99% of ts's are hookers, NO! but 1 in 4 TS escorts HIV+

[blacktgirls]

while 99% of shemales are hookers is a thread made to anger the girls with a ridiculously high percentage and a derogatory name at least 1 in 4 ...!!!! ......ts escorts is HIV positive. this scares the shit out of me !...... the highest rate of HIV is in the mtf trangender community. i am attracted to ts girls and i paid an escort to let me give her a bareback blowjob. i would like to see another escort in the future but with all the recent dicussion on HA about girls here saying they know girls who are HIV + and still working and with the studies i looked up about HIV in the ts cummunity i am now reluctant. i feel if a girl is HIV positive she should not be escorting! i know this is never going to be the case but i would like to know what are everyones thoughts on this topic.

[peggygee]

while 99% of shemales are hookers is a thread made to anger the girls with a ridiculously high percentage and a derogatory name at least

1 in 4 ...!!!! ......ts escorts is HIV positive. this scares the shit out of me !...... the highest rate of HIV is in the mtf trangender community. i am attracted to ts girls and i paid an escort to let me give her a bareback blowjob. i would like to see another escort in the future but with all the recent dicussion on HA about girls here saying they know girls who are HIV + and still working and with the studies i looked up about HIV in the ts cummunity i am now reluctant. i feel if a girl is HIV positive she should not be escorting! i know this is never going to be the case but i would like to know what are everyones thoughts on this topic.

Yeah saying 99% of shemales are escorts did get my Irish up. :evil:

I agree that a HIV+ girl shouldn't be escorting, but the harsh reality is that
she may feel that is the only way that she can earn a living.

But I would like to ask you and others, should a man who is HIV+ or has
other transmittable STDs utilize escorts?

[Shining Star]

There is a long list of sexually transmitted diseases one can catch from intimate contact with another person. Syphilis,gonorrhea and others may not be as life threatening as AIDs, but can be serious and even lead to death. However make no mistake there are women and men out there infected with these diseases who do not tell casual sexual partners, or even LTR (who discover their illness and it's source to their shock and dismay).

So the larger question is if anyone infected with any sort of illness go around spreading it to others.

As for seeing escorts, well profession has been a source of STD since the year dot. Only way to protect one's self, is to assume all are infected and behave accordingly. Even in places that regulate prossing and have mandatory health checks, there is no promise.

AIDs spreads rapidly via sexual behaviour, and some forms are more risky than others. When the AIDs crisis first hit the gay community, many trannie escorts started using condoms, but today as with the younger gay community, young trannies today do not know the ravages AIDS caused back in the day. There is also the idea that the new drugs have turned AIDS into a curable if not managable disease.

Finally if escorting is the only way anyone is making a living, they aren't going to go around telling people they have AIDS. Indeed most do not wish to even know.

Should also point out that AIDS infections are rising in many minority communities, especially blks and latinos. Much of this is out of ignorance, fear and those macho latin men and brothers having gay sex on the down low. To go for an AIDs test would be admitting that one engaged in gay sex, at least that is how many see things. Even when such men have jobs with good health care (state, federal or local government jobs), they do not want it on their record they had a AIDs test, and certianly don't want word getting out, for fear of being labeled a punk.

Sad thing is many of these men are infecting their wives and girlfriends, many of whom do not find out until they have a baby, when most state laws mandate AIDS testing for newborns.

[antiasskisser]

while 99% of shemales are hookers is a thread made to anger the girls with a ridiculously high percentage and a derogatory name at least 1 in 4 ...!!!! ......ts escorts is HIV positive. this scares the shit out of me !...... the highest rate of HIV is in the mtf trangender community. i am attracted to ts girls and i paid an escort to let me give her a bareback blowjob. i would like to see another escort in the future but with all the recent dicussion on HA about girls here saying they know girls who are HIV + and still working and with the studies i looked up about HIV in the ts cummunity i am now reluctant. i feel if a girl is HIV positive she should not be escorting! i know this is never going to be the case but i would like to know what are everyones thoughts on this topic.Dude, do us and yourself a favor. STOP SEEING ESCORTS. Real simple. I'm sick of the paranoia you spew.

[Chuck]

while 99% of shemales are hookers is a thread made to anger the girls with a ridiculously high percentage and a derogatory name at least 1 in 4 ...!!!! ......ts escorts is HIV positive. this scares the shit out of me !...... the highest rate of HIV is in the mtf trangender community. i am attracted to ts girls and i paid an escort to let me give her a bareback blowjob. i would like to see another escort in the future but with all the recent dicussion on HA about girls here saying they know girls who are HIV + and still working and with the studies i looked up about HIV in the ts cummunity i am now reluctant. i feel if a girl is HIV positive she should not be escorting! i know this is never going to be the case but i would like to know what are everyones thoughts on this topic.

Clearly, you're not all that worried if you still give bareback blowjobs.
The point you make may or may not be valid. I refuse to debate it in light of the fact that you......well....sound like such an asshole. Don't do anything bareback with an escort DUMBASS!!!! And if you do, don't come on here crying the blues. Only you can keep yourself alive and well. In case you didn't know, escorting / prostitution is an illegal unregulated industry outside of Nevada. So buyer beware and if you lose, please don't complain about it.

If you really have a thing for TS girls, step your game up and stop being a client. Be a real friend / boyfriend and maybe you'll meet the perfect one for you.

[blacktgirls]

while 99% of shemales are hookers is a thread made to anger the girls with a ridiculously high percentage and a derogatory name at least

1 in 4 ...!!!! ......ts escorts is HIV positive. this scares the shit out of me !...... the highest rate of HIV is in the mtf trangender community. i am attracted to ts girls and i paid an escort to let me give her a bareback blowjob. i would like to see another escort in the future but with all the recent dicussion on HA about girls here saying they know girls who are HIV + and still working and with the studies i looked up about HIV in the ts cummunity i am now reluctant. i feel if a girl is HIV positive she should not be escorting! i know this is never going to be the case but i would like to know what are everyones thoughts on this topic.

Yeah saying 99% of shemales are escorts did get my Irish up. :evil:

I agree that a HIV+ girl shouldn't be escorting, but the harsh reality is that
she may feel that is the only way that she can earn a living.

But I would like to ask you and others, should a man who is HIV+ or has
other transmittable STDs utilize escorts? no! i don't think men with HIV or hepatitis should see escorts period! ... if you have other stds there are medicines to clear that up and should be done so before having sex with anyone. i think condoms should be used 100% of the time if you have anal sex and if you have the herps then also wear a condom 100% of the time during sexual contact. i would follow these rules in life and i would hope an escort would do the same.

[Chaotic]

while 99% of shemales are hookers is a thread made to anger the girls with a ridiculously high percentage and a derogatory name at least 1 in 4 ...!!!! ......ts escorts is HIV positive. this scares the shit out of me !...... the highest rate of HIV is in the mtf trangender community. i am attracted to ts girls and i paid an escort to let me give her a bareback blowjob. i would like to see another escort in the future but with all the recent dicussion on HA about girls here saying they know girls who are HIV + and still working and with the studies i looked up about HIV in the ts cummunity i am now reluctant. i feel if a girl is HIV positive she should not be escorting! i know this is never going to be the case but i would like to know what are everyones thoughts on this topic.

Sources for your "statistics", please?

[Gmanfromthechi]

Things like this make me believe trannys are the forbidden fruit. They are practicially goddesses to most of us men, and if I had my choice Id never sleep with another gg again if I could have my tgirl to myself, but threads like these make me never wanna do it again. Such a high risk and gamble.... :-(

[LibertyHarkness]

so what about the guys and girls that go out socially on a weekend, dance, getting drunk pick up a chick/guy have some kissing, oral fun, sex etc....and you bet your life as well they are not always protectiing themselves..

Kissing - can spread herpes ??? well think about how many people you may kiss over a year....

BLowjob/licking pussy - well can be a catalyst for many sti, good job the mouth bacteria is fairly strong, though there are few nasty things that can slip through...But again how many men when out socially let a girl/boy give them head unprotected....herpes anyone....

Hands - ever bothered to look at peoples hands for warts etc, again some of these can be immensley spreadable via contact....

My point being is that you can contract nasty ailments just as easily outside of escorts....and the mentality of people is that well if its on a social enviroemnt it wont happen to me....a proffessional escort will take his/her hygene extremely seriously...a drunk social twat out on the pull probably wont...

As for the figure 1-4 escorts, so your saying globally 25% of escorts/proz are all contaminated, where are the factualy figures to back this up....

Different countries/regions have dfferent degrees of infection ratios....so to state 25% are infected is a tad strong imo. what is the ratio of infected non sex workers...bet that would be a shocking figure.

To the last poster that said "Such a High Risk and Gamble" that can be said about any form of sexual play....I have spoken to friends that are at university and the disregard for health at some of the uni parties is unbelievable multiple partners in one night etc, unprotected, booze fuelled parties......

Safe to say yes there is a risk with escorts, but then the escort has a risk with clients its not all one way...Some escorts will go out of their way to maintain hygene standards and minimise risk, then unfortunately there are those that are not bothered, these could be street walkers, ones that act under pimps etc.

Just my 2pence...

[NYCe]

Dude, do us and yourself a favor. STOP SEEING ESCORTS. Real simple. I'm sick of the paranoia you spew.


Basically.

[bh_boyy2]

while 99% of shemales are hookers is a thread made to anger the girls with a ridiculously high percentage and a derogatory name at least 1 in 4 ...!!!! ......ts escorts is HIV positive. this scares the shit out of me !...... the highest rate of HIV is in the mtf trangender community. i am attracted to ts girls and i paid an escort to let me give her a bareback blowjob. i would like to see another escort in the future but with all the recent dicussion on HA about girls here saying they know girls who are HIV + and still working and with the studies i looked up about HIV in the ts cummunity i am now reluctant. i feel if a girl is HIV positive she should not be escorting! i know this is never going to be the case but i would like to know what are everyones thoughts on this topic.

Sources for your "statistics", please?

Take a look at the abstracts below. I'll download and post the full articles later. There are also studies conducted in Sao Paulo - Brazil with transsexual sex-workers. I'll also post them.


1: AIDS Care. 1998 Aug;10(4):473-80.

HIV infection among foreign people involved in HIV-related risk activities and
attending an HIV reference centre in Rome: the possible role of counselling in
reducing risk behaviour.

Spizzichino L, Casella P, Zaccarelli M, Rezza G, Venezia S, Gattari P.

Drug Treatment Centre RM/E, Santo Spirito Hospital, Rome, Italy.

Between September 1993 and December 1995, 528 foreign individuals at risk of HIV
infection attended the drug treatment centre located in the Santo Spirito
Hospital in Rome, undergoing medical examination, HIV testing and counselling.
The geographic distribution showed that the majority of the participants were
from South America (40.0%), most of whom were transsexual sex workers (from
Brazil or Columbia), and from North Africa (37.5%); all the individuals coming
from Western and Eastern Europe and the USA were heroin users. The overall HIV
prevalence was high (21.6%), though it varied by nationality, ranging from 5.1%
among North Africans to 68.3% among Brazilian transsexuals. During the study
period, 170 of the individuals returned for at least one follow-up visit. Three
seroconversions occurred among the 118 initially HIV-negative immigrants who were
retested, all three among the 26 HIV-negative Columbian transsexuals; the
seroconversion rate within this group was 10.1 per 100 persons/years. During
follow-up, there was no reduction observed in drug-related practices associated
with HIV infection, yet a general increase in regular condom use was reported.
The increasing number of foreign persons contacting our programme emphasizes the
need for easy access to care and treatment for marginalized populations possibly
engaging in behaviour at risk for HIV infection. Counselling strategies seem to
be relatively effective in promoting safer sex among these population groups.


PMID: 9828967 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


Another:

1: Sex Transm Dis. 2001 Jul;28(7):405-11.

HIV infection among foreign transsexual sex workers in Rome: prevalence, behavior
patterns, and seroconversion rates.

Spizzichino L, Zaccarelli M, Rezza G, Ippolito G, Antinori A, Gattari P.

Unità Operativa AIDS, Azienda Sanitaria Locale Roma E (ASL-RME), Rome, Italy.
lspizzi@bigfoot.com

BACKGROUND: The Azienda Sanitaria Locale Roma E (ASL-RME) outpatient clinic is
the main reference center in Rome for HIV testing of foreign people. GOAL: To
define the prevalence and incidence of HIV infection among foreign transsexual
sex workers attending the center. STUDY DESIGN: A cross-sectional, follow-up
study was conducted. RESULTS: Between 1993 and 1999, 353 transsexuals attended
the ASL-RME. They were from Colombia (n = 208), Brazil (n = 122), and other
countries (n = 23). Most of these transsexuals reported having 5 to 10 partners
per day. The overall HIV prevalence was 38.2%, which multivariate analysis found
to be associated with origin from Brazil and a higher number of sex partners. The
observed HIV seroconversion rate was 4.1 per 100 person-years, and non-regular
condom use was the only factor related to seroconversion. CONCLUSIONS: The data
from this study suggest that promotion of safer sex practices and regular condom
use still is the main priority among marginalized population subgroups, such as
foreign prostitutes, involved in sex activities that put them at risk for HIV
infection.


PMID: 11460025 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Below are the links to pubmed:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11460025?ordinalpos=2&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9828967?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA

[bh_boyy2]

1/4 is probably a conservative estimate.
The message is clear: if you are going to Brazil or Europe to have sex with tgirls, don't even think of barebacking.
Let's take a 1/3 infection (in Brazil) rate as a reliable value. If you choose to date a tgirl escort at random, there's approx. a 33% chance you're having sex with someone HIV+. If you do that 4 times:

(2/3)*(2/3)*(2/3)*(2/3)=0,197=19,7%

2/3 would be the chance of dating a HIV- escort. 19,7% is the probability of dating only HIV- escorts after 4 random encounters, or said otherwise, one would have a chance of 80,3% of dating at least 1 HIV+ escort after 4 encounters.

These are rudimentary probability calculations, but nevertheless roughly correct as long as one assume the infection rate numbers as reliable.

[Gmanfromthechi]

Wow, you sure broke it down there boyy. Scary shit

[Chaotic]

Wow, you sure broke it down there boyy. Scary shit

Indeed! :shock:

[TsVanessa69]

while 99% of shemales are hookers is a thread made to anger the girls with a ridiculously high percentage and a derogatory name at least 1 in 4 ...!!!! ......ts escorts is HIV positive. this scares the shit out of me !...... the highest rate of HIV is in the mtf trangender community. i am attracted to ts girls and i paid an escort to let me give her a bareback blowjob. i would like to see another escort in the future but with all the recent dicussion on HA about girls here saying they know girls who are HIV + and still working and with the studies i looked up about HIV in the ts cummunity i am now reluctant. i feel if a girl is HIV positive she should not be escorting! i know this is never going to be the case but i would like to know what are everyones thoughts on this topic.

Sources for your "statistics", please?
I was going to ask the same thing.
I know his 1 in 4 is wrong, because myself and 4 girlfriends who are negative, made 5 negative girls, thus shoting down the 1 in 4 theroy. Obviously there are more negative girls than that, but just from the whole post by Yasmin some of us were discussing it amongs ourselves. HIV is more rampant amoung straight youth more than the tg community as we know to protect ourselves and the straight people think it only effects us. I hate when clients tell me its ok not to use a condom because, they ONLY see females. LIESS!! Vagina's spread disease!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get real people!

[TsVanessa69]

1/4 is probably a conservative estimate.
The message is clear: if you are going to Brazil or Europe to have sex with tgirls, don't even think of barebacking.
Let's take a 1/3 infection (in Brazil) rate as a reliable value. If you choose to date a tgirl escort at random, there's approx. a 33% chance you're having sex with someone HIV+. If you do that 4 times:

(2/3)*(2/3)*(2/3)*(2/3)=0,197=19,7%

2/3 would be the chance of dating a HIV- escort. 19,7% is the probability of dating only HIV- escorts after 4 random encounters, or said otherwise, one would have a chance of 80,3% of dating at least 1 HIV+ escort after 4 encounters.

These are rudimentary probability calculations, but nevertheless roughly correct as long as one assume the infection rate numbers as reliable.
We are not in Brazil though.
This is the US.

[TsVanessa69]

while 99% of shemales are hookers is a thread made to anger the girls with a ridiculously high percentage and a derogatory name at least 1 in 4 ...!!!! ......ts escorts is HIV positive. this scares the shit out of me !...... the highest rate of HIV is in the mtf trangender community. i am attracted to ts girls and i paid an escort to let me give her a bareback blowjob. i would like to see another escort in the future but with all the recent dicussion on HA about girls here saying they know girls who are HIV + and still working and with the studies i looked up about HIV in the ts cummunity i am now reluctant. i feel if a girl is HIV positive she should not be escorting! i know this is never going to be the case but i would like to know what are everyones thoughts on this topic.

Sources for your "statistics", please?

Take a look at the abstracts below. I'll download and post the full articles later. There are also studies conducted in Sao Paulo - Brazil with transsexual sex-workers. I'll also post them.


1: AIDS Care. 1998 Aug;10(4):473-80.

HIV infection among foreign people involved in HIV-related risk activities and
attending an HIV reference centre in Rome: the possible role of counselling in
reducing risk behaviour.

Spizzichino L, Casella P, Zaccarelli M, Rezza G, Venezia S, Gattari P.

Drug Treatment Centre RM/E, Santo Spirito Hospital, Rome, Italy.

Between September 1993 and December 1995, 528 foreign individuals at risk of HIV
infection attended the drug treatment centre located in the Santo Spirito
Hospital in Rome, undergoing medical examination, HIV testing and counselling.
The geographic distribution showed that the majority of the participants were
from South America (40.0%), most of whom were transsexual sex workers (from
Brazil or Columbia), and from North Africa (37.5%); all the individuals coming
from Western and Eastern Europe and the USA were heroin users. The overall HIV
prevalence was high (21.6%), though it varied by nationality, ranging from 5.1%
among North Africans to 68.3% among Brazilian transsexuals. During the study
period, 170 of the individuals returned for at least one follow-up visit. Three
seroconversions occurred among the 118 initially HIV-negative immigrants who were
retested, all three among the 26 HIV-negative Columbian transsexuals; the
seroconversion rate within this group was 10.1 per 100 persons/years. During
follow-up, there was no reduction observed in drug-related practices associated
with HIV infection, yet a general increase in regular condom use was reported.
The increasing number of foreign persons contacting our programme emphasizes the
need for easy access to care and treatment for marginalized populations possibly
engaging in behaviour at risk for HIV infection. Counselling strategies seem to
be relatively effective in promoting safer sex among these population groups.


PMID: 9828967 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


Another:

1: Sex Transm Dis. 2001 Jul;28(7):405-11.

HIV infection among foreign transsexual sex workers in Rome: prevalence, behavior
patterns, and seroconversion rates.

Spizzichino L, Zaccarelli M, Rezza G, Ippolito G, Antinori A, Gattari P.

Unità Operativa AIDS, Azienda Sanitaria Locale Roma E (ASL-RME), Rome, Italy.
lspizzi@bigfoot.com

BACKGROUND: The Azienda Sanitaria Locale Roma E (ASL-RME) outpatient clinic is
the main reference center in Rome for HIV testing of foreign people. GOAL: To
define the prevalence and incidence of HIV infection among foreign transsexual
sex workers attending the center. STUDY DESIGN: A cross-sectional, follow-up
study was conducted. RESULTS: Between 1993 and 1999, 353 transsexuals attended
the ASL-RME. They were from Colombia (n = 208), Brazil (n = 122), and other
countries (n = 23). Most of these transsexuals reported having 5 to 10 partners
per day. The overall HIV prevalence was 38.2%, which multivariate analysis found
to be associated with origin from Brazil and a higher number of sex partners. The
observed HIV seroconversion rate was 4.1 per 100 person-years, and non-regular
condom use was the only factor related to seroconversion. CONCLUSIONS: The data
from this study suggest that promotion of safer sex practices and regular condom
use still is the main priority among marginalized population subgroups, such as
foreign prostitutes, involved in sex activities that put them at risk for HIV
infection.


PMID: 11460025 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Below are the links to pubmed:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11460025?ordinalpos=2&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9828967?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA
Where are statictics for the United States?
This is America not Brazil. We all reqalize the HIV rate is much higher in Brazil, but why cause panic and post the worst case senerio on her to make us look bad. How many girls on HA are from Brazil? How many guys on HA go to Brazil and use escorts? How dare you try to make us look bad by posting statistics that have NOTHING to do with TS in say NYC, or Chicago.

[TsVanessa69]

As an escort and a ts I must say shame on the person who started this post for being so IGNORANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
It makes me sick how you guys who have never met a ts, never dated a ts dare to post this bullshit!!!!
No we are not hookers. We are escorts, but thats not the issue here. I was talking with a few other ts who are menbers of HA and we found you guys to be a fuckin joke.
Now posting statistics from Brazil does not do anything for where we are, in the United states.
Now from what I have researched, 95% of men who post on HA are outsiders looking in.
They have never met, or dealt with a ts in real life, shit, most have NEVER even seen or talked to a ts EVER.
So lets just end this bullshit ass thread by saying what we all have agreed to.
HIV exsists.
Its up to you to protect YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!
Guys who use TS escorts will continue to use them, no matter whats posted on HA.
The FEW guys on HA that do use escorts know that we are clean and cautious and have continued to see us.
Last but not least, my girlfriend on here so truthfully stated to me on the phone the other day, most guys just don't care! Its up to us ts to take all the precautions in our sessions.
As a ts, and an ESCORT, I look after both myself and my client.
But lets stop causing panic with ridiculous statements on unbased statements like that of the 1 in 4 ts escort is poz, its a totally stupid and uneducated statement. GET THE FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bh_boyy2]

Where are statictics for the United States?
This is America not Brazil. We all reqalize the HIV rate is much higher in Brazil, but why cause panic and post the worst case senerio on her to make us look bad. How many girls on HA are from Brazil? How many guys on HA go to Brazil and use escorts? How dare you try to make us look bad by posting statistics that have NOTHING to do with TS in say NYC, or Chicago.

Look, I don't want to cause panic or to make anyone look bad. I posted data concerning brazilian tgirls because some men that visit the forum do travel to Brazil or Europe (in some european countries, e.g. Italy, brazilian transsexual escorts are a majority) and meet tgirls. I just wanted to help, since we all know that many guys still insist on unprotected sex.
Anyway, below is an article reporting the results of a survey done in the USA (Los Angeles County).

Pubmed Link:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11153683?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_RVDocSum


Full Text:

AIDS
HIV prevalence and incidence among male-to-female transsexuals receiving HIV
prevention services in Los Angeles County
ISSN: 0269-9370Accession: 00002030-200012220-00024
Author(s):

Simon, Paul A.ab; Reback, Cathy J.c; Bemis, Cathleen C.b

Issue: Volume 14 ( 18 ) , 22 December 2000, pp 2953-2955

Publication Type:[Research Letters]

Publisher:(C) 2000 Lippincott Williams & Wilkins, Inc.

Institution(s):aLos Angeles County Department of Health Services, Los Angeles,
CA, USA; bHealth Research Association, Los Angeles County/University of Southern
California Medical Center, Los Angeles, CA, USA; and cVan Ness Recovery House,
Hollywood, California, USA.
Sponsorship: This study was supported by the University of California Universitywide
AIDS Research Program, grant no. PC97-LAC-012L, and the California State Office
of AIDS.
Received: 23 June 2000;
revised: 31 August 2000; accepted: 11 September 2000.

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Table 1

Few published data are available on the prevalence of HIV infection among
transsexual individuals and, to our knowledge, no data are available on the
incidence of infection in this population. Moreover, most studies examining HIV
seroprevalence have focused exclusively on male-to-female (MtF) transsexuals who
engage in sex work [1,2]. We report the results of a study that assessed HIV
seroprevalence and seroincidence among MtF transsexuals receiving HIV prevention
services in Los Angeles County, USA.

From February 1998 to January 1999, 244 individuals who were 18 years or older,
resided in Los Angeles County, and identified as MtF transsexual or as a woman
who was born male were enrolled in the study. Biological men who dressed as
women but identified as men (e.g. transvestites) were not included. Participants
were recruited at three community agencies and in outreach settings where staff
from the agencies were delivering HIV prevention services. These services ranged
from brief one-time encounters to structured prevention interventions involving
multiple contacts. Each participant received a baseline interview and an oral
fluid-based HIV antibody test. A follow-up interview and HIV antibody test were
scheduled for 6 months after the initial interview. Interviews were conducted in
English, Spanish, and Tagalog.

The racial/ethnic mix of the study group was 49% Latino, 20% Asian/Pacific
Islander, 15% white, 7% black, and 8% multi-racial or other (Table 1). The
median age was 29 years (range 18-61 years). Approximately one half reported
less than 12 years of education (47%) and an annual income of less than US$12
000 (50%). Nine per cent reported homelessness in the past 6 months. Fifty-eight
per cent reported having ever been incarcerated and 50% reported sex work as a
main source of income.

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Table 1. HIV seroprevalence by sociodemographic characteristic among
male-to-female transsexuals. aTwo respondents with missing income information
were excluded.



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More than half (56%) identified their gender as female or woman, and most (77%)
reported their sexual orientation as heterosexual. Eighty-five per cent reported
sexual contact with a man in the past 6 months. Thirty per cent had previously
undergone surgery to enhance their gender presentation, most commonly breast
augmentation (21%), but only 3% had undergone genital surgery for sex reassignment.
More than half (64%) reported no health insurance coverage and 32% no regular
source of health care.

HIV seroprevalence at baseline was 22% (Table 1). Seroprevalence was higher
among those aged 30-39 years (40%), those with annual incomes less than US$12
000 (31%), and those with less than 12 years of education (29%). Seroprevalence
was 26% among those who reported sex work as a main source of income and 18%
among all others (P = 0.11). Although a substantial variation in seroprevalence
was also observed by race/ethnicity, these results may have been influenced by
differences in recruitment strategies at the three agencies. For example,
recruitment at the agency serving a largely Hispanic clientele occurred
primarily in outreach settings, where those believed to be at highest HIV risk
were receiving prevention services.

Follow-up information was obtained on 219 (90%) individuals. The analysis of HIV
seroincidence was restricted to those in this group who were HIV-seronegative at
baseline (n = 171). Follow-up intervals for these individuals ranged from 5 to
17 months (mean 8 months), producing a total of 117.0 years of person-time
follow-up. Four seroconversions were identified in the group, an incidence rate
of 3.4 infections per 100 person-years.

The prevalence of HIV infection observed in this group of MtF transsexuals is
among the highest seen in any group in Los Angeles County over the past two
decades, and is comparable to prevalence rates measured among high-risk gay and
bisexual men (e.g. those receiving services in public sexually transmitted
disease clinics; Los Angeles County Department of Health Services, unpublished
data). The observed seroincidence is comparable to rates measured among gay and
bisexual men in the mid- to late-1980s [3], and highlights the urgent need for
more effective transsexual-specific HIV prevention strategies.

Our findings should not be generalized to other MtF transsexual populations,
particularly those more affluent and assimilated. In addition, the results may
not be representative of transsexual individuals not receiving prevention
services who live in or frequent the neighborhoods served by the three
participating agencies. The high seroprevalence among African-Americans (44%)
should be interpreted with caution given the small sample size (n = 18 ). This
finding, however, is consistent with a recent study in San Francisco [4], which
found a seroprevalence of 63% in African-American MtF transsexuals, more than
double the rate found in the other racial/ethnic groups studied.

Paul A. Simonab

Cathy J. Rebackc

Cathleen C. Bemisb

References

1. Modan B, Goldschmidt R, Rubinstein E. et al. Prevalence of HIV antibodies in
transsexual and female prostitutes. Am J Public Health 1992, 82: 590 -592.
Bibliographic Links

2. Elifson KW, Boles J, Posey E, Sweat M, Darrow W, Elsea W. Male transvestite
prostitutes and HIV risk. Am J Public Health 1993, 83: 260 -262. Bibliographic
Links

3. Kingsley LA, Zhou SYJ, Bacellar H. et al. Temporal trends in human immunodeficiency
virus type 1 seroconversion 1984-1989: a report from the Multicenter AIDS Cohort
Study (MACS). Am J Epidemiol 1991, 134: 331 -339. Bibliographic Links

4. Clements K, Marx R, Guzman, Ikeda S, Katz M. Prevalence of HIV infection in
transgendered individuals in San Francisco.XIIth International Conference on
AIDS. Geneva, June 1998 [Abstract no. 23536].

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[TsVanessa69]

Where are statictics for the United States?
This is America not Brazil. We all reqalize the HIV rate is much higher in Brazil, but why cause panic and post the worst case senerio on her to make us look bad. How many girls on HA are from Brazil? How many guys on HA go to Brazil and use escorts? How dare you try to make us look bad by posting statistics that have NOTHING to do with TS in say NYC, or Chicago.

Look, I don't want to cause panic or to make anyone look bad. I posted data concerning brazilian tgirls because some men that visit the forum do travel to Brazil or Europe (in some european countries, e.g. Italy, brazilian transsexual escorts are a majority) and meet tgirls. I just wanted to help, since we all know that many guys still insist on unprotected sex.
Anyway, below is an article reporting the results of a survey done in the USA (Los Angeles County).

Pubmed Link:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11153683?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_RVDocSum


Full Text:

AIDS
HIV prevalence and incidence among male-to-female transsexuals receiving HIV
prevention services in Los Angeles County
ISSN: 0269-9370Accession: 00002030-200012220-00024
Author(s):

Simon, Paul A.ab; Reback, Cathy J.c; Bemis, Cathleen C.b

Issue: Volume 14 ( 18 ) , 22 December 2000, pp 2953-2955

Publication Type:[Research Letters]

Publisher:(C) 2000 Lippincott Williams & Wilkins, Inc.

Institution(s):aLos Angeles County Department of Health Services, Los Angeles,
CA, USA; bHealth Research Association, Los Angeles County/University of Southern
California Medical Center, Los Angeles, CA, USA; and cVan Ness Recovery House,
Hollywood, California, USA.
Sponsorship: This study was supported by the University of California Universitywide
AIDS Research Program, grant no. PC97-LAC-012L, and the California State Office
of AIDS.
Received: 23 June 2000;
revised: 31 August 2000; accepted: 11 September 2000.

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Outline

References

Graphics

Table 1

Few published data are available on the prevalence of HIV infection among
transsexual individuals and, to our knowledge, no data are available on the
incidence of infection in this population. Moreover, most studies examining HIV
seroprevalence have focused exclusively on male-to-female (MtF) transsexuals who
engage in sex work [1,2]. We report the results of a study that assessed HIV
seroprevalence and seroincidence among MtF transsexuals receiving HIV prevention
services in Los Angeles County, USA.

From February 1998 to January 1999, 244 individuals who were 18 years or older,
resided in Los Angeles County, and identified as MtF transsexual or as a woman
who was born male were enrolled in the study. Biological men who dressed as
women but identified as men (e.g. transvestites) were not included. Participants
were recruited at three community agencies and in outreach settings where staff
from the agencies were delivering HIV prevention services. These services ranged
from brief one-time encounters to structured prevention interventions involving
multiple contacts. Each participant received a baseline interview and an oral
fluid-based HIV antibody test. A follow-up interview and HIV antibody test were
scheduled for 6 months after the initial interview. Interviews were conducted in
English, Spanish, and Tagalog.

The racial/ethnic mix of the study group was 49% Latino, 20% Asian/Pacific
Islander, 15% white, 7% black, and 8% multi-racial or other (Table 1). The
median age was 29 years (range 18-61 years). Approximately one half reported
less than 12 years of education (47%) and an annual income of less than US$12
000 (50%). Nine per cent reported homelessness in the past 6 months. Fifty-eight
per cent reported having ever been incarcerated and 50% reported sex work as a
main source of income.

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Table 1. HIV seroprevalence by sociodemographic characteristic among
male-to-female transsexuals. aTwo respondents with missing income information
were excluded.



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More than half (56%) identified their gender as female or woman, and most (77%)
reported their sexual orientation as heterosexual. Eighty-five per cent reported
sexual contact with a man in the past 6 months. Thirty per cent had previously
undergone surgery to enhance their gender presentation, most commonly breast
augmentation (21%), but only 3% had undergone genital surgery for sex reassignment.
More than half (64%) reported no health insurance coverage and 32% no regular
source of health care.

HIV seroprevalence at baseline was 22% (Table 1). Seroprevalence was higher
among those aged 30-39 years (40%), those with annual incomes less than US$12
000 (31%), and those with less than 12 years of education (29%). Seroprevalence
was 26% among those who reported sex work as a main source of income and 18%
among all others (P = 0.11). Although a substantial variation in seroprevalence
was also observed by race/ethnicity, these results may have been influenced by
differences in recruitment strategies at the three agencies. For example,
recruitment at the agency serving a largely Hispanic clientele occurred
primarily in outreach settings, where those believed to be at highest HIV risk
were receiving prevention services.

Follow-up information was obtained on 219 (90%) individuals. The analysis of HIV
seroincidence was restricted to those in this group who were HIV-seronegative at
baseline (n = 171). Follow-up intervals for these individuals ranged from 5 to
17 months (mean 8 months), producing a total of 117.0 years of person-time
follow-up. Four seroconversions were identified in the group, an incidence rate
of 3.4 infections per 100 person-years.

The prevalence of HIV infection observed in this group of MtF transsexuals is
among the highest seen in any group in Los Angeles County over the past two
decades, and is comparable to prevalence rates measured among high-risk gay and
bisexual men (e.g. those receiving services in public sexually transmitted
disease clinics; Los Angeles County Department of Health Services, unpublished
data). The observed seroincidence is comparable to rates measured among gay and
bisexual men in the mid- to late-1980s [3], and highlights the urgent need for
more effective transsexual-specific HIV prevention strategies.

Our findings should not be generalized to other MtF transsexual populations,
particularly those more affluent and assimilated. In addition, the results may
not be representative of transsexual individuals not receiving prevention
services who live in or frequent the neighborhoods served by the three
participating agencies. The high seroprevalence among African-Americans (44%)
should be interpreted with caution given the small sample size (n = 18 ). This
finding, however, is consistent with a recent study in San Francisco [4], which
found a seroprevalence of 63% in African-American MtF transsexuals, more than
double the rate found in the other racial/ethnic groups studied.

Paul A. Simonab

Cathy J. Rebackc

Cathleen C. Bemisb

References

1. Modan B, Goldschmidt R, Rubinstein E. et al. Prevalence of HIV antibodies in
transsexual and female prostitutes. Am J Public Health 1992, 82: 590 -592.
Bibliographic Links

2. Elifson KW, Boles J, Posey E, Sweat M, Darrow W, Elsea W. Male transvestite
prostitutes and HIV risk. Am J Public Health 1993, 83: 260 -262. Bibliographic
Links

3. Kingsley LA, Zhou SYJ, Bacellar H. et al. Temporal trends in human immunodeficiency
virus type 1 seroconversion 1984-1989: a report from the Multicenter AIDS Cohort
Study (MACS). Am J Epidemiol 1991, 134: 331 -339. Bibliographic Links

4. Clements K, Marx R, Guzman, Ikeda S, Katz M. Prevalence of HIV infection in
transgendered individuals in San Francisco.XIIth International Conference on
AIDS. Geneva, June 1998 [Abstract no. 23536].

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And as you can read, the statistics from LA are DRASTICLY different than thos of Brazil. You should have posted those statistics first, then those of Brazil as a comparision. Having worked in the HIV and Std prevention field in Chicago, I knew your statictics and those of others posted on here were totally WRONG in reference to TG life in Chicago and the United Stares in general. I hate when guys try to make us look bad and seem like we don't take care of ourselves. As I stared before I look after me always!

[Prefect]

No we are not hookers. We are escorts,

Please. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.


As far as stds, I know in the sex industry genital herpes is par for the course and condoms won't protect you from it. In the states, 20-25% of the pop. has it so you you can only guess what it would be for high risk groups.

As for HIV, I have no idea how you go about just disregarding a scientific study done in LA.

[TsVanessa69]

No we are not hookers. We are escorts,

Please. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.


As far as stds, I know in the sex industry genital herpes is par for the course and condoms won't protect you from it. In the states, 20-25% of the pop. has it so you you can only guess what it would be for high risk groups.
Get a clue before you start posting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!
Enough with the guess work, show statictics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can only guess you are another outsider looking in, never dated a ts, probably never even seen one in real life.
GET SOME FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you know genital herpes is par for the course is it because you have them?????

[bh_boyy2]

Here's another article. A good one (a systematic review of US-based studies). From January 2008.

It shows a HIV prevalence rate of 27,7% in MtF individuals. It also shows that the African-American population is at greater risk. I've posted another paper that shows a prevalence rate of 22%. The first poster (blacktgirls) was not wrong after all, even though he didn't show evidence of his claims. The HIV prevalence rate in MtF transgender individuals, in the USA, is roughly 25% (1/4) - that's what the studies show.

Pubmed Link:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17694429?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_RVDocSum


Link for the full text article (PDF format):

http://rapidshare.com/files/107208034/Estimating_HIV_prevalence_and_risk_behaviors_of_tr ansgender_persons_in_the_United.pdf


Abstract:

1: AIDS Behav. 2008 Jan;12(1):1-17. Epub 2007 Aug 13.

Estimating HIV prevalence and risk behaviors of transgender persons in the United
States: a systematic review.

Herbst JH, Jacobs ED, Finlayson TJ, McKleroy VS, Neumann MS, Crepaz N; HIV/AIDS
Prevention Research Synthesis Team.

Collaborators: DeLuca JB, Kay LS, Lyles CM, Mullins M, Rama SM, Thadiparthi S.

Prevention Research Branch, Division of HIV/AIDS Prevention, National Center for
HIV, Viral Hepatitis, STD and TB Prevention, Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention, 1600 Clifton Road NE, Mailstop E-37, Atlanta, GA 30333, USA.
jherbst@cdc.gov

Transgender populations in the United States have been impacted by the HIV/AIDS
epidemic. This systematic review estimates the prevalence of HIV infection and
risk behaviors of transgender persons. Comprehensive searches of the US-based HIV
behavioral prevention literature identified 29 studies focusing on male-to-female
(MTF) transgender women; five of these studies also reported data on
female-to-male (FTM) transgender men. Using meta-analytic approaches, prevalence
rates were estimated by synthesizing weighted means. Meta-analytic findings
indicated that 27.7% (95% confidence interval [CI], 24.8-30.6%) of MTFs tested
positive for HIV infection (four studies), while 11.8% (95% CI, 10.5-13.2%) of
MTFs self-reported being HIV-seropositive (18 studies). Higher HIV infection
rates were found among African-American MTFs regardless of assessment method
(56.3% test result; 30.8% self-report). Large percentages of MTFs (range, 27-48%)
reported engaging in risky behaviors (e.g., unprotected receptive anal
intercourse, multiple casual partners, sex work). Prevalence rates of HIV and
risk behaviors were low among FTMs. Contextual factors potentially related to
increased HIV risk include mental health concerns, physical abuse, social
isolation, economic marginalization, and unmet transgender-specific healthcare
needs. Additional research is needed to explain the causes of HIV risk behavior
of transgender persons. These findings should be considered when developing and
adapting prevention interventions for transgender populations.


PMID: 17694429 [PubMed - in process]

Related Links

HIV prevalence, risk behaviors, health care use, and mental health status of
transgender persons: implications for public health intervention. [Am J Public
Health. 2001] PMID:11392934

Sex Work and HIV Status Among Transgender Women: Systematic Review and
Meta-Analysis. [J Acquir Immune Defic Syndr. 2008] PMID:18344875

Overlooked, misunderstood and at-risk: exploring the lives and HIV risk of ethnic
minority male-to-female transgender youth. [J Adolesc Health. 2006] PMID:16488820

HIV risk behaviors among male-to-female transgender persons of color in San
Francisco. [Am J Public Health. 2004] PMID:15226142

What is the significance of black-white differences in risky sexual behavior? [J
Natl Med Assoc. 1994] PMID:7807559

[Mr_Man]

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[TheOne1]

while 99% of shemales are hookers is a thread made to anger the girls with a ridiculously high percentage and a derogatory name at least 1 in 4 ...!!!! ......ts escorts is HIV positive. this scares the shit out of me !...... the highest rate of HIV is in the mtf trangender community. i am attracted to ts girls and i paid an escort to let me give her a bareback blowjob. i would like to see another escort in the future but with all the recent dicussion on HA about girls here saying they know girls who are HIV + and still working and with the studies i looked up about HIV in the ts cummunity i am now reluctant. i feel if a girl is HIV positive she should not be escorting! i know this is never going to be the case but i would like to know what are everyones thoughts on this topic.

Sources for your "statistics", please?
I was going to ask the same thing.
I know his 1 in 4 is wrong, because myself and 4 girlfriends who are negative, made 5 negative girls, thus shoting down the 1 in 4 theroy. Obviously there are more negative girls than that, but just from the whole post by Yasmin some of us were discussing it amongs ourselves. HIV is more rampant amoung straight youth more than the tg community as we know to protect ourselves and the straight people think it only effects us. I hate when clients tell me its ok not to use a condom because, they ONLY see females. LIESS!! Vagina's spread disease!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get real people!

you can't shoot down a 1 in 4 theory based on the fact that you know five hiv neg. people..

making it simple, hand sanitizer kills 99.9% of germs, but since there is billions, it still leaves hundreds of thousands germs on your hands.....

[Prefect]

No we are not hookers. We are escorts,

Please. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.


As far as stds, I know in the sex industry genital herpes is par for the course and condoms won't protect you from it. In the states, 20-25% of the pop. has it so you you can only guess what it would be for high risk groups.
Get a clue before you start posting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!
Enough with the guess work, show statictics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can only guess you are another outsider looking in, never dated a ts, probably never even seen one in real life.
GET SOME FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you know genital herpes is par for the course is it because you have them?????

HIV Risk Behaviors Among Male-to-Female Transgender Persons of Color in San Francisco

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1448420

Ninety-eight percent of the MTF transgender sample reported having ever tested for HIV. Of those who had been tested, 26% reported being HIV-positive. Another 68% reported being HIV-negative; 4% were unsure and 1% refused to report their status. Fourteen percent reported testing positive for any STD during the past 12 months, including herpes (5%), gonorrhea (4%), genital warts (3%), syphilis (3%), chlamydia (2%), and trichomoniasis (1%).

[TsVanessa69]

while 99% of shemales are hookers is a thread made to anger the girls with a ridiculously high percentage and a derogatory name at least 1 in 4 ...!!!! ......ts escorts is HIV positive. this scares the shit out of me !...... the highest rate of HIV is in the mtf trangender community. i am attracted to ts girls and i paid an escort to let me give her a bareback blowjob. i would like to see another escort in the future but with all the recent dicussion on HA about girls here saying they know girls who are HIV + and still working and with the studies i looked up about HIV in the ts cummunity i am now reluctant. i feel if a girl is HIV positive she should not be escorting! i know this is never going to be the case but i would like to know what are everyones thoughts on this topic.

Sources for your "statistics", please?
I was going to ask the same thing.
I know his 1 in 4 is wrong, because myself and 4 girlfriends who are negative, made 5 negative girls, thus shoting down the 1 in 4 theroy. Obviously there are more negative girls than that, but just from the whole post by Yasmin some of us were discussing it amongs ourselves. HIV is more rampant amoung straight youth more than the tg community as we know to protect ourselves and the straight people think it only effects us. I hate when clients tell me its ok not to use a condom because, they ONLY see females. LIESS!! Vagina's spread disease!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get real people!

you can't shoot down a 1 in 4 theory based on the fact that you know five hiv neg. people..

making it simple, hand sanitizer kills 99.9% of germs, but since there is billions, it still leaves hundreds of thousands germs on your hands.....I know of many more than just 5 silly.Its just we as ts take better care of ourselves more than you guys give us credit for. I say EVERYBODY is at risk and gender identity does not make us more or less at risk. How many yourng females have HIV at the age of 15. Now thats sad, and the number is much higher than you think. HIV essists, and its not a joke. But don't pin the spread on us exclusivly, thats all I'm saying.

[igotmacedbymimi:(]

Bottom line is youd have to be a mug to see escorts (prostitutes, the real name for 'escort' is prostitute, 'escort' is the nicer was of saying it).

You pay your money to someone who has been having sex with 3/4 other guys in the day, EVERY FRIGGING DAY!

When doctors test for hiv they have to ask certain questions, this is called risk analysis. They determine whether you are in a high/low or medium risk category.

If you see prostitutes (the term they use is 'have you ever paid anyone for sex') if yoy have then you are automatically in the high risk group.

The fact that prostitutes might try to defend this is neither here nor there because this is what the medical survey's ask!

It goes like this: HIV infected individuals are more likely to use prostitutes (escorts, if you want to be 'nice' about the name of it), therefore whilst someone is escorting there is a massive chance they have come into contact with carriers of the virus and other nasty diseases.

Generally people who use prostitutes will not just visit one, they will visit a few, many. Therefore the more they see, the more chance they have at contracting the disease and spreading it to other prostitutes.

Remember the harsh reality, the clients couldnt care less about the prostitute nor could the prostitute care less about the client. This is why hiv is prelevant in the prostitution scene.

If you take some of the arguments that other people have made such as 'but some people go out and get drunk and have bareback sex with other drunk people from clubs etc'.

Or 'but students have student parties and do lots of drugs and have lots of sex'.

This is no way near the risk associated with using prostitutes. This is because it is highly unlikely that the people you meet at nightclubs or at student parties are in the 'high risk' category.

Whereas a prostitute is instantly in the high risk category due to the nature of her job.

In the end, you see prostitutes then some people would say its pittiful, but at least protect yourself by wearing a condom.

Some people would think it is totally laughable and pittiful that a grown man that professes to being 'straight' would be excited and desperate to hand over 200 dollars to someone so he can suck their c*ck.

Come on, take a look at yourself, you paid someone 200 dollars so you could suck their c*ck for them, what kind of man are you?

[EyeCumInPiece]

I have never been intimate with a TS escort. Obviously, ive considered it many times and still wont rule it out completely in the future. This article though, has discouraged me greatly.

[Chaotic]

I have never been intimate with a TS escort. Obviously, ive considered it many times and still wont rule it out completely in the future. This article though, has discouraged me greatly.

I'm certainly on the same page with you on the first two, but as daunting as the reports are, I'm not all that intimidated by them. IMO, statistics are like bikinis; what they reveal is fascinating, it's what's underneath that REALLY matters. And I'm seeing the "underneath" here as one should ALWAYS use protection when entering ANY new sexual encounter, TS escorts or otherwise.

That should, of course, go without saying, but it's always good to be reminded once in a while, especially reminders as powerful as those reports. :wink:

Stay safe, man! 8)

[Felicia Katt]

All the above quoted studies prove that poverty and HIV are linked and nothing more. Read the abstracts. All the participants in those studies were girls who had to use county health care and aids prevention services. Those are typically the girls who work the streets, who don't have the resources to provide their own health care and testing, and who more often are involved with street drugs. For them, sadly, higher HIV rates are just one of the many adversities they face.

Higher level escorts generally have more money and better resources for their health care needs. They are probably better educated and less likely to engage in risky behaviors, and less likely to engage in other behaviors, like street drug use, that can impair their judgment and provide another vector for infection.

With all that being said, giving ANYONE a bare back blow job is just foolish. It may be safer than anal sex, but it is not a behavior without risk. If you want to assure your health and well being, you should regulate your own behavior not make blanket statements about dictating others' behaviors.

FK

[Shining Star]

Lookee here: Those who refuse to accept the high numbers of transgendered sex workers infected with HIV also refuse basic understanding of the disease and sexual behaviour, paid and otherwise.

The AIDS virus is spread via certian body fluids, with blood and sperm the highest vectors for transmission. Thus anyone who comes into frequent contact with either or both is at risk for infection. Depending upon whom one has sex with, and how often,one's chances of infection are either nil, or very great.

Prostitutes (am calling it what it straight up is, no-where in the United States,much less the world will one find laws regarding "escorting", or "escorts", if one takes money in exchange for sex it is what it is), especially those who engage in gay male sex will have higher than average rates of HIV infection , than the average population. The same applies for men who engage in gay male sex, which is the reason why the question is asked before one can donate blood.

When AIDs first came on the scene, gays, trannies and most everyone else was slapping on condoms. However twenty years on consistent condom use is falling by the wayside. Why? For the same reason men have traditionally chosen not to wear the things, they don't like how it feels.

The above poses a problem when it comes to prostitutes, and indeed sex with someone a person is really hot to sleep with. If the man demands sex, oral, anal, vaginal, whatever; without a condom, if you want and or need that money, and or are really attracted to that person and want sex with him, you probably are going to do what he says.

There are many posts here of t-girls so hot for the garage guy who is fixing their car, to a hot young "papi" they willingly have sex without condoms. One poster wrote in great detail about performing oral sex to it's natural end, and digesting body fluids.

While the risk of AIDs via oral is low, it is not nil, especially if one has numerous such contacts on a daily, weekly or monthly basis as by nature "escorts" must do.

Also factor in by and large trannie chasers do NOT like using condoms. Add this to the number of various girls some chasers have slept with, and you have the numbers of HIV infected T-girls one sees reported above. So many girls think because a man is young, goodlooking and such that he cannot be infected. The bottom line is you don't know where that man has been. His trade could have been up a homeless person's behind, or with some clapped out $2 prossie before he came to you.

As with most everything else in the United States, race and soci-economic background comes into play with AIDS as well. Your average hood-trannie trying to survive, just like the hood-rat prossie has little or no leverage when it comes to dates. They need money, and more likely than not will do what a date says regardless how of dangerous it can be to their health to get at that money.

New York City, though it's "community courts" has been mandating HIV education for all persons convicted of "escorting", and the results are pretty dismal for the most part. The same girls are arrested time and time again, and treat the course as just one more thing to get done before they hit the streets again. They are thankful for the free condoms and such, but reality on the ground is different they say.

Within the white gay community, AIDS levels have for the most part declined, but lately have been edging up, especially amoung younger gays.

What one has now is that AIDS like many other diseases is becoming one of those communites filled with poverty, ignorance and poor health care.

As I stated before, there are large numbers of blk and latino men having "gay" sex (including with trannies), on the down low. Well they aren't having sex with high end (or those who consider themselves such), trannies, for one reason most will not date black or latin men anyway. By and large they are having sex within their home area with other men or trannies. This rather inbred pool of disease allows AIDs to take hold firmly within a community and spread. As these same men also sleep with women, the pool spreads as these now infected women (many who do not know they are infected), sleep with other men and spread the disease further within the community.

[PatrickFromNYC]

I remember reading one of the TS escort sites and I was SHOCKED about how many of the clients insisted on BB BJ's and swallowing the escorts cum?? I posted on the message board the dangers of this practice but it was removed immediately.

I would love to know how many of the guys who see TS escorts but identify themselves as "STR8" have ever been tested for HIV?? I bet you the number is low.

[Prefect]

[/quote]I know of many more than just 5 silly.Its just we as ts take better care of ourselves more than you guys give us credit for. I say EVERYBODY is at risk and gender identity does not make us more or less at risk. How many yourng females have HIV at the age of 15. Now thats sad, and the number is much higher than you think. HIV essists, and its not a joke. But don't pin the spread on us exclusivly, thats all I'm saying.[/quote]


Bringing up the risk of 15 year old girls having HIV and that of prostitutes in the same breath is not only silly but malicious in the it misleads Joe Schmoe as to what the real danger is. Of HIV documented cases in the U.S, about 0.5% involves teenagers. There has only been 4,061 cases of teenagers aquiring HIV up to the year 2000. 5000 teenagers each year die in car accidents. The risk acquiring HIV from a teenager is practically nil.
http://www.idph.state.il.us/public/respect/hiv_fs.htm
http://www.car-accidents.com/teen-car-accidents.html

This added risk has nothing to do with gender identity and everything to do with lifestyle and profession. Most of the prostitutes posting on this thread have "not me" syndrome. Just crunch the numbers. Think about the number of clients, what kinds of high risk behaviors they might have engaged in, how often condoms break if they are used, and what condoms don't protect against. I don't care how much more careful you believe you are or how much smarter you think you are than everyone before you. You roll the dice enough times and shit happens.

[Ratbutt]

while 99% of shemales are hookers is a thread made to anger the girls with a ridiculously high percentage and a derogatory name at least 1 in 4 ...!!!! ......ts escorts is HIV positive. this scares the shit out of me !...... the highest rate of HIV is in the mtf trangender community. i am attracted to ts girls and i paid an escort to let me give her a bareback blowjob. i would like to see another escort in the future but with all the recent dicussion on HA about girls here saying they know girls who are HIV + and still working and with the studies i looked up about HIV in the ts cummunity i am now reluctant. i feel if a girl is HIV positive she should not be escorting! i know this is never going to be the case but i would like to know what are everyones thoughts on this topic.

So your sexual health is the responsibility of a prostitute who doesn't know you and is just trying to pay rent & meds?

How about NOT!?!?!?

I've said it 1000 times, if you can't take the heat stay outta the kitchen. If you have alot of sex with escorts you WILL get something. Ranging from crabs to herpes to syphillis to Aids. Yes, and that is using condoms 100% of the time.

If you aren't mentally prepared for that and very careful about your cleanup activities then get the hell outta the game.

[blacktgirls]

while 99% of shemales are hookers is a thread made to anger the girls with a ridiculously high percentage and a derogatory name at least 1 in 4 ...!!!! ......ts escorts is HIV positive. this scares the shit out of me !...... the highest rate of HIV is in the mtf trangender community. i am attracted to ts girls and i paid an escort to let me give her a bareback blowjob. i would like to see another escort in the future but with all the recent dicussion on HA about girls here saying they know girls who are HIV + and still working and with the studies i looked up about HIV in the ts cummunity i am now reluctant. i feel if a girl is HIV positive she should not be escorting! i know this is never going to be the case but i would like to know what are everyones thoughts on this topic.

Sources for your "statistics", please?http://www.yescenter.org/HIVAIDS_Risk_Factors_Among.pdf......i hope this link works i've never posted one before but i also came across a lot more interesting studies that i should have bookmarked................ it works so i'll post some more soon.

[RMan1]

TS Escort opinion = little risk, come pay me for fun.
Reality = you have a 1 in 4 chance of being infected with something that could KILL you quickly.

Is it worth it?

[Felicia Katt]

TS Escort opinion = little risk, come pay me for fun.
Reality = you have a 1 in 4 chance of being infected with something that could KILL you quickly.

Is it worth it?
I'm guessing you don't work for a Vegas Sports book?? LOL

If, and its a very big IF, 1 escort in 4 were actually HIV positive, your odds of getting aids are not 1 in 4. If you use a rubber, your odds are more like like one in several hundred thousand. Compare that to the odds of dying in a car crash at 100 to 1, orr the odds of being murdered at 300 to 1 or the odds of dying in a fire arms accident at 2500 to 1. Your odds of being hit by a comet or asteroid are less at 20,000 to 1. Despite those scary probabilities, you probably still drive, still have a gun and don't live in an reinforced concrete bunker.

Be informed, be careful and be sure to only play safe and the odds are with you, not against you.

FK

[DC]

Here is an interesting site everyone should read,

www.aliveandwell.org

[justatransgirl]

And then after all this, remember...

My ex- next door neighbor, a nice married man, rolled out of bed one night, slipped and broke his neck and died.

Hugs,
TS Jamie :-)

[RMan1]

Very predictable, a TS Escort minimizing the risk because TS Escorts want money. They are a high risk group, and to think otherwise is foolish.

[slinky]

I know his 1 in 4 is wrong, because myself and 4 girlfriends who are negative, made 5 negative girls, thus shoting down the 1 in 4 theroy.

This is either not sarcastic enough, or the most stupid thing I've heard this year.

[slinky]

Lookee here: Those who refuse to accept the high numbers of transgendered sex workers infected with HIV also refuse basic understanding of the disease and sexual behaviour, paid and otherwise.

The AIDS virus is spread via certian body fluids, with blood and sperm the highest vectors for transmission. Thus anyone who comes into frequent contact with either or both is at risk for infection. Depending upon whom one has sex with, and how often,one's chances of infection are either nil, or very great.

Prostitutes (am calling it what it straight up is, no-where in the United States,much less the world will one find laws regarding "escorting", or "escorts", if one takes money in exchange for sex it is what it is), especially those who engage in gay male sex will have higher than average rates of HIV infection , than the average population. The same applies for men who engage in gay male sex, which is the reason why the question is asked before one can donate blood.

When AIDs first came on the scene, gays, trannies and most everyone else was slapping on condoms. However twenty years on consistent condom use is falling by the wayside. Why? For the same reason men have traditionally chosen not to wear the things, they don't like how it feels.

The above poses a problem when it comes to prostitutes, and indeed sex with someone a person is really hot to sleep with. If the man demands sex, oral, anal, vaginal, whatever; without a condom, if you want and or need that money, and or are really attracted to that person and want sex with him, you probably are going to do what he says.

There are many posts here of t-girls so hot for the garage guy who is fixing their car, to a hot young "papi" they willingly have sex without condoms. One poster wrote in great detail about performing oral sex to it's natural end, and digesting body fluids.

While the risk of AIDs via oral is low, it is not nil, especially if one has numerous such contacts on a daily, weekly or monthly basis as by nature "escorts" must do.

Also factor in by and large trannie chasers do NOT like using condoms. Add this to the number of various girls some chasers have slept with, and you have the numbers of HIV infected T-girls one sees reported above. So many girls think because a man is young, goodlooking and such that he cannot be infected. The bottom line is you don't know where that man has been. His trade could have been up a homeless person's behind, or with some clapped out $2 prossie before he came to you.

As with most everything else in the United States, race and soci-economic background comes into play with AIDS as well. Your average hood-trannie trying to survive, just like the hood-rat prossie has little or no leverage when it comes to dates. They need money, and more likely than not will do what a date says regardless how of dangerous it can be to their health to get at that money.

New York City, though it's "community courts" has been mandating HIV education for all persons convicted of "escorting", and the results are pretty dismal for the most part. The same girls are arrested time and time again, and treat the course as just one more thing to get done before they hit the streets again. They are thankful for the free condoms and such, but reality on the ground is different they say.

Within the white gay community, AIDS levels have for the most part declined, but lately have been edging up, especially amoung younger gays.

What one has now is that AIDS like many other diseases is becoming one of those communites filled with poverty, ignorance and poor health care.

As I stated before, there are large numbers of blk and latino men having "gay" sex (including with trannies), on the down low. Well they aren't having sex with high end (or those who consider themselves such), trannies, for one reason most will not date black or latin men anyway. By and large they are having sex within their home area with other men or trannies. This rather inbred pool of disease allows AIDs to take hold firmly within a community and spread. As these same men also sleep with women, the pool spreads as these now infected women (many who do not know they are infected), sleep with other men and spread the disease further within the community.

For the second time in as many days, great fucking post.

As far as "but lately have been edging up, especially amoung younger gays" goes, it has been linked to that population not being exposed to the effects of such behavior (like seeing dozens of your friends die from it), the knowledge that it's no longer an absolute death sentence, and meth usage.

[2754tim]

Look,I'll tell you from professional and personal experience that the bottom line is you should wear a rubber,period.I worked with woman before
AZT was introduced.A lot of them were street prostitutes who had heroin addictions.They told me stories about guys giving them an extra $50 to blow
them without a rubber,$100 for vaginal or anal bareback.There were some
TGirls,same deal.They were all homeless,addicted,had hep A,B,C, every STD
going,HIV+.So,forget the stats.You can pass it through saliva into a small sore or cut.One of my ex-girlfriends who's now sober was a horrible heroin addict
and prostitute.She's told me some really crazy stories about guys who didn't
want to wear rubbers after she told them she had Hep.They'd toss her an extra couple hundred,she's really beautiful.Insane.Crazy.People are always
talking about the sexual part but forget the drug element.Put IV drug use together
with multiple sexual partners and you have have walking sexual time bombs.
I've been in the alcohol/drug recovery game for over 20 years and know a lot of Escorts,GGs and TGirls who are HIV+.I know a ton of street girls,GGs and TGirls who are positive.They all still work.Rubbers suck but they'll save your life.
Don't be bbbj Escorts.It's too risky.
You don't know if this girl just did a bag of dope with a nasty needle.
And I'm not saying this to offend anyone.I know some girls that function very well with an addiction.You'd never know.And you don't.
I'm surprised I'm negative with some of the stunts I've pulled.
Just be aware and careful.

[AverageJob]

No we are not hookers. We are escortsIn the end youre all prostitutes.

[Chaotic]

while 99% of shemales are hookers is a thread made to anger the girls with a ridiculously high percentage and a derogatory name at least 1 in 4 ...!!!! ......ts escorts is HIV positive. this scares the shit out of me !...... the highest rate of HIV is in the mtf trangender community. i am attracted to ts girls and i paid an escort to let me give her a bareback blowjob. i would like to see another escort in the future but with all the recent dicussion on HA about girls here saying they know girls who are HIV + and still working and with the studies i looked up about HIV in the ts cummunity i am now reluctant. i feel if a girl is HIV positive she should not be escorting! i know this is never going to be the case but i would like to know what are everyones thoughts on this topic.

Sources for your "statistics", please?http://www.yescenter.org/HIVAIDS_Risk_Factors_Among.pdf......i hope this link works i've never posted one before but i also came across a lot more interesting studies that i should have bookmarked................ it works so i'll post some more soon.

The link seems fine. Interesting read. Thanks.

[Azanti]

While it is good to see the HIV debate and awareness continue on this forum, it is sad to see so many alarmist remarks.

And if 1 in 4 t Girls are HIV positive, then 1 in 2 of their clients are wife cheating pricks.

[2754tim]

Well Pal,Seriously,Who Do You Think Their Clients Are?

[peggygee]

Here is an interesting site everyone should read,

www.aliveandwell.org




[http://www.yescenter.org/HIVAIDS_Risk_Factors_Among.pdf......i hope this link works i've never posted one before but i also came across a lot more interesting studies that i should have bookmarked................ it works so i'll post some more soon.

The link seems fine. Interesting read. Thanks.

Thank you both for those links. :wink:

[rikdik]

Living in San Francisco I can tell you from experience that these figures are definitely on the LOW side. If you knew the truth about these 'girls' you would cut your dick off before you put it into tHEir hole!

[Aragon21]

1: AIDS Care. 1998 Aug;10(4):473-80.

HIV infection among foreign people involved in HIV-related risk activities and
attending an HIV reference centre in Rome: the possible role of counselling in
reducing risk behaviour.

Spizzichino L, Casella P, Zaccarelli M, Rezza G, Venezia S, Gattari P.

Drug Treatment Centre RM/E, Santo Spirito Hospital, Rome, Italy.

Between September 1993 and December 1995, 528 foreign individuals at risk of HIV
infection attended the drug treatment centre located in the Santo Spirito
Hospital in Rome, undergoing medical examination, HIV testing and counselling.

Let's get REAL here. These 528 individuals traveled to Rome, Italy for testing. This was not a random sampling the only true statistical means of measuring a population. These people likely already had their own suspicions before travelling a quarter of the way around the globe to be tested.

If I were to go to a methadone clinic and did a study on percentages of the population with a heroin addiction...would I be surprised that 80% of the peole going to the clinic were such? Could I further extrapolate the figures taken to the general population?

Also 1993-1995 statistics are too dated to be applied to a population that is more informed and connected via internet than those a mere 15 years ago when there was still debate as to whether kissing was a source of transmittal.

Simply put, the study is out of date and not a statistical representation of any population.

[bh_boyy2]

1: AIDS Care. 1998 Aug;10(4):473-80.

HIV infection among foreign people involved in HIV-related risk activities and
attending an HIV reference centre in Rome: the possible role of counselling in
reducing risk behaviour.

Spizzichino L, Casella P, Zaccarelli M, Rezza G, Venezia S, Gattari P.

Drug Treatment Centre RM/E, Santo Spirito Hospital, Rome, Italy.

Between September 1993 and December 1995, 528 foreign individuals at risk of HIV
infection attended the drug treatment centre located in the Santo Spirito
Hospital in Rome, undergoing medical examination, HIV testing and counselling.

Let's get REAL here. These 528 individuals traveled to Rome, Italy for testing. This was not a random sampling the only true statistical means of measuring a population. These people likely already had their own suspicions before travelling a quarter of the way around the globe to be tested.

If I were to go to a methadone clinic and did a study on percentages of the population with a heroin addiction...would I be surprised that 80% of the peole going to the clinic were such? Could I further extrapolate the figures taken to the general population?

Also 1993-1995 statistics are too dated to be applied to a population that is more informed and connected via internet than those a mere 15 years ago when there was still debate as to whether kissing was a source of transmittal.

Simply put, the study is out of date and not a statistical representation of any population.

The individuals enrolled in the study did not travel a quarter of the way around the globe to be tested ( :shock: ). They lived in Italy and were described as foreign individuals because they did come from other countries, but for other reasons – usually in the search for work. You said that the study population was not a random sampling. You are right. We call this Selection Bias. But this is always the case with non-notifiable diseases, or with HIV+ test results (in Brazil - not sure about USA). Nevertheless, as long as the n (number of individuals) is big enough, careful extrapolations can be made to a population similar to the one enrolled in the study (mainly MtF transsexuals, escorts or non-escorts). This is the reason why I posted another studies (more recent and from the USA). I also posted a systematic review from January 2008. This type of study provides a very reliable source of information, since they assess the results of many other epidemiological studies. The systematic review and all the other studies showed consistent results (HIV prevalence: approx. 25% at least), which is strong evidence that these numbers are real and not only statistical noise.

[blacktgirls]

the highest rate of HIV is in the mtf trangender community. i am attracted to ts girls and i paid an escort to let me give her a bareback blowjob. i would like to see another escort in the future but with all the recent dicussion on HA about girls here saying they know girls who are HIV + and still working and with the studies i looked up about HIV in the ts cummunity i am now reluctant.

Clearly, you're not all that worried if you still give bareback blowjobs.
The point you make may or may not be valid. I refuse to debate it in light of the fact that you......well....sound like such an asshole. Don't do anything bareback with an escort DUMBASS!!!!

If you really have a thing for TS girls, step your game up and stop being a client. Be a real friend / boyfriend and maybe you'll meet the perfect one for you. you are right about the fact that i should never do anything bareback with an escort. when i gave this TS escort a bareback blowjob a year and a half ago, i was ignorant in thinking that a TS escort, especially an american, would have little chance of having HIV as compared to a GG escort. the reason being i assumed GG escorts worked in order to feed drug habits where as i thought TS escorts worked only because of job discrimination. i have little chance of stepping up my game to get a TS girlfriend because first i don't have any game and second i don't have a way into their very tight knit community. i would love to just go bowling , see a movie or hangout with a TS girl............since though this thread is about HIV in the TS community and therefore in the community of those who admire and seek their company my hope is that more federal, state and local money will be given to address the HIV crisis in the TS community through free healthcare....... where they can recieve counseling, safe sex education, hormones , surgeries, and other help to transition along with help getting housing and finding jobs. some big cities do already offer free or low cost std testing and imformation to the TS community. i think a few of the main reasons behind the high rate of HIV infection are: 1.... a lot of TS girls who escort also have boyfriends who are also in a high risk group, cheat or they too sell sex to gay men to survive.2. ...TS girls share needles with other TS girls to inject hormones or to pump silicone. 3....some escorts who even wear condoms while escorting will almost always as a sign of trust not wear them with their boyfriends..........................http://www.yescenter.org/HIVAIDS_Risk_Factors_Among.pdf

[doradora]

Dear:
LibertyHarkness, TsVanessa69, Felicia Katt, justatransgirl, 2754tim, rikdik

you looks like angry.
please don't angry because it make you painful just yourself.
I think that they can't understand transsexual, and maybe they will not trying understand us.


Dear Another Guys:
first, please look at these pages
http://www.ttgapers.com/Article1726.html (with video-just for download)
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1589/is_2005_July_5/ai_n14931149
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7276715.stm

and this
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/30/opinion/30wed3.html


I told you, my english is very bad.
my reading more than writing. but it have limitations too.
if i misunderstand your posting, i'm sorry.
but if right that my reading. i hope just say something.
i'm not american.
maybe, some of this, different situation from in america.


i have one question to you.
what do you mean now? what do you saying now?

blacktgirls, you say that.
"while 99% of shemales are hookers is a thread made to anger the girls with a ridiculously high percentage and a derogatory name at least 1 in 4 ...!!!! ......ts escorts is HIV positive."

"i would like to see another escort in the future but with all the recent dicussion on HA about girls here saying they know girls who are HIV + and still working and with the studies i looked up about HIV in the ts cummunity i am now reluctant. i feel if a girl is HIV positive she should not be escorting!"


i think.
maybe..you not used wrong text.
HIV is dangerous. ignorance is very dangerous too.
i understanding what you saying.

yes, Shining Star.
some Transsexuals escorting is maybe sometimes, someone's is that mean...Prostitutes.
and about HIV/AID systems, I agree with you in all your views.

so what? what you mean now?
Transsexaul escort is so dangerous.
This is all your Trans escorter's fault. is this?

i think, i understand your post and statistics.
but statistics is just statistics.
some people used these with politics.
so..now. what you mean?

do you think transsexual women was born with HIV or AIDS?
HIV or AIDS is inoffensive for transsexuals?
transsexuals like money more than someone's life?
poverty Transsexuals never afraid HIV or AIDS?
if some Transsexual's know that infection HIV, She happy?
really do you think so?

i hope,"No".
you should just saying carefully.
why just Transsexuals?
maybe you can't understand this.

you can assume here is one Real Women.
She buyed 101 pets because She soooooooooo very loved animal and pets.
but she can't eke out with part time job.
finally She became Prostitutes.
do you think this is same <=> general transsexual's case?

if you want hormon. you need money.
it's not sometimes. it need every month every years every times.
so, how do you think that they need how much money with operation?
and they must paid for life(for food, for house, etc) too.

i know some friends in my country who hate Prostitutes.
they really try. study study study...
many young transsexuals don't want become Prostitutes.
but many transsexuals finally became Prostitutes.
if she met a few good leader. but in many case the another members and customers hate her.
i know some freelancer(not escorter).
but which she already has ability or not, many time they alienation to major.
yes, this is never all-transsexual's case.

but i feeled many time, almost case is not different.
so many society hate us. so many publics hate us.
many government and society blame us.
many people of them say that, "AIDS from yours"
"our society will be happy if you removed from us."
"AIDS is your fault!"

generally many countrys not open jobs for us.
just they think,
"if you will cut your hair, marri women, sex with girl. you will change"
they never understand us.
and they looks like they will never try.
just many people of them say that.
"you are just man, same us, ever! and AIDS from you. you immorality!"
ah..

maybe, you guys not transsexual. it's true.
and you don't understand us.
we can just Only a few choice and jobs for our future more than gays that for identity and for life.
many people of us, they have no choice no jobs.
first i hope, you understand this.
transsexual need many money but almost not for just luxury.
and if transsexual people's someone infected with HIV, however almost of she already don't have any choice.

and AIDS is not from us. we just it's prey.
it's make very hard to safeguard for ourself.
many people of us, afraid that.
and possibly can try for safe from that.
but we need money, and many clients don't care our health.
and hunted us, use a bonus for his sex fantasy.
and say. "i gived money for you, and now, it is all your fault what happen to me."

many transsexuals(never all) infected HIV like this.
transsexuals narrowly defend our self.
and we possibly take care our life.
guys, we are not attacker.
we are just a victim from some attackers attack.
now, if you do not play safe-sex, and you are HIV positive person who just don't know yourself,
any times you can infection to some transsexuals, guys, womens.
i think. it's possible Situations that you will be attacker to someone.
some times AIDS from blood transfusion.
We are not HIV sensor, and you too.
in this Situations, we just prey of you.

your health is yours.
do not say about our boyfriends and needles.
we can't defend your health. and you can defend your health!
blacktgirls, you told that she bareback blowjob for you? it's mean no-condom blowjob?
if she was foolish and you worry HIV. you must request condom.
and i hope you understand that if you do not that, sometimes you can will be HIV Attackers too.
this is for you, for her, for your wife(now or future's), for your childrens.

and then say here.
"all guys, womens, transsexuals and other peoples Safety First. defend from AIDS yourself."
never say, "just transsexuals need careful."
i'm not saying statistics.
you are not group. you just only one. and HIV problems is happen that case by case(most same 1on1).
all HIV/AID protection system for the Prostitutes has under the case by case rule.
HIV/AIDS is not Measles!

if..you say
"i'm client! this problems is all your fault! and your life is just your life, not mine! i will never ever ever infected HIV in my life without you! "
then, all your fault and mistake what happen to you to her and someone.

[Felicia Katt]

Very predictable, a TS Escort minimizing the risk because TS Escorts want money. They are a high risk group, and to think otherwise is foolish.
Why do I think you are maximizing the risk because you resent that Ts Escorts want money?? Is it High Risk, or high price that is bugging you? Is this about being healthy, or who gets to be wealthy??

FK

[Wolfcap]

there was an hpv (can get it even while using a condom like herpes) article that came out recently with the whole gardisil vaccine debate. Not only can it lead to cervical cancer in women, it can lead to penile or anal (if thats your thing) cancer in men :shock:

this and the 1 in 4 teenage girl thing that came out recently is becoming sad.

anytime u fool around with any girls whos guy count is > 10, your playing eddie murphy raw style roulette. I dunno how you even find a gf after that

[trnlvr]

Chicago love Vanessa. I'm glad you are weighing in on this, thank you!

[2754tim]

doradora,reread my post.To sum it up,there's a lot of TGirl Escorts,Streetwalkers with IV drug habits.They share needles and have multiple sexual partners,more then likely on the street level (which is starting
to include craigslists).
They shoot Heroin,Coke,Meth and something else will come along.So I don't know where the "anger" is.There isn't any.Use a condomn.

[doradora]

doradora,reread my post.To sum it up,there's a lot of TGirl Escorts,Streetwalkers with IV drug habits.They share needles and have multiple sexual partners,more then likely on the street level (which is starting
to include craigslists).
They shoot Heroin,Coke,Meth and something else will come along.So I don't know where the "anger" is.There isn't any.Use a condomn.
<-failed to pink window, again.

I readed all these post on 2~3hours in first time.
I never read your post with the top of one's mind.
and now, This is perfectly my mistake. I'm sorry.

This is explain. but I will say some thing.
maybe I have many misunderstand because I'm not American.

in My Country, many Transsexual's share niddle too. just It's about Hormon.
in first time, many Transsexuals used From Hospital.
but Time goes goes goes...many Transsexuals stoped That.
and start That, They buying Hormon from Black Market, and injection her self.
and start That, She share that Niddle and Syringe used with some friends.(just I heard like That, and heard that too, almost for Money.)
because that is easy more than this(= From Hospital).
what made This Situation, They feel so tired from Jobs,Stress, and another.
and so many people of them, never live in comfort too.
about Stress and Tired, I feel That, many Transsexuals feel Despair. and They just try try try for forgot It. Allmost, maybe You(Guys) think That many transsexuals is look like Optimistic or Enjoy(+ing)life. but the Stress is very very Heavy. maybe It's always more than yours Estimation. and This is almost from Born.
- (but This is just My Think. sorry All Transsexual Sisters.)
I think, Some People never understand This. What about You?

Theirs Using Hospital is far from House(and etc).
In My Country, many Doctors can't understand Them. and Hormon is High Cost Medicines in here. This is So Stress too.(not very. but never inexpensive.)
It's burden to Many Young Transsexuals who leaving home.

I just hoped That->
Guys must understand This. do not saying about Just Transsexuals Problem.
Almost of us, really tryed ourself. even if you never seems like that.
and This Case is never be Group Vs Group Case.
and safe sex is not just about only for You or for Her.
maybe Some Transsexuals couldn't enough defend herself from HIV.
but You Can. Why sometimes you blame(and negligence) Us?

many time, Guys have stress too, and They use escort.
Almost Case, This is your(guys) enjoy for Just For Yourself.
but in this Situations, many Transsexuals is not for herself.
Now, I never try saying that She lie(+ing) to Guys.
Sometimes Guys make that really happy for(and with) Her.
but in many case, enjoy is not for Transsexual's.
and Some Transsexuals want That away from Stress.
and Some Transsexuals choose that so wrong way.
but I think that, however It's never only Transsexual's fault.


and I heard that about American's Drug Situation from TV.
but This Time, maybe I forgot It.
sorry. I don't want distort the what you mean.
recently I heard This, now iwide-spread(+ing) to Public in My Country.
but I feeled That, on the average, It's "yet".
nobody say That with open door to friends that, "I use drug."
sorry I understand, You was not anger. and I have mistake.

and this time, about All these post, maybe I could misunderstand hormon and drug niddle's percentage.(not only about your post, just all post and in america situation)


and here is one more explain too.
in here, many many Gays play SexParty with no condom too.
and some Transsexuals too.
this is made That, many peoples say that transsexuals is sleeps around.(but this is not made All fixed. just partly for transsexuals. but gay is not)
and some many Not LGBT peoples misunderstand this .
they think that this is about escort.
I feels that many time, not LGBT people think about transsexual that transsxuals is whole bacause they are abnormal sexuality.
now, publics fixed idea is many changed more than past.
it's good.
but some many people is not change. specialy Christians and straight mans.
in here, some times ago changed law about transsexual and gay.
but they had protest to strong.
and finally they successfully deleted about homosexual's law.
and some parts changed about transsexual's law.
and say that now,
"F***!! my government is changed like bull shit. they made that I never don't know about my wife who she is women or man before!!"
not true. they can know that from hers documents.
but they saying and blame to my countrys us.
It bring that my countrys thranssexuals made sharp.
many transsexuals have that It's look like allergy.
they blame-hate gay,CD/TV, and non hormon transsexual.(and gays hate transsexuals too. maybe from same reason.)
they have someone who not yet srs transsexual(but her use hormon, made breast, etc <-this is assume).
they said, "you are not women. just man or the abnormal sexuality human!.
if You want proof that You are Really Woman, You should SRS, immediate!. you made what blame us from social! fag!"
they accept just Transgender with Complete All operation, not All Transsexual.
(they look like have allergy about this word->Shemale.)

all these is picks on me. and maybe this is made me->sharp too.
and now, I feel that I'm stupid...

[Jay Jay]

For my two cents I am from NYC and at one time my job was to provide services to the AIDS infected population within the city limits. I did not find that our clientel had a high precentage of transgendered individuals. I found that the higher corelation had to do with mental illness and poverty.Risky sexual behaviors will always put people at risk. There is no need to have unprotected sex with someone who you are not monagamus with who has been tested at least three months before you loose the condom. There are flavored condems for blowjobs and flavored dental dams. Wrap your dick!

[frank]

I am not trying to disparage what you are saying, however I would like to see a more recent study on Brazilian HIV rates in TS. The health care system here in Brazil is a world leader in HIV treatment and education. If a person is HIV positive they can receive free health care as well as other public services for free (transportation and housing). The education about HIV has dramatically increased here in the last decade. Everywhere you go in Brazil you see advertisements about condom use.

That being said why would you engage in unprotected sex with any one you do not have a monogamous relationship with? Regardless of advances in pharmacology and treatment it is a life or better yet death sentence if you are infected.

I will harken back to my feelings about porn in the US. The industry should embrace condoms in all penetration porn. If it becomes the norm then it will be generally accepted by the population.

I think there is a certain segment of the population addicted to dangerous or high risk behavior. We saw on the streets of Sao Paulo 5 nights ago a guy stopped at a corner in his car. He had both windows opened. One TS was showing him her breasts and distracting him while the other was half way into his other window stealing things from his car. It is so easy to find an escort on the internet but this guy went to the streets. The Damazo forum is full of stories just like this one. I bet you will see the same guy out in the same area again this week. He likes that danger aspect.

The same can be said about the guys who get off on the no condom thing. They like the danger, it is like playing Russian roulette with out the gun.

[AverageJob]

wrap it up guys

[AngelinaTS]

If U Scared about HIV+ just use a condom for oral sex and anal sex that's what i do !

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Very predictable, a TS Escort minimizing the risk because TS Escorts want money. They are a high risk group, and to think otherwise is foolish.

Of course, you would know that, since YOU are part of the high risk group Grandpa! lol :lol:

Stop trying to be holier than anyone in the biz! Your shit stinks! :roll:

~HTG

[Hostile]

More than 1 out of 4 are hookers, try 49 out of 50 and as far as being HIV+ thats because most TS girls love ghetto boys and low life trash, as well as most TS girls have that male sexual mentality, sex on their mind 24/ 7.

[MacShreach]

How can 1 in 4 be hiv positive when the hiv test is a bogus test? .....the hiv test gives a false reading and should be outlawed.

What are you basing this surprising claim on?

[MacShreach]

Very predictable, a TS Escort minimizing the risk because TS Escorts want money. They are a high risk group, and to think otherwise is foolish.

Of course, you would know that, since YOU are part of the high risk group Grandpa! lol :lol:

Stop trying to be holier than anyone in the biz! Your shit stinks! :roll:

~HTG

Hi Hara. I hope you don't mind if I support your position here.

It is absurd and grossly offensive for male users of escorts, (courtesans, prostitutes, call as you will, I just see no point in being offensive,) to blame those escorts for the spread of STD's when the MARKET IS BROUGHT INTO EXISTENCE IN THE FIRST PLACE BY THE MEN WHO WANT TO BUY SEX THEMSELVES.

There would be NO female, ts/tv, gay or whatever escorts if MEN DID NOT PAY THEM FOR SEX. A market is created by DEMAND, not SUPPLY. You can try and sell anything you like but if no-one wants it, there is no market.

That being the case it is really really crass to start with all this "the escorts are to blame" BS. STDs are a fact of life, casual sex is high risk behaviour, and if you don't use condoms your risk, and the risk to your partners, is increased by factors in the thousands.

The level of denial on this board is frightening. There are men here who will cheerfully pay to have a dick shoved in their mouths or anuses and deny their own homosexuality, and also deny that they are a part of the problem. And that goes in spades when the men themselves--as is often the case-- will pay extra or use coercion to have unprotected sex, or pay others to have unprotected sex on camera so they can get their freak on vicariously.

A sustainable sex business--which includes direct sales and such things as porno--depends on risk management and minimisation and the simple facts are that the use of regular tests and condoms are the mainstays of that.

If you want unprotected sex, get into a monogamous relationship or use your hand. It's that simple.

AIDS exists. It kills. While survival rates have increased there is still NO CURE. Condoms save lives. They may not be a perfect solution but they are the best we have. It's not about blame, it's just about facts of life, and facing up to them. Nothing here has changed in the thirty years since AIDS arrived.

And it is NOT the girls' fault.



:soapbox

over.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Very predictable, a TS Escort minimizing the risk because TS Escorts want money. They are a high risk group, and to think otherwise is foolish.

Of course, you would know that, since YOU are part of the high risk group Grandpa! lol :lol:

Stop trying to be holier than anyone in the biz! Your shit stinks! :roll:

~HTG

Hi Hara. I hope you don't mind if I support your position here.

It is absurd and grossly offensive for male users of escorts, (courtesans, prostitutes, call as you will, I just see no point in being offensive,) to blame those escorts for the spread of STD's when the MARKET IS BROUGHT INTO EXISTENCE IN THE FIRST PLACE BY THE MEN WHO WANT TO BUY SEX THEMSELVES.

There would be NO female, ts/tv, gay or whatever escorts if MEN DID NOT PAY THEM FOR SEX. A market is created by DEMAND, not SUPPLY. You can try and sell anything you like but if no-one wants it, there is no market.




:claps Well said MacShreach!

It is likewise offensive for people who does he same for a living to critique the girls! ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[castabyss]

This thread is beyond ridiculous........I wouldn't fuck I girl I KNEW was a virgin without a condom. I've done some risky shit in the past and gotten away with it. Been tested plenty of times, but the panic eventually outweighed the euphoria, so I don't play around anymore. 1 in 4 or 1 in 4 million, if you fuck the wrong "1" raw, it's possible to get infected. And despite what some idiots may think they "know", you will NEVER really know who that "1" is.......

I did like the mention of HEP and HPV in some of these posts as they are far more virulent and Hep, at least, can kill you quite easily too.

[Shemale_luver_str8]

while 99% of shemales are hookers is a thread made to anger the girls with a ridiculously high percentage and a derogatory name at least 1 in 4 ...!!!! ......ts escorts is HIV positive. this scares the shit out of me !...... the highest rate of HIV is in the mtf trangender community. i am attracted to ts girls and i paid an escort to let me give her a bareback blowjob. i would like to see another escort in the future but with all the recent dicussion on HA about girls here saying they know girls who are HIV + and still working and with the studies i looked up about HIV in the ts cummunity i am now reluctant. i feel if a girl is HIV positive she should not be escorting! i know this is never going to be the case but i would like to know what are everyones thoughts on this topic.

All I have to say is Ive fucked around enough Im done. But if anyone ever had hiv and I found out at the last minute, or if I contracted it, someone would seriously die

[pdxcateyes]

while 99% of shemales are hookers is a thread made to anger the girls with a ridiculously high percentage and a derogatory name at least 1 in 4 ...!!!! ......ts escorts is HIV positive. this scares the shit out of me !...... the highest rate of HIV is in the mtf trangender community. i am attracted to ts girls and i paid an escort to let me give her a bareback blowjob. i would like to see another escort in the future but with all the recent dicussion on HA about girls here saying they know girls who are HIV + and still working and with the studies i looked up about HIV in the ts cummunity i am now reluctant. i feel if a girl is HIV positive she should not be escorting! i know this is never going to be the case but i would like to know what are everyones thoughts on this topic.

Clearly, you're not all that worried if you still give bareback blowjobs.
The point you make may or may not be valid. I refuse to debate it in light of the fact that you......well....sound like such an asshole. Don't do anything bareback with an escort DUMBASS!!!! And if you do, don't come on here crying the blues. Only you can keep yourself alive and well. In case you didn't know, escorting / prostitution is an illegal unregulated industry outside of Nevada. So buyer beware and if you lose, please don't complain about it.

If you really have a thing for TS girls, step your game up and stop being a client. Be a real friend / boyfriend and maybe you'll meet the perfect one for you. Amen to that Chuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MacShreach]

You can get a false positive from over 65 conditions.

If you are condemning a test on the grounds that it may throw a false positive, that just shows a) that you are in denial and b) that you don't understand how screening tests work-- the more sensitive, the higher the chance of a false positive

A false NEGATIVE is much more dangerous and no test is 100%

I think we can discount your opinion on this.

[mpcc2004]

"Once you accept that aids is a lifestyle disease you will understand it more."


I think I remember you or someone else saying something like this recently. By this logic then if I have a poor diet, don't exercise, drink excessively, and smoke 2 packs of smokes a day do I get AIDS. I don't do those things, but we all know that those things alone don't give you AIDS. The one thing in common all AIDS patients have is they are infected with the HIV virus. An unhealthy lifestyle can certainly hasten the onset of the syndrome, but does not guarantee it.

The reality is that many people died from HIV infections that turned in to full blown AIDS. To say that all of them had unhealthy lifestyles is short sighted and unrealistic. What you can say of every single person that has died of AIDS is that they were infected with HIV. Also, a healthy lifestlyle is not what is keeping many HIV+ people alive today, it is better medications accomplishing that. HIV causes AIDS, poor lifestlyle is a contributing factor.

[slinky]

You have no knowledge of aids and the lies modern medicine tells you. Stop being a sheep and learn how to think for yourself. I understand 100 percent how the test works. It is a antibody test and you get a false positive from over 65 conditions such as a flu shot, being pregnant, drug addiction, common cold, alchoholic and more. Once you accept that aids is a lifestyle disease you will understand it more. Until then do your research for the next few months and then come back with an open mind.

I hate to burst your delusional bubble, but the old test is an antibody test. The currently preferred test is an RNA test, which tests for the virus directly.


BTW This is another example of what happens when people get their news off the internet, where everyone's BS is considered equal. Check out http://www.virusmyth.com/ and take a look at who is really behind it.

[slinky]

"Once you accept that aids is a lifestyle disease you will understand it more."


I think I remember you or someone else saying something like this recently. By this logic then if I have a poor diet, don't exercise, drink excessively, and smoke 2 packs of smokes a day do I get AIDS. I don't do those things, but we all know that those things alone don't give you AIDS. The one thing in common all AIDS patients have is they are infected with the HIV virus. An unhealthy lifestyle can certainly hasten the onset of the syndrome, but does not guarantee it.

The reality is that many people died from HIV infections that turned in to full blown AIDS. To say that all of them had unhealthy lifestyles is short sighted and unrealistic. What you can say of every single person that has died of AIDS is that they were infected with HIV. Also, a healthy lifestlyle is not what is keeping many HIV+ people alive today, it is better medications accomplishing that. HIV causes AIDS, poor lifestlyle is a contributing factor.

Being a professional tennis player as a lifestyle causes AIDS (if you're black, anyway).

In a great piece of irony, it's alleged that Amanda Blake Died of AIDS (in Gunsmoke she played "Miss Kitty"). or maybe that's where the idiom originated?

Also, writing science fiction as a lifestyle will get you AIDS.

Getting pregnant and giving birth as a lifestyle will get you AIDS (or was it being married to an actor who would do "Starsky & Hutch"?).

[goldensamba]

[quote=MacShreach]
You have no knowledge of aids and the lies modern medicine tells you. Stop being a sheep and learn how to think for yourself. I understand 100 percent how the test works. It is a antibody test and you get a false positive from over 65 conditions such as a flu shot, being pregnant, drug addiction, common cold, alchoholic and more. Once you accept that aids is a lifestyle disease you will understand it more. Until then do your research for the next few months and then come back with an open mind.

Wow, you are beyond ignorant. A lifestyle disease? Oddly enough heterosexual women are becoming the new high risk category. Are you saying these are all drug using sluts who deserve to have it?

You my man are an idiot?

[castabyss]

Um, I work in the AIDS field and, yes , many conditions CAN cause a false positive, but that doesn't meant it WILL.

Secondly, any test that has false positives is not considered a bad test. For every positive test, a CONFIRMATORY test is required subsequently. Yeah, it sucks to get a false positive (I've seen a few clients, go through that), but it can be proved wrong. Anyone who accesses health care after a positive test also will receive a Viral Load test to determine their Anti-Retroviral Status or need for medication. If for some reason someone got TWO false positives and were actually negative, they would eventually find out or their VL would be deemed undetectable. If their VL is undetectable and T-Cell count remains over 200, they will not be prescribed medication.

WORTHY, it sounds like the "lies" you refer to are the pharmaceutical industry's stranglehold on the practice of medicine. While I certainly believe that (pharmaceutical and oil companies have the two most frighteningly powerful lobbies in the world), you can't sell drugs to someone that does not qualify for them. Maybe a few doctors get kickbacks for pushing HIV meds, but the subsequent health problems those very meds cause, makes it difficult for doctors to prescribe them openly. Somebody is sipping the conspiracy Kool-Aid a little too thirstly.

Third, another thing it seems you fail to realize is that a BAD test is a test that can provide a false NEGATIVE, not the other way around. For someone who claims knowledge of HIV/AIDS, I'm a little surprised at your comments.

[justatransgirl]

nevermind

[justatransgirl]

In a great piece of irony, it's alleged that Amanda Blake Died of AIDS (in Gunsmoke she played "Miss Kitty"). or maybe that's where the idiom originated?

Hey somebody who actually knows about her. I don't know how she died, but her Mother lived up the street from us and she and my Mom were friends.

TS Jamie :-)

[castabyss]

I'm going to have to choose....

1) Slut

2) Obama

Did I forget anything?

CA

[bartholomeus]

You have no knowledge of aids and the lies modern medicine tells you. Stop being a sheep and learn how to think for yourself. I understand 100 percent how the test works. It is a antibody test and you get a false positive from over 65 conditions such as a flu shot, being pregnant, drug addiction, common cold, alchoholic and more. Once you accept that aids is a lifestyle disease you will understand it more. Until then do your research for the next few months and then come back with an open mind.

I hate to burst your delusional bubble, but the old test is an antibody test. The currently preferred test is an RNA test, which tests for the virus directly.


BTW This is another example of what happens when people get their news off the internet, where everyone's BS is considered equal. Check out http://www.virusmyth.com/ and take a look at who is really behind it.

out of curiosity are you implying the website is legit or not?

[bartholomeus]

Not to make the discussion longer or to support any of the sides but to those numbers you also have to add the transmission rate.... so theres the posibility of gettig an escort with hiv+, and then the possibility of the rubber breaking(if using one), and then the HIV transmission rate. From what i've read is higher in MtM sex, and varies from 1 out of 10 and 1 out of 1000.... its still scary to know that you flirt with those possibilities.

[slinky]

danny p


If you believe that than I am happy for you. I deal with facts you deal with the corrupt words of modern medicine. I dont have to prove nothing to close minded robots who accept everything they told. All the money mainstream science has raised for aids and no progress. It's all corrupt so take it leave I am not trying convince narrow minded people.

That's a nice dogmatic statement (look it up because I'm not sure they taught that one in the 3rd grade).

Fact: you stated that the test is only for antibodies.

Fact: I pointed out that this is the old test, a direct RNA test exists.

Fact: You simply make statements with nothing to back them up and then claim you are only dealing with facts, but offer no proof.

So, what "facts" are you "dealing" with? Your comments seem like the 12 year old which you probably are, devoid of any real facts and when proven wrong, making statements like "I dont have to prove nothing to close minded robots who accept everything they told". Well, what would you call a person who took what you had to say without anything to back it up with? I've got the CDC in my corner. Who's in yours?

[goldensamba]

Wow you must feel really tough hurling insults behind the comfort of your computer. You are what a call a punk coward.

Yes because a fist fight is what is needed in this situation. You shouldn't make such ridiculous statements if you don't want anyone to call you out based on what you have written. Calling AIDS a lifestyle disease and implying that it's deserved based on te lifestyle someone leads is in fact idiotic.

[slinky]

How much is it to cross your bridge?

[MacShreach]

You have no knowledge of aids and the lies modern medicine tells you. Stop being a sheep and learn how to think for yourself. I understand 100 percent how the test works. It is a antibody test and you get a false positive from over 65 conditions such as a flu shot, being pregnant, drug addiction, common cold, alchoholic and more. Once you accept that aids is a lifestyle disease you will understand it more. Until then do your research for the next few months and then come back with an open mind.

Wow, you are beyond ignorant. A lifestyle disease? Oddly enough heterosexual women are becoming the new high risk category. Are you saying these are all drug using sluts who deserve to have it?

You my man are an idiot?

GS, see when you're quoting folks, try not to mess up the quote attributes so it suggests the ignorant, prejudiced BS uttered by nitwits like worthy2 was actually spoken by me, please.

[MacShreach]

You have no knowledge of aids and the lies modern medicine tells you. Stop being a sheep and learn how to think for yourself. I understand 100 percent how the test works. It is a antibody test and you get a false positive from over 65 conditions such as a flu shot, being pregnant, drug addiction, common cold, alchoholic and more. Once you accept that aids is a lifestyle disease you will understand it more. Until then do your research for the next few months and then come back with an open mind.

I hate to burst your delusional bubble, but the old test is an antibody test. The currently preferred test is an RNA test, which tests for the virus directly.


BTW This is another example of what happens when people get their news off the internet, where everyone's BS is considered equal. Check out http://www.virusmyth.com/ and take a look at who is really behind it.

Thank you Danny, a lonely voice of reason as ever. The problem is exacerbated because weak-minded fools in denial are prepared to believe any old BS that can be said to support their point of view, no matter how flimsy.

[MacShreach]

I deal with facts

No, you don't. You deal with hearsay, second-hand opinion and prejudice. I think we have established that you have not got a clue what you are talking about, so take some advice-- you have already demonstrated to anyone reading your BS that you are an idiot, so shut the fuck up before you prove it any more.

Tell me, do you believe in flying saucers and leprechauns as well?

[bh_boyy2]

Oh God! That's a lot of wrong information about HIV tests in this topic.
I'll try to help a little:

The tests that search for the presence of antibodies (ELISA and Western Blot) are older than the PCR based techniques, but are still the most used to confirm or rule out the presence of an infection. The Viral Load test is RT-PCR procedure, in which you have a Reverse Transcription of the HIV RNA followed by a PCR amplification of the cDNA. It is not used to confirm or rule out an infection, since it has a detection threshold of a few thousand viral copies (it is a semi-quantitative method). The gold standard for HIV detection is what can be called a qualitative PCR. In this method the DNA of lymphocytes is extracted and tested for the presence of the integrated HIV provirus (the provirus of a retrovirus virus is its "DNA form", after the reverse transcription and integration steps). This test is used only in cases where both ELISA and Western Blot tests are repeatedly negative but the patient has nonetheless convincing clinical signs of AIDS.
And by the way, when one gets a positive HIV result, it is a composite of at least two tests (usually an ELISA and a Western Blot. The former is very sensitive and the latter has a high specificity).

[MacShreach]

Oh God! That's a lot of wrong information about HIV tests in this topic.
I'll try to help a little:

The tests that search for the presence of antibodies (ELISA and Western Blot) are older than the PCR based techniques, but are still the most used to confirm or rule out the presence of an infection. The Viral Load test is RT-PCR procedure, in which you have a Reverse Transcription of the HIV RNA followed by a PCR amplification of the cDNA. It is not used to confirm or rule out an infection, since it has a detection threshold of a few thousand viral copies (it is a semi-quantitative method). The gold standard for HIV detection is what can be called a qualitative PCR. In this method the DNA of lymphocytes is extracted and tested for the presence of the integrated HIV provirus (the provirus of a retrovirus virus is its "DNA form", after the reverse transcription and integration steps). This test is used only in cases where both ELISA and Western Blot tests are repeatedly negative but the patient has nonetheless convincing clinical signs of AIDS.
And by the way, when one gets a positive HIV result, it is a composite of at least two tests (usually an ELISA and a Western Blot. The former is very sensitive and the latter has a high specificity).

Thank you, bh_boyy2. Anything that can be done to prevent gullible people falling under the sway of the kind of ridiculous denial of well-stated and repeatedly proven truth that worth2 has been pandering, is very welcome.

[MacShreach]

I stand by my facts.

What bloody facts, idiot? You have not stated ONE of those. Instead you have just spewed out dangerously ignorant bullshit in a smokescreen of complete crap designed to obscure the real, actual facts that have been stated by other people.

You are. for want of a better phrase, one really stupid cunt.

[Floyd R]

Worthy2, present some evidence or shut up. You have repeated the same mantra "hiv test is an inaccurate test and it should be outlawed" in all of your messages. You have failed to present any evidence backing your claims.



Oh God! That's a lot of wrong information about HIV tests in this topic.
I'll try to help a little:

The tests that search for the presence of antibodies (ELISA and Western Blot) are older than the PCR based techniques, but are still the most used to confirm or rule out the presence of an infection. The Viral Load test is RT-PCR procedure, in which you have a Reverse Transcription of the HIV RNA followed by a PCR amplification of the cDNA. It is not used to confirm or rule out an infection, since it has a detection threshold of a few thousand viral copies (it is a semi-quantitative method). The gold standard for HIV detection is what can be called a qualitative PCR. In this method the DNA of lymphocytes is extracted and tested for the presence of the integrated HIV provirus (the provirus of a retrovirus virus is its "DNA form", after the reverse transcription and integration steps). This test is used only in cases where both ELISA and Western Blot tests are repeatedly negative but the patient has nonetheless convincing clinical signs of AIDS.
And by the way, when one gets a positive HIV result, it is a composite of at least two tests (usually an ELISA and a Western Blot. The former is very sensitive and the latter has a high specificity).

Wrong the hiv test is an inaccurate test and it should be outlawed. This test is flawed. The inventors of this test have never been able to isolate hiv so therefore the test is bogus. Why would anyone want to take a test that is proven to be inaccurate. If someone wants to get thier bloodwork done they should get all of the std's checked. Dont listen to these 2 assholes because they would argue if it was raining just to be right.

[bkkldby]

I have never been one to trust governments, a majority of the medical profession or drug companies, but here is some interesting stuff from the

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/images/logo.gif

FYI

INFO:
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/qa19.htm

HOW IS THE DISEASE TRANSMITTED?
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/transmission.htm

PREVENTION:
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/prevention.htm

ALL ABOUT TESTING:
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/testing/qa.htm

HIV/AIDS and Men Who Have Sex with Men (MSM)
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/index.htm



Your risk of getting HIV or passing it to someone else depends on several things.

Do you know what they are?

You might want to talk to someone who knows about HIV.

You can also do the following:

* Abstain from sex (do not have oral, anal, or vaginal sex) until you are in a relationship with only one person, are having sex with only each other, and each of you knows the other’s HIV status.

o Image of condoms.If both you and your partner have HIV, use condoms to prevent other STDs and possible infection with a different strain of HIV.
o If only one of you has HIV, use a latex condom and lubricant every time you have sex.

* If you have, or plan to have, more than one sex partner, consider the following:
o Get tested for HIV. Men who have sex with other men should get tested at least once a year.
o Talk about HIV and other STDs with each partner before you have sex.
o Learn as much as you can about each partner’s past behavior (sex and drug use) and consider the risks to your health before you have sex.
o Ask your partners if they have recently been tested for HIV; encourage those who have not been tested to do so.
o Use a latex condom and lubricant every time you have sex.
o If you think you may have been exposed to another STD such as gonorrhea, syphilis, or Chlamydia trachomatis infection, get treatment. These diseases can increase your risk of getting HIV.
o Get vaccinated against hepatitis A and B viruses.

* Even if you think you have low risk for HIV infection, get tested whenever you have a regular medical check-up.

* Do not inject illicit drugs (drugs not prescribed by your doctor). You can get HIV through needles, syringes, and other works if they are contaminated with the blood of someone who has HIV. Drugs also cloud your mind, which may result in riskier sex.

* If you do inject drugs, do the following:
o Use only clean needles, syringes, and other works.
o Never share needles, syringes, or other works.
o Be careful not to expose yourself to another person's blood.
o Get tested for HIV test at least once a year.
o Consider getting counseling and treatment for your drug use.
o Get vaccinated against hepatitis A and B viruses.

* Do not have sex when you are taking drugs or drinking alcohol because being high can make you more likely to take risks.

To protect yourself, remember these ABCs:

A=Abstinence

B=Be Faithful

C=Condoms
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/images/condom.jpg
Better safe than sorry.

Better safe than Typhoid Mary ...

[lahabra1976]

Wrong the hiv test is an inaccurate test and it should be outlawed. This test is flawed. The inventors of this test have never been able to isolate hiv so therefore the test is bogus. Why would anyone want to take a test that is proven to be inaccurate. If someone wants to get thier bloodwork done they should get all of the std's checked. Dont listen to these 2 assholes because they would argue if it was raining just to be right.

The HIV test is 99.8% accurate for the oral test (OraQuick Rapid HIV-1 Antibody Test ) and about 99.6% for the blood test. You can check it for yourself at this website

http://www.natap.org/2005/HIV/122805_08.htm

But there are many others and pretty much all say the same results. Just google "hiv test" and specificity.

However, if you might have contacted HIV it could take about 2 weeks to even up to 4-6 months for antibodies to show. So the test don't rule out recent contact. So often if you had possible exposure in the last month and test comes out negative, you are recommended to retest in 4-5 months maybe even again 1 yr later.

[house]

Here's a scenario: an escort with HIV knows she's going to need alot of expensive drugs soon. she knows she might be dying in about 10 years. Will she
A: start looking for a job as a secretary and live out her last 10 years with much less fun and free time than she's used to?
B: keep escorting, maybe more than ever before, so she can see all the great sights of the world and have as much fun as she possibly can?

I'd guess B. I'll bet there hasn't been an escort in history who has stopped after finding out she has a disease. And to not use protectiong with an escort just means you are OK with HIV as long as you can have as much fun as possible right NOW.

[MacShreach]

I stand by my facts.

What bloody facts, idiot? You have not stated ONE of those. Instead you have just spewed out dangerously ignorant bullshit in a smokescreen of complete crap designed to obscure the real, actual facts that have been stated by other people.

You are. for want of a better phrase, one really stupid cunt.

You and this utopiaguide guide asshole are the 2 biggest jerkoffs on this board.

Ah, I see. Let me repeat. You are one...really...terminally...stupid...cunt, and anyone who pays a second's heed to the crap you spew is in putting their life in danger. Now fuck off back under your stone, troll. Sorry, cunt.

[DC]

everybody check out aliveandwell.org

[slinky]

everybody check out aliveandwell.org

everybody check out what happened to the founder of the above website/organization:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Maggiore

[lahabra1976]

[quote="lahabra1976"][quote=worthy2]

Modern medicine has made no progress but has raised over a billion dollars for aids. Why is that?

To Aid People? LOL

[DC]

Look do a little more research before you make a conclusion, Im not saying AIDS doesn't exist Im just saying the link between HIV and AIDS is not scientifically proven.

[lahabra1976]

It's all bull, Stop believing everything you are told.

The trouble is if I take your advice, than I simply am doing everything I am told to do and haven't changed anything. But wait maybe I am cause now I am taking your advice.

But if I don't take your advice, then I am not doing what everything I am told, but at the same time I am taking your advice if I am doing that...Ah I dont know its all too confusing now...cause I am dammed if I do and dammed if I don't...LOL

[MacShreach]

It's all bull, Stop believing everything you are told.

The trouble is if I take your advice, than I simply am doing everything I am told to do and haven't changed anything. But wait maybe I am cause now I am taking your advice.

But if I don't take your advice, then I am not doing what everything I am told, but at the same time I am taking your advice if I am doing that...Ah I dont know its all too confusing now...cause I am dammed if I do and dammed if I don't...LOL

In all cases do your research not just a google search like that skirt wearing jackass from scotland did.

Ah yes, racism. I wondered when you would concede defeat. You know I wish I had a fiver for every time I've seen a stupid, ignorant, brain-dead moron like you stoop to racism when he has lost the argument.

You have advanced NO FACTS, made no argument, and logic--you? Don't make me fucking laugh. You need a brain for that, and you were obviously hiding under the bed wanking when they handed those out in your family. Unless, of course, your father, mother, all your sisters and brothers are stupid, ignorant, racist fuckwits too, in which case we'll have to accept that the brain-delivery boy must have skipped your house. Probably didn't like the smell.

You must be feeling really good now that you've made a complete cunt of yourself, huh Sparky?

[Tomfurbs]

Don't wanna defend worthy2, because he's talking out his arse, but taking the piss out of scottish people isn't racist. For some people, it is sort of like a ...duty.

[lahabra1976]

remember that movie "Braveheart" and the king says "the trouble with Scotland is that it is full of Scotts"...I don't know all of the sudden I am reminded of that movie. Do you think he meant people who are Scotish or that is full of people named Scott...LOL nah j/k I know what it meant

[slinky]

Tomsfurbs is right.

It's not racist.

It's xenophobic.

[slinky]

Listen you jackasses the source of info you have or believe is your little yahoo and google search.

What is your source of info?

[slinky]

Listen you jackasses the source of info you have or believe is your little yahoo and google search.

What is your source of info?

[slinky]

Listen you jackasses the source of info you have or believe is your little yahoo and google search.

What is your source of info?

[MacShreach]

I really have nothing to prove

This is so true. You have already proved that you are a fuckwit. Give up while you're ahead.

[slinky]

I really have nothing to prove

Give up while you're ahead.


WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too late for that.

[slinky]

The real question is what is your source of info? Hmm let's see modern mainstream medicine that has killed more people than any world war in american history. Yea ok you dumb fuck go google again you mindless robot.

Thank you for proving my point that you are just babbling bullshit and have absolutely zero facts to back it up with, or you'd present them rather than making ad hominem attacks on anyone who actually produces real facts which contradict your blathering dogma.

You remind me of this commercial which is on TV now for this pest controller where they have some idiot saying "The best thing about it is that it's the best".

[MacShreach]

fuck you fuck your mother and fuck your half ass utopia guide. What are proving tough guy? All you are doing is getting info from yahoo. Prove you are right? You cant so shut your trap you piece of shit.

Q.E.D.