Important Link to Info on Same Sex Marriage in CA

[justatransgirl]

This is a link to important FAQ's information for anyone who might be interested in getting married in California under the new same sex mariage ruling.

http://gaylesbiantimes.com/?id=12285

Hugs,
TS Jamie :-)

[justatransgirl]

Some further thoughts.

My friends, I've been learning a lot about the upcoming right to marry in California.

Come November there is going to be an anti-marriage amendment presented to the voters in the general election. There are national and out of state right wing religious groups that are going to pump millions of dollars into repealing the right of same sex partners to marry.

If it is approved by a simple majority it will invalidate any marriages performed this summer.

This is perhaps the MOST IMPORTANT of the issues facing the transgender community at this time.

This is more than a marriage issue - it is a civil rights issue - and perhaps even a right to exist issue.

If we do not win a decisive victory in California and change the way the country and the world looks at same sex marriage - in all likelihood we will not see same sex marriage or the right of non-op transsexuals to marry in our lifetime in the USA.

WE - as transsexuals are a bridge into the straight community who is going to decide this issue. WE need to educate our friends - whether in CA or not. Outside influence is going to help decide this election.

WE need to start educating the straight people in their own forums. I personally am a member of two semi-private straight escort forums - which have about 5,000 members - I am going to ask my friends there to support us.

I hope you will all take every opportunity over the next 6 months to let people in your online world know how important it is for same sex marriage to be upheld by the voters in CA.

Hugs,
TS Jamie :-)

[peggygee]

While I realize that the 'same sex' ruling would
benifit non / pre op transpersons, the memory
of Enda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_Non-Discrimination_Act) lingers and taints my potential support.

[Ecstatic]

Jamie, Massachusetts has survived the challenges that followed hard on the judicial ruling that same sex marriage is a right guaranteed by the constitution of the Commonwealth, despite all the pressure to the contrary. I hope that the same holds true for CA. CA followed MA's lead on health insurance for all, and now on same sex marriage. If CA keeps same sex marriage legal, I can see NY, NJ, CT, VT, and a few other states following suit within the decade. It is indeed a matter of civil rights. The Mass judges were not "activist" judges who legislated from the bench; they simply found that the constitution of the Commonwealth guaranteed the right of marriage to all, regardless of sex, gender, race or religion, and that's how it should be.

[justatransgirl]

First for Peggy - while the ENDA sell out is far from forgotten in my mind (and I intend to write an editorial to remind the gay community that now "they" want "our" support) same sex marriage is important to ALL transsexuals not just pre or non-ops. The reason being some (make that many if not most) states / countries may not fully accept marraige between a man and a woman who was born with male sex organs.

Also many states and most countries do not yet allow the changing of birth certificates to correct gender changes. So I think it is important even to the formerly transgendered woman who may be living her life as a straight female.

And yes Estatic, I hope you are right. But with the religious right pledging virtually unlimited amounts of money to denying us our civil rights it's going to be an uphill battle. The simple thing is we are outnumbered and out financed.

So every bit of support nationally and internationally matters.

Hugs,
TS Jamie :-)

[peggygee]

First for Peggy - while the ENDA sell out is far from forgotten in my mind (and I intend to write an editorial to remind the gay community that now "they" want "our" support) same sex marriage is important to ALL transsexuals not just pre or non-ops. The reason being some (make that many if not most) states / countries may not fully accept marraige between a man and a woman who was born with male sex organs.

Also many states and most countries do not yet allow the changing of birth certificates to correct gender changes. So I think it is important even to the formerly transgendered woman who may be living her life as a straight female.

And yes Estatic, I hope you are right. But with the religious right pledging virtually unlimited amounts of money to denying us our civil rights it's going to be an uphill battle. The simple thing is we are outnumbered and out financed.

So every bit of support nationally and internationally matters.

Hugs,
TS Jamie :-)

Nope 'they' don't get off the hook that easy, but this may be an instance
where the 'enemy of my enemy is my friend'.

However on the amending of birth certificates post operatively most states
will do so as this link http://www.drbecky.com/birthcert.html specifically
speaks to and outlines the procedures.

These other links:

The New " REAL ID CARD "

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=29811&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

and

F on your DL

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=11147&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
discuss identification issues.

Also the European Union for the most part will amend your records as
well.

As to marriage though it isn't totally uniform throughout the US or the
world, but post operatively you are able to legally marry.

[peggygee]

Jamie, Massachusetts has survived the challenges that followed hard on the judicial ruling that same sex marriage is a right guaranteed by the constitution of the Commonwealth, despite all the pressure to the contrary. I hope that the same holds true for CA. CA followed MA's lead on health insurance for all, and now on same sex marriage. If CA keeps same sex marriage legal, I can see NY, NJ, CT, VT, and a few other states following suit within the decade. It is indeed a matter of civil rights. The Mass judges were not "activist" judges who legislated from the bench; they simply found that the constitution of the Commonwealth guaranteed the right of marriage to all, regardless of sex, gender, race or religion, and that's how it should be.

E, MA allowing same sex marriages was indeed precedent setting, though
I get the sense with the popolous statte of California coming on line with
this it will be just a matter of time before many other states in the union
follow suit as you have outlined.

[JelenaCD]

I don't see the civil rights angle , if you are gay you are not banned from marriage , you can marry any woman you like , the question becomes the definition of marriage and is it the judges who define marriage or the will of the people , the people have defined marriage as man and women ,
You can argue this all day , do we want to give judges the power to regulate everything or do we want to live in a democratic system where the will of the people is major yet not absolute ? Marriage is given value because procreation ensures the continued existence of a nation and because children beneift from male presence and also from a female presence , both male and female bring unique traits that a child needs to become a formed human !

[peggygee]

I don't see the civil rights angle , if you are gay you are not banned from marriage , you can marry any woman you like , the question becomes the definition of marriage and is it the judges who define marriage or the will of the people , the people have defined marriage as man and women ,
You can argue this all day , do we want to give judges the power to regulate everything or do we want to live in a democratic system where the will of the people is major yet not absolute ? Marriage is given value because procreation ensures the continued existence of a nation and because children beneift from male presence and also from a female presence , both male and female bring unique traits that a child needs to become a formed human !

Somebody else wanna take this one, I'm getting carpal. :shrug