To The Guy's That Won't Pay A TS For Sex " Listen up

[KiraHarden]

Here's the deal and why I use to escort. I started out transitioning believing that I would meet guys that wanted to take me out, date me and get to know me like any other female. Boy, was I ever living in a fantasy land. All I heard was " You sure are Purty" but someone might see us

Most guys that say they love transsexual's dont. They just love the dick, and wont admit it. If they loved us they would be proud of having a TS GF. Not saying this is there first time and going to town like its a 7-11 slurpy. Your not fooling this tranny, bub.

If your afraid to be seen with us in public, and have a secret life. and just want to live out your TS fantasy. You should pay a TS for sex. Dont give me the high and mighty moral crap that its wrong and it's beneath you. Save those lies for your wife and children when they catch you viewing tranny porn

If you have the ability to use a TS for your fantasy, and sneak out out on your wife and or cheat. You have the morals of aemoeba, so just hire an escort, As Nike says " Just Do It" Save the bullshit for the pearly gates or gates of hell

All you guys that have hopes of being with a TS for a fantasy, Its just not going to happen. I'm sorry to break it too you, but we are rare, unique and difficult to find. Im sure you know that.

Your gonna be on your deathbed with a unfullfiled fantasy as your life gets snuffed out by father time. Your gonna think "shit I should have hired that HAWT ass 38DDD T-girl before she retired. Cough, Cough, Cough! Excuse me I had something stuck in my throat. Not the first time and not the last.

Then a cpl cough cough's,a weez or two then and off to the emballming room, and crying family members. But at least you took your secret to the grave with you... Psst! I have a little secret. All those loved ones that passed before you,have been watching you wank to tranny porn. Angel's dont keep secret's. I'm sure they gossip about us heathens still down here.

I'm sure you'll meet this tranny in heaven with her tranny wings ( Our wing's are pink and small like cupid's) so we can be identified. Just say " Hey I thought you were HAWT. You wanna go doink on a cloud. For free of course. You guys never learn

So Im not good writter, just read the damn thing.

[hwbs]

i know plenty of people that talk bad about me and the mods saying that we dont even date ts girls....these same girls never even seen me in person nor even heard one single word out of my mouth...i have been in this scene since like 2001...most of this time i have been in a ltr during these 7 years...i have never hidden with my ts friends or girlfriends...my family knows...guess what they know but they aren't open to talking about it...to be honest i think they thought it was a phase and i don't even date them anymore..


i mean i have messed around a lot also...i have had more wild sex to last 3 lifetimes....does the fact my family knows i am man whore put me in a better light...i think not...to be honest i couldn't even give u a round number of girls....i know its way more than i have fingers and toes...


do i think i am special because i am open...not really...i don't care....its that simple....i have almost gotten in like 50 fights being out in public...it goes with the territory....some girls say they want one thing but really want another....to have a supermodel bf and he be grounded...yeah right...its the same with hot chicks...when u have everyone hitting on u it gives u an ego...



so the bottom line is i dont hide but live out all of my fantasies..i guess it is because i am a scorpio....am i chaser....probably...maybe just on weekends...who the fuck cares...i love my life and the people that make up my circle...at least i am not a pussy and act innocent like i have been with one girl to try to get in a girls pants... so this is your fascist , chaser , manwhore , mod signing off ....later fuckers !!!!!

[LoverofT-Girls]

Sorry you had such a bad experience.
I have known enough TS girls to realize that what you are saying is completely true. Unfortunately too many guys want the secret and the fun, but lets not be seen together.
I've been lucky, all the TS women I've known and dated we got along well and there was never an issue of not being seen in public. I found truth to be helpful: if I am looking for a sex partner, say so. If I find something unattractive, say so. And believe me the women tell me these things as well.
The first time I saw your pictures I was a bit astounded. Obviously (even in the pictures) tall, lean, and very nicely put together. But in this case I don't meet the standards I once read from you: I'm only 5'9" and don't live anywheer near you.
But I hope you have a good life, and find the happiness we all deserve.

[desolationangel]

Just for the record: I'm 25, single, a college graduate, employed full-time, and I live about 30 minutes from NYC.

If any transsexual girl out there wants a real boyfriend, here I am.

I don't need to hide anything from anyone. If people have a problem with my sexuality, then I don't want those people in my life anyway. Why would I want friends who are that judgmental?

So maybe all you've written is true of most t-girl admirers, but not this one. Not at all.

[KiraHarden]

Just for the record: I'm 25, single, a college graduate, employed full-time, and I live about 30 minutes from NYC.

If any transsexual girl out there wants a real boyfriend, here I am.

I don't need to hide anything from anyone. If people have a problem with my sexuality, then I don't want those people in my life anyway. Why would I want friends who are that judgmental?

So maybe all you've written is true of most t-girl admirers, but not this one. Not at all.
Well, the good men are more rare than TS

[desolationangel]

Well, I'm one of them and I sincerely hope you find one of your own.

[Tomfurbs]

Amoebas could be very moral creatures, you never know. Being a one-cell organism could make life pretty straight forward.

[OEMEnemyNum1]

If you have the ability to use a TS for your fantasy, and sneak out out on your wife and or cheat.

Are these the grounded Suprmodels people were referring to?

[TheOne1]

bottom line is most guys don't want a relationship in any form..be it ts, gg, or anything else. And for girls or guys that have been an escort, stripper, or porn star, of course they are going to have somewhat of a difficult time finding a ltr for when they want one for obvious reasons.

[S6XN9NE]

bottom line is most guys don't want a relationship in any form..be it ts, gg, or anything else. And for girls or guys that have been an escort, stripper, or porn star, of course they are going to have somewhat of a difficult time finding a ltr for when they want one for obvious reasons.

That sums it up for me, I was married at 27, divorced at 28 and have had a blast being single for the past 20 years. I do what I want to do, when I want to do it. Most women (and TS's) I have met over the years say at first they can handle my buckwild attitude towards life, or think they can tame the wild bull, but they always give up after about 6 months. I love escorts both GG and TS as they don't give a damn about my life, but sure know how to treat me in the boudoir, I don't need all that silly BS that goes with a relationship.........

[TsVanessa69]

Here's the deal and why I use to escort. I started out transitioning believing that I would meet guys that wanted to take me out, date me and get to know me like any other female. Boy, was I ever living in a fantasy land. All I heard was " You sure are Purty" but someone might see us

Most guys that say they love transsexual's dont. They just love the dick, and wont admit it. If they loved us they would be proud of having a TS GF. Not saying this is there first time and going to town like its a 7-11 slurpy. Your not fooling this tranny, bub.

If your afraid to be seen with us in public, and have a secret life. and just want to live out your TS fantasy. You should pay a TS for sex. Dont give me the high and mighty moral crap that its wrong and it's beneath you. Save those lies for your wife and children when they catch you viewing tranny porn

If you have the ability to use a TS for your fantasy, and sneak out out on your wife and or cheat. You have the morals of aemoeba, so just hire an escort, As Nike says " Just Do It" Save the bullshit for the pearly gates or gates of hell

All you guys that have hopes of being with a TS for a fantasy, Its just not going to happen. I'm sorry to break it too you, but we are rare, unique and difficult to find. Im sure you know that.

Your gonna be on your deathbed with a unfullfiled fantasy as your life gets snuffed out by father time. Your gonna think "shit I should have hired that HAWT ass 38DDD T-girl before she retired. Cough, Cough, Cough! Excuse me I had something stuck in my throat. Not the first time and not the last.

Then a cpl cough cough's,a weez or two then and off to the emballming room, and crying family members. But at least you took your secret to the grave with you... Psst! I have a little secret. All those loved ones that passed before you,have been watching you wank to tranny porn. Angel's dont keep secret's. I'm sure they gossip about us heathens still down here.

I'm sure you'll meet this tranny in heaven with her tranny wings ( Our wing's are pink and small like cupid's) so we can be identified. Just say " Hey I thought you were HAWT. You wanna go doink on a cloud. For free of course. You guys never learn

So Im not good writter, just read the damn thing.
So true sister!!!!!!!!!!!
As a ts who doesn't need to escort, I continue to escort now for that reason.
MEN treating me like a dirty secret.
Men just fucking and leaving.
Men not wanting to be seen in public with me, yet in private tell me how hott I am and how good I look.
Men not caring about anything in my life but the sexual.
Men not seeing me as a woman who has feelings and wants to be loved, or at best cared for, just seeing me as a nice hard cock and the best ass on the planet.
So I continue to escort.
It numbs the feelings factor.
I met nice guys, who I would date at times, and its sad.
Guys who are afraid of what other people think, guys insecure with themselves.
So I charge. Not out of necissity, but as a reminder.
Men will no longer use me. I will get mine first.
As long as you pay me, I will be that secret.
True I spend the money alone. but I enjoy every penny to a point.
I will enjoy all the material things you guys money as long as I can. I will see the world, I will dress in the best, I will do whatever the mood strikes me to do with you guys money. One day I may meet a man who will love me and appreciate me for the woman I am. Until then, my time is money.

[CORVETTEDUDE]

Kira, we've had this discussion before, if I recall. No, I won't pay you....But, I will loan you the money 'til you decide to pay me back!!! :shrug

[2754tim]

Kira's right,must guys are wimps and pussies when it comes down to it.
I've already been in one fight and about 20 near fights when I've been out with my G/F.We eat at the same restaurants,walk down the street together,
kiss in public,etc.No one fucks with her in public.I make damn sure of that.
I'll knock them the fuck out.
Some of my friends know,and some of them have a pretty good idea.But that's my business.No one else's.
You know,everyone has some sort of kink in their personality.
Some politican wants to do some coke with a TGirl he called up from Eros in
his Hotel Room.Hmmmmm.
I know why some of the girls are the way they are.....and I don't blame them
at all.How could you.

[Shining Star]

Know many of you men think trannies who post the sort of thing as the OP are bitter, jaded, etc; but think about this: if trannies of all age groups, all over the world post the same experiences, there must be something to it? No?

Have met men in Paris, Texas to Paris, France and the results are usually most always the same, they equate trannies with sex and that is about the extent of things. The ones who go on about wishing to meet a "nice" t-girl who is not an escort are 99.9% of the time guys who feel they shouldn't have to or do not wish to pay for sex. There are some health considerations as well, but by and large the former train of thought rules.

Will say however, European men by a small margin seem more willing to go out on a limb and establish a LTR with a trannie. Before all you girls start packing and getting passports, the margin is VERY small, and as always the ones normally willing to commit aren't the ones most girls are willing to commit to. That is if you are looking for Dolph Lundgren or Marcus Schenkenberg (younger versions obviously) as LTR material, you might as well stay home.

What many men who "date" trannies (and I use that term loosely), fail to understand is just how hurtful some of the things they do really are. Here you are spending an intimate night with a guy, then come sunrise he's out the door. Later that day you go to Central Park or some such place and he's out with a GG (wife, GF, whatever) and his behaviour towards her is totally different, and shows she obviously means more to him than just sex.

You guys speak of how does it feel about their GG wives or gfs sleeping with other men, well what about the t-girl who is supposed to welcome into her home and bed a man reeking of another woman's perfume. Yes, we get the sex, but she's got the papers. Those papers prove a man was willing to give that gg the protection of his name, and share his wordly goods. T-girls are supposed to be content with "hey, I'm giving you pleasure, be happy with that).


I've had men call me just arriving home from their honeymoon, while their wives were in labour, or the best bit, when they are "working late", "walking the dog", "out jogging", and so forth. The unstated is obvious, I want sex from you, but don't ask to be seen with me in public.

Perhaps back in the days when gays had few if any rights, one might expect such behaviour. However today with gays and lesbians getting married and having children in record numbers, one finds the numbers of men willing to commit to any sort of LTR with a trannie that does not involve just sex, very small.

The above is rather ironic considering how the "shemale" scene has exploded over the years. Checking out TG chat rooms, message boards, and even sites like this, one sees all sorts of men, many of them very young and very goodlooking into trannies. But the key thing is they only want sex. Ask them about settling down with a t-girl and things are very different.

[Felicia Katt]

Just for the record: I'm 25, single, a college graduate, employed full-time, and I live about 30 minutes from NYC.

If any transsexual girl out there wants a real boyfriend, here I am.

I don't need to hide anything from anyone. If people have a problem with my sexuality, then I don't want those people in my life anyway. Why would I want friends who are that judgmental?

So maybe all you've written is true of most t-girl admirers, but not this one. Not at all.
That would ring a little more true if you had your own pic as your avatar, disclosed even your first name or an email address in your profile, or if your AIM profile, in a different screen name no less, wasn't also empty.


FK

[mbf]

Know many of you men think trannies who post the sort of thing as the OP are bitter, jaded, etc; but think about this: if trannies of all age groups, all over the world post the same experiences, there must be something to it? No?

Have met men in Paris, Texas to Paris, France and the results are usually most always the same, they equate trannies with sex and that is about the extent of things. The ones who go on about wishing to meet a "nice" t-girl who is not an escort are 99.9% of the time guys who feel they shouldn't have to or do not wish to pay for sex. There are some health considerations as well, but by and large the former train of thought rules.

Will say however, European men by a small margin seem more willing to go out on a limb and establish a LTR with a trannie. Before all you girls start packing and getting passports, the margin is VERY small, and as always the ones normally willing to commit aren't the ones most girls are willing to commit to. That is if you are looking for Dolph Lundgren or Marcus Schenkenberg (younger versions obviously) as LTR material, you might as well stay home.

What many men who "date" trannies (and I use that term loosely), fail to understand is just how hurtful some of the things they do really are. Here you are spending an intimate night with a guy, then come sunrise he's out the door. Later that day you go to Central Park or some such place and he's out with a GG (wife, GF, whatever) and his behaviour towards her is totally different, and shows she obviously means more to him than just sex.

You guys speak of how does it feel about their GG wives or gfs sleeping with other men, well what about the t-girl who is supposed to welcome into her home and bed a man reeking of another woman's perfume. Yes, we get the sex, but she's got the papers. Those papers prove a man was willing to give that gg the protection of his name, and share his wordly goods. T-girls are supposed to be content with "hey, I'm giving you pleasure, be happy with that).


I've had men call me just arriving home from their honeymoon, while their wives were in labour, or the best bit, when they are "working late", "walking the dog", "out jogging", and so forth. The unstated is obvious, I want sex from you, but don't ask to be seen with me in public.

Perhaps back in the days when gays had few if any rights, one might expect such behaviour. However today with gays and lesbians getting married and having children in record numbers, one finds the numbers of men willing to commit to any sort of LTR with a trannie that does not involve just sex, very small.

The above is rather ironic considering how the "shemale" scene has exploded over the years. Checking out TG chat rooms, message boards, and even sites like this, one sees all sorts of men, many of them very young and very goodlooking into trannies. But the key thing is they only want sex. Ask them about settling down with a t-girl and things are very different.

Sweetheart,

I am a guy who actually HAD a LTR with a trannie. Just to find out I was lied to and cheated on, and beeing used for whatever she was up to at the moment, oh and I spent a ridiculous amount of money, to end up with, ummm, nothing.

Simply put, I have had my share.


@FeliciaKatt:

You still have it. The ability to make me laugh, that is....

[Alyssa87]

I dont know what to make of this.
Vanessa and Shining Star really make great points!

i guess all i can say is ive been lucky, i've gone out on dates, trips, and met families (and i THINK they knew my tea).
Yea, im single now, but i attribute that mostly to be being anal about keeping a 4.0

I try not to think about whether im accepted or not in any aspect of my life. I deserve respect, and i act like it.

Maybe allyou girls with men issues should move to the Jersey Shore, maybe theres something in the water.

I may not know you, but i love all of you..my sistazz. :grouphug

[Shining Star]

I dont know what to make of this.
Vanessa and Shining Star really make great points!

i guess all i can say is ive been lucky, i've gone out on dates, trips, and met families (and i THINK they knew my tea).
Yea, im single now, but i attribute that mostly to be being anal about keeping a 4.0

I try not to think about whether im accepted or not in any aspect of my life. I deserve respect, and i act like it.

Maybe allyou girls with men issues should move to the Jersey Shore, maybe theres something in the water.

I may not know you, but i love all of you..my sistazz. :grouphug Girl you have a good head on your shoulders, keep up the good work!

Actually believe if acceptance is going to come for trannies, it lies with the younger generation (<25 years old or thereabouts).

As we've seen with issues related to gays, the younger generation is more open than their parents or grandparents. Young gays today even at high school age are comfortable with who and what they are and make plans for their lives just the same as anyone else. College, "marriage", children, and so forth, all things that would have been unthinkable even in the 1980' are all possible today. I'm not saying discrimination does not exsist towards gays, but things are streets ahead of where they were twenty or even ten years ago.

Same applies for trannies. I've often remarked upon how great it is to see young t-girls going to college and getting on with their lives the same as anyone else. By doing so, and showing the world they are just the same as everyone else, will bring acceptance.

Went to college as a "female" and like yourself it was then began to develop the atttitude that didn't care if one was "accepted" or even "passing" or not. Just don't put your hands on me or try and mess with me and we will have no problems.

Yes, Jersey Boys can be fun, you'd be shocked to know how many "gay for pay" models, strippers, go-go boys and such come from Jersey. That being said, they do seem to be more laid back in NJ than NY. Heck NJ passed civil unions and other gay friendly laws long before NYS, and may even get legal marriage as well.

Keep on insisting on your place at the top table girl, as the song says "you are beautiful, no matter what they say, words can't bring you down.

Peace out.

SS

[KiraHarden]

Kira, we've had this discussion before, if I recall. No, I won't pay you....But, I will loan you the money 'til you decide to pay me back!!! :shrug
Who is this. you sorta seem familer :) Are you that guy in AZ. Ill be there on April 23 lol

[CORVETTEDUDE]

Kira, we've had this discussion before, if I recall. No, I won't pay you....But, I will loan you the money 'til you decide to pay me back!!! :shrug
Who is this. you sorta seem familer :) Are you that guy in AZ. Ill be there on April 23 lol

You SOOOOOOO funny!!!! AZ???, if you land in AZ you'll have hopped right over me. WTF! :banghead

[RMan1]

Whether a guy pays or not, a TS for most guys is a play thing, a fling, nothing more, nothing less, get use to it.

[Supai]

I've talked to a few guys who turned out to be unwilling to treat a Transsexual like a genetic girl. But it was no loss as these were same guys who turned out having the most depraved wants and I knew there was no way I could date them... let alone feel comfortable being around them in real life.

[hippifried]

Most guys that say they love transsexual's dont. They just love the dick, and wont admit it. If they loved us they would be proud of having a TS GF.
I'll admit it. Butteye like the pussy too, & I know the difference. I don't love ya, but if I can get it free or at a discount, I'll tell you anything you want.

I've been blissfully divorced for over 35 years & to tell you the truth, I don't want a GF at all. I have no emotional ties to anyone other than my immediate family, & I don't want any more. I don't care about your personal life or problems & I don't want to hear about it. I don't mind paying. It's actually cheaper in the long run & there shouldn't be any games. I'm just out for a good time, but I'm paying for more than just sex. I'm also paying for absolute discretion, & most importantly, I'm paying for you to leave when I'm done. If I even get the slightest whiff of emotional nonsense, you're outa here. Any tacking on extra charges over & above the agreed on price, or any other ripoff nonsense, you're outa here. Don't expect a callback. Keep it light & keep it fun. Do right by me & I'll do right by you. We can even do repeat business now & then. If you want more than that, don't be asking for money.

[justatransgirl]

I'm not bitter or jaded... but if you ride my train you buy a ticket. One way or another I'm going to get something out of the arrangement beside being kept in the dark with a sore ass. :-)

I'd say Vanessa was right, that most of the girls on this site don't "have" to escort, but we do it because we like it. For the most part the girls on here are the cream of the crop. Most of us didn't get where we are by being ignorant. Most have good marketing skills, college degrees, and are quality people and the top professionals in the field. So we tend to be pickier both in dates and LTR's than your local crackhead on CL.

Giggles,
TS Jamie :-)

[Killah]

Aint nobody looking for a TS girlfriend/wifey and I aint paying for shit - I just want a fuck friend. None of that romance shit - just a good thrill and a climax. Get with the times.

And you wanna know what you get out of it? That fact that I chose you to fuck aint good enough?? :roll:

[OEMEnemyNum1]

and as always the ones normally willing to commit aren't the ones most girls are willing to commit to. That is if you are looking for Dolph Lundgren or Marcus Schenkenberg (younger versions obviously) as LTR material, you might as well stay home.


This is an interesting point. It sucks because you're basically saying the guys that would commit to a TS are looked upon as outcasts too. Maybe these are guys the girls wouldn't be seen in public with hmmm.

I'd be the kind of guy to take a girl home to mom, but for me to settle down she would have to knock my socks off. Not only that, I'd have to know she felt the same. I'm just not sure thats gonna happen for both of us. That would be wild as hell, but I'm not holding my breath.

Life goes on and I'll keep trying to enjoy it. 8)

[OEMEnemyNum1]

Aint nobody looking for a TS girlfriend/wifey and I aint paying for shit - I just want a fuck friend. None of that romance shit - just a good thrill and a climax. Get with the times.

And you wanna know what you get out of it? That fact that I chose you to fuck aint good enough?? :roll:

This guy isn't in denial at all, trully knows what he wants.

[slinky]

So true sister!!!!!!!!!!!
As a ts who doesn't need to escort, I continue to escort now for that reason.
MEN treating me like a dirty secret.
Men just fucking and leaving.
Men not wanting to be seen in public with me, yet in private tell me how hott I am and how good I look.
Men not caring about anything in my life but the sexual.
Men not seeing me as a woman who has feelings and wants to be loved, or at best cared for, just seeing me as a nice hard cock and the best ass on the planet.
So I continue to escort.
It numbs the feelings factor.
I met nice guys, who I would date at times, and its sad.
Guys who are afraid of what other people think, guys insecure with themselves.
So I charge. Not out of necissity, but as a reminder.
Men will no longer use me. I will get mine first.
As long as you pay me, I will be that secret.
True I spend the money alone. but I enjoy every penny to a point.
I will enjoy all the material things you guys money as long as I can. I will see the world, I will dress in the best, I will do whatever the mood strikes me to do with you guys money. One day I may meet a man who will love me and appreciate me for the woman I am. Until then, my time is money.

How about if you met a guy who you liked and who liked you back.
Who wasn't afraid to be seen with you in public. A guy who held your hand in public, all during movies, at dinner in restaurants. A guy who kissed you goodnite in front of his friends and yours.
A guy who always listened to your problems - not just nodded while watching football, but really listened, sympathized, gave advice and said "poor baby" when your feelings were hurt by anything. A guy who you talked to about business and took you seriously and had meaningful business conversations with. A guy who's advice actually meant something to you and whenever you asked for his help, he was there for you giving it.
A guy who told you you didn't need any of the 100 things you were wanting to do to change your body because he said you looked fine the way you were (and meant it).
A guy who when you went out, sometimes paid for you and you sometimes paid for him - at random. Not taking turns or quid pro quo, just whatever, whenever. A guy who has never paid you anything or paid for "your anything" (boobs, pumping, etc.).
A guy who snuggled with you in bed watching TV.
But a guy who you knew it wasn't all about sex - because you weren't having sex.

What would you say then? What nasty things would you have to say about this guy?

[justatransgirl]

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How about if you met a guy who you liked and who liked you back.
Who wasn't afraid to be seen with you in public. A guy who held your hand in public, all during movies, at dinner in restaurants. A guy who kissed you goodnite in front of his friends and yours.
A guy who always listened to your problems - not just nodded while watching football, but really listened, sympathized, gave advice and said "poor baby" when your feelings were hurt by anything. A guy who you talked to about business and took you seriously and had meaningful business conversations with. A guy who's advice actually meant something to you and whenever you asked for his help, he was there for you giving it.
A guy who told you you didn't need any of the 100 things you were wanting to do to change your body because he said you looked fine the way you were (and meant it).
A guy who when you went out, sometimes paid for you and you sometimes paid for him - at random. Not taking turns or quid pro quo, just whatever, whenever. A guy who has never paid you anything or paid for "your anything" (boobs, pumping, etc.).
A guy who snuggled with you in bed watching TV.
But a guy who you knew it wasn't all about sex - because you weren't having sex.

What would you say then? What nasty things would you have to say about this guy?

I have a guy like that - minus the kissing, sex, "poor baby" and hand holding part.

I can't say anything but praise for him - he's not afraid to be seen with me in public, he's never paid me a dime, or bought me a drink in a bar. I've bought him meals, and I discuss business with him on a regular basis. He's put in 14 hour days beside me, without complaint. I respect his opinions and we like each other as friends and I trust him with the keys to my house.

He's my employee...

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

[Fox]

To The Guy's That Won't Pay A TS For Sex " Listen up

Well, since you called... 8)

I'm personally not looking for a relationship with a TS, but I'm open to one. If I were looking, I'd probably be a chaser. I'm just open to a relationship to a woman period. I also want to hit the lottery, but if that never happens I won't be crying about it on my deathbed. ;)

Oh, and I'll be a gentleman and pay for a date (real date), but I still won't engage in a monetary transaction to give a chick money and she gives up the ass. I got no problem with those who do, but my ego won't allow for that. :lol:

[tstv_lover]

As a ts who doesn't need to escort, I continue to escort now for that reason.
MEN treating me like a dirty secret.
Men just fucking and leaving.
Men not wanting to be seen in public with me, yet in private tell me how hott I am and how good I look.
Men not caring about anything in my life but the sexual.
Men not seeing me as a woman who has feelings and wants to be loved, or at best cared for, just seeing me as a nice hard cock and the best ass on the planet.
So I continue to escort.
It numbs the feelings factor.
I met nice guys, who I would date at times, and its sad.
Guys who are afraid of what other people think, guys insecure with themselves.
So I charge. Not out of necissity, but as a reminder.
Men will no longer use me. I will get mine first.


This thread sure has brought out all kinds of attitudes.

I don't like posts that start "all men" or "all transsexuals". Each one of us is individual, with unique desires, dreams, ambitions, experience and aims. Respect that everyone is different and has their own view.

Speaking personally, I have been in a LTR with a transsexual girl and found it to be special because of her personality, frailty, strength, humour - not because of her dick. I've also dated several other girls, some of whom were transsexual and some not.

My question for Vanessa, and other girls, is:

If you're experience has made you so negative about men that you need to "numb your feelings", how will you ever know when some guy is really interested in you as a person rather than transsexual?

[slinky]

My question for Vanessa, and other girls, is:

If you're experience has made you so negative about men that you need to "numb your feelings", how will you ever know when some guy is really interested in you as a person rather than transsexual?

The dark side of sex work is that it permanently changes how you deal with 2 things: men and money.

[KiraHarden]

Here's the deal and why I use to escort. I started out transitioning believing that I would meet guys that wanted to take me out, date me and get to know me like any other female. Boy, was I ever living in a fantasy land. All I heard was " You sure are Purty" but someone might see us

Most guys that say they love transsexual's dont. They just love the dick, and wont admit it. If they loved us they would be proud of having a TS GF. Not saying this is there first time and going to town like its a 7-11 slurpy. Your not fooling this tranny, bub.

If your afraid to be seen with us in public, and have a secret life. and just want to live out your TS fantasy. You should pay a TS for sex. Dont give me the high and mighty moral crap that its wrong and it's beneath you. Save those lies for your wife and children when they catch you viewing tranny porn

If you have the ability to use a TS for your fantasy, and sneak out out on your wife and or cheat. You have the morals of aemoeba, so just hire an escort, As Nike says " Just Do It" Save the bullshit for the pearly gates or gates of hell

All you guys that have hopes of being with a TS for a fantasy, Its just not going to happen. I'm sorry to break it too you, but we are rare, unique and difficult to find. Im sure you know that.

Your gonna be on your deathbed with a unfullfiled fantasy as your life gets snuffed out by father time. Your gonna think "shit I should have hired that HAWT ass 38DDD T-girl before she retired. Cough, Cough, Cough! Excuse me I had something stuck in my throat. Not the first time and not the last.

Then a cpl cough cough's,a weez or two then and off to the emballming room, and crying family members. But at least you took your secret to the grave with you... Psst! I have a little secret. All those loved ones that passed before you,have been watching you wank to tranny porn. Angel's dont keep secret's. I'm sure they gossip about us heathens still down here.

I'm sure you'll meet this tranny in heaven with her tranny wings ( Our wing's are pink and small like cupid's) so we can be identified. Just say " Hey I thought you were HAWT. You wanna go doink on a cloud. For free of course. You guys never learn

So Im not good writter, just read the damn thing.
So true sister!!!!!!!!!!!
As a ts who doesn't need to escort, I continue to escort now for that reason.
MEN treating me like a dirty secret.
Men just fucking and leaving.
Men not wanting to be seen in public with me, yet in private tell me how hott I am and how good I look.
Men not caring about anything in my life but the sexual.
Men not seeing me as a woman who has feelings and wants to be loved, or at best cared for, just seeing me as a nice hard cock and the best ass on the planet.
So I continue to escort.
It numbs the feelings factor.
I met nice guys, who I would date at times, and its sad.
Guys who are afraid of what other people think, guys insecure with themselves.
So I charge. Not out of necissity, but as a reminder.
Men will no longer use me. I will get mine first.
As long as you pay me, I will be that secret.
True I spend the money alone. but I enjoy every penny to a point.
I will enjoy all the material things you guys money as long as I can. I will see the world, I will dress in the best, I will do whatever the mood strikes me to do with you guys money. One day I may meet a man who will love me and appreciate me for the woman I am. Until then, my time is money.

Hey Vanessa,

I couldnt agree with you more and you even added more valid point that i have exp , but left out. I think many of us go thru this and may be a starting cause for a few to escort.

I placed a ad a few days ago for a casual date out in Milwaukee. I was looking for a guy to go hang out with at museum and a sports bar to watch some baseball, and just have some conversation. I did say you must be comfortable in public with a TS. I did not get a single response for a day out, but hey if you just want to have some fun replys. :cry:

[KiraHarden]

Kira, we've had this discussion before, if I recall. No, I won't pay you....But, I will loan you the money 'til you decide to pay me back!!! :shrug
Who is this. you sorta seem familer :) Are you that guy in AZ. Ill be there on April 23 lol

You SOOOOOOO funny!!!! AZ???, if you land in AZ you'll have hopped right over me. WTF! :banghead
Yes, Ill be there for 4 days. I'm so excited ( Ihave always wanted to go the Canyon. I love Nature, history, and geology. :peanutbutter

[KiraHarden]

[quote="Danny partridge"][quote]


Your avatar is so HAWT! Hmmm!, that turns me on.

[KiraHarden]

As a ts who doesn't need to escort, I continue to escort now for that reason.
MEN treating me like a dirty secret.
Men just fucking and leaving.
Men not wanting to be seen in public with me, yet in private tell me how hott I am and how good I look.
Men not caring about anything in my life but the sexual.
Men not seeing me as a woman who has feelings and wants to be loved, or at best cared for, just seeing me as a nice hard cock and the best ass on the planet.
So I continue to escort.
It numbs the feelings factor.
I met nice guys, who I would date at times, and its sad.
Guys who are afraid of what other people think, guys insecure with themselves.
So I charge. Not out of necissity, but as a reminder.
Men will no longer use me. I will get mine first.


This thread sure has brought out all kinds of attitudes.

I don't like posts that start "all men" or "all transsexuals". Each one of us is individual, with unique desires, dreams, ambitions, experience and aims. Respect that everyone is different and has their own view.

Speaking personally, I have been in a LTR with a transsexual girl and found it to be special because of her personality, frailty, strength, humour - not because of her dick. I've also dated several other girls, some of whom were transsexual and some not.

My question for Vanessa, and other girls, is:

If you're experience has made you so negative about men that you need to "numb your feelings", how will you ever know when some guy is really interested in you as a person rather than transsexual?

I didnt start this thread with the thought of all men. I was addressing the guys that have ts fantasies of being with a ts, but they refuse to pay, because paying for sex is wrong.

It's hard enough meeting a TS, and if you dont even have genetics on your side, hide in the house, live a secret life of tranny porn. Just pay a the girl. They always ask if I can help make their fantasy come true. Sure I can if you hire me.

Thats, when yah hear "I don't pay for sex" How mant girls here, are going to say " sure baby I'll be right over for your fantasy. Nice cock shot by the way"


Not a single compliment on my new photo from anyone. Boo!!!! :cry:

[ossumpeiEIEIO]

I've been dating the same pre-op for over 7 years.

Havn't paid for sex in over 15.

After reading some of your posts, I wouldn't date or pay you anyway.

[tstv_lover]

Congratulations ossumpei, you've clearly got a great relationship going.

Kira, it seems that escorting brings inevitable exposure to the worst side of guys and causes bitterness.

Not all guys want sex without paying. Some guys wouldn't want to be with a transsexual who charges by the hour rather than celebrating life together.

Hope you find what you're looking for...whatever that is.

[hwbs]

lol @ this thread....fast money.... its the be all end all... aka i put myself in potential dangerous situations because a guy liked what iwas packing...call a spade a spade...some of us are stupid on here but most know the score...

[SugaSweet]

Quanto questa,por favor?

[2754tim]

Sorry Kira,BTW,Very Nice Pic

[mbf]

My question for Vanessa, and other girls, is:

If you're experience has made you so negative about men that you need to "numb your feelings", how will you ever know when some guy is really interested in you as a person rather than transsexual?

They never will of course. They start out with an already established bad attitude, and since humans tend to follow established ways they will probably seek out exactly such insincere men.

Simply to reinforce their stereotype. That might sound illogical, but it isn't. Since a confirmed stereotype always is benificial for the person who has it. He/she doesn't have to modify their well-known patterns.

[RangeHova]

I've never been the paying type and yes I have had my share of meaningless sex. At the same time I have had more than my share of meaningful relationships with TS women.

I have seen first hand the way most guys approach the girls and I really can see why so many girls take the position that they do. While I won't be going into my pockets for sex, I understand why girls charge. If it was some big fantasy thing for me, I would pay. I feel like the guys that just want a fantasy should pay.

The part about going out in public is kind of complicated for me. First off, I prefer to date girls that I think are passable but even with the most passable women they have moments where they can be read. I find initially, I may be hesitant about the public thing. I want to know more about her and how she acts and carries herself.

I have seen many a girl look GREAT in the club but not able to do a convincing daytime look. Or those girls that, although pretty and feminine can't turn off the 'femme gay boy' act.

More than anything it all comes down to a connection with that woman. If we make that connection (I'm not even talking about being in love) everything changes. I have connections with girls who can be read but since they are my friends I don't care about what anyone thinks.

That is why I have been much more slow to even get physical with any girl. I don't even approach a girl that I'm not interested in dealing with outside of the bedroom.

[AverageJob]

I can see why someone would pay for sex they probably lack charm

[Felicia Katt]

I've been dating the same pre-op for over 7 years.

Havn't paid for sex in over 15.

After reading some of your posts, I wouldn't date or pay you anyway.
If she ever saw your pic, you couldn't pay her enough.

FK

[ossumpeiEIEIO]

I've been dating the same pre-op for over 7 years.

Havn't paid for sex in over 15.

After reading some of your posts, I wouldn't date or pay you anyway.
If she ever saw your pic, you couldn't pay her enough.

FK

Speaking of someone I wouldn't pay or date....

I see you found the wig sale at Petsmart.

[Felicia Katt]

I've been dating the same pre-op for over 7 years.

Havn't paid for sex in over 15.

After reading some of your posts, I wouldn't date or pay you anyway.
If she ever saw your pic, you couldn't pay her enough.

FK

Speaking of someone I wouldn't pay or date....

I see you found the wig sale at Petsmart.
oh SNAP! wow the guy with more chins than a chinese phone book really put me in my place LOL

Its good to see that some things never change
http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=76038&highlight=hot#76038

you are still bitter, and I am still better rated than 90 per cent of all the girls on Hot or Not.

FK

[ARMANIXXX]

Well Kira,

The best advise I can think to give you is, perhaps you should get the hell out of Wisconsin.

TS's ain't that rare where I live babe.



Good luck.

[KiraHarden]

Well Kira,

The best advise I can think to give you is, perhaps you should get the hell out of Wisconsin.

TS's ain't that rare where I live babe.



Good luck.
I'm trying, I'm trying. I have a transfer in at work to relocate to LA

[Killah]

Aint nobody looking for a TS girlfriend/wifey and I aint paying for shit - I just want a fuck friend. None of that romance shit - just a good thrill and a climax. Get with the times.

And you wanna know what you get out of it? That fact that I chose you to fuck aint good enough?? :roll:

This guy isn't in denial at all, trully knows what he wants.

Im just being honest. Seriously, nobody wants a tranny for a girlfriend or a wifey. In vice versa, thats like me finding a supermodel wife that cooks, cleans and wants to have a family - to find such a person is like finding a diamond deep in the Pacific Ocean. Thats jus a some ol movie script shit. In reality, they know their beauty will sell, so they'll exploit it and get rich and become stuck up.

Most guys already as it is can't ever see themselves settling down and just want some females to "kick it" with and they may even considered one of these chicks to be their main squeeze while they're fuckin around with some other chicks. But with T-girls its different - ain't no guys gonna get into a serious relationship with a chick that was born with a dick - a tranny will NEVER be a guy's main squeeze. Just play the fair exchange game and don't give up any ass or head unless theyre gonna give it up too.

[Trogdor]

Ain't no guys gonna get into a serious relationship with a chick that was born with a dick - a tranny will NEVER be a guy's main squeeze.

Why do ya say that?

If she's a hottie, why not? :?: :arrow: :?

[tstv_lover]

Im just being honest. Seriously, nobody wants a tranny for a girlfriend or a wifey. In vice versa, thats like me finding a supermodel wife that cooks, cleans and wants to have a family - to find such a person is like finding a diamond deep in the Pacific Ocean. Thats jus a some ol movie script shit. In reality, they know their beauty will sell, so they'll exploit it and get rich and become stuck up.

Most guys already as it is can't ever see themselves settling down and just want some females to "kick it" with and they may even considered one of these chicks to be their main squeeze while they're fuckin around with some other chicks. But with T-girls its different - ain't no guys gonna get into a serious relationship with a chick that was born with a dick - a tranny will NEVER be a guy's main squeeze. Just play the fair exchange game and don't give up any ass or head unless theyre gonna give it up too.

Here we go again. Someone talking on behalf of "all guys".

The reality is different. There are guys here who would certainly maintain a serious relationship with a transsexual, some of us already have.

See, it's the diversity that makes life interesting.

[ossumpeiEIEIO]

I've been dating the same pre-op for over 7 years.

Havn't paid for sex in over 15.

After reading some of your posts, I wouldn't date or pay you anyway.
If she ever saw your pic, you couldn't pay her enough.

FK

Speaking of someone I wouldn't pay or date....

I see you found the wig sale at Petsmart.
oh SNAP! wow the guy with more chins than a chinese phone book really put me in my place LOL

Its good to see that some things never change
http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=76038&highlight=hot#76038

you are still bitter, and I am still better rated than 90 per cent of all the girls on Hot or Not.

FK


Whats so sad is that your desparate need for attention includes attacking innocent people, continually attempting to hijack threads, and the pathetic clinging to even the slightest shred of negativity, as long as its directed towards you.

Just like your answer to this post.

Do you date or escort, or you all alone with your nasty attitude and Barnum and Bailey makeovers.

No wonder your so outrageously jealous of someone who has found a long term lover.

[doradora]

i feel that in transsexual social have many many guys. so many guys hunting transsexuals.
they said.
"i understand you." "you are so beautiful." "i love you."

one transsexual people have many propose(?) from guys. generally they have many guys.
but the guys almost a liar.

i heard that from many young beautiful transsexuals.
"i feel lonely.."

many guys say
"you are special to me."
sometimes it seems like(?) that
"you are my special and rare SexToy."
i heard this from some friend in my country.

many people say that "l love you". they used many sugary word.
but they never married with transsexual. and they will.

many friend wounded this.
if you don't give me that true love, give me money.

i don't think this is bad.
the money need for life more than sugary word.


[uhm....if i misunderstand KiraHarden_TS's message. i'm so sorry.]

[2754tim]

To:ossumpeiEIEIO.Felicia is without a doubt one the nicest,most intelligent,sexiest,most compassionate,funniest,classiest woman on this site.
I better never meet you,I'll throw you out a fucking window

[Killah]

Ain't no guys gonna get into a serious relationship with a chick that was born with a dick - a tranny will NEVER be a guy's main squeeze.

Why do ya say that?

If she's a hottie, why not? :?: :arrow: :?

Since when does being a hottie automatically make someone a main squeeeze? Thats just means that hottie needs to be on the other end my dick.

And no, I dont speak for every guy, Im just saying your "ideal" person is like finding a diamond in a large ocean. Other than that, I just speak for the majority - that majority that Kira has a problem with.

[KiraHarden]

I've been dating the same pre-op for over 7 years.

Havn't paid for sex in over 15.

After reading some of your posts, I wouldn't date or pay you anyway.
If she ever saw your pic, you couldn't pay her enough.

FK
Hey Kittie Kat, was he talking to me?

[PapiQueRico]

This is a good thread. I can't say what I would or would not do until its time to make a decision. I've seen a couple of chicks with dicks that definately caught my eye in the same way a chick with a puzzy has. For me, I like the vibe I get with many TS - so who knows.

[KiraHarden]

This is a good thread. I can't say what I would or would not do until its time to make a decision. I've seen a couple of chicks with dicks that definately caught my eye in the same way a chick with a puzzy has. For me, I like the vibe I get with many TS - so who knows.
Awww, My first good thread idea. WhoHoo :peanutbutter

[ossumpeiEIEIO]

I've been dating the same pre-op for over 7 years.

Havn't paid for sex in over 15.

After reading some of your posts, I wouldn't date or pay you anyway.
If she ever saw your pic, you couldn't pay her enough.

FK
Hey Kittie Kat, was he talking to me?

Yes, I was talking to you.

[ossumpeiEIEIO]

To:ossumpeiEIEIO.Felicia is without a doubt one the nicest,most intelligent,sexiest,most compassionate,funniest,classiest woman on this site.
I better never meet you,I'll throw you out a fucking window

An endorsement about class, compassion, intelligenct etc... from someone who threatens strangers on the net How appropriate.

I wouldn't fit through a window asshole, you'd have to throw me off a roof.

[KiraHarden]

I've been dating the same pre-op for over 7 years.

Havn't paid for sex in over 15.

After reading some of your posts, I wouldn't date or pay you anyway.
If she ever saw your pic, you couldn't pay her enough.

FK
Hey Kittie Kat, was he talking to me?

Yes, I was talking to you.
Cool, just checking! :D

[Mugai_hentaisha]

Kira you are right on!

and your pic is very classy hot as well

[PapiQueRico]

As far as the title, who doesn't pay?

[TheOne1]

As far as the title, who doesn't pay?

I absolutely doubt all guys have to pay for sex..

[PapiQueRico]

As far as the title, who doesn't pay?

I absolutely doubt all guys have to pay for sex..

Of course not, but I was wondering who should pay that isn't paying and why LOL

[TheOne1]

As far as the title, who doesn't pay?

I absolutely doubt all guys have to pay for sex..

Of course not, but I was wondering who should pay that isn't paying and why LOL

due to the economy, the government has adapted grants to sex providers to offer low income individuals a chance to get some ass for free to keep their hopes up ..while their house goes into foreclosure, and their car is getting repo'd.

[Felicia Katt]

Whats so sad is that your desparate need for attention includes attacking innocent people, continually attempting to hijack threads, and the pathetic clinging to even the slightest shred of negativity, as long as its directed towards you.

Just like your answer to this post.

Do you date or escort, or you all alone with your nasty attitude and Barnum and Bailey makeovers.

No wonder your so outrageously jealous of someone who has found a long term lover.
This started when YOU attacked Kira. Otherwise, I would never bother with you and would leave you to live under your deluded, self congratulatory bridge. You are the negative one on the boards, not me.

As far as my dating and escorting, are you asking me to confess, or brag? LOL Lets just put it this way. If you had turned down 1/100th as many meals, as I've turned down dates for money, you might be able to actually see your own feet again.

Many people on here have met me in person. I'll wait and see how many jump in to support any of your contentions about my attitude or character flaws. As far as looks go, because this is about you not, her, I won't say a thing about your girlfriend (even though we both know I have seen her pic and we both know I easily could if I was as nasty and vindictive as you claim) Suffice it to say, she would be the one at home under the big top, not me.

btw, by big top, I meant circus tent. Not you LOL I would rather be with the undertaker than ever under you.

FK

[Felicia Katt]

To:ossumpeiEIEIO.Felicia is without a doubt one the nicest,most intelligent,sexiest,most compassionate,funniest,classiest woman on this site.
I better never meet you,I'll throw you out a fucking window
Thanks Tim!!! :). if you really want to hurt him tho, throw him out of a drive thru window!! LOL

meow

FK

[ossumpeiEIEIO]

Whats so sad is that your desparate need for attention includes attacking innocent people, continually attempting to hijack threads, and the pathetic clinging to even the slightest shred of negativity, as long as its directed towards you.

Just like your answer to this post.

Do you date or escort, or you all alone with your nasty attitude and Barnum and Bailey makeovers.

No wonder your so outrageously jealous of someone who has found a long term lover.
This started when YOU attacked Kira. Otherwise, I would never bother with you and would leave you to live under your deluded, self congratulatory bridge. You are the negative one on the boards, not me.

As far as my dating and escorting, are you asking me to confess, or brag? LOL Lets just put it this way. If you had turned down 1/100th as many meals, as I've turned down dates for money, you might be able to actually see your own feet again.

Many people on here have met me in person. I'll wait and see how many jump in to support any of your contentions about my attitude or character flaws. As far as looks go, because this is about you not, her, I won't say a thing about your girlfriend (even though we both know I have seen her pic and we both know I easily could if I was as nasty and vindictive as you claim) Suffice it to say, she would be the one at home under the big top, not me.

btw, by big top, I meant circus tent. Not you LOL I would rather be with the undertaker than ever under you.

FK

I'm sure you get asked to have sex for money, what with the way you look and all, I bet it happens all the time. Truck stops and seedy clubs are filled with your type of men.

You can't help but be jealous of my girlfriend and me. It shows in the way you attack a simple comment I made. We have love, something you wish so badly for but will never have because of your attitude.

I didn't attack whats her name, I just made a simple reply to her post. You took offense because you need the attention, and grasp at even the slightest negative, petty straws of it. She didn't seem to mind, but you jumped at the chance to draw attention to yourself again.

So who decides on your color schemse and hair styles, Barnum or Bailey?

[doradora]

hello KiraHarden_TS :)
i have one question to you.
can you understand my message?
my english look like english? or look like as alien language?

and look like that i can understand your message?
i feel uneasy.. :(

[doradora]

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[doradora]

my god! what is this?
how can i delete my reply?

[KiraHarden]

Whats so sad is that your desparate need for attention includes attacking innocent people, continually attempting to hijack threads, and the pathetic clinging to even the slightest shred of negativity, as long as its directed towards you.

Just like your answer to this post.

Do you date or escort, or you all alone with your nasty attitude and Barnum and Bailey makeovers.

No wonder your so outrageously jealous of someone who has found a long term lover.
This started when YOU attacked Kira. Otherwise, I would never bother with you and would leave you to live under your deluded, self congratulatory bridge. You are the negative one on the boards, not me.

As far as my dating and escorting, are you asking me to confess, or brag? LOL Lets just put it this way. If you had turned down 1/100th as many meals, as I've turned down dates for money, you might be able to actually see your own feet again.

Many people on here have met me in person. I'll wait and see how many jump in to support any of your contentions about my attitude or character flaws. As far as looks go, because this is about you not, her, I won't say a thing about your girlfriend (even though we both know I have seen her pic and we both know I easily could if I was as nasty and vindictive as you claim) Suffice it to say, she would be the one at home under the big top, not me.

btw, by big top, I meant circus tent. Not you LOL I would rather be with the undertaker than ever under you.

FK
Well, I met you and I thought you were a great person and would love to hang out more when I get back to LA.

[KiraHarden]

my god! what is this?
how can i delete my reply?
LMAO! what the hell are you trying to post?

[doradora]

i'm just wish pink window. :cry:
like this ->
--------------------------------------
doradora wrote:
my god! what is this?
how can i delete my reply?
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and i failed and then i thought that quote button =Delete button .
forgive me..please

[Quinn]

lol @ this thread....fast money.... its the be all end all... aka i put myself in potential dangerous situations because a guy liked what iwas packing...call a spade a spade...some of us are stupid on here but most know the score...

Yep.

-Quinn

[Felicia Katt]

Well, I met you and I thought you were a great person and would love to hang out more when I get back to LA.
thanks girl :) you know I think highly of you too, and of course we will hang out when you are back here :)

FK

[nevadasmith74]

To me this is a perfectly simple conundrum. Any girl who escorts will only be exposed to men who she them as an object for sex not as a woman worth getting to know. As many have said the number of good guys who actually want a relationship with a tgirl are very small. The type of guy who would want a relationship would never pay for sex and would thus not want to be with a girl that escorts. In short tgirl escorts only want to be with the type of guy that wouldn't want to be with her.

I have been with tgirls for years and have no problem being out in public etc. In fact I was in a museum yesterday with a very nice girl. We were holding hands, chatting, laughing etc. We went to a restaurant after the museum. All in all a very pleasant date. However, something was niggling at me all the time I was with her. I did a little investigative work and imagine how pleased I was when I saw her ad on Eros, guess it makes sense why she was rushing to get home at 7pm and checking her iPhone every few minutes.

I was perfectly willing to try and let this develop but how could I be with someone who will be with several guys between each time I see her?

[bulldog]

I wont pay anybody for sex, no offense meant to anyone, I dont have a problem with people who escort and I encourage them to make a decent/nice living for themselves doing what they wanna do. I just do not pay for sex, hell I am still a virgin and ALL, ALL my friends wanna go out and pay some girl to have sex with me just so I am not a virgin anymore and I still refuse to this day. I know that one day it will just happen, and then it will be over. :shrug

As for being seen out in public with a girl, it really truelly doesnt matter what sex organ she has, I will view her as she wishes to be viewed, and not give a fuck who knows and who doesnt, cuz that is her business and I will let her decide who she wants to know. I can almost certainly guarentee what my families reaction would be, shame, anger and all around disappointment. But I doubt it would be b/c you are different, but because of the escorting, hell they are morbidly afraid of having porn in their house, and are againse ALL "SMUT" lol

Srry all, just had to pour my heart out, I know I got off topic quite a few times, and even blew the dont ask dont tell thing outta the water too lol

My new lifelong philosophy is from Carlos Mencia
Quote"If you aint laughin you aint livin"

Later all
Ben

[BBaggins06]

I've been dating the same pre-op for over 7 years.

Havn't paid for sex in over 15.

After reading some of your posts, I wouldn't date or pay you anyway.

Well, as someone who has met Kira in real life and only had to pay for a couple of drinks and a movie ticket, you'll never know what an intelligent, funny and engaging person she is. Just don't tell her that Batista is gay or she'll punch you in the kidneys like she did to me. ;) Mahalo

Matt

PS. Just kidding about the punching thing. She did try to stab me with one of those margarita umbrellas though. :twisted:

[KiraHarden]

I've been dating the same pre-op for over 7 years.

Havn't paid for sex in over 15.

After reading some of your posts, I wouldn't date or pay you anyway.

Well, as someone who has met Kira in real life and only had to pay for a couple of drinks and a movie ticket, you'll never know what an intelligent, funny and engaging person she is. Just don't tell her that Batista is gay or she'll punch you in the kidneys like she did to me. ;) Mahalo

Matt

PS. Just kidding about the punching thing. She did try to stab me with one of those margarita umbrellas though. :twisted:

Grrr! Dave Batista is not gay. Oh, can you make me sound any more easy. You made it sound like I put out for a cpl of drinks and movie.... :shock: :lol:

[Azanti]

The one TS I loved, I would have married any day, and 'not given a fuck about how it read in the report sheet' to quote a film.

But thats just me.

[punkox]

Plain and simple... there are three transexuals i'd out myself for: Mariana Cordoba, Jennifer Paris, and Nicole Neuman... that's it... so for me it's about how hot they are... just being honest.

[Felicia Katt]

I'm sure you get asked to have sex for money, what with the way you look and all, I bet it happens all the time. Truck stops and seedy clubs are filled with your type of men.

You can't help but be jealous of my girlfriend and me. It shows in the way you attack a simple comment I made. We have love, something you wish so badly for but will never have because of your attitude.

I didn't attack whats her name, I just made a simple reply to her post. You took offense because you need the attention, and grasp at even the slightest negative, petty straws of it. She didn't seem to mind, but you jumped at the chance to draw attention to yourself again.

So who decides on your color schemse and hair styles, Barnum or Bailey?

Jealous? please! LOL

If I wanted a guy like you, I might try a truck stop, but I would probably have better luck at a Hometown Buffet.

No thanks!!

I'll stick to Peanuts. For me thats the best nightclub on the west coast full of hot and generous men.

For you its what people mistakenly try to feed you at that circus you are so fond of referencing.

FK

[BBaggins06]

I've been dating the same pre-op for over 7 years.

Havn't paid for sex in over 15.

After reading some of your posts, I wouldn't date or pay you anyway.

Well, as someone who has met Kira in real life and only had to pay for a couple of drinks and a movie ticket, you'll never know what an intelligent, funny and engaging person she is. Just don't tell her that Batista is gay or she'll punch you in the kidneys like she did to me. ;) Mahalo

Matt

PS. Just kidding about the punching thing. She did try to stab me with one of those margarita umbrellas though. :twisted:

Grrr! Dave Batista is not gay. Oh, can you make me sound any more easy. You made it sound like I put out for a cpl of drinks and movie.... :shock: :lol:

Well, you're not denying it either Kira. 8) And you did let me pet your pussy .... cat. Mahalo

Matt

[doradora]

I've been dating the same pre-op for over 7 years.

Havn't paid for sex in over 15.

After reading some of your posts, I wouldn't date or pay you anyway.

Well, as someone who has met Kira in real life and only had to pay for a couple of drinks and a movie ticket, you'll never know what an intelligent, funny and engaging person she is. Just don't tell her that Batista is gay or she'll punch you in the kidneys like she did to me. ;) Mahalo

Matt

PS. Just kidding about the punching thing. She did try to stab me with one of those margarita umbrellas though. :twisted:

Grrr! Dave Batista is not gay. Oh, can you make me sound any more easy. You made it sound like I put out for a cpl of drinks and movie.... :shock: :lol:

<-oh my! i failed again and again!
how could i do :cry:

oh Kira, do you like Batista?
do you watch WWE or Pro-wrestling?
i love that!

Batista is cool and soooooooooooo sexy!
l fall in love with his back!

and these time,
http://youtube.com/watch?v=m3cT6wCzjKU
(<-WRESTLEMANIA 21 PROMO)
he was best of me!

how about think-tison tomko?
He is cool, too. but some time..He look like that just trying will be same Batista. hmmm...


do you know Great Muta(=Kaiji mutoh)? He is japanese Wrestler.
now, he is sooo dandy guy. isn't him?

Great Muta vs. GREAT MUTA (Johnny Stamboli=Rellik)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IIWjbRNKA1w
<-in here he crashed truck :(

and he quarreled in the ring with Hogan.
heard that? :o
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8f-p0tkCuZg

I think, this is best Muta's entrance ever! but the match is sucks... :smh
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_Wq0YdbHlxo

[Charlie31]

Just for the record: I'm 25, single, a college graduate, employed full-time, and I live about 30 minutes from NYC.

If any transsexual girl out there wants a real boyfriend, here I am.

I don't need to hide anything from anyone. If people have a problem with my sexuality, then I don't want those people in my life anyway. Why would I want friends who are that judgmental?

So maybe all you've written is true of most t-girl admirers, but not this one. Not at all.
That would ring a little more true if you had your own pic as your avatar, disclosed even your first name or an email address in your profile, or if your AIM profile, in a different screen name no less, wasn't also empty.


FK

Felicia,
How are you? Hopefully everything is ok with you today.
Recently, I tried to talk to a tgirl & tried to develop a friendship with her before pursuing a relationship. Unfortunately, it did not turn out either way with me. I found out in a not so subtle way that she didn't want to have anything to do with me. This was my first experience ever talking to a tgirl to try to see if a relationship was possible, but I treated her with nothing but respect & did not get the same in return. :(
The next tgirl I meet & if she is really nice, will get the same chance as I would give a genetic girl on pursuing a relationship. I tried to do that with that tgirl, but at least I know in my heart that I tried my best & feel good knowing I gave her nothing but my kindness from my heart. That's the type of guy that I am, showing respect when you meet a tgirl or a genetic girl. I am probably one of the few guys in this forum that would date a tgirl & not be ashamed to take her out in public. If you are compatible with someone, why not give it a chance to develop into something special?
I seem to have a hard time meeting anyone & it's probably due to myself being shy at the first contact. When I do open up, I quickly warm up to that person, but maybe my chance was lost due to my initial contact with her.
Your reply to desolationangel is right on target, as he probably has something to hide & wants what most of the guys are seeking with a company of a tgirl. Not me, I'm just a guy with old-fashioned values on treating a woman with respect. I have nothing to hide & met a few of the forum members at one of Sunny D's parties recently. The ladies I met that night were really nice. Below is my pic & this is my proof that I'm one of the few guys that are bold enough to show my actual pic in this forum & again, I have nothing to hide.
Take care.

http://hometown.aol.com/eaglesces4/myhomepage/mvc-004s.jpg

[Felicia Katt]

Charlie: thanks for reply. Its great that you are so open, but I recognize its not for everyone yet. My only problem with Desolation Angel was that his deeds didn't match his brave words.

If more guys would walk the walk they talk, like you, then this life would lose its secrecy and its stigma. People don't fear things when they become familar with them. But until society is more accepting, people will naturally avoid rejection. Its a catch 22 for now, but hopefully more people will catch up to you, or at least follow in your footprints. :)

FK

[Ted_N_GA]

Guys get real....To the guys that say they never pay for sex, bullshit.

Dating:
You go out on a date to a nice restaurant: $150
Movie with just two cokes (full from dinner) : $50
Coffee/Drinks at a local club afterwards: $100
Cab home, maybe with her: $30
So you dropped $330 and you may or may not get "any"

Wrong Wife:
My second wife was the perfect example.
She was hot to trot when we met, couldn't get enough in the bedroom.
Dated for 3 years before we got married.
As soon as the wedding was over she became frigid.
We had sex maybe 6 times a year for the two years I tried to make the marriage work. When we divorced, I walked out the door and left her everything. It was worth it to move on and be rid of her. She got $30k worth of furniture and furnishings, and I got another $30k in bills plus it cost me $20k to sell the house after she left and trashed it. And no I never cheated on her or got any on the side during our marriage. So of the 12 times we probably had sex in two years, it cost me $60,000. I figure that was $5k a time. Very expensive sex :).


So we pay one way or another...maybe not handing her the cash....but we pay!

"The only free sex is sex with yourself"

[Charlie31]

Charlie: thanks for reply. Its great that you are so open, but I recognize its not for everyone yet. My only problem with Desolation Angel was that his deeds didn't match his brave words.

If more guys would walk the walk they talk, like you, then this life would lose its secrecy and its stigma. People don't fear things when they become familar with them. But until society is more accepting, people will naturally avoid rejection. Its a catch 22 for now, but hopefully more people will catch up to you, or at least follow in your footprints. :)

FK


Felicia,
Good evening & thanks for the reply back to me. It's a shame that society in general isn't more accepting tgirls as of yet, but I personally think it's due to several factors, fear of the unknown & misunderstanding of what a tgirl is all about. If society was educated on acceptance, you will see many more people open up & accept you the way you are. I really do believe that in my heart. I am a man that accepts anyone no matter what because I was taught about accepting people of different cultures, color, religion, & sexual preference. My parents values are instilled in me & I thank them in making me a well rounded person that I am today. This is why outside of this forum I have many friends & acquaintances of many different social circles & also why I am successful in my employment with my diplomacy skills working for a large firm. Once again, thanks for replying & have a good weekend.
Take care.

[nicoleneuman24]

I'll be a tranny cat lady :(

haha

[nevadasmith74]

Just to throw my two cents in. It seems very strange to me that some (note the word some) tgirls are being hostile to guys who will not pay an escort for sex. It would appear to me that there are two types of guys who will not pay for sex.

The first type is someone who views tgirls as nothing more than a sexual object but is too cheap to pay for the cheap thrill of sex with that object.

The second type of guy is one who sees a tgirl as something more than an object but as a person who deserves respect and because of this would not denigrate them by using her body for the hollow mechanical act of getting their rocks off. I am guessing that the second type of guy is far more prevalent than the first.

So why are tgirls ragging on guys who are actually treating them with far more respect than those who use them?

I am in the second camp, never paid for sex never will. I don't see women as some amusement ride there only for my pleasure.

[ossumpeiEIEIO]

I'm sure you get asked to have sex for money, what with the way you look and all, I bet it happens all the time. Truck stops and seedy clubs are filled with your type of men.

You can't help but be jealous of my girlfriend and me. It shows in the way you attack a simple comment I made. We have love, something you wish so badly for but will never have because of your attitude.

I didn't attack whats her name, I just made a simple reply to her post. You took offense because you need the attention, and grasp at even the slightest negative, petty straws of it. She didn't seem to mind, but you jumped at the chance to draw attention to yourself again.

So who decides on your color schemse and hair styles, Barnum or Bailey?

Jealous? please! LOL

If I wanted a guy like you, I might try a truck stop, but I would probably have better luck at a Hometown Buffet.

No thanks!!

I'll stick to Peanuts. For me thats the best nightclub on the west coast full of hot and generous men.

For you its what people mistakenly try to feed you at that circus you are so fond of referencing.

FK

I'm not surprised you get offered sex for money you tacky ho. The garish makeup, cheap wigs and pure white trash attitude makes you a dead give away for a street walker in Tijuana.

And yeah, there's guys who don't have to pay you fucking disease carriers for sex. You are totally disgusting to the vast majority of the public, a public nuisance, and a health threat.

So you'll just have to get used to the fact that many, many people aren't interested, get over it, and and for gods sake lose the delusion that your sexy.

More people find you disgusting than you seem to realize.

[punkox]

Plain and simple... there are three transexuals i'd out myself for: Mariana Cordoba, Jennifer Paris, and Nicole Neuman... that's it... so for me it's about how hot they are... just being honest.


Wow... mention her name and she posts... very cool.

[SugaSweet]

I am an expensive ho.If your name is Vanity,Nefertiti,Priscilla Dandara,Patricia Bismark,or Giselle we may be able to negotiate.

[Felicia Katt]

I'm not surprised you get offered sex for money you tacky ho. The garish makeup, cheap wigs and pure white trash attitude makes you a dead give away for a street walker in Tijuana.

And yeah, there's guys who don't have to pay you fucking disease carriers for sex. You are totally disgusting to the vast majority of the public, a public nuisance, and a health threat.

So you'll just have to get used to the fact that many, many people aren't interested, get over it, and and for gods sake lose the delusion that your sexy.

More people find you disgusting than you seem to realize.
You are such a fat funny troll LOL First you suggest I can't get laid at all, and then you suggest I get laid too often and too easily.

I'm still waiting for someone, anyone, to join you here in your opinions of me, which you have now extended to almost every girl on here. How charming, and how typical of you. You don't get what you don't pay for, and I've seen what you have, and you aren't getting it! You are here window shopping for what you don't have and are too cheap or too cowardly to get. You really should go back to Fiona and your swamp, Shrek, you are nobody's prince but hers.

FK
PS, I'm in perfect health, but thank you for your concern. You do realize that high cholesterol, high blood pressure, and morbid obesity are diseases too, right?

[Charlie31]

Just to throw my two cents in. It seems very strange to me that some (note the word some) tgirls are being hostile to guys who will not pay an escort for sex. It would appear to me that there are two types of guys who will not pay for sex.

The first type is someone who views tgirls as nothing more than a sexual object but is too cheap to pay for the cheap thrill of sex with that object.

The second type of guy is one who sees a tgirl as something more than an object but as a person who deserves respect and because of this would not denigrate them by using her body for the hollow mechanical act of getting their rocks off. I am guessing that the second type of guy is far more prevalent than the first.

So why are tgirls ragging on guys who are actually treating them with far more respect than those who use them?

I am in the second camp, never paid for sex never will. I don't see women as some amusement ride there only for my pleasure.

nevadasmith74,
Excellent reply to this topic! :)
I guess you can say that I'm the guy considered on your point of being the "second type of guy". You & I see the ladies on giving them the respect they deserve. I know we are not cheap guys, but treating the ladies with kindness is the best way to go. Earning their friendship is important because in the long run, they know guys like us are not the creeps the ladies do not like at all. I respect you & the other guys that are just like us.
Take care.

[ossumpeiEIEIO]

I'm not surprised you get offered sex for money you tacky ho. The garish makeup, cheap wigs and pure white trash attitude makes you a dead give away for a street walker in Tijuana.

And yeah, there's guys who don't have to pay you fucking disease carriers for sex. You are totally disgusting to the vast majority of the public, a public nuisance, and a health threat.

So you'll just have to get used to the fact that many, many people aren't interested, get over it, and and for gods sake lose the delusion that your sexy.

More people find you disgusting than you seem to realize.
You are such a fat funny troll LOL First you suggest I can't get laid at all, and then you suggest I get laid too often and too easily.

I'm still waiting for someone, anyone, to join you here in your opinions of me, which you have now extended to almost every girl on here. How charming, and how typical of you. You don't get what you don't pay for, and I've seen what you have, and you aren't getting it! You are here window shopping for what you don't have and are too cheap or too cowardly to get. You really should go back to Fiona and your swamp, Shrek, you are nobody's prince but hers.

FK
PS, I'm in perfect health, but thank you for your concern. You do realize that high cholesterol, high blood pressure, and morbid obesity are diseases too, right?

What I stated is that you look like a cheap whore. The tacky wigs and garish makeup etc, etc. It would be easy for men to offer you money for sex because you look cheap, like some $20 street walker. The pics in your sig prove me more than right.

How dare you include "almost every girl here". Some are quite attractive and seem quite nice. So don't try to drag others down to your gutter level. Not all t girls are nasty skanks like you.


I browse here to look at t girl porn, which is my privelidge as a member. I don't need to window shop.

I have been dating a very attractive pre op for several years. I don't pay for sex. You can't understand that because no one will ever love you. The nastiness in your hears will scare them away, if not that, the hideous looks will.

You can't understand that because sleazy tricks in alleys is the only attention you get.

Hepatitus, hiv, etc are the hallmarks of the sex on the street business, which is why 99% of the public looks down on those who work there, and those who frequent them.

And for the record, I have lost weight since the pic I posted in '03. You keep referring to it since it is on your desktop, and you wish so badly to have me. Thats why you attacked me in this post, and keep trying so hard for my attention. A sure sign of the mentally unstable.

You are a tacky vindictive ho. It shows in your pics, and in what you say.

You need professional help. Try a local church, food shelter, outreach program. Somewhere, anywhere, to get yourself off the street.

[Felicia Katt]

Since its apparent you are really unstable and delusional, and extremely poorly informed as well, I'm going to be the bigger person (which is hard, given your girth) and end this.

I hope you and your lovely girlfriend have the wonderful life you so richly deserve.

FK

[Realgirls4me]

ossumpeiEIEIO,

Not to take sides, and I don't feel that I am by posting this, but Felicia is nothing -- NOTHING -- as you describe her as. She's not even remotely close to a street walker. That is, argue on what you do know about her. She is one of the most intelligent, and health conscience persons I have met via this medium and in real life. If you want to take her, or anyone on this forum, on philosophical grounds as to why you won't pay for sex, that's one thing, but erroneously painting her for something she isn't just because you disagree with her, is akin to claiming the world is flat -- eventually the truth will come back and bite you in the ass. ...This post actually serves two purposes. I am trying to save you from looking stupid down the road once it's revealed she is nothing like your description of her (A lot of posters know her here), and her from being smeared for something she isn't. She's nothing of the sort. Take your differences with her in a different direction as that description of her simply won't fly imo.

(Why did I get involved?) :)

[ossumpeiEIEIO]

She attacked me for no reason.
The intelligence doesn't show here, just the ignorance and garish look.
I have been harassed by this nasty ho in this thread, so I told the fucking ugly motherfucker what I thought.
She is jealous of anyone with a lover, and it shows.
The reality of being so fucking ugly and alone has made her lash out at someone who said nothing to her.

If this person had a shred of class, she would have minded her own fucking business and let the person I posted to answer for herself.

But that didn't happen did it.

[Felicia Katt]

Thanks, Real.

I have said all I will say to him. Anyone who read this thread will know what the truth here is, and anyone who knows me knows what the falsehoods were as well.

Be sure to let me know when you will be up this way again, and I will vindicate your opinion of me and buy you the diet coke this time. :)

FK

[bulldog]

get it out while you can boys and girls, cuz it is only a matter of time before the mods shut it down.

[ossumpeiEIEIO]

Thanks, Real.

I have said all I will say to him. Anyone who read this thread will know what the truth here is, and anyone who knows me knows what the falsehoods were as well.

Be sure to let me know when you will be up this way again, and I will vindicate your opinion of me and buy you the diet coke this time. :)

FK

All I know of you is where you have attacked me on this thread you nasty motherfucker. Thats the truth.

Your so hideously fucking ugly that you need to attract any attention you can get, even negative. Its a shame, but its your life.

And for gods sake, go to a professional and get some help with that look. Buy a quality wig, learn some makeup tips, brush your teeth and lose the attitude.

Maybe someone who's not looking for a quickie in a restroom may talk to you.

[2754tim]

You and your girlfriend must be very,very attractive people.Oh,I forgot,don't call a friend of mine a nasty motherfucker,or I will throw u off that roof

[2754tim]

C,mon you pussy motherfucker,man up or shut your fuckin' mouth.FKatt is a
a very dear friend of friend,you ever talk to her like that again I'll kick your fuckin' ass.She's one of the sweetest,coolest most intelligent woman
on the site. You ever disrepect her like that again I'll punch your lights out.
Fuckin' pussy punk,and BTW she is not an escort or prostitute
Capice?

[ossumpeiEIEIO]

C,mon you pussy motherfucker,man up or shut your fuckin' mouth.FKatt is a
a very dear friend of friend,you ever talk to her like that again I'll kick your fuckin' ass.She's one of the sweetest,coolest most intelligent woman
on the site. You ever disrepect her like that again I'll punch your lights out.
Fuckin' pussy punk,and BTW she is not an escort or prostitute
Capice?

Quite brave from a distance aren't we?

[2754tim]

I put down where i live.Not,"Upper US",you porky piece of shit.Must have some thrilling,"Itoldthemdidn'tIhoney",sex.
Where's Nicole when you need her?

[KiraHarden]

Fuck did my thread turn into a piece of shit.... I want this shit deleted

[KiraHarden]

I know Katt and she's cool... Why dont you create a separate thread and bicker there... Please!!!

[aShemalesboyfriend]

Kira u are absolutely right. I just read the first part and its like it.

Anyhow I have a Ts gf for 1 and a half year now and I Live in a little village.

I don´t care people taliking.

And a lot of these TS lovers are gay and cannot stand to it.......why are a lot beeing turn on by 25cm dicks......c´mon man I do not want a girl have bigger dick than mine and I do not want it in the ass.

[ossumpeiEIEIO]

Fuck did my thread turn into a piece of shit.... I want this shit deleted

You can thank that nasty crack ho for attacking me. I made a simple statement, not directed at the the disgusting hag, and the sideshow freak jumped at the chance to talk shit to me.

You need to go directly to the source and remind the ugly motherfucker that others have a right to post here without her using it as a chance to beg for attention. The hideous skank needs to learn to mind her own fucking business and keep her nasty fucking mouth shut.

And thank her for ruining your thread.

[trish]

I've been dating the same pre-op for over 7 years.

Havn't paid for sex in over 15.

After reading some of your posts, I wouldn't date or pay you anyway.
If she ever saw your pic, you couldn't pay her enough.

FK

Is this the viscious attack to which you refer ossumpeiEIEIO? My GOD!! No wonder you're so upset. She really tore you a new one didn't she? Jesus Christ, it's a fucking miracle you survived. Bad Felicia...Bad kitty. :roll: By the way, after reading your posts,ossumpeiEIEIO, I wouldn't walk on the same side of the street as you.

[TrueBeauty TS]

You can thank that nasty crack ho for attacking me. I made a simple statement, not directed at the the disgusting hag, and the sideshow freak jumped at the chance to talk shit to me.

You need to go directly to the source and remind the ugly motherfucker that others have a right to post here without her using it as a chance to beg for attention. The hideous skank needs to learn to mind her own fucking business and keep her nasty fucking mouth shut.

And thank her for ruining your thread.

Compared with what Felicia said to you, you think you are over reacting juuuuuuuuuuuuuuust a touch? Man... talk about melting down.


Anyway, I love EVERYONE!

:)



.

[ossumpeiEIEIO]

Its the fact that no matter what I post, that nasty ho jumps in and starts shit with me.

It has been that way for a while, 3-5 years.

I can't make a single post without that jealous piece of shit opening her fucking mouth and talking shit to me.

She needs to learn how to keep her fucking mouth shut, and mind her own fucking business.

Since thats not the case, I can't post without her shit, I will remind her of just how fucking ugly and stupid she is without holding back.

[WendyY0143]

Good evening;



Well, the good men are more rare than TS

Been reading here awhile, but this is my first post.

On the shady side of 50, comfortably big of body and in relatively good health: physical, mental and emotional.

I've had a variety of interpersonal feelings, interests and curiosities all of my life, most of which have remained such, and have always been monogamous in my relationships.

I am married to my college sweetheart; together 30 years this February just past. Who knows, it might have been the guy of my dreams instead of her, if things had been a little different.

She has known of my interest in all sorts of adult human human behavior and beauty since the first, including my interest in M2F transgender people.

My Annie is the love of my life and the only one with whom I am intimate, but I do like to look at those who are pleasing to my eye: female, male and transitioning.

I DO NOT know what any of the nonGG women here are feeling, neither the reasons/sensitivities which lead them to transition nor the attitudes/biases expressed towards them. I have no experiential basis to claim such, save what I have read here and elsewhere.

I can only say, thank you for adding to the beauty in this often times too ugly world.

In fond regards to all the lovelies!

Wendall - who sincerely hopes that one and all are at least half as happy as he is with his Annie.

Live life one bite at a time, take joy in beauty, shed tears when needed, keep trying.

[trish]

Its the fact that no matter what I post, that ... jumps in and starts shit with me.

Oh you poor, poor boy. :cry:

[2754tim]

Kira,I apologize for fueling the fire.My reason being that FKatt is a Sweetheart and a Very Beautiful Person.I felt she needed some support.I sincerely offer my apologies to you and I always have her back,and yours,in spite of some past differences between you and I.I let it escalate
and again I'm sorry.
On another note,I've paid for it and I haven't and sometimes had more fun paying for it at times.
All in all,who gives a shit?
Have some fun.
Kira's the only one who knows my true age.My TGirl G/F is 21,a knockout
and a very nice woman.And I'm a hell of a lot older then her.
If I have the $$$ I'll buy her her some jewelery.
That's known as affection.I don't buy my women.The other 2 GGs are 27 and 43.They're not Gold Diggers.They're sweet and attractive.That's the last I have to say on this,and Kira,I am sorry.FKatt,xoxo,Luv,Tim

[Felicia Katt]

Kira, I'm sorry that your thread got derailed. That wasn't my intent, only to try to keep someone's negative comments in check.

Ossumpei, I have posted in response to your attacks on other people twice. 3 years ago, and this time and each time, you over reacted the same way and immediately started with a lot of personal insults and then outright anger and open hostility. You have now continued to insult and assault me, long after I turned the other cheek and stopped.

I'm not going to engage in anything further with you. I don't need to point anything further about the value of your posts, you have illustrated just how well they should be received by all you have said here.

Peace.

FK

[Felicia Katt]

To all those who spoke up for me, thank you. But now, please, just let this thread go back to the real subject, and ignore anything else that is said about me. Thats what I am going to do too.

FK

[Odelay]

Back on topic...

I believe others have made these 2 points earlier but I guess I feel they deserve to be repeated...

1. For the girls seeking someone other than a trick or a trannychaser, well it's not any easier in the strictly hetero world. Some guys are pigs, some girls are cunts. And it's not always easy to spot them until you're knee deep in emotional investment. It's amazing how 47 years of life has gone whizzing by, thinking all the while that I have plenty of time to find a LTR, and then suddenly I realize that not only have I been swimming with sharks the whole time but that I've also exhibited very shark-like tendencies myself.

Anyone who believes they're sweet as honey and the perfect mate for Mr or Ms perfect skin, body, personality, or what have you... is truly delusional. We're all assholes at various times and not too attracitve during those times.

2. Some guys here are saying... guys always pay no matter whether it's with an escort or some expensive date. True, but I would expand it and say that "we" all pay. The girls pay to have those barbie doll looks, clothes, etc. And some guys will claim that they don't like makeup and designer this or designer that. But in the end those "nice" guys end up falling for those glammed up babes.

So Kira... I sympathize. But it's a jungle for all of us out there. I do wish you good fortune no matter who you are with or what kind of career moves that you make.

[dan_drade]

Here's the deal and why I use to escort. I started out transitioning believing that I would meet guys that wanted to take me out, date me and get to know me like any other female. Boy, was I ever living in a fantasy land. All I heard was " You sure are Purty" but someone might see us

I know what you mean. In fact, I used to be just that kind of guy. I think I have changed somewhat, but I am lucky that I have a girl that has been very patient with me and has allowed me to take my time in comming around.



Most guys that say they love transsexual's dont. They just love the dick, and wont admit it. If they loved us they would be proud of having a TS GF. Not saying this is there first time and going to town like its a 7-11 slurpy. Your not fooling this tranny, bub.

I belive that most guys that go out with T-girls do love them. It's just the fear of what others will think about us that keeps us from "comming out" and really being with a T-girl 100%. I was totally in love with the first T-girl that I dated for a long period of time, but I was so freaked out about what others would say, so I kept our relationship "in the closet". Of course she ended up dumping me, and I was totally broken hearted for the longest time. I have been dumped by many GG's, but it never felt as bad as this breakup felt. I do have to admint, that I do love the dick and that is what got me into T-girls in the first place. But after actually taking the time to get to know some girls, I have found that I don't even have the desire to date another GG.


If your afraid to be seen with us in public, and have a secret life. and just want to live out your TS fantasy. You should pay a TS for sex. Dont give me the high and mighty moral crap that its wrong and it's beneath you. Save those lies for your wife and children when they catch you viewing tranny porn

Fortunately for me I am not affraid to be seen in public with my current girlfriend, but there was a time that I would pay a girl for sex because I was too affraid to be seen in public with a T-girl. I got the cock and an empty pocket as well LOL.


If you have the ability to use a TS for your fantasy, and sneak out out on your wife and or cheat. You have the morals of aemoeba, so just hire an escort, As Nike says " Just Do It" Save the bullshit for the pearly gates or gates of hell

You are totally correct about guys that would cheat on their wifes and it is totally to hire an escort of any kind, weather it be a GG a T-girl or even a guy, but I'm sure that is what a lot of men do.


All you guys that have hopes of being with a TS for a fantasy, Its just not going to happen. I'm sorry to break it too you, but we are rare, unique and difficult to find. Im sure you know that.

You are right about this too, and unfortunately there are not enough TS's out there and there should be more. TS's are very rare and unique and if a guy is lucky enough to find a nice girl, he should keep her. I have treid to imagine what it would be like to be without my GF and it is a very difficult thing to think about. So for now, I'm keeping her forever.



I'm sure you'll meet this tranny in heaven with her tranny wings ( Our wing's are pink and small like cupid's) so we can be identified. Just say " Hey I thought you were HAWT. You wanna go doink on a cloud. For free of course. You guys never learn

BTW, I once told my old GF that all TS's were angles and they are just here being tested before they get their wings ;)

[ossumpeiEIEIO]

Kira, I'm sorry that your thread got derailed. That wasn't my intent, only to try to keep someone's negative comments in check.

Ossumpei, I have posted in response to your attacks on other people twice. 3 years ago, and this time and each time, you over reacted the same way and immediately started with a lot of personal insults and then outright anger and open hostility. You have now continued to insult and assault me, long after I turned the other cheek and stopped.

I'm not going to engage in anything further with you. I don't need to point anything further about the value of your posts, you have illustrated just how well they should be received by all you have said here.

Peace.

FK

Good. leave me alone you hideous fucking freak. Now. tomorrow, in three years, etc. I never said a fucking word to you then or now untill you started your shit with me. Mind your own fucking business and learn to keep that ugly fucking trap shut.

[Azanti]

I've met plenty of people who have big dicks of both genders (male and ts) Ive met plenty of people who are just big dicks regardless. I've only met a couple of T/S who aren't complete cunts (I havent met that many)

Lisa Kage was one of them and that was why I loved her. She could have been female and I still would have fallen for her. So nothing else came into it. It was a persona combined with good looks, which is normally why one falls in love, at least that is how it works for me.

So have to take issue with some of your comments on your original posting, but thats just me, that's not to say some of the points you mentioned don't apply to alot of guys, I am sure that they do.

[TsVanessa69]

Aint nobody looking for a TS girlfriend/wifey and I aint paying for shit - I just want a fuck friend. None of that romance shit - just a good thrill and a climax. Get with the times.

And you wanna know what you get out of it? That fact that I chose you to fuck aint good enough?? :roll:Its pathetic bastards like u that make girls like me bitches.
A punk like you would neva fuck me without payin FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TsVanessa69]

I ain't paying for shit. Suck my ass. I luv T-girls, but I don't want to be a husband or u be my wife. Why can't we just be fuck buddies or good friends with benefits? I don't have to pay any girls to have sex, so why should I pay just cause shes a T-girl? I don't walk or parade around town proud with a woman I sleep with,...we do it sneeky and keep it on the low. Thats just how it is. And it always works out better than being "Proud" and showing off the relationship. The women(s) I have slept with and have kept it on low are great friends of mine till this day, and when we feel like getting it on we do just that. Nobody knows except me and that person and we have a great relationship. The girls that I had relations with and walked around with being "Proud" , I have no idea where those girls are today. Those relationships never lasted. So fuck paying, and fuck being proud. Keep it on the low, its the best way to go!! See that why we get our money first! I'll keep it on the low as long as you keep my bank account fat! I was just in my homeland of PR and met a wonderful guy. We went everywhere as a NORMAL couple. He proved that there is hope and assholes like you are not the only option for us. Now guys and dolls, you see my point!

[TsVanessa69]

Aint nobody looking for a TS girlfriend/wifey and I aint paying for shit - I just want a fuck friend. None of that romance shit - just a good thrill and a climax. Get with the times.

And you wanna know what you get out of it? That fact that I chose you to fuck aint good enough?? :roll:

This guy isn't in denial at all, trully knows what he wants.

Im just being honest. Seriously, nobody wants a tranny for a girlfriend or a wifey. In vice versa, thats like me finding a supermodel wife that cooks, cleans and wants to have a family - to find such a person is like finding a diamond deep in the Pacific Ocean. Thats jus a some ol movie script shit. In reality, they know their beauty will sell, so they'll exploit it and get rich and become stuck up.

Most guys already as it is can't ever see themselves settling down and just want some females to "kick it" with and they may even considered one of these chicks to be their main squeeze while they're fuckin around with some other chicks. But with T-girls its different - ain't no guys gonna get into a serious relationship with a chick that was born with a dick - a tranny will NEVER be a guy's main squeeze. Just play the fair exchange game and don't give up any ass or head unless theyre gonna give it up too.Thats why I get the money up front! Fair is fair. U see me as a chick with a dick, and that comes with a fee

[TsVanessa69]

So true sister!!!!!!!!!!!
As a ts who doesn't need to escort, I continue to escort now for that reason.
MEN treating me like a dirty secret.
Men just fucking and leaving.
Men not wanting to be seen in public with me, yet in private tell me how hott I am and how good I look.
Men not caring about anything in my life but the sexual.
Men not seeing me as a woman who has feelings and wants to be loved, or at best cared for, just seeing me as a nice hard cock and the best ass on the planet.
So I continue to escort.
It numbs the feelings factor.
I met nice guys, who I would date at times, and its sad.
Guys who are afraid of what other people think, guys insecure with themselves.
So I charge. Not out of necissity, but as a reminder.
Men will no longer use me. I will get mine first.
As long as you pay me, I will be that secret.
True I spend the money alone. but I enjoy every penny to a point.
I will enjoy all the material things you guys money as long as I can. I will see the world, I will dress in the best, I will do whatever the mood strikes me to do with you guys money. One day I may meet a man who will love me and appreciate me for the woman I am. Until then, my time is money.

How about if you met a guy who you liked and who liked you back.
Who wasn't afraid to be seen with you in public. A guy who held your hand in public, all during movies, at dinner in restaurants. A guy who kissed you goodnite in front of his friends and yours.
A guy who always listened to your problems - not just nodded while watching football, but really listened, sympathized, gave advice and said "poor baby" when your feelings were hurt by anything. A guy who you talked to about business and took you seriously and had meaningful business conversations with. A guy who's advice actually meant something to you and whenever you asked for his help, he was there for you giving it.
A guy who told you you didn't need any of the 100 things you were wanting to do to change your body because he said you looked fine the way you were (and meant it).
A guy who when you went out, sometimes paid for you and you sometimes paid for him - at random. Not taking turns or quid pro quo, just whatever, whenever. A guy who has never paid you anything or paid for "your anything" (boobs, pumping, etc.).
A guy who snuggled with you in bed watching TV.
But a guy who you knew it wasn't all about sex - because you weren't having sex.

What would you say then? What nasty things would you have to say about this guy?
When I find him, I would love and respect him. I am 35 years old, I have been living and struggling in this lifestyle for 14 years. I have loved, taken care of and looked after guys who just used me. The only things I have to show for the hell I live is money, designer clothes and shoes and a cold broken heart. I can't lie and say good men don't exsist. I was in 2 long term loving relationships. So I know it can happen Just rare. Yet I still give a few guys a fair chance. The guy you described, I met him once, and was with him 2 years. But due to his family and their living situation in this country, and such, he had to go. So yes, I know he exsists, and no there would be nothing nasty to say. It is what it is

[Floyd R]

Vanessa's in the House !!!!! Everybody say Hell Yeah!!!!





So true sister!!!!!!!!!!!
As a ts who doesn't need to escort, I continue to escort now for that reason.
MEN treating me like a dirty secret.
Men just fucking and leaving.
Men not wanting to be seen in public with me, yet in private tell me how hott I am and how good I look.
Men not caring about anything in my life but the sexual.
Men not seeing me as a woman who has feelings and wants to be loved, or at best cared for, just seeing me as a nice hard cock and the best ass on the planet.
So I continue to escort.
It numbs the feelings factor.
I met nice guys, who I would date at times, and its sad.
Guys who are afraid of what other people think, guys insecure with themselves.
So I charge. Not out of necissity, but as a reminder.
Men will no longer use me. I will get mine first.
As long as you pay me, I will be that secret.
True I spend the money alone. but I enjoy every penny to a point.
I will enjoy all the material things you guys money as long as I can. I will see the world, I will dress in the best, I will do whatever the mood strikes me to do with you guys money. One day I may meet a man who will love me and appreciate me for the woman I am. Until then, my time is money.

How about if you met a guy who you liked and who liked you back.
Who wasn't afraid to be seen with you in public. A guy who held your hand in public, all during movies, at dinner in restaurants. A guy who kissed you goodnite in front of his friends and yours.
A guy who always listened to your problems - not just nodded while watching football, but really listened, sympathized, gave advice and said "poor baby" when your feelings were hurt by anything. A guy who you talked to about business and took you seriously and had meaningful business conversations with. A guy who's advice actually meant something to you and whenever you asked for his help, he was there for you giving it.
A guy who told you you didn't need any of the 100 things you were wanting to do to change your body because he said you looked fine the way you were (and meant it).
A guy who when you went out, sometimes paid for you and you sometimes paid for him - at random. Not taking turns or quid pro quo, just whatever, whenever. A guy who has never paid you anything or paid for "your anything" (boobs, pumping, etc.).
A guy who snuggled with you in bed watching TV.
But a guy who you knew it wasn't all about sex - because you weren't having sex.

What would you say then? What nasty things would you have to say about this guy?
When I find him, I would love and respect him. I am 35 years old, I have been living and struggling in this lifestyle for 14 years. I have loved, taken care of and looked after guys who just used me. The only things I have to show for the hell I live is money, designer clothes and shoes and a cold broken heart. I can't lie and say good men don't exsist. I was in 2 long term loving relationships. So I know it can happen Just rare. Yet I still give a few guys a fair chance. The guy you described, I met him once, and was with him 2 years. But due to his family and their living situation in this country, and such, he had to go. So yes, I know he exsists, and no there would be nothing nasty to say. It is what it is

[trish]

trannyfaulker said,
I ain't paying for shit. Suck my ass. I luv T-girls, but I don't want to be a husband or u be my wife. Why can't we just be fuck buddies or good friends with benefits?...

So what benefits would the girls get? What girl wants to be fuck-buddy to with a shit with a nasty attitude and a mouth to match? Look if you want a no strings attached, professional relationship, that costs money. If you want a friend or a lover, that will cost you a certain emotional investment and a commitment of time and honest attention.

[TsVanessa69]

trannyfaulker said,
I ain't paying for shit. Suck my ass. I luv T-girls, but I don't want to be a husband or u be my wife. Why can't we just be fuck buddies or good friends with benefits?...

So what benefits would the girls get? What girl wants to be fuck-buddy to with a shit with a nasty attitude and a mouth to match? Look if you want a no strings attached, professional relationship, that costs money. If you want a friend or a lover, that will cost you a certain emotional investment and a commitment of time and honest attention.AMEN! Thas why he jackin off to our pics, cuz he cheap and shitty!

[Kramer]

2 reasons I WONT pay for it:

1- The prices have gotten way too high.

2- The risk of disease is way too high. 8)

[Charlie31]

So true sister!!!!!!!!!!!
As a ts who doesn't need to escort, I continue to escort now for that reason.
MEN treating me like a dirty secret.
Men just fucking and leaving.
Men not wanting to be seen in public with me, yet in private tell me how hott I am and how good I look.
Men not caring about anything in my life but the sexual.
Men not seeing me as a woman who has feelings and wants to be loved, or at best cared for, just seeing me as a nice hard cock and the best ass on the planet.
So I continue to escort.
It numbs the feelings factor.
I met nice guys, who I would date at times, and its sad.
Guys who are afraid of what other people think, guys insecure with themselves.
So I charge. Not out of necissity, but as a reminder.
Men will no longer use me. I will get mine first.
As long as you pay me, I will be that secret.
True I spend the money alone. but I enjoy every penny to a point.
I will enjoy all the material things you guys money as long as I can. I will see the world, I will dress in the best, I will do whatever the mood strikes me to do with you guys money. One day I may meet a man who will love me and appreciate me for the woman I am. Until then, my time is money.

How about if you met a guy who you liked and who liked you back.
Who wasn't afraid to be seen with you in public. A guy who held your hand in public, all during movies, at dinner in restaurants. A guy who kissed you goodnite in front of his friends and yours.
A guy who always listened to your problems - not just nodded while watching football, but really listened, sympathized, gave advice and said "poor baby" when your feelings were hurt by anything. A guy who you talked to about business and took you seriously and had meaningful business conversations with. A guy who's advice actually meant something to you and whenever you asked for his help, he was there for you giving it.
A guy who told you you didn't need any of the 100 things you were wanting to do to change your body because he said you looked fine the way you were (and meant it).
A guy who when you went out, sometimes paid for you and you sometimes paid for him - at random. Not taking turns or quid pro quo, just whatever, whenever. A guy who has never paid you anything or paid for "your anything" (boobs, pumping, etc.).
A guy who snuggled with you in bed watching TV.
But a guy who you knew it wasn't all about sex - because you weren't having sex.

What would you say then? What nasty things would you have to say about this guy?
When I find him, I would love and respect him. I am 35 years old, I have been living and struggling in this lifestyle for 14 years. I have loved, taken care of and looked after guys who just used me. The only things I have to show for the hell I live is money, designer clothes and shoes and a cold broken heart. I can't lie and say good men don't exsist. I was in 2 long term loving relationships. So I know it can happen Just rare. Yet I still give a few guys a fair chance. The guy you described, I met him once, and was with him 2 years. But due to his family and their living situation in this country, and such, he had to go. So yes, I know he exsists, and no there would be nothing nasty to say. It is what it is

TsVanessa69,
First off good evening.
There are a few guys in this forum, like myself would give a tgirl the same chance as a genetic girl, if they would give us a chance to prove it. The guys who posted that they won't pay, or just use the tgirls as sex objects, makes you & the other tgirls feel bitter. I can understand why you feel the way you do. I feel bad that you feel this way, but there is always someone out there for somebody. I really believe that. See my quotes below that I wrote to Felicia recently on this topic a few pages back & you will get an understanding about me & how I feel about tgirls in general. I am a guy that wants to develop a relationship with a tgirl or genetic girl, but my shyness makes me lose out. I want to say so much when I meet her, but the words never come out the way I want them to.
Like I said, there are many great guys here in this forum like myself, are willing to date a tgirl & are not afraid to take them out in public. We want to shower love & respect to our woman, take them to a nice quiet dinner, give them gifts to show our affection to say that "I care", & telling her you love her. I'm a hopeless romantic, you can say. :)
I wanted to express this in my reply to you because I want to be completely honest. Yes, Charlie is my real name too.... :)
Take care.




Just for the record: I'm 25, single, a college graduate, employed full-time, and I live about 30 minutes from NYC.

If any transsexual girl out there wants a real boyfriend, here I am.

I don't need to hide anything from anyone. If people have a problem with my sexuality, then I don't want those people in my life anyway. Why would I want friends who are that judgmental?

So maybe all you've written is true of most t-girl admirers, but not this one. Not at all.
That would ring a little more true if you had your own pic as your avatar, disclosed even your first name or an email address in your profile, or if your AIM profile, in a different screen name no less, wasn't also empty.


FK

Felicia,
How are you? Hopefully everything is ok with you today.
Recently, I tried to talk to a tgirl & tried to develop a friendship with her before pursuing a relationship. Unfortunately, it did not turn out either way with me. I found out in a not so subtle way that she didn't want to have anything to do with me. This was my first experience ever talking to a tgirl to try to see if a relationship was possible, but I treated her with nothing but respect & did not get the same in return. :(
The next tgirl I meet & if she is really nice, will get the same chance as I would give a genetic girl on pursuing a relationship. I tried to do that with that tgirl, but at least I know in my heart that I tried my best & feel good knowing I gave her nothing but my kindness from my heart. That's the type of guy that I am, showing respect when you meet a tgirl or a genetic girl. I am probably one of the few guys in this forum that would date a tgirl & not be ashamed to take her out in public. If you are compatible with someone, why not give it a chance to develop into something special?
I seem to have a hard time meeting anyone & it's probably due to myself being shy at the first contact. When I do open up, I quickly warm up to that person, but maybe my chance was lost due to my initial contact with her.
Your reply to desolationangel is right on target, as he probably has something to hide & wants what most of the guys are seeking with a company of a tgirl. Not me, I'm just a guy with old-fashioned values on treating a woman with respect. I have nothing to hide & met a few of the forum members at one of Sunny D's parties recently. The ladies I met that night were really nice. Below is my pic & this is my proof that I'm one of the few guys that are bold enough to show my actual pic in this forum & again, I have nothing to hide.
Take care.

http://hometown.aol.com/eaglesces4/myhomepage/mvc-004s.jpg



Charlie: thanks for reply. Its great that you are so open, but I recognize its not for everyone yet. My only problem with Desolation Angel was that his deeds didn't match his brave words.

If more guys would walk the walk they talk, like you, then this life would lose its secrecy and its stigma. People don't fear things when they become familar with them. But until society is more accepting, people will naturally avoid rejection. Its a catch 22 for now, but hopefully more people will catch up to you, or at least follow in your footprints. :)

FK


Felicia,
Good evening & thanks for the reply back to me. It's a shame that society in general isn't more accepting tgirls as of yet, but I personally think it's due to several factors, fear of the unknown & misunderstanding of what a tgirl is all about. If society was educated on acceptance, you will see many more people open up & accept you the way you are. I really do believe that in my heart. I am a man that accepts anyone no matter what because I was taught about accepting people of different cultures, color, religion, & sexual preference. My parents values are instilled in me & I thank them in making me a well rounded person that I am today. This is why outside of this forum I have many friends & acquaintances of many different social circles & also why I am successful in my employment with my diplomacy skills working for a large firm. Once again, thanks for replying & have a good weekend.
Take care.

[TsVanessa69]

Good to know guys like yo and my friend Omar in Puerto Rico exsist, because they are so rare you can count them on 1 hand. Thanks for speakin out

[Charlie31]

TsVanessa69,
You're welcome & glad I was able to share my feelings about the way I feel about women. Unfortunately, it seems that with myself being nice, it turns off a few women. I cannot understand that, but at least I know in my heart that I treated them with respect & can go to sleep at night knowing I feel the way I do. Hope that you & Omar work out.
He is a lucky guy to have someone as nice as you.
How I know, I read many of your posts here & you come across as someone who is sincere.
Stay the way you are, you will meet the guy you want. I hope that Omar will be that guy for you. Age is not a concern, if he treats you the way you should be treated, then you are lucky to have someone that will get you love & respect that all women want.
I wish nothing but the best for you.
Take care.

[ilove2swallow]

Fuck that, if i can cheat with a girl for free, ima cheat with a tranny for free!!!!!

[tstv_lover]

trannyfaulker said,
I ain't paying for shit. Suck my ass. I luv T-girls, but I don't want to be a husband or u be my wife. Why can't we just be fuck buddies or good friends with benefits?...

So what benefits would the girls get? What girl wants to be fuck-buddy to with a shit with a nasty attitude and a mouth to match? Look if you want a no strings attached, professional relationship, that costs money. If you want a friend or a lover, that will cost you a certain emotional investment and a commitment of time and honest attention.

Gotta agree with Trish. No strings rutting costs money, more substantial relationship based costs time, effort and true commitment. I certainly know which I prefer.

[keerto]

I'm never going to pay just for sex. Being with a TS is one my fantasies and if that doent's happen without money then it wont.

[needsum]

Maybe allyou girls with men issues should move to the Jersey Shore, maybe theres something in the water.
[/size]

Yes, Yes, move to the Jersey shore . . . come to me . . . lol

[trish]

If you gettin payed for it then I should too.

Yeah, but the question is, “Who’s willing to pay for your sexual attentions?” I’m not. Your fellow males, if not you, who are willing to pay for sex have created a market. Since there are very very few girls who are willing to pay for sex, it’s a suppliers market.


You gettin and giving dick just like me.


Where’s the profit in that? You’re just talkin’ communism, pure and simple.
:)

If you’re a man, no strings sex will generally cost you money. If you found a fuck buddy who’s only interested in sex, more power to you. However, I’m guessing that most fuck-buddy relationships are unstable and will either evolve into something more, or else disintegrate because one of the parties will eventually want more.

[Shining Star]

If you gettin payed for it then I should too.

Yeah, but the question is, “Who’s willing to pay for your sexual attentions?” I’m not. Your fellow males, if not you, who are willing to pay for sex have created a market. Since there are very very few girls who are willing to pay for sex, it’s a suppliers market.


You gettin and giving dick just like me.


Where’s the profit in that? You’re just talkin’ communism, pure and simple.
:)

If you’re a man, no strings sex will generally cost you money. If you found a fuck buddy who’s only interested in sex, more power to you. However, I’m guessing that most fuck-buddy relationships are unstable and will either evolve into something more, or else disintegrate because one of the parties will eventually want more.Tranie and other girls not willing to pay? Oh I don't know about that.

It is common knowledge that TS and even GG girls on the game will give discounts and or even go for free to men they find attractive. In pure accounting terms, since one earns one's whole or entire living from prossing, by discounting and or giving away a service, you are "paying" in that a credit is extended without a debit to balance.

Now before there is much gashing of teeth and cries of outrage, girls know that it is true, and the guys know it is true that if the latter is the right "type", he can gain all sorts of advantages over say someone the girl does not fancy.

Guys call up girls all the time asking for discounts and such from the stated rates. Even in clubs or parties where a girl tells one guy her price is "X", if a young hot, bodybuilding, white, or whatever floats her boat type steps up, there is a good chance she will go for free or at least a discount, which includes by the way not watching the clock.

Now girls will counter, 'oh well that is my choice...." but that arguement simply reinforces what the above poster states: sex is for mutual gratification, and if one should get paid so should the other.


"Where is the profit in that?"

Indeed, but then again if one were working for a service or pimp, the rate would be the rate weather the man was Godzilla or Usher, or whatever hot stud floats one's boat.

[Tomfurbs]

Does anyone really give a fuck about this?

[trish]

It is common knowledge that TS and even GG girls on the game will give discounts and or even go for free to men they find attractive.

True enough, but it would've been even more accurate had you said, "... girls on OCCASION will give discounts and or even go for free to men they find attractive." Hence your observation is really no threat to the market explanation of what's going on here. Yeah, sometimes a guy's got what a girl is wanting. But not every discount is given for that reason alone. The hour, the selection of other prospective customers and a slew of other factors could be in play. I'm surprised at how many men here are against the profit principle when it comes to sex but claim to despise communism in other contexts. :)

[nylonleglover]

Kira,
Your comments are very accurate. However there are a few of us out here who know who we are and accept who we are. I must admit I have had only a handful of relationships with some very attractive TS ladies. More often then not I wanted to take the relationship further but do to the work that they were in "Porn" it did not happen for what ever the reason.

Some other guys spend the time sneaking around and trying to fool themselves about wanting to be with another guy. A few may even become violent after their first experience with a TS after realizing what they have done. This does absolutely nothing for the rest of us out here who adore TS ladies and would like to spend time with them before and after jumping each others bones. As hard as it is to find a lady like this then spend a little time trying to figure out if there are similar likes and dislikes.

The hardest problem I have ever had is finding areas where TS like to be as attraction takes care of itself. Some TS are so sexy it is hard to realize they could even be considered a TS. But when it comes down to it and a opportunity presents itself with every thing working out, then turn them on as much as possible. After that everything else will take care of itself.

[BeardedOne]

I'm never going to pay just for sex. Being with a TS is one my fantasies and if that doent's happen without money then it wont.

More power to you, friend. It's not impossible, as I've met several Ts in earlier years (And one IS) and gained valuable friendships from them. Not all turned into intimate relationships/flings though, but that is the luck of the draw in any relationship.

As is often said, there are deeper issues than 'just sex' in a lot of these encounters. (Oh, and before you gurls all jump on the bandwagon of 'I'll only charge you $150 an hour to just chat and have dinner', it's not =that= simple). Some of us pay-to-play with no more reason than to get through an intimate encounter without getting repeatedly shot through the heart. Does the event fulfill a fantasy? Of course. Do we get our nut popped? You betcha! Is paying for sex the only way we can get laid? Relative.

The we-pay/no-pay battle of wits will wage on forever and a day with each side taking the moral high ground at every opportunity. It's an argument that has no true 'right side' and never will.

[AngelinaTS]

KiraHarden_TS i agree with u !
It's hard to find a man, sometimes i think that i'm just a fantasy, Angelina never had a bf yet, i wanna be in love lol

[ezed]

Trish,
I am always amazed at your eloquence, and control you exhibit when addressing comments posted on various boards. ie ... WOW!

I wish I could do that! :claps