Congrats Barack............................

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

A little late in the day
but well deserved
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/POLITICS/06/03/election.democrats/t1wide.obama.02.ap.jpg

[unctrld1]

Welcome Barack . . . JWBlack!!!!!

[Legend]

A historic event!

[hondarobot]

Ah, fuck, I guess we're all stuck here.

:?

[Alyssa87]

im looking foward to his inaugural speech in January.

[Thatiger23]

BARACK FTW

[envivision]

im looking foward to his inaugural speech in January.


Whose? John McCain?

[Alyssa87]

im looking foward to his inaugural speech in January.


Whose? John McCain?

Not a chance Billy-Bob.

[DCGuy343]

Congratulations!!! :claps :claps :claps

[andyuk]

as a brit,got to say he comes across well

[antney]

its a celebration!!

[El Nino]

House Keeping

[Legend]

************

[Quinn]

Serious congrats.

-Quinn

[El Nino]

server overload I guess. This is rare. It's not rhetoric btw. Try again later if you want. Take a look at his current cabinet members; they are international globalist who are in favor of a New World Order.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Obama and McCain are two side of the same coin. Both server their corporate masters and are just front men to give you all the idea that you still have a choice. It doesn't matter who wins; the wars will go on and you will continually have your Constitutional freedoms stripped away. Laugh at me now, but remember that some of us warned you, and that some of us weren't duped by the mainstream media!

Learn the Truth www.Truthnews.us El nino you are so smart, obviously they didn't look at Obama's backers lol

[El Nino]

Aww, thanks Kel. You're quite the whippersnapper yourself!

[That_1_Guy]

im looking foward to his inaugural speech in January.


Whose? John McCain?

Not a chance Billy-Bob.

McCain already has a strong following with Democrats because he is more liberal than conservative, which has angered many Republicans. The Hilary clan will for the most part vote for McCain because of the dislike for Obama. The same Conservative Republicans that are angered with McCain aren't going to vote for Obama...I'm not going there.

Do the math...McCain will be making that inaugural speech in January. The thing most seem not to understand is that the next President will not make much of a difference. Too much corruption in the rest of the government.

[Legend]

im looking foward to his inaugural speech in January.


Whose? John McCain?

Not a chance Billy-Bob.

McCain already has a strong following with Democrats because he is more liberal than conservative, which has angered many Republicans. The Hilary clan will for the most part vote for McCain because of the dislike for Obama. The same Conservative Republicans that are angered with McCain aren't going to vote for Obama...I'm not going there.

Do the math...McCain will be making that inaugural speech in January. The thing most seem not to understand is that the next President will not make much of a difference. Too much corruption in the rest of the government.

I wouldn't be to sure of that when he announces her as his VP.

[Felicia Katt]

El nino you are so smart, obviously they didn't look at Obama's backers lol
Kelly, I know it must seem like I am picking on you, but I am not, only on the "facts" you keep cherrypicking.

Obama's backers are largely small individual donors. As of March, over 1.5 million people had contributed to his campaign, and of them, only a very small percentage had donated the maximum allowed.

McCain's donors are the same power elite who supported Bush. Rich individuals, giving the max and PAC's and corporations and lobbyists, often benefitting directly from McCain's legislative efforts. People seem to forget McCain was almost censured by the Senate for his involvement in the savings and loan meltdown, and his closeness to its lobbyists and contributors. His campaign headquarters recently had to put in a revolving door to get rid of all the lobbyists on his campaign staff. McCain berated Barak for suggesting we speak to dictators when he had campaign staffers who had spoken for them, as lobbyists.

Obama's backers are people like you and me. McCain's are not.

FK

[El Nino]

I'm talking about his main political advisers and consultants. As well as media propagators and and appointees. Its all out there. There is a bigger picture Felicia.

[Felicia Katt]

I'm talking about his main political advisers and consultants. As well as media propagators and and appointees. Its all out there. There is a bigger picture Felicia.
if there is a bigger picture, you are missing it, sweetie. You can support someone like Ron Paul, who has no chance of ever being elected or you can choose from the actual practical electable candidates. Obama is very different than Bush. McCain is not. On the issues of Iraq and gay rights, the difference is night, and day, and by voting for Obama, I am voting so our nation will no longer be kept in the dark, or the closet.

FK

[El Nino]

No way, fuck having to vote for "the lesser of two evils". We shouldn't have to do that. Again, and I repeat, you are missing a bigger picture. Its not about who is President. It runs farrrrrrrrr deeper.

[Legend]

No way, fuck having to vote for "the lesser of two evils". We shouldn't have to do that. Again, and I repeat, you are missing a bigger picture. Its not about who is President. It runs farrrrrrrrr deeper.

Who controls the universe?

[Thatiger23]

No way, fuck having to vote for "the lesser of two evils". We shouldn't have to do that. Again, and I repeat, you are missing a bigger picture. Its not about who is President. It runs farrrrrrrrr deeper.

Who controls the universe?

thats easy to answer and i would have to say this cat
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/tonyb2206/strong-is-the-force-with-yoda-cat.jpg

[yodajazz]

No way, fuck having to vote for "the lesser of two evils". We shouldn't have to do that. Again, and I repeat, you are missing a bigger picture. Its not about who is President. It runs farrrrrrrrr deeper.

I understand what you are saying, but at least voting for the 'lesser of two evils' sends a message that we are not satisfied with the current direction.
I think the world needs to see that we want change. That in itself sends a message. And then there is at least a possibility that there may be some changes. After all the invasion of Iraq was discussed in cabinet level meetings before 9/11. I think an Al Gore administration would have proceeded differently.

[Felicia Katt]

No way, fuck having to vote for "the lesser of two evils". We shouldn't have to do that. Again, and I repeat, you are missing a bigger picture. Its not about who is President. It runs farrrrrrrrr deeper.
hey, light a candle, or curse the darkness. Only one actually does any good, the other only feels good.

FK

[Tomfurbs]

Congrats Obama, but neither you or McCain have the knowledge or leverage to pull the banking system in check, so the whole world is financially fucked for the next five to ten years.

America sneezes, the rest of the world catches cold.

[melissacarter]

the Democratic party is just as fucked up and dirty as the Republican party, let's not get misty here...

The good news is Obama is intelligent and astute, never rattles and knows how to play the game without making it look like he's playing the game. Finally, a formidable candidate and two steps up from douchbag Kerry who had a chance to stop Bush and blew it.

[Cuchulain]

El Nino, I agree that we shouldn't have to vote for the lesser of teo evils, but when have we ever done anything else in a presidential election?

McCain will be no different than Bush. He may have a better command of the english language, but we've seen that he puts his foot in his mouth just as often.

We can at least be sure that Obama will not engage in the brutal acts of hubris that Bush/Cheney have reveled in these past eight years - lieing about wmds and nuclear weps to start a war, bankrupting our country, tossing habeua corpus and posse comitatus out the window, no bid contracts for Haliburton, KBR and Blackwater, appointing industry hacks to run every watchdog agency of the US govt, censoring reports prepared by scientists of those agencies, outing a goddamn CIA agent for political reasons, firing Federal attorneys because the won't trump up charges to prosecute the opposition party, etc, etc

You can either hold your nose and vote for Obama or sit home all high and mighty, believing you're above the fray. One choice has a positive impact, the other does NOTHING.

[melissacarter]

El Nino, I agree that we shouldn't have to vote for the lesser of teo evils, but when have we ever done anything else in a presidential election?

McCain will be no different than Bush. He may have a better command of the english language, but we've seen that he puts his foot in his mouth just as often.

We can at least be sure that Obama will not engage in the brutal acts of hubris that Bush/Cheney have reveled in these past eight years - lieing about wmds and nuclear weps to start a war, bankrupting our country, tossing habeua corpus and posse comitatus out the window, no bid contracts for Haliburton, KBR and Blackwater, appointing industry hacks to run every watchdog agency of the US govt, censoring reports prepared by scientists of those agencies, outing a goddamn CIA agent for political reasons, firing Federal attorneys because the won't trump up charges to prosecute the opposition party, etc, etc

You can either hold your nose and vote for Obama or sit home all high and mighty, believing you're above the fray. One choice has a positive impact, the other does NOTHING.

Well said. Each of your illustrations are crimes that neither Bush or Cheney will ever be accountable for. I would take it a step further and say that beyond doing NOTHING this administration and the party doctrine it pushes does heavy permanent damage particularly regarding foreign policy, both political and economic. The rest of the world hates us now and will cheer as America struggles.

Don't forget the bullshit Patriot Act, which is a sound-good name for freedom to spy, prosecute anyone and loss of inddivual rights.

[Cuchulain]

Thanks, Melissa and Good Morning. Ya know, I have this tiny, tiny sliver of hope that if Obama gets in and appoints John Edwards AG, we may yet see Dubya and his gang of thugs face charges. Unlikely, I admit, but it's nice to dream, hehe.

[glenntinnyc]

Obama's backers are people like you and me. McCain's are not.

While it is true Obama had 1.5 million individual donors, lets not brainwash ourselves into thinking those 10 dollar checks financed his effort. Notice all of the large banks there. Coincidence or an effort to make sure that should he get the win in November the expected new round of bailouts will continue with the YOU and ME people mentioned above left to carry the bill?

Goldman Sachs $571,330
University of California $437,236
UBS AG $364,806
JPMorgan Chase & Co $362,207
Citigroup Inc $358,054
National Amusements Inc $320,750
Lehman Brothers $318,647
Google Inc $309,514
Harvard University $309,025
Sidley Austin LLP $294,245
Skadden, Arps et al $270,013
Time Warner $262,677
Morgan Stanley $259,876
Jones Day $250,725
Exelon Corp $236,211
University of Chicago $218,857
Wilmerhale LLP $218,680
Latham & Watkins $218,615
Microsoft Corp $209,242
Stanford University $195,262

DOESNT LOOK LIKE A YOU AND ME ROLL CALL THERE.

That being said he ran a good campaign and the party should support him along with Clinton's base or the Dems will have squandered what was an un loseable election.

.

[trish]

Today, I'm one happy backer...me and a million and a half other hopeful, everyday individuals. Congrats Barrack.

[Minutemouse9]

El Nino, I agree that we shouldn't have to vote for the lesser of teo evils, but when have we ever done anything else in a presidential election?

McCain will be no different than Bush. He may have a better command of the english language, but we've seen that he puts his foot in his mouth just as often.

We can at least be sure that Obama will not engage in the brutal acts of hubris that Bush/Cheney have reveled in these past eight years - lieing about wmds and nuclear weps to start a war, bankrupting our country, tossing habeua corpus and posse comitatus out the window, no bid contracts for Haliburton, KBR and Blackwater, appointing industry hacks to run every watchdog agency of the US govt, censoring reports prepared by scientists of those agencies, outing a goddamn CIA agent for political reasons, firing Federal attorneys because the won't trump up charges to prosecute the opposition party, etc, etc

You can either hold your nose and vote for Obama or sit home all high and mighty, believing you're above the fray. One choice has a positive impact, the other does NOTHING.

Well said. Each of your illustrations are crimes that neither Bush or Cheney will ever be accountable for. I would take it a step further and say that beyond doing NOTHING this administration and the party doctrine it pushes does heavy permanent damage particularly regarding foreign policy, both political and economic. The rest of the world hates us now and will cheer as America struggles.

Don't forget the bullshit Patriot Act, which is a sound-good name for freedom to spy, prosecute anyone and loss of inddivual rights.

Let's not forget warrantless wiretappings and their plan to give immunity to the telco that cooperated.

If nothing illegal was done, then we do they need immunity?

[Quinn]

the Democratic party is just as fucked up and dirty as the Republican party, let's not get misty here...

I couldn't agree more, but, that being said, I am willing to give Obama a chance. He may be a disaster; conversely, he may turn out to be another JFK. Voting for him entails the acceptance of certain unknowns. That being said, voting for the other two entails the acceptance of many knowns that are entirely unpalatable in nature (or have become so recently), at least for me.

-Quinn

[goldensamba]

as a brit,got to say he comes across well

You mean with his ability to actually speak the English language and his grasp of geography? Unlike this guy..... http://youtube.com/watch?v=H6xsd3qo99M

[dafame]

I'm talking about his main political advisers and consultants. As well as media propagators and and appointees. Its all out there. There is a bigger picture Felicia.

Yeah he's right. Let's vote for Ron Paul and ensure we have no say in this political process that will have a profound effect on the course our country takes over the course of the next four years.

[dafame]

As a black man last night was an extremely moving and emotional event. I couldn't hold back the tears.

[trish]

As a black man last night was an extremely moving and emotional event. I couldn't hold back the tears.

I supported Obama wholeheartedly, but I didn't think I'd get all choked up...yet I did. Thanks for sharing dafame.

[goldensamba]

I don't care if he's purple, he is the best we have got. If he gets elected I unfortunately think there will be many attempts on his life because of the lingering ignorance in this country.

[uber_nerd]

I hope I'm wrong but I don't think America is ready for a black president.

[hippifried]

Now the fun part begins.

[Fox]

...

[Fox]

...

Triple posts... :evil:

[Fox]

I don't care if he's purple, he is the best we have got. If he gets elected I unfortunately think there will be many attempts on his life because of the lingering ignorance in this country.

Yeah, I think every black person (and not just black) worries about that.

[melissacarter]

As screwed up as this sounds, the fact that he's a light skinned black man makes his chances better. It shouldn't matter but in this country it still does.

Colin Powell was more palletable to the uptight white American public. And in some ways helped pave the way for others.

[goldensamba]

As screwed up as this sounds, the fact that he's a light skinned black man makes his chances better. It shouldn't matter but in this country it still does.

Colin Powell was more palletable to the uptight white American public. And in some ways helped pave the way for others.

You are correct.......f@cked up but true!!

[jimbobw2]

Obama's backers are people like you and me. McCain's are not.

While it is true Obama had 1.5 million individual donors, lets not brainwash ourselves into thinking those 10 dollar checks financed his effort. Notice all of the large banks there. Coincidence or an effort to make sure that should he get the win in November the expected new round of bailouts will continue with the YOU and ME people mentioned above left to carry the bill?

Goldman Sachs $571,330
University of California $437,236
UBS AG $364,806
JPMorgan Chase & Co $362,207
Citigroup Inc $358,054
National Amusements Inc $320,750
Lehman Brothers $318,647
Google Inc $309,514
Harvard University $309,025
Sidley Austin LLP $294,245
Skadden, Arps et al $270,013
Time Warner $262,677
Morgan Stanley $259,876
Jones Day $250,725
Exelon Corp $236,211
University of Chicago $218,857
Wilmerhale LLP $218,680
Latham & Watkins $218,615
Microsoft Corp $209,242
Stanford University $195,262

DOESNT LOOK LIKE A YOU AND ME ROLL CALL THERE.

That being said he ran a good campaign and the party should support him along with Clinton's base or the Dems will have squandered what was an un loseable election.

.

Dont forget Farrakhan and Wright. Wright was his mentor....

[goldensamba]

Dont forget Farrakhan and Wright. Wright was his mentor....

This is the kind of crap that we can look forward to seeing throughout this election.

[Legend]

Dont forget Farrakhan and Wright. Wright was his mentor....

This is the kind of crap that we can look forward to seeing throughout this election.

It won't work!

[casca82]

fuck that muslim, he won't reign long :thumbsdown :moon :twisted:

[chefmike]

fuck that muslim, he won't reign long :thumbsdown :moon :twisted:

Aren't you late for a Mensa meeting, zippy?

[goldensamba]

fuck that muslim, he won't reign long :thumbsdown :moon :twisted:

I don't even know what to say about this comment. How exactly do you justify this comment? Even if he was a muslim, why would you hate him for his religion?

[trish]

Whoever writes


please do not try and change my mind

has no need to speak their mind. Why would you want to give voice to your views if you didn't want to persuade...it's not like we're all dying to know what you think? And how could you expect to persuade if you didn't offer as enticement to dialog the possibly that you yourself could be persuaded.

[casca82]

he will destroy this country, he is weak. I don't trust him, his beliefs, his family, or his church. Our enemies will sense his weakness and naivety, and they will strike. It's 1938 all over again. :2cent

[dafame]

Obama's backers are people like you and me. McCain's are not.

While it is true Obama had 1.5 million individual donors, lets not brainwash ourselves into thinking those 10 dollar checks financed his effort. Notice all of the large banks there. Coincidence or an effort to make sure that should he get the win in November the expected new round of bailouts will continue with the YOU and ME people mentioned above left to carry the bill?

Goldman Sachs $571,330
University of California $437,236
UBS AG $364,806
JPMorgan Chase & Co $362,207
Citigroup Inc $358,054
National Amusements Inc $320,750
Lehman Brothers $318,647
Google Inc $309,514
Harvard University $309,025
Sidley Austin LLP $294,245
Skadden, Arps et al $270,013
Time Warner $262,677
Morgan Stanley $259,876
Jones Day $250,725
Exelon Corp $236,211
University of Chicago $218,857
Wilmerhale LLP $218,680
Latham & Watkins $218,615
Microsoft Corp $209,242
Stanford University $195,262

DOESNT LOOK LIKE A YOU AND ME ROLL CALL THERE.

That being said he ran a good campaign and the party should support him along with Clinton's base or the Dems will have squandered what was an un loseable election.

.

Dont forget Farrakhan and Wright. Wright was his mentor....

Add the total sum of those numbers and the go to fec.com to see just how off base you are when you see the breakdown of the contributions he's received.

[goldensamba]

he will destroy this country, he is weak. I don't trust him, his beliefs, his family, or his church. Our enemies will sense his weakness and naivety, and they will strike. It's 1938 all over again. :2cent

You're right, we need someone strong like George Bush. NOT!

Where do these people come from?!

[ottorocket]

Too bad this election has been more about gender, race, and age politics than the issues. All of the above suck.

[trish]

I don't trust you, casca. So give us some casca independent reasons not to trust Obama. Sheesh!

[qeuqheeg222]

i hope for the sake of the dems who have a habit of turning somethin into nuthin;that he picks some meat and potatoes white,suthrin or out west,gun totin type of dude...think bout it-he'll win over hillary's crownd vs mcain but those reagan-dems or working class guys that were forced to vote for hillary in the primary might go for mcain...many states have more of a racist edge than many people think....hillary is too much of a polarizin figure...he needs to make some bridges..

[partlycloudy]

http://i26.tinypic.com/2v0mxwx.jpg

[trish]

Hostile PM's:
You and the others didn't agree with my views after I asked you to leave me alone but you all decided to just go on a tear of attacks. I warned ya but you didn't listen so I put the thread back on track. You started with me, if you have a beef with me keep it off the boards and talk to me here like an adult. You all ruined that thread with attacks, because I choose to be republican and made a statement as such. the thread is now about Obama not me, not me being a shit talker , a coward ect ect ect. You should know you can not argue politics or religion. Post about Obama but leave me & my name off your lips. You want to discuss something with me do it here , no more highjacking threads. H.

If we address your arguments it's a legitimate attack on your ideas and fit for public consumption and within the parameters of the thread. You really can't expect to post your opinions and then say don't attack them.

[qeuqheeg222]

obama could carry the repug south that used to be dixiecrats with a dude like ji,m webb or maybe wesley clark(althought i dont like him for this)...the deep southern states have a large percentage of black voters and disenfranchised poor whites...he could really connect here if he played the cards right..shit he could pick bill clinton????edwards might do okay too......

[Alyssa87]

everyone loves this guy...

[qeuqheeg222]

alyssa do you like him?????

[Alyssa87]

as i live and breathe. yes.

[qeuqheeg222]

you know it is interesting down here in miami that many cubans this time around were posin like they were gonna go for hillary but they lost out ..i wonder if they can over come the instinct to vote repug and overcome a lot of the racist shit and vote for obama.....voting blocks in different regions always present special circumstances.......

[NYCe]

No need to start a new thread for that. No need to use posters real names in this thread as well.

I've sent out inboxes as needed. Let's keep this get this thread back on track.

(As well why is this in GD?)

[trish]

Thank you, NYCe

[partlycloudy]

:arrow:

[Alyssa87]

brushin off the haters.
lmaoo. i never saw that. cute.

[doasuwill]

Get ready for the mudslinging, Mcsame will play dirty the only way the Republicans know how to play.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I don't care what color he is, I don't like him.

He is all talk and no action.

[thx1138]

According to the rumor mill a 2004 speech given by Michelle Obama might be dropped on the mainstream media within the next 48 hours. Obama may have to divorce his wife as he did with the Reverend Wright. Maybe that's why Hillary is still hanging around.

[thx1138]

http://hillbuzz.blogspot.com/2008/06/whats-on-michelle-obama-rant-tape.html

[Legend]

According to the rumor mill a 2004 speech given by Michelle Obama might be dropped on the mainstream media within the next 48 hours. Obama may have to divorce his wife as he did with the Reverend Wright. Maybe that's why Hillary is still hanging around.

Don't you think a thing like that would have been bought up when the far right was attacking michelle about her proud of america comment which they totally tried to distort.

[thx1138]

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/06/05/the-daily-show-a-tale-of-two-speeches/#comments Jon Stewart - brilliant as usual.

[El Nino]

House Keeping

[chefmike]

:screwy :spam

:boring :crap

[Oli]

“In fact, one thing that I have noticed . . . is that all of these conspiracy theories depend on the perpetrators being endlessly clever. I think you'll find the facts also work if you assume the believer is endlessly stupid.”

[chefmike]

“In fact, one thing that I have noticed . . . is that all of these conspiracy theories depend on the perpetrators being endlessly clever. I think you'll find the facts also work if you assume the believer is endlessly stupid.”

Nailed it.

[El Nino]

House Keeping

[chefmike]

“In fact, one thing that I have noticed . . . is that all of these conspiracy theories depend on the perpetrators being endlessly clever. I think you'll find the facts also work if you assume the believer is endlessly stupid.”

Well said, Oli.

[TYR]

While i am glad an African -American has a serious chance of winning. I am appalled at the fact that he is a racist fuck. I was going to vote for him until i read his book.

[trish]

Okay, I'll bite. Which book, and what evidence of his racism do you find in his book.

[BrendaQG]

"The Audacity of Hope" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Audacity_of_Hope)

I haven't read it but mabey I should.


In the end, that's what this election is about. Do we participate in a politics of cynicism or a politics of hope? John Kerry calls on us to hope. John Edwards calls on us to hope. I'm not talking about blind optimism here -- the almost willful ignorance that thinks unemployment will go away if we just don't talk about it, or the health care crisis will solve itself if we just ignore it. No, I'm talking about something more substantial. It's the hope of slaves sitting around a fire singing freedom songs; the hope of immigrants setting out for distant shores; the hope of a young naval lieutenant bravely patrolling the Mekong Delta; the hope of a millworker's son who dares to defy the odds; the hope of a skinny kid with a funny name who believes that America has a place for him, too. Hope in the face of difficulty. Hope in the face of uncertainty. The audacity of hope!
Barrack Hussien Obama 2004 Speech at the Democratic convention. As quoted from wikipedia here for your convenience.

[loki]

From his book "Audacity Of Hope "There was something about him that made me wary. A little too sure of himself, maybe. And white."

[chefmike]

From his book "Audacity Of Hope "There was something about him that made me wary. A little too sure of himself, maybe. And white."

So? Even white kids know that you should never trust Whitey.

[trish]

deleted (sorry loki...mistook you for TYR)

[loki]

deleted (sorry loki...mistook you for TYR)No problem trish.