The Landscape Of TS Escort Fees & Your Thoughts On It.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Recently, there has been some talk on here about providers raising there prices to levels which are usally charged by elite GG escorts. Understandably, there has been some back lash, as well as those who understand that a free market, means just that. You are free to charge what you please for your service.

I can totally understand this backlash towards a higher fee- as men who frequent ts escorts are simply NOT USED to paying that kind of money.

I should know very well. I've worked at all spectrums of the escorting business from working to an agency, to different price points, to at several times demanding the most expensive fee on Eros by a TS.

I once met an elderly gentleman years ago who hired me to visit him. Back then I believe the fee was $500 for the house visit. As we got to talking he pulled out a stack of Polaroid next to his bed. The Polaroid consisted of some of the most well known GG porn stars and escorts at the time.This was a gentleman who probably saw three-five escorts a week and had the means to do it. As part of their session he would ask the lady to pose for a Polaroid for him. In the stack was a Polaroid of XXX Star Houston- whom he told me he had paid $2,000 an hour for, with a two hour minimum. At that point I felt slightly cheated. Here I was @ 500 and she was getting 4k from the same guy. Of course I was no Houston and could not command that- she was at one point one of the most famous XXX actresses in the mainstream. But it did certainly made me think of why GG prices are for the most part higher than TS prices.

I think this has to do mainly with immigration and the girls themselves setting the standards of their worth. In recent years there has been an influx of many TS on the net from other countries. Because these ladies obviously lived in different cultures and had different needs in their country, the money they can make, even though below the average of GG standards is still a hell of a lot more than they would ever make in their countries. With this they can probably lead comfortable lives in the US and of course help their families back home. The value of $100 I think is different from someone who came from a developing country than to a middle class American. I am sure if I was here fresh from Cuba, given the conditions people live in Cuba, I would be more than thrilled to be making $100 an hour.

This same point has been spoken to me about the influx of South American TS now in France, Spain, and Italy- who will for the most part charge much less and do much more than their native counter parts.

The other factor is Craigslist. Which in my opinion is ruining the online escorting business. It's street prostitution brought online. The Internet was a place where the higher priced call girls where and the more upscale clients. Craigslist to me is sad. I see girls with rates of $50, $60, $80 which is just unbelievable to me. I recall when I first came to NYC the going rate was $150 for EVERYONE. Unless of course on the street. And the sad part is that GG usually still charge more than TS on Craigs! I just can't believe how much prices have dropped on Craigs- and the only assumption I can make is that street girls have moved indoors are on Craigslist now.

Is it because we do not know our self worth or because we are afraid to raise out rates in fear that the phone will stop riging? It really should be the other way around. Transsexual providers should be worth more money as we are much less common than GGs population wise. We are indeed a specialty The business alone of a sex worker can be a very dangerous one. You put yourself at great risks in many aspects. And I think the business of being a TS sex worker is even more dangerous and high risk. Yet most girls still charge less money than GGs.

Partly the customers know this- customers who will spend a lot more with a GG will simply, for the most part, spend a lot less on a transsexual. Because they know what the 'going' rates are and can simply call the next girl.

From a personal view point- as my fees when I do tour are clearly much higher and the highest in the city at that time. I do certainly alienate a lot of potential visitors. But as I grew wiser- I really appreciate quantity over quality in any thing I do in my life. I'd rather own one great high end hand bag I can wear for six months than buy 40 cheap ones I can wear every day. I'd rather deal with a few nice guys then have to grind out 10 guys a day like a chop chop factory. But that is just my view point.

The beauty of capitalism is that you can really charge whatever you think your service is worth. Wether or not you may get someone to pay for it is a different story all together- but still you can charge whatever you wish.

I don't think that all ts escorts are going to run out and raise their prices. And I do think he more high profile girls can and some will succeed, BUT, I have seen many raise their rates to a very high price point then bring it back down to their old normal rate.

There are two types of girls who can charge a lot more. The porn star who is well known, famous in her genre, therefore her fans will pay to meet her at her price- and the well known escort, whose claim to fame, is just that- being an escort. I frankly laugh at GG and TS escort ads that say 'European model' or 'fashion model', or 'former Elite model'- truth be told any successful, working model is NOT running an escort ad anywhere. I'll take that back the day I see Kate Moss on Eros.

If anyone is successful and creating their own hype and marketing it- more power to them. Sometimes that hype is totally baseless though and will quickly fade. Longevity and success in any business is impetuous.One day your are hot the next day you are not (I know how cheesy that sounds but it is VERY true). Will you be a one hit wonder or be a star in your own right for a long time? I anyone needs to know what makes a success in an image based business all they have to do is take a look at Madonna, reinvention is the key.

With that being said. people should not be upset because anyone wishes to charge 5k an hour or 2K- that is there choice, as well as it is your choice not to pay it. In any market there are goods and price points for everyone.

Just as there is a demand and need for a $100 TS escort, they is also a demand for the $1000 escort.

But do remember the biggest re tailor is the world is Walmart and not Gucci.

Thoughts?????

So I ask you, hypothetically, what do you think about all of this.
Would you be a customer looking for the best bargain, or are you willing to pay
a higher amount for the girl you want to meet?

YES and I know some of you claim they would never pay for an escort- that's fine. But lets leave this as hypothetical question.

[Youngmc]

i was thinking about this earlier, because of the rising costs of everything else,

[AllanahStarrNYC]

i was thinking about this earlier, because of the rising costs of everything else,



Everything does get more expensive. I paid for my first nose surgery about $3,000 something dollars 10 years ago and now nose jobs run from 6k and up-that's almost double.

[Ecstatic]

I am willing to pay a higher price, to a point. However, although I work in IT and make a decent living, I cannot justify paying even $300/hour, let alone $500 or $1000 or whatever. That's cool, I don't need to scratch that itch very often. And I totally believe that any escort should charge what she thinks her services are worth. Unfortunately, I won't be one of her clients.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Oh and I forgot to add to the list of questions-

Have you, would you, or are you willing to pay a higher price gor a GG escort than a TS escort- or is it all the same to you?

Thanks!

[flabbybody]

I have a personal threshold for what I'll pay for the company of a lady. It has nothing with affordability, simply my sense of how important I value the pursuit of my own pleasure.
Here's a food analogy: I can afford to eat in any restaurant I want to, but why should I pay $350 for wine and dinner when so many places are just as good for $250? Same food, same service. As a matter of fact, my favorite restaurants are some very moderately- priced pubs

I do find it baffling that people seem so upset about some escorts charging what they consider very high fees. If a girl can get it, who's business is it besides herself and her client?

and to answer your question Allanah
I think a tgirl escort should command a higher fee than gg 'cause the performance can't be faked

[hwbs]

i think a lot of the time with gg ur dealing with agencies which raises the final price..

[Jericho]

Unfortunately, I won't be one of her clients.

Same here.
I've seen adds where a girl wants £500 (About a 1000 $) for a night. I'm thinking, "Bugger that, airfare to Bangkok's looking attractive!"



Have you, would you, or are you willing to pay a higher price for a GG escort than a TS escort

Never hired a GG, so i guess that's a "no" by default.

[the_corner]

Honestly... IMHO... I would pay more for a TS provider than a GG provider....

Actually, why pay for a GG? there are good looking girls everywhere, so unless is like a star or something... yet to meet a TS girl, paying might be the only way.... (Not everywhere is NY where you have those parties you can go to and meet the people.)

About paying more... I guess I would pay more if I had to... yet I would do it less frequently than by paying less :) simple math.

Of course the price varies with the market (and the market varies with location, country, quantity of girls, etc etc)... sounds frivolous, because we are talking about people here... but is true... and IMHO you should pay according to the market standards plus minus some deviation... but I would do the exception if its well worth.

[Byrdman]

I think you need to differentiate between escorts you're likely to see just once and those you might see on a regular basis.
I live in London and, occasionally, we get high profile porn stars (like Allanah or Wendy Williams or whatever) coming over to visit. In those circumstances I probably would part with a lot because there would be the thrill of being with an escort whose face you've seen hundreds (if not thousands) of times.
That said, when we get other visiting escorts, no matter how beautiful, I usually shy away. The reason is that I can't help but feel that they're here to make a quick buck and that customer satisfaction is not exactly a priority.
But back to Allanah's origiinal point. When I see a high price I tend to think the girl is probably a rip-off. Why? And, when I see an unusually low price (and, bear in mind London is EXPENSIVE, so what's low here may not be low elsewhere) I tend to think it's a rip-off too (though, occasionally, I might be horny and think "what the hell" -- sometimes it turns out great, sometimes it's a waste of my time).
For my part, I tend to go for girls in the mid-range (which, in London is £150 to £200 an hour). For that kind of money I expect a girl who is clean, friendly and tries to engage with me on some kind of level during our session (it doesn't necessarily have to be a GFE, but she should at least make an effort: being hot isn't enough for me). And, unless we really don't click at all, I would expect her to think in terms of "repeat business".
As I learned from watching an episode of "The Office", it costs ten times as much to attract a new customer than it does to retain an existing one.

[jniowa]

I would not pay for a GG escort simply because, in my opinion, pussy is easier to come by than a very sexy TS woman. Also, it is their body, they can charge what they want for access to it. There are some girls I can't afford to see and that sucks but I'm not going to complain about it. Any escort has to balance out what they feel their services are worth and then charge what they feel they can actually get. They can and should be able to charge what they want without getting any grief about it. Just my opinion.

[ohioguy13]

I would agree with Allanahs point of it beeing a free market. I do believe Craigslist is flooding the market with low price alternatives. Also some of the providers should look at the local economy before traveling If a girl is coming through the midwest and think her cell is going to ring off the hook when shes in michigan and posting a 500 fee think again people dont have as much disposable cash as they did a year ago even. One point I would like to make is a T girl on eros listed three different prices and was vague when I tried to differentiate the difference. I wasnt trying to negotiate her down but with multiple pricing I though it was confusing. Just post a rate in your ad stick to it If someone wants Prada theyll pay for Prada if someone wants Walmart then theyll pay for that to each his own I say. Right now between 200 and 250 is the norm in the midwest

[trannyfan80]

Interesting points, raised Allanah.

To reiterate some of the other points - I wouldn't pay for a GG-Escort. Like it has been said, as long as you're not some kind of social recluse, its easy to meet GGs and although not always easy, fairly normal practice to pull one, take her home and bump uglies. In that respeect, its pretty much impossible to meet a sexy TS, even in London. Having to pay for TS-Escorts is pretty much the only way.

I, like most guys on here, have a self-imposed limit. It is, however, fluid based on who the escort is.

For my first time with a TS Escort, I wanted to have a memorable experience. And I wanted to meet "the best" - so I paid above the odds (£300 in 2005) to meet Allanah when she was visiting London. Expensive, but knowing what I wanted, I was prepared to pay the fee. Similarly, if Vaniity or any other girls in my "top-list" were ever to visit and escort, I'd probably raise the limit again.

HOWEVER - £1500 for an hour. Thats never going to happen!

The girls who want to raise their prices to that type of range are clearly after a certain clientele - but just as paying more for an escort is not necessarily always a guarantee of service (The best escort I've been with is one of the cheapest - Mid-range, but cheaper than others), clients who can afford to pay more are not necessarily going to be better clients. They are going to be the super-wealthy and they don't always get there by being nice guys (in my opinion).

So, in summary, like with all things in life, moderation is probably the key - setting your price at a decent level is going to get you decent clients, and weed out the complete despots. Raising your price to a prohibitively expensive level is going to exclude some of the normal, mid-range, and decent guys (like myself!!!)

In my view, the prices will balance over time. But at the end of the day, none of the girls TS (or GG) are actually providing a service because they want to provide A SERVICE - they're out to make money and will therefore do what they need to do maximise the cash. Which is a shame.

[Shining Star]

Way one sees it there are several factors going on at the same time, all adding to the mix.

First it is not totally equal to compare merchandise, a Prada or Gucci purse for instance to "escorts". Assuming one has a credit card, one can purchase a Gucci bag for several hundred and pay it off in one month, one year or ten years, or even longer. Most trannie escorts, indeed as with escorts in general do not accept credit cards, and the transaction is cash upon providing of service.

In all categories of escorts, trannnie, GG, and male, there are several levels. There are former and current porn and "models" from the gay,st8 and trannie market with ads/working as escorts. Indeed a trip over to "Rentboy.com" would surprise one as to the household names one can purchase by the hour. These persons are always at the top of the feeding chain (for as long as their looks and or star appeal hold out), and will command top dollar.

Next one has escorts either through reputation or history are known to provide excellent, reliable and discreet service, who may or may not also be part of the above group. Like eating at one's favourtie restaurant, or having one's hair done by a certain hair dresser, you know what you are going to get, and are willing to pay.

Next one has the rest, your average jobbing escorts, who earn all or part of their income from escorting and basically are just earning a living the best way they know how and or trying to earn extra money. Many, many factors go into their pricing, ranging from looks, age, performance, financial needs at the time, etc. For instance it is a very well known secret that many trannie escorts advertise both on Eros, in the Village Voice and even now on Craigslist. Rates depend upon which advert one calls, with Eros normally being the highest and either the Village Voice or CL being the lowest.

Remember it was not too long ago, at least for the New York market, Screw was the only place girls advertised, and that was for a long time a handful of girls. Going rates were incall for $100-$150, and outcalls $250 and up. Around the time the Internet bubble began, with men running around with more money than sense, Exotics came along, and girls moved from Screw to the net in droves when they found out they could charge $200-$300 per hour for incall, and get it several times per day. Eventually Screw was killed of by Interent advertisers and cheaper adverts in the Village Voice.

What one is seeing now is just as with all other sorts of print advertising, advertisers are moving to the Internet in droves. Craigslist is replacing adverts in say the Village Voice or other free weekly newspapers, and for several good reasons.

Eros.com and Exotics.com, along with the others as paid advertising sites, have to walk a very tight line not to run afoul of various federal, state and local laws of which promoting prossing is but one. Eros.com over the past year or so has tightened up their photo requirements, model release and more importantly their ID process for advertisers. Many trannies (and perhaps GG and male advertisers as well), simply do not have the proper papers, and or are unwilling to submitt them to be on file with Eros. One can hardly blame them, I mean if one is engaging in illegal activity why would you want to have your ID on file with someone? Eros.com makes it clear in it's release not only will it give all information to anyone with vaild court papers, but will charge the advertiser for all and any costs incurred.

Craigslist is not a paid advertising site, but one large message board for the most part. By various laws CL cannot be held responsible for the behaviour and content of it's advertisers since it is only the "messenger" as it were. Escorts would much rather put up with having to reload an advertisment several times a week or month for the price (free) and some bit of priviacy.

As for rates, well girls charge what they think the market will bear. If one girl hears another is getting $500/hr, she will try to get the same as well. And why not? That is how a market economy is supposed to work.

What many people do not understand is that trannie escorts, unlike their female or even male counterparts have a much more difficult time of things, which factors into their rates.

Take for instance just living in NYC. Anyone who lives here can tell you it is NOT cheap, with even a rat infested hell hole in the Bronx costing $600/month. Unlike GGs and males, there normally aren't persons out there willing to help a trannie (unless she is living stealth) find an apartment for a decent rent and or help with said rent. It one time it was easy to find digs in certian "bad" parts of Manhattan, but there aren't any bad parts of Manhattan anymore for the most part, and landlords are commanding huge rents. Even if one is making several thousand per month on the game, landlords want to see proof/papers, something not all trannies have.

At one time the Upper Eastside/Yorkville from say the 50's to high 90's was escort central, esecially for trannies. Now for the most part GGs remain (as recent high profile prossie busts prove), but the trannies are long gone. There are a few remaining, most either no longer work or see "old" clients.

You also have to factor in the "risk" factor when it comes to pricing. I've said it a number of times, in many areas of the country such as New York, people are wise to what the deal is, and it is no longer cool to have men tramping in and out of one's apartment all hours of the day and night. However if a girl's monthly nut is say $4000 per month she has to get that money some way. Better to see a few customers at $1000 or even $500 each, than 100 at $50. LE is coming down hard on escorts, especially in response to complaints from those living in the same building (as the most recent Upper Eastside prossie bust proved), so girls have to keep things on the down low. With violent crime down, NYC and other area LE have more time to deal with "quality of life" crimes, which have been tied in with terrorism and human trafficking (the two new favourite phrases of LE at the moment), which in a way leads to higher rates. Girls that are fresh from jail, and or the higher the pressure from LE, need to make maximum money quickly, so they will either try to get higher rates, or see lots of customers at lower rates.

[Yoda Rules!]

I'm not an advocate of escorting but we are in America and our system is based upon capitalism so if someone can charge an extreme amount of money, more power to them.

[blckhaze]

charge what you think a guy would pay to be with you. You have bills to pay and rent due just like most of us (the ones not shacking up with there mothers). Its not the greatest profession in the world or the most respected, but You gotta make bread till another avenue opens up.

[tsntx]

wow girl, great post... you pretty much said the same thing ive been saying about porn tho... girls are allowing themselves to be cheated by hundreds if not thousands of dollars... companies are making long term income while the girl is getting paid her hourly rate that she charges for escorting... the reason is the same as you stated. bc there are hundreds of other "girls" lined up ready to do it for less... they may not be as pretty or as far transitioned as you have but the company hiring her would rather pay her $500 2 different times then pay you $1000 once... until girls stick together and raise their rates and their self worth ... higher end girls are going to continue getting the shaft while these boys in bad wigs are cleaning house

1 good example... theres a boy here in austin that works off CL and gets all made up so he can escort as a "ts" ... he charges $100/hr while the other girls are all charging $250 ... hes been escorting about a year and went from a room in the slums to his own condo downtown and from having no car to owning a brand new paid in cash $25-30k car

:(

[blckhaze]

wow girl, great post... you pretty much said the same thing ive been saying about porn tho... girls are allowing themselves to be cheated by hundreds if not thousands of dollars... companies are making long term income while the girl is getting paid her hourly rate that she charges for escorting... the reason is the same as you stated. bc there are hundreds of other "girls" lined up ready to do it for less... they may not be as pretty or as far transitioned as you have but the company hiring her would rather pay her $500 2 different times then pay you $1000 once... until girls stick together and raise their rates and their self worth ... higher end girls are going to continue getting the shaft while these boys in bad wigs are cleaning house

1 good example... theres a boy here in austin that works off CL and gets all made up so he can escort as a "ts" ... he charges $100/hr while the other girls are all charging $250 ... hes been escorting about a year and went from a room in the slums to his own condo downtown and from having no car to owning a brand new paid in cash $25-30k car

:(

tru tru

ps- last episode of the show was Priceless :P

"chaser..."

[Shining Star]

TsNtx, brought up a point I wished to touch upon as well.

The term "transgender" or even "shemale" is not regulated, and today one has all sorts of persons slapping on lipstick and a bra because they've figured out men will pay more or dick wrapped in lace.

Back when there was high prossing in the Meatpacking district, there was this 6'5' big ole muscular young buck that ran around in high heels and a mini skirt, not even remotely passing or trying to; he had dates backed up for miles!

Look on CL and you will see pretty much the same thing. Many persons calling themselves trannies that would'nt know a hormone if it bit them on the butt, and the only time they think about being "female" is to make money.

Sadly for the trannie escorts, there is a sizable number of potential dates that don't care how passable a "girl" is, they just want that itch scratched at a decent rate.

SS

[tsntx]

TsNtx, brought up a point I wished to touch upon as well.

The term "transgender" or even "shemale" is not regulated, and today one has all sorts of persons slapping on lipstick and a bra because they've figured out men will pay more or dick wrapped in lace.

Back when there was high prossing in the Meatpacking district, there was this 6'5' big ole muscular young buck that ran around in high heels and a mini skirt, not even remotely passing or trying to; he had dates backed up for miles!

Look on CL and you will see pretty much the same thing. Many persons calling themselves trannies that would'nt know a hormone if it bit them on the butt, and the only time they think about being "female" is to make money.

Sadly for the trannie escorts, there is a sizable number of potential dates that don't care how passable a "girl" is, they just want that itch scratched at a decent rate.

SS

thnx :D ... was it this guy? http://www.gayborhood.tv/lgbtube.cfm?view=video&id=270


@ black... ty babe "chaser!" "chaser!"

[Shining Star]

ROTFLMAO!

No girl, funny as that was, it wasn't him.

Only caught glimpse of the brother when out at Florent or some other such place in the West Village. But remember he was a big brother, looked like he should be playing football or something.

When you think about it, such "girls" are up most trannie chaser's street. I mean it solves the "how big are you" and "can you c**e" question, hairy leggs and all. *LOL*

SS

[tsntx]

ROTFLMAO!

No girl, funny as that was, it wasn't him.

Only caught glimpse of the brother when out at Florent or some other such place in the West Village. But remember he was a big brother, looked like he should be playing football or something.

When you think about it, such "girls" are up most trannie chaser's street. I mean it solves the "how big are you" and "can you c**e" question, hairy leggs and all. *LOL*

SS

haha yeah look at how popular ____________ is ;) haha fags


edited for your approval haze

[blckhaze]

ROTFLMAO!

No girl, funny as that was, it wasn't him.

Only caught glimpse of the brother when out at Florent or some other such place in the West Village. But remember he was a big brother, looked like he should be playing football or something.

When you think about it, such "girls" are up most trannie chaser's street. I mean it solves the "how big are you" and "can you c**e" question, hairy leggs and all. *LOL*

SS

haha yeah look at how popular kayla coxx is ;) haha fags

lol shoulda left it blank, that way we could insert any name we wanted :P

[tsntx]

edited it 4 u

[BeardedOne]

Interesting thread. I've been watching this subject ebb and flow for a number of weeks under a number of subjects.

I'm going to resist the temptation to talk about credit cards (Some providers do accept them, though reluctantly), because it will only get me going on the rant that the average American consumer thinks they can afford a $1k item if they charge it on their plastic that they could not otherwise afford if they paid in cash. Truth is, if you can't afford it now, you certainly won't be able to afford it later after a healthy APR is tacked onto the total. But most people are ignorant about how money and credit work and will never clue into that.

Dammit! I talked about them anyway. :x

There was an occasion when I found that a gurl I had wanted to meet was going to be in town for a few days and I fished around in the seat cushions and looked under the furniture and checked the pockets of jackets I hadn't worn in a while to see if I had the scratch to go out on a date. As I found enough to afford such an outing, I discovered that another gurl of my desires was in the area at the same time. Lacking the post-lottery fantasy of being able to just call both of them for a group grope, I agonized over which to call. The agony was short-lived as I realized that there was a significant difference in the 'roses' they requested. Though I could have afforded one hour with the first gurl, I was able to go for two with the other and that was my choice as I hate to rush and prefer a leisurely, relaxed time with my companions.

The higher rate has not completely turned me off of wanting to meet that gurl, it's just that it will be another time and, for me a more upbeat economic climate. I also don't see the lower rate that the other gurl charged as selling herself short. In a competitive climate, her rate won a new client and the rate, as well as her upbeat manner and enthusiasm, will have me calling again when budget and schedule cross paths again.

Another thing I've seen is gurls who are either new to the scene or have consistently expressed a dislike/disdain for escorting or, more to the point, the clientèle as a whole. They will sometimes post a rate that is way out of whack with their seniority/popularity in the community with the basic premise that they'd rather =not= have the clients calling. The thinking being that if someone is going to shell out that level of a donation then they can at least treat themselves to a post-traumatic shopping spree afterwards.

Christ, I'm sure that some of these gurls price themselves high just so they can get the occasional day off.

The gurls charge what they charge. You either pay it or you don't. I've noticed that my bitching about the price of gasoline has had not a wit of effect on its daily rise, so I have little hope that any kind of constant guff on this or any other T forum is going to cause a massive stabilization of escort rates anytime soon.

Hell, as it is, I am somewhat thankful that Eros fucked up one gurl's travel schedule this past week. Elsewise, I'd be happy, but unable to buy food for a week or two. :roll:

[qeuqheeg222]

i see girls on eros and on craigslist in the same day...then later that night i see them on the stroll under the highway overpass..geuss this is the "day old discount rack"..but seriously they can charge what they want too and if people are gonna pay it fuck it ..an if i know i can get the same girl and a the same shit on the street for $80-sucking and fuckin(i like to top)vs.$200 to 300!!why not bargain shop at the flea market??

[inanelymad]

Get what you can. If you can work less and get the same pay do it. If you've seen the show on the Moonlight Bunny Ranch on HBO, they are always going for $1500/hr for any girl, the porn stars get more.

While there may be fewer TS girls to choose from, there are also alot fewer potential clients than the GGs have. And lets face it, there are a lot of guys who might go to a GG worker, b ut would never feel comfortable going to a TS even if they really wanted to. I think the demand side of the equation will always limit what a TS worker can charge.

[slinky]

i think a lot of the time with gg ur dealing with agencies which raises the final price..

I disagree: the rates for independent GG girls are generally higher than the rates for independent TS girls. If there are "higher end" TS escort agencies (and I don't know of any that are as "high end" as the upper end GG agencies), they are under the radar, so what's seen by "us" is more the general non-availability of that whole upper end TS escort. If you compare apples to apples, it's not an agency cost added. In fact, just within GG escorts the prices between independent and agency girls is pretty much the same. And if you talk about brothels, the price is usually lower for brothels than independents. This is seen in that most girls who leave brothels or are working both independently and at a brothel at the same time almost universally charge more as an independent than at the brothel.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

It makes sense that a brothel would charge less because they are interested in turn over and getting 50% of the money. Where an independent girl does not have to work as hard for less money. But them again the brothel has alot more responsibilty and bills that the worker does not have. Or agency.

I do disagree with the other poster about there being a slower demand for ts escorts- though of vourse there is a higher demand for GG escorts population wide- there is a very high deman for ts escorts as well. Comparibly, I would say that most men that visit GG escorts at one time or another will visit a TS escort just becausr they are curious. I mean, how many guys that go to escort sites looking for GG's are looking in the TS section out of plain curiosity? I would bet most of them.

[slinky]

I have a personal threshold for what I'll pay for the company of a lady. It has nothing with affordability, simply my sense of how important I value the pursuit of my own pleasure.
Here's a food analogy: I can afford to eat in any restaurant I want to, but why should I pay $350 for wine and dinner when so many places are just as good for $250? Same food, same service. As a matter of fact, my favorite restaurants are some very moderately- priced pubs

But it's not the same food and service. You may not wish to pay for the difference, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Do you really think there's not difference between a $10 bottle of wine and a $100 bottle of wine and anyone who pays the difference can't tell them apart?

Here's where this argument usually falls apart with escorts: A guy says "no girl is worth more than $250". When asked about some girl, he acknowledges that she's worth the $250 (or whatever price point you want to pick). The you ask him about some girl who is much better looking: is she worth any more? If he's not lying, he'll acknowledge that the answer is "yes". QED.



and to answer your question Allanah
I think a tgirl escort should command a higher fee than gg 'cause the performance can't be faked

That's assuming she's going to actually perform. Haven't we had the joke conversations about what "functional", "fully functional" etc. mean in the ads? Yes, a girl who is actually going to get hard, cum, etc. has a limited number of appointments she can do a day. But the flip side of this is that a GG girl can fake it, so you can be better off with a faked performance from a GG than a non-performance from a TS (and we've all seen that happen).

[AllanahStarrNYC]

I have a personal threshold for what I'll pay for the company of a lady. It has nothing with affordability, simply my sense of how important I value the pursuit of my own pleasure.
Here's a food analogy: I can afford to eat in any restaurant I want to, but why should I pay $350 for wine and dinner when so many places are just as good for $250? Same food, same service. As a matter of fact, my favorite restaurants are some very moderately- priced pubs

But it's not the same food and service. You may not wish to pay for the difference, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Do you really think there's not difference between a $10 bottle of wine and a $100 bottle of wine and anyone who pays the difference can't tell them apart?

Here's where this argument usually falls apart with escorts: A guy says "no girl is worth more than $250". When asked about some girl, he acknowledges that she's worth the $250 (or whatever price point you want to pick). The you ask him about some girl who is much better looking: is she worth any more? If he's not lying, he'll acknowledge that the answer is "yes". QED.



and to answer your question Allanah
I think a tgirl escort should command a higher fee than gg 'cause the performance can't be faked

That's assuming she's going to actually perform. Haven't we had the joke conversations about what "functional", "fully functional" etc. mean in the ads? Yes, a girl who is actually going to get hard, cum, etc. has a limited number of appointments she can do a day. But the flip side of this is that a GG girl can fake it, so you can be better off with a faked performance from a GG than a non-performance from a TS (and we've all seen that happen).

Danny I would say that you are indeed correct on your last statement.

Unless you are pumped with Viagra, Cialis, etc- or NOT on hormones it is virtually impossible to get hard and ejeculate with every client.

I knew a male escort once who was very busy and his cao was 5 clients a day because he could not cum more than five times a day- and at the end he was exhausted. And for gay escorts, cumming is a must.

TS cutomers want a girl who looks flawlessly undetectable, smooth, feminine with a hard cock that shoots like Peter North. Now that might exist- but that is vistually impossible if you are taking homones and maitining your feminine apperance.

As well for a GG is is SOOOOOOO much easer for her to fake if the guy is completely hideous to her or not turning her on at all. A TS can't do that.

So I would say TS work is much harder, in the terms of preassure to perform.

Cause all ALL of oyu guys know, you all have times when your dick just ont budge- and that is in a no preassure, cassual sexual encounter.

[slinky]

The other factor is Craigslist. Which in my opinion is ruining the online escorting business. It's street prostitution brought online. The Internet was a place where the higher priced call girls where and the more upscale clients. Craigslist to me is sad. I see girls with rates of $50, $60, $80 which is just unbelievable to me. I recall when I first came to NYC the going rate was $150 for EVERYONE. Unless of course on the street. And the sad part is that GG usually still charge more than TS on Craigs! I just can't believe how much prices have dropped on Craigs- and the only assumption I can make is that street girls have moved indoors are on Craigslist now.

I agree with your facts, but I will point out that CL is "the great equalizer". There are a number of both TS and GG escorts who go on CL for rates lower than they advertise on LC, so it's not just the street girls. For the street girls, it's the opposite: almost all of them charge more on CL than where they usually get their tricks. the guys trolling CL generally have a very narrow price band, so the lower end gets raised up and the higher end gets knocked down. But if the higher end girls didn't get desperate and go on CL for discounted prices, there would be no "ability" of CL to "ruin" anything: everyone would know all you could get on CL was low level street or street-like girls. But when you can go on CL and get THE VERY SAME GIRLS who are advertising on Eros, etc. for a lot less, who is it that is ruining things? I think the blame lies more on the girls who are doing the low level trolling than CL or the low level girls: they are just doing "what comes naturally".

And that's really always been the case in this business: all girls look at other girls and blame them for guys wanting discounts. But the guys who want discounts always wanted them. When there wasn't a CL, they just went to 14th St 9or wherever). And a lot of girls who say in public that they discount girls are "ruining the business" are at the same time doing the same thing. there are tons of girls who's "rate" is $300 or $400 or whatever that turn some tricks for a lot less. Half the girls on the the Grooby sites have been had for $100 at some time or another. There are girls who come up to me at.... wherever... and want me to trick with them who I really have to bite my tongue to avoid blurting out "I liked you better when you were charging $30 on 14th Street" (but I don't).

[AllanahStarrNYC]

The other factor is Craigslist. Which in my opinion is ruining the online escorting business. It's street prostitution brought online. The Internet was a place where the higher priced call girls where and the more upscale clients. Craigslist to me is sad. I see girls with rates of $50, $60, $80 which is just unbelievable to me. I recall when I first came to NYC the going rate was $150 for EVERYONE. Unless of course on the street. And the sad part is that GG usually still charge more than TS on Craigs! I just can't believe how much prices have dropped on Craigs- and the only assumption I can make is that street girls have moved indoors are on Craigslist now.

I agree with your facts, but I will point out that Ll is "the great equalizer". There are a number of both TS and GG escorts who go on CL for rates lower than they advertise on LC, so it's not just the street girls. For the street girls, it's the opposite: almost all of them charge more on CL than where they usually get their tricks. the guys trolling CL generally have a very narrow price band, so the lower end gets raised up and the higher end gets knocked down. But if the higher end girls didn't get desperate and go on CL for discounted prices, there would be no "ability" of CL to "ruin" anything: everyone would know all you could get on CL was low level street or street-like girls. But when you can go on CL and get THE VERY SAME GIRLS who are advertising on Eros, etc. for a lot less, who is it that is ruining things? I think the blame lies more on the girls who are doing the low level trolling than CL or the low level girls: they are just doing "what comes naturally".

And that's really always been the case in this business: all girls look at other girls and blame them for guys wanting discounts. But the guys who want discounts always wanted them. When there wasn't a CL, they just went to 14th St 9or wherever). And a lot of girls who say in public that they discount girls are "ruining the business" are at the same time doing the same thing. there are tons of girls who's "rate" is $300 or $400 or whatever that turn some tricks for a lot less. Half the girls on the the Grooby sites have been had for $100 at some time or another. There are girls who come up to me at.... wherever... and want me to trick with them who I really have to bite my tongue to avoid blurting out "I liked you better when you were charging $30 on 14th Street" (but I don't).

That is true. I've never understoof why girld hsve different prices for different venues. I myself have never and will never do CL. Why? It's a bunch of time wasters, cheap skates, rude calls, and just crazy people.

I think these girls dont realize that customers look at ALL the sites and
the papers. Though I am not sure really high end guys are looking on CL.

[slinky]

There's an old line in the business that there are no $1,000 girls, only $1,000 tricks (OK, so I'm dating myself, this was when $1,000 was outrageous). Back when me and the other dinosaurs ran agencies where there was no internet, many agencies ran multiple ads with multiple phone numbers. The price on the ad corresponded with a phone number: so the agency had a $150 line, a $250 line, a $350 line.... but the girls were all the same no matter which line you called.

While that still exists a little bit, the internet has put a huge dent in that practice. but the point is still the same: there are tons of girls who charge different prices to different tricks. And as well there are tons of guys who pay all sorts of different prices for all different types of girls (like Allanah talked about the guy with the polaroids). I know quite a few guys who get $60 blowjobs at underground parties and also see girls for $1,500 overnites.

[Shining Star]

One thing to consider as well, is that merely asking for high rates, does not always mean dates will pony up if one provides less than what is expected.

Websites like SER and more importantly TER have given men outlets to do "Consumer Reports" on female and trannie escorts. Time was when a trannie would demand $$$ and give the guy the worst 15mins of his life, then turn him out the door. Now dates have their revenge and girls know that. Top rated girls command high rates because in part reviews back them up.

OTHO guys have been known to blackmail a provider by stating they will give her a black mark if she won't do this or that.

Personally think the whole escort scene is getting a bit out of control, and recent scandals seem to prove my point. It seems like everyone and their mother (or father) is turning dates. CL cannot delete adverts fast enough, LE is pretty much shooting fish in a barrel pickings are so easy and good. It must be hard for workers, especially trannies to eek out a living, more so if they are in high rent areas.

For trannie escorts, the problem has always been there is only a finite amount of men interested in seeing TSs. GGs and even male escorts have a potential larger pool. Time was a trannie would just change her ad and be the "new girl" for awhile, but now with review sites that does not always work. Worse you have ( and I'm sorry to say this), latina trannies flooding the market, not just from south of the border, but many young girls (and some boys), finding out they can earn fast money turning dates as a girl.

The other problem is that many men who see trannies have little or no brand loyalty. While some may dream of being with a " top rated" girl, and spend accordingly. Others just want to get their itch scratched and want it done cheaply as possible.

In a way it is sad many of the non-working trannie bars are gone. It would free up men who don't wish to pay, to meet girls who don't charge, and leave the market to those who wish to play the game. I mean with all the St8 and gay bars in the world, there still are GGs and men who are paid good money for escorting. Even the Internet hasn't changed things that much.

Have said it before, one must remember not every top girl or boy is there for long. If one is ever lucky enough to attend a party at the Playboy mansion, you will see lots of "older" women who were "hot" in their days as porn queens, escorts and such, now basically hanging around for any guy to throw them a bone. Sure these women are only in their 30's or even 40's, but by industry standards they are old women. Guys want the hot 18 year olds from the Mid-West or where ever the new girls are coming from. Same with gay escorts/porn stars. Again visit over on Rentboy.com and other such sites and you will see some famous named models escorting. Maybe some great legends command top dollars, others go for what they can get.

In a way the Internet has been good for escorting, and very bad at the same time. While girls and guys no longer have to hit bars or street corners to work, the market has expanded to many players, and when that happens prices always go down.

[slinky]

That is true. I've never understoof why girld hsve different prices for different venues. I myself have never and will never do CL. Why? It's a bunch of time wasters, cheap skates, rude calls, and just crazy people.

I think these girls dont realize that customers look at ALL the sites and
the papers. Though I am not sure really high end guys are looking on CL.

There's a lot of girls who use CL as "fill in". I know a bunch of my advertisers who have told me they make most of their money off of my site still use CL when they have a slow day because it's "instant gratification" (on both sides). Of course, they always complain about the guys from CL being exactly what you said (time wasters, cheap skates, rude calls, and just crazy people), but it's free and when you need your schedule filled to pay the bills........ you do what you have to.

In the old days, girls would go to certain hotel lobby bars that were known for having working girls (The Oak Bar at The Plaza was famous for it). Now they go on CL.

As far as higher end guys on CL, I have a close friend who sees at least one girl a week and sometimes three or four that he pays between $400 and $800 for (not an hour; for a "date" which lasts a minimum of 2 hours). I also know of guys who book up to $3,000 dates off of CL. But most of these guys are there trolling for "non pro" girls. Of course, even $3,000 isn't really high end. Which is why I chuckle when I hear guys talk about "no girl should charge more than $250" (or whatever). I think everyone here would be shocked if they knew the number of girls out there commanding (and getting) $10,000 a night (or MUCH more).

[slinky]

The other problem is that many men who see trannies have little or no brand loyalty. While some may dream of being with a " top rated" girl, and spend accordingly. Others just want to get their itch scratched and want it done cheaply as possible. .

I don't think it's a TS vs GG thing, or even necessarily a $ thing: there is a very significant portion of the trick population that just doesn't see the same girl twice (or rarely does so). The whole reason they are doing it is for variety, so they see as many different girls as possible.

[slinky]

Websites like SER and more importantly TER have given men outlets to do "Consumer Reports" on female and trannie escorts. Time was when a trannie would demand $$$ and give the guy the worst 15mins of his life, then turn him out the door. Now dates have their revenge and girls know that. Top rated girls command high rates because in part reviews back them up.
.

But there is also a lot of corruption in the system. I know on SER they will delete (or they used to, anyway) bad reviews of girls if the girl asked for it to be removed. they also wouldn't put up what they really paid if it was a low number: there are lots of quid pro quo bought and paid for reviews (both GG and TS). You even have agencies openly offering discounts for (good) reviews.

I don't think the review sites have changed things as much for TS escorts as for GG escorts in that I think there are still a higher percentage of "a trannie would demand $$$ and give the guy the worst 15mins of his life" than with GG girls. Certainly if you limit it to those who are "internet" girls. Just take a look at Eros: half of the "just visiting" or "new" TS girls are neither of those, whereas that's not nearly the case with GG girls.

[slinky]

In a way it is sad many of the non-working trannie bars are gone. It would free up men who don't wish to pay, to meet girls who don't charge, and leave the market to those who wish to play the game. I mean with all the St8 and gay bars in the world, there still are GGs and men who are paid good money for escorting. Even the Internet hasn't changed things that much.

You see it creeping into discussions all the time here: how many "all TS are hookers" discussion have there been because the only TS that most of the guys have ever seen are in the business?

[slinky]

In a way the Internet has been good for escorting, and very bad at the same time. While girls and guys no longer have to hit bars or street corners to work, the market has expanded to many players, and when that happens prices always go down.

I have to disagree on this one: of course it is, like everything else, a matter of supply and demand. And for all the new supply because of the internet, there's also an awful lot more demand. As I've stated earlier in this thread, the internet has raised the lower end up substantially. But it has also done what it has done for a lot of other things: everything is the same on the internet ("everyone is equal on the internet"). everyone's opinions are of equal merit, etc. You end up with a lot of "lowest common denominators". You see this out in Queens with the fast houses: the one's with runners singing "chicas chicas" on Roosevelt Avenue are $40; the one's on the internet - with the same girls in them - are $80.

You also see part timers getting more by using CL than they could get without the internet. There are all sorts of college girls, working single moms, etc. who trick to make ends meet. they may only throw an ad up once a week or once a month, but when they work they have lots of tricks to choose from. Before the internet, their options were extremely limited. Maybe try to drop some hints... but to who? A lot ended up streetwalking once in a while or going to the hotel bars, but then they only got the same prices the girls who went to those places got. Now, they can pick up guys on sites like Sugardaddie.com and get premium prices.

[Shining Star]

In a way it is sad many of the non-working trannie bars are gone. It would free up men who don't wish to pay, to meet girls who don't charge, and leave the market to those who wish to play the game. I mean with all the St8 and gay bars in the world, there still are GGs and men who are paid good money for escorting. Even the Internet hasn't changed things that much.

You see it creeping into discussions all the time here: how many "all TS are hookers" discussion have there been because the only TS that most of the guys have ever seen are in the business?Oh there are non-working trannies out there. Just that so many are not comfortable with what the scene has become, they avoid going out to dedicated trannie bars, parties and such.

[slinky]

Have said it before, one must remember not every top girl or boy is there for long. If one is ever lucky enough to attend a party at the Playboy mansion, you will see lots of "older" women who were "hot" in their days as porn queens, escorts and such, now basically hanging around for any guy to throw them a bone. Sure these women are only in their 30's or even 40's, but by industry standards they are old women. Guys want the hot 18 year olds from the Mid-West or where ever the new girls are coming from. Same with gay escorts/porn stars. Again visit over on Rentboy.com and other such sites and you will see some famous named models escorting. Maybe some great legends command top dollars, others go for what they can get. .

You mentioned site like TER before: perhaps it's very different on the TS section, but in the GG sections, it's FULL of older girls (in fact it seems like most of the prominent female posters are older girls). I've joked that some of these girls had to become prostitutes because it's the only way they could get laid because if they went to singles bars no one would look twice at them.

[slinky]

Oh there are non-working trannies out there. Just that so many are not comfortable with what the scene has become, they avoid going out to dedicated trannie bars, parties and such.

Agreed. Like I said in the "99% of shemales are hookers" thread:


99% or more of the girls on Eros are hookers, too.

If your only exposure to transsexuals is through portals where girls go to advertise themselves, then yes, you're going to find a high percentage of them selling themselves. It's sort of a corollary of the old Willie Sutton "Why do you rob banks? Because that's where the money is". Try hanging out is places where none of the TS's are working girls and your view will change.

[slinky]

Danny I would say that you are indeed correct on your last statement.

Unless you are pumped with Viagra, Cialis, etc- or NOT on hormones it is virtually impossible to get hard and ejeculate with every client.

I knew a male escort once who was very busy and his cao was 5 clients a day because he could not cum more than five times a day- and at the end he was exhausted. And for gay escorts, cumming is a must.

TS cutomers want a girl who looks flawlessly undetectable, smooth, feminine with a hard cock that shoots like Peter North. Now that might exist- but that is vistually impossible if you are taking homones and maitining your feminine apperance.

As well for a GG is is SOOOOOOO much easer for her to fake if the guy is completely hideous to her or not turning her on at all. A TS can't do that.

So I would say TS work is much harder, in the terms of preassure to perform.

Cause all ALL of oyu guys know, you all have times when your dick just ont budge- and that is in a no preassure, cassual sexual encounter.

This is why I haven't really tried to recruit TS for the cam sites* which I bug all the girls to work for us: a GG can do 25 shows a day, but a TS can't make good money even at the higher end of the spectrum (about $10 a minute) because every guy wants a money shot.


* know there are TS cam sites, but a lot more have triid and failed than have succeeded. Same for the gay sites, except for some of the niches like bodybuilders who can stand an pose all day long.

[Shining Star]

I've heard about those houses off and or Roosevelt Avenue. From what I hear lots of those girls are part of human traffic rings, brought in to "work". Much as are other criminal rings bringing in Russian/Eastern European women and those from Asia as well.

As for the Interent equalising things, well yes, your average woman in need of cash would die of humliation being seen say on a stroll, or going into a bar known for escorts, but running an ad is another story. There was even a character on "Desparate Housewives" who worked out of her surburban home.

CL fits in well with part timers for reasons I mentioned before. If you have a reputation to protect, you probably aren't going to want to reveal your ID and sign papers for Eros.com or some such site. Just think of a situation where a woman is threatened with loosing her children and the husband serves Eros.com with papers. Mind you it does not prove the woman was prossing, but it does not look good for a "respectable" woman either.

[slinky]

I've heard about those houses off and or Roosevelt Avenue. From what I hear lots of those girls are part of human traffic rings, brought in to "work". Much as are other criminal rings bringing in Russian/Eastern European women and those from Asia as well.

While that does exist, it's is nowhere near the epic proportions that the unholy alliance of left wing do gooders and right wing Puritans makes it out to be. In fact, the NY Times Magazine article which pretty much kicked off the whole thing has been widely discredited as having the facts just plain made up out of whole cloth:

http://www.slate.com/id/2094646/

Sex Slaves of West 43rd StreetThe New York Times Magazine gets carried away in its investigation (http://www.slate.com/id/2094414/)

What is also being kept hush-hush is that part of the "loyalty oath" that Third World countries have to sign to get US Foreign Aid says that they have to "stamp out" the sex business in their countries. About 2 years ago, in The DR they closed all of the brothels in Santo Domingo, prompting one of the Supreme Court justices to ponder "Why are they doing this? These businesses are legal" (in fact, they were government regulated). In India, one of the best outreach centers for working women was denied aid because the head (a woman) refused to condemn the women who were being helped for being prostitutes. I could go on and on (yeah, yeah "you already have", I know).

[RueMue]

As the matter is *almost* done and out of consideration for running operations all postings were removed by the author/s.

This is also my final appeal to stop all illegal activities.

[glenntinnyc]

you want a ferrari then you pay for one you want a fiero you pay less, simple as that. They both start with an F and have seats and tires but we all know the diiference.

[AverageJob]

anything over $150 is absurd and can be easily replaced with a $4 porn rental

[needsum]

I am someone who has experience with GG escorts, and one individual experience with a TS escort. Im a member of another board where we share and discuss info on escorts, about who provides quality service vs. lousy service, what the rates are, etc.

From my experience there, it seems that the most "popular" rate guys are ok with paying is about $200. There is an acceptance to paying more, but there is also an overwhelming requirement from most guys that when paying $200 or more for an hour, there are a few stipulations that go with it.

Most men want the GFE, or "girlfriend experience" There is a bit of interpretation when deciding just what GFE means, but in general it means kissing, multiple "pops" in the given timeframe paid for, and the highly controversial to this site "BBBJ" (or bareback blowjob).

It seems that from between $200 and $250 there are plenty of GG's, whether agency girls or indy, who will provide this GFE service. While not breaking the bank, $250 is a lot of money and when spending it, it's nice to know that you can generally expect the kind of encounter you're hoping for. I don't know anyone who is OK with shelling that money out for 5 minutes worth of pumping and then leaving when he cums. To me, that form of assisted masturbation is not worth any amount of money.

I know there are all sorts of people out there. there are those with intimacy issues who would most likely go with a "cheaper" girl just to get a nut off and then be able to leave without hassle. There are girls out there who charge by the 15 min, half hour and hour, giving these types of clients the opportunity to get what they want. I guess in doing things this way these girls are taking advantage of the current market and making the best of it.

But for me, and a lot of guys like me, it's not about the sex, or busting a nut. It's a substitute for something thats lacking in our lives. I will go see a girl maybe 2-3 times a year when I feel the need to connect with someone on a deeper, more intimate level. I will research and choose someone with whom I feel a visual connection, but also someone that I know will take the time to talk with me and make the experience more memorable and pleasureable. I want to enter the room knowing that while I'm there, it's just about the two of us, and if I've booked an hour then the whole hour is spent in whatever way we engage it. If we have sex for the whole hour, thats great. But maybe we will kiss, fondle, share a little oral and caress and talk for the hour, and that is great as well. Again, for me it's not about cumming, it's about the experience as a whole. So if I'm going to get that intimacy, then I'm ok with paying a little more. I've actually been fortunate in that the last girl I saw was the girl I've been searching for. I've seen her a couple times now and have not ventured anywhere else since meeting her the first time. She comes to my area every so often and when she's not here we keep in touch via email. Shes a wonderful woman and we have a terriffic friendship.

As for TS escorts, I feel the same way. If I'm going to call on a TS escort, my wish and expectation is that I'm going to have a enjoyable time, not just get a glorified handjob and then get rushed out the door. I've read many jaded viewpoints on here about how some of you gurls feel regarding escorting and treating it as a means to an end only. And thats ok, you do what you will, it's your life and you have to make the very best of it. Just know that not all of us out here are looking to just fuck you and split. Even if you are an escort, it doesn't mean that there cannot be some sort of a connection made and a nice, sensual time had between us.

The bottom line is, for me, if you're going to be in this business and are planning on charging more $$ than your competitors, then have something to offer more than just a simply sexual few minutes. Because if you do, the guy looking for a quick bang will go find that CL skank or that streetwalker. Which clears out the slobs and leaves you with the rest of us, who are the guys you want to have as clients.

Just my :2cent

[IsuckTgirlCock]

I always would pay them even more than they asked, that way Id get VIP service whenever I called them again, theyd always see me anytime, theyd answer my calls when theyd see my number calling, they put me at the top of the list of 'johns'......thats if i really liked the tgirl. And id tip them extra esp if they would cum.
as long as they give the guy a good experience they should charge at least 300 minimum i think, more for the star quality ones. Ive dropped 1k on them before for 1hr basically of service (say thanks Yasmin) and much more than that for regular girls in vegas.
then again if they charge too much, most tgirl admirers cant afford to see them for more than 150, so they wont get as many suckers like me calling

[spt6969]

Price is relative to the service, attitude and amount of time, friendliness and location. It is a risk for both parties at some level; I have found too often regardless of gender that it is a straight business transaction which I do not enjoy. I have been fortunate to meet a few girls who had a great attitude, were friendly and really were a GFE. Maybe I am naive, but I prefer a GFE and over the years have developed a relationship with some girls and have seen them for multiple years. As with any thing in life, you get what yo pay for. What I hate is to pay more money and get less, as I am sure the ladies feel when some slob walks in the door!

[slinky]

anything over $150 is absurd and can be easily replaced with a $4 porn rental

For the guys that feel like this: When there are no girls around for $150, do you go to peep shows and get blown thru glory holes? I mean, it's a BJ from a person with an XY chromosome, so it's all the same, right?

[slinky]

I am someone who has experience with GG escorts, and one individual experience with a TS escort. Im a member of another board where we share and discuss info on escorts, about who provides quality service vs. lousy service, what the rates are, etc.

From my experience there, it seems that the most "popular" rate guys are ok with paying is about $200. There is an acceptance to paying more, but there is also an overwhelming requirement from most guys that when paying $200 or more for an hour, there are a few stipulations that go with it.

Most men want the GFE, or "girlfriend experience" There is a bit of interpretation when deciding just what GFE means, but in general it means kissing, multiple "pops" in the given timeframe paid for, and the highly controversial to this site "BBBJ" (or bareback blowjob).

It seems that from between $200 and $250 there are plenty of GG's, whether agency girls or indy, who will provide this GFE service. While not breaking the bank, $250 is a lot of money and when spending it, it's nice to know that you can generally expect the kind of encounter you're hoping for. I don't know anyone who is OK with shelling that money out for 5 minutes worth of pumping and then leaving when he cums. To me, that form of assisted masturbation is not worth any amount of money.

I know there are all sorts of people out there. there are those with intimacy issues who would most likely go with a "cheaper" girl just to get a nut off and then be able to leave without hassle. There are girls out there who charge by the 15 min, half hour and hour, giving these types of clients the opportunity to get what they want. I guess in doing things this way these girls are taking advantage of the current market and making the best of it.

But for me, and a lot of guys like me, it's not about the sex, or busting a nut. It's a substitute for something thats lacking in our lives. I will go see a girl maybe 2-3 times a year when I feel the need to connect with someone on a deeper, more intimate level. I will research and choose someone with whom I feel a visual connection, but also someone that I know will take the time to talk with me and make the experience more memorable and pleasureable. I want to enter the room knowing that while I'm there, it's just about the two of us, and if I've booked an hour then the whole hour is spent in whatever way we engage it. If we have sex for the whole hour, thats great. But maybe we will kiss, fondle, share a little oral and caress and talk for the hour, and that is great as well. Again, for me it's not about cumming, it's about the experience as a whole. So if I'm going to get that intimacy, then I'm ok with paying a little more. I've actually been fortunate in that the last girl I saw was the girl I've been searching for. I've seen her a couple times now and have not ventured anywhere else since meeting her the first time. She comes to my area every so often and when she's not here we keep in touch via email. Shes a wonderful woman and we have a terriffic friendship.

As for TS escorts, I feel the same way. If I'm going to call on a TS escort, my wish and expectation is that I'm going to have a enjoyable time, not just get a glorified handjob and then get rushed out the door. I've read many jaded viewpoints on here about how some of you gurls feel regarding escorting and treating it as a means to an end only. And thats ok, you do what you will, it's your life and you have to make the very best of it. Just know that not all of us out here are looking to just fuck you and split. Even if you are an escort, it doesn't mean that there cannot be some sort of a connection made and a nice, sensual time had between us.

The bottom line is, for me, if you're going to be in this business and are planning on charging more $$ than your competitors, then have something to offer more than just a simply sexual few minutes. Because if you do, the guy looking for a quick bang will go find that CL skank or that streetwalker. Which clears out the slobs and leaves you with the rest of us, who are the guys you want to have as clients.

Just my :2cent

While I agree with most of what you are saying, even at the $250 level you don't get really good looking girls who give good service (yes, there's a big argument about this: lots of guys who see girls at this level claim the girls are great looking. But if you would show their pics to guys outside the scene as "normal" girls, you'd get a very different opinion).

Basically, there's a matrix of Looks, Service, Price and Availability. You get to pick up to three of those, but then the market forces the rest on you. So, for example, if you want a girl for $250 with great service who is generally available, the market will force "looks" on you. If you want a great looking girl for $250, the market will force performance on you. If you want a great looking girl who gives great service and is available, the market will force price on you.

[rocklob]

Here in Hawaii the escorting is sparce, so when a girl comes over from the mainland they routinely get $300/hr. I am willing to pay this, especially for a date with Mia Fever, or Veronica Loren. But recently I saw a girl, paid her $300 up front, and I was clearly too old or unattractive for her. It was the most underwhelming hour I've ever spent with a tgirl escort. I felt like I wasted my money. I know all experiences can't be earth shattering, but the jerk and rush out the door trick really pisses me off at that price range (or any for that matter).

[needsum]

While I agree with most of what you are saying, even at the $250 level you don't get really good looking girls who give good service (yes, there's a big argument about this: lots of guys who see girls at this level claim the girls are great looking. But if you would show their pics to guys outside the scene as "normal" girls, you'd get a very different opinion).

Basically, there's a matrix of Looks, Service, Price and Availability. You get to pick up to three of those, but then the market forces the rest on you. So, for example, if you want a girl for $250 with great service who is generally available, the market will force "looks" on you. If you want a great looking girl for $250, the market will force performance on you. If you want a great looking girl who gives great service and is available, the market will force price on you.

I can see your point on this one. But I think if you're not looking for the JEnna Jameson or Jennifer Paris of the escorting world every time, you still don't have to sacrifice looks to get the whole package. The girl I've been seeing is by all accounts a knock-out--amazing body, really cute face, and so totally open sexually that pretty much nothing is off limits, and she only charges $200/hr. AND shes a total sweetheart. But you're right--in general, you end up sacrificing something to get something else.

Beren there done that more than once.

[slinky]

I can see your point on this one. But I think if you're not looking for the JEnna Jameson or Jennifer Paris of the escorting world every time, you still don't have to sacrifice looks to get the whole package. The girl I've been seeing is by all accounts a knock-out--amazing body, really cute face, and so totally open sexually that pretty much nothing is off limits, and she only charges $200/hr. AND shes a total sweetheart. But you're right--in general, you end up sacrificing something to get something else.

And the fourth item: is she generally available? Openly advertises where guys can find her, and can be reached on reasonably short notice?


PS "pretty much nothing is off limits". So she takes and gives anal creampies?

[jessrabitchaser]

Recently, there has been some talk on here about providers raising there prices to levels which are usally charged by elite GG escorts. Understandably, there has been some back lash, as well as those who understand that a free market, means just that. You are free to charge what you please for your service.

I can totally understand this backlash towards a higher fee- as men who frequent ts escorts are simply NOT USED to paying that kind of money.

I should know very well. I've worked at all spectrums of the escorting business from working to an agency, to different price points, to at several times demanding the most expensive fee on Eros by a TS.

I once met an elderly gentleman years ago who hired me to visit him. Back then I believe the fee was $500 for the house visit. As we got to talking he pulled out a stack of Polaroid next to his bed. The Polaroid consisted of some of the most well known GG porn stars and escorts at the time.This was a gentleman who probably saw three-five escorts a week and had the means to do it. As part of their session he would ask the lady to pose for a Polaroid for him. In the stack was a Polaroid of XXX Star Houston- whom he told me he had paid $2,000 an hour for, with a two hour minimum. At that point I felt slightly cheated. Here I was @ 500 and she was getting 4k from the same guy. Of course I was no Houston and could not command that- she was at one point one of the most famous XXX actresses in the mainstream. But it did certainly made me think of why GG prices are for the most part higher than TS prices.

I think this has to do mainly with immigration and the girls themselves setting the standards of their worth. In recent years there has been an influx of many TS on the net from other countries. Because these ladies obviously lived in different cultures and had different needs in their country, the money they can make, even though below the average of GG standards is still a hell of a lot more than they would ever make in their countries. With this they can probably lead comfortable lives in the US and of course help their families back home. The value of $100 I think is different from someone who came from a developing country than to a middle class American. I am sure if I was here fresh from Cuba, given the conditions people live in Cuba, I would be more than thrilled to be making $100 an hour.

This same point has been spoken to me about the influx of South American TS now in France, Spain, and Italy- who will for the most part charge much less and do much more than their native counter parts.

The other factor is Craigslist. Which in my opinion is ruining the online escorting business. It's street prostitution brought online. The Internet was a place where the higher priced call girls where and the more upscale clients. Craigslist to me is sad. I see girls with rates of $50, $60, $80 which is just unbelievable to me. I recall when I first came to NYC the going rate was $150 for EVERYONE. Unless of course on the street. And the sad part is that GG usually still charge more than TS on Craigs! I just can't believe how much prices have dropped on Craigs- and the only assumption I can make is that street girls have moved indoors are on Craigslist now.

Is it because we do not know our self worth or because we are afraid to raise out rates in fear that the phone will stop riging? It really should be the other way around. Transsexual providers should be worth more money as we are much less common than GGs population wise. We are indeed a specialty The business alone of a sex worker can be a very dangerous one. You put yourself at great risks in many aspects. And I think the business of being a TS sex worker is even more dangerous and high risk. Yet most girls still charge less money than GGs.

Partly the customers know this- customers who will spend a lot more with a GG will simply, for the most part, spend a lot less on a transsexual. Because they know what the 'going' rates are and can simply call the next girl.

From a personal view point- as my fees when I do tour are clearly much higher and the highest in the city at that time. I do certainly alienate a lot of potential visitors. But as I grew wiser- I really appreciate quantity over quality in any thing I do in my life. I'd rather own one great high end hand bag I can wear for six months than buy 40 cheap ones I can wear every day. I'd rather deal with a few nice guys then have to grind out 10 guys a day like a chop chop factory. But that is just my view point.

The beauty of capitalism is that you can really charge whatever you think your service is worth. Wether or not you may get someone to pay for it is a different story all together- but still you can charge whatever you wish.

I don't think that all ts escorts are going to run out and raise their prices. And I do think he more high profile girls can and some will succeed, BUT, I have seen many raise their rates to a very high price point then bring it back down to their old normal rate.

There are two types of girls who can charge a lot more. The porn star who is well known, famous in her genre, therefore her fans will pay to meet her at her price- and the well known escort, whose claim to fame, is just that- being an escort. I frankly laugh at GG and TS escort ads that say 'European model' or 'fashion model', or 'former Elite model'- truth be told any successful, working model is NOT running an escort ad anywhere. I'll take that back the day I see Kate Moss on Eros.

If anyone is successful and creating their own hype and marketing it- more power to them. Sometimes that hype is totally baseless though and will quickly fade. Longevity and success in any business is impetuous.One day your are hot the next day you are not (I know how cheesy that sounds but it is VERY true). Will you be a one hit wonder or be a star in your own right for a long time? I anyone needs to know what makes a success in an image based business all they have to do is take a look at Madonna, reinvention is the key.

With that being said. people should not be upset because anyone wishes to charge 5k an hour or 2K- that is there choice, as well as it is your choice not to pay it. In any market there are goods and price points for everyone.

Just as there is a demand and need for a $100 TS escort, they is also a demand for the $1000 escort.

But do remember the biggest re tailor is the world is Walmart and not Gucci.

Thoughts?????

So I ask you, hypothetically, what do you think about all of this.
Would you be a customer looking for the best bargain, or are you willing to pay
a higher amount for the girl you want to meet?

YES and I know some of you claim they would never pay for an escort- that's fine. But lets leave this as hypothetical question.



I would say there are barely even a handful of exotic ts's worth even $500

[qeuqheeg222]

and sometimes the higher cost factor up doesnt necessarily mean better service....the looks might be better(if the girl keeps her fotos on eros updated everyso often..wink)a 200 or 300 dollar girl may have had a bad day or might not like yourold-fat-bald-bottom-ass-cuz she came like uh like uh five times today-the best head ive ever received was from a gg and it was only $40..yes she had all her teeth...however i dont want to hijack things with the "who gives better head-ts or gg"drama...

[qeuqheeg222]

or some of you could gather up the balls to find out where some of these tgirls might congregate(clubs) and try and get some there...ive gotten quite a bit for free this way.....with mixed results in the sack...two tops,holdin their cocks and starin down the other person at 530 a.m. aint a gfe experience but hey i got a good bj,..

[needsum]

I can see your point on this one. But I think if you're not looking for the JEnna Jameson or Jennifer Paris of the escorting world every time, you still don't have to sacrifice looks to get the whole package. The girl I've been seeing is by all accounts a knock-out--amazing body, really cute face, and so totally open sexually that pretty much nothing is off limits, and she only charges $200/hr. AND shes a total sweetheart. But you're right--in general, you end up sacrificing something to get something else.

And the fourth item: is she generally available? Openly advertises where guys can find her, and can be reached on reasonably short notice?


PS "pretty much nothing is off limits". So she takes and gives anal creampies?

Well, her schedule is perfect for me. Like I said I don't hobby every week, it's only an occasional thing for me, and I'd been with many, many different girls until I met her, and she just happened to be the culmination of everything I was looking for in an escort. She comes to my area once in a while and when she does she lets all her regular clilents know, as well as posting an ad for others to see, but she books up really fast so her availability is based on how quick you are at dialing your phone.

As for the give/receive creampie thing, thats a no, because all penetration is covered and the only cum swapping is when I shoot into her mouth. And she's not a TS, she's a GG, so for her to give me an anal creampie would have to be something of a miracle . . .

But she loves anal, being rimmed, sucking cock/swallowing, deep passionate kissing, fucking in every position. Loves to fuck again and again, she cums often and hard and loves it. When I cum she works hard to get me going again so I can fuck her some more. She does doubles with another girl if requested, and I'm sure that if I wanted her to we would get into some really kinky stuff. But as it is she fulfills everything I've been looking for so I have zero complaints.

[AverageJob]

[quote=AverageJob]
For the guys that feel like this: When there are no girls around for $150, do you go to peep shows and get blown thru glory holes? I mean, it's a BJ from a person with an XY chromosome, so it's all the same, right?No, I give myself an HJ wilst watching the latest tgirl flick

[hi2u2]

I only sleep with TG escorts that charge more than the rest. With more money comes more service, such as custom outfits and fantasies. This is my whole reason for seeing an escort in the first place.

[hugochavez]

NO escort, GG or TS, is worth more than $500. Even $1,000 for porn star GG escorts is crazy.

[tsntx]

just bc YOU cant afford something doesnt mean its not WORTH that... wtf are any of yall to say what someones body is worth? if you dont think it is you certainly DONT have to see that girl but you for sure dont need to be saying it... yall sound like a bunch of broke assholes that shop at walmart telling the sales lady at the rolex store her shit isnt worth anymore than the gay ass swatch watch you got on....

[tstv_lover]

just bc YOU cant afford something doesnt mean its not WORTH that... wtf are any of yall to say what someones body is worth? if you dont think it is you certainly DONT have to see that girl but you for sure dont need to be saying it... yall sound like a bunch of broke assholes that shop at walmart telling the sales lady at the rolex store her shit isnt worth anymore than the gay ass swatch watch you got on....

Bottom line is that there are 2 types of guys here. One type looks for a meaningful relationship with commitment, time, emotions, affection and love. They wouldn't pay anything because they're after more than sex.

Then there are the guys looking purely for sex. For them it's just sex, illusion of GFE, "no strings" affair, etc and it's simply a matter of negotiating a mutually acceptable price. Girls servicing these clients take what the market will bear.

[hwbs]

just bc YOU cant afford something doesnt mean its not WORTH that... wtf are any of yall to say what someones body is worth? if you dont think it is you certainly DONT have to see that girl but you for sure dont need to be saying it... yall sound like a bunch of broke assholes that shop at walmart telling the sales lady at the rolex store her shit isnt worth anymore than the gay ass swatch watch you got on....


anyone that knows watches knows swatch rules the watch game because they own ETA....just playin with u jen ...muahhhhh :)

[OEMEnemyNum1]

just bc YOU cant afford something doesnt mean its not WORTH that... wtf are any of yall to say what someones body is worth? if you dont think it is you certainly DONT have to see that girl but you for sure dont need to be saying it... yall sound like a bunch of broke assholes that shop at walmart telling the sales lady at the rolex store her shit isnt worth anymore than the gay ass swatch watch you got on....


Whoa Whoa Whoa Jen, I am offended now.......I shop at Target thank you very much

http://batmanglass.ytmnd.com/

[needsum]

just bc YOU cant afford something doesnt mean its not WORTH that... wtf are any of yall to say what someones body is worth? if you dont think it is you certainly DONT have to see that girl but you for sure dont need to be saying it... yall sound like a bunch of broke assholes that shop at walmart telling the sales lady at the rolex store her shit isnt worth anymore than the gay ass swatch watch you got on....

HAHAHAHAHA YESS!!!! You are way funny Jen, I love it!

[NYTSJulie]

I dont care if a girl asks for 5k and a cheese burger to spend an hour with her.

I dont like when girls down sell. No girl should do a call for less the $250, no matter what she looks like, it keeps the market up. I get calls all the time where the guy has $100 or $150 bucks. Sorry but I wont piss on someone for that amount.

Back when I was an entrepreneur and ran my own little stable of girls in the mid-west I charged $250 for a TS. No one was bothered by the $250, it was the going rate and people expected to pay that rate. I was looking on Craigs List the other day and saw one of the girls who used to work for me asking $80 bucks for a call. I felt bad and was almost embarrassed for her.

[ARMANIXXX]

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[ohioguy13]

whatever the price just tell me your rate. This new trend of this $$ would make me happy but this $$would make me happier is opening the negotiations. then when you ask the difference between the prices quoted in an ad on eros or craigs dont get all bent out of shape. just quote a price and stick to it. when you ladies print two prices is when your going to get guys negotiating or trying to becuase you started it . Its confusing at best

[nohj68]

My usual limit is $300 and that's pushing it but I've done it. The most I ever spent, and this was to "treat" myself was $600 for a GG in NYC. She was fun, a nice girl, but not worth $600. She was up for anything and wasn't a "clock watcher" but I felt like she was putting on some bad act. Remember that crazy girl from "Threes Company" Lonna, the one always horny for Jack? That's what she reminded me of. Just relax and try to be yourself, sometimes that works, too.

Like I said, $300 is pushing it and that's for a GG and a TS. I've done it for both, but only based on great reviews.

[NYTSJulie]

I never negotiate on my rate. Although sometime when I travel I will charge more, if I go to a city and my phone blows up. There is no way I am gonna have time to see everyone who is calling in that city, so I charge more and get the guys with deeper pockets. My out call rate is the same hourly rate and I charge that rate while I am traveling to see someone. So if its an hour drive to see someone I charge for 3 hours, one hour drive there, hour with the client, hour drive back.

[wombat33]

Recently, there has been some talk on here about providers raising there prices to levels which are usally charged by elite GG escorts. Understandably, there has been some back lash, as well as those who understand that a free market, means just that. You are free to charge what you please for your service.

I can totally understand this backlash towards a higher fee- as men who frequent ts escorts are simply NOT USED to paying that kind of money.

I should know very well. I've worked at all spectrums of the escorting business from working to an agency, to different price points, to at several times demanding the most expensive fee on Eros by a TS.

I once met an elderly gentleman years ago who hired me to visit him. Back then I believe the fee was $500 for the house visit. As we got to talking he pulled out a stack of Polaroid next to his bed. The Polaroid consisted of some of the most well known GG porn stars and escorts at the time.This was a gentleman who probably saw three-five escorts a week and had the means to do it. As part of their session he would ask the lady to pose for a Polaroid for him. In the stack was a Polaroid of XXX Star Houston- whom he told me he had paid $2,000 an hour for, with a two hour minimum. At that point I felt slightly cheated. Here I was @ 500 and she was getting 4k from the same guy. Of course I was no Houston and could not command that- she was at one point one of the most famous XXX actresses in the mainstream. But it did certainly made me think of why GG prices are for the most part higher than TS prices.

I think this has to do mainly with immigration and the girls themselves setting the standards of their worth. In recent years there has been an influx of many TS on the net from other countries. Because these ladies obviously lived in different cultures and had different needs in their country, the money they can make, even though below the average of GG standards is still a hell of a lot more than they would ever make in their countries. With this they can probably lead comfortable lives in the US and of course help their families back home. The value of $100 I think is different from someone who came from a developing country than to a middle class American. I am sure if I was here fresh from Cuba, given the conditions people live in Cuba, I would be more than thrilled to be making $100 an hour.

This same point has been spoken to me about the influx of South American TS now in France, Spain, and Italy- who will for the most part charge much less and do much more than their native counter parts.

The other factor is Craigslist. Which in my opinion is ruining the online escorting business. It's street prostitution brought online. The Internet was a place where the higher priced call girls where and the more upscale clients. Craigslist to me is sad. I see girls with rates of $50, $60, $80 which is just unbelievable to me. I recall when I first came to NYC the going rate was $150 for EVERYONE. Unless of course on the street. And the sad part is that GG usually still charge more than TS on Craigs! I just can't believe how much prices have dropped on Craigs- and the only assumption I can make is that street girls have moved indoors are on Craigslist now.

Is it because we do not know our self worth or because we are afraid to raise out rates in fear that the phone will stop riging? It really should be the other way around. Transsexual providers should be worth more money as we are much less common than GGs population wise. We are indeed a specialty The business alone of a sex worker can be a very dangerous one. You put yourself at great risks in many aspects. And I think the business of being a TS sex worker is even more dangerous and high risk. Yet most girls still charge less money than GGs.

Partly the customers know this- customers who will spend a lot more with a GG will simply, for the most part, spend a lot less on a transsexual. Because they know what the 'going' rates are and can simply call the next girl.

From a personal view point- as my fees when I do tour are clearly much higher and the highest in the city at that time. I do certainly alienate a lot of potential visitors. But as I grew wiser- I really appreciate quantity over quality in any thing I do in my life. I'd rather own one great high end hand bag I can wear for six months than buy 40 cheap ones I can wear every day. I'd rather deal with a few nice guys then have to grind out 10 guys a day like a chop chop factory. But that is just my view point.

The beauty of capitalism is that you can really charge whatever you think your service is worth. Wether or not you may get someone to pay for it is a different story all together- but still you can charge whatever you wish.

I don't think that all ts escorts are going to run out and raise their prices. And I do think he more high profile girls can and some will succeed, BUT, I have seen many raise their rates to a very high price point then bring it back down to their old normal rate.

There are two types of girls who can charge a lot more. The porn star who is well known, famous in her genre, therefore her fans will pay to meet her at her price- and the well known escort, whose claim to fame, is just that- being an escort. I frankly laugh at GG and TS escort ads that say 'European model' or 'fashion model', or 'former Elite model'- truth be told any successful, working model is NOT running an escort ad anywhere. I'll take that back the day I see Kate Moss on Eros.

If anyone is successful and creating their own hype and marketing it- more power to them. Sometimes that hype is totally baseless though and will quickly fade. Longevity and success in any business is impetuous.One day your are hot the next day you are not (I know how cheesy that sounds but it is VERY true). Will you be a one hit wonder or be a star in your own right for a long time? I anyone needs to know what makes a success in an image based business all they have to do is take a look at Madonna, reinvention is the key.

With that being said. people should not be upset because anyone wishes to charge 5k an hour or 2K- that is there choice, as well as it is your choice not to pay it. In any market there are goods and price points for everyone.

Just as there is a demand and need for a $100 TS escort, they is also a demand for the $1000 escort.

But do remember the biggest re tailor is the world is Walmart and not Gucci.

Thoughts?????

So I ask you, hypothetically, what do you think about all of this.
Would you be a customer looking for the best bargain, or are you willing to pay
a higher amount for the girl you want to meet?

YES and I know some of you claim they would never pay for an escort- that's fine. But lets leave this as hypothetical question.


if chicks and ts girls were paying..........I'd gladly charge 110 per hour and never complain. What job out there is gonna pay $100 per hour??

I am just half kidding here of course. You raise some ecxellent points here. In the past I have also paid top dollar for a bums rush session. The girl could tell I was a newbie or just shy and easy going..........and as soon as they saw the $$ they gave me 15 minutes and were like "Thank you , come again".

I also had a few that charged in my opinion way too little and let me stay a long time, almost as if they wanted company. OF course I always added 100 bucks to those ones because the lady deserved it.

For me..........I don't see where anyone should really ask for more than 300 per hour. I think that is a TON of money for a short period of time..........most often less than an hour.

I agree people have the right to charge whatever they want..........why should you ladies be any different than Exxon or Mobil?

If people need it and will pay...........then ask for it I guess.

[slinky]

No girl should do a call for less the $250, no matter what she looks like, it keeps the market up.

This is as bad as the guys who say "no one is worth over $250". Same coin, different side. I guess girls should starve and/or get kicked out of their homes because they can't pay the rent so that other girls can get dates easier.

Whenever some new girl comes to a club, some other girls go "help them" by talking to them about things like what they should charge. Almost invariably, they tell them a number which is more than they charge. So the new girl wonders why the guys at th eclub are so cheap because they won't pay the "going rate", because she's quoting a number which is higher than the guys know they can get from every other girl at the club. And if the new girl doesn't listen, and charges exactly what everyone else charges, when she gets a bunch of business simply because she is "fresh meat" the other girls complain that she's "ruining the business because she's charging too little".

Lets face it, there's no monopoly on pussy (even if it's pussy on a stick), so there is no predatory pricing (go look that one up) in hooking. If a girl is worth what she's charging, other girls who are a class lower who are charging less shouldn't spook anyone.

[slinky]

I get calls all the time where the guy has $100 or $150 bucks. Sorry but I wont piss on someone for that amount.

Aren't water sports usually a premium?

[slinky]

whatever the price just tell me your rate. This new trend of this $$ would make me happy but this $$would make me happier is opening the negotiations. then when you ask the difference between the prices quoted in an ad on eros or craigs dont get all bent out of shape. just quote a price and stick to it. when you ladies print two prices is when your going to get guys negotiating or trying to becuase you started it . Its confusing at best

I agree with you 100%. You can't quote different rates and then get all bent out of shape when someone sees that and calls you on it. Also, while most girl tell you they don't negotiate, it's not true. They may not negotiate off of their 1 hour rate, but at some point you have to. If a guys want a weekend rate, is anyone going to add up the hours and multiply by their hourly rate? Or even if they have a weekend rate, how a bout a "3 day" weekend? Since you can't account for every situation, there's bound to be negotiations for off the menu items. This includes services which may be extras, but aren't on the menu.

[slinky]

My usual limit is $300 and that's pushing it but I've done it. The most I ever spent, and this was to "treat" myself was $600 for a GG in NYC. She was fun, a nice girl, but not worth $600. She was up for anything and wasn't a "clock watcher" but I felt like she was putting on some bad act. Remember that crazy girl from "Threes Company" Lonna, the one always horny for Jack? That's what she reminded me of. Just relax and try to be yourself, sometimes that works, too.

Like I said, $300 is pushing it and that's for a GG and a TS. I've done it for both, but only based on great reviews.

It is very often the case that guys are disappointed when they see girls who are at twice their usual maximum. It's natural that your expectations are just set too high because you had to justify to yourself spending twice your usual max.

[slinky]

I also had a few that charged in my opinion way too little and let me stay a long time, almost as if they wanted company. OF course I always added 100 bucks to those ones because the lady deserved it.

For me..........I don't see where anyone should really ask for more than 300 per hour. I think that is a TON of money for a short period of time..........most often less than an hour.

There have always been girls who charged less than the max they could, for various reasons. One of those reasons is so that they knew there were always going to be more guys wanting to see them than time available, and guys would feel "lucky" that they were able to get an appointment with them. The ex-gf I never got over was/is like this (and she was over $300 per hour). Guys were happy when they got an appointment after trying to book her for 3 months and she finally "fit them into her schedule".

[BrendaQG]

I have to Cosing with Allanah's original post.

My rate is my rate has been the same since 2006. Aside from getting stiffed, once. I try to project a classy image with my ads. That is how I justify the cost. If some people don't think I am worth my price they can go elsewhere. I don't need every man to want me just enough to get by.

[AverageJob]

just bc YOU cant afford something doesnt mean its not WORTH that...I can afford it I just choose not to pay it


wtf are any of yall to say what someones body is worth?

we're the consumer remember :wink:

[clarknog]

I am a newbie to the TS game, so I may come at this with a different perspective.

Let me start off by saying, an escort, be she TS or GG, should charge whatever she thinks she can get. This is a capitalist society. If the market can bear it, it will. If she wants to charge $100 a pop, cool. If she wants to charge $1000, still cool. A lot of cats want to buy a Porsche but can only afford a Dodge. Guess what? They buy the Dodge. And Porsche is not losing any sleep over the fact that a large percentage of the planet can't afford their car. The know the client they want and what they can get, so they charge it. If you are a Porsche, honey, be a Porsche. With no apologies.

With that said, other than in my very early 20s of picking up streetwalkers after the club for kicks, I have never sought the services of an escort, TS or GG. It isn't a money thing - I just never felt the need to pay for it. I don't begrudge the next cat for paying for an escort. Do you. God bless. If you want to spend the GNP of a small country on an escort and you aren't hurting anyone, have a ball. Literally. I have been fortunate to be blessed with the tools needed to pull what I deemed quality GGs. (I have "driven" Dodges and Porsches) I am also blessed and cursed with a ridiculous amount of arrogance. Sue me. So paying for it was never an option. My success rate isn't 100% but I have done well and have many fantastic sexual moments to show for it.

But now, I am entering entirely different waters. I have been attracted to TGirls for some time now, but have never been with one. I just went to my first party last week. (Great time, btw) The arrogant bastard in me says this will be no different. I should still be able to use the tools that have served me well to be with the quality I want. (Dodges and Porsches) I live in NYC, so that definitely helps me. And I understand as a result of not hiring an escort, I can potentially put the fantasy women (Allanahs and the like) out of my reach. But that was the case with GGs as well.

But I still think I should be ok. Maybe I am being naive. It might be a whole different game that I am not as equipped for as I want to believe. But until I start failing miserably or I want one of my fantasies and realize she isn't agreeing to anything because I have a great smile (LOL), an escort, at any price, will not be called.

Hope I didn't drift off topic.

[AverageJob]

Theres always a possibility that when you drive off from the lot in said Porsche, it wont provide the ride expected

[cheez]

this thread cracks me up.
Really if a dumbass wants to pay 2000 bucks for head then let him.
As for a standard rate, that makes me laugh as well. the only time I have ever produced my wallet was for Danielle Foxxx because she was the Gold standard and not many girls measure up to her in terms of beauty, charm and ability to hold a conversation. her hair implants and lips were all soft as silk. I can't tell you how many girls have rubbed up on me with tits as hard as battleship steel, hair that's been hotcombed to a frizzy death and stubble.
those girls are not getting the same fee as Danielle. Fuck that noise!!
There shouldn't be a standard rate because there are girls who far above average and those far below. Their prices should reflect that.
The supply and demand is also a big factor. I know from the few parties I attend the number of guys willing to pay is pretty low at times. I'll have thirty, forty girls asking me to "party." And two hours later, they'll still be asking. The most they will have generated is a few lap dances in between. How much did they make? A hundred bucks, maybe 150 that entire time?
there is a seemingly endless supply of tgirls and a limited number of fans who want to make their fantasy a reality and spend big ducats for a sexual encounter. like it or not, as Allanah once pointed out in a story many of the guys visiting t-girls are so jaded by fucking pussy for the last thirty years and endless hours of porn they just want something different. Guys like that, like me, are not gonna blow 1500 bucks on anything just to get a thrill.
the question is are there enough big ticket guys to go around to keep jen paris, Allanah and whomever else wants to charge big ticket prices in business?
Who knows? If the rates drop in a year or so we'll know there weren't. If they stay high, well I guess a sucker is born every minute because there ain't no such thing as an orgasm worth 2 grand in my book...

[BeardedOne]

** Many words **

For a newbie, you post some pretty clear thoughts without tripping over your brain along the way. :) Welcome to our collective nightmare. Are you my evil twin? <Thinking> Perhaps I am the evil one. Watch this space. :D

On pricing/negotiations: I tend to 'window shop' on Eros from time to time, just to see who's around in various venues (Said window shopping has led to some wonderful chance encounters as well). I've noticed a couple of cases where a gurl will quote one rate in one city and another, higher or lower, in the next. I'm sure that part of that is driven by geographical market forces (Higher travel costs for the gurl and/or lower per capita income for the clients) while some is apparently intended, as Julie mentioned earlier, to thin the crowd a bit. Having worked a traveling sales business for some years I can relate to a gurl not wanting to work ALL the time when visiting touristy places like SF, Miami, Chicago, etc.

Contrary to popular belief, money can buy happiness (Or at least rent it), but how happy can you be if you've labored yourself into a pine box? So, the rate gets boosted from time to time, the calls thin out, she gets some comfortable down time and the average numbers remain the same.

Lastly, an amusing image that I thought might be appropriate here:

[mfunluvr]

I dont care if a girl asks for 5k and a cheese burger to spend an hour with her.

I dont like when girls down sell. No girl should do a call for less the $250, no matter what she looks like, it keeps the market up. I get calls all the time where the guy has $100 or $150 bucks. Sorry but I wont piss on someone for that amount.

Back when I was an entrepreneur and ran my own little stable of girls in the mid-west I charged $250 for a TS. No one was bothered by the $250, it was the going rate and people expected to pay that rate. I was looking on Craigs List the other day and saw one of the girls who used to work for me asking $80 bucks for a call. I felt bad and was almost embarrassed for her.

You might also consider the fact that there seems to currently be a huge availability of TS's out there coupled with the falling demand due to hard times for formerly avid hobbyists. A lot of guys just resort to watching a flick and jerking off. That has been the case with GG's as well. Many hard-pressed students (some very hot looking) who would never have dreamed of doing this, have turned to the escort business to make ends meet and are going it alone and really killing the market for everyone.
I happen to be very new to this and haven't even done any more than looking at some hot pics and perusing craigslist and backpage. I'm still kinda nervous about dropping good cash for a possible disappointment having read about some of the more disappointing experiences on this forum.

[BellaBellucci]

My base rate is $250. I might go lower if I run a special or charge more for a fetish or fantasy, but that's my usual hourly rate. Don't like it? Too bad. I know I'm worth more and you're only getting a deal because Obama gave our money to the banks instead of back to us. :geek:

~BB~

[perrorojo]

I've said it before on other threads, and taken heat, but in my opinion
$250 is only reserved for the porn/internet stars. A few months ago Foxxy
was in town and I did her for $200. (well worth it)

In the cities I hang in --- houston, chicago, NY, LA, I have plenty of girls
in the 80 -150 range. And it's always the complete GFE++.

My experience pay more -- get less

I'm in Mexico every month, and rarely pay more then 20 - $40

For what guys are paying, they could fly to san antonio and spend the weekend fucking in Laredo, and still have money left over.

I've got plenty of money, but I just can't see wasting it.
And the times that I've broken down and paid the $250, I've almost always
been disappointed.

My recommendation for the cities I've listed --- learn spanish -- go to clubs
--- collect phone numbers -- and get it on, for much less.

You guys that live in England are fucked -- I've only had bad experiences there. Go to spain or germany for the weekend and pay much less for more!!

[flabbybody]

Originally Posted by NYTSJulie I get calls all the time where the guy has $100 or $150 bucks. Sorry but I wont piss on someone for that amount.


Aren't water sports usually a premium?

LOL. I miss slinky

[maaarc]

Originally Posted by NYTSJulie I get calls all the time where the guy has $100 or $150 bucks. Sorry but I wont piss on someone for that amount.

For $150 I'll not only pee on them. I'll pee on their whole family.

[BellaBellucci]

I've said it before on other threads, and taken heat, but in my opinion
$250 is only reserved for the porn/internet stars. A few months ago Foxxy
was in town and I did her for $200. (well worth it)

In the cities I hang in --- houston, chicago, NY, LA, I have plenty of girls
in the 80 -150 range. And it's always the complete GFE++.

My experience pay more -- get less

I'm in Mexico every month, and rarely pay more then 20 - $40

For what guys are paying, they could fly to san antonio and spend the weekend fucking in Laredo, and still have money left over.

I've got plenty of money, but I just can't see wasting it.
And the times that I've broken down and paid the $250, I've almost always
been disappointed.

My recommendation for the cities I've listed --- learn spanish -- go to clubs
--- collect phone numbers -- and get it on, for much less.

You guys that live in England are fucked -- I've only had bad experiences there. Go to spain or germany for the weekend and pay much less for more!!

Not only are you cheap, but you're seeing the wrong girls if you think $250 is 'paying too much.' End of story.

~BB~

[onmyknees]

My base rate is $250. I might go lower if I run a special or charge more for a fetish or fantasy, but that's my usual hourly rate. Don't like it? Too bad. I know I'm worth more and you're only getting a deal because Obama gave our money to the banks instead of back to us. :geek:

~BB~

250 dollars??? SOLD ! ( but I have lots of fetishes) LOL

[BellaBellucci]

250 dollars??? SOLD ! ( but I have lots of fetishes) LOL

People have no idea how kinky I am actually! :dancing:

~BB~

[onmyknees]

I've said it before on other threads, and taken heat, but in my opinion
$250 is only reserved for the porn/internet stars. A few months ago Foxxy
was in town and I did her for $200. (well worth it)

In the cities I hang in --- houston, chicago, NY, LA, I have plenty of girls
in the 80 -150 range. And it's always the complete GFE++.

My experience pay more -- get less

I'm in Mexico every month, and rarely pay more then 20 - $40

For what guys are paying, they could fly to san antonio and spend the weekend fucking in Laredo, and still have money left over.

I've got plenty of money, but I just can't see wasting it.
And the times that I've broken down and paid the $250, I've almost always
been disappointed.

My recommendation for the cities I've listed --- learn spanish -- go to clubs
--- collect phone numbers -- and get it on, for much less.

You guys that live in England are fucked -- I've only had bad experiences there. Go to spain or germany for the weekend and pay much less for more!!

80 bucks ? Let us all in on the particulars....although I fear that might be like going out for a fine bottle of wine for some special dinner guests and stopping at the dollar pallor and grabbing a gallon of Sangria.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Who brought this back from the dead?

Just a random thought- the WORST clients are usually the ones who go around asking for discounts when they don't need to-they just do it because they can. That burns me more than anything.

And it is really a shame that these girls sell their time for so cheap. Don't be too retarded for the party ladies.

[theone1982]

Any girls that give out coupons?:) "10% off your next visit.":) "One free _____ on your next visit.":)

[alyssaluxor]

Who brought this back from the dead?

Just a random thought- the WORST clients are usually the ones who go around asking for discounts when they don't need to-they just do it because they can. That burns me more than anything.

And it is really a shame that these girls sell their time for so cheap. Don't be too retarded for the party ladies.

this is so true from my experience!

usually the cheapo clientelle are the ones whos so hard to handle, so many demands, unhygienic, bad attitude, would treat girls with no respect and worst of all give bad feedbacks

generous clientelle usually very nice with the way they treat me, they treat me with utmost respect, a total debonaire gentleman and usually the ones who give good feedbacks

the reason i dont see cheapo clientelle anymore they just give stress and problems lol, i just refer them to other girls very happily ;)

[tsdvdman]

What about this new trend in Tgirls asking (begging?) for "free gifts" in the form of a Amazon Wishlist. That would seem to contradict everything you all talk about in this thread and others about "clients" who ask for discounts or try to negotiate price. Why would you expect/accept/solicit ANYTHING for free from the very men you despise. The only men who would even consider sending a girl a "gift" in this manner are the seriously perverted and undersexed maniacs and the ultimate stereotypical Tranny (bordeline stalker) Chasers (Again,,,all of which you stated you hate).
This hustle should also prompt you to change the way you normally respond and often times brag because you can no longer honestly say things like "I worked my ass off nobody gave me nothing" or "what I do is a business people should never expect a discount or something for free".
And if you are in some room falsely basking in the former "pornstar" days yet soliciting/begging for free stuff. I don't care what anyone says,,,it would suggest that you may still be a hung angel,,but you have also fallen. I think it's tacky!!

[omack]

I only paid once and realised it was the dumbest thing id ever done... said to myself well: "so I like t girls. Guess its time to hit the tgirl hangouts and try to get it done the old fashioned way without paying." So i hit the bars and clubs and learned how to pick em up That has worked decently for me so far.

But yeah, not bragging about not paying or knocking the dudes who do or the girls who work. I just found it way too expensive and not rewarding enough. Fact is, if you're decent looking and treat the girls with respect, buy em drinks, make em laugh and not act like a prick, for me it turns out that tgirls were easier to pick up than gg's. But yeah, if I were so inclined to pay for a top shelf tgirl, like say... kimer james with mariana cordobas cock... then $500 would be the limit.

[snuffy58]

Allanah, you said it's a free market and in a free market the price is what the market will bear. These aren't the best of economic times so if you want to keep the business coming you probably have to lower your price, how much is something you need to judge for yourself. Personally I'll go with a non-porn star for a lesser price. Although you are very enticing :salad

[alyssaluxor]

What about this new trend in Tgirls asking (begging?) for "free gifts" in the form of a Amazon Wishlist. That would seem to contradict everything you all talk about in this thread and others about "clients" who ask for discounts or try to negotiate price. Why would you expect/accept/solicit ANYTHING for free from the very men you despise. The only men who would even consider sending a girl a "gift" in this manner are the seriously perverted and undersexed maniacs and the ultimate stereotypical Tranny (bordeline stalker) Chasers (Again,,,all of which you stated you hate).
This hustle should also prompt you to change the way you normally respond and often times brag because you can no longer honestly say things like "I worked my ass off nobody gave me nothing" or "what I do is a business people should never expect a discount or something for free".
And if you are in some room falsely basking in the former "pornstar" days yet soliciting/begging for free stuff. I don't care what anyone says,,,it would suggest that you may still be a hung angel,,but you have also fallen. I think it's tacky!!

i think i want to open a wishlist also

its not because i like it because usually guys would give me gifts suddenly and the gift doesnt have any importance for me at all. just last year i have almost dozens of perfume in my dresser just gift from guys(you know those businessman who like to buy perfumes at the duty free airports). so i cant use them all just so many of them i just give them to my sisters and mom.

by the way i never ask any gifts from guys they are the ones who will just suddenly give it to me ;)

if anyone here would like to give me a gift what i need now is a very high glassy heels the ones who usually see in porn and some white sexy lingerie bra/bikinis and stockings would love to do a photoshoot for that for you thanks ;)

[Schimmel]

I've said it before on other threads, and taken heat, but in my opinion
$250 is only reserved for the porn/internet stars. A few months ago Foxxy
was in town and I did her for $200. (well worth it)

In the cities I hang in --- houston, chicago, NY, LA, I have plenty of girls
in the 80 -150 range. And it's always the complete GFE++.

My experience pay more -- get less

I'm in Mexico every month, and rarely pay more then 20 - $40

For what guys are paying, they could fly to san antonio and spend the weekend fucking in Laredo, and still have money left over.

I've got plenty of money, but I just can't see wasting it.
And the times that I've broken down and paid the $250, I've almost always
been disappointed.

My recommendation for the cities I've listed --- learn spanish -- go to clubs
--- collect phone numbers -- and get it on, for much less.

You guys that live in England are fucked -- I've only had bad experiences there. Go to spain or germany for the weekend and pay much less for more!!
Good post.


What about this new trend in Tgirls asking (begging?) for "free gifts" in the form of a Amazon Wishlist. That would seem to contradict everything you all talk about in this thread and others about "clients" who ask for discounts or try to negotiate price. Why would you expect/accept/solicit ANYTHING for free from the very men you despise. The only men who would even consider sending a girl a "gift" in this manner are the seriously perverted and undersexed maniacs and the ultimate stereotypical Tranny (bordeline stalker) Chasers (Again,,,all of which you stated you hate).
This hustle should also prompt you to change the way you normally respond and often times brag because you can no longer honestly say things like "I worked my ass off nobody gave me nothing" or "what I do is a business people should never expect a discount or something for free".
And if you are in some room falsely basking in the former "pornstar" days yet soliciting/begging for free stuff. I don't care what anyone says,,,it would suggest that you may still be a hung angel,,but you have also fallen. I think it's tacky!!
haha, good stuff.

[mikey_stl]

It's been awhile since I paid an escort. I like to look at the ads and fantasize, but I'm much more interested in a relationship than a one-night-stand these days. I'd rather save my money. Although I'm attracted to GGs, I wouldn't pay a GG escort. If I were to pay an escort, I would look for someone who's friendly and genuine, rather than the hottest girl. Naturally, I like the hot ones, but they've often got an attitude, so I'd rather have someone less hot who just acts like herself and enjoys her work. When I used to travel a lot to SF, NY or LA or some other city that has clubs that cater to TGs, I would often go to the club and spend time talking to several girls before choosing one. Invariably, it would not be the hottest girl, but one who is reasonably attractive, but personable, and not pushy about the money. When I would call an escort on the phone, if she was unpersonable I would not go to her. As far as price, if I were to pay these days, I probably wouldn't pay over $250. Unfortunately, those who are charging under $100 or usually skanky and nasty looking.

[robertlouis]

Any girls that give out coupons?:) "10% off your next visit.":) "One free _____ on your next visit.":)

A loyalty card with convertible points in Tesco would go down very well during these difficult economic times in the UK. Libby, Sammi, what do you think?

Every Little Helps, after all lol........

[Solitary Brother]

I've said it before on other threads, and taken heat, but in my opinion
$250 is only reserved for the porn/internet stars. A few months ago Foxxy
was in town and I did her for $200. (well worth it)

In the cities I hang in --- houston, chicago, NY, LA, I have plenty of girls
in the 80 -150 range. And it's always the complete GFE++.

My experience pay more -- get less

I'm in Mexico every month, and rarely pay more then 20 - $40

For what guys are paying, they could fly to san antonio and spend the weekend fucking in Laredo, and still have money left over.

I've got plenty of money, but I just can't see wasting it.
And the times that I've broken down and paid the $250, I've almost always
been disappointed.

My recommendation for the cities I've listed --- learn spanish -- go to clubs
--- collect phone numbers -- and get it on, for much less.

You guys that live in England are fucked -- I've only had bad experiences there. Go to spain or germany for the weekend and pay much less for more!!

You are disgusting.
You are beyond cheap and have NO respect for these girls.
I dont trick but if I did I would not be a cheap Trick.
I cant believe what I am reading you blood sucking bastard.
Im very offended by what you wrote.

[perrorojo]

Schimmel -- Thanks for the complement

Solitary Brother -- sorry for offending you

I'm just telling it like it is.

This forum is for sharing experience and knowledge

It's not just for internet super putas to brag about how much they charge
and call those with other points of view cheap

[BellaBellucci]

Solitary Brother -- sorry for offending you

I'm just telling it like it is.

This forum is for sharing experience and knowledge

It's not just for internet super putas to brag about how much they charge
and call those with other points of view cheap

Nobody's bragging... and you are cheap - to the point of being disrespectful just like SB said. :geek: :?

~BB~

[SammiValentine]

You guys that live in England are fucked -- I've only had bad experiences there. Go to spain or germany for the weekend and pay much less for more!!

haha yea right. Plenty of decent looking English girls that are getting good reviews.

Funny guys moaning about if they come to UK, turns out theyve been ripped off by... *insert random nationality* - I mean hello...:D At least try the fish and chips ya know while your here... :fuckin: haha

Seriously I am learning Spanish.. I want to move there eventually.

On topic I charge £150 for the hour, regulars get a "discount" or extra time at my discretion... much love is spread =)

[TJ347]

In the cities I hang in --- houston, chicago, NY, LA, I have plenty of girls
in the 80 -150 range. And it's always the complete GFE++.


Are we talking about cracked out street whores and crossdressers here, because back when I did the escort thing, anyone charging the rates you're talking about was the highest of the high risk. A crack whore or part-time gay/part-time "transsexual" meth head isn't my idea of a good time at any price, whether they offer the GF experience or not.

As to Mexico... Well, that's not really shocking at all. What is shocking is that you mentioned bagging Foxxy for $200. What was she, drunk?

[tsdvdman]

i think i want to open a wishlist also

its not because i like it because usually guys would give me gifts suddenly and the gift doesnt have any importance for me at all. just last year i have almost dozens of perfume in my dresser just gift from guys(you know those businessman who like to buy perfumes at the duty free airports). so i cant use them all just so many of them i just give them to my sisters and mom.

by the way i never ask any gifts from guys they are the ones who will just suddenly give it to me ;)

if anyone here would like to give me a gift what i need now is a very high glassy heels the ones who usually see in porn and some white sexy lingerie bra/bikinis and stockings would love to do a photoshoot for that for you thanks ;)
LOL..Allysa,,I can understand receiving gifts from clients and other dudes who come to see you and who you know on some level. I'm talking about the girls who claim to have this luxurious lifestyle due to porn or escorting yet have resorted to basically begging men for things they want/need and also say they despise being seen as a fetish. They want to capitalize on one hand and express hate and disdain on the other when it is status quo.

[TJ347]

The "luxurious lifestyle" bullshit is temporary, when it even exists at all. Say that she's flatbacking to make that $700 a month to pay for her apartment, spending whatever's left over on Gucci bags, boots and whatever the hell else, which is very common from my experience. Then one day the looks are gone and her clientele falls off, and the assorted bric-a-brac she held in such high esteem is essentially worthless even at the local pawnshop. She'd live on her savings at that point, but surprise! She doesn't have any. Now it's street whoring just to keep from ending up on the streets. Few of these girls have anything approaching a "happy ending" from what I've been told, to say nothing of what I've seen.

[Bobzz]

The "luxurious lifestyle" bullshit is temporary, when it even exists at all. Say that she's flatbacking to make that $700 a month to pay for her apartment, spending whatever's left over on Gucci bags, boots and whatever the hell else, which is very common from my experience. Then one day the looks are gone and her clientele falls off, and the assorted bric-a-brac she held in such high esteem is essentially worthless even at the local pawnshop. She'd live on her savings at that point, but surprise! She doesn't have any. Now it's street whoring just to keep from ending up on the streets. Few of these girls have anything approaching a "happy ending" from what I've been told, to say nothing of what I've seen.

TJ - you mean it doesn't end up like Pretty Woman where she doesn't have to work, ever, ever again? I'm shocked!

[TJ347]

Sorry to disappoint, Bobzz! I was just reflecting on threads here wherein this girl or that went into a description of living a "luxurious lifestyle" replete with handbags, boots and an apartment with wood floors, but neglected to mention the fact that 100% of the money that comes in goes right back out. Precious few girls are going to successfully parlay their escorting or whatever into a lifetime of financial comfort, regardless of what their current rates are or how many clients they see per day. Just keeping it "real"!

[alyssaluxor]

LOL..Allysa,,I can understand receiving gifts from clients and other dudes who come to see you and who you know on some level. I'm talking about the girls who claim to have this luxurious lifestyle due to porn or escorting yet have resorted to basically begging men for things they want/need and also say they despise being seen as a fetish. They want to capitalize on one hand and express hate and disdain on the other when it is status quo.

i think those girls youre saying are same like me, they just want to organize the things that they really need and want so that guys will give them proper gifts

i sometimes receive gifts from guys tshirts that are too big for me, dresses too small. you know gifts that would just suddenly arrive in my door without me knowing and asking anyone. so what happens i wouldnt be able to use them anymore. its better to have a wishlist so guys would know stuff that are really useful for us girls ;)

[BigDF]

i think those girls youre saying are same like me, they just want to organize the things that they really need and want so that guys will give them proper gifts

i sometimes receive gifts from guys tshirts that are too big for me, dresses too small. you know gifts that would just suddenly arrive in my door without me knowing and asking anyone. so what happens i wouldnt be able to use them anymore. its better to have a wishlist so guys would know stuff that are really useful for us girls ;)I like wishlists because they usually have a good range pricing options where I can buy something for a girl if I want to. I've bought stuff for one girl who occasionally posts on here as well as contributing to another couple of girls for expenses. I haven't been able to do much lately because of certain financial setbacks that my wife and I are working our way through, but I hope to able to help other girls I like in the future. Seems little enough to do for someone whose given me much pleasure and communicated with me, albeit for that most part online.:Bowdown::Bowdown::Bowdown:

[alyssaluxor]

I like wishlists because they usually have a good range pricing options where I can buy something for a girl if I want to. I've bought stuff for one girl who occasionally posts on here as well as contributing to another couple of girls for expenses. I haven't been able to do much lately because of certain financial setbacks that my wife and I are working our way through, but I hope to able to help other girls I like in the future. Seems little enough to do for someone whose given me much pleasure and communicated with me, albeit for that most part online.:Bowdown::Bowdown::Bowdown:

:iagree::iagree::iagree:

[tsdvdman]

I like wishlists because they usually have a good range pricing options where I can buy something for a girl if I want to. I've bought stuff for one girl who occasionally posts on here as well as contributing to another couple of girls for expenses. I haven't been able to do much lately because of certain financial setbacks that my wife and I are working our way through, but I hope to able to help other girls I like in the future. Seems little enough to do for someone whose given me much pleasure and communicated with me, albeit for that most part online.:Bowdown::Bowdown::Bowdown:
WOW,,that's all I will say..WOW!!!..lol

[payload4]

I believe its all about what the "john" can get. If I'm able to talk the escort down to a good price like 100$ then that is fair. If I meet one that is not willing to go for that price I move on to the next one. All I know is that in the end, the TS escort like a GG escort will take the money. I do not feel like I should throw down 200$ plus a "tip" just because it's a TS. I mean its only an hour and after that I have to bounce so why not get my money's worth? I' tired of hearing escorts talk about how cheap some "johns" are. It s two way street, you get money and we get sex, there just has to be a happy medium between the two. The escort's time with you is just as worthless as your time with her...Meaning no matter how charming you are, how nice you are, or whatever the case its all about the Green! All that is wanted is the exchange of sex and money. If the "john" is stupid enough to throw down $200, $500 and even $1000 an hour then that guy is a damn fool and getting ripped off. If I can't find a good escort on-line for the price that I want then I just stroll the streets find a decent one, wrap it up, and 20 mins later minus the $40 I'm satisfied! I see it like this, if your down and out and have no money and ask an escort for some time she would laugh in your face and tell you to piss off even if you have given her gifts and seen her multiple times, so I believe the client should be able to use the same kind of tact. If the girl wants $200 for one hour he should laugh and say he is going else where..Simple as that, there will always be an escort who is willing to deal...If you live in like N. Dakota or something then that sucks for you..but any good size city will always have some pickings, and any guy who calls me cheap is one that is broke! To many times I have met guys that spend thousands on a girl, end up broke and wonder what went wrong. Like anything in this world, when it comes to the market place, never pay full price for anything advertised unless you really want it and don't care what it cost. I love my money just as much as the escort does will not throw it away like some fool!

[payload4]

You are disgusting.
You are beyond cheap and have NO respect for these girls.
I dont trick but if I did I would not be a cheap Trick.
I cant believe what I am reading you blood sucking bastard.
Im very offended by what you wrote.

You sir are the disgusting one. How can you knock someone for what they do! Its not about being cheap its about paying for what you feel is a good price. If the other party agrees then its all good and there is no problem. There is nothing wrong with shopping around for the right price! If you don't trick then how could you comment on what he does? You are so typical when it comes to acting so self-righteous and thinking you are above others who do trick. It's all a game and that game is played by both sides. If you don't get that then the only bastard here is you! The only offensive thing I've read is that someone like you can judge someone else for what they practice....LOL:violin

[BellaBellucci]

You sir are the disgusting one. How can you knock someone for what they do! Its not about being cheap its about paying for what you feel is a good price. If the other party agrees then its all good and there is no problem. There is nothing wrong with shopping around for the right price! If you don't trick then how could you comment on what he does? You are so typical when it comes to acting so self-righteous and thinking you are above others who do trick. It's all a game and that game is played by both sides. If you don't get that then the only bastard here is you! The only offensive thing I've read is that someone like you can judge someone else for what they practice....LOL:violin

Wow. Another noob defending cheap, selfish behavior under the guise of 'tolerance.' Terrific. :rolleyes:

~BB~

[runningdownthatdream]

WOW,,that's all I will say..WOW!!!..lol

I'll throw a few extra WOWs in too.......................I think I'd rather donate to some starving kid in Rwanda

[runningdownthatdream]

You sir are the disgusting one. How can you knock someone for what they do! Its not about being cheap its about paying for what you feel is a good price. If the other party agrees then its all good and there is no problem. There is nothing wrong with shopping around for the right price! If you don't trick then how could you comment on what he does? You are so typical when it comes to acting so self-righteous and thinking you are above others who do trick. It's all a game and that game is played by both sides. If you don't get that then the only bastard here is you! The only offensive thing I've read is that someone like you can judge someone else for what they practice....LOL:violin

You just roll with the game, whatever it may be, don't you? I bet you'd be real good at the auction block, drive the price down on the scarred East European blonde by hyper-inflating the price of the Ethiopian. Way to go game player! Someday I hope you get exactly what you pay for...........

[BellaBellucci]

I'll throw a few extra WOWs in too.......................I think I'd rather donate to some starving kid in Rwanda

Well geez, I hope there's a message board for that and that the people on it are as sexy and entertaining as we are. 'Starving kid in Rwanda?' How's that for an interesting example of moral relativism? Because, yeah, instead of trying to make the money to better our lives (as well as yours by extension), we should just transform ourselves into sex symbols for your entertainment with the power of positive thinking, right? And for no other reason than your satisfaction. :?

~BB~

[Schimmel]

*blah blah blah blah*
... But yeah, if I were so inclined to pay for a top shelf tgirl, like say... kimer james with mariana cordobas cock... then $500 would be the limit.
lol at anyone who would pony $500 for Kimber.
LMFAO at anyone who would pony 500 for any escort!

[runningdownthatdream]

Well geez, I hope there's a message board for that and that the people on it are as sexy and entertaining as we are. 'Starving kid in Rwanda?' How's that for an interesting example of moral relativism? Because, yeah, instead of trying to make the money to better our lives (as well as yours by extension), we should just transform ourselves into sex symbols for your entertainment with the power of positive thinking, right? :?

~BB~

Wrong - a business transaction is a business transaction. I have no problem with that insofar as both parties are on relatively equal footing. However, soliciting for gifts is somewhat distasteful - I mean I sell my products but I don't look to my clients for handouts to support a wannabe lifestyle. If selling your body isn't making you enough to buy Gucci bags and Jimmy Choo shoes then maybe you should change your line of work and not demean yourself further by asking the clients you look down upon to give you perks.

Have some self-respect at whatever you do - either increase your prices or figure out that selling your body isn't a long term plan for wealth and success in this society.

I understand that sometimes we have to do whatever's necessary to survive and I respect that tremendously but view it (prostitution) for what it is - a short-term fix. It's not the way to wealth and happiness. So be a soldier and do what you have to do and then get the fuck out and that includes not begging for anyone to buy you $20.00 bullshit stuff. For me, I'd rather donate that 20.00 to someone who needs it more.

I'm sure you've heard of Xaviera Hollander - she was at the top of the top in the game for years and yet she ended up pretty broke. She's the norm I think.

And btw, I don't think stating any of that should make you any less sexy and entertaining ;-)

[TJ347]

lol at anyone who would pony $500 for Kimber.

I'll second that. However, I have paid more than $500 for an escort, and don't regret it.

[runningdownthatdream]

I'll second that. However, I have paid more than $500 for an escort, and don't regret it.

Did she have an Amazon wishlist?

[Schimmel]

lol hope I didn't offend you TJ. You have to tell me who. (in private if u wish)


Did she have an Amazon wishlist?
lol

[BellaBellucci]

Wrong - a business transaction is a business transaction. I have no problem with that insofar as both parties are on relatively equal footing. However, soliciting for gifts is somewhat distasteful - I mean I sell my products but I don't look to my clients for handouts to support a wannabe lifestyle. If selling your body isn't making you enough to buy Gucci bags and Jimmy Choo shoes then maybe you should change your line of work and not demean yourself further by asking the clients you look down upon to give you perks.

I absolutely agree, but you're judging the value of all transsexuals by the shallowness of the pornstar type escorts on this board and the frivolous things that they buy. Trust me, the reality is much different for many of us but I myself have spoken out against this type of behavior, so I don't think it's fair of you to stereotype us all.


I understand that sometimes we have to do whatever's necessary to survive and I respect that tremendously but view it (prostitution) for what it is - a short-term fix. It's not the way to wealth and happiness. So be a soldier and do what you have to do and then get the fuck out and that includes not begging for anyone to buy you $20.00 bullshit stuff. For me, I'd rather donate that 20.00 to someone who needs it more.

I'm sure you've heard of Xaviera Hollander - she was at the top of the top in the game for years and yet she ended up pretty broke. She's the norm I think.

Escorting is a short term fix, I agree, but trust me, with the connections that you make doing it, if you're smart, you can certainly parlay that into a long-term profit. There are other roles to be filled in the escort industry other than just being an escort (as well as investment opportunities), but more importantly, in the short term, if you really thought a girl was worth it, you wouldn't help her our finaicially even just a little? I think you're more compassionate than that, but I guess I could be wrong.


And btw, I don't think stating any of that should make you any less sexy and entertaining ;-).

Thank you. *blush*

~BB~

[timxxx]

Wrong - a business transaction is a business transaction. I have no problem with that insofar as both parties are on relatively equal footing. However, soliciting for gifts is somewhat distasteful - I mean I sell my products but I don't look to my clients for handouts to support a wannabe lifestyle. If selling your body isn't making you enough to buy Gucci bags and Jimmy Choo shoes then maybe you should change your line of work and not demean yourself further by asking the clients you look down upon to give you perks.

Have some self-respect at whatever you do - either increase your prices or figure out that selling your body isn't a long term plan for wealth and success in this society.

I understand that sometimes we have to do whatever's necessary to survive and I respect that tremendously but view it (prostitution) for what it is - a short-term fix. It's not the way to wealth and happiness. So be a soldier and do what you have to do and then get the fuck out and that includes not begging for anyone to buy you $20.00 bullshit stuff. For me, I'd rather donate that 20.00 to someone who needs it more.

I'm sure you've heard of Xaviera Hollander - she was at the top of the top in the game for years and yet she ended up pretty broke. She's the norm I think.

And btw, I don't think stating any of that should make you any less sexy and entertaining ;-)

Self-respect VS Free shit :shrug

If these suckers weren't sending money to the girls,who no doubt feel nothing but respect these guys ;) ,they wouldn't be donating the money to starving children.

[TJ347]

Did she have an Amazon wishlist?

No, she didn't. This was back in 2000, 2001.

Schmimmel: I was talking about a GG escort, who cost me about $800 or so. The most I ever paid for a tgirl escort was probably around half that, with one exception, where I spent about $600 or so. I won't mention that girl's name though, because she doesn't escort anymore and doesn't want it to be known that she ever did. I will say that she was absolutely worth every penny money, and would've been worth considerably more in my opinion. That said, my experience is that you get a better experience for $400 than you do for more money. I'm sure there are exceptions, but that's my experience.

[runningdownthatdream]

I absolutely agree, but you're judging the value of all transsexuals by the shallowness of the pornstar type escorts on this board and the frivolous things that they buy. Trust me, the reality is much different for many of us but I myself have spoken out against this type of behavior, so I don't think it's fair of you to stereotype us all.

Escorting is a short term fix, I agree, but trust me, with the connections that you make doing it, if you're smart, you can certainly parlay that into a long-term profit. There are other roles to be filled in the escort industry other than just being an escort (as well as investment opportunities), but more importantly, in the short term, if you really thought a girl was worth it, you wouldn't help her our finaicially even just a little? I think you're more compassionate than that, but I guess I could be wrong.


Thank you. *blush*

~BB~

I'm not judging all transsexuals or any particular demographic for that matter - only making a statement about those who ask for freebies to support a lifestyle they can't support by just working. In that regard it's no different than a guy with a day job hitting the strip at night with a tin cup in his hand looking for change!

Sure I would help someone out that needed the help, help them find work, or learn skills, or whatever that would give them the ability to be independent but I'm not about to buy them designer shoes or perfume or appliances. Unless you need a bottle of Stetson for Women to smell good at the office job :) How can you take a person seriously that asks 'fans' (this seems to be a new term for tricks) to buy gifts and in return the fan gets a pair of used panties! WTF! And who is the person that receives these used panties and what exactly do they do with said article?! I mean I do actually donate money to a child in a developing country but I get a nice fridge magnet for doing that. It might be difficult to explain a pair of dirty panties hanging on the fridge though.......

[runningdownthatdream]

Self-respect VS Free shit :shrug

If these suckers weren't sending money to the girls,who no doubt feel nothing but respect these guys ;) ,they wouldn't be donating the money to starving children.

I'm trying to work a joke around Tricks being for Kids......but I can't get the phrasing just right.............

[TJ347]

I would help someone out that needed the help, help them find work, or learn skills, or whatever that would give them the ability to be independent but I'm not about to buy them designer shoes or perfume or appliances.

:Bowdown::iagree::Bowdown:

[BellaBellucci]

Sure I would help someone out that needed the help, help them find work, or learn skills, or whatever that would give them the ability to be independent but I'm not about to buy them designer shoes or perfume or appliances.

Again, every escort isn't into that and every girl with a regular job isn't not into that.


I mean I do actually donate money to a child in a developing country but I get a nice fridge magnet for doing that. It might be difficult to explain a pair of dirty panties hanging on the fridge though.......

So many girls on this board do porn to support their escorting to support their porn. They work really, really hard. Sure, someone from a developing country needs the money more, but that doesn't mean that nobody else deserves it or has earned it. Say what you will about escorting, but at least (for most of us anyway), it's an honest living during a difficult economic period.

~BB~

[runningdownthatdream]

Again, every escort isn't into that and every girl with a regular job isn't not into that.



So many girls on this board do porn to support their escorting to support their porn. They work really, really hard. Sure, someone from a developing country needs the money more, but that doesn't mean that nobody else deserves it or has earned it. Say what you will about escorting, but at least (for most of us anyway), it's an honest living during a difficult economic period.

~BB~

Everyone likes to receive gifts but again when I buy from a supplier they don't also ask me to look up their Amazon Wishlist and buy them some stupid ass shit. It's not like these Wishlists are asking for DreamWeaver to improve the quality of their personal porn site.

I don't doubt that they work really hard but if they want gifts find a partner, have a serious relationship and a natural effect of that will be gifts! I believe you when you say escorting is not easy and yes, on a micro level it is an honest living (the individual is finding a way to support themself) although on a macro level it's not because you don't pay income tax which helps support our society (I pay 35% income tax which added to the various other taxes mean that close to 50% of every dollar I earn goes to some form of government)

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Note to some of you guys, there are many guys out there who buy girls gifts. Throughout the years I have received everything from key chains, flowers, chocolates, purses, clothes,furs, watches, perfumes, surgery, jewelry, books, scarves, lingerie, luggage, furniture, cds, candles- you name it-from the mundane to the luxe. There are many guys out there WHO actually ask if you have a wish list, believe it or not. I can't really bother making one because I have no patience, usually people will just ask.

[BellaBellucci]

Everyone likes to receive gifts but again when I buy from a supplier they don't also ask me to look up their Amazon Wishlist and buy them some stupid ass shit. It's not like these Wishlists are asking for DreamWeaver to improve the quality of their personal porn site.

I agree completely. I wasn't really talking about the wishlists, I was talking about cash escort rates. Maybe I got my signals crossed, but regardless, in my case my wishlist contains electronics, wardrobe, etc that is all for use in building my website. Unfortunately though, personnel has been the holdup on it lately, not equipment.


I don't doubt that they work really hard but if they want gifts find a partner, have a serious relationship and a natural effect of that will be gifts! I believe you when you say escorting is not easy and yes, on a micro level it is an honest living (the individual is finding a way to support themself) although on a macro level it's not because you don't pay income tax which helps support our society (I pay 35% income tax which added to the various other taxes mean that close to 50% of every dollar I earn goes to some form of government)

We would pay taxes if our business was legal. When I owned my escort agency, I did in fact pay taxes, lots of them, because it was a legally incorporated business. Independent escorts are a different story, so please, don't cry to me about it, contact your Congressmen instead. :) :lol:


There are many guys out there WHO actually ask if you have a wish list, believe it or not.

Womp! :lol:

~BB~

[TJ347]

So many girls on this board do porn to support their escorting to support their porn. They work really, really hard.
~BB~

This takes me back to when I was discussing this issue with Kelly Shore. As I recall, I made a point about "a fucking job" as opposed to a "real" fucking job or something like that, and it fits here perfectly. I find what you're saying here rather insulting.

I'm sure escorting and porn aren't the easiest things in the world, but you're not going to get any sympathy from the 9 to 5 crowd. I mean, I have a lay up job that doesn't task me much at all and I'm not sympathetic to the "plight" of escorts, so I highly doubt a dude doing manual labor for nickels and dimes or even a dude making good pay at a job that's simply mentally draining is going to shed a tear.

According to several girls here, they chose to do porn and/or escort because it pays significantly more money than a legit gig, which allows them to transition faster. I can appreciate that, but don't try and convince me that being an escort is harder than being a taxi driver, because I know better. If it's so hard then go do something else, but don't cry to guys here about the hardships of an industry you chose to enter when they're getting up and going to work forty to sixty hours a week, and in most cases making less money than you. That is, assuming you girls aren't lying about the money you make... But I'll leave that one alone just now.

[runningdownthatdream]

Note to some of you guys, there are many guys out there who buy girls gifts. Throughout the years I have received everything from key chains, flowers, chocolates, purses, clothes,furs, watches, perfumes, surgery, jewelry, books, scarves, lingerie, luggage, furniture, cds, candles- you name it-from the mundane to the luxe. There are many guys out there WHO actually ask if you have a wish list, believe it or not. I can't really bother making one because I have no patience, usually people will just ask.

So men really are to blame for indulging these wish lists seem to be the gist of this?

[BellaBellucci]

I'm sure escorting and porn aren't the easiest things in the world, but you're not going to get any sympathy from the 9 to 5 crowd. I mean, I have a lay up job that doesn't task me much at all and I'm not sympathetic to the "plight" of escorts, so I highly doubt a dude doing manual labor for nickels and dimes or even a dude making good pay at a job that's simply mentally draining is going to shed a tear.

First of all, 9 to 5'ers aren't going to get any sympathy from me. If they want to work harder instead of smarter, that's their prerogative but it certainly doesn't make them better than the rest of us. Let see you bend over and take it in the ass because the only jobs in your area left are McJobs and you can't move because you're a single mom and need to be near your child. :geek:

Again, I'm interjecting my personal experience into this, and I admit that may be a bit limited in scope, but your attitude is based on your knowledge and experience. Please allow me to add to that knowledge and experience.


According to several girls here, they chose to do porn and/or escort because it pays significantly more money than a legit gig, which allows them to transition faster. I can appreciate that, but don't try and convince me that being an escort is harder than being a taxi driver, because I know better.

I applied to be a taxi driver. They turned me down because I'm a medicinal marijuana patient. It doesn't matter if I intended to drive high or not, and anti-depressants with even worse side effects are seemingly more acceptable. Not to mention that so many other transwomen can't get jobs simply because of who they are. Society shouldn't be able to dictate what types of meds I'm allowed to take or which gender I'm supposed to represent, particularly since the law validates my very necessary choices, and so society shouldn't bitch when it gets nothing in return.

We don't contribute as much because we're marginalized. We're not marginalized because we don't want to contribute. I think you're being pretty callous here.

~BB~

[TJ347]

So men really are to blame for indulging these wish lists seem to be the gist of this?

Didn't you know? Men are always to blame. Every. Single. Time. And no matter the issue being discussed.

[runningdownthatdream]

Didn't you know? Men are always to blame. Every. Single. Time. And no matter the issue being discussed.

I think that settles it - they really are women born in men's bodies ;-)

[tsdvdman]

Note to some of you guys, there are many guys out there who buy girls gifts. Throughout the years I have received everything from key chains, flowers, chocolates, purses, clothes,furs, watches, perfumes, surgery, jewelry, books, scarves, lingerie, luggage, furniture, cds, candles- you name it-from the mundane to the luxe. There are many guys out there WHO actually ask if you have a wish list, believe it or not. I can't really bother making one because I have no patience, usually people will just ask.
Thank You for your input Allanah. That sounds like the guys you've had some connection or relations with either through clients,,the many parties,,maybe even some form of internet chatting for a while,,etc. That is all fine and good. What I am talking about (and it seems others agree as well) is the girls who "Talk" the luxurious lifestyle,,try to get fed off of a very short-lived pornstar career, spew hate with threads yet try to project a lifestyle of being happily married and "I got it goin on",,etc..etc. Well,,WTF are you you sitting on your ass starting threads begging for gifts if you got hubby there and you are so happy? Or,,if you are escorting and you have a standard policy of non-negotiating discounts or freebies,,,then why would you stoop so low to beg for free gifts yourself. If a girl had any pride or self-respect,,she would ask or suggest it discreetly. Not on a free board like this and definitely not with the promise of used panties in return!!

[runningdownthatdream]

I'm sure escorting and porn aren't the easiest things in the world, but you're not going to get any sympathy from the 9 to 5 crowd. I mean, I have a lay up job that doesn't task me much at all and I'm not sympathetic to the "plight" of escorts, so I highly doubt a dude doing manual labor for nickels and dimes or even a dude making good pay at a job that's simply mentally draining is going to shed a tear.

I shed a tear not because they're escorts but because of WHY they're escorts. Call me soft.......but I'm still not contributing to no damn wish list!

[Tepres]

I like wishlists because they usually have a good range pricing options where I can buy something for a girl if I want to. I've bought stuff for one girl who occasionally posts on here as well as contributing to another couple of girls for expenses. I haven't been able to do much lately because of certain financial setbacks that my wife and I are working our way through, but I hope to able to help other girls I like in the future. Seems little enough to do for someone whose given me much pleasure and communicated with me, albeit for that most part online.:Bowdown::Bowdown::Bowdown:

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[BigDF]

I'll throw a few extra WOWs in too.......................I think I'd rather donate to some starving kid in RwandaWhy don't you go do that, friend, rather than suggest what I'm doing is wrong. I'm not saying you have to or should do it, but for a guy in my situation a wishlist is an excellent way for me to do something nice for a lady I like without compromising my marriage vows. Somehow I suspect the starving kids in Rawanda have the same chance of getting something from you as any girl on here does.:fu:

[runningdownthatdream]

Thank You for your input Allanah. That sounds like the guys you've had some connection or relations with either through clients,,the many parties,,maybe even some form of internet chatting for a while,,etc. That is all fine and good. What I am talking about (and it seems others agree as well) is the girls who "Talk" the luxurious lifestyle,,try to get fed off of a very short-lived pornstar career, spew hate with threads yet try to project a lifestyle of being happily married and "I got it goin on",,etc..etc. Well,,WTF are you you sitting on your ass starting threads begging for gifts if you got hubby there and you are so happy? Or,,if you are escorting and you have a standard policy of non-negotiating discounts or freebies,,,then why would you stoop so low to beg for free gifts yourself. If a girl had any pride or self-respect,,she would ask or suggest it discreetly. Not on a free board like this and definitely not with the promise of used panties in return!!

Damn straight...............I can appreciate a girl getting things without asking. THAT is part of the game. But advertising a list of cheap garbage that you wish for while claiming you've got some kind of idyllic life just plain lacks self-respect.

[BellaBellucci]

But advertising a list of cheap garbage that you wish for while claiming you've got some kind of idyllic life just plain lacks self-respect.

Is it wrong of me to actually agree with that? :lol:

There's a lot of fronting that goes on in this community.

~BB~

[TJ347]

Bella, I never said one person was better than another because they had a 9 to 5 as opposed to being an escort. Second, please don't extrapolate your situation into an excuse for all escorts far and wide. As I said previously, Peggygee offered girls help if they were interested in legit jobs and had a grand total of ZERO takers. This is why I hold to my belief that most escorts, not all, chose that profession because they are lazy and want easy money. And how could you really blame me or anyone else for having that opinion... I mean no takers whatsoever on legit jobs? None?

Lastly, I never said anything about escorts or transsexuals in general not contributing to society, so I'm not sure where you got that. I personally know two transsexuals who contribute to society via payroll taxes and so on, but of course there are a number of ways to contribute to society beyond paying taxes. I'm sure there are escorts who contribute in those ways, but I don't know them personally... Maybe you do. But as I never claimed they didn't contribute to society to begin with, I fail to see how I'm being callous.

[runningdownthatdream]

Why don't you go do that, friend, rather than suggest what I'm doing is wrong. I'm not saying you have to or should do it, but for a guy in my situation a wishlist is an excellent way for me to do something nice for a lady I like without compromising my marriage vows. Somehow I suspect the starving kids in Rawanda have the same chance of getting something from you as any girl on here does.:fu:
Perhaps you should have saved those coins and contribute to your own household instead. Not knocking you if you want to give money away which you evidently don't have to spare but don't try and make it out to be some sort of Gandhi-like act to donate money for used panties.

I do contribute to a kid in a developing country and thanks to your comment above I think I'll throw some to a kid in Rwanda too. Now you should feel great about that because you just made a difference in the life of an under-priviledged kid. And tell you what, if you send me your address I'll get them to ship you the fridge magnet :kiss:

[TJ347]

I shed a tear not because they're escorts but because of WHY they're escorts.

Are they not escorts because they chose to be? Please explain if you're under some other impression.

[BellaBellucci]

Bella, I never said one person was better than another because they had a 9 to 5 as opposed to being an escort. Second, please don't extrapolate your situation into an excuse for all escorts far and wide. As I said previously, Peggygee offered girls help if they were interested in legit jobs and had a grand total of ZERO takers.

I guess I wasn't here for that, but I would have taken her up on her offer if it was feasible. I mean I won't work for $8 an hour, but within reason I would certainly take a day job.


Lastly, I never said anything about escorts or transsexuals in general not contributing to society, so I'm not sure where you got that. I personally know two transsexuals who contribute to society via payroll taxes and so on, but of course there are a number of ways to contribute to society beyond paying taxes. I'm sure there are escorts who contribute in those ways, but I don't know them personally... Maybe you do. But as I never claimed they didn't contribute to society to begin with, I fail to see how I'm being callous.

It could have been someone else who said it, I'd have to go back and check the thread, but you certainly seemed to mirror the sentiment. If I was wrong, I apologize, but even still, there are those who do have that opinion so my reply still goes out to them.

~BB~

[theone1982]

I don't know why anyone would argue with the payment. I wouldn't go into Macy's and say "Yeah, I'm only going to pay $5 for this T-shirt because I don't really like red, but I still want to wear it." However, I would argue if there was an agreed upon price and then there was a price change after the deed was done.:)

[runningdownthatdream]

Are they not escorts because they chose to be? Please explain if you're under some other impression.

I'm not saying that everyone that turns tricks don't have better choices but sometimes choosing the lesser of two evils isn't much of a choice. I can appreciate that some people don't have all the tools at certain times and as the saying goes 'desperate times call for desperate measures'. Which is why I say I can understand it being looked at as a temporary means of survival with the ultimate objective being to get the fuck out!

[BellaBellucci]

I don't know why anyone would argue with the payment. I wouldn't go into Macy's and say "Yeah, I'm only going to pay $5 for this T-shirt because I don't really like red, but I still want to wear it." However, I would argue if there was an agreed upon price and then there was a price change after the deed was done.:)

Exactly!

:Bowdown: :Bowdown: :Bowdown:

~BB~

[BigDF]

Perhaps you should have saved those coins and contribute to your own household instead. Not knocking you if you want to give money away which you evidently don't have to spare but don't try and make it out to be some sort of Gandhi-like act to donate money for used panties.

I do contribute to a kid in a developing country and thanks to your comment above I think I'll throw some to a kid in Rwanda too. Now you should feel great about that because you just made a difference in the life of an under-priviledged kid. And tell you what, if you send me your address I'll get them to ship you the fridge magnet :kiss:WTF? Well, excuse me for stating my opinion. I know I'm not Gandhi. I'm just an old perv who likes reading nice words from attractive young ladies. And just for the record, I've never received anyone's dirty underwear. I've got fetishes, sure, but I do draw the line at that. And of course I'll send you my address so I can collect my reward. Just check your pms.

[runningdownthatdream]

And of course I'll send you my address so I can collect my reward. Just check your pms.

its a deal!

[TJ347]

I'm not saying that everyone that turns tricks don't have better choices but sometimes choosing the lesser of two evils isn't much of a choice. I can appreciate that some people don't have all the tools at certain times and as the saying goes 'desperate times call for desperate measures'. Which is why I say I can understand it being looked at as a temporary means of survival with the ultimate objective being to get the fuck out!

LONGWINDED POST ALERT!!! :hide-1:

Most escort did not enter the skin trade because there were no local job opportunities and they didn't have skills, and for anyone to pretend otherwise is an insult. Many people, countless people, have lived in shit towns working shit jobs to pay for an education to get them out of the shit town and shit job. I'd have attained everything I have today years earlier if I'd chosen to become a coke dealer, but instead like countless people across the country and around the world, I took on college loans and worked various shit jobs to make ends meet, then entered the workforce as a wage slave before progressing to where I am today. Many of the girls you're showing sympathy for simply want everything handed to them, and right now. Most never entered the workforce because of the fast money they could make escorting or doing porn, not because they were torn between the devil and the deep blue sea. Sure, some of them may have entered porn or escorting because of unique circumstances, but let's not pretend this applies to every escort here, or even most of them. I'm not trying to kick their backs in, but several girls have laughed at guys here bragging about how much more money they made and how much less time it took for them to make it, so if I was doing that I wouldn't feel bad. In most cases, they're just fucking lazy, getting out of bed in the morning only to get back into bed to get paid that $200 for an hour's "work". Does that sound as hard as what you do for a living?

Anyway, how long could a person do something before you would no longer consider it a temporary vocation? I ask because, if you hang around long enough, you'll see many temps go permanent here. I know of one who has been escorting for at least fifteen years now but still claims she's only doing it temporarily to save up money to open a bakery. That bakery will never open, because she spends all of her money on designer bullshit, cosmetics and so on. As she ages, her attractiveness will diminish, her clients will stop coming, and she'll end up flat broke on the streets whoring. This is not an uncommon end. There are exceptions, but what I'm saying is not a rare situation.

[Schimmel]

Schmimmel: I was talking about a GG escort, who cost me about $800 or so. The most I ever paid for a tgirl escort was probably around half that, with one exception, where I spent about $600 or so. I won't mention that girl's name though, because she doesn't escort anymore and doesn't want it to be known that she ever did. I will say that she was absolutely worth every penny money, and would've been worth considerably more in my opinion. That said, my experience is that you get a better experience for $400 than you do for more money. I'm sure there are exceptions, but that's my experience.
Jeez man that's big big $$, but I'm feeling u. No sense in restricting yourself from an experience you must have. I guess I've got myself trained well. Prices too ridiculous I just move on to the next one no matter how hard I'm jonesin for said escort. In fact if her asking is too much I'll likely never look her way again. There are so many other fish in sea it's ridiculous not to look elsewhere. I honestly believe that the gurls who charge reasonably are the ones who could get away with upping their rates significantly, and the ones who charge outrageously are the ones who are laughably over. Oh well, it's a backwards world. With that said, most I've dropped is 300.


I will say that she was absolutely worth every penny
Yessir, happy to hear it! That's what it comes down to.

[mrbigler]

Ladies charge what you feel is fair and what you feel your sevice is worth. I dont think it should be about GG or TG. Personally I would never pay for a GG and I being from NY I have met plenty of ladies(yes ts ladies.. they are ladies to me) and have not paid but this was based on mutual attraction and treating her like she should be treated.

As for chasers make them pay what you want, but make sure the service is top notch and worth every penny. ALso lets get this hour thing str8: its and hour service not the first nut. Thats the differrnce of paying some of the best providers and the thirsty greedt ones.

Some forget with the internet its all about reviews. Guys read them and spend wisely and understand you get what your paying for, ladies if your going to charge more make that man feel like he is in heaven for an hour. ITS only right.

I remember meeting a budding superstar in Jessica Host before she became a superstar one night when I was leaving Nowbar. SHe was the cutest woman I have ever seen.. we caught each others eye and we had an amazing nite.. maybe the best ever.. It shocks me to read some of her reviews these days because I know how she can be... maybe fame and fortune changes people.. or maybe its the way chasers treat her..just saying

I have been to many of Ms Starr's parties a few years ago. Some ladies where on their grind and some where just like any other woman at a party. Either way treating both with class and respect gets you so much more sugar..

I think chasers have ruined the game more than ladies asking for a better wage.. Disrespectful unattractive men have messed it up for us all

LADIES get that bread and do it the right way and fuck him if he is to cheap.

[Paladin]

Some people get to thinking that they are more important than they really are. Eventually reality will set back in...

[alyssaluxor]

i couldnt understand whats wrong with giving gifts to someone, ive also given gifts to my relatives, friends and even my clientelle. i remember i have this regular client and his been so nice to me so in return i given him a free trip going to Great Wall of China,Beijing. we had a great time together ;)

ive also given some other gifts to my other clientelle and i dont know whats wrong with that?

also i cant understand whats wrong if a guy would donate to me big amount of money $$$$? I met a guy before his from the Middle East, he given me thousands of US$, i told him its too much i couldnt accept it. he said thats just a very small amount of money for him so i might offend him if i dont accept it.

another South East Asian guy given me thousands of US$, i was shocked when he given me the money i told him my donation is just a fraction of it but he insist that i should get all of it. its just his way of appreating the kindness and love that ive given him. i dont know what wrong with it?

[BigDF]

i couldnt understand whats wrong with giving gifts to someone, ive also given gifts to my relatives, friends and even my clientelle. i remember i have this regular client and his been so nice to me so in return i given him a free trip going to Great Wall of China,Beijing. we had a great time together ;)

ive also given some other gifts to my other clientelle and i dont know whats wrong with that?

also i cant understand whats wrong if a guy would donate to me big amount of money $$$$? I met a guy before his from the Middle East, he given me thousands of US$, i told him its too much i couldnt accept it. he said thats just a very small amount of money for him so i might offend him if i dont accept it.

another South East Asian guy given me thousands of US$, i was shocked when he given me the money i told him my donation is just a fraction of it but he insist that i should get all of it. its just his way of appreating the kindness and love that ive given him. i dont know what wrong with it?Obviously I don't think anything is wrong with it, but once again I'm in the minority on here. I don't think these guys that are up in arms about this are talking about you, but one of the other ladies instead. Sometimes I wonder why all these complainers are on here. It seems like most of them don't even like Tgirls. I can certainly understand why your clients would give you gifts, because you seem like a really sweet girl and willing to take care of their needs. :Bowdown::Bowdown::Bowdown:

[Paladin]

Alyssa - you are talking about one thing - unsolicited gifts - what many others are referring to is the mandatory entitlement mode many of the TSs believe is their birthright. Two polar opposites.

[GrimFusion]

Can I stress this free-market situation? If prices are too high, either these escorts end up losing clients or the type of clients they see will change. Save for the wealthy, the remainder of the clients would likely be the overly-desperate "creeper" and "chaser" types.

The only other outcome is that nothing changes. Prices go up, but clients are still willing to pay. If things don't go this way, it's only a matter of time until the economy catches up and the prices seem fair in comparison to everything else, or escort prices go down because the girls aren't too happy about the change of clientele.

Isn't it a little sad that this is one of the last bastions of true Democracy and it's considered illegal? I think it is.

[alyssaluxor]

Obviously I don't think anything is wrong with it, but once again I'm in the minority on here. I don't think these guys that are up in arms about this are talking about you, but one of the other ladies instead. Sometimes I wonder why all these complainers are on here. It seems like most of them don't even like Tgirls. I can certainly understand why your clients would give you gifts, because you seem like a really sweet girl and willing to take care of their needs. :Bowdown::Bowdown::Bowdown:

MARRY me please! :jerkoff

:fuckin:

[BigDF]

MARRY me please! :jerkoff

:fuckin:Damn, Alyssa, that's very tempting. Unfortunately, here in the US having multiple wives is illegal. Besides a sweet young gal like you can do a lot better than an old perv like me. Thank you very much for the offer! :Bowdown::Bowdown::Bowdown:

[killa69]

It's funny cuz I had a convo with a TS girl who I've seen a bunch of times & she would charge me $120 with $40 going towards the motel room. Since I was a regular & a GOOD regular she only charged me that much. I knew she was getting about $200 an from most other guys. When she finally got her own place she kept it at $160 but I hadn't seen her on a reg in awhile. Last time we spk she explained how she can't do it for less than $200 anymore cuz everything nowadays is just too expensive. Can't say I don't understand but being in the position I'm in, I just couldn't do it. Now I'm not cheap & I'm VERY far from being broke but let's put it this way, in all my yrs of seeing escorts, girls have not charged me at all at least half the time. I've met girls on the street coming from parties or just going shopping & hooked up plenty of times just as a date nit an escort. The only difference is, I don't frequent the places I used to where could meet girls so it's pretty much all escorts or even cam shows. The game has definitely changed & I completely understand the higher prices but it seems like while the economy cont to spiral downward, it becomes more expensive to be an escort which drives the price up. Escorting is one line of business that probably gets more work when times are harder bcuz more men will need some kind of escape from the stress.

[LibertyHarkness]

christ i must be cheap and easy,.. all i need is a packet of haribo starmix and a diet coke and i am sold :)

[perrorojo]

You sir are the disgusting one. How can you knock someone for what they do! Its not about being cheap its about paying for what you feel is a good price. If the other party agrees then its all good and there is no problem. There is nothing wrong with shopping around for the right price! If you don't trick then how could you comment on what he does? You are so typical when it comes to acting so self-righteous and thinking you are above others who do trick. It's all a game and that game is played by both sides. If you don't get that then the only bastard here is you! The only offensive thing I've read is that someone like you can judge someone else for what they practice....LOL:violin

Payload -- Thanks for the defense --- Your absolutely right it is a game.

For the record --- Kimber James -- I would pay 300

The critics on this thread no way

Last night I had a threesome in chicago -- a Mexican girl and a Nicaraguan
girl --- spent way over an hour with them, must have gone through a dozen
condoms and I paid them $80 each. They are not "crack whores", just
decent people

The same advice goes for Las Vegas --- I get internet types from the
lounge for 200 or less, and we agree ahead of time what's going to happen.
If it doesn't work out I head to the latin clubs and find someone for $100 or
less --- or even free if the chemistry is right

OK --- let the flaming begin

Perhaps I should change my handle to PERROCODO --

[okcboi]

I'm too goodlooking to pay for sex!!!

[otherguy]

A long time ago, when I first started the hobby, I walked into Victoria's Secret, gave my phone to a sales girl, and let my regular (and still ATF although no longer pro) order what she wanted from the catalog. Afterward the girl could barely look at me--it was pretty funny. Needless to say the fashion show was great, my already small fee turned into a complementary gift, and I got near all night privileges from then on.

[Schimmel]

For the record --- Kimber James -- I would pay 300

Bah!!

[ymb469]

I have no problem paying market, but the market is kind of limited in PDX, believe it or not. I would expect that for market-names (i.e. actresses), prices would be higher. Rates depend on the market and demand - there are people from 1 and change to 3 out here.

I'm just looking for someone awesome who wants to play before I deploy again...

As an aside, you are awesome-sexy and I missed out on the last time you were in PDX.

[sexualexplorer]

I was re-reading bits of Boswell's London Journal 1762-1763 last night and the following passage caught my attention:

"It is very curious to think that I have now been in London several weeks without ever enjoying the delightful sex, although I am surrounded with numbers of free-hearted ladies of all kinds; from the splendid Madam at fifty guineas a night, down to the civil nymph... who tramps along the Strand and will resign her engaging person to your honour for a pint of wine and a shilling."

Without any expert knowledge of the relative buying power of money between the mid C18th and now, 50 guineas struck me as a lot of money for an all nighter.

the following site

http://www.measuringworth.com/ppoweruk/

suggests that 50 guineas in 1762 was equivalent to £7,690 (approx $12712) in today's money! Today the average price for an all nighter is between £800 - £1200. Of course, this is assuming that Boswell was being literal when he talked of 50 guineas. Meanwhile the same site estimates a shilling in 1762 to be worth £6.90 in today's money.

If anybody knows more about the subject please contribute, I have no idea if the site's calculations are correct.


Boswell was an enthusiastic frequenter of escorts and his diary is full of good stuff, including his affair with an actress from whom he catches the clap:

"Too, too plain was Signor Gonorrhoea."



I suppose it's all just a question of what the market will bear.

[lucx]

just last year i have almost dozens of perfume in my dresser just gift from guys(you know those businessman who like to buy perfumes at the duty free airports). so i cant use them all just so many of them i just give them to my sisters and mom.

;)

You can sell those perfumes on ebay... :)

[LittleGuy]

I'm not spending one penny on these "escorts".

[theone1982]

I have no problem paying market, but the market is kind of limited in PDX, believe it or not. I would expect that for market-names (i.e. actresses), prices would be higher. Rates depend on the market and demand - there are people from 1 and change to 3 out here.

I'm just looking for someone awesome who wants to play before I deploy again...

As an aside, you are awesome-sexy and I missed out on the last time you were in PDX.

Hey YM have you tried Zeina in Portland? Just wondering, she's been on Eros for a while and she looks really hot!

[theone1982]

I have no problem paying market, but the market is kind of limited in PDX, believe it or not. I would expect that for market-names (i.e. actresses), prices would be higher. Rates depend on the market and demand - there are people from 1 and change to 3 out here.

I'm just looking for someone awesome who wants to play before I deploy again...

As an aside, you are awesome-sexy and I missed out on the last time you were in PDX.

Also, I would recommend Ruslana in Seattle (she went by Valeria on Shemale Strokers) and Sierra, currently in Seattle, but she goes back and forth between Portland and Seattle, as well as Celynne in Portland. They all look good to me!

[Dino Velvet]

The girls who sell/rent their body should charge as much as the market will bare. Me, as a John, will look for as much value for the dollar as I can get. The escort and the John end up meeting somewhere in the middle as that will be how the price is set. I never haggle with escorts as it seems disrespectful but I don't think it's necessary to pay $300 either. A little careful looking around will save a lot of money. I'm lucky to live in a city where it is heavier on supply than demand so bargains are easily found.

[dderek123]

Go to Thailand. $60 and she'll love you longtime.

[Dino Velvet]

Here's a tip. Many times EROS charges more that other places. On EROS (http://www.eros-la.com/files/216053.htm), Vo D'Balm charges $300 but if you look on Backpage (http://losangeles.backpage.com/TranssexualEscorts/beautiful-and-sexy-ts-26/14601867) she only charges $200. She's a year younger in the EROS ad(25) so maybe that's why the extra charge. Time Machines aren't cheap.

[theone1982]

Here's a tip. Many times EROS charges more that other places. On EROS (http://www.eros-la.com/files/216053.htm), Vo D'Balm charges $300 but if you look on Backpage (http://losangeles.backpage.com/TranssexualEscorts/beautiful-and-sexy-ts-26/14601867) she only charges $200. She's a year younger in the EROS ad(25) so maybe that's why the extra charge. Time Machines aren't cheap.

Interesting. I wonder how they keep track of how everyone found them. They must have different numbers for each different service they are on.

[dderek123]

^ When you call many escorts will say: "Where did you see my ad?" And they adjust their prices accordingly.

[Schimmel]

Also, I would recommend Ruslana in Seattle (she went by Valeria on Shemale Strokers) and Sierra, currently in Seattle, but she goes back and forth between Portland and Seattle, as well as Celynne in Portland. They all look good to me!
Recommend from experience or recommend because they merely "look good" to u? If that's the case then u can't really recommend now can you?


I never haggle with escorts as it seems disrespectful but I don't think it's necessary to pay $300 either. A little careful looking around will save a lot of money.
Exact. Never haggle (unless ur in Asia). Just pay what it is or look elsewhere.

[Dino Velvet]

Exact. Never haggle (unless ur in Asia). Just pay what it is or look elsewhere.

Here's some advice to the girls: NO UPSELLING! Tell us how much it costs before I get there. I don't want to be reaching for another fifty bucks out of my wallet while I have a hard-on. Stop it! Let me know in advance how much it costs.

[LittleGuy]

Yeah it's hard to go on what men on here "recommend". Most men on here loves men in wigs. Just look at that cd thread.

[Schimmel]

Here's some advice to the girls: NO UPSELLING! Tell us how much it costs before I get there. I don't want to be reaching for another fifty bucks out of my wallet while I have a hard-on. Stop it! Let me know in advance how much it costs.
Amen. Never had that problem in Thailand, not once. Actually had a ladyboy give me some money back because I decided to do short time rather than longtime. Sweet honest ladyboys, God bless em.

[theone1982]

[QUOTE=Schimmel;928560]Recommend from experience or recommend because they merely "look good" to u? If that's the case then u can't really recommend now can you?/QUOTE]

Well, there are so many variables going in does it really matter? I mean, an escort that has a great time with you, might suck a big dick(not literally:)) with me. Maybe she was having a bad day, maybe she likes you better than me, or maybe that's just the way it is. I, personally have been with girls that had bad reviews that were great with me and vice versa. I was just pointing out that I thought they looked attractive, he's a big boy, at the end of the day he can figure out for himself what he's going to do, regardless of my recommendation, isn't he? And I am well aware of the difference between recommend and looks good, thank you very much.:)

[theone1982]

Yeah it's hard to go on what men on here "recommend". Most men on here loves men in wigs. Just look at that cd thread.

You seem to point that out a lot, if you don't like it than why do you even look at the thread?:confused:

[otherguy]

Clap,meaning the frenchified stuff?

At any rate, most Lords and gentlemen would have their title and status to signal their station, few wore a well-worn jacket smeared in the day's catch. Sanitary habits had a way to go. 'You smell like a gentleman, young master...'

[payload4]

Payload -- Thanks for the defense --- Your absolutely right it is a game.

For the record --- Kimber James -- I would pay 300

The critics on this thread no way

Last night I had a threesome in chicago -- a Mexican girl and a Nicaraguan
girl --- spent way over an hour with them, must have gone through a dozen
condoms and I paid them $80 each. They are not "crack whores", just
decent people

The same advice goes for Las Vegas --- I get internet types from the
lounge for 200 or less, and we agree ahead of time what's going to happen.
If it doesn't work out I head to the latin clubs and find someone for $100 or
less --- or even free if the chemistry is right

OK --- let the flaming begin

Perhaps I should change my handle to PERROCODO --

:iagree: Good Job! Your doing it the right way... I would do the same as well. If I find one on the Internet for $150-200 I ask them if they have any specials, if not I move on the next one until I get one that is willing to do it for $60...If not on-line, then on the streets, it makes no difference between a web site and a street walker to me! Because the way I see it once I cum I'm done and that would be in 20 min...So 60 bucks for 20 min is fair. Why pay someone $150 for an hour if you cum in the first 20 min sometimes 10 min. Am I going to talk to her about her likes and dislikes for another 45 min just to get my moneys worth with a limp noodle? I think not. If it was someone I met, with no money involved, then yes, I would stay, talk, GET TO KNOW THEM, shoot the shit, have fun, be their friend, and enjoy, but when it comes to an escort, its just business and it ends once the condom is full. Its not like she enjoyed my time so much that she gave me back the money because i was so enjoyable...:whoa LOL My limit is $100 and that is rare... mostly 60$ and I have had good success with that cuz at the end of the day its money....I still do not get how guys spend $200 or more for an HOUR:dead-1: The only Transsexual I would spend $200 on is Wendy Williams and no one else! :salad She is my dream transsexual and has been even before she got her implants! I haggle because if escorts really added it up; how many guys spend money for an hour actually stay for an hour? I know once I cum, I'm out unless she enjoys MY time and wants me to stay for a lil longer...Some would say I'm cheap, but I see it as convenient. I'm in and out and not wasting their time... I would never pay money for 15 min of sex and 45 min of talk time, hell not even Dr. Phil charges his guest to talk and he's a Doctor...So I heard:whistle:

[payload4]

Amen. Never had that problem in Thailand, not once. Actually had a ladyboy give me some money back because I decided to do short time rather than longtime. Sweet honest ladyboys, God bless em.

Wow that a rarity in the escort game....thats why the most I throw down in $60...Your lucky to find an escort that was honest and cool like that, that is a bigger rarity then the killing of osama bin laden :jawdrop

[Schimmel]

thats why the most I throw down in $60..
How about 80? ;)

http://newyork.backpage.com/TranssexualEscorts/80-80-doller-special-80-80-25/18670159

[ELSAPO]

The Walmart theory from the first page serves right.

[MatiasTz]

(Yeah, I know this thread is few months old --)

I do browse ads and $200 to $300 seems to be the average.

I have only been to one provider, Vo D'balm, and I've seen her three times. I found her professional, sweet and outside of the really good sex, nice company. Such good company, in fact, each time I gave her an extra tip. She never asked for anything but her quoted fee.

The last time I saw her was absolutely incredible. I don't know if it was becase there was a little bit of a comfort level at that point or what.

If she's able to raise her prices in future so much that I can no longer afford her, I say go for whatever you can get, baby.

[perrorojo]

How much did vo charge --- I'd do her -- though she is getting a little wierd looking as she
gets older. That strange snarl on her face is hot

[MatiasTz]

$200

She may be getting older (as we all are), but I don't think she's 30 yet and she looks real nice in person.

[Tyler___Durden]

Recently, there has been some talk on here about providers raising there prices to levels which are usally charged by elite GG escorts.

I think this has to do mainly with immigration and the girls themselves setting the standards of their worth. In recent years there has been an influx of many TS on the net from other countries.
This same point has been spoken to me about the influx of South American TS now in France, Spain, and Italy- who will for the most part charge much less and do much more than their native counter parts.

I frankly laugh at GG and TS escort ads that say 'European model' or 'fashion model', or 'former Elite model'- truth be told any successful, working model is NOT running an escort ad anywhere. I'll take that back the day I see Kate Moss on Eros.

Is it because we do not know our self worth or because we are afraid to raise out rates in fear that the phone will stop riging?


I'm in the UK so things may be different to the USA.

Firstly, I really don't "get" the whole escorting thing at all.
Why someone will pay another person a serious amount of wedge just for sex.
But I've made a good living doing just this, over the years, so maybe I just think too deeply.
95% + of punters, I'd never have sex with, unless Coin is involved, sure.
But there are so many people happy to do it for free.
Maybe it's the set-period, no-strings convenience factor.

I post a lot on a uk escort-only support forum which is frequented by bio-females.
Their rates are not far out from mine. Some charge more, some less.
But I have seen on the net, ads for bio-escorts who charge 2, 3, 5 times my hourly rate of £160/hour.
And I wonder at that.
The consensus on that support site is yes, high price escorting is a market, but with far fewer earning opportunities. So a person would get two to three jobs a week as opposed to two to eight or more jobs a day. so their overall take would be much lower.
Of course this may suit someone with limited hours to devote to escorting.

There are no trans escorts charging those extreme high amounts, even world famous ts porn stars.
Which TBH I find weird.
No idea why other than the trans escort market is tiny. A lot less than 1% of punters are even remotely interested in Trans. I would have thought a niche market like this would command a rarity factor of higher prices.

Foreign escorts has a bearing on prices and clients perceptions on "a fair price"
But service and bad experiences are everything.
I get a lot of people whose first question is
"are you English" which tells me a lot ;-)

Kate Moss - ha ha!

And fears of phone not ringing if I raise my prices hugely? Totally yes.
My fees are at the upper third for ts fees in the UK.
I just don't think I'd get any work if my rates were 2 or 4 times those of any other trans escort.

[0utrageousss]

I wouldn't see anyone for less than a shopping spree, a nice dinner and a couple thousand dollars. But thats me, and there's black men in wigs turning 10$ clients in Chicago so what do you think a chaser is going to go after?

[onmyknees]

I wouldn't see anyone for less than a shopping spree, a nice dinner and a couple thousand dollars. But thats me, and there's black men in wigs turning 10$ clients in Chicago so what do you think a chaser is going to go after?


Well at that asking price....which you're absolutely entitled to, you've eliminated 99.9% of the U.S. market , but in escorting as in every other facet of life, the inescapable fact is....you get what you pay for !