Do Transsexuals ever think about the future?

[Slither]

The Camilla De Castro story got me wondering about if Transsexuals ever think about how their lives are going to be in the future? What I mean is.. it seems like most of the original TS stars from the past couple of decades are virtually all gone.. having passed away from various diseases, drug deaths, suicide, etc. or just flat out disappearing

So I guess what I'm trying to say is.. most of the TS stars we see today are in their 20's and getting tons and tons of plastic surgery to all different parts of their body.. what happens when they hit their 30s and 40s? What do you girls expect to happen with your lifes? Just endless cycles of plastic surgery? Settling down with a man? Obviously a TS girl won't age as "gracefully" as most real women will.. and once they get a little too old they will just be replaced on the porn scene by the younger girls.

I dont mean this question to be demeaning at all, it's just something i've honestly wondered.

[Quinn]

An interesting and relevant thread. It has been my experience that the vast majority of people in general do not really think about their future – let alone actually plan for it. Living in NYC and having dated a number of TS ladies here, I can say that the problem seems more pronounced among this community than most. As with any generalization, there are obviously exceptions. Still, if you think about all of the concerns and pressures associated with adopting a different gender, it is easy to see how one could loose sight of their future while attempting to cope with the present.

-Quinn

[DatNigga4Real]

WOW........This is a good ass question. I know of one Tranny now, shes 40 and she had a heart attack from all the plastic surgery she has had in her ass and everywhere else. And she still out there sellin her booty. Most of these trannies will probably look like shit when they hit 35 or just look like a damn doll with too much plastic and fake shit on there face. But hey, just like regular girls dat are addicted to surgery they tend to fuck they self up in the future. I just hope this doesn't happen to the Trannies i call my friends, You know who you all are.

[TominNYC]

Great Job Guys...A beautiful TS girl takes her own life and you take this opportunity to remind all the TS girls on this site that they have a bleak future ??? Fu@k You you insensitive pricks !!!

[Slither]

It's not even about that, but it's a serious question that they are going to have to face at some point and I only ask because I worry about the future of a lot of these girls.

[SexxxyJade]

I don't really have a comment on the thread other than, I live my life one day at a time just like everyone else. I go by the theory of " What is ment to be will be", I can only hope and pray for the best.
But my question to you all is : What are you doing as Tranny lovers/admireres...and most importantly, as men, to help girls like myself plan for the future? Besides sex us?

[Slither]

Well Jade that's a good question and one I'll answer later in this post, but I know if I do it now this thing will veer way off topic so I want to get some responses from other girls first before that.

[hwbs]

i have to disagree about the aging part....i know a few ts that are like my mothers age and they look like they are 20 years younger....i think it comes down more to surgery choices and if they really take care of themselves....

[SexxxyJade]

i have to disagree about the aging part....i know a few ts that are like my mothers age and they look like they are 20 years younger....i think it comes down more to surgery choices and if they really take care of themselves....


Also has alot to do with lifestyle choices, like prostituting, and drugs. All this can really take its tole on a persons body. And unfortunately a whole lotta TS tend to resort to these things...for thier own reasons i guess.

[mixedprettyboy]

WOW........This is a good ass question. I know of one Tranny now, shes 40 and she had a heart attack from all the plastic surgery she has had in her ass and everywhere else. And she still out there sellin her booty. Most of these trannies will probably look like shit when they hit 35 or just look like a damn doll with too much plastic and fake shit on there face. But hey, just like regular girls dat are addicted to surgery they tend to fuck they self up in the future. I just hope this doesn't happen to the Trannies i call my friends, You know who you all are.

yeah dawg. I'd imagine taking hormones for lengthy periods of time can take a toll on the body after awhile too.

[Ecstatic]

I don't really have a comment on the thread other than, I live my life one day at a time just like everyone else. I go by the theory of " What is ment to be will be", I can only hope and pray for the best.
But my question to you all is : What are you doing as Tranny lovers/admireres...and most importantly, as men, to help girls like myself plan for the future? Besides sex us?
I think it's one thing to live your life one day at a time, and another to not plan for the future. Put it this way: live each day as if it's your last (that is, fully), but plan for the future you want to have, including setting money aside for that future. If you only "hope and pray" and don't prepare for the best (and worst), then 10 or 20 years from now could be a very unpleasant place for you to be.

As for what we do as Tranny lovers/admirers/men to help you plan for the future: is there a charity we can donate to? LOL. Seriously, the very first thing some of us do--those of us who seek a Tgirl's company as an escort--is to offer the girl's donation "in exchange for her time", a high rate that few of us can compete with on an hourly basis (unless we're high powered lawyers or the like). That's potentially a lot of scratch, and what a girl does with it is up to her. Yes, as in any business, you have to invest back in the business (nice clothes and accessorization--define it yourself--to enhance your business ops), but also put it aside for the future.

If a guy gets to know a girl well and becomes a regular client, two things can happen: first, she will earn more by way of repeat business, and second, such a guy can offer his support in whatever way helps her further her goals. This includes simply and directly helping to promote her escorting by writing good reviews for her on SER, TER, or promoting her here, but also offering your help wherever possible (photoshoots if you're a photographer, assistance with improving her website if you're a web designer/developer, help with her business plans if you're a businessman and she wants to develop a new business outside her escorting, etc.). There's lots we can do, if you want it. Some wealthy men might offer to be sugar daddies for their favorite girl(s), but I wonder if that's a very helpful approach in terms of personal growth, regardless of its monetary advantages.

[tsarielblue]

AWWW I AM APPALLED. ARE WE NOT JUDGEMENTAL....

[BlackAdder]

Damn....Im very sorry to here about Ms. Castro....I thought she was a lovely girl:(... Most TS girls ive met are addicted to the fast cash for sex lifestyle..Even the ones ive asked to settle down and try forming a normal dating relationship have turned it down....Id be more then willing to support a TS girl if she would give up the that lifestyle and be a bit more conventional, and I believe theres plenty of other guys who would as well.....

Black Adder

[SexxxyJade]

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As for what we do as Tranny lovers/admirers/men to help you plan for the future: is there a charity we can donate to? LOL. Seriously, the very first thing some of us do--those of us who seek a Tgirl's company as an escort--is to offer the girl's donation "in exchange for her time", a high rate that few of us can compete with on an hourly basis (unless we're high powered lawyers or the like). That's potentially a lot of scratch, and what a girl does with it is up to her. Yes, as in any business, you have to invest back in the business (nice clothes and accessorization--define it yourself--to enhance your business ops), but also put it aside for the future.


The type of "help" i was talking about was far from financial. In society the backbone to every woman is a man and vice versa. In normal heterosexual relationships men are always looked at as the provider, the supporter, the one who wears the pants. As TS we don't have that same advantage as GG's do, hell we can't even marry you guys legally. What I ment by "help" was more pretaining to what you said at the end of ur reply, about moral support, guidance, and all that. Im sure many tranny lovers are Doctors, Lawyers, Investment brokers, In whatever you do, Im sure there is some kinda advice you can lend to a girl in our lifestyle to help better herself. Sad but true but the majority of TS lovers aren't looking or can't pursue a relationship with a TS. To make up for this lack of interest, courage, or whatever your issue may be, what Im saying is not only admire your fav TS, but befriend her as well.....because trust me, that friendship will hold a whloe lot more value than your monetary donation, or your occasional "sex-a pades".

[happyjack]

Jada,Do I ask you to worry about my future?why would I worry about someone elses life that I have no control over?and because most ts girls put themselves out the as sex objects and get treated that way,why complain,,,they seem happy when they get taken out to dinner or paid for their services,,,so plan ahead

[Ecstatic]

The type of "help" i was talking about was far from financial.
Which was why I responded in more than a financial way, although the way you originally posed your question suggested a financial form of help:

But my question to you all is : What are you doing as Tranny lovers/admireres...and most importantly, as men, to help girls like myself plan for the future? Besides sex us?
I do think it's a very real question, both financially and personally (including lifestyle, romance, LTR or even marriage, etc.).

In society the backbone to every woman is a man and vice versa.
I respectfully disagree. This is the commonplace and most often desired situation, but far from universal. For many men the backbone is another man, for many women another woman, and for some, no other person at all (though I personally would find that a very lonely choice). But I doubt you really meant it that way; I think that "a significant other" covers the bases.


In normal heterosexual relationships men are always looked at as the provider, the supporter, the one who wears the pants. As TS we don't have that same advantage as GG's do, hell we can't even marry you guys legally.
Not always. Again, this is a stereotype. Often the woman in a relationship is the provider, out-earning the man by a wide margin. I'm a professional webmaster and make a decent income, but my wife is a software engineer and has out-earned me every year in the past decade but one. And she hates skirts and dresses, lol. But in many ways I am the provider: I'm the one who tackles home improvements and repairs, heavy yardwork, etc. Yet I also do the laundry! So I think there's a societal bias as you indicate, but far from absolute.

As for being able to marry "us guys," I'm assuming that's because you would be seen as "same sex" (despite appearances), and in Massachusetts you can marry us! (Well, not plural; polygamy is not allowed.) Also in Canada, Belgium, the Netherlands, and I believe Spain and the UK (or soon if not yet).

And if you can legally change your sex to female, as I've heard is the case in CA, then you should be able to marry there as well, no?


What I ment by "help" was more pretaining to what you said at the end of ur reply, about moral support, guidance, and all that.
Thanks, I'm glad you picked up on that. And thank you for a thoughtful, thought-provoking post, Jada. I do strive to do what I can for the girls who are important to me. Unfortunately, as a "john" there's usually a barrier preventing any real connection beyond money: but not always.


Im sure many tranny lovers are Doctors, Lawyers, Investment brokers, In whatever you do, Im sure there is some kinda advice you can lend to a girl in our lifestyle to help better herself. Sad but true but the majority of TS lovers aren't looking or can't pursue a relationship with a TS. To make up for this lack of interest, courage, or whatever your issue may be, what Im saying is not only admire your fav TS, but befriend her as well.....because trust me, that friendship will hold a whloe lot more value than your monetary donation, or your occasional "sex-a pades".
You are absolutely right, and I know this firsthand. And it goes both ways. Because I'm seen as a "trick" when I call an escort (nature of the game), it's very hard to get to friendship, but I have, and I know you're right. It would violate trust to go into details, but yes, I have supported a dear TS friend of mine in totally non-sexual, non-client ways, and she has me, as well. I value her friendship extremely highly. And even if friendship doesn't emerge, I always treat any girl I visit with the utmost respect.

[Quinn]

Jade,

You have asked the following question: “What are you doing as Tranny lovers/admirers . . . to help girls like myself plan for the future?” For my part, I offer the TS ladies with whom I share a close friendship the same financial/economic guidance I offer any of my close friends who want it – and I work running my own investment company.

The facts are as follows:

1) Today, it takes two incomes to maintain the standard of living that one income used to maintain in the year 1980. This is because the cost of living is rising much faster than the average person’s income – resulting in many people “slipping through the cracks.”

2) If you do not come from old money – which I define as comprising at least three generations of established wealth – you are at a pronounced disadvantage relative to those who possess this type of wealth to begin with. This means that those of us seeking to build substantial first generation wealth need to be twice as smart with our finances as those who come from old money. Regardless of what anyone tells you, investing is often a zero-sum game; for you to make money, someone else will likely have to loose money.

3) Most people who appear to live a comfortable lifestyle (ie. driving a Mercedes, living in a nice house or two, and maybe keeping a boat or something) can’t actually afford that lifestyle. The majority of people I know who live this way don’t actually own any of it and are in debt up to their ass trying to maintain a successful image. Keeping up with the Joneses is precisely the type of behavior that will ensure you do not retire comfortably. If you don’t own something outright, then you don’t own it; the bank does, and that means it can be easily taken from you.

4) The massive deficits this nation's government maintains are likely cause a serious depression by the year 2012. I could elaborate as to why this is, but I have decided to spare you more lengthy babbling :)

For women seeking to adopt a different gender – which gets very expensive, particularly when you take into account the range of plastic surgeries that usually accompanies this process – preparing for your financial future is harder still. The few TS friends I do have that escort state this as being their primary reason for escorting.

Living for today is important, and many people will tell you that money does not buy happiness. They are correct, but the fact is that money does buy peace of mind and it does buy options. The decisions we make today determine the quality of life we will enjoy later on.

-Quinn

[Caleigh]

I think it comes down to lifestyle choices very simply.
In the past month I met socially with 2 post-op women
who are both well educated and have very decent
"straight" jobs. They both transitioned before they had the surgery so being post-op or not did not determine their employment, it was their life choices.

I'm not dissing any lifestyle but there are ramifications to everything. If you don't get a decent education then your options for employment are fewer. I know some girls who are working as escorts ARE getting educations at the same time and have futures planned out for themselves, others don't.

I have to say that I did get the feeling that the sentiment for this thread seemed to be one of concern by an "admirer" for the future of some of the women he has known (virtually or otherwise).

[SexxxyJade]

Jada,Do I ask you to worry about my future?why would I worry about someone elses life that I have no control over?and because most ts girls put themselves out the as sex objects and get treated that way,why complain,,,they seem happy when they get taken out to dinner or paid for their services,,,so plan ahead

I'm normally very reserved and lady like in my posts and replies, me being from the south this is how i was raised. But i think your reply calls for my other characteristics.
No I dont ask you or any man to worry about me, I worry about myself and hope you do the same, but this thread is focused on what we can to ( ts and ts admirers) for each other, to better our future. You post this selfish reply, implying that you care nothing about anyone but yourself and i should do the same. Well buddy if everyone thought like you this world would be a sad place. Its all about helpiing people. rather it be finacially or otherwise. Ts may be seen as "sex objects" but they should also be seen as people to and treated that way. Men like you make girls have such digust for men, so selfish, so closed minded, so....,,..sad. I HAVE NEVERRRRR :roll:

[happyjack]

Jada,so sorry if I came off as closed minded or mean,actually,i'm a pretty nice guy,i like to help people,lend a hand when i can.if I can find a girl who is open minded and actually cared to open up about her future(AS YOU HAVE)I would definately support her in any way i could....sorry about the misunderstanding

[SexxxyJade]

Jada,so sorry if I came off as closed minded or mean,actually,i'm a pretty nice guy,i like to help people,lend a hand when i can.if I can find a girl who is open minded and actually cared to open up about her future(AS YOU HAVE)I would definately support her in any way i could....sorry about the misunderstanding

Its cool

[Jhellis978]

Isn't it funny how many of the more "famous" transsexuals that frequent this site did not respond to this?

I've always felt that the "transsexual cause" is the "ignored cause." Transsexuals must first end their envy for one another and start helping each other out before their futures can be any brighter. The untimely passing of the ts in question in this post, should serve as a wake up call to the community.

Matthew Shepherd gets murdered and they make a Tony award winning play about it.

A young transsexual gets murdered and her story barely breaks the local news.

Every other minority group in America has some sort of voice in Washington. I'm sure there is some ts advocacy groups, lobbying politicians, but their voice is not being heard.

In the "Beltway", money talks. The transsexual, adult entertainment industry is booming. Many girls on this site make a ton of money doing what they do. Wouldn't it be just to pump some of that money back into the community?

Start a scholarship fund for young transgendereds.

Start PAC's.

Fund political candidates that support your positions.

Get out and vote!

Since being involved in a relationship with a ts, advocacy has become a passion of mine.

I've written extensively on the issue and would love to battle harder.

[Ecstatic]

Thanks for posting that link, Arianna. That's the site I was looking to reference the other day in response to another thread about successful TS in fields other than adult entertainment/escorting, but I hadn't bookmarked it. And TSsuccesses puts the lie to the concept that all the beautiful Tgirls are in the sex industry, as there are quite a few beautiful women there who are not.

LOL @ your sig photo!

[Jhellis978]

There seems to be quite a divide between the transsexuals of the professional world and those of the entertainment world.

Each group, in their own way, seems to look down on the other. That's what we need to eliminate.

[MacShreach]

There seems to be quite a divide between the transsexuals of the professional world and those of the entertainment world.

Each group, in their own way, seems to look down on the other. That's what we need to eliminate.

That's true with GG as well though-- lots of female porn stars really looked down on tricking till a few of them started at places like the Bunny Ranch and they figured how much money there was in it.....

[Vicki Richter]

There seems to be quite a divide between the transsexuals of the professional world and those of the entertainment world.

Each group, in their own way, seems to look down on the other. That's what we need to eliminate.

I don't feel that way at all. I just see a huge amount of greed and waste going on in the sex industry and it's a community that doesn't want to help itself. There are guys (some in this forum) who have gotten wealthy off the TS sex worker and they are the ones who should be giving back. They are the ones who could make more of a difference. The girls should be saving for a rainy day.

I'd love to see a PAC of transsexual sex workers. Sure that would go far.

[rvince]

What are you doing as Tranny lovers/admireres...and most importantly, as men, to help girls like myself plan for the future? Besides sex us?

I promote the websites of a few of them... and I chat with them to help her improve it.... (ok, not impressive, but it's more than most ts fans I hope)

[lar2564]

good job

[MacShreach]

Isn't it funny how many of the more "famous" transsexuals that frequent this site did not respond to this?
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Whoa horsey. Both Vicki Richter and Allanah Starr, who I think qualify, have made comment on "TS provision for the future." With respect, maybe they didn't respond to your thread because they feel they've said their pieces.