Ladies visiting Boston.... be careful.

[Bostonsub]

These articles popped up in yesterdays paper!

http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view.bg?articleid=1105340

http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view.bg?articleid=1105338

~bostonsub

[TS DANIELLE FOXXX]

" Fong’s job is to obtain the probable cause required for an arrest. That means he and the hooker must agree on a price. After the dollar figure is decided, then comes the tricky part: finding a way to leave - without raising suspicions that he’s a cop. "

Why would any girl ask a man for money is beyond my comprehension. I rather them leave and not leave me a gift then fall in the hands of men such as "Fong".

You gotta work your woman's intuition ladies.

By the way, your present is much appreciated, but a present that needs to be asked for is no longer a present, it is requested.

If someone mentions anything about money with me they are automatically asked to leave or if it's a phone conversation I hang up.

[Bostonsub]

Great advice Danielle. I was always sorry that I missed you when you came to Boston!!

I noticed in one of the articles that Tiffany Hilton got caught. I've seen here ad a number of times on Eros.com. Kind of scary!

Dave

[flabbybody]

so instead of cruising the mean streets of Boston preventing rapes and street crime, Officer Fong is visiting tranny hookers and busting them on misdemeaner prostitution charges

I wonder if this prick would pull his side piece and identify himself as a PO if he were off- duty in a convenience store and an armed robbery began to unfold.
probably not, but I'm sure he's a real tough dude in court when he's filing charges against the working girls

[trannybanger]

just another reason why this is one of the lamest cities in the U.S.

[BeardedOne]

Sad that this is District 14, with which I have some personal ties in years past. :(

Danielle's note that if compensation is requested it ceases to be a 'gift' is spot on. On the occasion that I have visited with a lady, the currency has never been mentioned. I also have a fair bit of personal mileage under my belt before I meet them, so they can be pretty sure that I am not out to 'catch' them.

There are so many better better ways for LE to ply their trade.

[TS DANIELLE FOXXX]

I never had any issue in Boston expect some girls calling me threatning to beat me up LOL " GET OFF MY CORNER BITCH ! "

I also had a girl speak in her man voice and tell me " How dare you come to boston and not run it through me first bitch? " As if he was a pimp looking to "manage " me...

Funny shit people will do when they feel threatened

[2754tim]

Oh...The Stories I Could Tell.....Some Other Time.

[WendyWilliams]

I have a question,,,,,,,,,,,,what is the difference of posting your "donation" or "gift" on your ad compared to on the phone...........Isnt the amount on your ad enough to bust you?

I know when I got busted in Atlanta, he arrested me as soon as I invited him in.........I was charged with "escorting without a license" and operating a business without a license...........

Just curious, I have never been to Boston and had it planned in 2 weeks, shoulld I not go LOL

[2754tim]

Wendy,Don't Post The Rate...."Generous Gentleman Only"....Boston Is No Better Or Worse Then Any Other City.Be Cool,Discreet And Have Fun

[justatransgirl]

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[Paladin]

I think most cops don't want to bother with TS's unless there are complaints, drugs, or public safety issues. It's too much trouble to deal with us. And the TS escort market is only about 1% of the total, and for the same amount of energy they can bust 50 straights.

not according to that article in Boston; they said 1 in 5 that's 20% !?!

[Shining Star]

One can write all the disclaimers one wishes, and say or not say anything in the presence of LE, however depending upon state law merely "agreeing" to have relations in exchange for funds is prositution.

For instance in NYS the law states "agreement..." and courts have held that agreement can be anything from getting undressed, to offering a condom (why do you think LE takes condoms and such when a prossie is arrested), to taking a "gift" and then having sex. The only way around this is to clearly state the funds, gift, donation or whatever is for another purpose. One prossie in NYC beat her charge because she told the arresting officer (and since all undercover prossing busts are recorded, it was on tape), that she was selling Girl Scout cookies, and that is what she was collecting money for.

Keep in mind state laws also vary in what LE can and cannot do in an undercover prossie sting. In NYS LE cannot totally undress (nude), nor can they physically touch a suspect. However, down in New Orleans, state law allows LE to get butt naked, and touch, so there you go.

As for TS prossing being such a small percentage of working girls/guys, and LE not really wishing to have anything to do with them; I don't know about that. From what one hears, LE in NYC seems to take delight in busting TS and "gay" prossies, and some treat them with more contempt than say your average white female working girl.

As for LE investigating suspect prossies, I've posted before the many ways LE can find out what someone is up to. Even if only visiting, you would be surprised how fast LE knows the deal, especially if hotel employees drop a quarter. Even doing incalls to a hotel, after enough visits hotel employees begin to put two and two together. There are probably only a handful of "chic" and "hip" or "ritzy" hotels wealthy businessmen stay when in NYC, if a girl works long enough, she probably is going to go to the same hotel more than a few times (if she is lucky) a month or year.

Far as states go for working, Boston may be getting bad, but from stories I've heard from girls in Californina, LE there does NOT play. If you get popped, you is doing to do time. It may be a day or only a week, but you is going. Worse LE keeps tabs on recently busted girls since they know once they come out they usually are hard up for money and start working right away to make up for lost time. One girl told me a story of after being arrested and spending time in LA County jail, upon her release and turning on her phone, her first customer was LAPD, so back to jail she went.

[Shining Star]

One can write all the disclaimers one wishes, and say or not say anything in the presence of LE, however depending upon state law merely "agreeing" to have relations in exchange for funds is prostitution.

For instance in NYS the law states "agreement..." and courts have held that agreement can be anything from getting undressed, to offering a condom (why do you think LE takes condoms and such when a prossie is arrested), to taking a "gift" and then having sex. The only way around this is to clearly state the funds, gift, donation or whatever is for another purpose. One prossie in NYC beat her charge because she told the arresting officer (and since all undercover prossing busts are recorded, it was on tape), that she was selling Girl Scout cookies, and that is what she was collecting money for.

Keep in mind state laws also vary in what LE can and cannot do in an undercover prossie sting. In NYS LE cannot totally undress (nude), nor can they physically touch a suspect. However, down in New Orleans, state law allows LE to get butt naked, and touch, so there you go.

As for TS prossing being such a small percentage of working girls/guys, and LE not really wishing to have anything to do with them; I don't know about that. From what one hears, LE in NYC seems to take delight in busting TS and "gay" prossies, and some treat them with more contempt than say your average white female working girl.

As for LE investigating suspect prossies, I've posted before the many ways LE can find out what someone is up to. Even if only visiting, you would be surprised how fast LE knows the deal, especially if hotel employees drop a quarter. Even doing incalls to a hotel, after enough visits hotel employees begin to put two and two together. There are probably only a handful of "chic" and "hip" or "ritzy" hotels wealthy businessmen stay when in NYC, if a girl works long enough, she probably is going to go to the same hotel more than a few times (if she is lucky) a month or year.

Far as states go for working, Boston may be getting bad, but from stories I've heard from girls in California, LE there does NOT play. If you get popped, you is doing to do time. It may be a day or only a week, but you is going. Worse LE keeps tabs on recently busted girls since they know once they come out they usually are hard up for money and start working right away to make up for lost time. One girl told me a story of after being arrested and spending time in LA County jail, upon her release and turning on her phone, her first customer was LAPD, so back to jail she went.

[Justawannabe]

Seems at some point the 'generous gentlemen' wouldn't be specific enough to get the amount you want... but I don't know the business.

That NYS law seems pretty extreme, by that example, an man taking a woman out to dinner and ending up at her place would be actionable prostitution. Can't believe the Supreme Court there went along with that...

Bring a nice bottle of wine over to a girls house when she invites you in and you could be raided? Weird...

Sean

[Shining Star]

There is a difference between going on a date, and or bringing a girl a bottle of wine; sitting down watching TV and whatever, then having relations.


Courts use the "decent respectable woman" standard when deciding prossing cases. If you as a female, invite a total stranger into your residence, and are dressed in lingerie, in a sexy manner, and or have lingerie laid out, and or the house is arranged in a manner as to indicate you are willing or expecting to have sex, then you turn around and ask for a "gift" of $$$, you can pretty much bet you will be charged and probably convicted of prossing.

Happily today due to all the Internet hook-ups going on, there is an easy out. Just say NO you do not want any money and are just having sex for it's own sake. Long as you do not "AGREE" to have sex for money, it is not prossing.

Again, NYS's statue says one must "agree" to be convicted of prossing. Back in the old days agreeing was the haggling back and forth of street walkers, but as things progressed, courts have expanded (in NYS and probably elsewhere as well), what "agreement" means. If you take the money, or even agree to a set amount of money, then proceed to engage in sexual acts, under NYS law that is prossing. NYS law does NOT state money has to change hands, only that an agreement was reached.

The above poster is correct in saying, and many high end girls follow her lead in NEVER discussing money and not asking for nor taking any of same until after sex is over. Any girl who answers emails or telephone calls regarding her rates and services it a total eggit IMHO. Old school girls NEVER said such things, but today girls make it almost like shooting fish in a barrel for LE.

The "respectable" theory grew out of the "if it walks like a duck, talks, like a duck..." way of deciding if a girl was on the game. Back in the days of street walkers cops would observe the behaviour of women/girls on the street. Women of good moral character would never stop and engage in intimate conversations with men they did not know. They certainly did not get into said man's carriage, car, or go away with them. Good girls also dressed like "ladies" when in public. Street walkers in various times throughout history in various countries sought to evade the last bit by trying to fool the police in dressing and acting like a "lady" . In this manner they hoped to get to the better areas of town where prossing was NOT tolerated, and make better dates. A prossie might wear the latest gowns, but with bright red petticoats, which signalled (hopefully quietly), to a man on the look out the woman was no lady and on the game.

As for the Supreme Court, there isn't a constitutional issue involved. If one is arrested there will be a trial (assuming one does not plead guilty), and the state presents it's evidence. It is here that I've seen many girls gobsmacked with evidence collected. Online and or print adverts, records of complaints from neighbours detailing "men coming in and out ...at all hours), taped telephone conversations and emails (and not just the ones from the time of arrest), previous criminal record (if any), and finally statements from LE themselves. One better be Sandra Dee or Doris Day to get out of that situation. This is why the best girls always have the best attorneys they can afford. This does not always keep them out of jail as the recent Elliot Spitzer saga proves. Everyone from the prossie, bookers, owner of the agency and a few others have plead guilty and are going to do time. This with using codes like "customer 999" and other ruses.

So you see at the end of the day, it is what it is. You can call it whatever you like to get to sleep at night, but if you take money for sex, (or agree to), that is all she wrote. If you ever want a good read, go down to Mid-Town Community Court in Manhattan NYC or even Criminal Court down town and read the transcripts of prossing cases. Most are so cut and dry it isn't funny.

[Justawannabe]

I see where I misread your first post above... it had to do with missing 'funds' before 'gifts', I was reading it as ANY gift could be construed as payment. And I was think of the number of folks I've known who have done the one night 'hook-ups' with people they met through online ads, no prostitution involved.

The constitutional issue I saw was vaguely worded law, or two broadly worded law, where completely legal activities could be construed as illegal just by painting them in a slightly different light. That kind of law rarely makes it past a few cases. But I can see where most cases wouldn't draw the attention necessary to get the required attention.

Thanks for the reply though...

Sean

[justatransgirl]

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[Shining Star]

Think part of the above may be that many GG's escorts, and probably gay male escorts, have other ways of earning/getting money than escorting; or do not have to run adverts all the time. OTHO there are quite a few trannies for whom escorting is the only thing bringing in cash. This last bit can also factor into arrest rates, as escorts with cash reserves, and or some other way of making money can turn down dates that don't feel "right", or lay low when the heat in on. Others who don't have that luxury have to work their phones and take their chances.


As for TG escorts being busted more often, could it also be that trannie escorts just by nature of being themselves, attract more attention? Or, people not liking trannies, so they call LE to complain about behaviour that might not offend if it was a GG?

[Ecstatic]

Just curious, I have never been to Boston and had it planned in 2 weeks, shoulld I not go LOL
Wendy, one thing to note is that these busts are in Brighton (District 14, Allston/Brighton), which is a transient neighborhood with many college students and immigrants. All the visiting tgirls I've known for years have stayed in the best hotels in the Financial District, Copley Sq, Back Bay and similar locations. If you and your clientel are discreet, those locations should not pose any problem (and I have not heard of any). Fong and his ilk are looking to bust "movable" brothels, where a number of women work in a residential neighborhood, with the major source of complaints coming from other residents in the neighborhood.

Note that the first article states "Each potential bust begins online. Fong trolls the adult classifieds on Web sites such as craigslist.com and Eros.com looking for unlucky targets in the Allston-Brighton neighborhood." Back Bay, the Financial District, and other locations are not Fong's targets.

Also, the second article states "described roving cathouses in Brighton and Allston run by pimps who rent apartments and houses with upwards of 10 rooms, rotating prostitutes every week to 10 days." This is a wholly different kind of sting against a related, but quite distinct, crime.

Great advice, Danielle. Though it's been a couple of years since I've last visited an escort, I would always simply leave an unmarked envelope on the dresser or desk with my gift inside. Nothing said, nothing exchanging hands directly. Some girls would pick it up right away, others would simply leave it be until after the session.

The articles are rife with erroneous presumptions and silly errors:

"Fong arranges a meeting through a pimp who’s inevitably at the other end of an ad." Every escort I've known has been a free agent. This again points to the brothel setup, not the solo working girl.

The insulting reference to a TS escort as "he": "Take the case of Mauro R. Cruz, 27, aka Tiffany Hilton...." Just because she's a working girl she doesn't deserve the dignity of proper gender reference?

And this gem:

"A detective’s work as an undercover ‘john’ busting Brighton brothels is not for the feint of heart." What, is Fong a fencing expert? Ah, spellcheck....

[2754tim]

justatransgirl wrote

There's another sure fire way to avoid the money for sex thing - just ask him to give you a bj before discussing anything. If he does and he's a cop, well then you're going to jail, but he's got to face his wife and minister and other officers with what he did. I'd rather go to jail...
Or Have Him Touch Your Cock.Like Estactic Said,Stay In A Nice Hotel,
Not Some Borderline Shithole.Be Discreet,Above All.Boston's A Nice City.
Bear In Mind That This Action Is Being Done In 1 Area,And It's Not Downtown

[BeardedOne]

Wendy, one thing to note is that these busts are in Brighton (District 14, Allston/Brighton), which is a transient neighborhood with many college students and immigrants.

And Joe Kennedy, but I s'pose he could qualify as an immigrant. :D

[Ecstatic]

And Joe Kennedy, but I s'pose he could qualify as an immigrant. :D

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[2754tim]

And To Be Fair,There Has Been A TON Of Ripoffs And Scams Coming
From Craig's List. So That Ruins All Of It For The Honest Girls.
There Has Been A Huge Influx Of Out Of Town Girls Setting Up Shop Here.
Does That Have Anything To Do With It? I Don't Know.
It's Tourist And Convention Time Up Here And That Means $$$$ For Everyone. And Like I Stated Before,Boston Isn't Any Better Or Worse Then Any Other Major City. I'll Bet That Story Got Tossed In The Paper To
Keep Everyone On Their Toes.
Back In The Day When They Used To Have The "Combat Zone",The Boston Police Had A Unit Called The "Vice Control Unit".They Are Both Long Gone. Don't Be Paranoid,Be Smart And Careful.

[BeardedOne]

Back In The Day When They Used To Have The "Combat Zone",...

Some of my fondest childhood memories are of being coddled by the girls at the clubs when I went down to meet my dad when he got off work. He'd get one for the road and I'd be everyone's darling, always wondering why the straw in my Coke was so small (Swizzle sticks). Maybe that's why I get such a warm, fuzzy feeling when I go into a nudie bar. :D

[Bunzee]

it's really pathetic, why don't the cops spend their efforts on fighting real crime...i mean puh-lease, who are these girls hurting? they are just selling a good time why is that illegal...

i think prostitution should be legalized everywhere...girls could be required to get a licence, get tested...and things would be much better...

[2754tim]

Bearded 1 Wrote

Some of my fondest childhood memories are of being coddled by the girls at the clubs when I went down to meet my dad when he got off work. He'd get one for the road and I'd be everyone's darling, always wondering why the straw in my Coke was so small (Swizzle sticks). Maybe that's why I get such a warm, fuzzy feeling when I go into a nudie bar


Remember,"Hey Baby,Buy Me A Drink?" Drink Being Ginger Ale With A Cherry For $25.00. And That Was Back In The 70's And 80's.Hah!

[skaterboisandiego]

And this is why i NEVER pay for sex. EVER.
It's just too damn risky.

[TS DANIELLE FOXXX]

And this is why i NEVER pay for sex. EVER.
It's just too damn risky.

You willing to put that in writting sir?

[2754tim]

Well,It Used To Look Like This

[Bostonsub]

Well,It Used To Look Like This

My friends and I use to try to sneak into the Pilgirm in high school. We got into the peep booths when the guy felt generous and wanted to give a few 14 yr olds a thrill! Probably on the slow days...lol

Thanks for the pics!!!

[Lick UR Lovely]

" Fong’s job is to obtain the probable cause required for an arrest. That means he and the hooker must agree on a price. After the dollar figure is decided, then comes the tricky part: finding a way to leave - without raising suspicions that he’s a cop. "

Why would any girl ask a man for money is beyond my comprehension. I rather them leave and not leave me a gift then fall in the hands of men such as "Fong".

You gotta work your woman's intuition ladies.

By the way, your present is much appreciated, but a present that needs to be asked for is no longer a present, it is requested.

If someone mentions anything about money with me they are automatically asked to leave or if it's a phone conversation I hang up.

I couldn't help but notice your new avatar/pic, it's very very HOT!

[daidone]

I actually met Danielle Foxx in Boston a few years back, probably one of the best nights i ever had. She is an angel, truly.

I'm not from the city, but there are a lot of scams and criminals praying on unsuspecting "johns". Cl is infected with fake ad's. I hear horror stories of people getting robbed, set-up, ripped-off by girls who's pimp is in the closet or next door with a few guys waiting, etc.

But ever TS I ever met was in Boston, and I never really had a problem.

[2754tim]

A Few More

[skaterboisandiego]

And this is why i NEVER pay for sex. EVER.
It's just too damn risky.

You willing to put that in writting sir?

I'll put it in writing. The only girls I sleep with are my significant others. I've NEVER paid for sex. NEVER will. I can get sex without paying for it...

And I'm not talking about taking a girl to dinner and after she lays down and we fuck... I'm talking about buying a hooker ;)

[BeardedOne]

I'm talking about buying a hooker

You can never buy a hooker, you can only rent them. :wink:

[tghtpussybitch]

I think most cops don't want to bother with TS's unless there are complaints, drugs, or public safety issues. It's too much trouble to deal with us. And the TS escort market is only about 1% of the total, and for the same amount of energy they can bust 50 straights.

not according to that article in Boston; they said 1 in 5 that's 20% !?!


I agree with justatrsngirl,, cops dont really bust tladies as much,, before when I worked on transexual category never got arrested 7 years not 1 arrest after getting my pussy 5 years in female category arrested 5 times from chicago, new york, atlanta,,

worse one atlanta got hit with prostitution & sodomy simply because the cop ask me if I would suck him off while he was slapping by booty and I was like yeah yeah yeah wateveah that yeah yeah w.e got me a sodomy case I hate atlanta BOMB THAT STUPID TOWN n on top you dont get release since your a high risk fly..

[tghtpussybitch]

it's really pathetic, why don't the cops spend their efforts on fighting real crime...i mean puh-lease, who are these girls hurting? they are just selling a good time why is that illegal...

i think prostitution should be legalized everywhere...girls could be required to get a licence, get tested...and things would be much better...


I dont like the idea of legalize prostitution simply because you get branded as a hooker maybe one day you want to stop and do something else.

Prostitution should be DECRIMINALIZE you shouldn't be arrested nor persecuted for having adult fun.

[Shining Star]

it's really pathetic, why don't the cops spend their efforts on fighting real crime...i mean puh-lease, who are these girls hurting? they are just selling a good time why is that illegal...

i think prostitution should be legalized everywhere...girls could be required to get a licence, get tested...and things would be much better...


I dont like the idea of legalize prostitution simply because you get branded as a hooker maybe one day you want to stop and do something else.

Prostitution should be DECRIMINALIZE you shouldn't be arrested nor persecuted for having adult fun.So what makes you think just because prossing is illegal, someone who is on the game, then stops won't be known as a "former prostitute", or "former sex worker", or "ex-prostitute, etc?

You see it in the media all the time, even today the "former stripper" connected with A-Rod is having her business spread all over. Indeed most all media reports refer to the woman as a "ex-stripper".

Many, many, many former working girls have left the life, and gone on to other things, only to have their past means of employment discovered, and now are referred to as above.

If one has ever been arrested for prossing charges, then all bets are off. Most all media outlets have one or two of those "find out anything about anyone" websites/companies on their books. All they, or anyone else for that matter has to do is give your name, and a few minutes later a court record search will tell all.

[icarus2112]

I noticed in one of the articles that Tiffany Hilton got caught. I've seen here ad a number of times on Eros.com. Kind of scary!

Dave

Too bad about tiffany getting busted, Ive never been with her but have partied with her a few times here in Seattle. I wonder if Seattle PD might find out and try to haver her extradited here to Seattle due to some issues back a few months ago. It was assumed she ran to Mexico with her boyfriend to avoid him getting busted for an assault.

[SarahG]

Our country since it started the big "war on drugs" has defined a sale (in the legal system) as a change in possession. If I give an undercover cop some contraband, even if it is totally free, no exchange of goods, services, money etc- I'm still busted for distribution/sale. That legal principle is, AFAIK, all across the board (not just for drug crime cases anymore). If I were to venture a guess in the dark, that's why having money or property change hands is such an issue now, in ways that weren't as true 30+ years ago. It might not always matter if a donation is a donation or not, if there is a change in money or property then in the eyes of the law it's a sale.

The other thing you have to keep in mind, undercover cases do not always require having the video & audio tapes. It can help make their case in court (they say a picture is worth a thousand words, in a pros case I'd imagine it helps the prosecution of these cases to show conservative judges girls that are all 'whored out', similar to the way defenses for rape cases used to go around pointing out how 'slutty the victim was dressed at the time'), but they don't have to provide that information. There is nothing to stop them from destroying the tapes and making it a "he said, she said" case where the jury & judge will almost always go along with the police (and it's not like our legal system ever finds trans parties to be credible, even when it's outside of criminal court...). I would think that this bias in the legal system tempts some PDs to go after trans entertainers in ways that aren't always the case for straight GGs. The conviction rates are probably much higher, although I don't have any numbers to support that argument offhand.



That NYS law seems pretty extreme, by that example, an man taking a woman out to dinner and ending up at her place would be actionable prostitution. Can't believe the Supreme Court there went along with that...

Bring a nice bottle of wine over to a girls house when she invites you in and you could be raided? Weird...

Sean

NYS has never had a problem taking illogical positions like that when dealing with law enforcement issues, especially if those issues have a political component (like the war on crime/guns/violence/sex crimes/drugs)

Wasn't NY the first state in the country to violate double jeopardy for people convicted in sex crimes?



I agree with justatrsngirl,, cops dont really bust tladies as much,, before when I worked on transexual category never got arrested 7 years not 1 arrest after getting my pussy 5 years in female category arrested 5 times from chicago, new york, atlanta,,

worse one atlanta got hit with prostitution & sodomy simply because the cop ask me if I would suck him off while he was slapping by booty and I was like yeah yeah yeah wateveah that yeah yeah w.e got me a sodomy case I hate atlanta BOMB THAT STUPID TOWN n on top you dont get release since your a high risk fly..

If the statistics out there on how prevalent transsexualism is are any accurate, the reason why trans girls get busted less might be based on there being fewer trans people in the population.

I thought the supreme court overturned those southern sodomy laws? Is it still on your record?

[TsVanessa69]

Just when I was planning on visiting Boston!!

[Ecstatic]

Just when I was planning on visiting Boston!!

Vanessa, as I noted above (page 2 of thread), "one thing to note is that these busts are in Brighton (District 14, Allston/Brighton), which is a transient neighborhood with many college students and immigrants. All the visiting tgirls I've known for years have stayed in the best hotels in the Financial District, Copley Sq, Back Bay and similar locations. If you and your clientel are discreet, those locations should not pose any problem (and I have not heard of any). Fong and his ilk are looking to bust "movable" brothels, where a number of women work in a residential neighborhood, with the major source of complaints coming from other residents in the neighborhood."

IOW, if you're booked in a good hotel downtown and are fairly discrete, you'll have no problem.