Can someone explain to me why girls do the 'showgirl' look?

[Nowhere]

Ok, this is an honest question, but if a girl is aiming to look like the woman she is, why some of you put on the 'showgirl' look, which no GG on the planet would do? You know, the pasty white over-the-top makeup, which, while femme, screams out "drag queen" and "I was a man", not "I am a woman"?

Here's an example (ignore the thug, it IS a good pic of Erica looking like the woman she is) versus the total "drag queen" look at the bottom.

And, this really is an honest question. I simply never get why women who have made such an incredible effort in becoming who they are, choose to put on a look which says the exact opposite.

Maybe someone can explain?

[Trogdor]

Heh, most of the GG's over in my neck of the woods look like picture #2.....actually they use more than she does.

Comapred to them, #2 has the natural look :lol:

[WendyWilliams]

Umm thats because in the 2nd pic she is doing a "drag show" therefore she has on heavy makeup for the show............Alot of ts's still entertain in Gay clubs and Erica is one of the most well known Female Impersonators *sp* in our business......................Hence why the money in her hands she is at work and is dressed accordingly.

[justatransgirl]

I agree. Some girls wear heavy / stage makeup because they are performers. Like in the photos above, they don't do it off stage. Same with escorts, some will wear heavy makeup when they are "working."

And some girls do it because they are just learning and go a bit overboard. Jessica has a t-questioning friend who I think shovels on foundation with a trowel... :-)

Personally I'm lazy, all I wear is a little eyeliner and mascara and lipstick. If I'm going someplace fancy at night I'll add some eyeshadow and powder. Very rarely foundation and/or blush.

And Jessica seldom wears anything beyond lipstick - she looks like any other college girl.

But part of the fun of being a girl is playing with make-up.

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

[TomSelis]

Isn't she at a drag show in the second pic? Wouldn't that explain it? From my experience, the only times girls look like that is if they are doing a show. And the explaination that I got for looking like that at a show is a pretty deep one.

[Nowhere]

Isn't she at a drag show in the second pic? Wouldn't that explain it? From my experience, the only times girls look like that is if they are doing a show. And the explaination that I got for looking like that at a show is a pretty deep one.

Explain it, because that IS my question.

If you're going to go off and do a show as a "female impersonator" why don't you look 1000% "fish" (as they say) and not like someone who screams "I used to be a man" because of makeup overkill (and in that specific overwhite way that all Drag Queens do) that no GG on the planet would wear?

[MrsKellyPierce]

Ok, this is an honest question, but if a girl is aiming to look like the woman she is, why some of you put on the 'showgirl' look, which no GG on the planet would do? You know, the pasty white over-the-top makeup, which, while femme, screams out "drag queen" and "I was a man", not "I am a woman"?

Here's an example (ignore the thug, it IS a good pic of Erica looking like the woman she is) versus the total "drag queen" look at the bottom.

And, this really is an honest question. I simply never get why women who have made such an incredible effort in becoming who they are, choose to put on a look which says the exact opposite.

Maybe someone can explain? Ummm duhhhhhhhhhh The second pic is Erica at a show. Erica is a former Miss Gay USofA, Miss Universal ShowQueen, Miss Continental, Miss EOY, Miss International Queen, and the list goes on. She is a DRAG performer. Thats why she gets paid the big bucks, and thats why many other transsexual shows girls like myself get paid the MONEY darling!


DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH!

[MrsKellyPierce]

Isn't she at a drag show in the second pic? Wouldn't that explain it? From my experience, the only times girls look like that is if they are doing a show. And the explaination that I got for looking like that at a show is a pretty deep one.

Explain it, because that IS my question.

If you're going to go off and do a show as a "female impersonator" why don't you look 1000% "fish" (as they say) and not like someone who screams "I used to be a man" because of makeup overkill (and in that specific overwhite way that all Drag Queens do) that no GG on the planet would wear? Because you are "impersonating" you are supposed to show how you "paint" your face to look female. I can tell you that is not a good pic and if you saw Erica in person while she is 'painted' up she would mesmorize you. It doesn't look like that in person.

[mimiplastique]

yeah, there is a definite difference in what we choose to wear in certain situations...this is what most people on a daily basis see when they see me, it's my normal casual bummy clothes, jeans and tanks/tees is my normal if I am not working, and if I have to work, I look like my avatar...

shut the fuck up you don't even look like a transsexual faggot :evil: :twisted:

[mimiplastique]

Ok, this is an honest question, but if a girl is aiming to look like the woman she is, why some of you put on the 'showgirl' look, which no GG on the planet would do? You know, the pasty white over-the-top makeup, which, while femme, screams out "drag queen" and "I was a man", not "I am a woman"?

Here's an example (ignore the thug, it IS a good pic of Erica looking like the woman she is) versus the total "drag queen" look at the bottom.

And, this really is an honest question. I simply never get why women who have made such an incredible effort in becoming who they are, choose to put on a look which says the exact opposite.

Maybe someone can explain? Ummm duhhhhhhhhhh The second pic is Erica at a show. Erica is a former Miss Gay USofA, Miss Universal ShowQueen, Miss Continental, Miss EOY, Miss International Queen, and the list goes on. She is a DRAG performer. Thats why she gets paid the big bucks, and thats why many other transsexual shows girls like myself get paid the MONEY darling!


DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH!
Kelly doll lets not forget Miss Continental

[MrsKellyPierce]

Ok, this is an honest question, but if a girl is aiming to look like the woman she is, why some of you put on the 'showgirl' look, which no GG on the planet would do? You know, the pasty white over-the-top makeup, which, while femme, screams out "drag queen" and "I was a man", not "I am a woman"?

Here's an example (ignore the thug, it IS a good pic of Erica looking like the woman she is) versus the total "drag queen" look at the bottom.

And, this really is an honest question. I simply never get why women who have made such an incredible effort in becoming who they are, choose to put on a look which says the exact opposite.

Maybe someone can explain? Ummm duhhhhhhhhhh The second pic is Erica at a show. Erica is a former Miss Gay USofA, Miss Universal ShowQueen, Miss Continental, Miss EOY, Miss International Queen, and the list goes on. She is a DRAG performer. Thats why she gets paid the big bucks, and thats why many other transsexual shows girls like myself get paid the MONEY darling!


DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH!
Kelly doll lets not forget Miss Continental I said that girly, and furthermore. Your typical Las Vegas Showgirl paints her face the same way. I paint my face like a Las Vegas showgirl with white liquid eyeline black creased lid on the side and black liquid eyeliner and huge lashes when I am on STAGE. And it's also the only time I duct tape myself haha so I turn out looking like this by the end of the night!

[slinky]

I wish that for just one time you could stand inside my shoes
And just for that one moment I could be you
Yes, I wish that for just one time you could stand inside my shoes
You'd know what a drag it is to see you

[mimiplastique]

I wish that for just one time you could stand inside my shoes
And just for that one moment I could be you
Yes, I wish that for just one time you could stand inside my shoes
You'd know what a drag it is to see you
omg what a total asshole

[slinky]

OMG what a self centered CUNT.

[mimiplastique]

OMG what a self centered CUNT.
omg you would be the first one on your knees when these pants come down faggot so shut the fuck up

[thx1138]

@Mimi: as a teenager, were you angst ridden or a product of a materialistic environment? http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080226132654.huswelat&show_article=1 & http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080226103117.duhctnsx&show_article=1

[justatransgirl]

Uh - nevermind...

:-) :-) :-)

Giggle,
TS Jamie

[TomSelis]

Explain it, because that IS my question.

If you're going to go off and do a show as a "female impersonator" why don't you look 1000% "fish" (as they say) and not like someone who screams "I used to be a man" because of makeup overkill (and in that specific overwhite way that all Drag Queens do) that no GG on the planet would wear?

I think Kelly summed it up.

Look at the first pic, I'm guessing that's how she normally looks. The second pic is of her doing a show (which imo, she doesn't look bad at all). I have some experience with this because I dated a girl that did shows. Here's how it was explained to me: The people that run drag shows are gay guys. They want to see something outrageous and exaggerated, because that's their way of rebelling against mainstream society. When you're on stage, you have to exaggerate everything to be noticed and seen from a distance, that includes hair and makeup. Since the guys that do the shows aren't into women, they don't want to see women, they want to see overkill. How often do you see natal women walking around like Ms. America? It's a pageant.

I don't completely understand it myself, but there it is.

[Tomfurbs]

I wish that for just one time you could stand inside my shoes
And just for that one moment I could be you
Yes, I wish that for just one time you could stand inside my shoes
You'd know what a drag it is to see you
omg what a total asshole

Just for the record, he's quoting Positively 4th St. Totally awesome Dylan song. Just clearing that up.

[slinky]

omg you would be the first one on your knees when these pants come down faggot so shut the fuck up


I rarely hang around section 8 housing and when I do I know well enough to run fast when a pair of man beasts looking to score dope come offering $40 blowjobs so they can cop some dime bags.

[slinky]

Just for the record, he's quoting Positively 4th St. Totally awesome Dylan song. Just clearing that up.

Ignorant ghetto trash usually prefer to stay ignorant.

[gummi baer]

Ok, this is an honest question, but if a girl is aiming to look like the woman she is, why some of you put on the 'showgirl' look, which no GG on the planet would do? So no SHOW-GIRL is a female (GG)? How the fuck did the term wiggle its way into the vernacular if all the "showgirls" are cross dressers? Someone should hop down to Vegas and let them know right away.You can't imagine how dissappointed I am with Elizabeth Berkeley and Gina Gershon right now.

[Carrie_Parker]

Back on topic,

Stage make-up is stage mage-up because it is for the stage. People looking at you aren't 2 feet away...they are 20, 40, 200, or more away. The effect must be obvious.

When doing drag (or any other stage performance) more is less.

Just my 2 cents

[CORVETTEDUDE]

yeah, there is a definite difference in what we choose to wear in certain situations...this is what most people on a daily basis see when they see me, it's my normal casual bummy clothes, jeans and tanks/tees is my normal if I am not working, and if I have to work, I look like my avatar...

Cheri....I'm gonna find you and I'm gonna fuck you in the ass...if I can get away with it!!! You up for that???!!! :jerkoff

[Nowhere]

Explain it, because that IS my question.

If you're going to go off and do a show as a "female impersonator" why don't you look 1000% "fish" (as they say) and not like someone who screams "I used to be a man" because of makeup overkill (and in that specific overwhite way that all Drag Queens do) that no GG on the planet would wear?

I think Kelly summed it up.

Look at the first pic, I'm guessing that's how she normally looks. The second pic is of her doing a show (which imo, she doesn't look bad at all). I have some experience with this because I dated a girl that did shows. Here's how it was explained to me: The people that run drag shows are gay guys. They want to see something outrageous and exaggerated, because that's their way of rebelling against mainstream society. When you're on stage, you have to exaggerate everything to be noticed and seen from a distance, that includes hair and makeup. Since the guys that do the shows aren't into women, they don't want to see women, they want to see overkill. How often do you see natal women walking around like Ms. America? It's a pageant.

I don't completely understand it myself, but there it is.

Ok, THAT explains it. Thank you.

And, on a personal level, i'll be honest and admit that I really think it's really unflattering and not attractive when they do it. I think makeup on most women looks phenomenal when it actually, say, matches their skin tone, isn't overkill, etc. Add to this the fact that the idea of "female impersonation", to me, meant logically that they'd look as much of a GG as possible, not some exaggerated caricature of a woman that everyone knows isn't one, and the whole thing never made sense (to me).

To be honest, it still doesn't completely (why do gay men run it and not the girls themselves, so they can make the rules?), but it is what it is!

[justatransgirl]

yeah, there is a definite difference in what we choose to wear in certain situations...this is what most people on a daily basis see when they see me, it's my normal casual bummy clothes, jeans and tanks/tees is my normal if I am not working, and if I have to work, I look like my avatar...

Cheri....I'm gonna find you and I'm gonna fuck you in the ass...if I can get away with it!!! You up for that???!!! :jerkoff

If she's not I am for sure sweetie. I just noticed Southwest has $79 airfare to Denver. How's the weather?

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

[Tara Emory]

Well, I'm being a showgirl here in blue, but my makeup is pretty restrained...

And in the red and white pic, I was on stage in Montrea Fetish weekend, and they did CraZy stuff with my makeup.. which I would have never done. but it made my eyes look huge from far away.

-Tara

[slinky]

yeah, there is a definite difference in what we choose to wear in certain situations...this is what most people on a daily basis see when they see me, it's my normal casual bummy clothes, jeans and tanks/tees is my normal if I am not working, and if I have to work, I look like my avatar...

One of my ATF's I would specifically request she show up at the door in jeans and a wifebeater. Boy did she look good like that. So few women look their best in "hooker wear" (what you usually see women lounging around brothels or their incalls in; i.e. sheer negligee's, ). Then again, it's not just her who looks good in that outfit: I think all girls should try it some time and see what happens (it does, however, usually lead to guys talking to your tits).

[TsVanessa69]

Isn't she at a drag show in the second pic? Wouldn't that explain it? From my experience, the only times girls look like that is if they are doing a show. And the explaination that I got for looking like that at a show is a pretty deep one.

Explain it, because that IS my question.

If you're going to go off and do a show as a "female impersonator" why don't you look 1000% "fish" (as they say) and not like someone who screams "I used to be a man" because of makeup overkill (and in that specific overwhite way that all Drag Queens do) that no GG on the planet would wear?
Who gives a fuck? This is the dumbest bullshit I have read yet. We are transexuals a,d some of us are showgirls. Point blank. Erica
and many others like her use being a SHOWGIRL as a job, just like a Vegas show girl. What we do on stage and how we live or REAL lives are 2 totally different things. Now do you think a girl like Erica gives a fuck want you think of her and how she identifys to her family and friends. Females love our make up, its for stage asshole. Nobody goes grocery shopping with that much make-up on. :roll: :roll:

[Tomfurbs]

Already been taken care of boss.^^

Mimi, do you listen to much Dylan ?

[whatislove]

Stage makeup. All you really need to know.

[Nowhere]

Ok, THAT explains it. Thank you.

And, on a personal level, i'll be honest and admit that I really think it's really unflattering and not attractive when they do it. I think makeup on most women looks phenomenal when it actually, say, matches their skin tone, isn't overkill, etc. Add to this the fact that the idea of "female impersonation", to me, meant logically that they'd look as much of a GG as possible, not some exaggerated caricature of a woman that everyone knows isn't one, and the whole thing never made sense (to me).

To be honest, it still doesn't completely (why do gay men run it and not the girls themselves, so they can make the rules?), but it is what it is!From International Chrysis to Candis Cayne; queens have always made the prettiest TSs imo. In fact, most of the girls in TS porn that you all drool over are former, if not current, queens.

And you're showing your ignorance by talking about who "runs" things, and who "makes the rules".

EXCUSE ME.

I simply was repeating what was said earlier by someone else in the thread:






Explain it, because that IS my question.

If you're going to go off and do a show as a "female impersonator" why don't you look 1000% "fish" (as they say) and not like someone who screams "I used to be a man" because of makeup overkill (and in that specific overwhite way that all Drag Queens do) that no GG on the planet would wear?

I think Kelly summed it up.

Look at the first pic, I'm guessing that's how she normally looks. The second pic is of her doing a show (which imo, she doesn't look bad at all). I have some experience with this because I dated a girl that did shows. Here's how it was explained to me: The people that run drag shows are gay guys. They want to see something outrageous and exaggerated, because that's their way of rebelling against mainstream society. When you're on stage, you have to exaggerate everything to be noticed and seen from a distance, that includes hair and makeup. Since the guys that do the shows aren't into women, they don't want to see women, they want to see overkill. How often do you see natal women walking around like Ms. America? It's a pageant.

I don't completely understand it myself, but there it is.

Ok, THAT explains it. Thank you.

And, on a personal level, i'll be honest and admit that I really think it's really unflattering and not attractive when they do it. I think makeup on most women looks phenomenal when it actually, say, matches their skin tone, isn't overkill, etc. Add to this the fact that the idea of "female impersonation", to me, meant logically that they'd look as much of a GG as possible, not some exaggerated caricature of a woman that everyone knows isn't one, and the whole thing never made sense (to me).

To be honest, it still doesn't completely (why do gay men run it and not the girls themselves, so they can make the rules?), but it is what it is!

The only thing I see being "ignorant" here is you intentionally editing that out of my quote to make it look like I'm being a way that I'm not.

He said it, I'm repeating it and no one questioned it afterwards.

If TomSelis is wrong, bring it up to him, not me.

And, obviously I knew "most of the girls in TS porn that you all drool over are former, if not current, queens" like, say, Danielle Foxxx as the most obvious example of that? How could I have even made this thread without knowing that?

[Nowhere]

Isn't she at a drag show in the second pic? Wouldn't that explain it? From my experience, the only times girls look like that is if they are doing a show. And the explaination that I got for looking like that at a show is a pretty deep one.

Explain it, because that IS my question.

If you're going to go off and do a show as a "female impersonator" why don't you look 1000% "fish" (as they say) and not like someone who screams "I used to be a man" because of makeup overkill (and in that specific overwhite way that all Drag Queens do) that no GG on the planet would wear?
Who gives a fuck? This is the dumbest bullshit I have read yet. We are transexuals a,d some of us are showgirls. Point blank. Erica
and many others like her use being a SHOWGIRL as a job, just like a Vegas show girl. What we do on stage and how we live or REAL lives are 2 totally different things. Now do you think a girl like Erica gives a fuck want you think of her and how she identifys to her family and friends. Females love our make up, its for stage asshole. Nobody goes grocery shopping with that much make-up on. :roll: :roll:

Vanessa, read the later posts. The question I should have explicitly said (and not implied) is "Why is there this tradition for the excessive stage makeup for something that is called "female impersonation" done in a way which no "female" would ever wear?"

I was not questioning something THAT obvious.

And, I do suppose I forgot about the "Vegas Showgirl" thing in light of the fact that those worlds have become more dominated with "Pussycat Doll" / Burlesque and stripper type things in recent days.

That does explain it a bit more...

[TsVanessa69]

Hey simple answer, girls give a showgirl look when they are about to do a show!
Now I am doing a show, tomorrow, here in Chicago at Hamburger Marys on Clark and Balmoral with 4 other ts. So chicago guys can see stage make-up at its best!!! Showtime is 10:15pm. Drink specials too!

[qeuqheeg222]

kabuki and the racoon look are necessary to the distance between the performer and the audience.amplification.

[FREEFALLL666]

Probably gonna cause some controversy, but if you are transitioning and do consider yourself a "girl" then by doing drag performances you only harm yours and other girls fight to be seen as girls.

Drag:- Guy PRETENDING to be a woman.
If you do consider yourself a girl then that only insults yourself and others like you by appearing to be a DragQueen..

[WendyWilliams]

Many of the ladies in the business today started out or still do "drag" its a form of expression/entertainment:

Allanah Starr formelly Damieen Devine *sp* Top 5 finalist at Miss Eoy, Top 5 at Miss Continental!

Kourtney a.k.a Kourtney Van Whales 1st Runner Up Miss Gay Usofa, 2nd Runner up Miss. Continetal

Ive made top 12 at Miss Gay Usofa twice, 2nd Runner up to Miss Florida FFI, 2nd Runner up Miss Renaissance


Those are just the big 4 National Pageants but alot of escorts and porn girls have won local pageants, etcc............Its very common in our community and a way to escape the sex industry.

[TsVanessa69]

Probably gonna cause some controversy, but if you are transitioning and do consider yourself a "girl" then by doing drag performances you only harm yours and other girls fight to be seen as girls.

Drag:- Guy PRETENDING to be a woman.
If you do consider yourself a girl then that only insults yourself and others like you by appearing to be a DragQueen..
Its a mother fucking job!!!!!!!! It pays bills. You motherfuckers are never happy, you don't want a girl who escorts, now you don't want a showgirl. Nothing ever pleases some fools. How the fuck does traveling the country, performing in top gay and straight night spots harm us?? It actually exposes us to a wider audience. Daym there are some stupid ass motherfuckers on this site. As a SHOWGIRL, as we are not DRAGQUEENS, I have been on many television programs, a radio show and in several newspapers sharing my life expierences to people to educate them and help them to better understand our situation. I LOVE being a SHOWGIRL, my fans love it and the guys I date are thrilled to see me on a stage mesmerizing people with my looks and my creative costumes. I love it so much I spend thousands of dollars on my Elaborate costumes which are eye catching and sexy at the same time. Its an art, and I hate peoples ignorance to what I and Erica Andrews and so many of my sisters do.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Most transsexuls paint like a stripper on stage, unless we are doing a pageant. I know many strippers that wear big fake eyelashes, contour their faces, etc so people WAY in the back can see them and the BRIGHT SPOTLIGHT DON'T WASH OUT THEIR FEATURES! HMMMM THEY EVEN DO THAT ON BROADWAY and guess what even Jessica Simpson, Britney Spears, Beyonce, and so many more women PAINT LIKE THIS when at a Concert or even on a Bright Lighted Talk Show! It's not "Natural" So shut the fuck up about the stage make up already! IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT IN PERSON!!! It just photographs that way! And fashion shows, I've done modeling in the past for Artec Textureline at hairshows and they painted my face and countoured it TEN TIMES Darker than I ever would at a stage show. So can we please shut up about "stage make up" Cause models, celebrities, broadway actresses ALL PAINT THIS WAY. Thats why it's called "STAGE" make up....DUMB ASSES.

Secondly it's called ENTERTAINING. No, I would not dance around in stage make up and a wig and pastees on my nipples going down the street in everyday life. No I would not cuss at people, tell gross jokes, and tease a straight man walking down the street in my everyday life to get a laugh. No, I would not stick my face in some lesbians face to get a dollar in my everyday life. DO YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS????????? IT'S A 'STAGE ACT' TO ENTERTAIN PEOPLE AND GET MONEY! I do shows, because I took 12 years of dance class and was in theater through out most of my school life, so it's my OUTLET for my artistic training. SO NO I DON'T FEEL I'M EXPLOITING MY WOMANHOOD AT ALL, if anything I'm using comedy to get people to OPEN THEIR MIND to GENDER! SO pleast stop with your retarded ASSUMPTION! My everyday life has nothing to do with my "STAGE LIFE'

[Tara Emory]

My one and only experience with the pageant scene was back in November 2001 when I somehow got convined to enter a small one in Boston.

I was the only contestant to show up to the dressing room area as a girl, all the others came as boys and then got super glammed up. I got accused of actually being a real girl, as one of the other queens was like "You're a real girl- you can't enter this!".

There were like 3 things we had to do, a lip synch number, an evening gown competition, and some sort of Q & A. Whereas the other girls did these sorta dance-y lip synch numbers (one of them had these three buff back up dancers), I did a strip tease to Bjork's "It's Oh So Quiet"- which is about as left-field as you could possibly get.

I pretty much bombed on the Q&A and then my evening gown was something very simple and not-glittery that I bought at Filenes. Everyone else had these horrible glittery things that were supposed to be Chanel or something.. They seemed really out of style to me, but whatever.

I was about as square, straight girl and looked as "Audrey Hepburn" as one could get, which was obviously not what they were looking for, so wasn't even close to winning. Also, my costume for the lip synch number fell apart right before I went out on stage. Thus ends my one and only experience with the pageant scene...

I have a video of it somewhere. It's embarassing, but I've gotten over that. Hmm, maybe I'll put it up on youtube..

-Tara

[TsVanessa69]

My one and only experience with the pageant scene was back in November 2001 when I somehow got convined to enter a small one in Boston.

I was the only contestant to show up to the dressing room area as a girl, all the others came as boys and then got super glammed up. I got accused of actually being a real girl, as one of the other queens was like "You're a real girl- you can't enter this!".

There were like 3 things we had to do, a lip synch number, an evening gown competition, and some sort of Q & A. Whereas the other girls did these sorta dance-y lip synch numbers (one of them had these three buff back up dancers), I did a strip tease to Bjork's "It's Oh So Quiet"- which is about as left-field as you could possibly get.

I pretty much bombed on the Q&A and then my evening gown was something very simple and not-glittery that I bought at Filenes. Everyone else had these horrible glittery things that were supposed to be Chanel or something.. They seemed really out of style to me, but whatever.

I was about as square, straight girl and looked as "Audrey Hepburn" as one could get, which was obviously not what they were looking for, so wasn't even close to winning. Also, my costume for the lip synch number fell apart right before I went out on stage. Thus ends my one and only experience with the pageant scene...

I have a video of it somewhere. It's embarassing, but I've gotten over that. Hmm, maybe I'll put it up on youtube..

-Tara
I have always loved your costumes Tara , they are so creative, yet erotic at the same time.

[Tara Emory]

I have always loved your costumes Tara , they are so creative, yet erotic at the same time.

Thank you Vanessa! But I think it's pretty easy to see that most my work doesn't really fall into what people usually associate with the whole Drag Queen/pageant scene.. Showgirl?, maybe. Actually, I'd love to be a Vegas Showgirl!

-Tara

[felix volkbein]

I did a strip tease to Bjork's "It's Oh So Quiet"

How very cool! I'll bet Matthew Barney dug it.

[Tara Emory]

I did a strip tease to Bjork's "It's Oh So Quiet"

How very cool! I'll bet Matthew Barney dug it.

Yay! I just succesfully got a video uploaded to youtube!

Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKhVOVJh0zI

[Trogdor]

I did a strip tease to Bjork's "It's Oh So Quiet"

How very cool! I'll bet Matthew Barney dug it.

Yay! I just succesfully got a video uploaded to youtube!

Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKhVOVJh0zI

cute, Tara. :o :mrgreen:

I think this would have made a nice Easter egg for one of your DVD's :wink:

[Tara Emory]

I did a strip tease to Bjork's "It's Oh So Quiet"

How very cool! I'll bet Matthew Barney dug it.

Yay! I just succesfully got a video uploaded to youtube!

Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKhVOVJh0zI

cute, Tara. :o :mrgreen:

I think this would have made a nice Easter egg for one of your DVD's :wink:

Yes it would have.. The only reason I wouldn't is that the song is copyrighted, and you can't just put something like that on a DVD and sell it.. Even worse so that it's on a "porn" DVD.

And also I sorta disavowed the performance. It's not me at my best, but since it's like 6 years ago I don't care any more.. Actually I thought I had taped over it/destroyed the tapes but I hadn't.

I'm also making some PG-13 teaser trailers for my DVDs for youtube- classifying them sorta with the burlesque stuff so maybe they don't realize they're ads for porn DVDs.

I got 2 more up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMF-P_d17Kk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPh7HGPpZUQ

This is all part of a huge video expansion marketing blitz that includes expanding my videos on my website (of which people have said it was lacking)

-Tara

[Trogdor]

I did a strip tease to Bjork's "It's Oh So Quiet"

How very cool! I'll bet Matthew Barney dug it.

Yay! I just succesfully got a video uploaded to youtube!

Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKhVOVJh0zI

cute, Tara. :o :mrgreen:

I think this would have made a nice Easter egg for one of your DVD's :wink:

Yes it would have.. The only reason I wouldn't is that the song is copyrighted, and you can't just put something like that on a DVD and sell it.. Even worse so that it's on a "porn" DVD.

And also I sorta disavowed the performance. It's not me at my best, but since it's like 6 years ago I don't care any more.. Actually I thought I had taped over it/destroyed the tapes but I hadn't.

I'm also making some PG-13 teaser trailers for my DVDs for youtube- classifying them sorta with the burlesque stuff so maybe they don't realize they're ads for porn DVDs.

I got 2 more up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMF-P_d17Kk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPh7HGPpZUQ

This is all part of a huge video expansion marketing blitz that includes expanding my videos on my website (of which people have said it was lacking)

-Tara

I gotta put aside some cash for your 3 other DVD's, since I bought #3 from you last year, which I enjoyed ( you made for a very hot Egyption Queen :o ) ....and thanks for autographing it, Tara! :mrgreen:

I liked your birthday cake bit in #4 there, you look more stunning than usual in that one, and with my birthday coming up in less than a month, it would be awesome seeing you jumping out of my cake. :wink:
Though I'd probably jump in it :wink:

Hope your weekend goes well, Tara. :D

[TsVanessa69]

Hey simple answer, girls give a showgirl look when they are about to do a show!
Now I am doing a show, tomorrow, here in Chicago at Hamburger Marys on Clark and Balmoral with 4 other ts. So chicago guys can see stage make-up at its best!!! Showtime is 10:15pm. Drink specials too!
The show was fun, but we had MORE fun afterwards!!

[Trogdor]

Hey simple answer, girls give a showgirl look when they are about to do a show!
Now I am doing a show, tomorrow, here in Chicago at Hamburger Marys on Clark and Balmoral with 4 other ts. So chicago guys can see stage make-up at its best!!! Showtime is 10:15pm. Drink specials too!
The show was fun, but we had MORE fun afterwards!!

You look cute in blue :wink:

[Tara Emory]

I gotta put aside some cash for your 3 other DVD's, since I bought #3 from you last year, which I enjoyed ( you made for a very hot Egyption Queen :o ) ....and thanks for autographing it, Tara! :mrgreen:

I liked your birthday cake bit in #4 there, you look more stunning than usual in that one, and with my birthday coming up in less than a month, it would be awesome seeing you jumping out of my cake. :wink:
Though I'd probably jump in it :wink:

Hope your weekend goes well, Tara. :D


One shoot that I'm going to do this year is a sort of "Magician's assistant", you know, the girl who's on the wheel while knives are thrown at her, sawed in half.. that kind of stuff..[/i]

[Felicia Katt]

I gotta put aside some cash for your 3 other DVD's, since I bought #3 from you last year, which I enjoyed ( you made for a very hot Egyption Queen :o ) ....and thanks for autographing it, Tara! :mrgreen:

I liked your birthday cake bit in #4 there, you look more stunning than usual in that one, and with my birthday coming up in less than a month, it would be awesome seeing you jumping out of my cake. :wink:
Though I'd probably jump in it :wink:

Hope your weekend goes well, Tara. :D


One shoot that I'm going to do this year is a sort of "Magician's assistant", you know, the girl who's on the wheel while knives are thrown at her, sawed in half.. that kind of stuff..[/i]

why not do a sword swallower? :)

meow

FK

[Trogdor]

I gotta put aside some cash for your 3 other DVD's, since I bought #3 from you last year, which I enjoyed ( you made for a very hot Egyption Queen :o ) ....and thanks for autographing it, Tara! :mrgreen:

I liked your birthday cake bit in #4 there, you look more stunning than usual in that one, and with my birthday coming up in less than a month, it would be awesome seeing you jumping out of my cake. :wink:
Though I'd probably jump in it :wink:

Hope your weekend goes well, Tara. :D


One shoot that I'm going to do this year is a sort of "Magician's assistant", you know, the girl who's on the wheel while knives are thrown at her, sawed in half.. that kind of stuff..[/i]


Oh, put that on DVD. :D

That could outdo Vicki's bondage rack scene she did a couple of years back.

How's the sci-fi one coming along?

[RangeHova]

Drag is a form of art. It is not about trying to look like some woman off the street. It is about the glitz and the glamour. I don't think seeing a bunch of girls coming out on stage looking like everyday women would be all that entertaining to that many people.

To say that they harm other girls is just not true. Drag shows, balls and pageantry have been some of the best support systems for girls. It is common for many girls that the were first exposed to the ideal of being a TS by seeing a showgirl or drag show. Drag is one of the biggest motivators to get a whole lot of girls to become beautiful and passable. Girls like Eric Andrews inspire many would be boys to break out and to become the beautiful women they are inside.

If anything porn boards like HA harm the girls more than drag.

I think this poster has made it plain that he just doesn'l like girls that do drag or the look and is trying to rationalize those feelings. It is fine to have your preferences as to what you like and don't like but don't put the girls down just because you don't like a certain look.

SIDENOTE: For the record, both of those pictures of Eric are of her dressed for show. In everday life she does not wear that much makeup.

SIDENOTE: What years did Allanah compete in those pageants?

SIDENOTE: I have seen Reina perform and she is VERY good, the same goes for Wendy Williams. Top notch talents.[/u]

[fab]

Because they look great

[TsVanessa69]

Drag is a form of art. It is not about trying to look like some woman off the street. It is about the glitz and the glamour. I don't think seeing a bunch of girls coming out on stage looking like everyday women would be all that entertaining to that many people.

To say that they harm other girls is just not true. Drag shows, balls and pageantry have been some of the best support systems for girls. It is common for many girls that the were first exposed to the ideal of being a TS by seeing a showgirl or drag show. Drag is one of the biggest motivators to get a whole lot of girls to become beautiful and passable. Girls like Eric Andrews inspire many would be boys to break out and to become the beautiful women they are inside.

If anything porn boards like HA harm the girls more than drag.

I think this poster has made it plain that he just doesn'l like girls that do drag or the look and is trying to rationalize those feelings. It is fine to have your preferences as to what you like and don't like but don't put the girls down just because you don't like a certain look.

SIDENOTE: For the record, both of those pictures of Eric are of her dressed for show. In everday life she does not wear that much makeup.

SIDENOTE: What years did Allanah compete in those pageants?

SIDENOTE: I have seen Reina perform and she is VERY good, the same goes for Wendy Williams. Top notch talents.[/u]
Thanks for the love and support. I'm back at Hamburger Mary's tonite for another show. I love doing drag. It boosts confidence and is safer than escorting. It also helps me battle my depression. After I finished working on my body and electrolocys, I invested my money in a very large wardrobe of custom made clothes, jewelry and shoes. I feel like stage is where I was meant to be. I enjoy entertaining people, taking them out of a sad and dreary problem filled world and into a fantasy world of glitz and glamour. I may leave the escort business soon, by like Josephine Baker and a few others, my fake eyelashes, rhinestones and exotic looks will be around till the end!

[qt4u]

Who cares how much make up they wear. They look AMAZING! Some of the girls look great with makeup and some look just as good without makeup. Personally I like the heavy makeup look. As long as they look beautiful it doesn't matter to me how they achieve that goal. Stay sexy ladies! Love you all!
QT

[Floyd R]

Vanessa, why are you depressed?



Drag is a form of art. It is not about trying to look like some woman off the street. It is about the glitz and the glamour. I don't think seeing a bunch of girls coming out on stage looking like everyday women would be all that entertaining to that many people.

To say that they harm other girls is just not true. Drag shows, balls and pageantry have been some of the best support systems for girls. It is common for many girls that the were first exposed to the ideal of being a TS by seeing a showgirl or drag show. Drag is one of the biggest motivators to get a whole lot of girls to become beautiful and passable. Girls like Eric Andrews inspire many would be boys to break out and to become the beautiful women they are inside.

If anything porn boards like HA harm the girls more than drag.

I think this poster has made it plain that he just doesn'l like girls that do drag or the look and is trying to rationalize those feelings. It is fine to have your preferences as to what you like and don't like but don't put the girls down just because you don't like a certain look.

SIDENOTE: For the record, both of those pictures of Eric are of her dressed for show. In everday life she does not wear that much makeup.

SIDENOTE: What years did Allanah compete in those pageants?

SIDENOTE: I have seen Reina perform and she is VERY good, the same goes for Wendy Williams. Top notch talents.[/u]
Thanks for the love and support. I'm back at Hamburger Mary's tonite for another show. I love doing drag. It boosts confidence and is safer than escorting. It also helps me battle my depression. After I finished working on my body and electrolocys, I invested my money in a very large wardrobe of custom made clothes, jewelry and shoes. I feel like stage is where I was meant to be. I enjoy entertaining people, taking them out of a sad and dreary problem filled world and into a fantasy world of glitz and glamour. I may leave the escort business soon, by like Josephine Baker and a few others, my fake eyelashes, rhinestones and exotic looks will be around till the end!

[CuriousD]

Because they look great

Don't they just?

[TsVanessa69]

Vanessa, why are you depressed?



Drag is a form of art. It is not about trying to look like some woman off the street. It is about the glitz and the glamour. I don't think seeing a bunch of girls coming out on stage looking like everyday women would be all that entertaining to that many people.

To say that they harm other girls is just not true. Drag shows, balls and pageantry have been some of the best support systems for girls. It is common for many girls that the were first exposed to the ideal of being a TS by seeing a showgirl or drag show. Drag is one of the biggest motivators to get a whole lot of girls to become beautiful and passable. Girls like Eric Andrews inspire many would be boys to break out and to become the beautiful women they are inside.

If anything porn boards like HA harm the girls more than drag.

I think this poster has made it plain that he just doesn'l like girls that do drag or the look and is trying to rationalize those feelings. It is fine to have your preferences as to what you like and don't like but don't put the girls down just because you don't like a certain look.

SIDENOTE: For the record, both of those pictures of Eric are of her dressed for show. In everday life she does not wear that much makeup.

SIDENOTE: What years did Allanah compete in those pageants?

SIDENOTE: I have seen Reina perform and she is VERY good, the same goes for Wendy Williams. Top notch talents.[/u]
Thanks for the love and support. I'm back at Hamburger Mary's tonite for another show. I love doing drag. It boosts confidence and is safer than escorting. It also helps me battle my depression. After I finished working on my body and electrolocys, I invested my money in a very large wardrobe of custom made clothes, jewelry and shoes. I feel like stage is where I was meant to be. I enjoy entertaining people, taking them out of a sad and dreary problem filled world and into a fantasy world of glitz and glamour. I may leave the escort business soon, by like Josephine Baker and a few others, my fake eyelashes, rhinestones and exotic looks will be around till the end!
A lot of transsexuals suffer depression. Just a topic nobody chooses to discuss

[TsVanessa69]

i prefer a more natural look. The showgirl look is so passe'
Once again, the show girl look is for STAGE! For shows. We are not stupid enough to wear that much make up in everyday life, only when we are going to perform in a club, SHOW. Pay attention :roll:

[TsVanessa69]

From the beach to the show!

[Floyd R]

I know what it is like to suffer from depression. I never imagined you being someone that suffers from depression because you seem to have a very outgoing and bubbly personality. Try to think of happy thoughts when you get depressed. When I'm depressed I remind myself that the depression is going to pass soon or later.



Vanessa, why are you depressed?



Drag is a form of art. It is not about trying to look like some woman off the street. It is about the glitz and the glamour. I don't think seeing a bunch of girls coming out on stage looking like everyday women would be all that entertaining to that many people.

To say that they harm other girls is just not true. Drag shows, balls and pageantry have been some of the best support systems for girls. It is common for many girls that the were first exposed to the ideal of being a TS by seeing a showgirl or drag show. Drag is one of the biggest motivators to get a whole lot of girls to become beautiful and passable. Girls like Eric Andrews inspire many would be boys to break out and to become the beautiful women they are inside.

If anything porn boards like HA harm the girls more than drag.

I think this poster has made it plain that he just doesn'l like girls that do drag or the look and is trying to rationalize those feelings. It is fine to have your preferences as to what you like and don't like but don't put the girls down just because you don't like a certain look.

SIDENOTE: For the record, both of those pictures of Eric are of her dressed for show. In everday life she does not wear that much makeup.

SIDENOTE: What years did Allanah compete in those pageants?

SIDENOTE: I have seen Reina perform and she is VERY good, the same goes for Wendy Williams. Top notch talents.[/u]
Thanks for the love and support. I'm back at Hamburger Mary's tonite for another show. I love doing drag. It boosts confidence and is safer than escorting. It also helps me battle my depression. After I finished working on my body and electrolocys, I invested my money in a very large wardrobe of custom made clothes, jewelry and shoes. I feel like stage is where I was meant to be. I enjoy entertaining people, taking them out of a sad and dreary problem filled world and into a fantasy world of glitz and glamour. I may leave the escort business soon, by like Josephine Baker and a few others, my fake eyelashes, rhinestones and exotic looks will be around till the end!
A lot of transsexuals suffer depression. Just a topic nobody chooses to discuss

[Nowhere]

Drag is a form of art. It is not about trying to look like some woman off the street. It is about the glitz and the glamour. I don't think seeing a bunch of girls coming out on stage looking like everyday women would be all that entertaining to that many people.

To say that they harm other girls is just not true. Drag shows, balls and pageantry have been some of the best support systems for girls. It is common for many girls that the were first exposed to the ideal of being a TS by seeing a showgirl or drag show. Drag is one of the biggest motivators to get a whole lot of girls to become beautiful and passable. Girls like Eric Andrews inspire many would be boys to break out and to become the beautiful women they are inside.

If anything porn boards like HA harm the girls more than drag.

I think this poster has made it plain that he just doesn'l like girls that do drag or the look and is trying to rationalize those feelings. It is fine to have your preferences as to what you like and don't like but don't put the girls down just because you don't like a certain look.

SIDENOTE: For the record, both of those pictures of Eric are of her dressed for show. In everday life she does not wear that much makeup.

SIDENOTE: What years did Allanah compete in those pageants?

SIDENOTE: I have seen Reina perform and she is VERY good, the same goes for Wendy Williams. Top notch talents.[/u]

While it's true, I don't like that look so much, the question was honest confusion (no ha ha jokes there). The key thing that dawned on me was when Vanessa made this point on it being about a "Vegas Showgirl" look, as I said in my last post.

At that point it reminded me of the old Pet Shop Boys Video for "What have I done to deserve this?" which came out in 1985 or so, which was the last time I've been exposed to that older tradition, and it FINALLY made sense:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-hJz7GJrfc

You see, Vegas itself has sort of evolved into a different beast, full of more extremes, of Cirque de Soleil dancers, Burlesque showgirls as dealers, strippers doing their thing, the AVN Convention being placed there and Playboy having it's own club. That whole "showgirl" thing is not remotely in the spotlight anymore and I had completely forgotten it even existed (my bad).

Now, I'm not knocking what they do (since it's great someone keeps up the tradition - it's very classy, totally Sinatra-era), and they've just taken that thing to a further extreme, with the makeup, so it does add up to me now.

Do you see where I'm coming from here?

And, I'm quite sure virtually no kid here who is 21 will have a clue about the "Vegas Showgirl" look except having a wild guess that it's the same as the "Pussycat Dolls" (obviously completely off), so don't expect me to be the last person wondering this question, at one time or another (even though I do get it now).

Thanks everyone for answering my question here!

[blacktgirls]

seems that this line comes up a lot. can you tell if a ts is a girl or not? my answer is most times yes but there are some girls you can't tell if there gg or ts. this is most common in the asians and latinas. with the latinas it's partly do to the saying that with latina girls you can't tell if they're 14 or 40. but also sometimes TSs give off a negative vibe in the clubs like they don't smile or relax which makes them stand out maybe this is out fear of prejudice. there have been times when i'm not sure if a girl is ts or gg. and there are passable black girls on this board. :soapbox i love these casual pictures

[blacktgirls]

i luv these pis :D

[RangeHova]

I have to ask what would be the show in seeing a bunch of girls looking like they just walked off the street? That would not be much of a show.

The fact is that what these girls do on stage has little if anything to do with what guys find attractive. The guys that date the girls represent a tiny fraction of the people that attend these shows. Most of the people that attend and give financial support to these shows are people that want to see drag, they want to see glamour, they want to see all of the extras that you don't see in everyday life.

It is a show. It is a production. Its about the 'wow factor'. Where would a wow factor come to play if they just looked like everyday girls?

You have to bring some art to the stage. Looking like just any old regular girl will not get a girl booked, tipped or cheered for. The top most respected girls in the drag game all are serious painters. People are paying them to see that. You can see regular natural looking girls in the grocery store or at the fast food joint. The stage is an escape. The girls that don't paint aren't taken all that serious by those that support drag nor by their counterparts.

It has nothing to do with what a guy finds attractive. Very few girls are being the person that they are off stage when they perform. The person on that stage rarely resembles the person who they are the rest of the week. They don't take the stage to attract guys. Most guys who only get off on what a girl looks like on stage is very often disappointed because he got caught up in some fantasy.

I just see the hypocrisy in a guy on a porn board telling a girl that she is harming TS women by doing shows. I'm sure more girls feel harmed by the hypersexual stereotypes that so many people have of TS women due to the prominence of TS related porn and all of the focusing and value placed on their genitals as if that is all they are good for is being a girl with this magical and mysterious dick.