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Big T
08-03-2005, 12:09 AM
Fantastic Four...this was purely hollywood trying to make money, there was no "film" feeling to this movie...more like a vehicle to sell toys, fast food etc

all the "cool stuff" we saw on tv

for you sociology fanatics...perfect example of big media using horizontal integration

Ecstatic
08-03-2005, 12:24 AM
I disagree. I liked Fantastic Four--well, qualified liked. Ioan Gruffudd can't act his way out of a paperbag, or at least he came off that way. Mr Fantastic was so flat it was painful. Jessica Alba is so gorgeous I forgive her acting limitations, and she wasn't that bad. Chris Evans was excellent as the Torch, and Michael Chiklis as good as you could be wearing 75 lbs of laytex. Julian McMahon was fine, even if his character was changed almost beyond recognition from the comic. So 3 out of 5 stars for me.

Worst movie this year that I've actually paid to see: I don't know, I really haven't gone to that many. Sin City was bad in places but excellent in others. Batman Begins likewise: strong character development but pointless violence (chick is dying and he's racing his hot rod around like an idiot, right).

There are several that I've simply avoided: Betwitched. Longest Yawn. Missed Congeniality. Constantwined. Mr & Mrs Snorf. War of the Words (now showing at a Hung Angels near you, lol).

Revenge of the Sith was pretty good, if you overlook the "romantic" bits. Hitchhiker's Guide was OK, but I like the radio play and tv series more.

Not an impressive year thus far.

Big T
08-03-2005, 12:30 AM
see I'd say some of the best movies I've seen this year were

War of the worlds
sin city
batman begins
Episode 3..the romantic bits were kept to a bare minimum

I kinda wanna see Constantine
heard great things about Mr and Mrs Smith

Charlie and the Chocolate factory....eh...if it was the first time I was introduced to this story it would have been amazing..unfortunately I prefer the original movie

Ecstatic
08-03-2005, 12:35 AM
Well, I guess I should go see W of the W then: Cruise rubs me the wrong way, but if you rank it up there with sin city, it must have something going on. I just couldn't bear to see Constantine: I'm a diehard comics buff (Silver Age on) and Hellblazer (John Constantine) is one of the best characters ever developed in comics. Just couldn't bear to see K. Reeves mess with the character. Should have been played by James Marsters, who has the look and the attitude, and, hey, is a punk Brit to boot.

I never cared for the original Wonker; didn't have any of the life of the book by Dahl. I'm willing to give Depp at go at it.

castabyss
08-03-2005, 01:20 AM
Cursed with Christina Ricci....beyond stupid.

flabbybody
08-03-2005, 03:38 AM
Ocean's 11 or Ocean's 12, I forget what the fuck it was. Just a pathetic remake of a classic 1960's movie with Frank Sinatra and Sammy Davis Jr. about a casino rip-off. I sat there with my date and couldn't wait until the torture was over. (of course I got no action that night). The crap thet's coming out of the studios now is very sad.

GroobySteven
08-03-2005, 03:56 AM
I've been reading Hellblazer (Constantine) since day one and converting it into an all-American Keanu Reeves with a little kid as his sidekick (Chas) was just a joke. Complete crap that alienated all the fans.

Batman Begins on the other hand was fantastic. Closer to "Legends of the Dark Knight" then the "Batman" comics all the characters were excellent although I didn't care for the chick much and giving a reasoning for everything was cool. Directed by the guy who done Memento so he's got some pedigree.
seanchai

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08-03-2005, 03:57 AM
kings ransom. horrible horrible horrible

Ecstatic
08-03-2005, 05:15 AM
Wow, seanchai and Angela, you're both Hellblazer fans! Far out! I've been following the mystical and morally questionable antics of that chain smoking (Silk Cuts, mind you) post-punk charlatan, world-weary wizard, and original trenchcoat troubleshooter since Alan Moore first introduced him in the pages of Swamp Thing. Keanu Reeves? No way. I'll probably see the movie eventually out of morbid curiosity, but I refused to pay to see it in the theatre.

Now James Marsters (Spike on Buffy) would have made an excellent Constantine: in fact, I've always suspected that Joss Whedon (a big comix fan who's currently writing a couple of titles including the best X-men title in 20 years) based Spike in large part on Constantine, from the spiked blonde hair to the smokes to the big bad image.

seanchai, I bet you will know what I mean: casting Reeves as Constantine was as bad a move as the 90s Dr Who tv movie which recast the Doctor as half-human. Bad move! (However, I've read that there's already a season of new Dr Who episodes already aired on the BBC and another season with yet another Dr Who ready in the wings, so I'm waiting on their appearance on American TV).

FF may have been a flawed movie, but at least it gave--in fair measure--what fans of the comix expected (that is, the best bits were classic elements of the only real family in superhero comix: Johnny and Ben ragging on each other, Johnny acting without thinking (captured right to the line "I never do" as he leaps off the Baxter Bldg to lure the heat seeking missle away), Reed caught up in his research (though poorly acted), even Stan Lee as Willy Lumpkin the mailman). True, they severely altered Dr Doom's character (to his detriment), but as I say, flawed.

Batman Begins: excellent treatment of the backstory, with R'as al Ghul. Overplayed car chase scene and over the top violence, and a bit boring in the middle at times, but all-in-all the best Batman yet. But the best superhero movie ever remains a tie between Superman and Superman II. Oh, props to Hell Boy and X-2 as well.

twowaybro
08-03-2005, 08:08 AM
Hustle & Flow....despite the critical hype, it was little more than a contemporary "blaxploitation" flick that furthers the sterotypes of life "in the hood" or the "inner city." Two Thumbs Down!!

GroobySteven
08-03-2005, 08:20 AM
Constantine should have been played by Sean Bean - would have been perfect casting. Easy enough to complain about it being a non-British actors but practically the whole cast of Batman was British and they pulled it off (hey they are actors after all!) - Jude Law after seeing him Road to Perdition (a good comic book adaptation) could have grunged down for Constantine also.
Christopher Ecceleston who is a great actor - plays the new DrWho - I've yet to see it.
seanchai

TheGuard
08-03-2005, 08:40 AM
I've been reading Hellblazer (Constantine) since day one and converting it into an all-American Keanu Reeves with a little kid as his sidekick (Chas) was just a joke. Complete crap that alienated all the fans.

Batman Begins on the other hand was fantastic. Closer to "Legends of the Dark Knight" then the "Batman" comics all the characters were excellent although I didn't care for the chick much and giving a reasoning for everything was cool. Directed by the guy who done Memento so he's got some pedigree.
seanchai

I agree about Constantine, I have em all, and if I'd never read an issue of the series the movie would have been mediocre at best, Batman on the other hand was fan-fucking-tastic. Wedding Crashers was amazing too, but in the spirit of the thread I'll say the worst movie I saw this summer was FF, horrible contrived garbage. Fly by the seat of my pants here...Be Cool was so far under my expectations it barely registed, awful and boring, Alexander was a letdown, and I'm the only one of my friends who hated Napoleon Dynamite with a passion.

LG
08-03-2005, 10:11 AM
I studiously, very intentionally avoid watching films that I suspect may be rubbish, but even after all my efforts, I sometimes find myself watching the odd piece of crap. Here are some that dodged my Crap Movie Detector and tricked me into watching them at the cinema or made their way to my DVD player.

-Constantine was pretty bad
-Alexander was very disappointing
-Be Cool promised so much and delivered so little
-Dreamcatcher from a few years ago was a pile of stale old hokum
-Wrong Turn and Jeepers Creppers, the latter in particular a giant dog turd of a movie, were both disappointly flaccid in the chills and thrills department.


Here are some of the best I've seen of late, in no particular order:

-City of God- Brazilian drama about slum kids involved in crime
-The Motorcycle Diaries- Che Guevara's life changing journey through South America
-Brides- Greek/American coproduction about turn of the last century mail order brides
-Amores Perros- Spanish film with many interconnecting stories
-Nowhere in Africa- German film about a Jewish family in Africa
-Million Dollar Baby- Clint Eastwood's masterful film on a woman boxer
-Memento- Christopher Nolan's gimmicky masterpiece about a man searching for lost clues on his wife's murder
-Big Fish- Tim Burton's fairytale adventure about a dying man telling tall tales
-House of the Flying Daggers- Beautifully filmed romance with brilliant swordplay scenes, similar to Hero and Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
-Shaun of the Dead- Hilarious English horro/comedy
-Love, Actually- Schmaltzy and overcooked it may be, but your girl will love it and you will probably like it too
-Heaven- Kind of weird, but beautiful to watch
-Lost in Translation- Sophia Coppola proves that, though she may be a bad actress, she's a great director
-Frida- Salma Hayek as eccentric and crippled artist Frida Kahlo
-Collateral- Tom Cruise is a hired killer in Michael Mann's nightmarish vision of LA
-Catch me if you can- Counterfeiter and conman Leo di Caprio evades Tom Hanks by becoming a bogus doctor, lawyer and airline pilot
-The Terminal- Tom Hanks is stuck in an airport
-25th Hour- Drug dealer Edward Norton reevalutes his life the day before he is to be locked up
-Dogville- Lars Von Trier's harrowing, brilliantly executed and almost viciously anti-American masterpiece features no sets, just chalk lines describing where they'd be

GroobySteven
08-03-2005, 10:25 AM
Ong-Bak - Thai Warrior
Heaven's Bookstore (Japan)
Kung-Fu Hustle
The Assasination of Richard Nixon.
Wedding Crashers
Supersize Me
Nine Queens (better than the remake "Criminal")
Eulogy

all excellent.

Reddman
08-03-2005, 12:03 PM
Here are some of the best I've seen of late, in no particular order:

-City of God- Brazilian drama about slum kids involved in crime
-The Motorcycle Diaries- Che Guevara's life changing journey through South America
-Brides- Greek/American coproduction about turn of the last century mail order brides
-Amores Perros- Spanish film with many interconnecting stories
-Nowhere in Africa- German film about a Jewish family in Africa
-Million Dollar Baby- Clint Eastwood's masterful film on a woman boxer
-Memento- Christopher Nolan's gimmicky masterpiece about a man searching for lost clues on his wife's murder
-Big Fish- Tim Burton's fairytale adventure about a dying man telling tall tales
-House of the Flying Daggers- Beautifully filmed romance with brilliant swordplay scenes, similar to Hero and Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
-Shaun of the Dead- Hilarious English horro/comedy
-Love, Actually- Schmaltzy and overcooked it may be, but your girl will love it and you will probably like it too
-Heaven- Kind of weird, but beautiful to watch
-Lost in Translation- Sophia Coppola proves that, though she may be a bad actress, she's a great director
-Frida- Salma Hayek as eccentric and crippled artist Frida Kahlo
-Collateral- Tom Cruise is a hired killer in Michael Mann's nightmarish vision of LA
-Catch me if you can- Counterfeiter and conman Leo di Caprio evades Tom Hanks by becoming a bogus doctor, lawyer and airline pilot
-The Terminal- Tom Hanks is stuck in an airport
-25th Hour- Drug dealer Edward Norton reevalutes his life the day before he is to be locked up
-Dogville- Lars Von Trier's harrowing, brilliantly executed and almost viciously anti-American masterpiece features no sets, just chalk lines describing where they'd be

Great list LG. Saw and loved about 60 % of your picks (gotta catch a few others) and they easily made my recent list ---of course i cannot find it right now!!!! Double Ditto especially for two of your picks Amores Perros--- one of my faves of the last few years and City of God. Oh yeah i did see Memento per our exchange in the other thread. Been watching a lot of docs, Asian and Spanish language stuff as of late but here's a quick run down of sorts:

Oldboy (Park Chan-Wook director Korea 2003) revenge drama/mystery
The Saddest Music in the world (Guy Maddin Canadian 2003)
Talk To Her (Pedro Almodóvar dir, Spain 2002) enjoyed it lil more than Bad Education but i was feeling that one too.
****awww hell its late and i could go on and on less details more titles***
The Corporation
Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle
Life And Debt
Kung Fu Hustle
Internal Affairs
Tokyo Godfathers
Eternal Sunshine
the incredibles
bus 174
The Fog of War
28 days later
dirty pretty things
battle royale

love4tranny
08-03-2005, 06:01 PM
Doctor Who has been brilliant in the UK and got good reviews and ratings (Dareleks can now fly!). Christopher Eccleson certainly is better in this than Gone in 60 Seconds (one of the worst films ever). It is going over to BBC America/worldwide soon as the BBC announced new actor as Eccleson does not want to be typecast.

Ecstatic
08-04-2005, 01:53 AM
Doctor Who has been brilliant in the UK and got good reviews and ratings (Dareleks can now fly!). Christopher Eccleson certainly is better in this than Gone in 60 Seconds (one of the worst films ever). It is going over to BBC America/worldwide soon as the BBC announced new actor as Eccleson does not want to be typecast.
Don't you just love the Daleks? The most popular villains in Dr Who history, and about all they've ever done till now is wheel around in those useless black cones with stiff arms spouting out "Exterminate! Exterminate!" Oh, and being defeated by a simple set of stairs. Hilarious! I've always thought a matchup of the Daleks and the Borg would be a howl: "Exterminate!" "Resistance is futile!" Imagine the dialogue, the dramatic tension!

(Actually, my secret SF wish would have been for Tom Baker's TARDIS to materialize onboard the Enterprise, where Mr Spock would raise an eyebrow and utter, "Fascinating.")

The new (10th!) Doctor is David Tennant, confirmed by the BBC on April 16. I'm just biding my time, waiting on the Christopher Eccleston episodes to air over here. The only good part of the Paul McGann Doctor (not that he was bad, as such, but saddled with a lousy script) was the regeneration scene finally allowed to one of my favorite Doctors, Sylvester McCoy.

Anyway, great list, LG. I've seen many of those, but there are many I have yet to see. Can't believe I haven't seen Million Dollar Baby yet. House of Flying Daggers was incredible, a great film...if you trim the final, what, 10 or 15 minutes? It was OK, but ending it sooner would have been much stronger in my mind. Hero was also a good movie, did you catch that one?

chefmike
08-04-2005, 02:27 AM
LG-great list , although some are still on my "to see" list...but what about The Cooler with alec baldwin and the great william h macy?...and don't miss The Black Dahlia with hillary swank, which is supposed to be out around xmas/new year (hopefully)...this is based on the novel of the same name, (about the famous /unsolved hollywood murder-great website also), by the incredible James Ellroy, who also wrote LA Confidential...good movie-but better novel!!

joyboy123
08-04-2005, 04:07 AM
Well, I guess I should go see W of the W then: Cruise rubs me the wrong way, but if you rank it up there with sin city, it must have something going on. I just couldn't bear to see Constantine: I'm a diehard comics buff (Silver Age on) and Hellblazer (John Constantine) is one of the best characters ever developed in comics. Just couldn't bear to see K. Reeves mess with the character. Should have been played by James Marsters, who has the look and the attitude, and, hey, is a punk Brit to boot.

I never cared for the original Wonker; didn't have any of the life of the book by Dahl. I'm willing to give Depp at go at it.

Ecstatic, I absolutely agree with you, they should have cast James Marsters in that role.

Ecstatic
08-04-2005, 05:12 AM
joyboy, I think that seanchai is right that sean bean would've been fine in that role, but yeah, I think it had Marsters written all over it. Consider his age, too: Marsters was born in 1962, making him 43: almost exactly Constantine's age. Everything about him is right for the role. If I ever saw a missed opportunity for great casting, that was it. But Keanu Reeves? Please!

DatNigga4Real
08-04-2005, 05:26 AM
"WAR OF THE WORLDS" WAS MUTHA FUCKING GARBAGE!

DatNigga4Real
08-04-2005, 05:28 AM
I MEAN MUTHA FUCKING THE OLD TRASH UNDERNEATH THE FRESH GARBAGE TYPE GARBAGE. TOM CRUISE SHOULD DIE FOR DAT BULLSHIT AND SPEILBERG GOD DAMN DAT SHIT SUCKED

DatNigga4Real
08-04-2005, 05:40 AM
DAT SHIT WAS FUCKING DOG SHIT, ICE CREAM, BABY DIAPER GARBAGE.............."WAR OF THE WORLDS" = 324293 THUMBS DOWN

switchnyc
08-04-2005, 07:23 AM
Your now talk about the folks that have no original thought (it's not PC) and try (Very Very Very Very Fucking Poorly that).

Sorry you folks (which I find a little higher on the bell curve then most), our society is now in a state of decay from which there will be saving us. I could type this message for the next two to twelve (12) hours. I'm stopping to see what you folks have to say about?


Oh back to the movie issue!

The ten list - no order

10. There are no actors (young) alive no or in the bleak future (sorry) that will ever do it the way the rat pack did (Dean got drunk during an hour TV show)

9. Connery - Bond

8. Fuck Viacom, ClearChannel and Yes I'm, going to say Disney! Walt would be discussed!

7. As hard as they try, they will never be able to bring the incredible world the Stan Lee dreamed up to life. PS you’re not supposed to, it is there to make you dream a bigger dream.

6. Why do I have to proven where every asset that makes my business run, in seventeen or so documents. If you don't understand, I'm talking about 2257, the law that will change every ones life. Not kidding. Just read the last stuff, probably helping to fuel the rant.

5. Why can kids lose at sports any more? Oh, entertainment - movies, I'm back. Reality TV, it was coming soon. I going to use my fifteen minutes of fame here to say 'Next Topic'

4. I travel a lot and do not get me wrong I love this country. You watch the drones follow the rest of the herd, but IT IS the guy how does it right, thinks out side of the box, or does not give up his dream that wins in the long run. Peter Jackson, the couple that made "deep water" (the shark movie) and Tom Hanks (who does what he wants and works hard). I'll try to climb of the soapbox for the last three

3. There is a reason that Wells did it on the radio!

2. What happened to the movies of the late 70 and 80? Funny while stilling pointing of out something. Oh, ya! The cursing, booze, drugs and nudity didn't help them sell!

1. You want to be entertained (or really scared) watch the news.

I think some of the last get movies that sticks out in my head are:

Usual Suspects
Swingers

(The news is fucking with my focus to close this rant I'm on)

Spiderman (original - because they re-cut it for the tem months it was shelved)
of coarse all the work of Evil Empire Productions!
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LG
08-04-2005, 10:01 AM
Glad you liked the list people. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is one I thought about, but I have always found that Jim Carrey's best performance was in The Truman Show. That film is probably on my top ten list of movies but it was to old to include in the list ( as was the beautiful Italian mad La Vita e Bella).

And yes, I've seen Hero, but find that House of the Flying Daggers is just more beautiful visually.

chefmike wrote

what about The Cooler with alec baldwin and the great william h macy?

Toyed with that one too. I think William H Macy is a great actor. Have you seen him also in a film about a travelling salesman called Door to Door? I think that was a TV movie though, but I understand he won an award for his performance (deservedly, too).

Here's another list:
-Haven't seen War of the Worlds, but the last Speilberg- Cruise collaboration I saw, Minority Report was a real cracker.
-Didn't like Revenge of the Sith very much.
-Thought Troy was a bit rubbish (and hugely different from Homer's writings).
-Love everything the Coen Brothers ever made. O' Brother Where Art Thou is a beautifully portrayed Americana take on Homer's Odyssey that reintroduced the plaintive sound of Bluegrass music to the world. The Ladykillers may not be a patch on the original, but it's just so beautiful visually. The man who wasn't there is a flawed masterpiece in many ways. Intorelable Cruelty was kinda disappointing though.
-I always make a point of watching the odd European or foreign-language film on DVD. The Barbarian Invasions, a French language Canadian film about a dying man who invites his friends over to keep him company in his last days is funny, heartwarming and touching. Another one I forgot to put on my list. And of course a lot of American films are based on (often better) foreign films (even Shall We Dance is based on a Japanese film). The Japanese Ringu, on which The Ring is based, is downright terrifying (better than the American film).

Perverted Monk
08-04-2005, 08:05 PM
And of course a lot of American films are based on (often better) foreign films (even Shall We Dance is based on a Japanese film). The Japanese Ringu, on which The Ring is based, is downright terrifying (better than the American film). [/list]


True, the Japanese "Grudge" was pretty creepy too.

chefmike
08-04-2005, 09:56 PM
LI- I saw most of Door to Door when it was on cable and it was great-true story, i believe...Owning Mohowny, with philip seymour hoffman, is worth checking out-also based on true story... you may remember he and macy both in Boogie Nights...and I agree with everything said on coen bros. but I haven't seen Ladykillers yet....and re disturbing foreign films-check out Irreversible with the sexiest GG alive-monica bellucci...you can probably get info on it at imdb.com-great site. I ordered it from barnes and noble, as its unrated and hard to find

Reddman
08-17-2005, 04:43 PM
LI- I saw most of Door to Door when it was on cable and it was great-true story, i believe...Owning Mohowny, with philip seymour hoffman, is worth checking out-also based on true story... you may remember he and macy both in Boogie Nights...and I agree with everything said on coen bros. but I haven't seen Ladykillers yet....and re disturbing foreign films-check out Irreversible with the sexiest GG alive-monica bellucci...you can probably get info on it at imdb.com-great site. I ordered it from barnes and noble, as its unrated and hard to find


http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=41230&highlight=#41230

TomSelis
08-17-2005, 06:05 PM
Bad movies (I try to avoid):
That Se7en rip off (I forgot the name)
Blade: Trinity
Secret Window
Constantine-Keanu Reeves just wasn't right
Saw (I don't know what people see in that movie)
Mr and Mrs Smith
Alexander & Troy

Good Movies:
Four Brothers
Dawn of the Dead
Ichi The Killer
The Audition
Kung Fu Hustle
City of God (very hard to find, but worth finding)
Collateral
Be Cool

BTW James Marsters is American

DatNigga4Real
08-18-2005, 03:42 AM
"City Of God" Is The Shit! Dat Nigga Lil Ze' Was a coldblooded Killer

Also Try "BELLY", "TOP SHOTTAZ", "STATE PROPERTY 1" & "STATE PROPERTY 2"

Ecstatic
08-18-2005, 04:47 AM
BTW James Marsters is American
True, but he plays a Brit so well it's easy to forget that fact. And I still think he's got the look, attitude, age, and everything else to go on with being Constantine, whereas Reeves has...nada.

tsluva
08-28-2005, 12:21 AM
BEST movies i've seen this year :

Sin City

Ong Bak: Thai Warrior

Duece Bigalow 2: European Gigolo

Star Wars : revenge of the sith

Batman: the beginning

Fantastic four

Land of the dead

Wedding crashers

war of the worlds


WORST:

Alone in the dark

Unleashed

Dukes of hazzard

Lords of Dogtown

Cursed

Bewitched

Elektra



sorry i missed them, but i'll rent these on DVD :

cinderella man

house of wax (paris hilton)

skelton key

charlie and the chocolate factory

4 brothers

dark waters

flight of the phoenix

the island

stealth

sahara

tsluva
08-28-2005, 12:32 AM
"City Of God" Is The Shit! Dat N***** Lil Ze' Was a coldblooded Killer

Also Try "BELLY", "TOP SHOTTAZ", "STATE PROPERTY 1" & "STATE PROPERTY 2"


i didn't realize there was a State Property 2 available .
i really like the first one .

i loved City of God ,one of my favorite foreign movies.
it's been out for awhile (available on Netflix )
just wish there was an English-dubbed version .