Ann Coulter

[TheGuard]

http://journals.aol.com/richardbk8/TheSentryNewsDigest/entries/811
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2005/03/mann-coulter.html

A bit of a lighter subject. So, Ann Coulter is a rumored to be a transsexual, I was wondering the girls opinion on this? :twisted:

http://www.rawilson.com/images/coulter.jpg

[Vicki Richter]

She also has a type 3 forehead, is 6 ft tall, huge hands... her wrinkes on her forehead are very telling also. She preaches family values, but has no children of her own... at her age. Her childhood data is sealed apparently. Also some aussie guy says that men and women bend at different points in their body typically. I need to validate this... but if that is true that is another method to tell.

I would say that I would give it a 90%+ chance that she is T. The bitch should admit to it though. What a hypocrit.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

Vicki please tell me what a type 3 forehead is

let's go through the pics from her actual site and see if we can find any airbrushing etc.

here's the link: http://www.anncoulter.org/cgi-local/gallery.cgi

and here are some pics to get you photoshop pros started on zooming in:

http://www.anncoulter.org/photos/smile.jpg

http://www.anncoulter.org/photos/silver-dress.jpg

http://www.anncoulter.org/photos/062402closeup.jpg

http://www.anncoulter.org/photos/ann_al.jpg

this last shot shows her neck really well, which is what I think we are all really trying to see:

http://www.anncoulter.org/photos/annfox.jpg

personally I think she's a broad (GG, cuz I call "some" of you T's broads too,lol) but thats only because I was listening to her on Howard Stern one morning and Howard & Artie kept talking about how hot she was (then again Howard said Farah Fawcett was hot months ago)

[phungu2]

this is just SOOOOOOOOO fucking tasty. That viscious hate-monger should be outed if true - AND THERE"S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT....

she's continually condemning and attacking gays/homosexuals/et al as evil and as "perverts" and was a 4-square supporter of all the anti-gay marraige diversionary legislation during the last election. Her hypocrisy makes her fair game on the subject.

Vicki, isnt the adams apple prima facia evidence that she's a Tranny? btw, I've seen many more pix of her and video where its even more pronounced than in the photo above (i was a politics junkie during the election season).

[joyboy123]

A couple years ago I was up in San Francisco visiting my sister. We had lunch with an attorney friend of hers (who happens to be gay) of course the conversation got around to politics, Ann Coulter and he mentioned how it was a big joke because she used to be a man. I thought he was kidding of course until I thought about it a bit.

[NYCe]

On her Time Magazine cover photoshoot, she said that they used a fisheye lens to make her feet look much bigger than they really are. One now wonders....

[TexasTman]

Enough with the withchunt! I do not for one minute believe that Anne is a ts. Move on to something more productive than grinding the rumor mill.

[Ecstatic]

I doubt very much that she is a TS. Her Adam's apple in itself signifies nothing: many women have pronounced Adam's apples, despite the fact that this trait is vastly more common among men. However, it is weirdly interesting to speculate; a quick google of "ann coulter a transsexual" brings up 19,000 listings.

[LG]

I doubt that Ann Coulter is a TS.

And yes, in case anyone's wondering, it is possible for a woman to have an Adam's apple.

Unless all these lovely ladies are T-girls.

Hmm...that's an intriguing thought.

[popperluv]

She is one Right Winged hardcore bitch.
I highly dought she is a TS

[Vicki Richter]

Here are the cards stacked against Ms Coulter...

6ft tall

Type three forehead (that means she has a strong brow bone - the bone which goes accross the forehead underneath the eyebrows - like men have. It isn't unheard of in women, but it's rare)

Adams apple

She apparently bends at the hips instead of the waist (whatever that means)

Big hands

Big feet

She has not been forthcoming with her childhood records (where she went to school etc)

I am not saying that she definitely is, but I would say there is a high probability. I had an intersexed TS friend who looked just like her I think.

V

[Vicki Richter]

http://journals.aol.com/richardbk8/TheSentryNewsDigest/entries/811
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2005/03/mann-coulter.html

A bit of a lighter subject. So, Ann Coulter is a rumored to be a transsexual, I was wondering the girls opinion on this? :twisted:

http://www.rawilson.com/images/coulter.jpg

You can really see her brow ridge in this picture. It's very strong and sticks out from her face as can be seen from the shadowing. Most women don't have this.

[Realgirls4me]

this is just SOOOOOOOOO fucking tasty. That viscious hate-monger should be outed if true - AND THERE"S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT....

she's continually condemning and attacking gays/homosexuals/et al as evil and as "perverts" and was a 4-square supporter of all the anti-gay marraige diversionary legislation during the last election. Her hypocrisy makes her fair game on the subject.



Just her hypocrisy, or whatever dementia she suffers from ? How anyone on the Right would align themselves with this Right-wing kook is beyond me. She's just another shameless lying disturbed bitch from the Right who makes her living by making Liberals the bane of all evil, thus turning the country against itself. ...When she is outed, I wonder how the hollier-than-thou Conservative Right will react. :)

[steeveX]

Enough with the withchunt! I do not for one minute believe that Anne is a ts. Move on to something more productive than grinding the rumor mill.

NO, lets return her (him?) the favor of witchhunting. that bitch has to be degraded no matter what gender. oh sorry texasMan for insulting your hate-hero

[hondarobot]

This is a pretty interesting thread. You can't hate Ann Coulter just for being a conservative. I know a lot (well, actually not that many) people who consider themselves conservative and they are honestly good people. It's a shades of gray, vs black and white thing. Many conservatives/right wing people believe in personal responsibility, less government interference in peoples lives, fiscal issues that if they were to actually work would be good for the general populace, ect.

But, unfortunately for the most part, they are wrong. At least in regards to how the Republican party is currently pursuing those ideals.

Fascists believe in absolute control to maintain the status quo. To keep us "safe" by making sure there is no latitude that would allow any problems to arise.

That, currently, is what the majority of the right wing believes.

Ann may very well be a TS. Rush Limbaugh is a drug addict. George Bush is a "reformed" alcoholic, former coke snorting buffoon. Who cares? It's what they do in public that matters and their private lives shouldn't factor into it. Hypocrites? Sure, big deal, I don't care. Public figures should do their job, and that's all that really effects you or me.

Disagree with them on important issues, not what they do at home at the end of the day.

I don't think it's a conservative/liberal thing at all. It's just that a lot of fundamently bad people seem to have captured the primative impulses of the U.S. majority right now and are riding this thing for all it's worth.

[steeveX]

Public figures should do their job, and that's all that really effects you or me.

Disagree with them on important issues, not what they do at home at the end of the day.
.

yeah, tell that to the usual suspects when theres the witchhunters out there - always republican/conservatives.

[hondarobot]

What would you suggest, steeveX? Something along the lines of the French revolution?

A very simplified way to look at things is: Either you can be a Sith or a Jedi. The pursuit of control, to make people think your way, cuts both ways, and it's never a good idea.

Read Animal Farm. No matter how bad things get, I personally would never let myself become one of the pigs in the farm house, regardless of the ideals I might be pursuing.

Catcher In The Rye comes to mind as well. You might not be able to save the world, but the least you can do is try to do a little good.

And yes, I know how melodratic, hippy dippy that sounds, but I'm sticking to it.

8)

[TrueBeauty TS]

If indeed it were to come out that she WAS a TS, I don't think it would hurt her or the republican party at all. In fact, I think they would use that to their advantage claiming what a diverse party they are and all are welcome to join their compassionate conservatism.

As for Ann, she'd probably admit it, then say what a horrible mistake it was, and then lobby for a law against sex change practices to "save" others from the horrible mistake that she made.


America loves reformed sinners.

[Realgirls4me]

This is a pretty interesting thread. You can't hate Ann Coulter just for being a conservative. I know a lot (well, actually not that many) people who consider themselves conservative and they are honestly good people. It's a shades of gray, vs black and white thing. Many conservatives/right wing people believe in personal responsibility, less government interference in peoples lives, fiscal issues that if they were to actually work would be good for the general populace, ect.

But, unfortunately for the most part, they are wrong. At least in regards to how the Republican party is currently pursuing those ideals.

Fascists believe in absolute control to maintain the status quo. To keep us "safe" by making sure there is no latitude that would allow any problems to arise.

That, currently, is what the majority of the right wing believes.

Ann may very well be a TS. Rush Limbaugh is a drug addict. George Bush is a "reformed" alcoholic, former coke snorting buffoon. Who cares? It's what they do in public that matters and their private lives shouldn't factor into it. Hypocrites? Sure, big deal, I don't care. Public figures should do their job, and that's all that really effects you or me.

Disagree with them on important issues, not what they do at home at the end of the day.

I don't think it's a conservative/liberal thing at all. It's just that a lot of fundamently bad people seem to have captured the primative impulses of the U.S. majority right now and are riding this thing for all it's worth.

As long as they aren't harming anyone, I could care less what one does in the privacy of their own home, but when their -- the Right-wing's -- hypocrisy leads them into my bedroom, or the bedroom of others, and tries to tell them how to live, then I've got a problem with that -- a big problem with that.
As far a the Liberal/Conservative thing, have you seen her books, give a speech, respond to questions ? There is no gray in her world. Everything -- EVERYTHING -- is the fault of Liberals, and as a Liberal, I resent that. Who again lives in a black and white world ? She does.
I would just love to see her outed just to see the hardcore Rightwingers cringe. Their reaction would be so much fun to watch. :)

[Felicia Katt]

Ann Coulter is a political pornographer who panders to the extreme right. Like in regular porn, the story line (ie facts) are secondary to the mood and tone, all of which serve the sole purpose of giving Conservatives a big self righteous political hard on.

Read Al Franken's Book Lies and the Lying Liars, and you will see the sort of inaccurate spew she puts forth. Or go online and find one of the many websites that will document, chapter and verse, the distortions, mischaracterizations and outright lies she will make to try to press her arguments. In her world, Joseph McCarthy is a hero, Nixon a victim, Clinton a criminal, and anyone who disagrees a treasonous traitor.

I think she is probably a TS and probably hates herself for it, as she has argued, any good Conservative should. The hatred she shows others flows from abject self hatred.

Felicia

[TheGuard]

Certainly some interesting input here, In the grand scheme of things I quite like it, it makes life seem that much more...creative. An extremely rightwing conservative self-loathing transsexual, you can't write this stuff. Oh, and thank you to the girls for their input :wink:

[TominNYC]

Shit, when I first read this post I thought it was a joke but after doing a video search on Yahoo and downloading some videos of Ann I think it might be true!!! She has a TS-like voice and look.... check it out

[Hugh Jarrod]

Women have Adam's appels they just don't crack like a man's does during puperty. Why the witch hunt thing and rumor loving.

[Realgirls4me]

Women have Adam's appels they just don't crack like a man's does during puperty. Why the witch hunt thing and rumor loving.

We, her detractors in here, thought we'd attempt the impossible: to lower ourselves to her deplorable and depraved depth.





...We've failed miserably at this point. :(

[LG]

I agree with the above. Ann Coulter may be a lying fascist bitch- I'm quoting here, so don't sue me (though I do actually think she's pretty good looking) who resorts to using low blows and name-calling liberals and who believes that she knows everything, but I doubt she's a TG. And so what if she is? Yes, that would mean that she's a hypocritical fascist , but most lying fascists are, anyway. Again I quote someone else.

In fact, it might even make her more bearable, even attractive in my eyes (Yeah, she may be an extreme right wing maniac but she's pretty good looking... And she has a dick too...Interesting, very interesting. Get her to shut up for a while and there might be some possibilities there).

The problem with Ms Coulter is not she is or isn't a genetic woman or a tranny, the problem with Ms Coulter is quite simply that she is Ann Coulter. And the type of genitalia she might be hiding underneath her skirt is irrelevant- whether masculine or feminine it doesn't make a difference. I doubt Ann Coulter simply can get any worse.


Words of advice to Ms Coulter:

1. Go see a shrink about your 'issues'.

2. Force yourself to read Al Franken and Michael Moore while nodding constantly and shouting "He's right! My God, he's so right" after every paragraph, then work yourself to a trance while watching 'The Motorcycle Diaries" and saying "Liberals good. Right wingers bad' a thousand times.

3. Take out some time to watch a few decent stand up comedians, read some Dave Barry or Woody Allen so that you can digest the fact that your 'caustic' quips you make in your writings and speeches aren't really that funny at all, and read some PJ O' Rourke to that how a right winger can write a humorous and likeable, though politically driven book that will still get laughs from liberals who might disagree with most of what he adheres to.

4. Next sign a declaration to never write a book again, unless it's a children's book about how to make sculptures out of garbage or how to make origami birds, or unless you get a frontal lobotomy first.

5. Finally, have a double extra dry martini, then come over and see me. I'm sure we can find some interesting 'common ground' to discuss.

[Hugh Jarrod]

I agree with the above. Ann Coulter may be a lying fascist bitch-

An Ayotollahesque pompus cocksucking ironfisted mad ranting fascist pig bitch!

[steeveX]

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0006FUDL0/qid=1119995987/sr=8-8/ref=pd_bbs_ur_8/002-4789496-4316842?v=glance&s=toys&n=507846

would make a great voodoo doll

[thanos]

I heard Michelle Malkin is really a Ladyboy. Any truth to this :lol:

[BoNBoN]

I always wondered about Debra Norville. Take a look...

[hondarobot]

OK, I guess this has gone on long enough, the truth must be told!

Ann Coulter is in fact. . .


Absolute Shade!

8)

[Felicia Katt]

Hugh, we finally agree on something, besides agreeing to disagree LOL just add post op to that, and its perfect

meow

Felicia

[Realgirls4me]

Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Sean Hannity, Jay Severin, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage ... What a soup of shit that would create, huh ?

[GroobySteven]

Add the new Dennis Leary to them - what a sellout he is.

seanchai

[Felicia Katt]

Dennis Leary? or Dennis Miller?

[speck]

Not that I am a fan of Ann Coulter...I am not. She is a shill for the republican party of course. and she is insanely over-the-top. But there are people who do the same thing for the Democrats. Not sure how anyone can attack Coulter while holding Michael Moore as a virtuous liberal.

A friend of mine attended a very liberal UC school. He went as a diehard liberal. He came back after a few years much conflicted on his political views. I will emphasize now that he has not become a born again christian conservative. He has rethought his political views though. The reason is due to the total intolerance for ideas out of the mainstream at that campus. Anyone with conflicting points of view were shouted down.

Kinda like what is going on in this thread I guess.

The ones accusing Coulter of intolerance most vehemetely seem to be very intolerant themselves.

And Im not sure what in the world Coulter has done to deserve the label Facist which is indicative of some one who rules a nation with no democracy, no citizen input, etc. I have never heard her advocate something like that.

Come to think of it, I'm not sure anyone in this thread has actually ever heard more than a sound bite or two of Coulter.

[Realgirls4me]

Not that I am a fan of Ann Coulter...I am not. She is a shill for the republican party of course. and she is insanely over-the-top. But there are people who do the same thing for the Democrats. Not sure how anyone can attack Coulter while holding Michael Moore as a virtuous liberal.

A friend of mine attended a very liberal UC school. He went as a diehard liberal. He came back after a few years much conflicted on his political views. I will emphasize now that he has not become a born again christian conservative. He has rethought his political views though. The reason is due to the total intolerance for ideas out of the mainstream at that campus. Anyone with conflicting points of view were shouted down.

Kinda like what is going on in this thread I guess.

The ones accusing Coulter of intolerance most vehemetely seem to be very intolerant themselves.

And Im not sure what in the world Coulter has done to deserve the label Facist which is indicative of some one who rules a nation with no democracy, no citizen input, etc. I have never heard her advocate something like that.

Come to think of it, I'm not sure anyone in this thread has actually ever heard more than a sound bite or two of Coulter.

* You're comparing Ann Coulter to Michael Moore ? Who in here is blinded by their ideology ? Coulter will never admit to any wrongdoing by Republicans and Conservatives, and will never -- NEVER -- give credit to Liberals for anything. It's always a liberal's fault for whatever ails this country in her eyes. She sees things in the starkest of black and white terms. Moore on the other hand will denounce his party, and will give credit where credit is due. You're really comparing apples and oranges in this case.

* There are schools across the south which do the same thing that your friend encountered. Your point being ? I can imagine how my Liberal views would be welcomed at, say, Texas A&M. Question: Why is it always the left that must be open or tolerant of rightwing views, and rarely the other way around ? Read anything by Ann Coulter and then tell me just how tolerant she is, and also who the fascist is.

* As far as tolerance goes, yes I'm politically on the Left and wear the Liberal tag proudly, but that doesn't stop me from admiring many a politician from the other side of the aisle, even when I haven't cared for their policies or beliefs many times. Let's see, there's Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan (even though he fucked the country up), Chuck Hegel, John McCain, ...
You ?

* I think you need to read her books, or watch C-SPAN to see what she's all about, Speck. She's a person in need of some serious help, and let me add, that as a Political Science Minor in college, I can tell you that my assessment of her is based on far more than just a few soundbites.

[muffer77]

Speck you are right, as much as i agree with most of the people in this thread, i have to say that there are also Zealot Democrats who think that they hold the key to True Freedom, Democracy and peace, which is not true.I have found myself in political arguments with Michael Moore wannabe's, and i have found that if i differ from what they say i am a right wing neo conservative, it is fucked up that in this country can say Fuck The Republicans, but god forbid if i ever say Fuck the Democrats, they are as bad any any fucking party, we have to realize that politicians are looking out for their own interest and not the people, regardless of political affiliation.

[rocklob]

muffer77, pardon my nosiness, but where do you live? Since the inauguration of Ronald Reagan to the demonization of Bill Clinton, to the birth of Fox news, it seems to me it's been not only ok, but very profitable to say Fuck the Democrats for the last 25 years.

This sort of reminds me of something Jon Stewart said last night. He showed a clip of a Texas evangelical who was complaining about the "persecution of Christianity" in America today. Then pointed out that Chrisitans had been running the Western world since the Emperor Constantine. In my lifetime (48 years) I have NEVER seen the democrats when in power shitting on the Republicans in public forums with such glee and abandon as the Republicans do now.

But then again, I'm a commie pinko fellow traveler who ought to go back to Russia. I just vote for democrats to piss off Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh.

[johnb]

clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here i am, stuck in the middle with you

[hondarobot]

Awhile back, on a different site, some of us came up with a viable alternative third party candidate. Everything was going well, despite the fact that he was in fact a cricket who lived underneath an aquarium, but then this blonde girl killed him.

I don't believe her actions were politically motivated, but it was a great loss for the nation none-the-less.

True story.

[joyboy123]

Awhile back, on a different site, some of us came up with a viable alternative third party candidate. Everything was going well, despite the fact that he was in fact a cricket who lived underneath an aquarium, but then this blonde girl killed him.

I don't believe her actions were politically motivated, but it was a great loss for the nation none-the-less.

True story.

Was it by any chance a really big aquarium and was the blonde girl somebody we know?

[Felicia Katt]

Not that I am a fan of Ann Coulter...I am not. She is a shill for the republican party of course. and she is insanely over-the-top. But there are people who do the same thing for the Democrats. Not sure how anyone can attack Coulter while holding Michael Moore as a virtuous liberal.


I guess Robin Hood and the Sherriff of Nottingham were the same too? Ann Coulter preaches on behalf of the wealthy and powerful, from a pulpit of intolerance and divisiveness. Michael Moore takes on the wealthy and powerful, and is only intolerant of their selfishness and hypocrisy. if you want see some virtuous liberalism, you should watch Bowling for Columbine or Farenheit 911. He may be strident, but he sticks to the facts. And he is funny. Ann Coulter is strident, but she is more fictional than factual. And far from funny.

Felicia

[hondarobot]

Those are heavily guarded state secrets joyboy.

To identify the assassin may put my own life in peril.

8)

[Ecstatic]

And besides, it just wouldn't be cricket.

(I feel like I should meow after that comment.)

[LG]

Speck said:


And Im not sure what in the world Coulter has done to deserve the label Facist which is indicative of some one who rules a nation with no democracy, no citizen input, etc. I have never heard her advocate something like that.

Come to think of it, I'm not sure anyone in this thread has actually ever heard more than a sound bite or two of Coulter.

Okay, then you have a point.... so for the benefit of everyone who's only heard one or two soundbites, here some real quotes by Ann Coulter, along with some comments of mine. Loooking at them I'm thinking, either she's off her rocker, or she's had too much crystal meth with her whisky, or, worse still, she really means everything she says.

She seems to seriously think that killing civilians in war is a good idea and thinks that the US has the right to impose its religion on others

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."

In this one she quite simply has no idea what she is talking about:

"Liberals become indignant when you question their patriotism, but simultaneously work overtime to give terrorists a cushion for the next attack and laugh at dumb Americans who love their country and hate the enemy."

She seems to have a rabid hatred of what she considers the liberal press:

"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."

She has only a very basic undertstanding of the Bible and an even weaker grasp on ecology:

COULTER: I take the biblical idea. God gave us the earth.
PETER FENN (Democratic strategist): Oh, OK.
COULTER: We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees.
FENN: This is a great idea.
COULTER: God says, "Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours."
FENN: Terrific. We're Americans, so we should consume as much of the earth's resources...
COULTER: Yes! Yes.
FENN: ... as fast as we possibly can.
COULTER: As opposed to living like the Indians.

She should've listened to more Marvin Gaye in her youth ('War is not the answer, only love can conquer hate').

"(Sheryl) Crow explained that the 'best way to solve problems is to not have enemies.' War solves that problem too: We won't have any enemies because we're going to kill them. Crow warned of 'huge karmic retributions that will follow.' She seemed not to understand that America going to war is huge karmic retribution. They killed three thousand Americans and now they're going to die."

She thinks that everyone who doesn't share her views is evil or stupid:

"There are a lot of bad republicans; there are no good democrats."

"Liberal soccer moms are precisely as likely to receive anthrax in the mail as to develop a capacity for linear thinking. "

"Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots, and on the matter of America's self-preservation, the difference is irrelevant. "

She compares a man who plotted to kill thousands with liberals, as if she'd like to see Kent State happening all over again:

"When contemplating college liberals, you really regret once again that John Walker is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors."


and some more....

"People like you caused us to lose that war." (yelled at a disabled Vietnam Vet)

On Princess Diana's death: "Her children knew she's sleeping with all these men. That just seems to me, it's the definition of 'not a good mother.' ... Is everyone just saying here that it's okay to ostentatiously have premarital sex in front of your children?"..."[Diana is] an ordinary and pathetic and confessional - I've never had bulimia! I've never had an affair! I've never had a divorce! So I don't think she's better than I am."

"I have to say I'm all for public flogging. One type of criminal that a public humiliation might work particularly well with are the juvenile delinquents, a lot of whom consider it a badge of honor to be sent to juvenile detention. And it might not be such a cool thing in the 'hood to be flogged publicly." from MSNBC 3/22/97

"My libertarian friends are probably getting a little upset now but I think that's because they never appreciate the benefits of local fascism." MSNBC 2/8/97

Really nice woman that Ms Coulter, isn't she?

[hondarobot]

Add the new Dennis Leary to them - what a sellout he is.

seanchai

What's going on here? First Seanchai brutally attacks Allanah regarding Thai escorts (or whatever it was), now he's launched a crusade to smear the good name of Dennis Leary! It's madness, madness I tell ya!

For Gods sake, will someone get this man a tin of beans?!

8)

p.s. This is just wonderful, I've finally been forced to use the little "quote" box thingy. . .

[hondarobot]

Hmmm, Ann Coulter seems to think John Walker exemplifies liberal minded people? The guy who joined the Taliban?

Crazy. I had no idea hard line fundamentalists were actually liberal.

[steeveX]

yeah and hard line conservaitves are in fact fascists. yeah hondarobot u never stop learning

to put a stop to that thread (at least my contribution) i dont care if that coulter loonie hides a dick or a pussy under her skirt i m sure in both occasions its a stinky bit of meat i never wanna get near. shes a totally negative hatemonger. if shes so patriotic i wonder why shes not wearing the uniform and puts her sorry ass in the line of fire in iraq, afghanistan and a hundred other places her beloved neocon politics have sent the youth of this nation to fulfil those neocons omnipotential phantasies and greeds

[geekmeat]

First
This "woman" is NOT a TS.
I have seen other tall women with adam apples in the military.
She is an evil cunt but so what?

[GMan]

TS or not...I'd still try to have a meaningful relationship with Ann Coulter...she is kinda cute...

[TheGuard]

Let's all just make out.

[Felicia Katt]

apparently, this dead horse was only sleeping

Ann Coulter neglected to answer the question on her Palm Beach County, FL voter registration form which asks the registrant to indicate sex by checking 'M' or 'F'
http://www.pageoneq.com/news/2006/coulter_041306.html

It could be that she was too busy. but its an interesting coincidence. But then again, she has lied multiple times on similar forms, listing the wrong birthyear on one, and the wrong address on this one.

FK

[chefmike]

It would be interesting if she were outed as a TS, if only to see the shocked and horrified reactions of the bigoted fools who actually agree with the venomous drivel that she spouts.

[joyboy123]

Friday, April 22, 2005
10:36:00 PM EDT
Ann Coulter Is A Man


Foul-Mouthed Blonde Had A Sex Change Operation

The Sentry has it on good authority that in real life Ann Coulter is a man. He/she was once Arthur Coltrane from Pickens County, Georgia, who went to Denmark when he/she was a teenager for a sex-change operation to become a woman, the operation being paid for by his/her wealthy and doting mother, Darlene Coltrane, heiress to a hog-farming fortune.



As Ann appeared more frequently on cable news and magazine shows, it was apparent that she was the only woman on TV with an "Adam's Apple." This led to some poking around in her/his background.

The consensus about "Ms." Coulter/Coltrane is that ONLY a frustrated and unhappy transsexual man could have such a vicious mouth on him/her. People are saying that his/her stunning blond locks are really a wig, which he/she got in a Copenhagen sex-toys and drag-queen supply shop, when his/her own hair fell out after the hormone shots took effect.

Having seen what makeup could do for drag queen Ru Paul, who in real life is a VERY plain-looking black man, everyone finds it not surprising that "Ms." Ann Coulter/Coltrane would have shunned his/her family hog-farming business for the brighter lights of the big city, since we have heard that without all that Danish foundation cream, he/she might easily have been mistaken for one of the livestock.

[arena95]

she was unknown to me, until now!
quite a creature!
looks like a t-girl to me, because of the legs.
wouldn't date her for the world, and I'm desperate!

[TrueBeauty TS]

I NEED ATTENTION!!!! I NEED ATTENTION!!!! SOMEBODY RESPOND TO MY POSTS!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!



Today, April 14, 2006 - Troll Terror Alert is at: RED





:roll:

[Trogdor]

Why do I got a feeling that the ghost of 'your_daddy' is skulking about here? :shrug

[specialk]

I'll need to see a cock in her ass and a cock hanging between her legs before I'll believe this CUNT ever had/has a dick.....just my opinion, anyway.

[chefmike]

I NEED ATTENTION!!!! I NEED ATTENTION!!!! SOMEBODY RESPOND TO MY POSTS!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!



Today, April 14, 2006 - Troll Terror Alert is at: RED





:roll:

LMAO...finally...a valid use for the neocon swine's so-called "homeland security".

[skweetis]

fuck politics, conservative, democrat, green party.
whatever.
we need government, but it is all dirty.

she seems like a complete moron though.

[Felicia Katt]

Given the lengths of their posts, exceeded only by their irrelevance, I guess some people don't realize that less is more, and that Moore is not the issue.

They also don't realize, that I will not address them or respond to them in any way until they apologize for saying that being gay or being transgendered is the same as being a child molestor or a sheep fucker. And since those on the right can never admit when they are wrong, hell will have to be as cold as Coulter's heart before that will ever happen.

FK

[Trogdor]

I'll need to see a cock in her ass and a cock hanging between her legs before I'll believe this CUNT ever had/has a dick.....just my opinion, anyway.

What if she had it cut off? :?:

[specialk]

I'll need to see a cock in her ass and a cock hanging between her legs before I'll believe this CUNT ever had/has a dick.....just my opinion, anyway.

What if she had it cut off? :?:

Sorry Trog...what if, ain't gonna cut it.....sho' me the pics! :peanutbutter :D

[johnb]

Felicia, you can be the Secretary of My State any time. That's a compliment. I would also like it if during your tenure, you dressed as a secretary. And that's a compliment, also

[APD2]

The woman looks like a prime candidate for AIS (androgen insensitivity syndrome) .I wouldn't bet on her being trans. With people digging up her background,her media prominence and America being such an open society it would have come out by now;put it this way-there should be dozens of fellow classmates going to the media with there stories of ann as a guy.Not one. :roll:

[White_Male_Canada]

Given the lengths of their posts, exceeded only by their irrelevance, I guess some people don't realize that less is more, and that Moore is not the issue.

They also don't realize, that I will not address them or respond to them in any way until they apologize for saying that being gay or being transgendered is the same as being a child molestor or a sheep fucker. And since those on the right can never admit when they are wrong, hell will have to be as cold as Coulter's heart before that will ever happen.

FK

Irrelevant if she repsonds or not.

The relevance comes when a person forwards opinion as fact,as does FK does when telling us M.Moore`s fictions are gospel truth when in reality are pure Riefenstahl propaganda.Moore and his Big Lie become the issue when presented as truth.

Does FK also believe that the psychiatric community also apoligize for their professional conclusions ? Perhaps instead of the usual knee-jerk emotional response FK would present an opposing rational argument.When lost for one,the only option left is the knee-jerk.

DSM-IV-TR and the Paraphilias: An Argument for Removal by C.Moser and PJ Kleinplatz.

Professionals from UCLA to Hong Kong in the field of psychiatry and psychology agree that a lack of consent from the child doesn't necessarily mean adult-child sexual relationships are harmful.

Should relatives of Alfred Kinsey also apoligize? Kinsey wrote that the psychic damage to children who have sex with adults comes from the horrified reaction of adults, not from the sex itself.

In Table 34 of his book. He used pedophile research who kept detailed records of their child sex, including those of a baby of 5 months and a 4-year-old he sexually manipulated for 24 hours.

You condemn groups for thinking differently.Isn`t that interesting.

As for Coulter,she tweaks the colective noses of the extremist left and the public is given a show as they knee-jerkingly react with the gnashing of teeth and ripping of flesh. Exactly the response she wanted.

The jokes on you and you STILL don`t get it,which makes it twice as humorous.

[specialk]

Something else that's humorous White_Pinhead_Canada:

Here's a quarter, call someone who actually gives a fuck about you, and your kind :P :P :lol:

[OutlawKind]

Careful, Felisha, I'd suggest not wasting your intelligence and articulation attempting to reason with unreasonable wingnuts--see, they're stupid, they don't learn well so they rarely get it. There's an old saying that goes something like this "never get into an arguement with an idiot, soon people can't tell the difference." Seems to me that you're so too hot & erudite for that.
Ok, another thing, everyone go listen to a Bill Hicks CD and get enlightened while you laugh your ass off; then put all thoughts of Dennis Miller and Denis Leary being comedians to rest, they're just assholes.

[chefmike]

:lol:

[chefmike]

It couldn't happen to a nicer gal(?)....

BRAD BLOG Publishes Exclusive Documents: Incident Report, Letter to Coulter from Palm Beach County Supervisor of Elections
GOP Propagandist May Also Be Guilty of Tax Code Fraud for Taking $25,000 'Homestead Exemption' if She Doesn't Actually Live in Palm Beach

Republican extremist/hate-monger, Ann Coulter may be on the verge of being tossed from the Voter Rolls in Palm Beach County, Florida.

The BRAD BLOG has also obtained exclusive official documents from the chain of events which has helped bring the GOP darling to a new place in her career: She has fallen completely silent.

Coulter, who appears to have committed a third-degree felony by knowingly giving an incorrect address on her voter registration form in Palm Beach, Florida, and then knowingly voting at the incorrect polling place last March, could face up to $5,000 in fines and five years in prison if convicted.

the rest of this article here-

http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002807.htm

[johnb]

i think ann coulter wouild be hot if she had a penis, and i could care less where she votes, as long as she votes once...but come on chefmike...a republican extremist/hate monger??? that's an example of a redundant statement

[BSMike]

I think she is probably a TS and probably hates herself for it, as she has argued, any good Conservative should. The hatred she shows others flows from abject self hatred.

Felicia

That is probably the most articulate thing that I have read on this thread.

[Vicki Richter]

A type 3 forehead is one that has a defined male brow ridge. You can see it very clearly in most if not all of her pictures. Some women have it but it is very uncommon.

Again:

Voice
Brow
Big feet
Big hands
Adams apple
6ft tall
Mysterious past

OK... Not sure what you guys are thinking.

[Felicia Katt]

I think she is probably a TS and probably hates herself for it, as she has argued, any good Conservative should. The hatred she shows others flows from abject self hatred.

Felicia

That is probably the most articulate thing that I have read on this thread.

thanks for the props :)

FK

[specialk]

Say Hi to everyone Annie!!

[TS-Mike]

Sorry Trog...what if, ain't gonna cut it.....sho' me the pics! :peanutbutter :D

Here is it:

[specialk]

Sorry Trog...what if, ain't gonna cut it.....sho' me the pics! :peanutbutter :D

Here is it:


Sorry Ts-Mike

You need to enroll in Pshop 101.....keep at it though

[BrendaQG]

ROFLMAO! This thread is the funniest stuff I have read on any message board anywhere. :lol:

Special K is right only a photo of her as a little boy or with a weener would prove anything.

I don't see anything contradictory about being Ts and "conservative" either. The current republicans govern like they are on crack. The dems govern like they smoked too much refer. Pick your poison because they all do the same thing to you in the end (no pun intended).

[chefmike]

I don't see anything contradictory about being Ts and "conservative" either.

Then maybe it's time you pulled your head out of your ass, pilgram...

Attorney General Gonzalez has declared war on ALL porn...the chimp-in-chief is fond of him because he served as shrubya's legal counsel and execution czar while the shrub was guv of Texas... where Gonzalez specialized in advising the shrub in regards to the speedy execution of retarded people ( I guess it's lucky for shrubya that he never wound up on death row in Texas )...



U.S. Attorney's Porn Fight Gets Bad Reviews
Obscenity Prosecution Task Force will focus on Internet crimes and peer-to-peer distribution of pornography
Julie Kay
Daily Business Review
August 30, 2005


When FBI supervisors in Miami met with new interim U.S. Attorney Alex Acosta last month, they wondered what the top enforcement priority for Acosta and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales would be.

Would it be terrorism? Organized crime? Narcotics trafficking? Immigration? Or maybe public corruption?

The agents were stunned to learn that a top prosecutorial priority of Acosta and the Department of Justice was none of the above. Instead, Acosta told them, it's obscenity. Not pornography involving children, but pornographic material featuring consenting adults.

Acosta's stated goal of prosecuting distributors of adult porn has angered federal and local law enforcement officials, as well as prosecutors in his own office. They say there are far more important issues in a high-crime area like South Florida, which is an international hub at risk for terrorism, money laundering and other dangerous activities.

Sources say Acosta was told by the FBI officials during last month's meeting that obscenity prosecution would have to be handled by the crimes against children unit. But that unit is already overworked and would have to take agents off cases of child endangerment to work on adult porn cases. Acosta replied that this was Attorney General Gonzales' mandate.

rest of this article here-
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1125318960389

Recruits Sought for Porn Squad

By Barton Gellman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, September 20, 2005; A21

The FBI is joining the Bush administration's War on Porn. And it's looking for a few good agents.

Early last month, the bureau's Washington Field Office began recruiting for a new anti-obscenity squad. Attached to the job posting was a July 29 Electronic Communication from FBI headquarters to all 56 field offices, describing the initiative as "one of the top priorities" of Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales and, by extension, of "the Director." That would be FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III.

Mischievous commentary began propagating around the water coolers at 601 Fourth St. NW and its satellites, where the FBI's second-largest field office concentrates on national security, high-technology crimes and public corruption.

The new squad will divert eight agents, a supervisor and assorted support staff to gather evidence against "manufacturers and purveyors" of pornography -- not the kind exploiting children, but the kind that depicts, and is marketed to, consenting adults.

"I guess this means we've won the war on terror," said one exasperated FBI agent, speaking on the condition of anonymity because poking fun at headquarters is not regarded as career-enhancing. "We must not need any more resources for espionage."

Among friends and trusted colleagues, an experienced national security analyst said, "it's a running joke for us."

the rest of this article here-

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/19/AR2005091901570_pf.html


I have said it before and I will say it again.

If you are ON THIS SITE, ANY PORN SITE, ALTERNATIVE LIFESTYLE SITE, or you practice any form of an alternative sexual lifestyle and you support Dubya and THIS ADMINISTRATION and consider yourself to be part f the right wing or moral majority-

YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A GOOD OLE' HYPOCRITE, IN THE CLOSET, YELLOW COCKSUCKER WHO LIKES TO TAKE IT IN THE ARSE, SWALLOW JIZZ, then politely wipe your mouth go home and kiss your wife- and then HAVE NERVE to talk shit about the homos and all the other rhetoric the right wing loves to spew out.

I know this type very well, because I have lived it. Believe you me, the ones out there talking shit about fags, trannys, rasing hell, fire, and brimstome, and trying to dictate morality- are the first ones to go suck a cock behind closed doors.

HYPOCRITES. Nothing but HYPOCRITES is all I can say.

[BrendaQG]

(Edited to remove unneeded venom. I need that for other things.)

I am a m2F TS who is a Muslim convert ( I thought my avatar makes that clear). I am religious but not preach and try to convert the masses religious. I am conservative in that I oppose abortion (in most cases), like having my taxes cut, and I like a strong armed force protecting me. I am also a scientist by training republicans fund science democrats do not.

Before anyone rips into me on the abortion thing. Suppose Ts ism could be prenatally screened for. How many parents would carry a Ts to term? I am afraid not many. As it stands Klienfelters XXY fetui are aborted 75% of the time according the ISNA. Why because the parents are afraid it may make their son gay or gasp transsexual.

I propose this thread be moved to the area designated for discussions of politics and religion.

[chefmike]

Repugs fund science? LMAO...what a crock...ever hear of stem cell research?

Strong armed force protecting you? Yes, our strong armed force is doing a hell of a job protecting the people of Iraq...

[TS-Mike]

8)

[specialk]

I'll buy that!!!.......nice job TS-Mike..........do you have this pic with the optional goatee? :wink:

[BrendaQG]

Repugs fund science? LMAO...what a crock...ever hear of stem cell research?

Have you ever heard of NASA? So underfunded and deteriorated under Clinton that now we can't even put a stupid space shuttle in orbit. While Bush wants to put us back on track to go to Mars. Democrats in general seem to see science as a waste of money. Let dems run the US for 20 years and there will be a brain drain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_drain).

As long as we stay away from evolution...Repubicans are generally friendlier to science.


Strong armed force protecting you? Yes, our strong armed force is doing a hell of a job protecting the people of Iraq...
Sure Iraqi's who would come here (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/28/AR2005092801631_pf.html) to suicide bomb are doing it over there instead. (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200604/s1611600.htm) As long as my ass isn't getting blown up there doing a heck of a job.

[chefmike]

LMAO...what a wise man...he uses his one and only veto against funding stem cell research, but he's going to concentrate on important matters like going to Mars. Maybe we can find the answers to the problems that stem cell research has the potential to help us with on Mars.

[chefmike]

And your article about the female suicide bomber proves what? That the Iraqi's hate us now that we've invaded their country and started a civil war? Thanks for that news flash... next you're going to tell me that the Iraqi's were behind 9/11, right? :roll:

[BrendaQG]

First about the topic of the thread. Ann Coulters real sin is being an outspoken intelligent woman. How dare she have strong opinions and not back down from them. Plus she looks fabulous. Therefore she must be transsexual. That attitude is just pure chauvinism.

If she was TS I would say more power to her for keeping a tight lid on her past and pulling the wool over everyones eyes for so long. So much for guys asserting that they could tell all along... :roll:

Chefmike you seem to have lots of faith in embryonic stem cells. So I really hate to break this to you.

Stem cell fakery called 'criminal act in academia' (http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/01/11/skorea.stemcell.ap/index.html)
I :x @ that Korean jerk.

So far the only reliable useful things have been done using adult stem cells donated from the one intended to be treated. This is not what "W" Vetoed. I will not justify the space program. The possible benefit to future generations ought to be self evident. Just because they will not be my direct decendants does not stop me from caring about them.

[chefmike]

In regards to stem cell research, there is some information in the thread below that may enlighten even such an obviously learned scientist as yourself...

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=9797&start=0

[BrendaQG]

I'll take that as a compliment. :-)

There aren't enough specifics in that article to pin down just what is supposed to be false. Rove's statement is so vague as to be interpreted in many ways. Politicians are good at that. On the one hand many many more (non fox) news reports I have seen mention adult stem cells as being the source matterial for most applications being tested now. On the other hand almost all scientist believe more could be done with embryonic stem cells. They believe someting which at this point is just speculation. More study ought to be done to see if their beliefs are founded. However promises should not be made that cannot be kept.

Where the hell is my flying car, hoverboard, and Mr. fusion!?

[chefmike]

As for repugs and science funding...

Democrats Offer Additional Science Funding --- During Committee consideration of the Republican resolution, the Democrats offered an amendment to provide $535 million more for science funding for 2003. This would have supported a 2.4 percent increase above the House Republican level; every Republican voted against the amendment, which was defeated.

http://www.house.gov/budget_democrats/congressional_budgets/fy2003/house_passed/250.htm

The Republican War on Science

Disdain for science and scientific expertise has been a hallmark of the Bush White House. Tampering with reports on climate change, suppressing science within the U.S. Department of Fish & Wildlife, radically misrepresenting the research potential of existing stem cell lines—these are just a few cases where the administration has distorted scientific research to appease political and business interests.

Though no previous U.S. government can match the current one for sheer brazenness, other Republican administrations have proved willing, on occasion, to subordinate science to politics. As Chris Mooney argues in his book, The Republican War on Science, disregard for scientists and the scientific method has grown and ripened with the modern conservative movement. From Barry Goldwater's anti-intellectualism, through Ronald Reagan’s sympathy for creationism and Newt Gingrich's passion for science "skeptics," on through the present day, Republicans have shown a marked preference for politically inspired fringe theories over the findings of long-established and world-renowned scientific bodies.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/qa/2005/09/chris_mooney.html

Republican-led Congress and science funding during the Clinton administration

Remarks on R&D Funding
by John Podesta
9/17/1999

....This morning, I'd like to explain why we believe that continued federal investments in research and development are so important, and why we're so troubled by the Republican attack on our science and technology budgets. We should all be working toward bipartisan progress -- not playing politics with an issue so fundamentally crucial to our nation's future.

Investments in science and technology -- both public and private – have driven economic growth and improvements in the quality of life in America for the last 200 years.

Many of the products and services we have come to depend on for our way of life in America -- from lasers to communications satellites to human insulin -- are all the products of US policies to encourage investments in science and technology....

In the last fifty years alone, technological innovation has been responsible for as much as half of the nation's growth in productivity. The information technology sector alone has accounted for one-third of our economic growth -- jobs in the IT sector are paying 80 percent above the private average wage....

Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan recently stated that rapid technological change has greatly contributed to eight years of record peacetime expansion, and is one of the forces producing what he called "America's sparkling economic performance...."

It seems logical that there would be strong bipartisan support for federal investments in science and technology. After all, thanks to farsighted, bipartisan investments, the United States today has an array of major scientific facilities and accomplishments that are the envy of the world. And economists of all ideological persuasions
agree that the government has an important role to play, because individual companies can never capture all of the benefits of research.

But this year, the Republican-led Congress, to make room for their risky tax plan, is playing politics with science and technology funding. They have proposed deep cuts in many important research programs. And in so doing, they are threatening the potential progress of innovation in America.

1) So far, they have cut the President's request for civilian R&D by $1.8 billion, an 8 to 10 percent reduction.

2) They slashed funding for the Administration's information technology research initiative by 70 percent -- a program that would sponsor a wave of innovations in the same way that the ARPANET led to today's Internet.

3) They blocked the Administration's proposed increase for the National Science Foundation -- the only agency that has the responsibility of supporting research and education in all science and engineering disciplines.

4) They cut the NASA budget by $1 billion, threatening over 30 space missions. These cuts endanger future NASA missions like the Chandra Project -- which recently beamed vivid images of exploding stars and black holes back to Earth.

5) They cut $580 million from the budget for environmental and energy research -- dramatically undermining our efforts to increase our understanding of climate change, to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, and to improve the quality of the air we breathe.

6) They eliminated the Commerce Department's Advanced Technology Program -- the only program that is explicitly designed to promote civilian technology in partnership with industry.

7) And by digging deep into the pork-barrel, they earmarked nearly $1 billion in R&D projects, undermining the discipline of competition and peer review, and slashing funding for higher priority projects. Although in 1994 Republicans pledged to cut wasteful spending, it's clear that they're more interested in larding up the budget
than pursuing cutting-edge research.

8) And as if this year's cuts weren't devastating enough, the Republican budget and tax plans could reduce discretionary domestic spending by roughly half in the coming decades -- inevitably leading to even further cuts in research and development. This is a 19th century budget for a 21st century economy. It appears that these Republicans grew up watching too much Fred Flintstone and not enough Jetsons.

These cuts are inconsistent with the Republican rhetoric on science and technology. Republican Senators have passed bipartisan legislation to double civilian R&D over an 11-year period. The Republican Chairman of the House Science Committee has introduced legislation that would authorize much of the Administration's
information technology initiative. But these lofty sentiments are nowhere to be seen in the House-passed appropriations bills, or in the Republican fiscal and tax proposals, which would devastate discretionary spending. We can't build a bridge to the 21st Century with press releases and empty promises....

Technological leadership is vital to the national interests of the United States. Most of the Federal research and education investment portfolio enjoyed bipartisan support during the first term of the Clinton Administration. I would hope that we can continue to extend this partnership with the Congress across our entire science and
technology agenda -- and promote private sector investment in research and development by supporting the R&D tax credit.

Such a partnership to stimulate scientific discovery and new technologies will take America into the new century well-equipped for the challenges and opportunities that lie ahead. A passionate interest in exploring new frontiers, a relentless quest for new knowledge, a fundamental belief in progress and in rising standards of living -- are all at the core of the American character.

Although it is virtually impossible to predict specifically how today's basic research results will eventually improve our quality of life, or to imagine the new industries and markets that will emerge, there is no question that such improvements and
industries will arise. Just as we now reap the harvest from past discoveries, the work of researchers and scientists will transform our lives as we move into the 21st Century....

Mr. Podesta is President Clinton’s Chief of Staff.

http://www.ssti.org/Digest/1999/091799.htm

[BrendaQG]

Ok you win. Republicans are the party of Satan. The only good one was Lincoln and he got shot.

Happy now?

[trish]

Ok you win. Republicans are the party of Satan. The only good one was Lincoln and he got shot.

Sad, but true. So when are you going to vote for God's party?

[chefmike]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that federal funding for stem cell research is a lot cheaper than sending a monkey (yes, I'm talking about the chimp in chief) to Mars...

After 10 Years, Few Believe Life on Mars
By Matt Crenson
AP National Writer
posted: 06 August 2006
11:28 am ET



It was a science fiction fantasy come true: Ten years ago this summer, NASA announced the discovery of life on Mars.


At a Washington, D.C., news conference, scientists showed magnified pictures of a four-pound Martian meteorite riddled with wormy blobs that looked like bacterial colonies. The researchers explained how they had pried numerous clues from the rock, all strongly supporting their contention that microscopic creatures once occupied its nooks and crannies.


It was arguably the space agency's most imagination-gripping moment since Apollo. Space buffs and NASA officials said that it just might be the scientific discovery of the century.


"If the results are verified," the late Carl Sagan pronounced, "it is a turning point in human history."


Ten years later, the results have not been verified. Skeptics have found non-biological explanations for every piece of evidence that was presented on Aug. 6, 1996. And though they still vigorously defend their claim, the NASA scientists who advanced it now stand alone in their belief.


"We certainly have not convinced the community, and that's been a little bit disappointing," said David McKay, a NASA biochemist and leader of the team that started the scientific episode.


But even though the majority of his colleagues don't buy his "life on Mars" theory—McKay's own brother, also a NASA scientist, is one of his most prominent critics—many say they respect him and greatly appreciate his efforts.


The announcement and the technical paper that followed it practically created exobiology, the scientific field that investigates the potential for life on other planets.


"Without that paper I wouldn't be working in this field," said Martin Fisk, a marine geologist who studies how bacteria survive under the sea floor, partly because their harsh environment may resemble that of extraterrestrial life.


Debating the claim has helped researchers develop standards that will eventually prove useful for evaluating the presence of life in other Martian meteorites or a sample from the red planet. It has given the scientific community ideas about exactly where on the planet they would most like to scoop up a sample, should they ever get to retrieve one.


And it is undeniable that McKay and his colleagues have drawn attention to what is—whether it contains evidence of life or not--a very interesting rock.


The rock in question was discovered in Antarctica, where rocks that fall from the heavens are easy to spot on the icy glacial plains. Its name, ALH84001, indicates that it was the first meteorite found during the 1984 research season in the Allan Hills, an especially meteorite-rich area in the Trans-Antarctic Mountains.


At first ALH84001 was misclassified, so it wasn't until 1993 that researchers even realized the rock came from Mars. That was interesting enough, because at the time fewer than a dozen Martian meteorites were known to science.


But ALH84001 also turned out to be much more ancient than the other known Martian meteorites. At 4.5 billion years old, it dates from a period of Martian history when liquid water—a requirement for the presence of life—probably existed at the now barren planet's surface.


It made sense to ask: Could there be fossils of ancient Martian microbes, or maybe traces of them, preserved in the cracks and pore spaces of ALH84001?


The NASA scientists proffered four reasons to support their view that the answer to that question is "Yes."


First, chemical analysis showed that the meteorite contained a variety of organic molecules known as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, or PAHs. PAHs can be produced by biological processes, and that's what McKay and his colleagues argued. But they are also commonly found in asteroids, comets and meteorites, not to mention the Antarctic ice where ALH84001 is estimated to have lain for 13,000 years. For that reason, skeptics immediately dismissed the importance of PAHs in the Martian meteorite.


A second line of evidence—that the elongated blobs in the electron microscope images could be fossils of ancient Martian bacteria—was also rejected pretty quickly by most scientists.


The problem was, those blobs were much smaller than any bacteria that have ever been observed on Earth. A National Research Council panel concluded in 1998 that the blobs were 100 to 1,000 times too small to be free-living organisms because they couldn't have held all the proteins, DNA and other molecules necessary for even the simplest metabolic processes.


You could argue that perhaps Martian life evolved a more compact biochemistry, or that the blobs shriveled as they fossilized. At one point McKay and the other NASA scientists suggested the blobs might be pieces of larger organisms.


"That was only mentioned once or twice and never brought up again," said Allan Treiman, a geologist at the Lunar and Planetary Institute in Houston.


The two other lines of evidence survived longer. Both revolved around minerals sprinkled through the meteorite that could have been produced by microbes.


The first mineral, carbonate, is typically formed on earth by the remains of living organisms that make shells and other skeletal parts out of minerals they extract from seawater. Some of those organisms can be quite tiny. So finding carbonate in ALH84001 could indicate the presence of ancient microbes in the rock.


The story is similar for magnetite, the other mineral of interest in ALH84001. Some bacteria produce extraordinarily small and pure magnetite crystals, then align the magnetic grains to make a microscopic compass needle that helps them navigate.


The bacteria don't use their internal compasses to find north; they use them to tell up from down. Earth's spherical shape means that a compass needle in either hemisphere points at least somewhat downward, so the magnetite grains help the microbes sense where they are with respect to the planet's surface.


Some of the most evolutionarily ancient bacteria on Earth produce magnetite, McKay and his colleagues pointed out. Perhaps ancient Martian microbes did as well; at least some of the magnetite grains in ALH84001 share the shape, small size and remarkable purity of those produced by bacteria on Earth.


Of all the lines of evidence presented by the NASA scientists, it was the magnetite grains that proved most provocative. They were embedded in the carbonate along with other iron-containing minerals in such an unusual arrangement that something out of the ordinary must have put them there—could it have been alive?


"The shape of the magnetite grains is still rather distinctive," McKay said. "If it were found on Earth it would be a very strong biosignature."


For years McKay and his detractors argued about how distinctive the magnetite grains in ALH84001 are, and whether a non-biological process could have produced them. Certainly nobody had ever produced similar magnetite grains in the laboratory.


Then somebody did. In 2001 a second team of NASA scientists, including McKay's brother Gordon and a consultant to the space agency named D.C. Golden, managed to cook up a batch of magnetite grains very similar to the ones in ALH84001. Golden and Gordon McKay were also able to incorporate the magnetite grains into balls of carbonate like the ones David McKay and his colleagues described in 1996.


"He got a little testy about the results we were getting," said Gordon McKay, whose office is down the hall from his brother's. ``What we have shown is that it is possible to form these things inorganically."


What's more, their laboratory method simulated conditions ALH84001 is known to have experienced during its time on Mars.


Yet David McKay insists his brother's team has not accurately described the synthetic crystals' shape, and that they aren't sufficiently similar to the ones found in ALH84001. He also suggests that the purity of the magnetite crystals stems not from the lab process itself, but from using unrealistically pure raw materials as a starting point.


Most of the scientific community doesn't buy those arguments.


"Personally I don't understand why (Gordon McKay's and) Golden's work hasn't just been the final word on it," said Treiman, the Lunar and Planetary Institute geologist.


Now David McKay has added another meteorite to the mix. At a March scientific meeting he presented microscopic images of the Nakhla meteorite, another Martian specimen. The pictures resemble pits that terrestrial bacteria create as they literally eat the volcanic rock of the sea floor.


"When I first saw it I was really struck by the similarity," said marine geologist Fisk, who is a professor at Oregon State University.


So far the scientific community hasn't shown much interest in David McKay's analysis of the Nakhla meteorite, partly because it dates from a more recent period of Martian history when the planet was just as frigid and inhospitable to life as it is today. In fact all of the 30-some Martian meteorites now known to science, with the exception of ALH84001, are probably too young to have contained living organisms.


But new Martian meteorites turn up almost every year. Eventually, another 4.5 billion-year-old piece of the red planet is going to be discovered.


"Sooner or later we're going to get another old rock," said Massachusetts Institute of Technology geophysicist Benjamin Weiss.


And when that happens, the talk about life on Mars will begin anew.

http://space.com/scienceastronomy/ap_060806_mars_rock.html

LOL!

The hens are a-cacklin.

[chefmike]

LOL!

The hens are a-cacklin.

Here's another pic of your favorite right-wing extremist hen...er, rooster...

[JRon]

She gave a talk at some book signing and it was on CSPAN last night and re-aired this morning...honestly when she gives her talks she doesnt come off as very intelligent and/or witty. It all comes off as blah blah liberals are bad and dumb blah blah conservatives really know the deal blah blah. Just a very us vs. them mentality. No real sustinence to her BS.

[chefmike]

Did you catch her on Hard(soft)ball? Even Don Imus and his wife ( who are not liberals, they live in Manhattan and are registered repugs) were talking about her mean spirited, nonsensical histrionics...

First about the topic of the thread. Ann Coulters real sin is being an outspoken intelligent woman. How dare she have strong opinions and not back down from them. Plus she looks fabulous. Therefore she must be transsexual. That attitude is just pure chauvinism.

If she was TS I would say more power to her for keeping a tight lid on her past and pulling the wool over everyones eyes for so long. So much for guys asserting that they could tell all along... :roll:

Chefmike you seem to have lots of faith in embryonic stem cells. So I really hate to break this to you.

Stem cell fakery called 'criminal act in academia' (http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/01/11/skorea.stemcell.ap/index.html)
I :x @ that Korean jerk.

So far the only reliable useful things have been done using adult stem cells donated from the one intended to be treated. This is not what "W" Vetoed. I will not justify the space program. The possible benefit to future generations ought to be self evident. Just because they will not be my direct decendants does not stop me from caring about them.


It's not chauvanistic, it's childish. The immature behavior and taunting of peter pan liberals.


But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.(rape them anally)

And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.



The bible warns Christians of this "pigs at the trough" mentality.

Certain posters do not warrant replies. They do not behave as men, nor as women.

When their ideologies are challenged, they reply with vileness and mockery. They'll paint a dick on Ann Coulter and use slurs like "Uncle Tom" against Condoleeza Rice or Colin Powell. They do not truly represent tolerance or love. When presented with reality, they cite media slant or unpublished studies.

Liberals are the same all over the world. They are people desperate to conceal the truth. It's in their media, it's in their studies and it's in their hearts.

And that's why they keep losing at the polls..... and even then they try to conceal the truth with conspiracy theory and recount withhunts.

[trish]

:smh

:smh


The UN is not a person or a god.

[BrendaQG]

@Trish

I vote for the green party if possible. Try to select the lesser of two eveils the rest of the time. That's all anyone can do.

@Tfan

Perhaps I am reading wrong but you sound more uptight than either Jesus or Mohammed.



The bible warns Christians of this "pigs at the trough" mentality.

Certain posters do not warrant replies. They do not behave as men, nor as women.



Ah but the bible also says the following....

Matthew 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

Seems Jesus is describing transsexuals (and the intersexed) there.

Further it is well known and easily found on the internet that Mohammed s.a.s knew at least two people who would be called transsexuals if they lived in our time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukhannathun). One used to vist a wife of Mohameds with whom they were friends. The other was almost lynched and Mohammed sent this person to live in another town. Like all religious leaders he did not like that we often end up in erotic entertainment. Such was the case even 1500 years ago, a long way from here geographically and culturally. Erotica was all people like me had to fall back on.

Perhaps I am reading wrong but you sound more uptight than either Jesus or Mohammed.

You are reading me wrong.



Ah but the bible also says the following....

Matthew 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.



Seems Jesus is describing transsexuals (and the intersexed) there.

Further it is well known and easily found on the internet that Mohammed s.a.s knew at least two people who would be called transsexuals if they lived in our time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukhannathun). One used to vist a wife of Mohameds with whom they were friends. The other was almost lynched and Mohammed sent this person to live in another town. Like all religious leaders he did not like that we often end up in erotic entertainment. Such was the case even 1500 years ago, a long way from here geographically and culturally. Erotica was all people like me had to fall back on.


On Eunuchs, the consensus among theologians is that "eunuchs" means "abstinent" or "chastity". The same is the consensus among late ascetic and essene jews.

So when Jesus talks about "have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake", he's not talking about surgery and hormones, he's talking about those who remain abstinent "for the kingdom of heaven".

From my studies, I've yet to find anything in the bible that condemns transexuality. It seems that the only people who push t's from Christ are bitter liberals and a few pitiful Christians.

[BrendaQG]

Pretty sure I had. You wouldn't be called Tfan if such things made you uncomfortable. :-)


On Eunuchs, the consensus among theologians is that "eunuchs" means "abstinent" or "chastity". The same is the consensus among late ascetic and essene jews.

Saying that the passages I have cited are in favor of transsexuality would be the only other interpretation. Since those who think themselves religious are often uncomfortable with sex they cannot say that. :-?

The trouble with what you cited is that it contradicts the accepted definition of a eunuch Wikipedia article: Eunuch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eunuch). I am really puzzled by how anyone can look at term and not see transsexuals who did not have surgery and synthetic hormones. Because such things had not been invented until the 20th century. Other than the medical procedures available to them they would be mentally indistinguishable from a modern transsexual.

The fact that many theologians will stick to the precise meaning of the words then deviate when that meaning is not to their taste exposes their hipocracy.

Thankfully I am submissive to Allah and practice a religion that feels sex itself is a natural thing to do. A religion that, while homophobic, is genuinely transfriendly. i.e. Tehran Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsexuality_in_Iran) reputedly has at least as many if not more transsexuals than New York. Due to a fatwa from Ayatolla khomeni the govt. will pay for their medical procedures and protect/oppress them just the same as any XX woman. Which is 100% more than we get out of the USA.

[chefmike]

Hey Bush-What's All This Firing of Gay Arabic Linguist Specialists?

Hey, Bush. How are you this morning?

You know, I think we're all very grateful the British Foreign Intelligence discovered that terrorist plot BEFORE it happened. That's really terrific.

I wonder if our intelligence is in as good shape? Can't tell yet.

And it makes me think of all those stories over the years about the Army firing soldiers who are Arabic linguists just because someone accused them of being gay.

Linguist, by the way, means they read and perhaps speak Arabic.

Boy, those language skills sound pretty helpful for the war on terror, huh?

Here's the latest one - a soldier named Bleu Copas was a decorated sergeant and Arabic language specialist, and he was dismissed from the U.S. Army under the "don't ask, don't tell" policy... though he didn't "tell" anybody, his dismissal was the result of a series of anonymous emails sent to superiors, accusing Bleu of being gay.

Now I admit it - his first name is scary. Bleu means "blue" in French. Why did his parents name him blue? And not only that but, judging from the picture that accompanies the CNN.com story, he's quite handsome. http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/07/27/gaysmilitary.ap.ap/

So much so, I suppose it's possible that a straight soldier who felt really horny one day might choose to dally with him. Or if not a straight soldier, maybe another gay soldier might choose to dally with him. And, boy, the world would be a less worthwhile place if that happened, wouldn't it?

President Bush, I know you and your evangelical and fundamental Christian base really value abstinence. You and they think that if people can just go through their lives and NEVER EVER HAVE SEX, the world would be a better place. You even prefer that American teenagers and African men, women and children die of AIDS rather than let anyone tell them of how to use contraception to protect themselves. That's your position, right? ONLY TALK ABOUT ABSTINENCE.

You really are a card. I know Jesus Christ talks to you, but you know what - he talks to me too, and he thinks you're just nuts.

So, okay - I doubt I can convince you to support telling people at risk of AIDS about condoms. I know it's just too important to you and your base that people not touch their genitals. And, of course, that is one of the main teachings of Christ, it's in the Beatitudes, "Blessed are they who never touch their genitals, for they shall be pure as the innocent babe."

Fine, we'll grant you that nobody should hear about condoms, and that sex is bad, and that touching yourself is bad, except in marriage where it's fine but slightly repellent. (I'm sorry, I'm channeling Saint Paul on that one.)

But tell me - I know you talk about the war on terror. Do you think just possibly you might not keep firing solidiers who speak Arabic, and who could be used to protect us?

Do you remember that there was a backlog of email messages in Arabic that related to 9-11, but weren't translated until several days AFTER 9-11, because there was a backlog of non-translated messages because the intelligence services don't have enough translators?

And it's not just Bleu Copas, Mr. President.

Look at this quote from the CNN story: "But the GAO [General Accounting Office] also noted that nearly 800 dismissed gay or lesbian service members had critical abilities, including 300 with important language skills. Fifty-five were proficient in Arabic, including Copas, a graduate of the Defense Language Institute in California."

Yo Bush. Do you speak Arabic? Does Laura? Does Condi? I won't ask about Donald, because he seems ready for a rest home... any hope of that, he doesn't seem well, I worry for him.

But really... 55 gay people in the army who are proficient in Arabic and you want them fired?

Gosh, and here I thought you wanted to protect us all in your war on terror.

Whaddya say, President Bush?

Do you think for five seconds you could not cater to your fundamentalist base, and you might try to protect us FOR REAL rather than just with a lot of fancy talk?

How about reinstating those 55 maybe gay people who are proficient in Arabic? And maybe find out about the other 745 who had "critical abilities." Sounds like they might be helpful too.

What do you think? Any chance you'll consider putting the safety of America above worrying about whether someone is gay or not?

(Here's another article with more information on this case and this issue: http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2077.html It's from a British gay newspaper, I hope that doesn't scare the President or anyone else. I don't think it turns you gay to read such a newspaper. It's just it has some information that wasn't in the CNN one. So don't be afraid.)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-durang/hey-bush-whats-all-t_b_27017.html

[trish]

:)

[BrendaQG]

:lol: ROFLMAO.
I can't think of a better way to end this topic. Oh crap I should not have posted this. :?

The trouble with what you cited is that it contradicts the accepted definition of a eunuch Wikipedia article: Eunuch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eunuch). I am really puzzled by how anyone can look at term and not see transsexuals who did not have surgery and synthetic hormones. Because such things had not been invented until the 20th century. Other than the medical procedures available to them they would be mentally indistinguishable from a modern transsexual.

The fact that many theologians will stick to the precise meaning of the words then deviate when that meaning is not to their taste exposes their hipocracy.

I doubt either of us hold a degree in Christian Science so I'm going to leave the biblical interpretations to those best studied and equipped to to interpret.

The biggest problem in both our attempts to interpret Matthew is that the interpretation is poor because of linguistical differences between english and an ancient semitic language, aramaic.

The metaphoric style of writing in the bible makes any further interpretation all the more contentious.

In short, what we're arguing over is a copy of a copy of a copy. We're best off leaving the interpretations to the scholars.


Thankfully I am submissive to Allah and practice a religion that feels sex itself is a natural thing to do. A religion that, while homophobic, is genuinely transfriendly. i.e.

That is a belief held by Christians, Muslims, Buhdists and Hindu's alike.


Tehran Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsexuality_in_Iran) reputedly has at least as many if not more transsexuals than New York. Due to a fatwa from Ayatolla khomeni the govt. will pay for their medical procedures and protect/oppress them just the same as any XX woman. Which is 100% more than we get out of the USA.

Our government GIVES what a government is supposed to GIVE.

LEGAL protection from bigotry and hate. Personally, "I'm the kind of man who likes to know who's buying their drinks for them". I'd much rather pay for my own needs and be given freedom and equal protection than to have my needs paid for by an oppressor.

It seems that in Iran, freedom is subjugated by fatwa.