I dont get this

[NRT]

Why do escorts put on their websites, they like 'gifts'. not 'fees', which are termed 'donations'. They then list their favourite designer labels shoes, handbags, clothes, perfume etc. And how they love to go shopping!

Is this shameless begging or scrounging? They charge a rate (in some cases more than what a good lawyer or doctor charges ph) and then demand a tip or bonus gift? Its not like waiters who are often paid lower rates because they are expected to receive tips. (Remember that scene in Resovoir Dogs?) Maybe they like grovelling to guys with deep pockets with more money than sense or just like to pamper. But in what other profession would that happen? They want something for nothing despite being paid. Do the guys look down on them for asking?

[thx1138]

Er, you've been on this site for a year and a half. Haven't you read any threads? I suspect the ladies and their admirers are going to tear into you.

[Thatiger23]

:popcorn

[BeardedOne]

Part of it is simply a cultural dialect that lessens the sting or stigma of the verse. Let's face it, 'girlfriend experience for roses' is certainly more genteel than 'fuck me for hard cash - Preferably Canadian'. :)

As for gift lists and registries, while they do seem rather pushy (Having been asked to play Santa on occasion, when my beard is especially full, I have the recollection of all the bratty kids shouting "IwantIwantIwantIwant" in the old man's face at the shopping mall), it can help a socially inept soul such as myself tune into something to make an evening flow more smoothly than a random bottle of wine (While I understand that cork is better than screw-cap and the latter is better than the waxed cardboard carton, I am so out of tune with fine wines that for all I know I just handed the poor gurl a bottle of lighter fluid) or some chance gift of a rare toy or book that they just happen to be missing from a personal collection (I really do research a potential date in hopes of bringing a truly personal gift).

True, said 'gifts' are as often a gratuity-before-service as they may be a bonus for an evening well spent, but I (And others I know) see such things as an aid to leveling the social/emotional playing field somewhat, at least for us/myself if not for the gurl (Who would naturally view the meeting as a 'working date'). Such an exchange helps paint the illusion, however real or perceived, that the gurl sees you as more of a person than as a walking ATM.

Though I have not presented gifts (Or 'gifts', if you will) as a bribe for better service or a reward for such rendered, I have seen a definite effect of one presented with some forethought and true sincerity. While I am never likely to pony up with a Prada, Gucci, or Chanelle (I have truthfully never understood name-brand consumerism, with rare and notable exceptions, and am just as likely to shop at the local K-Mart as I am to poke around Rodeo Drive), I have presented gifts to the gurls I've met that were chosen as much for their everlasting joyful effect as for for their economy of the moment.

In the end, they are just like girlfriends or lovers, without the heartache and legal fees. Treat them with respect and pamper them as best you can and hope that they may do the same for you.

[BeardedOne]

i dont think they like being call prostitutes either which is exactly what they are

I clearly remember a small town police department that had the same feelings about their cultural status.

[slinky]

The "gifts" and "donations" terminology is a misguided attempt to hide the illegality of prostitution. Just like when you see "200 roses" ( vomitvomitvomitvomit ) on CL.

The gifts is because some guys actually want to give them, and if you're going to get a whole bunch of shit you hate, you're better off giving the guys a clue as to what you really want, rather than them wasting money (really wasting it) on something which is going directly into the trash when you leave. Of course, some girls get them and then start to expect that guys should be bringing them in addition to their fee.

[BlackMath]

Why do escorts put on their websites, they like 'gifts'. not 'fees', which are termed 'donations'. They then list their favourite designer labels shoes, handbags, clothes, perfume etc. And how they love to go shopping!

Is this shameless begging or scrounging? They charge a rate (in some cases more than what a good lawyer or doctor charges ph) and then demand a tip or bonus gift? Its not like waiters who are often paid lower rates because they are expected to receive tips. (Remember that scene in Resovoir Dogs?) Maybe they like grovelling to guys with deep pockets with more money than sense or just like to pamper. But in what other profession would that happen? They want something for nothing despite being paid. Do the guys look down on them for asking?

I don't understand the whole American culture of tipping.
Sure, tip if the workers go that extra mile, and tip the Pizza boy, but that's about it.
I guess it has to do with minimum wage and stuff.

[IsuckTgirlCock]

Why do escorts put on their websites, they like 'gifts'. not 'fees', which are termed 'donations'. They then list their favourite designer labels shoes, handbags, clothes, perfume etc. And how they love to go shopping!

Is this shameless begging or scrounging? They charge a rate (in some cases more than what a good lawyer or doctor charges ph) and then demand a tip or bonus gift? Its not like waiters who are often paid lower rates because they are expected to receive tips. (Remember that scene in Resovoir Dogs?) Maybe they like grovelling to guys with deep pockets with more money than sense or just like to pamper. But in what other profession would that happen? They want something for nothing despite being paid. Do the guys look down on them for asking?






Guys like me, we like to call a TS when we're horny, and have her say "come over right now " or "come over in one hour so i can get ready for you'.........when you spoil a Tgirl and take care of her with gifts, etc, you will notice she will make time for you, esp when you want to see her, shell push aside the cheap skates and other idiots who complain about the fee's and let you come over and hang out, etc. Thats what ive noticed. IF you want to be on the back burner, be a cheap skate. Ive read alot of complains on erotic review about tgirls and reg. girls Ive seen before and who i tipped really well and never had a problem seeing them, but the complaints on eroticreview 'the girl never answers' etc and I just laugh

[NRT]

how can anyone be a cheapskate for paying the agreed price? So clients only get a decent service after paying extra on top? You woudnt do that in any other business. They charge more than lawyers or accuntants but they wouldnt be allowed to get away with that. What about value for money? customer service? Or in this trade is rip off the name of the game? Sure, they must see the guy with the expensive gifts from a mile off, saying to themselves, 'of course I'll make time for that dumb ass sucker!'

So the moral of the story, if you pay for sex expect the prostitute to rip you off. I just realised. We are all mugs. Ive seen the light

[tsntx]

ooh ooh *raises hand* pick me! pick me! ooh ooh pick me!


yeah maybe its b/c not every guy is broke like you and can AFFORD nice things on top of the flat rate? ooh ooh or maybe its bc some guys will actually go buy that bag or designer shoes that she likes and she wont even ask for the flat rate .... seeing as how the bag cost $1200 ...

still... i think its more of the first option i gave

[trish]

how can anyone be a cheapskate for paying the agreed price?

It’s all relative. The person who pays the least is the cheapskate. The agreed upon price is minimal for the expected services. Extra will get you the unexpected.


So clients only get a decent service after paying extra on top?
No. For extra consideration, they get extra consideration.


You woudnt do that in any other business.

Actually, you would.


They charge more than lawyers or accuntants but they wouldnt be allowed to get away with that.


Actually they do.


What about value for money? customer service? Or in this trade is rip off the name of the game?

No. Again for extra consideration, you get extra consideration. Stop asking the same question in the same post over and over again.


Sure, they must see the guy with the expensive gifts from a mile off, saying to themselves, 'of course I'll make time for that dumb ass sucker!'

Actually we say, what a sweetie. I’ll give the suck and fuck of his dreams.


So the moral of the story, if you pay for sex expect the prostitute to rip you off.

No. You get what you pay for.


I just realised. We are all mugs. Ive seen the light

When is comes to the sex trade, why are all men suddenly communists? It’s the free, unregulated market, baby. Get used to it or get out.

[slinky]

ooh ooh *raises hand* pick me! pick me! ooh ooh pick me!


Calm down, Horshack (http://tvland.classictvhits.com/WelcomeBackKotter/Sounds/WBKExcited.wav)

[NRT]

Its not about being a 'communist' but stopping the rip off. If you were paying $20 to a drug addict what do you expect? But someone who charges more in an hour than what some earn in a week, who say they are high class and proffesional and the other BS? In other words the more you charge the same morals as the drug addicted street girl?

As for lawyers and accountants doing the same thing, they usually have regulatory bodies that you can appeal to if you have grounds for complaint. Some get prosecuted or jailed for overcharging or sub standard service.

In this trade there is no such protection. Just the wild west with no morals. MAybe that is why you defend it. A profession viewed as immoral by most with a lot of negative stigma is bound to have immoral practices. Akin to complaining about racketeerers, money launderers, drug dealers, unlicensed gambling clubs who rip you off





how can anyone be a cheapskate for paying the agreed price?

It’s all relative. The person who pays the least is the cheapskate. The agreed upon price is minimal for the expected services. Extra will get you the unexpected.


So clients only get a decent service after paying extra on top?
No. For extra consideration, they get extra consideration.


You woudnt do that in any other business.

Actually, you would.


They charge more than lawyers or accuntants but they wouldnt be allowed to get away with that.


Actually they do.


What about value for money? customer service? Or in this trade is rip off the name of the game?

No. Again for extra consideration, you get extra consideration. Stop asking the same question in the same post over and over again.


Sure, they must see the guy with the expensive gifts from a mile off, saying to themselves, 'of course I'll make time for that dumb ass sucker!'

Actually we say, what a sweetie. I’ll give the suck and fuck of his dreams.


So the moral of the story, if you pay for sex expect the prostitute to rip you off.

No. You get what you pay for.


I just realised. We are all mugs. Ive seen the light

When is comes to the sex trade, why are all men suddenly communists? It’s the free, unregulated market, baby. Get used to it or get out.

[gaiseric]

I don't see why you are getting so wound up on this topic - the bottom line is that no-one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to take extra gifts to escorts. If guys want to do that, it's up to them. I've done it myself with certain escorts in London and I certainly didn't spend hours analysing my actions. 8)
Accept that it happens and move on

[BeardedOne]

So the moral of the story, if you pay for sex expect the prostitute to rip you off. I just realised. We are all mugs. Ive seen the light

In truth, we are all 'mugs', following the dowsing rod that is our dick and hoping to strike high water at the least expense of funds and labor.

However, your view of the 'gifts' concept is somewhat harsh.


The gifts is because some guys actually want to give them, and if you're going to get a whole bunch of shit you hate, you're better off giving the guys a clue as to what you really want, rather than them wasting money (really wasting it) on something which is going directly into the trash when you leave.

This stands true with me. I actually =like= (Hev'n f'bid) the gurls I've been with and enjoy seeing the smile on their face when a gift is presented. Contrary to the base of this thread, it doesn't always have to be a Rolls Royce when a fine-ass bicycle will be appreciated as much or more. I've had gurls be just as appreciative of small gifts like a book or a postcard that I sent from some tourist-trap that I visited during a vacation. For some, it is the value of the gift (Start ponying up for that Rolls or Maybach), while others genuinely see the thought that went into said gift.

To date, I have yet to actually 'tip' a gurl (Mostly due to my own financial adventures and not in any way reflective of their performance as a quality companion), but I try not to be the client-from-hell while I am with them and attempt to balance things a bit in other ways.

In other nooz:


I don't understand the whole American culture of tipping. Sure, tip if the workers go that extra mile, and tip the Pizza boy, but that's about it.
I guess it has to do with minimum wage and stuff.

Yah, pretty much. Wait staff at restaurants get some goofy-ass legal wage of $2.00 an hour or somesuch and therefore depend on tips/gratuity as their primary livelihood. It becomes a two-edged sword, though. If they got the average wage/tip salary of $10 + an hour, you'd sit all night waiting for your coffee while they schmoozed in the kitchen.

Truth be told, if I ever fulfill my dream of visiting places like London, Stockholm, Berlin, and St. Petersburg, I will be dumbfounded when the check arrives and I have to decide whether to tip or not. I've heard that some cultures encourage it (French gas station attendants have been known to piss in your tank if you don't tip them), while others are offended.


...when you spoil a Tgirl and take care of her with gifts, etc, you will notice she will make time for you, esp when you want to see her, shell push aside the cheap skates and other idiots who complain about the fee's and let you come over and hang out, etc.

I've experienced this first hand, though not by way of gifts. The gurl in question has given me quite a bit of slack over the years and I can only assume that it is because she considers me an 'easy' date and that I give her a bit of a pause in the day. Clearly, if you spoil a gurl, or just simply treat her well, you'll get a positive response. <Thinking> Isn't that how it works with all human interaction?


They charge more than lawyers or accuntants but they wouldnt be allowed to get away with that. What about value for money? customer service? Or in this trade is rip off the name of the game?

Personally, I'd trust a werking gurl more than an attorney or an accountant. The ones that work on their backs and knees have proven more often that they are, by far, more trustworthy than those that work on their feet.

In the end, they all fuck you. Might's well get fucked by one you like.


Actually we say, what a sweetie. I’ll give the suck and fuck of his dreams.

:shock:

You're shittin' me! I got all that for a comic book?!? And I didn't give it to her until =AFTER= the date.


I don't see why you are getting so wound up on this topic - the bottom line is that no-one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to take extra gifts to escorts. If guys want to do that, it's up to them. I've done it myself with certain escorts in London and I certainly didn't spend hours analysing my actions. Cool
Accept that it happens and move on

It doesn't hurt to ask and analyze such questions. I've been curious about similar things but have been either to shy to ask or thought that there were other priorities in my quest for the ultimate boogie knowledge. :wink:

In forty-six years, I paid for sex once. I was drunk, she was handy, shit happens. This compares to close to two-hundred lovers/companions in that same time frame. In the past four years, I have paid for play more than I have played for 'free' ("Free" being relative, of course). In each case (All T-gurls) they were patient, friendly, upbeat, sexy, open, and more than accommodating. Had I thought of/been able to afford a gift for each of these gurls, I would not have hesitated to present one, even though I was busting a nut just to cover their 'roses'.

Sometimes they deserve a gift. If they don't, then why the hell are you deep-throating thier clitty? :shock:

[trish]

As for lawyers and accountants doing the same thing, they usually have regulatory bodies that you can appeal

that's exactly right...it's called government regulation. the market for accountants and lawyers is not absolutely free.

communists believe there is a quantity associated with each good called its inherent worth. you're complaining escorts are charging you more than their inherent worth. i'm saying, they're charging what they can get; i.e. market value.

[Daponster]

There's funny thing is that, because escroting works best in places where prostitution is illegal.

Because they are escorting, if they don't like the guy or find him too creepy. they can just sit around, and charge the money, because is exactly the deal they made.

[justatransgirl]

Hey guys - look at it like this you can pay by the hour or you can pay after the divorce, but one way or the other you are surely going to pay for your bootie!

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

Oh, yeah, PS - gifts I'd enjoy...
Mercedez S class, in black please
Diamond Rolex, though a Cartier would be accepted
Modest house in the Hamptons, beachfront only please