unable to do so?

Gregg Erickson: I have a hard time seeing how her qualifications stack up against the duties and responsibilities of being president.

_______________________

Bethesda, Md.: I noticed that Palin criticized the Supreme Court's limitation on punitive damages with respect to the Exxon Valdez incident. As a conservative, you would think she would be in favor of this kind of "tort reform" and limit on judicial power? How has she justified her disagreement on limitation on damages, or is it simple parochialism?

Gregg Erickson: No Alaska politician and very few Alaskans support the Exxon position. Many would like to see the corporate death penalty levied against Exxon. Take their corporate charter away and sell off their assets.

_______________________

Alexandria, Va.: Has Governor Palin ever traveled outside the U.S.?

Gregg Erickson: She went to college (journalism degree) in Idaho. She's been to Iraq, to visit the troops.

_______________________

Alexandria, Va.: Knowing what you do of Gov. Palin, do you think this could be a case where the more the American people know about her, the more impressed and charmed they'll be; or, could getting to know her better be trouble?

Gregg Erickson: It will certainly have both effects. What's not to admire about a straight-talking soccer mom who suddenly finds herself in the running for vice-president. It's like a TV sitcom plot. The reality of the national scrutiny will be another thing, however.

_______________________

Washington, D.C.: What should we expect from her during the VP debates?

Gregg Erickson: I expect her to stick with simple truths. When asked about continued American troop presence in Iraq she said she knows only one thing about that (I paraphrase): no one has attacked the American homeland since George Bush took the war to Iraq.

_______________________

Hudson Valley, N.Y.: Who takes care of her children while she's busy being governor? It's pretty rare to see a woman in public office with such young kids.

Gregg Erickson: Good question. There hasn't been much reporting on that. She does carry the baby around, and has a crib and play pen in her office in Juneau. She has a big, close family, and I assume they may help out.

_______________________

Fairfax, Va.: Why didn't she want polar bears added to the Endangered Species List?

Gregg Erickson: Concern that it might inhibit oil development off Alaska's Arctic Ocean coastline was clearly a factor. Some Alaska Native interests in that area also opposed the listing.

_______________________

Germantown, Md.: Is it true that Gov. Palin is skeptical about global warming?

Gregg Erickson: Yes. Although she has not been outspoken about that. Alaska's national politicians have been allied with Sen. Imhoff, but have had to reverse course rather dramatically on that as the effects of climate change began to show up so dramatically in Alaska.

_______________________

Silver Spring, Md.: You say she "took on" the oil companies, but that she favors drilling in the Arctic Wildlife Refuge. In what ways did she stand up to Big Oil, and in what ways might she be in their pocket?

Gregg Erickson: She is strongly in favor of oil development. She just wants the state to get a bigger share of the profits, and wants the companies to develop their Alaska resources faster than the companies consider profitable or prudent.

_______________________

Memphis, Tenn.: Why do you hint that the campaign must be in trouble?

Gregg Erickson: I said if that is McCain's view, then the choice of Palin could make sense. Otherwise, why take the risk on someone he obviously doesn't know well, and whose appeal to the national electorate is unknown, and who brings only three electoral votes. There may be other reasons, good or bad, for his choice, but I can't guess what they would be.

_______________________

Gainesville, Va.: What is Governor Palin's religious background?

Gregg Erickson: She is fundamentalist protestant. I think she has been affiliated with different congregations.

_______________________

Gregg Erickson: This is Gregg Erickson, signing off. It's been an interesting and fun experience doing this. If anyone really needs another answer feel free to e-mail me at gerickso@alaska.com.

_______________________

francisfkudrow
08-30-2008, 07:23 AM
I think my fellow Democrats are delusional if they EVER think that the Republicans have "a snowball's chance in hell". In fact, given the depths of muckraking, fraud and intimidation that the GOP is willing to go to in order to win, I would not be surprised if we never see a Democrat in the White House again.

Even in the best of times, getting a Democrat elected President is an uphill battle. Trying to get a guy named Barack Hussein Obama elected will be nearly impossible.

Long story short, Palin's most likely going to be our next VP, whether we like it or not.

qeuqheeg222
08-30-2008, 07:33 AM
this is a ploy by the r.n.c. to fool the public into thinkin the republicans are the inclusive"big tent" party once again...they want to see how many of those hillary voters-suburban white women they can win over..in a way im glad they did this cuz i dont want that shit romney gettin anymore free publicity..next time around he can by the election...shit..."he looks presidential"..how stupid are americans...

Tomfurbs
08-30-2008, 09:15 AM
[/quote]

She was in Texas this spring when her water broke. Rather than staying there to have the baby, she jumped on a plan for an 11-hour flight back to Alaska, so her baby would be a "Alaskan-born."

_______________________[/quote]

What a wierdo.

This whole Palin situation just screams desperation on the part of the McCain camp.

Unfortunately, I still think McCain will win, because I think when the majority of Middle America gets behind that voting booth curtain, they are going to vote for the elderly white guy. That's not bacause of racism necessarily, it's just because people as a whole would rather vote for the status quo, even if that status quo is an unmitigated disaster, if the alternative is such a leap of faith.

If Obama doesn't win, it will be a catastrophe of global proportions. In the light of the events of the past 8 years, that is not hyperbole.

hondarobot
08-30-2008, 04:27 PM
I don't believe the Republicans have a chance in hell this election either, but it's dangerous to think that way because the conservatives are the ones who turn out to vote more consistently. It seemed absurd that GWB would become president, so why bother voting? Doh. GWB "wins" two elections.

The thing I dislike about Palin the most is that she clearly looks evil. The outwardly nice soccer mom who kicks her dog for fun when she's alone.

SXFX
08-30-2008, 05:00 PM
Does she look like Peggy Hill or is it just me?

dave252
08-30-2008, 06:44 PM
McCain will win and let me tell you why, because people vote from thier pocket books as do i. Being a social liberal and a fiscal conservative, I can speak of experience, in most cases the social issues, abortion, gay rights.... dont mean a thing when someone keeps telling us they want more of our hard earned wages for programs most of us will never use. When the price of gas and food and all means to live is ever increasing, do we need someone to tell us, the goverment wants more of our cash? I know Obama has pledged to cut middle class taxes, tax the rich and corporations. Bill Clinton said the same thing, and being divorced in 1994 and having to file single, my taxes went up and I was making 25k. The dems this year had a mock tax plan vote this year, any single person making 30K, thier taxes would go up, any married couple making 72k, the same. Is this what the dems call rich, thats why they always lose. What good are social reforms when the goverment robs your wallet and you have to struggle to pay your bills? The dems are not practical, they live in shangri-la. And now they want to have univeral health care, how much will that cost? The repubs know this, just watch thier commercials, whether its true or not. If Bush had cut spending when he cut taxes, this wouldnt even be a race, McCain would be a shoe in.

CORVETTEDUDE
08-30-2008, 06:47 PM
I will simply state that I completely disagree with the OP's Title Statement.

mugiwara
08-30-2008, 06:55 PM
McCain will win and let me tell you why, because people vote from thier pocket books as do i. Being a social liberal and a fiscal conservative, I can speak of experience, in most cases the social issues, abortion, gay rights.... dont mean a thing when someone keeps telling us they want more of our hard earned wages for programs most of us will never use. When the price of gas and food and all means to live is ever increasing, do we need someone to tell us, the goverment wants more of our cash? I know Obama has pledged to cut middle class taxes, tax the rich and corporations. Bill Clinton said the same thing, and being divorced in 1994 and having to file single, my taxes went up and I was making 25k. The dems this year had a mock tax plan vote this year, any single person making 30K, thier taxes would go up, any married couple making 72k, the same. Is this what the dems call rich, thats why they always lose. What good are social reforms when the goverment robs your wallet and you have to struggle to pay your bills? The dems are not practical, they live in shangri-la. And now they want to have univeral health care, how much will that cost? The repubs know this, just watch thier commercials, whether its true or not. If Bush had cut spending when he cut taxes, this wouldnt even be a race, McCain would be a shoe in.
This wise man just explained why Dems rarely ever win the Presidency. I too am a social liberal, but I'll be damned if some Dem is going to take even more of my very meager wages for crap I'm never going to use. Oh sure, Obama says he will lower my taxes, but when the rich start hiding all their cash away in offshore accounts or outright leave the country, who is left to pay the bill. That's right, those of us who actually work and pay taxes. When listening to the Dems I sometimes feel that they think I'm wealthy simply because I have a full time job. No worries though, the Dems could have nominated a brick and it would have won with all the hatred towards Bush, instead they nominated an unknown who has the most liberal voting record over the short time hes served. Game over.

hondarobot
08-30-2008, 06:58 PM
McCain will win and let me tell you why, because people vote from thier pocket books as do i. Being a social liberal and a fiscal conservative, I can speak of experience, in most cases the social issues, abortion, gay rights.... dont mean a thing when someone keeps telling us they want more of our hard earned wages for programs most of us will never use. When the price of gas and food and all means to live is ever increasing, do we need someone to tell us, the goverment wants more of our cash? I know Obama has pledged to cut middle class taxes, tax the rich and corporations. Bill Clinton said the same thing, and being divorced in 1994 and having to file single, my taxes went up and I was making 25k. The dems this year had a mock tax plan vote this year, any single person making 30K, thier taxes would go up, any married couple making 72k, the same. Is this what the dems call rich, thats why they always lose. What good are social reforms when the goverment robs your wallet and you have to struggle to pay your bills? The dems are not practical, they live in shangri-la. And now they want to have univeral health care, how much will that cost? The repubs know this, just watch thier commercials, whether its true or not. If Bush had cut spending when he cut taxes, this wouldnt even be a race, McCain would be a shoe in.

Well, at least this guy is an honest cash-centric conservative. I've actually heard that Obama not only plans on raising taxes, but is plotting to enslave the citizens of Conneticut and force them to work in soup kitchens, without pay, and tax 'em for that too.

The New England Football Murder Conspiracy is somehow involved in the whole scheme.

:lol:

peggygee
08-30-2008, 07:29 PM
I think my fellow Democrats are delusional if they EVER think that the Republicans have "a snowball's chance in hell". In fact, given the depths of muckraking, fraud and intimidation that the GOP is willing to go to in order to win, I would not be surprised if we never see a Democrat in the White House again.

Even in the best of times, getting a Democrat elected President is an uphill battle. Trying to get a guy named Barack Hussein Obama elected will be nearly impossible.

Long story short, Palin's most likely going to be our next VP, whether we like it or not.

Well unfortunately for the GOP, they won't have Jeb Bush, and
'hanging chads' to help them steal the election this time.

Thus the penguins in Alaska will learn to fly before the GOP wins
this one.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/penquins4x4.jpg

And they better learn to fly if they want to survive Palin, and her
environmental policy.

Buzz
08-30-2008, 08:26 PM
McCain will win and let me tell you why, because people vote from thier pocket books as do i. Being a social liberal and a fiscal conservative, I can speak of experience, in most cases the social issues, abortion, gay rights.... dont mean a thing when someone keeps telling us they want more of our hard earned wages for programs most of us will never use. When the price of gas and food and all means to live is ever increasing, do we need someone to tell us, the goverment wants more of our cash? I know Obama has pledged to cut middle class taxes, tax the rich and corporations. Bill Clinton said the same thing, and being divorced in 1994 and having to file single, my taxes went up and I was making 25k. The dems this year had a mock tax plan vote this year, any single person making 30K, thier taxes would go up, any married couple making 72k, the same. Is this what the dems call rich, thats why they always lose. What good are social reforms when the goverment robs your wallet and you have to struggle to pay your bills? The dems are not practical, they live in shangri-la. And now they want to have univeral health care, how much will that cost? The repubs know this, just watch thier commercials, whether its true or not. If Bush had cut spending when he cut taxes, this wouldnt even be a race, McCain would be a shoe in.
That sugary artificial food coloring mixed with water must be really be good...

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/a/a8/Republican-koolaid.jpg/180px-Republican-koolaid.jpg

The Washington Post (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/27/despite-cnn-distortion-americans-prefer-obama-tax-plan/) did the numbers.

C&L: As ThinkProgress reported, CNN on Tuesday showed a deceptive chart which wrongly suggests that John McCain’s tax plan provides more Americans with greater savings than that offered by Barack Obama. But CNN’s upper-crust income brackets, which start at $161,000 and represent only 5% of taxpayers, conceal the inescapable truth that Barack Obama’s proposals offer working and middle class Americans steeper tax benefits at every income level up to $110,000. And according to a new Gallup poll released this week, that truth isn’t lost on American voters.

By 48% to 43%, Americans surveyed by Gallup say Obama would better handle the issue of taxes than John McCain. And with good reason. As the Washington Post detailed, an analysis by the Tax Policy Center showed:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3132/2800778955_8fed37e8de.jpg (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/27/despite-cnn-distortion-americans-prefer-obama-tax-plan/)

Those whose income is under $67,000 - 60% of all American taxpayers - would see substantially larger tax cuts under the Obama plan. While McCain’s plan concentrates 58% of its benefits to the wealthiest 1% of Americans, Obama’s rollback of the Bush tax cuts above $250,000 produces tax increases for that group.

Sadly, Obama’s story is not getting through. In the face of the TPC’s analysis showing that 95% of American taxpayers would see savings under the Obama tax plan, 53% of the Gallup respondents wrongly believe their tax burden would increase under President Obama. Meanwhile, despite the same analysis showing McCain’s plan to make permanent and expand the Bush tax cuts would produce a staggering $2.8 trillion in red ink for the federal budget, the Republican still claims the mantle of fiscal discipline.

francisfkudrow
08-30-2008, 08:31 PM
I think my fellow Democrats are delusional if they EVER think that the Republicans have "a snowball's chance in hell". In fact, given the depths of muckraking, fraud and intimidation that the GOP is willing to go to in order to win, I would not be surprised if we never see a Democrat in the White House again.

Even in the best of times, getting a Democrat elected President is an uphill battle. Trying to get a guy named Barack Hussein Obama elected will be nearly impossible.

Long story short, Palin's most likely going to be our next VP, whether we like it or not.

Well unfortunately for the GOP, they won't have Jeb Bush, and
'hanging chads' to help them steal the election this time.



There's always some other GOP lackey to throw a wrench in the works, and don't forget the easily rigged Diebold voting machines.

peggygee
08-30-2008, 08:48 PM
I think my fellow Democrats are delusional if they EVER think that the Republicans have "a snowball's chance in hell". In fact, given the depths of muckraking, fraud and intimidation that the GOP is willing to go to in order to win, I would not be surprised if we never see a Democrat in the White House again.

Even in the best of times, getting a Democrat elected President is an uphill battle. Trying to get a guy named Barack Hussein Obama elected will be nearly impossible.

Long story short, Palin's most likely going to be our next VP, whether we like it or not.

Well unfortunately for the GOP, they won't have Jeb Bush, and
'hanging chads' to help them steal the election this time.



There's always some other GOP lackey to throw a wrench in the works, and don't forget the easily rigged Diebold voting machines.


I get the sense that hacking or attempting to hack the Diebold machine (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=diebold+voting+machine&aq=9&oq=Diebold)
will be a little trickier this time around in the most observed election in
history.

southerncalisurfer
08-30-2008, 08:59 PM
I am not qualified to ring in on this as I have a green card, and cannot vote, but as much as it pained me, McCain is going to win. I live in California in an affluent area and I do not know anyone who is not republican - and this is California! My pseudo-liberal friends are not going to help either, after a few drinks even the most green cali person starts dropping n bombs. It is strange that people here have no problems with illegal mexicans coming in our houses cleaning every day, but if one black person shows up in HB, cops follow them until they leave...?

sunairco
08-30-2008, 09:43 PM
This can reduced to two points.

She's a woman, she's pretty,and she can draw female Hillary supporters.

Her husband is a chief executive for BP.


Considering McCain's age,appeal to women, and his position against Alaska drilling, it's a good strategic move. For the energy sector, energy policy is back as a major issue.

peggygee
08-30-2008, 09:52 PM
I am not qualified to ring in on this as I have a green card, and cannot vote, but as much as it pained me, McCain is going to win. I live in California in an affluent area and I do not know anyone who is not republican - and this is California! My pseudo-liberal friends are not going to help either, after a few drinks even the most green cali person starts dropping n bombs. It is strange that people here have no problems with illegal mexicans coming in our houses cleaning every day, but if one black person shows up in HB, cops follow them until they leave...?

I can remember when many Black people were not alllowed their right
to vote.

I can also remember that it took The National Voting Rights Act of 1965
to ensure that we had that right.

Now we have a Black Presidential hopeful, who is supported by a wide
spectrum of the United States populus, and I dare-say the world..

This along with Governors, Senators, members of the House of
Representaives, Ambassadors to foreign nations, Mayors of major cities,
and other elected officials, says one tthing to me.....

"The times they are a'changing my friend, the times they are a'changing".

southerncalisurfer
08-30-2008, 09:59 PM
I am all for it Miss Gee, I just read the writing on the wall...

trannybanger
08-31-2008, 12:27 AM
California is historically noted for "outside the box" thinking and progressive ideas, but I really don't believe that those come from anywhere close to either Hermosa nor Huntington Beach.

My point is that is not really the best place to go for insight into what Americans are going to decide, if the rest of the country starts thinking like people from those areas, I for one won't be coming back.

dave252
08-31-2008, 02:07 AM
McCain will win and let me tell you why, because people vote from thier pocket books as do i. Being a social liberal and a fiscal conservative, I can speak of experience, in most cases the social issues, abortion, gay rights.... dont mean a thing when someone keeps telling us they want more of our hard earned wages for programs most of us will never use. When the price of gas and food and all means to live is ever increasing, do we need someone to tell us, the goverment wants more of our cash? I know Obama has pledged to cut middle class taxes, tax the rich and corporations. Bill Clinton said the same thing, and being divorced in 1994 and having to file single, my taxes went up and I was making 25k. The dems this year had a mock tax plan vote this year, any single person making 30K, thier taxes would go up, any married couple making 72k, the same. Is this what the dems call rich, thats why they always lose. What good are social reforms when the goverment robs your wallet and you have to struggle to pay your bills? The dems are not practical, they live in shangri-la. And now they want to have univeral health care, how much will that cost? The repubs know this, just watch thier commercials, whether its true or not. If Bush had cut spending when he cut taxes, this wouldnt even be a race, McCain would be a shoe in.
That sugary artificial food coloring mixed with water must be really be good...

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/a/a8/Republican-koolaid.jpg/180px-Republican-koolaid.jpg

The Washington Post (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/27/despite-cnn-distortion-americans-prefer-obama-tax-plan/) did the numbers.

C&L: As ThinkProgress reported, CNN on Tuesday showed a deceptive chart which wrongly suggests that John McCain’s tax plan provides more Americans with greater savings than that offered by Barack Obama. But CNN’s upper-crust income brackets, which start at $161,000 and represent only 5% of taxpayers, conceal the inescapable truth that Barack Obama’s proposals offer working and middle class Americans steeper tax benefits at every income level up to $110,000. And according to a new Gallup poll released this week, that truth isn’t lost on American voters.

By 48% to 43%, Americans surveyed by Gallup say Obama would better handle the issue of taxes than John McCain. And with good reason. As the Washington Post detailed, an analysis by the Tax Policy Center showed:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3132/2800778955_8fed37e8de.jpg (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/27/despite-cnn-distortion-americans-prefer-obama-tax-plan/)

Those whose income is under $67,000 - 60% of all American taxpayers - would see substantially larger tax cuts under the Obama plan. While McCain’s plan concentrates 58% of its benefits to the wealthiest 1% of Americans, Obama’s rollback of the Bush tax cuts above $250,000 produces tax increases for that group.

Sadly, Obama’s story is not getting through. In the face of the TPC’s analysis showing that 95% of American taxpayers would see savings under the Obama tax plan, 53% of the Gallup respondents wrongly believe their tax burden would increase under President Obama. Meanwhile, despite the same analysis showing McCain’s plan to make permanent and expand the Bush tax cuts would produce a staggering $2.8 trillion in red ink for the federal budget, the Republican still claims the mantle of fiscal discipline. this kind of thinking is exactly why the dems lose, EVERYBODIES TAXES ARE TO HIGH, if you think corporations who will be taxed at a higher rate wont take away employee benefits or raise prices or just take thier headquarters to another country you may want to try some of that kool-aid. the consumers and the employess will feel it, not the corporation or the upper management. Most people believe our tax dollars are wasted to begin with. The rich are never hurt by higher taxes, they just dont invest thier money that helps create jobs and bring in higher tax revenues. Kennedy, Regan and Bush jr saw tax revenues soar after cutting taxes. Everybodies taxes.

AllanahStarrNYC
08-31-2008, 02:57 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchell/2-top-alaska-newspapers-q_b_122625.html

And interesting READ- Alask Newspapers doubt the choice

casca82
09-01-2008, 01:32 AM
mr.hussian will NEVER BE MY PRESIDENT, NEVER.

Buzz
09-01-2008, 02:26 AM
mr.hussian will NEVER BE MY PRESIDENT, NEVER.
Of course, casca82, no candidate whose headquarters is not based in an insane asylum is sufficiently blood thirsty for you...

HA Topic question by Kelly Shore: "If you could be president what would you do?" (http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=34201)

Your response (http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=484814&highlight=#484814):

hippifried
09-01-2008, 07:15 AM
mr.hussian will NEVER BE MY PRESIDENT, NEVER.
Well send us a post card from wherever it is you end up.


After listening to all this claire voyant crap about what "those horrible liberals" will do if they ever get into power, I feel compelled to remind everyone that we just got done giving the republicans 6 years of total control over the federal government so they could implement the policies they keep touting. That's both chambers of Congress, the Whitehouse, & the Supreme Court.

So what have we got to show for it?
Stagflation.
A debt that our grandchildren won't be able to get out from under.
2 military quagmires without a single clue who or where the enemy is.
A heightened national sense of paranoia.
A federal bureaucracy bloated to a size undreamed of.
Disdain throughout the rest of the world.

One of the daffy-nitions of insanity is continuously repeating the same actions & expecting a different result.

Tara Emory
09-01-2008, 07:55 PM
Wow.. I just heard a McCain spokeswoman on CNN (at about 1:45 Pm EST) say the biggest lie I've ever heard.

They were talking about the convention changing to something of a Hurricane relief event instead, and people being concerned that they wouldn't have a lot of time to introduce Palin to the country. She wasn't that concerned and then said (about Palin):

"She's the most popular governor in America"

WTF? Nobody had heard of this person before! I guess she's more popular than Schwarzznegger, right?

Or does she mean "she's more popular" now?

Somone needs to hold these people accountable for the lies they say!

-Tara

Tara Emory
09-01-2008, 08:04 PM
Ah.. what a misleading thing they are saying..


What I heard- and perhaps what a lof of other people are going to think- that Palin's high approval rating (90%) - it is the highest approval rating.. somehow should be reworded to say
"the most popular governor in America"

I'm sorry, when I hear that quote, I think "as compared to other governorr"- don't you?

It's just more "spin", isnt it?


-Tara

hippifried
09-01-2008, 10:52 PM
It's just more "spin", isnt it?


-Tara
Well yeah!! It's the silly season! On top of that, this week is the republican's turn to spout BS & pretend they're relevant, even though, to hear them tell it from their self-important standpoint, "Goosetav" is hitting Minnesota harder than Lousiana. :shock:

If you try to overanalyze the hype, you'll just give yourself an ulcer or end up in a butterfly net. Sometimes it's fun though, huh? Just make sure to get your dangling chad to the voting booth on Nov 4. :D

toxicadam
09-02-2008, 04:16 AM
ABC Confirms: Palin Was AIP Member

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html


Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which, since the 1970s, has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.

WTF was McCain thinking?

francisfkudrow
09-02-2008, 04:00 PM
ABC Confirms: Palin Was AIP Member

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html


Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which, since the 1970s, has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.

WTF was McCain thinking?

Actually, it will probably end up being good for McCain. They'll love Palin in the South where a lot of people still wish the Confederacy had won the Civil War.

Buzz
09-02-2008, 10:57 PM
You just can't make this stuff up... Watch the newest video.

SARAH PALIN: IRAQ WAR 'A TASK FROM GOD'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html

Half the country will eat this up, and the other half will be aghast (like me).

hangman
09-07-2008, 10:26 PM
ABC Confirms: Palin Was AIP Member

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html


Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which, since the 1970s, has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.

WTF was McCain thinking?

Nice try. Why didn't you quote the headline? Oh, because then it wouldn't have suited your purposes. Well, just so everyone can make up their own mind here it is:

Members of 'Fringe' Alaskan Independence Party Incorrectly Say Palin Was a Member in 90s

trish
09-07-2008, 10:33 PM
Her husband was a member, not Palin herself...and that was years ago. Even though she remained a republican, she always had sympathy with the secessionist party. As governor, S. Palin addressed the Independence Party convention. Welcomed them and told them to keep up the "good work". She is without a doubt the most unAmerican vice presidential candidate ever!

hangman
09-07-2008, 10:46 PM
Her husband was a member, not Palin herself...and that was years ago. Even though she remained a republican, she always had sympathy with the secessionist party. As governor, S. Palin addressed the Independence Party convention. Welcomed them and told them to keep up the "good work". She is without a doubt the most unAmerican vice presidential candidate ever!

You need to make a better argument. Can you provide a quote where she stated that she was sympathetic to the secessionist part of their platform? Please do.

You have no fact to support your statement that she is the most un-American vice-presidential candidate ever. By the way, she will be our next vice-president.

trish
09-07-2008, 10:56 PM
You have no fact to support your statement that she is the most un-American vice-presidential candidate ever.

I just presented suporting fact.


You need to make a better argument.

You need to establish that the only valid evidence would be a quote, which if she had any political sense would never have made publicly.

hangman
09-07-2008, 11:06 PM
You have no fact to support your statement that she is the most un-American vice-presidential candidate ever.

I just presented suporting fact.


You need to make a better argument.

You need to establish that the only valid evidence would be a quote, which if she had any political sense would never have made publicly.

Trish - You saying that "she always had sympathy with the secessionist party" really means nothing, nor does you citing that she told the Independent Party to keep up the good work. I really think you are reaching.

trish
09-07-2008, 11:18 PM
I not claiming that ME saying anything has any political importance. BTW that's not a correct quote. However, that FACT that her husband belonged to the Independence Party and the FACT that she very recently addressed their convention together reveal a flaw in the commitment of the Palins to America as a nation.

hangman
09-07-2008, 11:52 PM
I not claiming that ME saying anything has any political importance. BTW that's not a correct quote. However, that FACT that her husband belonged to the Independence Party and the FACT that she very recently addressed their convention together reveal a flaw in the commitment of the Palins to America as a nation.

Do you know the full extent of the Independence Party's platform? Do you know what she said at their convention?

trish
09-07-2008, 11:59 PM
I watched the speech on CSPAN, and yes, it gave me pause about her commitment to our nation.

Stoked
09-08-2008, 12:51 AM
I watched the speech on CSPAN, and yes, it gave me pause about her commitment to our nation.

So what was in her speech that connected her the secessionist's? Or did I go off topic?