99% of shemales are hookers

[BeardedOne]

Well, first you'd need an accurate total number as a benchmark.

Then figure in Caroline Cossey, Renee Richards, Susan Stanton, Wendy Carlos, etc.

[El Nino]

In the world, or in this country, or what? Where are your data drawn from? Is this an ASSumption?

[peggygee]

Well, first you'd need an accurate total number as a benchmark.

Then figure in Caroline Cossey, Renee Richards, Susan Stanton, Wendy Carlos, etc.

Last I checked 'shemale' wa a perjorative term created by the porn
industry for marketing purposes.

If you are referring to the women above, or the vast majority of
transwomen, then your figures are horrendously inaccurate.

[desolationangel]

I think it's funny that he made a statement with no proof whatsoever and then demanded proof to say that he was wrong.

[trish]

I think it's funny that he made a statement with no proof whatsoever and then demanded proof to say that he was wrong.

Oh that's just standard procedure for bigots, dim-wits, dim-bulbs and the just generally dim.

[xfiver]

Prove me wrong.

You're a total fucking tool.

Prove me wrong.

[NadiaUSA]

Well, first you'd need an accurate total number as a benchmark.

Then figure in Caroline Cossey, Renee Richards, Susan Stanton, Wendy Carlos, etc.

Last I checked 'shemale' wa a perjorative term created by the porn
industry for marketing purposes.

If you are referring to the women above, or the vast majority of
transwomen, then your figures are horrendously inaccurate.

I don't find Shemale a perjorative term. Infighting from ugly post ops towards sexy porn girls and other pre ops is stupid.

[SXFX]

Aren't we all hookers in one way or another?
I mean I went to university I have an engineering digree but I still have to answer to my customers and assure they are happy.
So.....I guess I'm a hooker too right?
But I have to admit compared to some of the gorgeous girls here I'm just an ok looking guy with a shaved head and ok taste in clothes.

[dc_guy_75]

Prove me wrong.

Proving a negative is always impossible.

If a God existed, he would regret your existence.

Prove me wrong.

[peggygee]

Well, first you'd need an accurate total number as a benchmark.

Then figure in Caroline Cossey, Renee Richards, Susan Stanton, Wendy Carlos, etc.

Last I checked 'shemale' wa a perjorative term created by the porn
industry for marketing purposes.

If you are referring to the women above, or the vast majority of
transwomen, then your figures are horrendously inaccurate.

I don't find Shemale a perjorative term. Infighting from ugly post ops towards sexy porn girls and other pre ops is stupid.


If you are comfortable with the term she-male in reference to
yourselve, then more power to you.

Trust me when I tell that you are in the minority, as most transwomen
do not.

And sweety there ain't nothing ugly about this post op.

And yes infighting is stupid, so let's keep it cute, and on the topic, okay.

[Alyssa87]

...another guy angry he's not attractive enough to get it for free. AWWW

[NadiaUSA]

Well, first you'd need an accurate total number as a benchmark.

Then figure in Caroline Cossey, Renee Richards, Susan Stanton, Wendy Carlos, etc.

Last I checked 'shemale' wa a perjorative term created by the porn
industry for marketing purposes.

If you are referring to the women above, or the vast majority of
transwomen, then your figures are horrendously inaccurate.

I don't find Shemale a perjorative term. Infighting from ugly post ops towards sexy porn girls and other pre ops is stupid.


If you are comfortable with the term she-male in reference to
yourselve, then more power to you.

Trust me when I tell that you are in the minority, as most transwomen
do not.

And sweety there ain't nothing ugly about this post op.

And yes infighting is stupid, so let's keep it cute, and on the topic, okay.

I am a pretty shemale not an ugly transwoman. You and your holier than thou friends at wikipedia can keep that sad medical term for the stupid medical documentaries. I would rather be grouped with people leading a fun and sexy life than a bunch of boring prudes. You say I am in the minority because you want people to use the word transwoman. Well, your sales job will fail. We are sexy shemales and transsexuals not medical oddities like the transgender and transwomen would have the world think of us as.

[s-fme]

Just post your IQ rating..... that should sufficiently answer your own question.

[dan_drade]

Prove me wrong.

LOL, that has got to be the most ignorant statement i have ever heard. You ought to get out from under your computer every once in a while. Too much Internet porn can cause brain damage.

[Felicia Katt]

it looks like not even 100 per cent of shemales are shemales, let alone hookers. Your statement basically proves itself wrong without any help.

There is nothing wrong with self identifying as a shemale. There is nothing wrong with rejecting the label either, so long as its just for yourself and not others.

There is nothing wrong with being a hooker either. Everyone sells their time. Everyone sells their body, in one way or another, but not everyone can say they harm no one in doing so. A hooker and a lawyer both can screw a client, but only one wll be happy about it afterwards ;)

FK

[Chica]

Prove me wrong.

just been proved wrong :)

what you see is a general perception

[bulldog]

oh boy :? :roll: really hate to get negative, but I am in a bad mood so.......

[wbilly]

:roll:

[ballininva]

I would not say 99% but I could say alot of them are. At least the ones I meet

[T Oracle]

If you are comfortable with the term she-male in reference to
yourselve, then more power to you.

Trust me when I tell that you are in the minority, as most transwomen
do not.


By definition, melangier is correct.

The majority of TS people exist outside of the sex trade, and terms such as shemale are highly offensive. Probably to the extent of being illegal in countries with legislation protecting TS rights exists, such as the UK.

TS people in the adult enterntainment industry seem to be OK on the whole with shemale, particularly since it denotes precisely what they are selling. And the number of people in the adult entertainment business who don't escort is very, very small indeed. I can think of a few, but that is very, very few.

So why all the hoo-hah? Peggy's right, most TS people can and would object to being labelled as shemale. I'm on another board with several TS people who don't escort and it's clear they object vociferously to being labelled shemale or anything similar.

Nadia's right in the sense that people in the TS trade are smart enough to maximise their income potential. I would if I were TS and in the biz!

Big deal. In forums like this one you'll get away with using hot hung angel. Out in the big world, if you want to talk to TS people you're going to have to display some manners and some respect.

[EyeCumInPiece]

Prove me wrong.

dumb.

[ARMANIXXX]

tag for later

[peggygee]

If you are comfortable with the term she-male in reference to
yourselve, then more power to you.

Trust me when I tell that you are in the minority, as most transwomen
do not.


By definition, melangier is correct.

The majority of TS people exist outside of the sex trade, and terms such as shemale are highly offensive. Probably to the extent of being illegal in countries with legislation protecting TS rights exists, such as the UK.

TS people in the adult enterntainment industry seem to be OK on the whole with shemale, particularly since it denotes precisely what they are selling. And the number of people in the adult entertainment business who don't escort is very, very small indeed. I can think of a few, but that is very, very few.

So why all the hoo-hah? Peggy's right, most TS people can and would object to being labelled as shemale. I'm on another board with several TS people who don't escort and it's clear they object vociferously to being labelled shemale or anything similar.

Nadia's right in the sense that people in the TS trade are smart enough to maximise their income potential. I would if I were TS and in the biz!

Big deal. In forums like this one you'll get away with using hot hung angel. Out in the big world, if you want to talk to TS people you're going to have to display some manners and some respect.

T Oracle, I have to say that your response is spot on. :wink:

As a marketing term 'shemale' is a highly effective term. It conveys
very accurately to the consuming public that the person is in the
industry.

And in no uncertain terms am I trying to imply or give the impression
that being an escort or in porn is a bad thing ethically or morally.

I fully support the right of any woman pre, post, or natal to make choices
with their bodies. And I certainly understand why and how some
transwomen / transsexuals / transgenders are in the industry, particularly
with varying degrees of societal and legal barriers to employment in place.

Yet having said that there are many transsexual / trangendered who are
not in the industry. For these women the term 'shemale' isn't an accurate
term to describe them. And as has been stated, they too have the right
to decide how they chose to be identified.

We even find that many TS/TG who are in the industry prefer to be
identified just as women, or ladies, or similiar terms.

But bottom line it's the womans' choice. :shrug

[TsVanessa69]

Prove me wrong.
So sad that you are so ignorant. And who are you, and why would anybody have to prove anything to you anyway???????????????

[TsVanessa69]

I would not say 99% but I could say alot of them are. At least the ones I meet
And what is so wrong about that?????????????????????????????????

[TsVanessa69]

Well, first you'd need an accurate total number as a benchmark.

Then figure in Caroline Cossey, Renee Richards, Susan Stanton, Wendy Carlos, etc.

Last I checked 'shemale' wa a perjorative term created by the porn
industry for marketing purposes.

If you are referring to the women above, or the vast majority of
transwomen, then your figures are horrendously inaccurate.

I don't find Shemale a perjorative term. Infighting from ugly post ops towards sexy porn girls and other pre ops is stupid.
I do find the term degrading and only see it as a way to make money. Thats it. In my private life, the people I associate with just see me as a woman.Porn is a job, escorting is a job. They don't define me as a person.

[Mac_Hine]

you are the cancer killing /hungangles/

[NadiaUSA]

[quote=T Oracle]As a marketing term 'shemale' is a highly effective term. It conveys
very accurately to the consuming public that the person is in the
industry.


There you go again with your implication that ita a for gone conclusion that shemale is set in stone as porn.

The fact is most people in the world don't even know how to address us! If youare talking about within our community you still can not be sure. Perhaps your sale pitches will work someday and you will have us all declared handicaped or suffering from dillusions or grandur. Do you think a shemale or transwhatever is a woman? You are a butiful creature that God has made. Only society forced us to be called men or women.

[Chaotic]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/TheCount/smileys/52.gif

[TsVanessa69]

So sad that you are so ignorant. And who are you, and why would anybody have to prove anything to you anyway???????????????

http://tsvanessa69.com/services.htm

Irony

LOLWUT
Like I said,
So sad you are so ignorant.
Who are you?
And why would anyone have to prove anything to you anyway?

[Alyssa87]

we all know who he is!

he's that guy that calls your ad telling you 'i'd just like to hang out and get to know you" and "i'm really good looking, if you saw me you wouldnt make me pay for it."

or he hits girls up on myspace with fake or ugly pics looking for attention. then the girls drop the PAY ME bomb. and he's frustrated.

poor thing.

[Alyssa87]

oh just pay the lady! youre stroking it to vanessa's pics on her ad anyway...dont you want it?

[hugochavez]

Since melangier's number of posts is still in the single digits, it's fair to assume he a troll looking for trouble.

[CORVETTEDUDE]

Prove me wrong.

Prove your right, fuckstick!!!

[TsVanessa69]

Like I said,
So sad you are so ignorant.
Who are you?
And why would anyone have to prove anything to you anyway?

Refer to previous post hooker.

:D
I did prove you wrong though,as:
1. I am a pre-op transexual, though I live as a woman.
2. I am an escort and a showgirl, as well as a webcam model and a dinner companion. I also offer shopping companion services for tg persons.
So you were WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[redtiger]

:popcorn :popcorn :popcorn

[Hostile]

The pathetic Tricks who pay these girls for sex are just as bad as the escort herself. You tricks make these girls lazy & useless so you should not complain, your all just as bad as each other. There is a few good TS girls out there who are not for sale, you can not condemn all the girls especially if your giving them money. One hand washes the other, you tricks got nerve complaining your just as bad as the escorts you pay. You all deserve whatever you get. Eat it and shut up!

[robertCA]

Um. Is this spose to be a bad thing? The post implys making a living as an escort is bad or in some way is wrong lol ? .. Right? lol I've heard a lot of people say they love what they do lol Thats a Goal in a job! lol To Enjoy it lol To Enjoy your self and get Paid. Sounds like heavon to me lol

Where do i sign up? lol

In the great words of The Godfather: "I dont care what a person does for a living" then goes on to say as long as they dont threaten his interests etc or somthing like that lol

And nethier do I..

[Hostile]

Nice first post! No it's a great thing until you get locked up or as long as you get to wake up at the crack of 6pm or until you aint so cute anymore and you can not feed yourself. Its great to just sit around all day taking pics of yourself, posting time wasting video's on youtube like your some sort of somebody, or smoking pot with ghetto trash from da block, till a pathetic trick calls your craigs list ad. Now thats living baby. Yes you should sign up for that life if thats what you call a life, do it !

[TsVanessa69]

The pathetic Tricks who pay these girls for sex are just as bad as the escort herself. You tricks make these girls lazy & useless so you should not complain, your all just as bad as each other. There is a few good TS girls out there who are not for sale, you can not condemn all the girls especially if your giving them money. One hand washes the other, you tricks got nerve complaining your just as bad as the escorts you pay. You all deserve whatever you get. Eat it and shut up!
In what way are we lazy and useless??
Try doing what we do then talk, the fuckkin nerve!!!!!!!!!!!!! :roll:

[Hostile]

Your not useless your a productive part of this world! :wink:

[TsVanessa69]

Um. Is this spose to be a bad thing? The post implys making a living as an escort is bad or in some way is wrong lol ? .. Right? lol I've heard a lot of people say they love what they do lol Thats a Goal in a job! lol To Enjoy it lol To Enjoy your self and get Paid. Sounds like heavon to me lol

Where do i sign up? lol

In the great words of The Godfather: "I dont care what a person does for a living" then goes on to say as long as they dont threaten his interests etc or somthing like that lol

And nethier do I..
Its a job.
I have a marketable skill and I have business sense.
Now
its not as fun as you think it is.
Some of the posters righ here on HA prove that point.
But, its a job, and it pays my bills. And if I may say, I am very good at my job! So good, I am the boss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted:

[T Oracle]

Its a job.
I have a marketable skill and I have business sense.
Now
its not as fun as you think it is.
Some of the posters righ here on HA prove that point.
But, its a job, and it pays my bills. And if I may say, I am very good at my job! So good, I am the boss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted:

Exactly!!!!

[justatransgirl]

I did prove you wrong though,as:
1. I am a pre-op transexual, though I live as a woman.
2. I am an escort and a showgirl, as well as a webcam model and a dinner companion. I also offer shopping companion services for tg persons.
So you were WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ahh - me - I'm just a HOOKER - and Damn proud of it! :-)



Its a job.
I have a marketable skill and I have business sense.
Now
its not as fun as you think it is.
Some of the posters righ here on HA prove that point.
But, its a job, and it pays my bills. And if I may say, I am very good at my job! So good, I am the boss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted:

Vanessa - we don't always agree on things, but honey sometimes I just LOVE you! :-)

As for the proof - here it is. According the San Deigo Transgender Needs Assessment of 2004 approximately 30-50% of all transsexual females work in the sex industry. A study was done in Houston about 12 years ago (most recent data) and found up to 70% of local urban TS's were in sex work. The rate in a report I read once in SF was about the same.

In general younger transsexual girls have a higher percentage of numbers in the sex trade, along with higher rates of HIV, drug use, murder and sucide. Why? Lack of family and social support, lack of job skills and education leading to no chance of a decent job, or even ANY job. Older transwomen who transition later in life usually have job skills of some sort, are less likely to escort for obvious reasons, and often have alternate income sources, disability, retirement, investments, etc.

As for guys who get off debasing trans girls for hooking - here's a simple answer, don't date an escort - then let's see how much trans nooky you get. :-)

Source File:
http://www.justatransgirl.com/SanDiegoNeeds.pdf

Hugs,
TS Jamie :-)

[nevadasmith74]

Um. Is this spose to be a bad thing? The post implys making a living as an escort is bad or in some way is wrong lol ? .. Right? lol I've heard a lot of people say they love what they do lol Thats a Goal in a job! lol To Enjoy it lol To Enjoy your self and get Paid. Sounds like heavon to me lol

Where do i sign up? lol

In the great words of The Godfather: "I dont care what a person does for a living" then goes on to say as long as they dont threaten his interests etc or somthing like that lol

And nethier do I..
Its a job.
I have a marketable skill and I have business sense.
Now
its not as fun as you think it is.
Some of the posters righ here on HA prove that point.
But, its a job, and it pays my bills. And if I may say, I am very good at my job! So good, I am the boss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted:

A quick question on this. If you go to tgpersonals, you will see ads from girls looking for love and LTR's. More power to them. Most of the girls looking for love are escorts but not one describes themself as such. Why is this? Is it perhaps that these girls want to be with a man who doesn't view tgirls as sexual objects? Why would an escort not be happy dating a man that wants to be with an escort?

[justatransgirl]

A quick question on this. If you go to tgpersonals, you will see ads from girls looking for love and LTR's. More power to them. Most of the girls looking for love are escorts but not one describes themself as such. Why is this? Is it perhaps that these girls want to be with a man who doesn't view tgirls as sexual objects? Why would an escort not be happy dating a man that wants to be with an escort?

Escorts, like anyone want to love and be loved in return. And I think most girls would leave the biz if the opportunity were there.

But escorts also get the opportunity to oftentimes see men at their worst, so there is a hesitation to get too close. And there is the financial end. How does an average guy compete with a top escort who can earn $10-50,000 a month?

But you ask - "Why would an escort not be happy dating a man that wants to be with an escort?"

There's your answer right there. Why do you want to date an escort? Is it some perverse desire or fetish? Why not date a GG? If it's all about cock, why not just date a guy? "What" a girl or partner is shouldn't be part of the reason you date her, or him.

A T-girl wants to be loved by a man who loves HER - not her genitals or her gender status. And she's seen enough losers to know when a sponge is trying to attach itself and suck her dry.

OK, end of class...

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

[nevadasmith74]

A quick question on this. If you go to tgpersonals, you will see ads from girls looking for love and LTR's. More power to them. Most of the girls looking for love are escorts but not one describes themself as such. Why is this? Is it perhaps that these girls want to be with a man who doesn't view tgirls as sexual objects? Why would an escort not be happy dating a man that wants to be with an escort?

Escorts, like anyone want to love and be loved in return. And I think most girls would leave the biz if the opportunity were there.

But escorts also get the opportunity to oftentimes see men at their worst, so there is a hesitation to get too close. And there is the financial end. How does an average guy compete with a top escort who can earn $10-50,000 a month?

But you ask - "Why would an escort not be happy dating a man that wants to be with an escort?"

There's your answer right there. Why do you want to date an escort? Is it some perverse desire or fetish? Why not date a GG? If it's all about cock, why not just date a guy? "What" a girl or partner is shouldn't be part of the reason you date her, or him.

A T-girl wants to be loved by a man who loves HER - not her genitals or her gender status. And she's seen enough losers to know when a sponge is trying to attach itself and suck her dry.

OK, end of class...

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

Jamie,

You misunderstand, I don't want to date an escort. I have never visited an escort. I want to date an intelligent woman with sexuality rather than a woman who is a sexual object. The problem I run into is that the majority of women I meet are escorts. I don't view tgirls as some fetish rather as equals. I just happen to be more attracted to tgirls than gg's. thats just my sexuality.

[slinky]

Last I checked 'shemale' wa a perjorative term created by the porn industry for marketing purposes.

If you are referring to the women above, or the vast majority of
transwomen, then your figures are horrendously inaccurate.

Perhaps ironically it's a tautology then?

[slinky]

A hooker and a lawyer both can screw a client, but only one wll be happy about it afterwards ;)

FK

I heard the difference is the hooker will stop screwing you when you die.

[slinky]

99% or more of the girls on Eros are hookers, too.

If your only exposure to transsexuals is through portals where girls go to advertise themselves, then yes, you're going to find a high percentage of them selling themselves. It's sort of a corollary of the old Willie Sutton "Why do you rob banks? Because that's where the money is". Try hanging out is places where none of the TS's are working girls and your view will change.

[blckhaze]

huey freeman said it best

http://www.adultswim.com/video/?episodeID=010f6f300613daa5c7e4431d3d0b1003

[nevadasmith74]

I don't think a place for non working tgirls to hang out exists. I have been to most of the parties in NY and all had mainly working girls.

The portals I use are for people looking for LTR's, however most of the girls on there are also escorts representing themselves as something else other than escorts. Just hard to find genuine girls is the moral of the story, which I believe was the whole theme of this thread

[slinky]

Have you been to Ina's? Have you been to NoWhere Bar? have to been to any of the events for "The Center"?

[nevadasmith74]

Have been to Ina's, mainly CD's a few working girls and a few genuine girls. Havn't been to the other two places. I have heard of the NoWhere bar but I thought it was a gay bar. Is it gay with a few girls in there or other way around. Not heard of the other place, any good?

[Alyssa87]

would it be better if they were sluts who slept around with chasers for free? or settle for being secret girlfriends?

im just curious..

[soulRipp]

i will agree 99% are ho's but they want a man to love them after they been with a hundred to a thousand men

[mbf]

would it be better if they were sluts who slept around with chasers for free? or settle for being secret girlfriends?

im just curious..

It would be better if they had more self-respect, and respected those who show interest in them as well.



In what way are we lazy and useless??
Try doing what we do then talk, the fuckkin nerve!!!!!!!!!!!!! :roll:

hmmm, try doing what I do. Get up early every day, get constantly updated on my field of profession, pay taxes, have health insurance and eventually a retirement plan.

Of course, I may have only 1/4 of your disposable money per month.

[Alyssa87]

but the interest is mostly purely sexual.. lets not be naive. why should you respect someone that looking at you and thinking of your cock?
& self respect is relative so im not gonna touch on that 1.

[T Oracle]

but the interest is mostly purely sexual.. lets not be naive. why should you respect someone that looking at you and thinking of your cock?
& self respect is relative so im not gonna touch on that 1.

The interest on HA is probably 99.9% sexual. That's the nature of HA. On other boards it's different.

Got to agree with you. I certainly wouldn't respect someone that was looking at me and thinking of my cock!

[mbf]

but the interest is mostly purely sexual.. lets not be naive. why should you respect someone that looking at you and thinking of your cock?
& self respect is relative so im not gonna touch on that 1.

Why should someone respect you then? After all, I take it you are in the sex-trade as well. You offer your body. There is nothign wrong with that, but clearly, as long as you are a hooker, you won't attract a man with an actual career who will be sincere, if you are as well.

And I am not even touching you highly prejudice statement of yours that any guy showing interest in you MUST see you as a cock with a girl attached to it (in all fairness, that's not what you actually wrote, but I suspect that's what you ment)

That's actually something which by now bores me really. Are you a tranny in the sex-trade, yet lament about "chasers" and "cockhounds"? Why not show a little bit of consistency and LEAVE the sex trade, if the "chasers" are so bad.

At least, stop the bitching, after all, it's what YOU have chosen, so live with the consequences, or change the cause of your anger and insecurities.

[ARMANIXXX]

I'm back.....and now I'll read my morning entertainment.

lol

[ARMANIXXX]

For the record,

I live in the Bay Area, obviously,

and I've been seeing some TS's.....mostly ones that don't work. I'm not sure what the climate is for other cities, but there are certainly avenues here for TS's to get real 9 to 5's and not have to be hookers. Of course, there are lots of hooking TS's here too, but it is entirely there own choice. Here, a ts girl could walk down to a Verizon store or something, apply, get the job and make 45K a year with benefits and live ok. Lots of them in fact do.

At any rate, I don't know if this is the proof the OP is asking for, but, perhaps it can be put into the evidence bucket.

[Chaotic]

For the record,

I live in the Bay Area, obviously,

and I've been seeing some TS's.....mostly ones that don't work. I'm not sure what the climate is for other cities, but there are certainly avenues here for TS's to get real 9 to 5's and not have to be hookers. Of course, there are lots of hooking TS's here too, but it is entirely there own choice. Here, a ts girl could walk down to a Verizon store or something, apply, get the job and make 45K a year with benefits and live ok. Lots of them in fact do.

At any rate, I don't know if this is the proof the OP is asking for, but, perhaps it can be put into the evidence bucket.

As I figured, albeit the OP's account has been deleted. I'm sure he'll be back under an alt, though. ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/TheCount/smileys/gifs/opvc06-1.gif

[peggygee]

I don't think a place for non working tgirls to hang out exists. I have been to most of the parties in NY and all had mainly working girls.

The portals I use are for people looking for LTR's, however most of the girls on there are also escorts representing themselves as something else other than escorts. Just hard to find genuine girls is the moral of the story, which I believe was the whole theme of this thread

As I am a addict (11 years clean) and middle-aged I wouldn't tend to be
in a bar, maybe a jazz supper club.

Even when I did get out more, I didn't hang in gay or drag clubs.

Now if I meet someone it might be in a bookstore, on the bus or train, in
Church, maybe at a professional seminar or conference. I never date
people from my job though.

For me, online dating sites seem to not always get me the best results,
whether it's transrelated ones or mainstream ones like Match.com, or
True.com, etc.

TS Girlfriend's not too bad.

TG Matchmaker - booty calls

AFF - definetely booty calls

LVTG - booty call

TSMatch -they're not too bad

Match.com, True.com are always cyber pimping,
filling my email with bs

TSGirlfriend, and TSMatch seem to have people that are looking for
LTRs, and TGirltalk is a maybe for meeting someone, and is great for
convo.

There were a few Myspace groups that have people looking for LTRs.

I remember tgpersonals, met a few decent people, but then the
site fell off.

And finally to the guys, if there is no face pic, or a dick pic, there will be no convo. :smh

[ARMANIXXX]

I don't think a place for non working tgirls to hang out exists. I have been to most of the parties in NY and all had mainly working girls.

The portals I use are for people looking for LTR's, however most of the girls on there are also escorts representing themselves as something else other than escorts. Just hard to find genuine girls is the moral of the story, which I believe was the whole theme of this thread

As I am a addict (11 years clean) and middle-aged I wouldn't tend to be
in a bar, maybe a jazz supper club.

Even when I did get out more, I didn't hang in gay or drag clubs.

Now if I meet someone it might be in a bookstore, on the bus or train, in
Church, maybe at a professional seminar or conference. I never date
people from my job though.

For me, online dating sites seem to not always get me the best results,
whether it's transrelated ones or mainstream ones like Match.com, or
True.com, etc.

TS Girlfriend's not too bad.

TG Matchmaker - booty calls

AFF - definetely booty calls

LVTG - booty call

TSMatch -they're not too bad

Match.com, True.com are always cyber pimping,
filling my email with bs

TSGirlfriend, and TSMatch seem to have people that are looking for
LTRs, and TGirltalk is a maybe for meeting someone, and is great for
convo.

There were a few Myspace groups that have people looking for LTRs.

I remember tgpersonals, met a few decent people, but then the
site fell off.

And finally to the guys, if there is no face pic, or a dick pic, there will be no convo. :smh



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I don't know about you Peggy,

But Craigslist Casual/Personal section seems to be tried and true for me.

Holla back if you make it to the Bay Area. :wink:

[peggygee]

I don't know about you Peggy,

But Craigslist Casual/Personal section seems to be tried and true for me.

Holla back if you make it to the Bay Area. :wink:

I don't know, meeting someone off of Craigslist makes me think I'm
going to end up missing and on a milk carton. :shock:

Then too I'm trying to get wifed up.

But I will be in Cali at some point with fam, maybe you and I could do lunch.

[Tomfurbs]

"Trannies stink. They stink. They're evil, and they're all bad. All of them. They're backstabbers... like you."





The moronic nature of the internets insists that I add this caveat:

This is a humourous quote from the motion picture 'Buffalo '66'. In no way is it meant to imply that trannies stink. It is merely posted for humourous purposes. The poster has friends who are trannies, and they do not stink. If any trannies do stink, are evil and all bad and a backstabber, then it is purely coincedental to this post.

[Alyssa87]

but the interest is mostly purely sexual.. lets not be naive. why should you respect someone that looking at you and thinking of your cock?
& self respect is relative so im not gonna touch on that 1.

Why should someone respect you then? After all, I take it you are in the sex-trade as well. You offer your body. There is nothign wrong with that, but clearly, as long as you are a hooker, you won't attract a man with an actual career who will be sincere, if you are as well.

And I am not even touching you highly prejudice statement of yours that any guy showing interest in you MUST see you as a cock with a girl attached to it (in all fairness, that's not what you actually wrote, but I suspect that's what you ment)

That's actually something which by now bores me really. Are you a tranny in the sex-trade, yet lament about "chasers" and "cockhounds"? Why not show a little bit of consistency and LEAVE the sex trade, if the "chasers" are so bad.

At least, stop the bitching, after all, it's what YOU have chosen, so live with the consequences, or change the cause of your anger and insecurities.

Nope! Not me babe.
Not that its any of your business, but I live in suburbia and go to college full time. And I still live with mommy who loves and accepts me completely.
I’m not whining about my life and situation!
I’ve even had pretty good luck in dating. many college guys are more open minded than any of us think. I’ve been on some great dates- where the whole time was spent outside of a private place. no sex. & no money exchanged.

Have I done my dirt? of course. but I’m not who you CLEARLY think I am.

I’m speaking for my sisters! I know if my mom wanted to, she could turn my life upside down and i could be working ads out of hotel rooms everyday- virtually homeless tomorow. Shes all i really have.
And one doesn’t have to be a genius to guess what’s probably on the mind of a man when he's kicking to a ts. on HA or not.
Take a look @ my myspace. NO SLUTTY PICS. No risqué graphics or backgrounds. My blogs are original poetry and prose and on their own- dont attract 'that' kind of attention. But rest assured, i get filthy emails from men who know I’m a ts just about everyday.

you dont need to be in any particular industry to be badgered by chasers and cockhounds.



...you just have to look like a LITTLE BOY UP IN DRAGS :lol:

[ARMANIXXX]

but the interest is mostly purely sexual.. lets not be naive. why should you respect someone that looking at you and thinking of your cock?
& self respect is relative so im not gonna touch on that 1.

Why should someone respect you then? After all, I take it you are in the sex-trade as well. You offer your body. There is nothign wrong with that, but clearly, as long as you are a hooker, you won't attract a man with an actual career who will be sincere, if you are as well.

And I am not even touching you highly prejudice statement of yours that any guy showing interest in you MUST see you as a cock with a girl attached to it (in all fairness, that's not what you actually wrote, but I suspect that's what you ment)

That's actually something which by now bores me really. Are you a tranny in the sex-trade, yet lament about "chasers" and "cockhounds"? Why not show a little bit of consistency and LEAVE the sex trade, if the "chasers" are so bad.

At least, stop the bitching, after all, it's what YOU have chosen, so live with the consequences, or change the cause of your anger and insecurities.

Nope! Not me babe.
Not that its any of your business, but I live in suburbia and go to college full time. And I still live with mommy who loves and accepts me completely.
I’m not whining about my life and situation!
I’ve even had pretty good luck in dating. many college guys are more open minded than any of us think. I’ve been on some great dates- where the whole time was spent outside of a private place. no sex. & no money exchanged.

Have I done my dirt? of course. but I’m not who you CLEARLY think I am.

I’m speaking for my sisters! I know if my mom wanted to, she could turn my life upside down and i could be working ads out of hotel rooms everyday- virtually homeless tomorow. Shes all i really have.
And one doesn’t have to be a genius to guess what’s probably on the mind of a man when he's kicking to a ts. on HA or not.
Take a look @ my myspace. NO SLUTTY PICS. No risqué graphics or backgrounds. My blogs are original poetry and prose and on their own- dont attract 'that' kind of attention. But rest assured, i get filthy emails from men who know I’m a ts just about everyday.

you dont need to be in any particular industry to be badgered by chasers and cockhounds.



...you just have to look like a LITTLE BOY UP IN DRAGS :lol:


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Just out of curiosity, Alyssa87,

Since you are fairly new here to HA, I was wondering if you wouldn't mind giving me your definition of a Tranny Chaser.

What is a Tranny Chaser?

Thanks.

[peggygee]

Just out of curiosity, Alyssa87,

Since you are fairly new here to HA, I was wondering if you wouldn't mind giving me your definition of a Tranny Chaser.

What is a Tranny Chaser?

Thanks.

"Be vwerry quiet"

"I'm chasing twannies"

"Hehh, hehh, hehhh" http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/elmer2.jpg

:roll:

Sorry I haven't used this one in a long time....

[Alyssa87]

i love your tone. let me just say that.

to me a chaser is just a womanizer... a trans-womanizer.
isnt looking for anything serious. just the conquest.
a purely sexually driven man.

[slinky]

Isn't that repetitively redundant? ;)

[peggygee]

Isn't that repetitively redundant? ;)

One of dem tautologies again eh? :wink:

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=465164&highlight=#465164

But seriously, it's the nature of the beast. It's the males' biological
imperative to spread his seed as much as possible to ensure his
lineage.

It's up to us as women, trans or natal to say 'yes or no' that we are
willing to bed down with them.

But yeah just about any man will 'hit it' if we let them.

[tstv_lover]

Why should someone respect you then? After all, I take it you are in the sex-trade as well. You offer your body. There is nothign wrong with that, but clearly, as long as you are a hooker, you won't attract a man with an actual career who will be sincere, if you are as well.

And I am not even touching you highly prejudice statement of yours that any guy showing interest in you MUST see you as a cock with a girl attached to it (in all fairness, that's not what you actually wrote, but I suspect that's what you ment)

That's actually something which by now bores me really. Are you a tranny in the sex-trade, yet lament about "chasers" and "cockhounds"? Why not show a little bit of consistency and LEAVE the sex trade, if the "chasers" are so bad.

At least, stop the bitching, after all, it's what YOU have chosen, so live with the consequences, or change the cause of your anger and insecurities.

As someone who's previous been in a LTR with an ex-prostitute, I know some of the hostility and discrimination she faced. When "normal" avenues of revenue earning are closed or riddled with discrimination then alternatives are more attractive. She didn't enter prostitution through any great desire, remained there through habit but was very happy to leave.

The message coming through over and over is "Walk in my shoes before you judge me". I think that's sound advice.

[mbf]

As someone who's previous been in a LTR with an ex-prostitute, I know some of the hostility and discrimination she faced. When "normal" avenues of revenue earning are closed or riddled with discrimination then alternatives are more attractive.

Don't assume you are the only one there. I have seen it first hand. And the escort-route was usually the "way of least resistance". Usually that's the way most humans will follow unfortunately, because it got the quickest reward, but fails in the long run.




The message coming through over and over is "Walk in my shoes before you judge me". I think that's sound advice.

Yes, and that's why I will never consider dating an escort again. In fact, considering dating a tranny in general, due to the "escorting on the side" thingie, as well as the rampant promiscuity on planet tranny. Another taboo-aspect which is not beeing spoken much about.

Some of the TS are quick to point the finger at the "chaser" when they themselves jump from bed to bed.

[Shining Star]

First it may be a bit helpful to sort out "shemale" from transexuals who work, as there are many, many persons who only put on a dress and make-up because they've figured out men will pay more to munch trade if it is surrouned by something (however remotely) feminine.

Before the Meat Packing district in NYC was cleaned up , there were lots of, well to be polite men in dresses, who did quite well for themselves working the stroll. One 6' some odd inches blk brother with a linebacker's build would put on pumps, a short skirt and belly t-shirt and would do "her" thing. She had customers lined up for blocks.

Now to say all "transgendered" or even 99% are involved in the sex trade is probably a gross inflation of numbers. Perhaps the ones the OP and most persons come into contact with are "working", but there are many, many, more who are not involved with the sex trade, much less the trannie scene. That is the reason one hears all the time "why can't I find....": well they don't want to be bothered with much of the nonesense and such that goes with the scene, and remain stealth.

Today has never been a better time, despite much discrimination to be a trannie. As another poster stated, jobs can be had (Verizon, Bank of America, Microsoft for starters), and though as stated discrimination still exsists, things are vastly better than 20 or even 10 years ago. There are also many trannies who have taken pages from gays and others and started their own businesses.

The problems one sees in the trannie culture, are no different than society at large. If one is brought up in an accepting environment, with a loving and supportive family and or circle of friends, a good stable financial condition, and more importantly a good set of values, then that trannie (just like white gay males), is likely to have a good education, go on to college (as many are), and lead a productive life. What we are seeing today however is many young blk, latino, poor and other minorities being chucked out into the streets with little more than their bodies and street smarts to survive. The other problem is many of these same are coming out of the foster care system, either maxing out because of age, being thrown out or neglected because of their gender expression, or tried of being abused within the system. For such persons, using what you have to get what you need is not totally uncommon, so they see working as a legitimate career.

Without a proper education, social skills, and support network, it is hard for anyone, much less a trannie to get anywhere, especially in the United States where much attention is paid to people doing for themselves, rather than relying upon the state to provide.

Men who date trannies are also a huge part of the problem. One hears all the time about men seeking a TS for LTR, but reality on the ground is another matter. By and large 99% of the men out there are looking to hit and run. They see trannies as some sort of fetish to be satisfied when the itch needs to be scratched, then forgotten until the next time. Just look at the tag lines, names, and other information men post here and other sites where trannies can be found. It most always relates to sex, not to the person. That is they have reduced trannies to a sexual object instead of a human being. Many trannies are spoken to, about, and treated by men in ways they would NEVER treat a GG, especially one they wished to have any sort of LTR with. The message often is "yes I want you, but you can't come in the front door".

Back in the day there were lots of parties, clubs and such where one could go to hang out. Trannies and those that loved them could dance, chat, drink, etc. Sure there were some hook-ups, and some working, but nothing like it is today. It is because of the heavy working/sexual aspect of the scene today, it is hard to find anyone who is not either working or looking for someone who is. I'm sorry, I don't want to go to a club and get pawed over by men who assume because I am there I MUST be on the game or willing to let them do what they please because after all I am a trannie and I am there.

From many girls point of view, they might as well charge, since by and large the only thing many men into trannies want is sex. Every TS goes through the same thing at least once or twice: one meets a guy at a club, bar, at the gym, whatever and he is cool with one's "T". It is almost a given the first date will involve sex, and subsequent "dates go like this: "Hello, I'm on your corner/in your area, can I come over"? Those booty calls arrive any time of day or night, often one can smell another woman on the guy, which means he left is GG and came to you for sex. Once that is over with, he is out the door, calling the GG on the phone saying how much he "misses her" or some such and leaving you feeling like an easy tramp.

Then there are the save the world trannie daters. The ones who work the fact one is a trannie into every single conversation. Telling all and sundry how happy they are for their friends and family to know you are a trannie and that they are dating you openly. On one level this is probably fine, but it reduces one to some sort of OxFam person, in need of charity.

Have said it before and will say it again, the transgender community dating wise is one that is by and large built on illusions. You have girls who wish to be seen as such, sought out by men who want girls that engage in gay "male" sex. It is no wonder why there is so much confusion and hurt feelings.

Sad thing about girls working is that many men, gay, st8 and otherwise do not like prossies. Oh they will sleep with them, and may even hang with them, but for the most part do not consider them as "wife" material. You ask men about dating Penthouse Pets, or escorts and they will say while they would have sex with them in a NY minute, introducing them to intimate friends and family just isn't going to happen, much less any sort of LTR outside of just sex.

[peggygee]

Sad thing about girls working is that many men, gay, st8 and otherwise do not like prossies. Oh they will sleep with them, and may even hang with them, but for the most part do not consider them as "wife" material. You ask men about dating Penthouse Pets, or escorts and they will say while they would have sex with them in a NY minute, introducing them to intimate friends and family just isn't going to happen, much less any sort of LTR outside of just sex.




Men who date trannies are also a huge part of the problem. One hears all the time about men seeking a TS for LTR, but reality on the ground is another matter. By and large 99% of the men out there are looking to hit and run.

They see trannies as some sort of fetish to be satisfied when the itch needs to be scratched, then forgotten until the next time. Just look at the tag lines, names, and other information men post here and other sites where trannies can be found. It most always relates to sex, not to the person. That is they have reduced trannies to a sexual object instead of a human being. Many trannies are spoken to, about, and treated by men in ways they would NEVER treat a GG, especially one they wished to have any sort of LTR with. The message often is "yes I want you, but you can't come in the front door".




SS, in your post above you have made a number of powerful, and
poignant points as you always do.

I was actually going to start a thread about this and I may still do so.

Many, many times I have seen post after post by men to the loveliest
and sometimes sweetest of the women of the forum that:

"I sure would love to fuck her". "I would love her to fuck me". "She's the
flyest tranny I have ever seen". "I'd hit it". One poster even said he
"would eat her shit", and so on, and so forth.

Rarely do I ever hear the guys saying "I sure would like to wife you up",
or be something less than just a penis receptacle to me.

Maybe y'all do it in the IMs. :shrug

[ilove2swallow]

ALL in ALL, YES, all shemales / trannys are hookers.
NO watered down crap... shemales are just flings for money and they know it!

EXCUSE ME.... 99%

[Shining Star]

ALL in ALL, YES, all shemales / trannys are hookers.
NO watered down crap... shemales are just flings for money and they know it!

EXCUSE ME.... 99%Since YOU pay for those services, that makes you a whoremonger. So in the grand scheme of things don't think you have any right to take any sort of high moral gound. After all that is what cost a certian governor his position.

SS

[slinky]

a bunch of stuff.

That really was a great, coherent, well thought out, honest account of what a lot of the scene was, is and probably will be. Great fucking posting.

[tstv_lover]

ALL in ALL, YES, all shemales / trannys are hookers.
NO watered down crap... shemales are just flings for money and they know it!

EXCUSE ME.... 99%

You're view isn't going to change while you continue chasing transsexual girls for what they are rather than who they are.

My advice, for what it's worth...Take time to meet a transsexual girl, buy her a meal and just talk with her - get to know her without sex and you might be surprised, both with her and with yourself.

[Shining Star]

What all these posters calling girls/trannies hookers and ho's don't seem to realise is that if they didn't pay the girls wouldn't be prossies. But then again these same men wouldn't get many if any girls to even breathe on them much less lay with them if they didn't pay. Well they could go the whole dating ritual, but even there they might not be sucessful in obtaining their main goal.

So let us be real clear on this matter, when it comes to trannies, for the most part you men are getting what you want and deserve. Don't like paying a girl for sex? Well stop hanging around "porn" sites, parties and such running game and, get out there and try to find a girl and treat her the way you would persue any woman you respected, cared for and wished to begin a relationship based on more than just sex.

Now that the peels of laughter have died down, we all know the above are not going to happen. What many guys who complain about all trannies being "workers" are really upset about is that the girls have got their number. You see we know all you men want "gay sex", and you want it on the down low, and you want it in such a manner you can convince yourself you are not "gay".

I'd charge your happy behinds as well, if you rang me up at 2AM in the morning asking to "come over". Then after we hit it you are out the door as if suddenly you discovered I had the plague or something. I mean there are thousands of girls, women, trannies, and men all over the Interent and newspapers who get paid good money for what I just gave away. Things would be different if I called YOU up and instigated a booty call, but many guys act as if a trannie has nothing to do but hang around on tenter hooks until they show up.

[muhmuh]

Many, many times I have seen post after post by men to the loveliest
and sometimes sweetest of the women of the forum that:

"I sure would love to fuck her". "I would love her to fuck me". "She's the
flyest tranny I have ever seen". "I'd hit it". One poster even said he
"would eat her shit", and so on, and so forth.

Rarely do I ever hear the guys saying "I sure would like to wife you up",
or be something less than just a penis receptacle to me.

Maybe y'all do it in the IMs. :shrug

if were honest though what exactly would you expect as a response to nude pics on a porn centric board?
that said if youll excuse me ill go back to my own little moral high ground and feel good about myself for never posting any of these lines

[Chaotic]

You know, I'm surprised one of the girls hasn't posted a "99 % of all men are chasers; prove me wrong!" thread. Where's Kelly Shore when ya need her? :lol:

[Jay Jay]

For the posters here I am sorry that some of you have only encountered working girls in your Quest for transgender individuals. Certainly there are certain places that you go that will be how it is. I dont blame them though. Guys are horny and often approach like assholes. I would say I have paid about 16% of the time. But guys have to understand that it is expensive to be beautiful. There are some TGs that with hormones alone will appear more feminine but for many it takes more than that. I dont see why it is hard for some people just to act decently. Some of the posts I have read here must make some of the TGs here feel like the freek show. One piece of advice I got from the lovely Jade when I was heading to Atlanta was just to be like I would be to any female. But also to remember many in the TG community have been ostracised partially for being seen as gay and as being seen as other by the gay community. When I was in Atlanta I found a lot of TGs were sceptical of my intentions of offering a drink. But that is like the same with a GG. I am from Queens NY and I have ran into a lot of working girls but I have also met a lot of non working girls. So to the discouraged there are a lot more than 1% and to those who want free ass try a crack head or a meth head.