Is Shemale Porn a gateway for straight guys to gay porn?

[magicone]

I never had inclinations towards other males growing up. I still don't, but when I was able to accept and enjoy Shemale porn gradually I could tolerate and enjoy gay porn almost as well. I'm just wondering if I'm the only guy who has experienced this.

[Nowhere]

I believe sexuality is what someone is born with.

All tgirl porn does is "tear down the walls" of what already exists.

At the bare minimum, you were probably bi, all along...

[cockgobbler]

Interesting question. I have never had a desire to watch a gay porno. It just doesn't appeal to me. Even with transsexual porn, I prefer to watch the scenes where the tgirl is the bottom.

[ottorocket]

As a "strait guy" who's been looking at TG porn for years... i can tell you no. Never had the desire to get into gay porn because of some slippery slope theory about sexuality. Sexuality is complex, distinctive and not black and white. I dont consider myself "bi" as that insinuates i like men...and TG women to me aren't men, they are women with a biological difference, but spend any time with a full time trans lady and you wont be confused between a man and her.

[Minutemouse9]

Only if your gay

[punkox]

Nope... just cause you watch ts porn doesn't mean you're gay. You're just partially gay... like partially pregnant... or partially dead.

[punkox]

Gotta go... YMCA's on the radio.

[GroobySteven]

Never had the inclination to watch gay porn.

[mbf]

shemale porn is a gateway for sticky hands and lots of wasted sperm.

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[callahac]

Not a gateway, but Iwould say it definitely stirs feelings that were already there and suppressed. I went from shemale to gay porn to having gay sex. So it brought out what was already in me.

I still like girls and but I much prefer having sex with tgirls or guys. And more and more I am looking at gay stuff more than shemale stuff.

[will802]

yeah just like marijuana is a gateway for harder drugs..... not at all...

[SteamMillenia]

Most likely only if you're so inclined already. Gays just don't do it for me; if anything t-girls have probably extinguished any curiosity I may have once had. All I know is when I see a picture like below, all I see is a hot babe with a prop. In fact, his arm is blocking part of my view.

[magicone]

If you all don't think Shemale Porn = Gay Porn Jr. you're in denial. somebody with a dick and balls fucking somebody in the ass who also has a dick and balls is gay sex. You can't sugar coat it.

[Nowhere]

If you all don't think Shemale Porn = Gay Porn Jr. you're in denial. somebody with a dick and balls fucking somebody in the ass who also has a dick and balls is gay sex. You can't sugar coat it.

I don't think it exactly works that way. Sexuality isn't so black and white. There's a whole lot of gray in the middle. I'd say for those who are truely inclined to be with men (whether they're bi or full-on gay) then it's definitely slowly easing them into that. However, maybe someone's only somewhat leaning that way and just likes the female form with something more, they may never go any bit further. I really think Kinsey was right in setting degrees of what you're inclined to, although he was fairly primitive, at that.

And, that's not even getting into the category of guys who just want sex to be "the different, the better" and sees tgirls as a natural extension away from bland vanilla sex.

In other words, the whole "slippery slope" thing is just BS.

Sure, if you were gay to start, whether it is through tgirls or anything else in the world, you're going to end up being that way, but it's not the porn that's doing it, it's YOU that's doing it...

[ezed]

Is Shemale Porn a gateway for straight guys to gay porn?

Another, are you gay thread? B-1 has exhausted his supply of $3 bills.

Might as well ask, Is Shemale Porn a gateway for straight guys to beastiality, poop porn, s&m, vegetable porn, foot porn, .... Damn, when will people stop have a concrete answer to everything?

You're like a bunch of fucking accountants! EVERYTHING MUST BE EITHER A DEBIT OR CREDIT AND FIT IN THE PROPER COLUMN!!!! OR ...OR THERE CAN BE NO ORDER!!!

Give it up, everyone is different. No matter how you try, they don't fit in categories. There is no order. Live with it.

SOME ARE! SOME AREN'T! HOW MANY ARE????? WHO GIVES A FUCK!!
Spend your limited time on earth fucking or getting fucked by a person or vegetable of your choice!

[trish]

Actually it's a scienterrific fact that Shemale Porn is a gateway from Gay Porn to Straight Porn. That why CBN has just sealed a deal to air Shemale Porn flicks every Wednesday night from midnight 'til dawn.

[ezed]

Actually it's a scienterrific fact that Shemale Porn is a gateway from Gay Porn to Straight Porn. That why CBN has just sealed a deal to air Shemale Porn flicks every Wednesday night from midnight 'til dawn.

Thank God! There is a God! :wink:

[buta]

My wife and I get off watching shemale porn and I'm not interested in men (I tried years ago and it just wasn't interesting to me). I have a breast and nipple fetish, so when I watch ladyboy porn, I am turned on by the feminine attributes of the actresses, and at the same time I know exactly what pleasure they are experiencing through their cocks. Sort of like the old joke that boys and girls tell each other about "having a cock or boobs" for just one day.

If the situation ever arose, I would have no problem having a threeway with a ladyboy.

[Prospero]

Well this is an interesting question. I got into Transexuals in the first place via a pic i saw in a British magazine more than 20 years ago. Had never imagined anything like transexuals until then and eventually i got to see one and have not looked back since. But is this a portal into gayness/ I don't think so. As someone else said I think you are born as you are and life is a process of hiding or realising it. A sort of sexual nature v nurture. I have experimented with gayness. I have now seen over the past 20 years three male escorts. The first time I gave him the money and left without us even getting started. The maleness was overpowering. The second time was with a chinese guy who had long hair. So it was sorta closer to TS/TV. However I did not enjoy it. All I could think about was "how soon with this be over." The third time was with a domme gay black escort. I was horrible. I fled eventually before either of us completed complaining I felt ill. So i think I've explored that potential part of me out. i Love TV and TS girls, love being a bottom and love RGs also. But I am NOT attracted to men in male guise. I suspect this is true of lots of us here.

[TheMan]

No, I'm not gay. Gay porn is disturbing to me. I'm not hateful towards it, but I just can't watch it because I find it personally disgusting. However, when I'm watching shemale porn the girl HAS to be HIGHLY feminine removing all doubt that that they were once male. It's complex. I also can't watch small tit shemale porn. I can't even watch Asian shemale porn...

So no, it isn't a gateway. I'm not interested in men, and I will never be.

[Mac_Hine]

If you all don't think Shemale Porn = Gay Porn Jr. you're in denial. somebody with a dick and balls fucking somebody in the ass who also has a dick and balls is gay sex. You can't sugar coat it.

of course. so many people on this board are in denial, it's fucking hilarious. tranny porn is about 8.1/10 on the gay meter. and who gives a shit, it's hot.

[callahac]

If you all don't think Shemale Porn = Gay Porn Jr. you're in denial. somebody with a dick and balls fucking somebody in the ass who also has a dick and balls is gay sex. You can't sugar coat it.

of course. so many people on this board are in denial, it's fucking hilarious. tranny porn is about 8.1/10 on the gay meter. and who gives a shit, it's hot.

I totally agree and am cool with it. I never met a cock I didn't like

[uk-guy]

i hate this gay debate whether it means viewing ts-porn makes you gay or not my personal opinion is that i am attracted to transsexuals plain and simple for me it probably goes back to my cross dressing when i was younger i am not attracted to men in general its simple as that.

[Verity]

Actually it's a scienterrific fact that Shemale Porn is a gateway from Gay Porn to Straight Porn. That why CBN has just sealed a deal to air Shemale Porn flicks every Wednesday night from midnight 'til dawn.

Well, this is as good a place as any to first post... I can actually say this is TRUE. For me, at least. I somehow had already gotten into gay porn before even HAVING a sexuality to speak of, and thanks to transsexual porn, I did genuinely go from gay to bisexual. :) After looking at TS stuff long enough, it wasn't TOO far of a stretch to switch to GGs.

[Ratbutt]

If you all don't think Shemale Porn = Gay Porn Jr. you're in denial. somebody with a dick and balls fucking somebody in the ass who also has a dick and balls is gay sex. You can't sugar coat it.

of course. so many people on this board are in denial, it's fucking hilarious. tranny porn is about 8.1/10 on the gay meter. and who gives a shit, it's hot.

Eye of the beholder kids...

"Somebody with a dick a balls fucking somebody with tits, soft skin and long hair"=Straight sex? Then Tranny Porn=Straight porn!?!?!

For me the threshold is "Hairy Man Ass" - if a dick is plowing into HMA regardless of Tits & Femininity that is some gay shizat!

Keep your values off my pecker!

[Celeste]

Unfortunately... Mac Hine, and Magic One.. are right :( I mean, no matter how beautiful, feminine, curvacious, or passable, transexuals are... we are born male. Regardless of how big our boobs are, how big our asses are, how long our hair is, how soft we are, how many surgeries... still were born male, with a male mentality! You guys love that we are as horny as you are. Male on male action = gay sex, no matter how you try to analyze or justify it. You are fucking ASS! Someone with a cock and balls, and testosterone. And thats what you like! Well atleast the cock & balls part :wink: Wether you are sucking it, touching it, getting fucked by it, or just knowing its there. And YAY! for you guys who say... I like them for their beauty, femininity, exoticness, sex appeal, etc... :|

A MALE with a cock and balls, fucking a WOMAN... tits + soft skin+ long hair + a PUSSY = STRAIGHT SEX :banghead

I was in denial about this for along time also. I always wanted to believe I was with a straight guy, but when it comes down to the nitty gritty! :sadcry

[MrsKellyPierce]

No you fool, unless a guy likes to see a flatchested, deep voiced, hairy assed, guy getting it......




Oh wait lmao

[blackrob]

Unfortunately... Mac Hine, and Magic One.. are right :( I mean, no matter how beautiful, feminine, curvacious, or passable, transexuals are... we are born male. Regardless of how big our boobs are, how big our asses are, how long our hair is, how soft we are, how many surgeries... still were born male, with a male mentality! You guys love that we are as horny as you are. Male on male action = gay sex, no matter how you try to analyze or justify it. You are fucking ASS! Someone with a cock and balls, and testosterone. And thats what you like! Well atleast the cock & balls part :wink: Wether you are sucking it, touching it, getting fucked by it, or just knowing its there. And YAY! for you guys who say... I like them for their beauty, femininity, exoticness, sex appeal, etc... :|

A MALE with a cock and balls, fucking a WOMAN... tits + soft skin+ long hair + a PUSSY = STRAIGHT SEX :banghead

I was in denial about this for along time also. I always wanted to believe I was with a straight guy, but when it comes down to the nitty gritty! :sadcry

Celeste, so because I find you really sexy and I want some of that fine ass you have you're saying i'm gay??????????? :( :(

[Celeste]

Call it what you will... If you like gg's too, then call yourself Bi! Only you know, what you truly are! But lets not be in DENIAL about all this! C'mon :roll:

[blackrob]

I don't think i'm in denial. I've never had a desire nor have I ever been with a guy but a sexy tranny can get it every day! :(

[south09]

I'm attracted to femininity. Genitals are unimportant. Most will have a vagina. Some may have a penis. I happen to be accepting of the latter.


The end

[yodajazz]

Call it what you will... If you like gg's too, then call yourself Bi! Only you know, what you truly are! But lets not be in DENIAL about all this! C'mon :roll:

Very interesting posts, Celeste. I think most people are in denial.

I consider my true orientation to be bisexual, but I only like trans women and not masculine men. I also love women. I consider pre op trans women to be two sexes at once. So that certainly defines being bi to me. But even people here think of bi as meaning liking both sexes equally. I also believe that no one is 100% straight. The real working definition of straight is ‘mostly straight’.

But for the record all humans have both male and female hormones in their bodies. It is just that one or the other predominates in each body usually.

[Josh_64sh]

I am not interested in gay porn at all. But I certainly get horny watching nice Tgirls and even more horny if they have nice dicks. In Thailand I went to ladyboy bars but I certainly don't want to get involved with thai guys for example. And I don't care about any psychological interpretations.

[Dinand]

I'm with blackrob on this in a way. I mean I would never ever want to have sex with a guy. With a beautiful TGirl like Patricia Bysmark or Mickelly Miranda hell yes but only if she's playing the girl role during sex 100% meaning I don't want to suck her cock and I don't want to take it up my ass. For me that's crossing the line I don't care to cross.

[Celeste]

I think what the topic is trying to get at, and I could be wrong:
"Straight guys" who are watching ts porn, are watching a form of gay porn... but justifying it as being ts porn, not gay porn. But in all reality ts porn IS a form of gay porn... No matter how you justify it. So that would be the gateway, shemale porn is a form of gay porn. Not necessarily saying you guys start watching ts porn, then the next thing you know, your watching FLAT OUT gay porn! Hope Im making sense, hardly got any sleep :sleep

[Dinand]

For me shemale porn is only gay porn if the guy is sucking a Tgirl or taking it up the ass himself. That's why when I buy these kind of movies I don't want to see these kind of acts and when it does happen I usually fast-forward that part because that's not something I really want to see.

[Dinand]

I'm here because I love shemale porn, just not all acts. And of course I'm a big fan of girls like Patricia Bysmark, Mickelly Miranda and Thays Schiavinato.

[BeardedOne]

so why you interested in shemale porn at all?? why are you here?

Ah, the never ending question. In a recent dinner conversation with "The Wife" (A title, not a relationship), TW was recounting an adventure she'd had with a fellow that clearly enjoyed anal penetration. When he recounted that he thought this made him 'gay', she told him that it wasn't what you took up your ass that made you gay, but what you took in your mouth. :shock:

Needless to say, she and I got into a heated discussion on 'what makes you gay' at that point.

As open-minded and enlightened as she is, it surprised me that she had so pigeon-holed one person's sexual identity. For a woman who has seen me suck dick, fuck ass, eat pussy, etc./ad infinitum, I was shocked that her view of the sexual identity spectrum was so limited.

Just accept that there are some people who may be 'straight' that get a charge out of viewing 'shemale' (Gawd, I hate that term) porn and images.

Stuff happens.

[Coroner]

As a "strait guy" who's been looking at TG porn for years... i can tell you no. Never had the desire to get into gay porn because of some slippery slope theory about sexuality. Sexuality is complex, distinctive and not black and white. I dont consider myself "bi" as that insinuates i like men...and TG women to me aren't men, they are women with a biological difference, but spend any time with a full time trans lady and you wont be confused between a man and her.

My point of view as well. Definitions are not correct at all because they´re very restricted. They don´t include every aspect of meaning. The term "gay" is already established and reserved for those men who are attracted to other men. A TS cannot be put into that category. The cock is not the only gender identification. Since most of us aren´t attracted to men, we cannot be called "bi".
You said, sexuality is complex and so we can´t be straight as well. We´re "straight". One single word can´t describe any individual.

[Celeste]

hows the weather out there, in the land on DENIAL? lmao

[JusticeIsBlind]

What's more gay:

1) Watching a hairy guy fuck a hot girl.

or

2) Watching a beautiful TS fuck a hot girl.

???

[ottorocket]

I dont care what it leads to, as long as it leads to some sex with a tgirl...doh!!!

[ezed]

hows the weather out there, in the land on DENIAL? lmao

Call it what you will. It's sex. I get an erection for t-girl but not for guys. The cock meter tells all. So you can call me gay, you can call me Ray! I don't understand it nor does anyone else. But a dick does. It's either up or down. To all you state employees, who must classify everything ... call it what you will.

Tried gay porn, doesn't do it for me. Why is that? Who knows. Go with what makes you boat float. Throw a stamp on it.

[OEMEnemyNum1]

It's gonna be different for each person, but I'll give one idea.

What if you get a charge out of the idea of total submission of yourself. The idea that you are with someone that has completely changed themself to make themself better/happier.

I also have a wicked plastic surgery obsession, though I've never had any work done or plan on having any. I might be crazy, or unique but I think thats part of the idea with me. I really admire anyone willing to make big sacrifices to achieve what they want.

I try to do that with my life, but in totally different ways

Oh and btw, couldn't stand regular gay porn at all......

[drock]

hows the weather out there, in the land on DENIAL? lmao

LMAO well it could be better if you were sitting on my dick.. I don't know i've never really given the matter much thought.. My girl's a GG and alll my relationships that i've had have been with women, but every now and then I don't mind getting a good shot of TS ass, so if that makes me gay then so be it..

I'm just attracted to the female form, so if a chick is built like a dime piece, has a cute face, and just so happens to have a dick up that dress, well chances are she's going to get fucked just like the next chick who drops her panties in front of me.. :P

[callahac]

Call it what you will... If you like gg's too, then call yourself Bi! Only you know, what you truly are! But lets not be in DENIAL about all this! C'mon :roll:

Celeste,
You are absolutely right. I came out of denial a while ago and now truly enjoy having sex with men as well as TS and women. I just had to get over the mental hump, and once I tried it with a guy it felt awesome. Feeling a cock inside me no matter who it is attached to just felt awesome.

In the end I think I am much more on the gay side then the straight side. I kind of use TS as a crutch in that by digging TS's I can't be 100% gay, because after all I am attracted to feminine beauty, that is of course as long as there is a cock involved.

Make sense?

[callahac]

I do like it in fact I love it. At least I am man enough to admit it. Never could understand the gay bashing on HA.

From an article in the Pittsburg tribune- Signs your Husband Might be Gay:

Overreacts to anything concerning gay men -- extreme homophobic behavior

[Ralph Lauren]

Nope... just cause you watch ts porn doesn't mean you're gay. You're just partially gay... like partially pregnant... or partially dead.

can you please explain how someone can be partially pregnant? thanks

[Ralph Lauren]

I think what the topic is trying to get at, and I could be wrong:
"Straight guys" who are watching ts porn, are watching a form of gay porn... but justifying it as being ts porn, not gay porn. But in all reality ts porn IS a form of gay porn... No matter how you justify it. So that would be the gateway, shemale porn is a form of gay porn. Not necessarily saying you guys start watching ts porn, then the next thing you know, your watching FLAT OUT gay porn! Hope Im making sense, hardly got any sleep :sleep

I'm totally with you. Not sure why it's considered so bad to be gay.

[needsum]

To get back to the original question . . . . No, it is not a gateway to gay porn. I will mirror someone else who said basically that either you're gay or you're not. If you're gay you'll probably head towards gay porn whether you watch TS porn or not. If you'r enot gay then you have no worries.

I personally do not enjoy watching guys suck cock or get fucked up the ass. but I do enjoy watching a hot Gurl suck a guys cock, or another Gurls cock especially. I could be just fine with no men in TS porn whatsoever.

I've been on lots ot TS websites and seen lots of TS porn. I know what I like, and I know that watching enough of something isn't going to magically turn me into something I know I'm already not.

[Celeste]

Flabeeboi: You may not want anything touching your ass hole, but you will get your cock sucked and fuck someones asshole... who was born male and has a dick?!? So thats makes you less gay, right? :lol:

[Floyd R]

Celeste, you've made some interesting points. How would you label guys that are more attracted to post-op transsexuals than gg's?

Call it what you will... If you like gg's too, then call yourself Bi! Only you know, what you truly are! But lets not be in DENIAL about all this! C'mon :roll:

[tstv_lover]

There a wide range of responses here, which means it's a good topic!

I can only speak for myself, and I really don't find labels that useful.

Personally, I have only ever been attracted to GGs and transsexual girls - most recently I prefer transsexual girls. But there's a range of transsexual girls, just as there's a range of gay porn.

So, from covering the spectrum we have:
1. transsexual girls who are post-op
2. tgirls who are feminine, made a commitment to SRS and largely submissive
3. tgirls who are more dominant and have sex with guys who like tgirl cock
4. transvestites and cross-dressers who still consider themselves men for most of the time
5. effeminate, submissive guys who like taking cock
6. average to masculine guys who like gay sex.

Yes, I'm sure there are many other types that are not really reflected here.

Personally I am only attracted to 1. and 2. Judging by Celeste's comment I should be expecting to head into categories 4. and 5. but I really don't believe it. I've absolutely no interest in sex with guys or watching gay porn.

So, I'd have to agree with several of the other guys here that transsexual porn or transsexual sex doesn't lead to gay porn/sex. If you get turned on my gay porn then that's fine, but I can't see that transsexual sex makes any difference.

[OEMEnemyNum1]

Flabeeboi: You may not want anything touching your ass hole, but you will get your cock sucked and fuck someones asshole... who was born male and has a dick?!? So thats makes you less gay, right? :lol:

Do you consider yourself gay?

[Celeste]

Floyd R: I would say your Bi. But who amI to say! I mean Post Ops were still born male. No matter what one has done to the exterior, the Interior will never change!

ts tv Lover: Thats exactly what I didnt say.
Celeste wrote:
I think what the topic is trying to get at, and I could be wrong:
"Straight guys" who are watching ts porn, are watching a form of gay porn... but justifying it as being ts porn, not gay porn. But in all reality ts porn IS a form of gay porn... No matter how you justify it. So that would be the gateway, shemale porn is a form of gay porn. Not necessarily saying you guys start watching ts porn, then the next thing you know, your watching FLAT OUT gay porn! Hope Im making sense, hardly got any sleep

I said it was a form of gay porn. No matter what level of transexual or form of transexual porn, you prefer! It still IS a form of gay porn. Meaning you are not headed to watching 3 or 4, or towards flat out gat porn.... Honey, your already there! Being with a TS or watching any form of TS porn, is a form of gay activity, no matter how you look at it. But hey, whatever gets you throught the nite, babe :wink:

OEMEnemyNum1: I wouldnt Flat out say I was gay, no. If I was asked I would say... I consider myself a transgendered. If we got down to the nitty gritty, Yes TG people would classify under gay. Ts porn, is often catergorized under gay. I would say I was a transgender who participates in gay sex. I mean its obviously not straight sex! Who are we kidding?! :roll:

[OEMEnemyNum1]

Celeste I could totally go GAY for you!!!!, lol

[El Nino]

Great points Celeste. Really, this discussion should be over now!

[Celeste]

OEMEnemyNum1: ::singing:: "You and me baby, aint nothing but mammals, so lets do it, like they do it, on the discovery channel" :wink:

El Nino: Thanks Babe, Yeah... I think I made my point, some keep missing it, or just not trying to accept it, but point has been made. Im done with this post, as well!

Call it what you will, face reality, love you you are, accept things as they come, and be true to yourself... you only get one shot at life, shouldnt we be happy?


"Learn to love yourself, because if you dont love yourself, how in the hell are you gonna love somebody else!" RuPaul

I think the saying "It is, what it is" is perfect to sum this up!

[Surkis]

I'm not really convinced by any of Celeste's points. I understand where she's coming from, but really its just presenting opinion off as fact. I think the only reason why TG porn is usually listed under gay porn is because yeah, obviously its not straight, but when 1 is obviously a guy and the other is damn near a woman, its not exactly "Gay" porn either.

I'm not really buying into this "Denial" stuff either. Sexuality is just too damn complicated when it comes to TG's to just be labled as one thing or the other.

Its obviously not straight, but honestly it doesn't make sense to me to consider it all out gay, and to be honest even labling it as Bi is kind of weird because Bi insinuates that you can go from wanting to bang Kiera Nightly (however the hell you spell her name) to Vin Diesel, and no, sorry, i can't do that.

But that's where everything gets all grey. Some people want to lable that territory as 1 or the other but you flat out CAN'T!

I'm perfectly fine with how I am. Yeah, I may like chicks with dicks, but I don't consider myself gay because I flat out don't like guys to begin with, and I think calling myself Bi would just be false advertising because no guy in the world has a chance with me, because I don't like guys.

Which also brings me to the next point; What the hell could you lable a TS? I mean on the 1 side you have TS's who want to be considered a woman, and on the other you have TS's that will call you a faggot for liking them (i've seen it on this board before), so its like woah, what's with the mindfuck?

A Trans Gendered person is probably one of the most complicated beings out there to lable, because there are so many different motivations for becoming a TG, and on top of that there are so many reasons for liking a TG.

I mean some TG's are straight guys who wish they were women, some are gay guys who wish they were women, some are just people who like what they got but want to try something different and would rather not completely cross over to the other gender, and so on.

Then you got guys who like TG's because they actually ARE in denial, or are ashamed of their feelings, or guys who like TG's because they like the idea of banging a chick with a dick, but won't go near the dick for some reason (which to me is like "What's the point then?"), and then you got some who just like TG's.

Its too damn complicated.

Hell, if i'm so damn gay, then why do the "guys" i like have to look like hot chicks before i'd even think about going near them?

Of course you could bring genetics into it "Well they have male genes, so that means they're guys, which makes you a faggot, lol!", but then you'd have to go by the assumption that people actually go and take blood samples from their potential partners and have their geneology analyzed before they decide to gun for them, and i gotta say you'd be pretty damn hardpressed to convince me that people actually do that.

You could also go the route that "If you like playing with a TS's dick then that makes you gay", but you have plenty of straight couples who experiment and play with strap-ons, which honestly is incredibly identical, but that's usually considered kinky, not gay.

See what i mean? Grey areas!

I guess I should wrap things up. If you were to ask me of what my opinion of Trans Gendered people are, i'd tell you that if you were a guy, I'd consider you to be a fuck-ton more gay for wanting to bang someone like Buck Angel than someone like Vaniity.

*edit*

I guess in the end, what's so wrong with someone just saying "I'm a straight guy who likes transexual women" or "i'm a gay guy who likes transexual women"? I mean wouldn't those be the best ways to put it?

[callahac]

One last thing from me on this subject.

A large amount of the gay sites I visit have a section for shemales. So obviously they think that shemales should fall under the "gay' catagory.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Well I really don't care about shemale porn it's not what validates me as a female.

If you feel you are gay or bi so be it.

But I assure you when I get hit on at a straight bar, the guy isn't thinking thats a dude. He is thinking thats a female he is attracted to. He interacts, talks, and treats me as he would any other female. Which is what it's more about. Being female is more than just whats between the legs. So if you men want to call yourself gay or biseuxal, because a females looks attracted you, then so be it. Now there are those men just about the cock, and so be it. But not all men that date a transwoman is like that. I find it truly wrong on so many levels. So call it denial if you would like, but obviously some transsexuals still feel they are men. If you feel like a gay male, then why did you transition in the first place? Oh right to make more money. :lol:

Take it offensive as you would like, but thats how I feel.



If you base feminity and sexuality on just sex thats pathetic, a relationship is more than just about SEX. A person is more than just how they have sex.

Get over it.

Good Day

Kelly

[tstv_lover]

I agree completely with Surkis.

Kelly, I also agree with you, although you've taken this a different direction. The original question was about porn and porn is inherently sexual.
You correctly point out that a relationship is much more than sex. Of course it is. A relationship involves a commitment of time, understanding, support and love, whereas porn or prostitution only involves money.
I wonder if people are more honest in their choice of relationships or their choice of porn. I certainly couldn't imagine someone who's gay being attracted to a person who is female through choice, although someone seeking porn or escorting where he acts the cock slut may be doing so in lieu of a gay partner.
Anyway, it's OK for us all to follow our individual approaches accepting that we're all a bit kinky!

[big_red3445]

As a "strait guy" who's been looking at TG porn for years... i can tell you no. Never had the desire to get into gay porn because of some slippery slope theory about sexuality. Sexuality is complex, distinctive and not black and white. I dont consider myself "bi" as that insinuates i like men...and TG women to me aren't men, they are women with a biological difference, but spend any time with a full time trans lady and you wont be confused between a man and her.

I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU...150%

[Surkis]

One last thing from me on this subject.

A large amount of the gay sites I visit have a section for shemales. So obviously they think that shemales should fall under the "gay' catagory.

Good for them?

Again, like I said, to me its more of a "where can we put it? Its not exactly straight porn you know..."

I just hate people creating labels for me that I didn't approve of. I get enough of that horseshit because I was born of mexican decent. Nothing against mexican people but aside from my skin color and some mexican-esque features, i'm VERY far from your stereotypical mexican. Hell, i'm part white too you know, yet people take one look at me and automatically assume that when I go home I throw on a poncho and start speakin' spanish and take a siesta, and most of this crap comes from my own people, go figure.

Point is there is usually more to the story, so there's no use applying any specific label to it just yet, and in reality the only real lables that would fit are so damn complicated that you might as well go with what I said earlier with my other post.

[hi2u2]

I prefer a bare minimum of femininity in my porns.

that said all hc porn could be considered gay by mainstream sexuality standards. too many cut away shots of dudes O face and girls getting gooed on in slowmo with giant horsecock to be considered 'not gay'. amirite????

[AceHole]

This is an interesting topic and I've read a good majority of the posts. For me, gay sex just doesn't do it. Men just don't turn me on the same way that a tgirl does. This isn't denial as I've even tried it with a man once or twice. You know what? It really didn't do anything for me.

I like smaller boobs be for the most part it is the feminine tgirls that get me. Maybe it's a whole package deal since it's not just having a rack that does it.

[OEMEnemyNum1]

"It is, what it is"


Girl that is one quote that describes you. In fact I think I've seen that somewhere before ;) Hmmm.... brings on a memory

[polarstar]

Shemale porn allowed me to realize that I enjoy cocks and have a broad range of sexual attraction. But it also made me realize I am totally and completely interested in women as partners, dates, companions, etc. I can do sex with tgirls or guys on occasion but am not interested in anything more.

I don't think I would have gained that clarity without tgirl porn and tgirl sex.

[uber_nerd]

"Weiners is weiners." -Edgar Allan Poe

[mmmtasty]

I honestly couldn't ever see myself having sex with a man.


Yes a shemales cock can turn me on, but the main attraction to me is that she looks just like a beautiful woman to me. And with the asses that some of these girls have can you blame me?

[BigTSHunter]

Just to throw my 2 cents in as a newbie shemale enthusiast, I will have to say that I've always enjoyed woman on cock action with straight porn.

Now getting into shemale porn, I enjoy both solo and shemale/female or male action. I've seen gay porn and it is somewhat interesting, it is down there on the porn I would watch and I have no interest in having sex with other men.

I have never been with a shemale but see myself potentially with one in the future as I am very attracted to them. Especially some of the ones on Hung Angels.

[Darkwing Duck]

If you guys really want a gay porn gateway, start watching cuckold stuff.

[needsum]

Floyd R: I would say your Bi. But who amI to say! I mean Post Ops were still born male. No matter what one has done to the exterior, the Interior will never change!

Ok, Celeste, this statement has me confused. From my understanding, TS women who were born male have always felt female on the inside, but have Male genetalia. The whole point of the transformation is to make their outsides match their insides, is it not?

So while a MTF post-op woman was technically born a male, her whole makeup had been that of a female. And as a TS woman yourself I'm surprised that you would say that the interior would never change, in regards to a TS always being a man inside. Just seems a bit odd to hear you say that.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I agree completely with Surkis.

Kelly, I also agree with you, although you've taken this a different direction. The original question was about porn and porn is inherently sexual.
You correctly point out that a relationship is much more than sex. Of course it is. A relationship involves a commitment of time, understanding, support and love, whereas porn or prostitution only involves money.
I wonder if people are more honest in their choice of relationships or their choice of porn. I certainly couldn't imagine someone who's gay being attracted to a person who is female through choice, although someone seeking porn or escorting where he acts the cock slut may be doing so in lieu of a gay partner.
Anyway, it's OK for us all to follow our individual approaches accepting that we're all a bit kinky! WEll there are loads of men that watch transsexual porn but never would act on it. So again that makes no sense to call him gay or even Bi.

[KiraHarden]

If a TS or GG watch TS porn is that also a gateway to gay porn?

[MrsKellyPierce]

If a TS or GG watch TS porn is that also a gateway to gay porn? No Kira, by Celeste and others logic, that would be straight porn or straight sex. Since a tgirl has a cock and a gg has a vagina. Lawdy! hahahhahahahahahahahahha :lol:

[KiraHarden]

If a TS or GG watch TS porn is that also a gateway to gay porn? No Kira, by Celeste and others logic, that would be straight porn or straight sex. Since a tgirl has a cock and a gg has a vagina. Lawdy! hahahhahahahahahahahahha :lol:
Ok then, What if a gay guy watches ts porn, is that a gate way to straight porn for him?

[KiraHarden]

Here's a thought that crossed my mind. When a father has a son transition to a daughter, do you think its a gateway to him watching ts porn out of curiousity and or maybe leading him to start perving HA and then becoming a tranny chaser?

That could apply to other family members as well as friends

[sissyrachel]

Yeah, I think watching TS porn could turn people onto other things that they hadn't considered before, but these are probably aspects of their personality that were there anyway. That's kind of how it worked for me. After I came across shemale porn, it got me curious and that's when I started crossdressing and fantasising about being a sexy slut and getting off with guys and girls. I don't really watch guy-on-guy porn but I get turned on by most other combinations of t-girls, cd, gg or whatever with guys, I feel that sort of thing is much sexier if the girls turn the guys on each other. But that's just me. If that makes me gay, then I probably am, although I guess bi would be a better description. I'm ok with being called that.

The real issue here seems to be with the weird levels of homophobia that seem to exist on these boards. People are so afraid to be labelled as "gay" and seem to hate on other people who do things that are a bit "gay" for them. What the fuck is wrong with being gay, people? For God's sake, you all like cock. Try to be a bit more understanding sometimes of people with slightly different tastes.

[BigTSHunter]

If a TS or GG watch TS porn is that also a gateway to gay porn? No Kira, by Celeste and others logic, that would be straight porn or straight sex. Since a tgirl has a cock and a gg has a vagina. Lawdy! hahahhahahahahahahahahha :lol:
Ok then, What if a gay guy watches ts porn, is that a gate way to straight porn for him?

I laugh at this one Kira. Very philosophical! You are hilarious!

[KiraHarden]

Here's a thought that crossed my mind. When a father has a son transition to a daughter, do you think its a gateway to him watching ts porn out of curiousity and or maybe leading him to start perving HA and then becoming a tranny chaser?

That could apply to other family members as well as friends

I just had another thought. If that is a gateway to TS porn, that leads me to believe then that your dad could start watching gay porn, because you turned him on to the gateway of TS porn. :shock: Oh shit! are the TS of the world turning father's, brother's, family, and friends on too a gay lifestyle.

[Dinand]

It's strange how these things work in the mind, here's once again my take on it using my Goddess Patricia Bysmark for example:

Would I want to have sex with Patricia Bysmark? Hell Yes!

Would I love to suck the dick of Patricia Bysmark? No!

Would I love to have my dick sucked by Patricia Bysmark? Yes!

Would I love to get penetrated by Patricia Bysmark? No!

Would I love to penetrate Patricia Bysmark? Yes!

Would I love to lick Patricia Bysmark's ass? Hell Yes!

[Legend]

I would say definently i started off strictly str8 porn then idk how bt i jumped 2 shemale porn then about a month or 2 ago i found myself dwnloading tons of gay porn of limewire and actually enjoying it although still finding no man attractive what so ever cuz im not gay at all bt i did enjoy it alot so id say shemale porn is definently a gateway 4 gay porn

Dude,your richard simmons gay.

[DirtySouth]

Its not a correct statement. I have been watching straight porn for years and just started producing TS porn. Gay porn does not interests me in any form even though it is one of the highest selling niches. So, I think that is a growing stereotype that str8 guys go into TS porn as a gateway to gay porn. I think it is normal for a guy who frequents TS girls to eventually question his sexuality once out of confusion. But Tgirls are where its at for most guys and thats all it is.

[mrwiseguy]

Hello, I am new to this site, have spent some time lurking and maybe this is a good topic for my first post.

First of all, who CARES if transsexual porn is a gateway to gay porn? What matters is what turns you on. Second, don't be afraid of yourself or what you (have come to) fancy.

That said, I consider myself straight - or as I like to say, in my 34 years on this planet, there hasn't been a single man I have felt myself (sexually) attracted to. But even if that happened someday... big f***ing deal! I refuse to let homophobic morals dictate me what/who I should get turned on by.

I mostly watch/look at Lesbian porn, for me it's just a lot more pleasant to look at than guy-on-girl. Maybe because I don't care to see some guy's naked dick. So then, you might ask, how come I like Transsexual porn? Because,and I really hope this offends nobody, a Transsexual (or a Shemale) to me is not male in the classical sense. Even if she has a sizeable dick, to me she is decidedly more woman than man. Therefore, Transsexual porn is not gay porn to me and has never made me fancy actual guy-on-guy porn. But even if it did someday... like I said, who cares?

I must admit though that although girls who have had nothing done down there can be just simply gorgeous, I am even more fascinated with post-op transsexuals. I cannot tell you why that is, but there is just something uniquely intriguing about girls who have "gone all the way".


anyways, looking forward to participating in great discussions on this board... :wink:

[Fetish Fanatic]

My opinion is nobody on this whole god damn forum has any right to call someone gay or to categorize someone. To call someone gay on this forum is like a alcoholic calling someone a crackhead druggie. The poison they choose is different but they are both into poison...

Did that make any sense at all?

[TJT]

Yep.

Back in my dope fiend days it always amazed me there was a hierarchy of drug users. Coke and pot/psychedelic users looked down on all other drug users,huffers and methheads were the bottom of the barrel.

Get a little dry spell in the weed and coke supply and those folks got a lot less picky about what got 'em high and who they hung around with.

BTW,regarding the subject,of course TS porn is the gateway to homosexuality. If you're on this board asking questions about it you're doomed to a lifetime of antiquing and "Sex In The City" reruns.

[MacShreach]

First of all, who CARES if transsexual porn is a gateway to gay porn? What matters is what turns you on.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I wish I had a fiver for every time I've seen a flaming gay come up with a statement to that effect on this board.


But to answer the OP:

Depends on the viewer's sexual orientation.

If you are gay, then you may use TS porn and TS women to satisfy your gay sexuality without confronting it. TS escorts and porn merchants thrive on this, as it is a basis of their business.

If you are not gay, then looking at TS porn will not make you gay, nor will making love to a TS woman (or for that matter any woman.)

I do enjoy TS porn but I have to remove all the parts or images showing men being penetrated, as this actually makes me physically nauseous and will certainly kiss goodbye to any sexual excitement I may be experiencing. From this point of view GG porn is a much safer bet for me and I tend to move between TS porn and GG porn.

But if you are a man, and you get turned on by pictures of men being penetrated by TS models, obsess about cocks or begin fantasising about being penetrated yourself, then you might as well admit reality, accept your sexual orientation and just move on to gay porn. Why live in denial?

So for gay men, TS porn may well be a gateway.

:shrug :shrug

[mbf]

dearest forum-clowns: too much shemale porn is a gateway to NOT have real life sex in the first place.

[MacShreach]

The term "gay" is already established and reserved for those men who are attracted to other men.


As usual, Coroner, an intelligent approach. However the distinction is more complex than simple appearance. It has to accommodate behaviour as well, and furthermore the desired behaviour, or fantasy of the viewer if we are talking about porn. We cannot alter the fact that the penis is a male member, as Celeste pointed out, and this throws a spanner in the works.

In fact a transsexual women (talking about pre-op here) is ambivalent, a quasi-intersexual state, possessing the feminine qualities of a woman in her breasts, buttocks and softened features and the masculine power of a man, invested in her penis. This being the case a TS woman has the power to be either male or female. She can give as well as receive. Therefore how she is behaving has to be taken into account.

When a TS woman is using her penis to penetrate a man, she has fully transformed herself into a male; and when she is receiving cock she is almost completely female, in fact, to be honest, completely so in every respect other than the issue of the vagina. In the act of sex itself it is actually quite tricky for the man so see or be aware of her penis at all, and many girls prefer a position that makes it even more difficult. If you are penetrating a TS woman anally, leaning over her in missionary or from behind and feeling her breasts as you kiss with tongue, is is quite impossible to feel a difference between this and fucking a GG anally in the same way, unless you go for the reach-around (and don't be surprised if you find your hand being removed if you do; the woman is totally focussed on being a woman, and may not take kindly to being reminded about the pecker.) There's nothing wrong with the sensitivity of my dick, but I have never been able to feel a difference between the two types of rectum. And both types of mouths feel the same too.

Unquestionably therefore, making love to a TS woman can fit the category of straight sex.

However, unpopular though this view is here, when a man is penetrated anally, that man is indulging in gay sex. When a man sucks a cock, that man is indulging in gay sex. It does not matter whether the penetration is by a TS woman using her penis, a TS woman using a strap-on or a natal or formerly transsexual woman using a strap-on, because in all these cases the woman is playing the role of a man to satisfy her partner's desire for gay sex, or her own.

We must remember that just as a man may wish to explore his feminine side, so a woman may wish to explore her masculine side, and either partner may simply be accommodating the other because they love each other; but whatever the reasons, in this case the actual sex itself is still homosexual, though the relationship may not be.

The point is that to make a sensible definition of sexual orientation when confronted with the phenomenon of transsexual women, we have to look beyond simple physical appearance and include behaviour.

All that applies as much to porn as to real life. So TS porn has the unusual quality of being either straight or gay, depending on what is being depicted.

Therefore, with regard to TS porn, men who are gay, whether in denial or not, will gravitate towards porn that concentrates on dicks and men being penetrated or dominated, while more straight men will seek porn that shows the exact opposite, the TS looking and behaving in as feminine and submissive a way as possible.

So if a man finds that he is repeatedly returning to images of other men being sexually dominated by women, then he might as well seek out gay porn, since that is what the fantasy that he is satisfying through porn is. And that is the sense in which TS porn is a gateway to gay porn.

[MacShreach]

dearest forum-clowns: too much shemale porn is a gateway to NOT have real life sex in the first place.

Amen.

[callahac]

It seems like whenever someone on HA discusses gay sex they seem to be referring to hairy masculine guys- and it is a big turn off. There are all sorts of different gay genres- bears, muscle, hairy, etc. Me personally am into the fem guys- smooth, skinny, pretty. To me looking at shemales just takes my fem attraction to the next level. So if you are into gay sex with fem guys, then I bet you are into shemales.

[Ponyboy]

There's nothing wrong with being gay - I started off with gg's then tg's and then occasionally some guys.

In theory I'm bi but sometimes I feel more gay than bi. However I am attracted to a wide range of ggs, but only a small range of guys, but when I see a guy I like, I want him more than I want a gg.

tgs are perfect they just slide on in between

[callahac]

My opinion is nobody on this whole god damn forum has any right to call someone gay or to categorize someone. To call someone gay on this forum is like a alcoholic calling someone a crackhead druggie. The poison they choose is different but they are both into poison...

Did that make any sense at all?

Right on, man! I wonder how many of these people tell their friends and family that they are into trannies? I bet 90% are in the closet about their attractions. Do you think they are afraid of someone thinking they are gay?

[MacShreach]

It seems like whenever someone on HA discusses gay sex they seem to be referring to hairy masculine guys- and it is a big turn off. There are all sorts of different gay genres- bears, muscle, hairy, etc. Me personally am into the fem guys- smooth, skinny, pretty. To me looking at shemales just takes my fem attraction to the next level. So if you are into gay sex with fem guys, then I bet you are into shemales.

That observation makes sense but you have to remember that straight men don't even see these differences. A guy is a guy is just a guy and that's it. We don't spend time checking guys out. We spend time checking chicks out.

I don't mean to imply that there is one homogeneous "gay" pattern. I just mean to say that to me, all guys are the same. I think you have to be interested before you would notice these distinctions, and most non-gay men just are not.

:shrug :shrug

[dbev]

No, not at all.

Male homosexual activities are not excting nor enjoyable for the sight... not to mention extremely boring and aesthetically horrible.

My opinion...

[Nowhere]

One thing I do have to add in response to Celeste's angle on it:

I do think that it's a bit ridiculous to call anyone who is into tgirl porn as being less than bi-. There's a cock there, and that's where it crosses the line.

However, it's just as ridiculous to think that ALL men who like tgirls are going to like guys (either eventually or if they broke down their walls).

Take it like this - what attracts a man to a woman? It's the physical. It's the shape of he face, her eyes, her hair, her jawline, neck, bodyfat composition, breast, waist-hip ratio, hairlessness, the curves of her figure, etc, etc.

If a tgirl makes herself virtually indistinguishable from a gg, having all of the same features (being dressed), then any man with heterosexual inclinations will find her equally attractive.

Now, most guys here probably come across tgirl porn when fishing through straight porn (on the sample sites it can be mixed in), so here they are, paging through what looks like women until you get the 'surprise' in the end (at least the first time). That guy is confused. There's all of the factors there (the physical ones mentioned above), but yet, something's "wrong." If a guy is kinky / enough of a perv (i'm not meaning it as an insult), then he might actually "like" the wrongness of it. It's a twist on what they've seen before. Just like a guy seeing tg/gg porn being a twist on lesbian porn. And, people do get bored with the same old porn after a while.

So, while they're still attracted to the female form (which both passable tg and gg's have), they get a kick out of something a little "different."

That's why guys are arguing here. They're attracted to the female form, just with a twist - and can't even fathom being with a person having the male form.

I mean, would you call a guy who wanted to be with Buck Angel "straight?"

By your logic, you'd say "yes" since he was born a woman and has a vagina, right?

So, obviously, no. In fact, I've heard of gay men sort of curious about the chance to be with a guy like that (as he said "a man with a pussy"). Straight men only like the female form, and if a person happens to be born a woman with a vagina and gets rid of all female characteristics, that female form will be gone and the attraction lost.

Again, I think a lot of attraction is gray and in the middle, and by that concept, anyone who falls under that has no other reasonable term to use than "bi", but where someone lands inbetween being attracted to the male and female binary is where they're born and nothing will change that. Maybe they'll realize they're further towards 'gay' than they thought, but it doesn't change anything.

So, you can call it "bisexual" porn. But calling it as "gay" porn really just isn't an accurate way to do it.

Again, by your logic, a man screwing Buck Angel would be "straight" to you, and tell me anyone anywhere who would agree with that.

[MacShreach]

I do think that it's a bit ridiculous to call anyone who is into tgirl porn as being less than bi-. There's a cock there, and that's where it crosses the line.
<snip>
So, you can call it "bisexual" porn. But calling it as "gay" porn really just isn't an accurate way to do it.


I basically agree with what you're saying, but outside of lesbian porn there is pretty much always a cock close to the centre of the action in "straight" porn. Often far too prominently for me, in fact. I really do get turned off by pictures of naked men and I particularly do not like "money shots" where the camera focusses on the man, his cock, or god help me his anguished face. :puke

Just saying.

[DeicideDeimos]

I'm not going to lie... there are some really girly looking twinks I catch my self watching... but usually solo stuff.

[terry60_82]

It was a gateway for me but what do I know

[traLika]

Shemale porn might be a gateway to gay porn for some but not for me.

I'd rather be eaten alive by meerkats than watch two dudes kiss and fuck each other.

[rockabilly]

You go from the joint straight to da crack.

[DeicideDeimos]

Hey I'm a stoner and I resent that!

[rockabilly]

Who's talkin bout drugs? lol

[DeicideDeimos]

lol okay ... point taken

[koolijtc]

dude your bi

[Jericho]

I never had inclinations towards other males growing up. I still don't, but when I was able to accept and enjoy Shemale porn gradually I could tolerate and enjoy gay porn almost as well. I'm just wondering if I'm the only guy who has experienced this.

Yes, you're the only guy.

Shemale porn is the gateway to gay porn, the same way as cigarette addiction is the gateway to heroin addiction.

Sucks for you, huh?

[DeicideDeimos]

dude your bi

and your stating the blatantly obvious.... thanks... nobody would have know if you didn't point that out. good job!:peanutbutter

[giovanni_hotel]

Unfortunately... Mac Hine, and Magic One.. are right :( I mean, no matter how beautiful, feminine, curvacious, or passable, transexuals are... we are born male. Regardless of how big our boobs are, how big our asses are, how long our hair is, how soft we are, how many surgeries... still were born male, with a male mentality! You guys love that we are as horny as you are. Male on male action = gay sex, no matter how you try to analyze or justify it. You are fucking ASS! Someone with a cock and balls, and testosterone. And thats what you like! Well atleast the cock & balls part :wink: Wether you are sucking it, touching it, getting fucked by it, or just knowing its there. And YAY! for you guys who say... I like them for their beauty, femininity, exoticness, sex appeal, etc... :|

A MALE with a cock and balls, fucking a WOMAN... tits + soft skin+ long hair + a PUSSY = STRAIGHT SEX :banghead

I was in denial about this for along time also. I always wanted to believe I was with a straight guy, but when it comes down to the nitty gritty! :sadcry

Really fucced that Celeste feels this way. SO every dude she gets with, in her mind, is a faggot for fuccing/sucking her!!??

Does Celeste still consider herself a man??

I still love the girls, but the mental that comes along with the total package is a gawd damn mind fuck!!!

[alyssaluxor]

the reason why most TS girls think that most TS admirer/chasers are gay because most of them just want COCK! why are you guys like that? its all about COCK for you?

[giovanni_hotel]

If a tgirl ONLY wanted me to fuck her and let her suck my cock, I would be very cool with that.

But if she wants to cum too, I'm gonna accommodate that, but not my ass!lol (there would have to be some serious trust/love shit going on for that to happen because when it was over I would NOT recognize the dude in the mirror!! Just a hypothetical cause it hasn't been requested and I'm not offering.)

So no, it's not about the cock Alyssa, it's the androgyny IMO that draws in a lot of dudes like myself, in the beginning.

Beautiful girl = RIGHT.
w/ a cokk = WRONG, (at first.)
but she's making my cock turn into rock = RIGHT!!!

And there we go.....!

WHat it really comes down to I guess is that not all men are attracted to transwomen for the same reasons.

Some guys wanna fuck the girls and make em crazee.
Some guys wanna get broke thru by a tgirl.

Whateva.

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

Celeste for the win.

Now, is tranny porn a gateway niche towrds gay porn? No. I've been looking at tranny porn online since 2002, have produced it since 2007 and have been an escort since 2005 - in all those years of seeing and doing every deviant thing imaginable I still have no use for watching two burly dudes make out and poke each other.

That doesn't make someone's attraction to tranny porn any less of a homo erotic experience. See, the thing is - it's all about the phrasing people use to protect their oh so fragile view of sexuality/masculinity. You hear guys say that they like chicks with dicks. That's an oxymoron. The truth of the matter is that they simply like dudes who look a whole hell of a lot like girls. It's just that simple. Man up and deal. I did, now I have all the fun, make all the bank, and have not a sliver of shame or embarrassment about it.

The fact of the matter is ya'll are here because all the pretty lil things you drool over have COCKS. COCKS! Totally homo and not a damn thing wrong with it. Man up... your wives don't know your here. You can be free here... no one is going to make fun of you. Why would we? Ya'll pay our rent!



Unfortunately... Mac Hine, and Magic One.. are right :( I mean, no matter how beautiful, feminine, curvacious, or passable, transexuals are... we are born male. Regardless of how big our boobs are, how big our asses are, how long our hair is, how soft we are, how many surgeries... still were born male, with a male mentality! You guys love that we are as horny as you are. Male on male action = gay sex, no matter how you try to analyze or justify it. You are fucking ASS! Someone with a cock and balls, and testosterone. And thats what you like! Well atleast the cock & balls part :wink: Wether you are sucking it, touching it, getting fucked by it, or just knowing its there. And YAY! for you guys who say... I like them for their beauty, femininity, exoticness, sex appeal, etc... :|

A MALE with a cock and balls, fucking a WOMAN... tits + soft skin+ long hair + a PUSSY = STRAIGHT SEX :banghead

I was in denial about this for along time also. I always wanted to believe I was with a straight guy, but when it comes down to the nitty gritty! :sadcry

[giovanni_hotel]

But see, I don't imagine you truly consider yourself female Jamie. Apparently neither does Celeste, not really on a deep psychological level.

Like I said before, I could have a sexual encounter and personally have no contact with a girl's dick.
I don't know about others, but initially after making frantic efforts to avoid TS porn, one thing that intrigued me was that when a tgirl climaxed, there was no faking going on.
The orgasms were real, whereas in str8 porn the female orgasm is mostly a myth. SO in a way, I felt the sex was more real, a genuine experience happening, (btw as far as str8 porn goes, I mainly only watch amateur for the same reason).

I'm not gonna judge because apparently there's a place for someone like Celeste, you or me, Jamie, on a board like HA.

But my perspective is totally different from either of you.

If you went to an exclusively gay club, if you surveyed the clientele, do you really think more than maybe 5% find men AND TGs equally sexually desirable??

Str8 guys into tgirls are generally attracted to GGs also, if not mainly so.

It's like this for me; when it comes to GGs, I have a near criminal phat azz obsession. If a girl has a donk and isn't 300+#, to me she's very fuckable. But there are millions of GGs I would not touch with a borrowed dick, even though they still had a pussy.

If a TG is not attractive to me personally, I'm not interested. And if her personality isn't a fit w/ mine, there's no chance of it being anything more than just sex.

About her cock, I could care less really about her size. I prefer functional, but it's not a deal breaker.

You're entitled to believe what you will, Jamie, and think those who don't agree are fags in denial, but most on HA I bet don't agree with you, both the guys and the TGs.

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

"Apparently neither does Celeste, not really on a deep psychological level."

That's exactly what I'm talking about - science doesn't give a shit what any of us think about ourselves - And neither does the doctor that fills out your birth certificate.

It really kills you that I broke down the fourth wall doesn't it? Not reinforcing your little fantasies bother you much? Sorry bro - I'm not one of those performers that speaks as if every line I type comes from a carefully worded craigslist ad. Just deal - I ain't going anywhere.



But see, I don't imagine you truly consider yourself female Jamie. Apparently neither does Celeste, not really on a deep psychological level.

Like I said before, I could have a sexual encounter and personally have no contact with a girl's dick.
I don't know about others, but initially after making frantic efforts to avoid TS porn, one thing that intrigued me was that when a tgirl climaxed, there was no faking going on.
The orgasms were real, whereas in str8 porn the female orgasm is mostly a myth. SO in a way, I felt the sex was more real, a genuine experience happening, (btw as far as str8 porn goes, I mainly only watch amateur for the same reason).

I'm not gonna judge because apparently there's a place for someone like Celeste, you or me, Jamie, on a board like HA.

But my perspective is totally different from either of you.

If you went to an exclusively gay club, if you surveyed the clientele, do you really think more than maybe 5% find men AND TGs equally sexually desirable??

Str8 guys into tgirls are generally attracted to GGs also, if not mainly so.

It's like this for me; when it comes to GGs, I have a near criminal phat azz obsession. If a girl has a donk and isn't 300+#, to me she's very fuckable. But there are millions of GGs I would not touch with a borrowed dick, even though they still had a pussy.

If a TG is not attractive to me personally, I'm not interested. And if her personality isn't a fit w/ mine, there's no chance of it being anything more than just sex.

About her cock, I could care less really about her size. I prefer functional, but it's not a deal breaker.

You're entitled to believe what you will, Jamie, and think those who don't agree are fags in denial, but most on HA I bet don't agree with you, both the guys and the TGs.

[giovanni_hotel]

It's not all about cock to me, that's all. No walls here, I don't find men sexually attractive.

You remind me of guys who say if you have a threesome with another guy and a girl, you're gay. Or if the other guy accidentally touches you, it's gay. Of if the other guy's sweat comes in contact with you, it's gay.

Apparently Jamie you don't believe in the concept, ( or reality) of transgendered people.

It's all about the cock, or the pussy, and if you try to see anything more to it than that, to paraphrase Jamie-think, 'you're a fool.'

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

How many times do I have to say it? Nothing makes you gay but there is no denying that it is a homosexual activity. You can have those without being full flaming gay - So you screw a dude? It's not like you're marrying anybody - you're just doing what your dick tells you. Men will stick there dicks in anything if they think they can get away with it. Doesn't mean you're gay - at the same time there's nothing about screwing trannies that makes that moment of sexual congress anything less than a physically homosexual activity.


It's not all about cock to me, that's all. No walls here, I don't find men sexually attractive.

You remind me of guys who say if you have a threesome with another guy and a girl, you're gay. Or if the other guy accidentally touches you, it's gay. Of if the other guy's sweat comes in contact with you, it's gay.

Apparently Jamie you don't believe in the concept, ( or reality) of transgendered people.

It's all about the cock, or the pussy, and if you try to see anything more to it than that, to paraphrase Jamie-think, 'you're a fool.'

[Ben]

Jamie is so right when she writes: "You hear guys say that they like chicks with dicks. That's an oxymoron. The truth of the matter is that they simply like dudes who look a whole hell of a lot like girls. It's just that simple."
And, too, Kirsty Scott is quite popular. Check out the pics below. Enough said.
Anyway, we live in a patriarchal society. And men have to be manly. And it's too effeminate to like other men. (God! Ya know, this is so tedious.... I mean, sexual orientation is meaningless.)
So, anyway, well, men reject their liking of other men because of, well, fear. Fear of being rejected by friends and family and the broader society. Fear. It's amazing how fear controls everyone.

[bte]

You hear guys say that they like chicks with dicks. That's an oxymoron. The truth of the matter is that they simply like dudes who look a whole hell of a lot like girls. It's just that simple.

The truest statement on HA.

[bat1]

a shemale is still a man with heels and lipstick on...

[tsparisangelline]

this is a joke right?

[rockabilly]

Here's a question , Is straight anal porn a gateway to trans porn?

[alyssaluxor]

sorry but for me being a transexual/shemale/ladyboy is not about wearing high heels and a lipstick

for me its all about my heart, mind and soul saying im a girl. I may not be born in a girls body but my heart, mind and soul is a girl ;)

by the way even if I dont have high heels and lipstick and just even wearing a shirt and a rubber shoes, im still a girl and looks like a girl ;)

[Coroner]

sorry but for me being a transexual/shemale/ladyboy is not about wearing high heels and a lipstick


But it is for Jamie as it seems.

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

Everybody just keeps confirming my point - the thing you keep hearing over and over again always goes something like this - 'It doesn't matter how you were born, it's all about how you feel inside'

If that keeps you sane, well hell's bells that's just dandy but personal feelings have absolutely nothing to do with the facts.

You see, it doesn't matter if I call my self a shemale, a dude, a chick, some kind of weird asexual - at the end of the day it's all about whatever any individual customer wants to call me because those are the people I make my content for. Those are the people I service in my home.

If I'm going public as sexual product for all intents and purposes, my image belongs to my market. Call me whatever you want - But I'm not going to label myself as anything other than a good time.

[giovanni_hotel]

The cross-dressers and transvestites for whatever reason don't believe there's such a thing as transsexuals. I'm sure many of them think, ' what does a TG have or do that I don't?'

Many CDs/TVs assume IMO that there's no difference in occasionally dressing up and feeling 'like a woman' and a TG who believes in her head that she IS a woman.

Jamie is a performer, so his/her opinion on that matter should be taken with a grain of salt; whatever you want him to be, he will be. Which is to say he sees himself as nothing more than a pair of chromosomes, testicles and a penis.

But this is what happens when you have an open forum like HA that allows all types to join; you get all psychological types, part-timers, lifers and admirers.

If you really believe that a TG female is a guy w/ high heels and lipstick on, IMO you're a gay man who loves effeminate men.

Just a really bad idea to ask a part-time CD what it means to be transgendered, because they aren't. They have no real understanding about the years of counseling, therapy and surgeries required to permanently transition one's gender.

[TranHeat]

I never had inclinations towards other males growing up. I still don't, but when I was able to accept and enjoy Shemale porn gradually I could tolerate and enjoy gay porn almost as well. I'm just wondering if I'm the only guy who has experienced this. For me, Shemale porn lead to trying strap-on sex. this lead to crossdressing, which lead to gay porn and the realization that i`m a cock loving sissy.

[smithken]

ya, like i find callahacs avatar extremely gros. but if it was angeles cid its would be extrmely hot!

[Deuce69]

I have never being attracted to guys and never will. I am new to the game, but 80% of the time I have been with a tranny I have bottomed.

[Jackal]

The truest statement on HA.

bullshit. There is more to being a woman than genitalia. A pre- or non-op transsexual is not a guy and its fucked up to call her one. Now, I will agree that a lot of guys into ts porn have at some point viewed gay porn and/or are bisexual or bicurious. I also think a lot of guys not into ts porn are as ideas like sexual fludity, curiosity, being gay/bisexual, etc. are often suppressed by society in general. Heck, guys have to secretly seek pegging with gg because there is such a black/white and strict view on anything that is possibly related to being gay.

That said, don't call transsexual women men because it is untrue and offensive.

[dezz]

bullshit. There is more to being a woman than genitalia. A pre- or non-op transsexual is not a guy and its fucked up to call her one. Now, I will agree that a lot of guys into ts porn have at some point viewed gay porn and/or are bisexual or bicurious. I also think a lot of guys not into ts porn are as ideas like sexual fludity, curiosity, being gay/bisexual, etc. are often suppressed by society in general. Heck, guys have to secretly seek pegging with gg because there is such a black/white and strict view on anything that is possibly related to being gay.

That said, don't call transsexual women men because it is untrue and offensive.

The truest statement on HA

[mcaextreme69]

Yes it is, and your half-way there man....run while you still can....

[mac.B]

If you fall in to gay porn there was probably an aspect of you that wanted that all along.

[RallyCola]

no one falls into gay porn. you click on it because you want to see it. if our of curiosity or just desire...you watch once. repeating the behavior means you liked it.

personally, i like my porn like i like my girls...with boobs.

[giovanni_hotel]

I you look at a man's dick in straight porn, you're probably going to turn gay.
In fact, repeatedly seeing naked men in straight porn is a slippery slope towards raw dog anal with a hairy, musclebound bear.

[callahac]

no one falls into gay porn. you click on it because you want to see it. if our of curiosity or just desire...you watch once. repeating the behavior means you liked it.

personally, i like my porn like i like my girls...with boobs.

Personally, I like my porn like I like my girls.......with cocks.

[gregorysgirl]

Interesting debate. I used to enjoy watching dom GG's with strap-on's, however I found TS porn a LOT hotter!

Can only speakfor myself, but I don't find guys attractive at all....

[Dobladito]

I like my girls for being girls. A TS is a woman who was borned with a male rack. I like girls for being girls, no matter what they have. Specially beautiful ones.

Their dick is feminine, more like a big clitoris.

[funkbrother]

I barely post here, but I do read a lot. Why does everyone care so much about terminology, gay, straight, beastmaster. Who cares, be happy with yourself and what you enjoy..

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[RallyCola]

I barely post here, but I do read a lot. Why does everyone care so much about terminology, gay, straight, beastmaster. Who cares, be happy with yourself and what you enjoy..

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no one is talking about terminology...there are 100s of other threads to do that. the question at hand is...is tgirl porn a gateway to gay porn. the answer is either...yes...i started watching tgirl porn but now like to watch men fucking men. no...i started watching tgirl porn but it has not led me down the fudge packing highway. that is all.

[LeelaWang]

well just to add my 2 cents...taking enough psychology classes to at least have a minor in it, this reminds me of of something i learned...

there are two distinct categories of sexual characteristics, primary and secondary, primary being the genitals only, secondary being everything else. so when guys are ogling women, what do you think draws their attraction? do men go walking around the street yanking down panties saying "hmmm that's a mighty fine vagina ya have there, let's copulate" and not care about how the rest of them look like? of course not. people use the secondary characteristics to gage attraction predominantly, so straight guys who like femme TS's, i don't they are necessarily gay per se(haha rhymes...) so ya...think of it of what ya will...

[tomvan20000]

I have no desire for the male physique. I will say though, over the years, my tolerance for TS "imperfections" has eased. If i see an EXTREMELY pretty/feminine tgirl who turns out to be TV, i can still get off as long as her hair is real and she keeps the bra on. If it comes off though, i cant do it.

[danthepoetman]

NO! God! why would it be?

[MdR Dave]

. . . Walking around the street yanking down panties saying "hmmm that's a mighty fine vagina ya have there, let's copulate"...

lmao!

[youngblood61]

NO!!!!:roll:

[Bahadir]

I never enjoyed to while watching fucked guys,still prefer GG porn mostly.

[timid1]

For me, I adore TS Girls . I certainly love the more feminine type.
I respect what others like. I personally have no interest in GG . But I enjoy the open , all-encompassing , understanding feel of this great site. You get from it what you want . In the nicest possible sense I don't care what others feel . just be cool, and enjoy.
God bless all with an honest open mind to accept others for being themselves .
x

[yourbottomboy]

Well for me I love the dick and tits aspect of t-women... that's why i like t-porn... Now is it a gateway i say no!

But i also like gay porn and the thought of gay sex with a feminin looking man turns me on to.
That's one reason i like cd's.

The other thing is that i prefer the tgirl to top guys in videos etc.. I don't really care all that much for guys fucking the tgirl.
I don't see it as a gateway... I see it as a personal preference

[rydermorrison]

bullshit. There is more to being a woman than genitalia. A pre- or non-op transsexual is not a guy and its fucked up to call her one. Now, I will agree that a lot of guys into ts porn have at some point viewed gay porn and/or are bisexual or bicurious. I also think a lot of guys not into ts porn are as ideas like sexual fludity, curiosity, being gay/bisexual, etc. are often suppressed by society in general. Heck, guys have to secretly seek pegging with gg because there is such a black/white and strict view on anything that is possibly related to being gay.

That said, don't call transsexual women men because it is untrue and offensive.

lol i think its funny how some guys call it "pegging" when theyre really just getting fucked in the ass...

[Rusty Eldora]

For now I am fascinated with Cock, need to suck more of them and feel them rammed into me. Yet I do not find myself checking out guys, well I might admire in pics a guys unit if well hung or pretty, but TS really turns me on.

I still find gg to be my primary sex, but my dreams are of well hung TS girls.

[GrimFusion]

I think any type of porn can be a gateway to any other type of porn so long as the genres both appeal to the viewer's preferences and fetishes. In other words, transsexual porn doesn't eventually lead straight men to watch gay porn unless they weren't straight to begin with. On the other hand, a bisexual man might switch from watching transsexual porn to gay porn or vice versa.

Is shemale porn a gateway for straight guys to gay porn?
Generally no, but there are exceptions.

[Merkurie]

lol i think its funny how some guys call it "pegging" when theyre really just getting fucked in the ass...

Its women who call it "pegging" because "fucking your man in the ass" was already taken.

[rydermorrison]

Its women who call it "pegging" because "fucking your man in the ass" was already taken.

I've def never heard a woman use that term. I'm sure it was coined by a guy so as to be able to talk about getting fucked in the ass whilst preserving their fragile male ego..

[Taylor25]

I watch tgirl porn but turns me on only if the tgirl is good lookin' and femine. I'm not aroused by crossdressers and stuff like this, crossdresser it's still a dude inside. Definitely not aroused by guys, I've never seen gay porn and have no desire to do it, so for me TS porn it's not a gateway to gay porn, unless deep in your mind you're gay or bisexual.

[TheGuard]

I think it may be for some, possibly those that may be attracted to men and can't admit it. I've been into tgirl porn for 15 years (I'm 28 now) and I've never been sexually attracted to a guy or watched gay porn, there's nothing wrong with being gay, but I genuinely think that there should be another term for being attracted to transsexuals because sometimes there really isn't a bleed over.

[rydermorrison]

I think it may be for some, possibly those that may be attracted to men and can't admit it. I've been into tgirl porn for 15 years (I'm 28 now) and I've never been sexually attracted to a guy or watched gay porn, there's nothing wrong with being gay, but I genuinely think that there should be another term for being attracted to transsexuals because sometimes there really isn't a bleed over.

its called being straight.... guys who only like black girls dont need a special term do they?

[bearfactz]

No, it's a gateway for straight guys into shemale porn.

[Dino Velvet]

Becoming an altar boy is the gateway to gay pornography.

[GrimFusion]

its called being straight.... guys who only like black girls dont need a special term do they?

Nope. I think what he's trying to say is he'd like a new term to differentiate straight admirers from bisexual or gay admirers because public opinion seems to be that we're all a bunch of thirsty cockbandits. I don't see the sense, though. So long as the scene remains publicly taboo and there are homophobes and right-wing religious types in the world, we're always going to be seen as gay. No number of newly introduced terms are going to change that. The only remaining recourse is learning how to deal with our insecurities when people do lump us together or parting ways with people too quick to judge and too unwilling to listen.

[rydermorrison]

Nope. I think what he's trying to say is he'd like a new term to differentiate straight admirers from bisexual or gay admirers because public opinion seems to be that we're all a bunch of thirsty cockbandits. I don't see the sense, though. So long as the scene remains publicly taboo and there are homophobes and right-wing religious types in the world, we're always going to be seen as gay. No number of newly introduced terms are going to change that. The only remaining recourse is learning how to deal with our insecurities when people do lump us together or parting ways with people too quick to judge and too unwilling to listen.

my bad. i assumed he was one of the many guys on this forum that view trans women as something other then women... i have absolutely no time for those guys..

[amberskyi]

my bad. i assumed he was one of the many guys on this forum that view trans women as something other then women... i have absolutely no time for those guys..

there are guys that are into transwoman for different reasons.some fellas see us as woman and thats what attracts them.i however encountered guys who see us as just really pretty boys

[rydermorrison]

there are guys that are into transwoman for different reasons.some fellas see us as woman and thats what attracts them.i however encountered guys who see us as just really pretty boys

lol i wrote a whole paragraph about how those ppl's fetish is based in false appropriation but then i deleted it... those guys r just weirdos..

[amberskyi]

lol i wrote a whole paragraph about how those ppl's fetish is based in false appropriation but then i deleted it... those guys r just weirdos..

lol ive started to do that more often,deleting would be comments.sometimes its just better to not burst peoples bubbles

[danthepoetman]

I think it may be for some, possibly those that may be attracted to men and can't admit it. I've been into tgirl porn for 15 years (I'm 28 now) and I've never been sexually attracted to a guy or watched gay porn, there's nothing wrong with being gay, but I genuinely think that there should be another term for being attracted to transsexuals because sometimes there really isn't a bleed over.

its called being straight.... guys who only like black girls dont need a special term do they?
Ryder is right, TheGuard: gay men are attracted to men, not to women, even with a little extra. Guys who are into t-ladies are straight.

Oups! had not read this from Grim: " I think what he's trying to say is he'd like a new term to differentiate straight admirers from bisexual or gay admirers because public opinion seems to be that we're all a bunch of thirsty cockbandits. I don't see the sense, though. So long as the scene remains publicly taboo and there are homophobes and right-wing religious types in the world, we're always going to be seen as gay. No number of newly introduced terms are going to change that. The only remaining recourse is learning how to deal with our insecurities when people do lump us together or parting ways with people too quick to judge and too unwilling to listen." If it was the intention, I could indeed find some merit to it.

[LongTom101]

not for me

am extremely attracted to GGs and have had sex and relationships with a good number

am also turned on sexually by facially feminine and petite build Tgirls with big everhard cocks; I masturbate now and again to tgirl porn and have been with a small number of Tgirl escorts, but find that I generally have a far better time sexually with GGs.

never been sexually attracted to guys, never had a gay experience, never been even tempted, and this hasnt changed despite my indulgences with tgirl escorts and Tgirl porn and my stress free acceptance and realisation of this aspect of my sexuality

additionally, gay porn doesnt turn me on and holds no interest for me

[MHarrigan82]

http://thethirdestate.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/picard-facepalm2.jpg

How many times do we have post like this? If I like tgirls does this make gay. I like tgirls and ggirls. I am more interested in the girl personality and attitude than rather than what is between her legs. I am not interested in guys at all. If liking tgirls makes me bisexual so be it.

[GrimFusion]

How many times do we have post like this?

Once every week or two. There seems to be a lot of really confused dudes around here. :shrug

[MHarrigan82]

Once every week or two. There seems to be a lot of really confused dudes around here. :shrug

You are right Grim every week Grim we have a post like this.

[bluesoul]

perhaps if we have one 3 times a week instead of once every week, we'll be more straight

[MHarrigan82]

perhaps if we have one 3 times a week instead of once every week, we'll be more straight

Yeah I am sure that will help.

[danthepoetman]

:D:banana::):dancing::wiggle::dead-1::smile::violin:shrug

[TheGuard]

Nope. I think what he's trying to say is he'd like a new term to differentiate straight admirers from bisexual or gay admirers because public opinion seems to be that we're all a bunch of thirsty cockbandits. I don't see the sense, though. So long as the scene remains publicly taboo and there are homophobes and right-wing religious types in the world, we're always going to be seen as gay. No number of newly introduced terms are going to change that. The only remaining recourse is learning how to deal with our insecurities when people do lump us together or parting ways with people too quick to judge and too unwilling to listen.

Exactly, thanks for that - I know this is something we've been over a million times, but then I see guys on here who only care about giant cocks and are into anything with a cock. Maybe I am insecure in how I'm viewed, don't know why, but I don't like being lumped into that category. I like to think I'm fairly respectful and open minded. I view trans-women as women, I'm very comfortable with myself in my everyday life (may not sound like it) - my girlfriend knows that I'm attracted to women, with or without penises. I suppose I was just trying to answer the OP, I genuinely don't view it as a gateway.

[maxpower]

Becoming an altar boy is the gateway to gay pornography.

Haha

[danthepoetman]

Exactly, thanks for that - I know this is something we've been over a million times, but then I see guys on here who only care about giant cocks and are into anything with a cock. Maybe I am insecure in how I'm viewed, don't know why, but I don't like being lumped into that category. I like to think I'm fairly respectful and open minded. I view trans-women as women, I'm very comfortable with myself in my everyday life (may not sound like it) - my girlfriend knows that I'm attracted to women, with or without penises. I suppose I was just trying to answer the OP, I genuinely don't view it as a gateway.
I relate to those feelings, TheGard. I sometimes do feel uncomfortable myself about it. Yet in my case, I’m not sure the preoccupation would be to dissociate myself from this other way of appreciating t-ladies, although I don’t share it. As far as I feel from how it represents t-women, I think we’re even much further away from what people in general feel about all of us combined outside of sites like HA, as GrimFusion alluded to. Besides, our feelings are probably the results of all the negativity surrounding homosexual and bisexual practices in society, such negativity we should do our best never to encourage.

[LongTom101]

http://thethirdestate.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/picard-facepalm2.jpg

How many times do we have post like this? If I like tgirls does this make gay. I like tgirls and ggirls. I am more interested in the girl personality and attitude than rather than what is between her legs. I am not interested in guys at all. If liking tgirls makes me bisexual so be it.

And every time someone posts that they feel confused, or are even the least bit curious about what is an interesting aspect, and almost never discussed aspect, of male sexuality, someone on a great big high horse berates them for 'being pathetic'.

How very 'enlightened' :loser:

If these types of posts piss off the 'tranny lover and fiercely proud of it' brigade then why bother to click on these threads and comment ?

Why waste your 'valuable' time ?

Having personally never been attracted to men and never having had a gay experience or even been vaguely tempted to; on accidentally coming across some Tgirl porn on the web in my 30s, I got turned on, surprisingly to me, and then so on and so on and eventually leading to a greater discovery and acceptance of this side of my sexuality.

I came onto this forum and posted a similar 'offending' question, mainly to see if there were many others out there like me who arent gay but get very turned on by certain types of feminine looking tgirls.

i got the standard, 'youre a pathetic, confused, gay, idiot..etc' response from quite a few, but a few others were patient and understanding.

I was never really confused, conflicted, scared or worried, but truly intrigued, especially since this is an aspect of sexuality that is almost never, ever discussed. Are there any well known scientific/psychological studies on this phenomenon ?

So why be so surprised, let alone frustrated or angry and bitchy, that guys (who usually, and for good reason, consider themselves pretty much 'straight') who find themselves suddenly attracted to 'chicks with dicks' find their way onto this forum (there dont seem to be too many forums like this around) and ask questions like this ?

[tragicomedy]

It's got to be, at least here in the U.S.

Take a look at the comments of the guys on these message boards and the content of North-American sites, as well as the stuff out of Italy.

It's not only dominated by gay guys but dominated by gay bottoms.


If you want to see North American or Euro scenes with the guy as a total top, you are going to have to look a lot harder. Your other option is Brazil (which is mostly vers or guy on the bottom anyway) or the stuff coming out of Thailand, which is mostly guy on top.


There is also a lot of bondage scenes where the guy gets screwed. It seems to be for guys who are in denial about being gay, but they are the most cock-hungry dudes around. I wonder what regular gay guys think of bottom chasers?


I feel like the English speaking market does little to nothing for fans who want to see the guy as a total top fucking the tgirl. I know that we are a much smaller market niche, but come on...